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Crossing the Red Zone

Wed, Apr 2, 2003 at 3:58:30 am PST

US forces have crossed the “Red Zone” around Baghdad for the final push into the city. If the Iraqis are foolish enough to use chem/bio weapons, this is the most dangerous time.

Army's 3rd Infantry Division and the First Marine Expeditionary Force both reported breakthroughs as some units entered the so-called "red zone" within 50 miles of Baghdad. U.S. officials say Iraqi resistance will be most tenacious in this zone and have warned of the possible use of chemical weapons.

In an attack launched at midnight, 3rd Infantry units surged past the strategic city of Karbala, targeting an estimated 2,000 paramilitary fighters. Karbala, which sits on the main approach to Baghdad from the southwest, was encircled and hit by night-long bombardment from U.S. artillery and warplanes.

To the east, thousands of Marines were moving against the city of Kut after capturing an important bridge over the Tigris River. The fall of Kut would open up a key highway approach to Baghdad from the southeast.

The Republican Guard's Medina Division around Karbala and its Baghdad Division around Kut are among the main military forces in the way of an American advance on Baghdad. U.S. defense officials say recent airstrikes and artillery barrages have reduced the strength of both divisions by more than 50 percent.

"We are aware of where the Republican Guard was positioned; we have engaged them and are into their area," said a U.S. Central Command spokesman, Navy Capt. Frank Thorp. "The battle is being waged and we are doing well."
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1 Bob Mologna  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 2:06:37am

It's going to be a red zone all right, soon enough.

2 Alfred E. Neuman  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 2:12:34am

Damn, Charles, you've been getting up early lately. I thought I was up early, but you're three hours time-zone-wise ahead of me.

3 JLawson  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 2:18:31am

Good luck to all the Marines. Our prayers go with you for your safety - so kick ass!

J.

4 MysticMonist  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 2:36:57am

As I posted once before. If the Iraqis follow Shari'ah mandated practice, then the outlook for female captives is grim to say the least.

The rape of Kufr women captured in war was specifically permitted by the Prophet himself?

Qur'an 4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those (captives) whom your right hands possess.

[Link: www.usc.edu...]

The phrase "right hand possesses" refers to the sword arm.

Or Sahih Bukhari Vol 7 Book 62 No 137 [Link: www.usc.edu...]

We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection."

In other words coitus interruptus is not required by Allah or his Holy Prophet. It doesn't matter if they get pregnant - it is destiny - the will of Allah.

Needless to say, every moslem is commanded to follow the exemplary behaviour of the Prophet.

5 J.D.  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 2:37:14am

Take care, guys. We're proud of you and grateful to you.

6 MysticMonist  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 2:40:13am

#4 MysticMonist

Sorry folks, posted that on the wrong thread.

7 J.D.  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 2:44:27am

#4 and #6 Mystic It's early :) Good post, nonetheless!

8 MysticMonist  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 2:51:51am

#7 J.D.

Thanks J.D.

It happens when I have two windows open at the same time (I often do it to have one page downloading while I'm reading another one - saves time with my slow modem.) Then I get confused and post on the wrong thread.

It's not early here in Melbourne Australia so I have no excuse. It's after 10 at night.

:-)

9 Amy  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 3:10:22am

Check this out:

[Link: www.news.scotsman.com...]

So, the "glorious resistance" that is inspiring the Muslim world [See, for example, [Link: www.reuters.com...] type=topNews&storyID=2482042] is based on the use of five-year-olds as human shields and on forcing men to fight to avoid a bulllet in the head.

The entire Middle East (with the exception of Israel) is insane.

10 Amy  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 3:12:32am

Let's try that second link again:

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

11 Kalle (kafir forever)  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 3:15:02am

Today's CentCom brief, Gen.Brig. Brooks said, of Saddam's Republican Guards: "They're in trouble" -- and more importantly: "The Baghdad division has been destroyed."

Warms the heart.

12 Former Belgian  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 3:22:50am

OT: see

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

and

[Link: entre_nous.blogspot.com...]

The Belgian lower house of parliament just voted a new amendment to the law that grants its courts universal jurisdiction in war crimes and genocide cases. Under the new amendment, the perpetrator or victims have to be Belgian citizens or residents. Otherwise, the lawsuit gets passed on to the judicial authorities of the country involved, provided that it is a democratic country with an independent judiciary.

