Dumb like a fox, our President.

Dumb only to those too stupid (and cloudy-brained) to know quiet confidence and savvy manuvering when they see it.

This is too cool for school!

Pipes yesterday said he has "always distinguished between Islam and militant Islam"

im reading his book militant islam reaches america, and this statement could not be more true. He goes out of his way (so to speak) to distinguish between the two.

Hurray!

Now, I would like to see Victor Davis Hansen nominated to be something like, National Security Advisor or the next Sec. of State.

Then all will be a lot closer to right with my world.

Muahahahaha.

"Sun Rises: CAIR Seethes"

"Sun Sets: CAIR Seethes"

By the way, the Senate must confirm Dr. Pipes' appointment.

Write to your Senator and urge them to support the nomination!

Screw Cair-

Now see, I'm consistant, I am not just anti-muslim immigration, I am against any immigration that does not stick to those people who are varifiably in danger of losing their lives due to some sort of political (and I don't mean civil war per se) or ethnic cleansing. So while it was fine for the Mhongs to come here and Eastern European Jews as well as Lebanese christians, it is not all right to import millions of muslims simply because they are poor.

Although News reports suggest that as many as half of all Iraqis in the US want to go back to Iraq once the war is over (hmm, willing to let someone else free their country and then go home to pick the fruits?) is a good sign.

Maybe we could free Mexico from it's tyranical regime next, that would mean if half went home, we could see as many as 20 million going back to Mexico.

:-)

My Boy George scores again.

Now if those bed-wetters in Congress don't ruin it ...

Critical information buried in the last paragraph:

The Senate must approve Pipes' appointment.

Grab a case of Orville's, boys, this is gonna get fun! We're gonna see which Senators are bought and paid for by the Wahabbists!

I can't really see Congress confirming him to be honest. He's way too controversial.

Here is a link with all Senators names and addresses:

[Link: www.senate.gov...]

#10

On deck for this position: Martin Kramer.

Hee hee! I love it. This is just too good to be true. I must be in one of those LGF dream sequences.

OK. I'm pinching myself, but I'm still not waking up.

Wait!

I am awake?!

Hoo hoo!

Beautiful!
Pipes is a serious scholar and a good man. That's quite enough to damn him in the eyes of the Ibrahim Hoopers and Hussein Ibishs of the world.
What a great choice.

#9
Another Bush brushfire to smoke out the snakes and the weasles. Must be a cowboy thing...

Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for CAIR, said in an interview that he was unfamiliar with the institute "but... it [Pipes' nomination] is bad.


OK "Ibrahim," we'll take you seriously as soon as you reveal your real name and resume... something Hooper has refused to do for years.


BTW, I'm pretty certain that Hooper isn't even a US citizen - that he's a CANADIAN.

Good for Daniel Pipes.

G-d Bless George W. Bush

....as they say, CAIR can go bite the wall.

What is it with all these "seething" freakazoids? Do they do anything else but "seethe." They must have permanent cases of agita.

Telling the truth to the left is always controversial to the left. I hope the rabid Jihad supporting Dems of the left (all that remains now of that Party) hold hearings and attempt to "Bork" Daniel Pipes. He will slice and dice them and those hearings will be the stage by which all that is evil about the Islamists is brought out into the light of day. The beauty of it will be that the leftist Dems will have invited it. I cannot wait.

It will also reveal the truth of the Democratic Party to America as the likes of Clinton, Murray, McDermott, Leahy, Corzine and others fall all over themselves as the American defenders of Jihad in their efforts to discredit Pipes.

Bring it, please!

CAIR: "Our faith is one of peace...and we'll cut out your tongue if you say otherwise!"

Ibrahim Hooper = Sgt. Akbar of influence peddlers.

United States Institute of Peace
The United States Institute of Peace is an independent, nonpartisan federal institution created by Congress to promote the prevention, management, and peaceful resolution of international conflicts. Established in 1984, the Institute meets its congressional mandate through an array of programs, including research grants, fellowships, professional training, education programs from high school through graduate school, conferences and workshops, library services, and publications. The Institute's Board of Directors is appointed by the President of the United States and confirmed by the Senate.

#16 adam:

Is "Ibrahim Hooper" that fatso that always gets his ass handed to him on Fox news and MSNBC?

