Scumbag Frogs. First!

If only there had been a way to defeat Hitler yet leave him in charge of Frogistan.

France is out of control. Reminds me of the old saying, "what goes around, comes around." France will be getting theirs and so will several others...(Germany & Russia) when the dust settles.

Nope, not frogs. Its the dang Islamofascists they keep letting into their sorry-a$$ country. But screw the frogs too, anyway. Just because.

First it pissed me off, then I almost fell out of the chair laughing when I saw that these asshats call the Brits "rosbifs" (roast beefs?). Can the Americans be called "hot dogs", or "Big Macs"? Although calling us "Yankees" is just fine with me.

Keep up the great work, Charles.

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I feel a little better now

Anyone wanna bet that Islamonazis were responsible for this outrage? I love the way they refer to France as "their" soil. What a farce. La France is reaping what she has sown.

Sivula #4: would that it were true. But no, it's not just the islamofascist immigrants. One in three French want Iraq to win the war, according to a Le Monde poll:

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

I really, really wanted to avoid the whole France-bashing thing. There were so many things I like about the country. But as a nation, they seem to be going insane.

Here is a shot of the front page of The Times. Sorry, can't find a web-based photo.

War memorial desecrated.

One in three French wants Saddam to win - Report

It was probably Islamaloonies, but the French are to blame for getting into bed with them and coddling and supporting them.

Scum.

Islamofascists, idiots, unspeakable scum.....
OT A RESCUE!! ONE POW FOUND!!!! This is wonderful news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

opps. Should read the entire site before I unload. I haven't been reading much since the war started....sorry

scrap the UN, NATO- create alignment of democratic states /charter members US, British, Aussies/ and totally BLANK OUT these moral equivelence morons.. You have to be a democratic state able to DEFEND YOURSELF against agressors to belong. Screw you, France, and all like you.

Jean-Pierre Raffarin, the Prime Minister, sought to cool the hostility towards the US — and to a lesser extent Britain — by cautioning against “all forms of anti-Americanism”. The French must not be confused about the identity of the enemy, he said. “The Americans are not the enemy; just because we are against this war, it does not mean that we want the victory of dictatorship over democracy.”

Oh good, I feel soooooooo much better now....NOT!

Maybe this time we don't rescue the frogs from themselves. In fact, we leave France an Arab ghetto under shariah law, and don't let a single Frenchperson, unless they are Jewish, emigrate.

That is, after Donna V. and I liberate the important artwork at the Louvre. It's not to blame for what France has become. I won't even stoop to liberate their fashions, perfume, wine or cheese. Those have lost all their cachet. And the Italians do much better leather and textiles, anyway.

We'd get the same thanks, regardless.

Re #5:

"When mighty roast beef was the Englishman's food
It ennobl'd our veins and enriched our blood
Our soldiers were brave and our courtiers were good
Oh! The roast beef of Old England, and Old English roast beef.

But since we have learned from all vapouring France
To eat their ragouts, as well as to dance.
We are fed up with nothing but vain complaisance
Oh! The roast beef of Old England, and Old English roast beef."

Several legislators think it would be a good idea to move the WWII cemeteries to the US. Sounds good to me if the families are up for it.

[Link: www.upi.com...]

It must have been just the Islamonazis? Yes, it was just the SS. All we did was tell them which houses the Jews were hiding in.

I'm curious how the French press is treating this. Outrage? Yawn? Serves 'em right?

Not to get too preachy here, but a nation has to have both a sense of morality and a conscience, if only for its own good. France has abandoned hers to a deep confusion, malaise and moral equivalence.

Chaos and decay will follow if this isn't halted. And we've seen how states with no morality try to restore order. They become brutal police states.

The Swastika was an apt symbol, since it represents what the French people fought for and what they still aspire to.

Hmmm...

Palestinians --- a loud and riot-prone people, defeated repeatedly in war, allies of Saddam, noted for poor personal hygiene, insane hatred of jews, and pretensions of moral superiority.

The French --- a loud and riot-prone people, defeated repeatedly in war, allies of Saddam, noted for poor personal hygiene, insane hatred of jews, and pretensions of moral superiority.

American Peacetwits --- a loud and riot-prone people, defeated repeatedly by the police, allies of Saddam, noted for poor personal hygiene, insane hatred of jews, and pretensions of moral superiority.

Anyone see a pattern?

Completely OT, but:
Garofalo: "Stupid People" Watch Fox & Talk Radio Hosts Lie

When co-panelist Michael Graham, a radio talk show host, recalled seeing a sign at an anti-war march proclaiming, “We Support Our Troops...When They Shoot Their Officers,” Garofalo doubted it ever existed and flew into a rage about how “that's what all you right-wing radio hosts do. You make shit up all the time.”

I guess she missed the thread on LGF on this sign.

Bob: I really enjoy your posts.

Here's a photo. What vile creatures they are, really.

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

This just in from Pavefrance.com:

Readers of this week's Economist got some comic relief in the "The world this week" section:

Belgium suggested the creation of a "hard core" of European Union countries, starting with itself, France and Germany, to form a defence club distinct from NATO
Leaders of nations with spines were too busy gasping for breath between laughs at the irony of Belgium using the term "hard core". In other news, paving plans have been expanded to reach Brussels.

France Wins Decisive Military Victory
Happy April Fools Day, everyone:)

We need to build a new Maginot Line around France.

This one will detect the non-use of deodorant, smarmy attitudes, rabid adherence to fatwas and hairy female armpits and not let the offending cross the line.

Amy;

I was wondering the same thing.

Mommydoc;

Right on.

#18 Model4

I'm curious how the French press is treating this. Outrage? Yawn? Serves 'em right?

Silence. There's nothing about it on the Figaro or the Monde website. Same thing for Libération.

How about this follow-up:

One in three French wants Saddam to win

By Charles Bremner and Alan Hamilton

ILL-FEELING between Britain and France over the invasion of Iraq has plumbed new depths with the desecration of that most sacred of memorials, a war cemetery.
The defilement of Commonwealth war graves in northern France coincided with a poll for The Times which found that 54 per cent of Britons no longer regarded France as a close ally because of its opposition to the war.