The Senate still has to approve the law next week. If it does (as it is expected to do), the "war crimes" proceedings against Ariel Sharon, Bush the Elder, and Colin Powell have effectively been sent to the porcelain throne.

13 Jay  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 3:41:05am

Charles lives on the West Coast, so he just went to bed late, not got up early.

As for what is going on in Iraq, head over to Debka to get a really good set of pictures. We basically drew their forces to the South East, then the 101st just cut them off.

I think the irony is that they were saying that Gen. Franks was giving the green light to run the war the way he wants. I think they forgot to mention that his waiting for the "stragetic advantage" was reached over the weekend :p There is one airbase that we seem to be trying to capture, after we get that, this war is going to go very quickly to a conclusion. I just hope that isn't a bloody one.

14 Ken Barnes  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 3:47:36am

So the reason for the timing on the start of the Iraq campaign was to have dark of moon by the time we got to Baghdad, as I (among others) had suspected.

I just hope the "military analysts" on T.V. aren't telling the Iraqis anything they don't already know (or even better, I hope the info they're presenting has been deliberately "degraded").

15 hans ze beeman  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 3:47:38am

OT: Israel drops the Baghdad Broadcasting Company - see here.

16 newscaper  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 3:52:49am

Did Republican Guard near Karbala get defeated in a large battle by ground forces last night, or had they already essentially melted away (presumably to Baghdad)? In any case, I would think the larger objective would be to fully destroy the force to head off later battles in the city rather than merely displace them, taking their ground. I ask because CNN was reporting light resistance when our guys went through.

Last...

WTF!!!! Why is Powell kissing the Turkey's ass NOW?!?

And why *not* let the Kurds take Kirkuk or Mosul -- it's where a bunch of them were "ethnically cleansed" from. It's not like they're on the border with Turkey.

17 Damian P.  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 4:15:22am

Sky News says the coalition is just 20 miles from Baghdad. Other reports say one of 3 Republican Guard divisions guarding the city has been completely eviscerated.

To paraphrase Churchill, this is the beginning of the end, or at least the end of the beginning. Godspeed, men.

18 whtemaleHegemonist  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 4:20:04am

There is a major battle shaping up in Irak by the city of Karbala. Does any journalist understand the meaning of this site in Muslim history?
Karbala is where Hussien, Mohammed's nephew was "murdered" 1300 years ago and lead to the permanent split between the Sunni and the Shiites.
When the Shiites flog themselves in frenzies, they do so in memory of Hussien and the lst battle of Karbala

19 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 4:21:43am

CNN is reporting that coalition forces are within 25 miles of Baghdad. The Army has taken Karbala and Marines have seized Kut. Coalition forces are advance on both sides of the Tigris and Euphrates towards Baghdad and control key bridges over both rivers.

The reports also suggest that the Medina Division was destroyed and the other two divisions of the Republican Guard have been severely degraded.

One former general commenting on NY local news this morning said that the "50% reduction of forces" is like seeing half of the people in front of you getting killed or injured, while your equipment is blown to smithereens. It smashes your will to continue fighting, knowing that the same forces that killed the first 50% can come back and get you. It makes things very personal.

20 BW  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 4:24:58am

Can anyone help; it was my understanding that the reason the republican guard units were posted outside Baghdad was because Saddam didn't trust them in the city - a bit like the Romans with their legions. Is this true?

21 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 4:30:00am

Saddam claimed that the republican guard would defend the city from outside, while the special republican guard (consider them the praetorian guard of roman times) defended the capital from within.

It is entirely possible that he didn't trust any of these armed forces to be in the city, but their tactics and strategy thus far has been a failure.

In other news, U.S. B-52s on Wednesday dropped six 1,000-pound cluster bombs on an Iraqi tank column moving toward American troops in central Iraq. It marked the first time in combat history that the armor-busting, sensor-fused CBU-105 Wind Corrected Munitions Dispensers were used in an attack.
- from Fox, which is reporting that coalition forces are within 19 miles of the capital. This means that ground forces are within range of artillery strikes or reconaissance in force with Iraqi troops.

22 ken  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 4:30:14am

As the Kurds are the only Muslims to have actively assisted coalition forces, they should be entitled to their own sovereign state of Kurdistan. Its history, culture, institutions and population have far more history and authenticity than
does "Palestine".

Freedom for Kurdistan

23 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 4:32:20am

#16, the reason Powell is talking with the Turks is that the Turks have so far apparently behaved themselves in not crossing the border or taking any provocative action against the Kurds.

24 Let them issue their fatwahs  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 4:32:51am

#9 as i said in another thread.
When the koran is at war, expect the worst humanity has to offer.

25 kathyn  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 4:43:50am

MSNBC has reported that former Soviet Union soldiers are dug in with the republican guard in Baghdad, giving them advice on how to fight the US. They stressed that they were "former" soldiers, which I suppose means they are mercenaries now. At any rate, we're going after all of them. Good luck and godspeed to our servicemen and women.

26 whitemaleHEgemonist  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 4:49:53am

Ken. #22
I agree, but have you ever met any Kurds in person? Lets rethink this project as we don't want state of 25 million that may be worse than Falastina.

27 whitemaleHEgemonist  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 4:50:43am

Ken. #22
I agree, but have you ever met any Kurds in person? Lets rethink this project as we don't want state of 25 million that may be worse than Falastina.

28 S. Razor  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 4:51:10am

#21

Here's what he was talking about:
First link
Second Link
Third Link

The SFW, a 1,000-pound class weapon, houses 10 BLU-108 sensor fuzed submunitions, each with 4 smart Skeet warheads, for a total of 40 lethal warheads per weapon. Each Skeet warhead has the destructive capability to defeat a land combat vehicle.
Smart Sensor Technology - Each Skeet warhead contains a side-mounted, dual-mode passive infrared and active laser sensor. The dual-mode infrared (IR) sensor searches for targets that match a defined set of IR requirements, while the laser sensor profiles the target to improve aim point and lethality. When a valid target is detected, the Skeet warhead fires an Explosively Formed Penetrator (EFP) onto the target. The EFP, with its center core and projectile fragment ring, provides both soft and hard target lethality.

These would be reasons not to f*ck with the people that invented the Internet.

29 S. Razor  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 4:56:19am

Here's another reason:
Laser Rifle in Development

30 Grognard  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 4:59:39am

re: 9 Amy

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
- Benjamin Franklin

The whole region is insane including Israel.

31 Texan Jew  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 5:01:37am

Sorry guys, i am new to this and cant figure out how to post on the main page but that people would like this

Prof De Genova is cutting class today because he fears for his life.

32 Dumocrat  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 5:02:04am

#28

Yeah nobody should mess with Al Gore.

33 ken  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 5:04:56am

Hi # 26 Yes I know several Kurds. They are primarily Jews who moved here to Israel from Kurdistan, and they have proved themselves to be extremely capable. I must admit I am not too worried about Kurdistan causing problems for Iran, Turkey or Syria. Indeed, I believe it would be in the best interests of the civilised world to foment true civil rights for disparate minorities in the Islamic world. It is entirely justified and humane to assist oppressed Shias achieve a measure of human rights where they are oppressed by a Sunni majority. ( and vice versa )

34 S. Razor  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 5:16:22am

#32 -
Nah - it's more like nobody should mess with Jon Postel, even though he's dead.

#31 -
I suppose he's finally getting an education. Reality Therapy can be hard.

Hell, I'm an ex-leftist with an Anthro/Soc degree, and I'd kick the shinola out of him. He's right to be worried, somebody might cut him or shoot him. And then they might really hurt him by taking away his grant money.

It's too bad, that as an Anthropologist, he didn't understand the mores and lifeways of our dominant culture.

This would be the backlash against moral relativism we've all been expecting.

Who believes all that post-structuralist crapola word-for-word anyways?
My narrative can beat up your narrative.

35 4th Texas  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 5:23:10am

Amazing what a B-52 full of bombs can do.

36 Texan Jew  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 5:26:50am

#34 - Like most of this peaceniks they are loud and vocal in their conviction until their own way of life is threatened, than they shut up real quick.

I went to a very left wing college where, i shit you not, hippie girls would drive around in massive gas guzzling Land Rovers with bumper stickers saying "live simply so others my simply live".

37 djspicerack  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 5:27:05am

via drudge:

this thisislondon article says the battle is on for tonight. the best quote is "Just keep watching the television." HA!

38 kayawanee  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 5:31:53am

If it's gonna happen tonight, let's wish our troops the best of luck and pray for very few casualties for our soldiers and their civilians.

Good luck and G-d bless guys!

39 Gustavia  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 5:35:27am

On the Centcom briefing this morning, Brooks had a much stronger tone about him. Just a no-nonsense manner and there werent as many questions about civilians.