Relations will be further rent by a second poll, in Le Monde, showing that only a third of the French felt that they were on the same side as the Americans and British, and that another third desired outright Iraqi victory over “les anglo-saxons”.

more:

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Somebody in another thread wondered what it would be like if DU ran the country. I give you, France.

"One in three French backs Saddam"

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Relations will be further rent by a second poll, in Le Monde, showing that only a third of the French felt that they were on the same side as the Americans and British, and that another third desired outright Iraqi victory over “les anglo-saxons”.

I'm so sorry I ever wasted my time studying French as a 3rd language, what a waste of time. I should have stopped when I found out they don't have real words for the numbers 70,80, and 90. Any culture that can't figure that out is not worth bothering with.

I saw a photo of the vandalism at Den Beste's site. The ignorant little bastards even drew their swastika bass ackwards. The French, I think, know their swastikas as good as anyone, so maybe it was some of their Algerian guests.

Denbeste has a great post about this very topic ;

[Link: denbeste.nu...]

Y'all are anti-Jeffersonian, anti-Jacksonian, anti-American.

This is a disgrace.

It made me wonder about two things:

1) Maybe we should dig up our dead and give them a proper place for a final rest (ie. somewhere not France), and

2) When they find out who's responsible, are they just gonna give them the legion de honneur, or are they going to give them a parade down the Champs-Elysee, too?

I bet they're gonna get the parade......

#33 troll:

Would that be W. Jefferson Clinton and Jesse Jackson? You might be right about that. But anti-American? You must not be paying attention.

Please don't feed the trolls.

#33:

Okay, you're a troll.

Now go away.

fucking bastard french this is typical of those backward cowards you want to know why i know and how everyone else can tell that america isn't this warmongering rouge nation that the leftists think it is, its because france hasn't surrenderd to you yet. if america was intent on setting up an empire france would be the first to submit because they are cowards and would rather live as cowards on their knees and deface memorials built to honor great men who are worth a 1000 french men each

Instead of taking our war heros back here, why don't we kick the Frogs off our cemetaries. The fallen deserve it more than the cowards. One third of the French root for Sodom, because 1/3 of Al-Frankreich are stoneage, bark-at-the-moon, Islamorons. The other 2/3 oppose the war because they fear the other 1/3. Why surrender when you can avoid fighting in the 1st place? Now they only have to get on their knees 5 times a day, and they can wrap their white flags around their heads!

I have the sad experience watching America killed by you f**ckers.

Re: #16

LOL! Where is that quote from? Very cool. Here's one:

The French, indeed, they are a strange race
They fight with their feet
And f*** with their face

Nothing to do with roast beef, but it'll do for now.

Having rosbif for dinner,

#40

In english please so we can understand your retarded comments.

Re: #40, 42

No, please, don't even try to write in English. I'd rather not know what kinda crap you're spewing, thank you very much.

This should make you feel better:

Chirac's bribery by Oil companis

On one side was a swastika and the words "death to the Yankees".

Jeebus.. Jeter had his shoulder dislocated last night, now this?

Can we give the Yankees a break please? They are G-d's team you know!

I have the sad experience watching America killed by you f**ckers.

Once again, I am awed, simply awed, by the sublime eloquence and intellectual profundity of leftist self-expression.

Thank you, #39: I would NEVER want to give these scum the satisfaction of removing our most permanent occupying presence from their country. That is a plot of France that is forever America, to paraphrase Rupert Brooke.

If only Henry V had lived longer...

#27 Caton: Thanks. Get out, please.

#29 Jheka: Nicely done!

Gonna be fun seeing France, Germany and Belgium form a "hard-core" military. They're already on the verge of recession, and their socialists are just gonna love welfare money being funneled into the war machine. After it's built and the money's spent, we should let them know they'll never get to use it unless they get our express permission. No more colonialism for you on the Cote de Ivory.

And if war does come to France in the next 20 years or so, I say let it burn. Let it shatter to pieces before we come and save them. Might be more greatful this time around.

#44 Jono: Nice link! Thanks.

Today's Headlines; Real or April Fool's? You decide

*John Pilger's Love Sonnet to America;'GeorgeBush: World's Greatest Statesman Ever' a flowery ode in praise of the president

*Robert Fisk Calls Saddam" the greatest most grotesquely evil threat humanity has ever faced"

*Saddam appeals to Israel for political asylum

*Jacques Chirac resigns as France's leader say she's tired of poking the US in the eye and plans on relocating to Los Angeles, the "real cultural capital of the world" with plans on doing a blog featuring a daily restaurant review tentatively called the "Epicurean Frog" and to supervise his string of McDonald's franchises he's recently acquired

*Chretien pleads with Congress to absorb Canada into the US

*De Genova enlists into the US Army demanding to serve in Iraq seeking war duty

*The BBC calls America's war against Iraq " a most just and holy crusade to vanquish the forces of darkness and preserve our morally superior way of life"

*the European Union disbands to become part of a new Soviet-style federation with headquarters in Moscow

*Al-Jazeera hails America as "Islam's Savior" as the Arab world pledges to leave the 7th century behind

*Noam Chomsky publishes his latest tome "Why America Is the Greatest Most Righteous Nation Ever"

*Glenn Reynolds is hired by the Daily Mirror to write a column about the print media that won't be available online

*Michael Moore loses weight

*ANSWER sponsors "Why America Must Pulverize Iraq" poetry readings in downtown San Francisco

*Germany petitions Senator Lieberman in their bid to become the 51 ststate of the union saying that his Jewishness would help convince those Jews that control the US Govt to vote in Germany's favor

The profile of a troll:

After exhausting his or her intellectual ammunition (which is usually spent within sixty seconds of a debate) and after seeing his or her foundation of logic crumble like a sand castle, a liberal (troll) will resort to name-calling and making references to historical figures.

Ho hum.....

I'm no expert, but my recollection is that France's actions toward the US have been perfidious since well before the XYZ Afffair.

If memory serves, when Adams served as our ambassador (?) to France, they couldn't stand him and went so far as to demand he be replaced as ambassador by someone more "suitable". They adored the elderly, dithering, womanizing boozer Franklin - who never did any work - and considered Jefferson just dandy because he turned a blind eye to the murderous excesses of the French Revolution. (Jefferson, who considered Adams an uncultivated boor incapable of diplomacy, later realized his error in embracing the French, but I don't think he ever apologized to Adams.) Somebody who's a better student than I can probably elaborate on this.