But I did have to chuckle when one reporter asked him what did he mean when he said the "Baghdad division had been destroyed? Did he mean they surrendered or fled the scene with their equipment?"

I still think some of these folks havent accepted the fact that we are there to kill the enemy.

40 Boris Goodenough  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 5:40:21am

Just a question, not troll-bait:

They're in the 'red zone' now, so what if they continue the fight and there aren't any chemical/bio attacks, and then when it's over they don't find any chemical/bio weapons or stockpiles. Was Saddam stupid enough to pour the VX into the sand like they said? None of the missile attacks against Kuwait had 'irregular' materials.

Obviously I hope there aren't any such attacks, but it will be interesting to see what the allies find (or don't find) when they sift through the rubble.

Once again, this is just an observation, I agree with everyone else on this board about the need for this war and its inevitable outcome.

41 Throbert McGee  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 5:41:00am
Prof De Genova is cutting class today because he fears for his life.

Fucking pansy -- it's his side that's so infatuated with the physical confrontation of ''direct action'' protests.

I'm really pissed at whatever idiots phoned in the crank death threats, though; in the end all they'll accomplish is to feed De Genova's delicious sense of martyrdom.

42 Texan Jew  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 5:46:48am

#41

I disagree with you. It is good he is cutting class because it:
a) proves that when push comes to shove, he really isnt willing to put his ass on the line for his convictions. What does that say to the followers of his active resistance compain?
b) lets other profs know that this isnt a game; people will hold them to account
c) puts some fear into him like the fear that our poor soldiers must face every day on the battle field.

43 War Whore  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 5:46:55am

#18
Speaking of Karbala, reports this morning say our guys have been taking fire from the shrine there (2nd holiest in Shia Islam), but are not returning fire. You can't get more symbolic of the entire clash of civilizations than that.

44 Blair Force One  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 5:47:31am

Just out of interest:

I have been hunting around a number of news sources in order to get the other side of the story, I found the following:

'It was an outrage, an obscenity':
[Link: argument.independent.co.uk...]

Very Interesting:
[Link: pilger.carlton.com...]

War is ugly, the current media only shows the gloss non of the horrors. There are hundreds of innocent iraqi civillians being killed, they have suffered for 30 years at the hands of Saddam (aided until now by the US).

We should never forget the suffering of the innocent, and never support injustice. I hope to see the dictatorships of Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt also removed. I would like to see Justice of rthe Palestinians.

I hope an American life is not considered more valuable than an Iraqi life. Let us not follow the same mind set as Hitler when he de-humanised the Jews, and Murdered them.

Freedom and Justice For All.

45 Jim Bob  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 5:48:03am

Sniff...sniff...God I love the smell of cordite in the morning.

Difficult as it is to follow who is going where to do what to whom, the battlefield wouldn't be developing in this way unless the people who can follow it have a LOT of confidence.

A British general officer has been quoted as saying that the coalition has no intention of "conquering" Baghdad. He says the strategy is much more "subtle" than that.

So I better go tie all this equipment down before I parachute into what must be a very large and defensible area in the middle of town by now, set up a perimeter with my fellow trigger-happy companions and begin to subtly munch this donut from the inside out.

Oh, would you have my broker buy me as much as I can margin in Dow index futures on the opening tomorrow? Hup thousand..two thousand...three thousand....

46 S. Razor  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 5:50:12am

#40

I believe we already have an ammo dump under our control which has 40 buildings full of all sorts of materiel including artillery shells with undetermined contents and a chemical decontamination truck.

We just aren't announcing anything yet, until we can back up our statements with fact and scientific data.

That's what is going on to the best of my knowledge.

47 someone  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 5:55:12am

Incidentally, this seems to be what Powell's Turkish visit was about (via Rantburg)...

48 Spunky the Dissident  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 5:57:20am

Man, these must be depressing days for the IndyMedia/Million Mogadishu crowd. Man, after their delusional joy last week when it was made to appear the war was not going well, that Saddam's Republican Guard was going to outwit, outlast, and outsurvive the imperialist war criminal crusaders.

Oh, how depressing it must be for them to hear a constant stream of reports of allied advances, destruction of Republican guard units, and .... horror of horrors, support from liberated Iraqis.

Of course, most smug, self-satisfied leftist will find something to keep his spirits up. They can always move the goalpost, and insist that unless Iraq becomes political indistinguishable from Sweden by next Tuesday the war is a failure. And they probably will, but for now, my schadenfreude at their disappointment is warming.