Anyway, I'm baffled why we have ever considered France an ally. Can someone explain?

I would like to meet these inspiring artists.

They have certainly inspired me. I ain't laughing boys and girls. I am not amused at all.

I can guarantee you, they would make me very creative.

I have a friend who finds it amusing to tie dude's thumb to his opposite toe, douse him in lighter fluid, and strike the match.

I think I can do better.

And Caton, holmes, follow Model4's advise. Get you and your wife (and any kids if you have 'em) out while you can.

It's 1933 in France. If not later.

Etaples Military Cemetery

#15 mommydoc

"That is, after Donna V. and I liberate the important artwork at the Louvre."

Take my cat to guard the prisoners.

OT - For UK readers:

The Sun yesterday served a “notice of treason” at a London magistrates court, calling for [George] Galloway’s prosecution under the 1351 Treason Act, which carries a maximum term of life in jail.

I doubt it will have its day in court, but you've got to admire the Sun for its creative editing*.

(*see also 'Chicken Ship', 'Worm Chiraq', 'Gotcha!' and 'Up Yours Delours')

Garbage. Garbage

That sentence will be seared in my memory forever. Whenever I think of France, I will remember musty, mysterious Notre Dame, the lavender fields under the searing Luberon sun, the kind villagers, the thick hot chocolate on the left bank, and garbage.

Perhaps it's time to put a new monument there.

I understand that Congressman John Culberson is planning on introducing a resolution/bill on the House floor this week which would ban France and Germany from reaping the economic benefits from any reconstruction effort in Iraq after the war is over.

He stated that the measure was narrowly defeated in his committee and that's why he intends to introduce it on the floor.

I encourage ALL of you to write your representatives and express your support.

This graffiti is not surprising given that the most popular book after 9/11 was L'Effroyable Imposture (The Appalling Fraud), this runaway bestseller claimed that 9/11 was actually arranged by the Pentagon, and indeed no plane flew into their building. I can imagine some deranged idiot writing such a thing, but then he had to find a publisher, and then thousands upon thousands of French had to purchase it. It makes me wonder if the French have completely lost their mind. They have been so marginalized as a culture rather than adapt they have assumed the same hysterical posture as the Islamofacists, they cannot believe that there system has failed and another has succeeded and as such are in a constant identity crisis; it as if the entire country is nineteen years old.

yeah belgium as the backbone of a new nato....the fucking army is unionized...."i'm sorry fellow pedophiles, we can't go to war today..we are on strike for more vacation time....jean-claude, pick up that picket sign and follow me..we are going to disrupt whatever economic activity we have left.."

Pretty simple -- and ironic.

Chirac needed a distraction from his country's internal problems, and he decided to "stand up" to the big boys. Basically, the same gameplan as Schroeder over in Germany. (Ironic -- because this is what the left accuses Bush of doing -- despite all of the other obviously good reasons for our policy.)

But he has two problems: first, he will find out that standing up to the big boys when you are holding a pair of twos (politically, diplomatically, economically, militarily, culturally) will only result in his tossing away his best shot at turning around his country's problems; and second, the more extreme parts of his society (namely, the growing extreme Muslim parts) are going to be emboldened to do crap like this.

This stuff is only going to get more and more frequent, unless the French electorate realizes the danger they are in and votes for a different path. Unfortunately, the polls referenced above indicate that the French are quite happy to go over the falls with Chirac.

Fine with me.

(My new favorite bumper sticker, seen on a car at my office building: "Texas -- Bigger Than France")

Too bad we don't build a new Statue of Liberty, then send theirs back to France with a white flag where the torch is and a copy of Mein Kampf in her other hand.

FRANCE--USED TO BE GOOD AT EATING PUSSY--NOW GOOD AT EATING SHIT!!

#60 Right Brain: You may be onto something. After all, France has only been a sovereign country for less than 60 years. I'm sure our influence and longevity could be daunting to the fledgling democracy.

This photo of the defaced monument to British war dead made me mad mad mad. Comment #54 by T. Jefferson made me cry cry cry. Comment by #55 made me laugh laugh laugh...ain't life wonderful? Knowing that the French HAVE to live with themselves and wondering HOW they can live with themselves is enough to perplex me forever. Knowing that I don't have to live WITH them...priceless! I guess Americans and Brits won't be so quick to save their sorry French frog legs in the future....what are they to do? Call 9/11?

Well, we all know what happens to frogs on the road at night. Looks as though they're gonna be in the headlights again, from the internal islamofacist ghettos this time.

I have to agree with Ginny...

[Link: www.upi.com...]

#66 Bette,

what are they to do? Call 9/11?

Not anymore

#67 - Steve

The article in your link quotes a spokesfrog of the French Embassy as saying "It is really unfortunate that some in this country know so little about France and the feelings of the French people."

Yeah, like the fact that 66% of them are not on our side?

I think we understand quite a bit about the feelings of the French people.

Frog legs for dinner anyone??

#56 Dog

Wow, that MP Galloway is really a piece of work. He makes Peter Arnett sound like Mr. American Patriot.

Galloway tells Arabs to fight 'Crusaders'

[Link: www.dailytelegraph.co.uk...]

On a related note, the local news just had an item about a French mountain climber who decided to protest the war by free-climbing a skyscraper to hang a NO WAR banner. Typical idiocy, right? Then I saw the name of the building...

TotalFinaElf

Sometimes you've just gotta laugh.

"They have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind."

Now, _this_ is ingratitude. I remember reading, in another thread, the statement that Americans don't study history, unlike Europeans. In response, may I submit: France?

The French Government has whipped up hysteria against the US and the UK. This policy is obviously very rewarding (sarcasm intended). EU policy meetings may not be smooth sailing for a few years, as I assume that the Brits may not take such insults as mere "misunderstandings."

Please consider sending expressions of support to the UK. I have some e-mail addresses but I hesitate to post them for fear of feeding them to spam-bots. (Is this a valid concern?)

Here are some websites:

"Not Forgotten" Association
UK War Widows Association
British Embassy

Here is a page where you can send e-mail to our good friends at the French Foreign Ministry:

French Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Grave Desecration, Treachery, and Miscellaneous Asshole Behavior.

I've watched Galloway on BBC's Hardtalk, a few months back.

He is truly an odious person. It is one thing to oppose the war which is fine by me, but he also defended and justified Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait. I thought he was drunk at that judging from his slurred and incoherent speech, but that is the he is.

Amazing that the guy is an MP

France's economy depends heavily on tourism revenues. Do they think that people want to pay big bucks to go to France just to see some stincky province of the Maghreb? Do they think that rich kaffirs from Britain or the USA will want to tour a Notre Dame that's been turned into a Mosque and a Louvre that's been denuded of statutes and portraits?

What is wrong with these people?

Ever wonder how a formerly great nation cracks up and then descends into irrelevance? We've been watching it take place in Frogland ever since 9-11. The pace is accelerating, though, so it should be entertaining to see how the shitty little country finishes itself.

Institutional desecration, indeed, is a major leap backward, and signals that national degeneration has entered into a final phase.

I am sick of fucking France. Furthermore, whenever people claim we owe our exsistence to France, tell them to shove it. Spain was WAY more important in the early years of the Revolution than France. More supplies were shipped in by the Spanish, they gave more money, and kept their ports open to us.
I have the biggest urge to go to France, get drunk off cheap American beer, then be really loud, then piss on the Eiffel Tower. I will then challenge them to do a damn thing about it. After they are too damn scared to act, I will spit on the grave of DeGaulle and swim to old Blighty where I will proceed get drunk with real men.
Once again, fuck France.

Cheers,
Jordan

#74 -
I would think that the least they could do - what with all the money they're saving not supporting the war on terrorism - is guard the cemeteries of Old Europe.

#71 Brenda,
He is, indeed, a very nasty individual. I saw him on BBC's question time a week or so before hostilities began, and he never missed an opportunity to attack Israel.

Nasty, and I hope that the people of Glasgow kick him out at the next election.

BTW, my great-grandfather was a Galloway from the West of Scotland, so I may share some of his genetic material.

Help!

#53 Iron Fist

We're leaving in July -- got a job waiting for me in Israel.

Re #56 "Notice of Treason" on pro-Saddam Member of UK Parliament -

Any US constitutional/federal law types out there?? What are the chances something similar could be filed against Jim McDermott?

The American and British war cemetaries in France are the only places of honor left in that country.

Where's John Malkovich when you need him?

The idiot frogs got the freaking Swastika backwards. They might be dyslexic, but my money remains on ignorant.

if this is what the French think about the US and Britain, then they can fight (and lose to) the next invading army that takes over their country... I do not think the US is going to save France for a third time.

#33,

Ask the Cherokee about Andy Jackson. He was a real piece of work. Let me give you a hint, they used to live in Georgia, and thanks to Andy, they are Okies.

#86

Why wait for somebody else to invade. It's not like they are going to resist. We can roll right through, shave all the armpits on the women. dip 'em for cooties, make them all kiss our derrieres, and introduce them to the IRS.

That'll fix them.

I think #33's comments are a reference to this piece of brilliance emanating from al-Guardian:

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

French Translator

Boycott France: Bathe!

We're leaving in July -- got a job waiting for me in Israel.

Caton, I can't begin to express how happy I am for you.

Remember to leave all your tap water running when you go.

#91 Glen Wishard

I can't begin to express how happy I am for you.

Thank you. Convincing my wife was difficult, but worth it. Starting mid September, I'll be half-time in Israel, half-time in the U.S. It's going to be difficult for the family.

Remember to leave all your tap water running when you go.

Why would I do that?

This is very disturbing and sad. This must be so painful for all who have soldiers buried there. "Ungrateful" doesn't begin to describe what's going on.

Fay (#84)

Bloody marvellous! I love John Malkovich. I have no idea who George Galloway but G-d, is he a wanker or what!?

He named Mr Galloway and The Independent newspaper's Middle East correspondent Robert Fisk.

Love it!

Caton (#81)

That is brilliant news. I'm so happy for you. When I'm in Israel next, I'm coming to meet you and your family, okay? (I'm only slightly jealous that you're moving to Israel ;-)

Whooohooo Caton! Will be great to have you out from behind enemy lines. Hope you enjoy your time in the states. But knowing your luck, you'll end up in a liberal commie hell-hole like San Francisco. Sucks to be you.

#94 zulubaby

You're welcome. I'll be in Tel Aviv.

#95 Model4

Nope, the U.S. headquarters are in Missouri. Should be OK.

Jordan: (#78)

C'mon. Tell us whay you really think!

- Mick

OT - The Onion has quite a heavy handed piece of sarcasm in today's issue. Worth a look.

As to the French, hopefully this action will cause a bit of shock in the country and get one or two French writers condemning it. It could happen!

Well that's awesome, Caton. You should like Missouri.

#99 Model4

I've been there a couple of times before, I worked with that company on some deals. Nice place in the summer. I guess I'll have time to explore St Louis in winter :-)

I have the biggest urge to go to France, get drunk off cheap American beer, then be really loud, then piss on the Eiffel Tower.

Been 20 + years but they used to charge you several francs to use the WC inside the Effel tower. Not sure of the fine to piss off of the tower or on it.

I wonder if the US could march our "captives" and captured treasure under the "Arc de triumph" after the war. Oh who am I kidding, who would stop us?

I'm a french citizen. I feel shame. Want to leave this country and regret good food and almost-free social security !

zb, nice to see you,

I have no idea who George Galloway but G-d, is he a wanker or what!?

Wanker extraordinairre I'd say. He's the token, way out there, grab all the publicity you can, 'cos he's got nothing else going for him, kind of "elected" representative of the "people" of his Scottish constituency. In Canada his name is Svend Robinson, in the US his name is Jim McDermott (sp?)

BTW, my born in Britain (by way of the Eastern European pogroms) Jewish father fought in France in WW11 as a member of the British army. My father was a diaspora Jew who risked his life fighting the Germans to protect the French.

I have no words to express my disgust.

#104 Fay

I had several uncles who fought in WWII. But fortunately none of them fought on the Continent. All served in the Pacific Theatre.

I'm very grateful for that fact.

#78, Mr. Jordan, you're right about the Spanish being more important in the early Revolutionary War years. And also, they were important afterwards... Where does anyone think the name "Dollar" came from? The currency that was originally so common at that time in the Colonies was the Spanish Dollar.