49 ken  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 5:57:47am

#44 So would you agree that there should be a state of Kurdistan ?

50 Blair Force One  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 6:05:25am

#49, In reply;

About Kurdistan, I believe the Kurdish people again have been oppressed by both Iraqi's and Turks. Their dream of their own state should be looked at. I know the cruel oppression of the kurds by Saddam was witnessed by US administration, and rewarded by Rumsfeld with aid, weapons etc.

I do not like to see double standards, applied in this Iraqi saga.

51 Model4  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 6:06:01am

Can't win 'em all. Here's a vicious article about how civilian deaths could likely mount if the fighting goes into Baghdad. While the premise is true, it's typical Al Jazeera with the photos of wounded and mourning Iraqi civilians, and the only source of civilian deaths is the Allied forces. Not a mention of the multiple Iraqi war crimes of keeping military assests near civilians, or deliberately using them as shields. No mention of the forced conscriptions of child soldiers. No mention of the execution of civilians trying to flee the war zone.

But the worst part? It's not Al Jazeera. Or is it?

52 Robert Brandtjen  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 6:06:09am

#25

MSNBC has reported that former Soviet Union soldiers are dug in with the republican guard in Baghdad, giving them advice on how to fight the US. They stressed that they were "former" soldiers, which I suppose means they are mercenaries now

They were there in GW1 as well. Afterward they went home and told the Soviet Army how irrelvant they now were. If you remember, Gorby stepped down shortly thereafter and the Soviet Union ceased to exist. Thus, considering how far we have come in a technological way in the last 12 years, the Russian General Staff will only feel even more obsolete. Hopefully the Chinese will get the hint as well. THe vaunted Russian tank, the great threat in Europe during the Cold War, is now a "Noooon Factor!"

53 Bill OH  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 6:10:09am

My question is: what will we do if they shoot a chemical or biological weapon at us? Nuke their ass (I hope)? But seriously, what?

54 Nicholas  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 6:11:29am

Hey, South Korea sends troops to Iraq!

Some months ago they wanted the US military out. Now they seem to be strong enough to keep North Korea at bay and go to Iraq.

Perhaps they are a bit late for the show; we are in the final act.

I a few weeks even my grandmother can fight in Iraq.

Then it is surely time for the French to show up and claim victory.

55 daveman  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 6:20:10am

Man's voice over PA:

"The Red Zone is for Chemical Munitions only. There are no conventional munitions in the Red Zone."

56 Bob71  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 6:21:20am

#53 Bill OH

I don't want to see the use of nuclear weapons, or any weapons of mass destruction. So I guess there is never a case where I can sincerely say:

You don't like our bombs with depleted Uranium? Here, try the ones with enriched Uranium!

57 Model4  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 6:24:50am

Nicholas: Oh yes, I can see it now. 2,000 S. Koreans in their early 20s try to take Baghdad by forming waves to push against Iraqi soldiers while chanting slogans. Actually, that would be a great thing if the cameras were rolling. Let the youth of SK see just what we protect them from.

#48 Spunky: It's even worse than that. Expect that two weeks after the victory is clearly won our liberals will start claiming what a failure this is since we're still their as occupying oppressors, who'll "inflame the Arab Street-TM" and "create a thousand bin Ladens-TM." These will be the same voices that said we "abandoned" Iraq before, after they said we shouldn't take the fight to Baghdad. They hope that we'll leave the country too soon so the same rot can set in again. Remember, defeats for America and democracy are seen as victories to liberal politicians.
----
I actually wish I was in one of de Genova's "classes." (raising hand) "Sir, in Mogadishu the villagers fought for their beliefs against well-trained and well-armed soldiers despite the obvious risk to their lives. Sir, why did you skip class the other day?"

58 whtemaleHegemonist  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 6:27:56am

Ken #37 & Blair Air Force #51:
Kurdistan is not an option, mainly because of the Kurds. (So you met ONE Kurdish Jew). Name me ONE Kurdish political figure who made ONE public statement that made any sense. Same problem for the Iraki opposition. There are no Tom Jeffersons hiding in ME. They are all mideaval shitheads, preoccupied with clan, status, personal safety, and fuckinf goats.
There are excellent reasons why peoples 9not countries) become colonies.

59 whtemaleHegemonist  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 6:31:16am

PS:
I was in Istambul a year ago and was profiled for interrogation. My wife is from Kyrgyzstan, and the Stoopid boarder guard heard "Kurdistan". Major customs problems.