Anyway, if it weren't so disgusting, it'd be fascinating to watch what's happening to France right now. Here we see a nuclear power, member of the Security Council, and one of the largest and most economically powerful nations of Europe - losing everything. They're losing people due to negative population growth. Their economy is sputtering because of massive red tape, a 35 hour work week, and social apathy. They have a festering nest of hornets in their midst, as Arab Islamists become increasingly bold in their reckless disregard of the law and openly declare their intentions. They just killed the United Nations, eliminating any diplomatic influence that remained. And they've alienated and seriously angered the two countries in the world who would be the only ones to save France from itself....

Does ANYONE in France know what they're doing to themselves? Are they all crazy? What the heck is the matter with them?

I think the only conclusion is that, as suggested earlier in perhaps funny analogies - they are caught up in a cultural fantasy, much like the Palestinians. France is so deluded because it believes in its superiority, when objectively everyone knows it's a charade. It ignores true problems, harkening back to cultural greatness that is obsolete and ineffective in dealing with today's problems, believing in the fantasy that military might cannot compare with the might of institutions. They have forgotten their own history - the institutional royalty of France was smashed to hell faced with the quick violence of the French Revolution. The institutional nature of 150 years of British colonies in America was ended within several years of war. And like such institutions, the EU and the United Nations will not survive the 21st century's War on Terror (which could be longer than the entire cold war), and the France can't understand that and don't want to look down the dark hole to see what results from it.

Besides, there's something seriously wrong with a country that glorifies Napoleon - a short, arrogant, brutal man who represents many of the qualities of France today.

Susan:

All served in the Pacific Theatre. I'm very grateful for that fact.

Thank you, all of us should be thankful where ever they served. I know all regular LGFer's are.

Wasn't that long ago if you said anything bad about Frawnce, most people would say, "no, no, the French are not really that bad. It's just a couple bad eggs." I rest my case. France is a blight on the face of the Earth. Always has been. Always will be (unless we get lucky).
To hell with 'em, every stinkin' one of 'em!!! I mean that literally.

Who's next? Germany running a close second. They have lots of competition though. The loony left in the US is a prime candidate.

NUKE PARIS

Te missing part of the Swastika has me wondering, was it painted over or photoshoped out to hind something else there? It is hard to imagine what else more offensive could have been written, but I thnk I see a square of lighter color.

I've had enough. I'm enlisting. I hope we can take a battalion or two some afternoon and crush these scum.

#109 and pals

Stop saying bullshits; french aren't all nazis or commies. And we also got some local Michael Moore, but you don't watch or read what they publish and release.
I also believe that all americans aren't enough stupid to think we all support the president, don't waste wine in the sewers and imagine unshaved french girls.

I somewhat recall that the French government got into hot water over a year ago when they were considering a proposal to expand airport facilities over British, Aussie, Canadian, German and some French war graves in the old Somme area.

The French government would have gotten away with it too....if it wasn't for the firestorm of objections raised by several agencies, including the British War Graves Commission and Commonwealth Veterans' Associations...

French gratitude is so fleeting....

#112 Mr. Plop! - Good name, very descriptive. I always think of the word plop as being the manure of a cow as it first touches the ground. PLOP!

#112 plop

While not all French support Saddam Hussein -far from it-, France as a country does. While not all French are anti-american -far from it-, France as a country sees its role as a 'counterweight' of U.S. power only. While not all French support Islamic terrorism -far from it-, France as a country has allied itself with countries that promote, fund, and support Islamic terrorism. While not all French are anti-semitic -far from it-, France as a country is anti-semitic in its actions both internally and externally.

I could go on like that for a while.

The problem of France is not that there are some local thugs. The problem of France is not that the thugs are in power and control the country policies, its army, police, justice and media. The problem of France is that only thugs can be in power. Thugocratic France is not fit to live in any more.

#112
Wha........?

#115

It seems you speak Froglish - can you translate what the fuck he said.

#117 spidly

He's complaining -and righly so- that France as a country/nation/state does not properly represent the French people. Problem is, he doesn't understand that's France (and the French) problem.

OK I've read it a few more times, Thanks

I will use "Stop saying bullshits" or perhaps "stop saying ze bullshits" so I got something useful from the post.

Peace Protestors don't usually go for "death to the yankees". I can't read French but i| think there is a meesage there about Saddam and blood?!

Thing is I don't think this was done by your regular French Socialist Che Guevara waanabe. Those messages I AM CONVINCED were placed there by a muslim.

#120 Crusade Now

Of course those messages were written by an Arab Muslim.

The problem is that France, as a country, will never prosecute an Arab Muslim for this kind of thing. Thus, even if French people do not condone this kind of behaviour, France as a country does actually encourage it.

It seems that France decided to commit a suicide as a civilized nation. Time to send Jack Kevorkian.

This abomonation aside, it seems to me that France is stuck in some kind of timewarp where it is 1812 just before the little Corsican decides to invade Russia.

History has made them an irrelevancy. When you're reduced to creating defence alliances with a country whose cannons will be made of chocolate you might want to wake up and get out more.

#123

I dunno, they can still fart in our general direction, taunt us a second time, and fetche le vache.

I am absolutely revolted.

My grandad fought in that war, and it's no exaggeration to say that a whole generation of britons lie burried in France.

I just hope there are civilized Frenchmen left who can see this as the horrendous sacreliege it is, no matter what they think about the war in Iraq.

Bastards!

Come to think about it - maybe I'm being a bit harsh on them. After all the Francosphere is quite extensive - a frozen bit of tundra inside Canada, some despots in the Caribbean and their muslim brothers in Africa noted for enlightened government.

On a more serious not, you can bet the skeletons discovered outside Vilnius( I think) of the remnants of the Army that marched on Moscow will be accorded all due respect by Jacky boy despite the fact they died while trying to subjugate a country.

There ain't nothing Kipling cannot addres:

They shall not return to us, the resolute, the young,
The eager and whole-hearted whom we gave:
But the men who left them thriftily to die in their own dung,
Shall they come with years and honour to the grave?

They shall not return to us; the strong men coldly slain
In sight of help denied from day to day:
But the men who edged their agonies and chid them in their pain,
Are they too strong and wise to put away?

Our dead shall not return to us while Day and Night divide--
Never while the bars of sunset hold.
But the idle-minded overlings who quibbled while they died,
Shall they thrust for high employments as of old?

Shall we only threaten and be angry for an hour:
When the storm is ended shall we find
How softly but how swiftly they have sidled back to power
By the favour and contrivance of their kind?

Even while they soothe us, while they promise large amends,
Even while they make a show of fear,
Do they call upon their debtors, and take counsel with their
friends,
To conform and re-establish each career?

Their lives cannot repay us--their death could not undo--
The shame that they have laid upon our race.
But the slothfulness that wasted and the arrogance that slew,
Shell we leave it unabated in its place?

To say I am disgusted is frankly an understatement.
I have a grandparent buried in france, he failed to return from a mission in '44 and it wasn't until the 60s that My Father was formally informed of his burial as they didn't find the body before then. I have Great Grandparents buried in france also, My other Grandfather was attached to the Free French in the last war as a Docter. Although Wounded he survived, but never in good health.

Three times the English have broken with Tradition and formed alliance with the french - Crimea, WWI, WWII - (IMO the other times were under a different Aegis) and each time we have paid for that decision in blood and with the bodies of the young and brave.

And this is how that sacrifice is repaid.

I'd like to think not all french are this depraved, I'd like to hope that at least one of the cheese eating surrender monkeys has a backbone, and will use that most unfrench of features to stand upp and decry this insult, I'd like to think that maybe one day the french government will even arrest and prosecute those responsible, but, somehow I doubt it.

BTW, I oppose the moving of such cemetaries, it would mean the french had won, rather let a guard of honour be put there to protect the dead from the living.

UBIQUE! TUTELA BELLICAE VIRTUTIS!

#115 Caton

Sadly, I know what you said.

Besides, according to Le Monde's poll (about french people opinion):

(in froglish, as #xxx said)
"This huge condemnation would be lower if Irak would use mass destruction weapon against US and british forces; but even in this case still 52% disagree with US military strike"

!!!!!!!

#128 plop

Well, in that case, you also know why you are taking some flak. I'm sorry for you, as you, personally, don't deserve it, but I can't really blame those who are venting their rightful anger at France and the French.

Short version: don't take it personally.

Speaking of swastikas:

Hungarian Jewish leader finds swastika painted on car

I've seen enough Jew hatred for the day.

#130

and you've not seen french walls...

I think the problem with the French and other Europeans is that they want to be "multicultural" and congratulate themselves for having Arabs in their country. It makes them seem so tolerant and liberal. But in fact they're racist. They don't hold Arabs to any standards and don't try to integrate them. And they're so blinded by this p.c. racism that they're unable to understand that Saddam Hussein is a horrible dictator who most Iraqis want to destroy. To the French he's a legitimate Arab leader.

#129 Caton

No I don't. I wrote earlier I feel shame.
You cannot imagine how much clichés about americains and jews I hear and watch everyday. I can't stand watching anymore french opinion on television, french riots (you can't tell if it is Cairo or Paris) yelling what you never wanted to hear again since 1940, AFP antisemitic headlines (and I DO mean it, this is not antiisraeli headlines).

There's a joke about God perfecting the world on the 6th day while creating France: beautiful landscapes, healthy way of life, best food and so on... but God then thought it would be unfair for other countries. In order to restore some balance, God created the french.

Via Emmanuelle , the original article
It says "25% of french people say that they feel "more on the side of Iraq.". It also says that "53% wish an american victory" and "33% the opposite".
See also statements from french officials.

Just for you to debate over actual data...

Sadly, I fear France is about to be resurrected as an "ally" of the US as Colin Powell is currently on his way to Belgium to discuss the post-war reconstruction of Iraq with our good friends, the Europeans. Further, a republican congressman interviewed on the BBC last night made it clear that he believes the UN and European nations will play a key role in Iraq.

Ah, if we would only take Charles Krauthammer's counsel.

I have relatives and ancestors who lie in those graves, and have been to France to pay homage to them for their great sacrifice.

I was always impressed by the great and genuine respect the local Frenchmen demonstrated to the fallen, and how immaculately the graves were tended and maintained.

Whatever their views on the current war, and I am certainly not with them, it is impossible to believe that this desecration was the work of Frenchmen (nazis or muslims dont really count.)

I dont think it is right to vilify the French on mass for this outrage, it does not bring honour to descend to virtual anti French racism. Maybe it will help them realise that they are trucking with scum. I have read that a third of the French support an allied victory.

#134 - philippe - some how those numbers say less than you think.

As a Briton I can only say let us get our war dead back to our respective Allied nations and then role on German re-armament and the Allies leaving the frogs to it.

Bastards.

And on the border: after a complaint was filed against Colin Powell and George Bush, the chocolate poodles are caving in on their universal jurisdiction law for "war crimes".

#136

Maybe it will help them realise that they are trucking with scum.

I hoped 9/11 could open eyes; I thought each terrorist alert, each terrorist attack, each burned synagogue these 2 last years on the french ground could change the minds.

I was wrong. Until when ? Should the eiffel tower fall down ?

#130
The idiot who did it appears not to know his own history or he would'a drawn an arrow cross, Eh?

#132
spot on - what I managed not to be able to say in the dane post. There were low expectations of the immigrants, a kind of patronizing attitude towards them, immense self stroking pride in "providing" for them, low level hidden anger that they wouldn't assimilate, and guilt like they were trying to tame exotic wild beasts. Way too much feel-good nonsense and just odd.

Zulubaby & Fay, Just to fill you in on George Galloway, he is Labour MP for Glasgow-Kelvin. He has recently been quote as saying " I believe the International criminal court will... take legal action against British Officers for the prosecution of illegal orders"

Sorry, no link as yet.

In a totally unrelated piece of trivia, he is married to an Arab scientist from Jerusalem called Dr Amineh Abu-Zayyad.

Mommydoc: Yes, I would be happy to liberate the Louvre! And you're right, let's forget the original plan to take over Chanel. Instead, let's jet off to Milan, sell off a few Matisses, and shop! I'll take Armani over Chanel any day. And a red Ferrari would be nice;-)

George Galloway is the sort of fruit loop that sometimes get elected when political parties don't vet who is standing for them. This fuckwit posted a Palestinian flag on a Dundee civic building when he was 26 so his beliefs go back a long way - before he married his arab wife. ITS A PITY he doesn't devote his energies for the diaspora Scots and an independent Scotland and is in fact along with his LABOUR buddies is PART OF THE PROBLEM.