60 Spunky the Dissident  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 6:32:04am
Remember, defeats for America and democracy are seen as victories to liberal politicians.

How true.

61 Craig  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 6:32:27am

And some of the press still hasn't figured out that all the off the record pessimism coming from the Pentagon was just a disinformation campaign aimed at making the Iraqis understimate the U.S. capabilities.

Anyone who thought Franks would race his tanks to within 100km of Baghdad under a full moon and sit there for a month waiting for the heat to build and the 4th ID to arrive was a truly a fool.

Stand up Peter Arnett, Seymour Hersh, Ted Koppel etc... Take a bow. You've done your country a great service. ;-)

The press is always cynical about anything positive coming from the Pentagon but swallows negativity hook, line and sinker. Glad to see the generals have learned how to use that to their advantage.

62 kayawanee  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 6:32:28am

#57 Model4

I actually wish I was in one of de Genova's "classes." (raising hand) "Sir, in Mogadishu the villagers fought for their beliefs against well-trained and well-armed soldiers despite the obvious risk to their lives. Sir, why did you skip class the other day?"

Awesome! Very well put, Model4. I'd love to be there too.

63 John H  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 6:39:41am

#22, #26
The problem the Kurds have is that the 20 million or so of them are spread over five countries, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Armenia and Syria. They have a common goal of statehood despite the fact they are not a unified people in a western sense. The Iraqi Kurds have in fact fought a rather bloody battle among themselves for ideological control as recently as 1998. They are sort of like our so-called Native Americans. They may be generically called Indians, but there are many tribes and they don’t necessarily get along very well.

64 whtemaleHegemonist  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 6:51:11am

John, #64.
Excellent response. Too many of the boggers ( right word? I am new to this.) do not understand this kind of stuff. There is no Kurdish language, just several dialects.
There is no Farsi language, just dialects spread from "Kurdish" ( at least 3 major dialects) to Dari, Pushtoon, Tadjik.

65 velvetelvis  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 6:55:20am

#48 Spunky

Of course, most smug, self-satisfied leftist will find something to keep his spirits up. They can always move the goalpost, and insist that unless Iraq becomes political indistinguishable from Sweden by next Tuesday the war is a failure. And they probably will, but for now, my schadenfreude at their disappointment is warming.

Brilliant, hysterical, sadly true.

ve

66 Let the cultists issue their fatwahs  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 6:57:53am

#31

Almost two dozen De Genova supporters gathered at 4 p.m. by a statue outside the Ivy League school's library. The protesters sat silently near an empty chair meant to symbolize the absence of the professor.

Wow, thats some real cult shit right there.
What a world this is that the hip mainstream takes these newage aposoles-and-prophets-of-submission-affinity seriously, and wants us to 'strive' to become them. Well it doesn't take much 'strive'ing to be a cultist, a lack of willpower, and unsaciable lust of the charasmatic judgement day preaching leader's orgasmic power rays will do.

67 Crusade Now  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 6:58:01am

#26 Kurds are infintely more preferable to Turks and I have met many of both over the past 3 years

68 Mikemc  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 7:04:07am

Debka speculates that Saddam has "made a run for it," causing the weak resistance we've seen today.

69 whtemaleHegemonist  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 7:04:39am

#67
gee, this is getting complicated. Some turks are OK, as are some Kurds. My wife is Muslim Tartar, to whom I don't tell about LGF.

70 ken  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 7:14:23am

And there is no Palestinian language or culture, so why does the World insist on a Palestinian state but not a Kurdish one.

Because there are Jews in Israel. If the Jews has a state in Antartica, the World would be insistant on a sovereign state for penguins.

71 whitemaleHEgemonist  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 7:20:41am

Ken: I acctually have to mow the lawn, and don't have time fot this shit. WHO is for Falastine? A corrupt debased wog state close to more-or-less westernized Jews?

72 ken  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 7:23:06am

Apparently most of the World, including Shimon Peres.

73 JJ  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 9:13:25am

US Marines turn fire on civilians

I espect these poor souls wish they were as fortunate as the parents of Jessica Lynch.

74 CrudeBoy  Wed, Apr 2, 2003 11:56:33am

On Imus this morning, upon hearing that the Coalition troops had crossed into the Red Zone, Imus said that he hoped they did better than the NY Giants (American Football) last year in the red zone.


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