"In old England our cheer
Is roast beef and beer,
And nobody has beaten them yet.
For no enemy we fear
When we've swallowed down the beer,
And the beef it is roasted and ate."

#144 Crusade now, Being a British Mongrel (English, Irish, Scots & Welsh - with a bit of Indian & Jewish thrown in - hey I'm from east london) I used to think the Union was worth maintaining. Now, not so much.

Independance for Scotland & Wales, cool. The Scots would resurect the Auld Alliance with the French & blend into the EU as a region, very possible the Welsh too. England could then become the 51st state... Oh Shuzbot, forgot about Northern Ireland...

It looks like the "Holocaust Inversion" phenomenon which started Palestinians and their sympathizers, is spreading to other groups. The British, who liberated the French from the Nazis (with whom the second were quite cozy) are now themselves called Nazis. So sickening.

It almost always starts with the Jews. But it never stops with them.

It is historically accurate to say that the French thrived under Nazi occupation, they became highly productive towards the nazi war machine.

I say it is high time we bring our dead home.

#137 trailblazer

some how those numbers say less than you think.

Actually, they say more. I don't have time to translate the article, but what it says is that 'opposition to the war' is linked to 'education'. Those who went to universities are 87% opposed, those who didn't are 61% opposed. Remember DeGenova? Same thing...

There is a clear link with politics (left wing are more opposed) and with age (the young are more opposed).

34% side with the coalition, 25% side with Iraq, 31% don't take sides and 10% refuse to answer. However, 53% wish the coalition to win. And the same 'link' to education.

If you look at the outcome expected, the influence of the media is clear.

I think the pattern is obvious: propaganda and indoctrination, starting in the education system. It's not the French, it's the French regime. And I'm using this word on purpose.

Is Article X of Salt I still in effect? As I recall this was a secret annex to the treaty. In it the USSR & the US pledged in case of a nuclear war between the parties to save 12 each for France.

Tom

#31 - rockman -

You beat me to it. I agree. The French would certainly know how to draw a swastika.

However, even if this little billet doux was composed by Islamofascists, the fact that the French press is silent and that fully one third of the French hope that Saddam wins removes any excuse the French could possibly have had and is tantamount to an endorsement of this kind of outrage.

The swastika is interesting for another reason: it demonstrates that radical Islam and Nazism are ideological cousins which are both based on visceral antisemitism.

We and the Brits should bring our dead home and bury them with honor in home soil. The French have desecrated the resting places of those who made the ultimate sacrifice to liberate them, and that is simply unforgivable.

I hope that Americans, who spend more tourist dollars than any other national group, stop going to France and stop spending even a penny on French products. I have stopped buying anything French, German or Belgian. I am buying English, Italian, Spanish and Israeli instead. Italy, Spain and Israel all have wonderful olive oil, Italian chocolates and wines are great, Israeli cosmetics are terrific, I love English cheeses, and I'd rather eat paella or linguini alla vongole than escargots :-P any day.

woah:

funny (?) flash movie

Translation:
"In the name of Allah

Join now the impressive islamic community of France and Europe and don't try to ignore what could be inescapable in 20 years".

#146 interesting mix Smit - I am mostly Cornish/Scots on both sides with some Welsh and a teeny bit of Jewish through a small thread.

Yep I know for certian that the Cornish indepedence mob are putting their hopes on a powerful EU to get rid of London. I don't think France is really French any more I have been to Paris....

#52:

Anyway, I'm baffled why we have ever considered France an ally. Can someone explain?

It's because we're not ungrateful pissants. We still remember the French fleet surrounding Yorktown and the Marquis de Lafayette's assistance. But I think that debt's paid in full. Write the debt off, write the french off.

My Dad fought in France in WW1, many of his friends were left behind in graves along the Western Front.

I was appalled when I saw this news last night. I am even more appalled in the cold light of day.

There are to be prayers at Etaples cemetary this weekend. It seems to me that the ENTIRE population of Etaples should be there, to try to wipe out this stain on the character of France.

And Chirac should be making the most profuse apologies to the British people. Then Chirac should start to reexamine why his country is turning so sick.

Unless France faces up to its problems, it faces further political and economic decline. And it will turn in on itself, with serious civil strife.

Smit: Whereabouts in East London? My father's business was in Brick Lane.

Oswald Spengler....you were right.

France is full of despicable bastards. Dig up our garbage it fouls their soil?? Referring to the men in their graves who died fighting to FREE FRANCE?! Now they're in bed with Germany, the conquering invaders of the 40's ? Whoreish anal prostitution = Chirac. F* the French - F* them in the strongest terms humanly possible. When we're done in Iraq, I think it's time we target France!

#156

oh man - just the mention of Brick Lane has me hankering for a curry.

oh yes - and f*** france

#41:

It's an old British song, dating from the 18th century, I think. It started life as a satirical riff on an aria,but the Royal Navy used it as the music to call officers to dine, at it worked its way into a section of the British conciousness. John Derbyshire at National Review, a Brit recently turned US citizen, knows it by heart and rattles it off in his articles now and again. I guess the identification of Roast Beef with the Brits is long-standing.

Plop:

I'm trying hard to remember there are Frenchmen who abhor this as much as I do, but it's difficult. I remember stories from my great-uncles of fighting in France from when I was young. They all returned alive, but so many of their friends didn't - my uncle Dick became commander of his artillery battery when a German shell hit their command post and he was the only officer to survive. I see something like this, and. . . .

Caton:

I think you'll like Missouri - when in St. Louis, make sure to check out the U. City loop, and remember most of the museums are in Forest Park some distance from downtown. It seems kind of a shame though - France likely needs all the brave men it can get and keep.

#140

I'm sure I'm not the only one in these parts who has evil fantasies about the Eifel Tower...

[Link: www.strangecosmos.com...]

#155

More seriously, internal strife in France would be a good thing -- and I obviously don't mean anti-semitic attacks. The problem is the spineless surrender to the world's most disgusting culture.

I hope Brits will raise a row about this vile act, because there seems little media attention so far: a Google News search just now on "Etaples" brought up only 12 items.

The enemy of my friend is my enemy.

Here's A Viable Plan....

Phase One

The United States will apologize to the entire world

for our interference in their affairs, past and present.

You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Hussein and the rest of

them 'good old boys'. We will never interfere again.

Phase Two

We will withdraw our troops from all over the world,

starting with Germany, South Korea, the Philippines

and even Iraq. They obviously don't want us there.

We will start to station troops at all of our borders.

No more sneaking through holes in the fence.

Phase Three

All illegal aliens have 90 days to get all of their affairs

together and leave. We'll give them a free trip home.

After 90 days, the remainder that has not come forward,

will be gathered up, detained and deported immediately,

regardless of who they are or where they are from.

I'm quite sure France would welcome them.

Phase Four

All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and
limited to 90 days unless given a special permit.

No one from a terrorist nation would be allowed in.

If you don't like it there, change it yourself, don't hide here.
Asylum would not ever be available to anyone.

We don't need any more cab drivers.

Phase Five

No students over the age of 21 years old,

since the older ones are the bombers.

If they don't attend classes, they get a 'D'
and then it's 'Adios', back home baby.

Phase Six

The US will make a strong effort to become self
sufficient energy wise. This will include developing
non polluting sources of energy but will require a
temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness.
The caribou will have to cope for a while.

Phase Seven

Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing
countries $10.00 per barrel for their oil.

If they don't like it, we go someplace else.

Phase Eight

If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe
in the world, we will not interfere. They can pray
to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or
whatever they need. Besides, most of what we give

them is stolen or given to the army. The people

who need it most get very little, if any anyway.

Phase Nine

Ship the UN Headquarters to an island some place.
We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here.
Besides, it would make a good homeless shelter,

or even better as a lock-up for illegal aliens.

Phase Ten

All Americans must go to charm and beauty school.
That way no one can ever again call us 'Ugly Americans'.

Now, ain't that a winner of a plan.

Ces 3@#$s-là 2@#$ant! Mais pourquoi est-ce qu'un de chaque trois désire voir la tyrrannie de Sadd*mn triompher!? (Those 2@#$ing 3@#$s! But why is it that one out of each three desires to see the tyrranny of Sadd*mn triumphing!?)

#163 - john .....I'll add one.

Phase Eleven

Given all of our extra deployable forces and funds for materiel (due to effects of phases one, two and eight), we will engage in one last deployment to re-establish Israel's national borders to those originally established by God.

We will then assist them in implementing their own phases three through five.

Anyone in opposition to phase eleven can pray to Allah or whomever for a way to prevent it, but they will have to do that from some place other than al-Aksa or Qubbat al-Sakhra, because there will be new construction going on there.

My Granddad came back from France in 1918 with a fused spine. He couldn't move his back or neck and was forced to sell his homestead in Wyoming. Yeah, he was a cowboy. How ironic that the term is now used as a pejorative in France.

#156 Fay, I live about 10 mins from Brick lane, family is from Hoxton & Shoreditch. Brick Lane has the best curry houses and the best bagel bakery in London.

BREAKING THE NEWS: Football in Palerm, Italy: ISRAEL 1 -FRANCE 0 after 3 minutes playing muhahahahaha

The game has just begun, the stadium is empty :)

My fondest wish is that Osama bin Laden live long enough to nuke Paris and bring burning nuclear death or radiation poison to every man, woman, and child in that boil on the ass of humanity called France.

After seeing this, seeing how they have defiled the graves of honorable Americans who died for their worthless piece of shit sewer, hate does not even begin to describe what I feel for these inhuman piles of rotting of ratshit.

May they all die slowly and painfully.
May they all rot in Hell for eternity.
I just wish I could spit on every person in that cesspool.
I fucking hate them all.

I'm crying like a baby, I'm so mad.
Look at what they did! These people have no souls. They have no respect, they have no humanity.
God I hate them.
I FUCKING HATE THEM.

#151

I love English cheeses

this is the very evidence you're not credible :)

#169

did you fart ?

Also daubed were the words "dig up your garbage, it is fouling our soil

We should do nothing either way for France. Let the French sink on their own. They are doing a fine job of destroying their own country.

plop:
Great animation and I'm afraid not an unreasonable future for France.

General announcement:

I'll be in Israel for 2 weeks in May and would love to meet any lgf'ers who are there.

I've set up an entirely dispensable email account (with completely bogus identification information), so you guys can contact me:

mirlmiriam@yahoo.com

BBC Online 'follows up' this story with a light-hearted look at the origins of the term 'rosbif'. We are assured that it is often a good-natured dig, and that we Brits call the French cheeky names too. But then we don't desecrate their war cemeteries.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

In France's Fields

In France's fields the ingrates grow
Who stain the crosses, row on row
That mark our place; and on the stone
Their marks, bid us depart, our sacrifice
Scarce felt amid the hate they sow.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our grave from the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
And don't break faith with us who died.
We cannot sleep, when ingrates grow
In France's fields.

Sad, when it gets so bad that, when a country that is a friend to the USA gets turned into a hated country by racists and bigots because they refused to get involved in a war that was not necessary.

Defense against Iraq is needed, you say? Why? Did they make threats? Do they have even half the military capacity that North Korea does? Why isn't North Korea ahead of Iraq in threats to the U.S.? Why is the U.S. being the aggressor?

I used to be an American proud of the country and the administration, but now I am only proud of the country; the administration has used lies and propaganda to the exent that nating another country and wishing them to die is not only acceptable, but it is the *ONLY* viewpoint that is *ALLOWED* by the current goose-stepping morons in charge of the U.S.A.

Sad. You all are.

And, no, I will not move to another country. I love the U.S.A., just not the morons in charge and the morons who believe the propaganda to the extent that they have become as bad as the brain-dead, lying bigots and racists in D.C.

When I can speak my piece and not be *AUTOMATICALLY* branded as a traitor/terrorist, I know that intelligence is back. Till then, I will sit back, watch, and laugh as the slide into something much worse than Nazism continues.

(Flame away, I won't be here to read responses from brain-dead racists and bigots.)

Charles,

I guess I spoke too soon.