BTW, its a shame that he shares the surname as Mr. Hooper of Sesame Street fame, a great American.

#7-

see, how many of Cairs members are US citizens? I would wager the vast majority are not. Which is my point here, Pipes is an American. Foriegn Nationalists should not have a say in what our government does- absolutly not.

The men formally known as the "Founding Fathers" wrote an awful lot about the adverse effects of foriegn influence in the "Federalist Papers" as well as others. It's the main reason why any gifts to the President or other Federal Officials are banned in the Constitution and must be turned over to the Citizens of the US- despite what Hitlery and Bill Clinton thought, they are usually given to the Smithsonian.

Heh heh.

Eat me, Allah.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) yesterday described Pipes as "the nation's leading Islamophobe" and an advocate for Israeli interests.

Finally, somebody does something right in Washington.

To seethe or not to seethe, that is the question.....

Ahh screw it, let's just seethe constantly

CAIR would find something negative to say about anyone - so we might as well place the best candidate in the position and let them whine about it - maybe we need to drop a MOAB on their headquarters?

I think it's Hussein Ibbish that's the fatso who gets his ass handed to him, if you can ever stop him from talking, on Fox and some of the others who don't allow him to fillibuster to his heart's content.

It doesn't really matter. The Arab apologist talking heads all say the same thing: if Israel would just give back the territories (read "cut their own throats") then all will be well in Wahabbiland.

That wouldnt be the dhimmicratic party you're talking about, would it?

Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for CAIR

Hooper?
Hooper?
Like in Petticoat Junction?
Whatever happened to names like Ramadan, or Hussein, or Shamalamadingdong?

How the Hell can you take an apologist for Islamic terrorists seriously if his name is Mr. freakin' Hooper?

OT

Saddam video and statement...

This is surely one of the body-doubles. This guy seems to be about 5-10 years younger than the real Saddam.

CAIR and others like them-

I'd go even further to suggest that it is unconstitutional for these people to make campaign contributions- as they are foreign nationals, it could be interpreted as a gift from a foreign government. This would be particularly true of the Whabbists who give lots of money to the Democrats. This of course would pertain to any and all those who are not US citizens but are living in this country.

#31 ROFLMAO!

#30 was for #19 BTW

#6 Jeremy D.

By the way, the Senate must confirm Dr. Pipes' appointment.

Write to your Senator and urge support of the nomination.

Worth repeating! Worth doing! Do it now!
[Link: www.senate.gov...]

But this comes as no surprise at all: radical Islamic front group CAIR is blowing a gasket.

Does this mean that by 'blowing a gasket' they could die?
(I have to know so I can book my party planner)

#32-

I was thinking it could have been shot during GW1, myself- there is nothing to indicate that either of the day's video releases are not from then, he could have claimed the same about the Apache then as well.

I see CAIR trying to paint Pipes as an Islamaphobe merely because he has criticisms, and valid criticisms at that. Perfect example as to why the Left and CAIR go hand in hand, they can't handle opposing, critical viewpoints and when it seems they won't get their way they play the race card, or in this case the religion card

This shows Bush in good light. While he may have the Saudis over to the ranch and kick off his shoes at the mosque in D.C.....he really knows who can (Pipes) move forward with national security. I'm glad he respects Pipes, so do I.

"Pipes' nomination sends entirely the wrong message as America seeks to convince Muslims worldwide that the war on terrorism and the war against Iraq are not attacks on Islam"

Freaking out any time someone is critical of militant Islam isn't gonna win too many points either, dumbass.

What do we have to do to eliminate the word "insensitive" from the vocabulary?

I especially like the comment that we'll know pretty quickly which senators may tend to lean to the jihadi side of things.

"It says: 'We're really not concerned with your [Muslims'] sensitivities. We don't care that you perceive certain actions of the U.S. government as slights to your faith and tradition.' "

Yeah. Yeah, that's right. What's the question?

As long as "faith and tradition" include that tired old hadith that says you must convert or kill all non-Muslims, then there needs to be serious attention paid to those faiths and traditions, "sensitivites" be damned.

Join the rest of us in the 21st century (hell, I'd even settle if Islam managed to drag itself into the 10th century) and renounce the ego-centric, xenophobic, extremist ways and you'll have nothing to worry about, will you? But any person or group who proudly proclaims to hold more allegiance to "fellow Arabs" interests than to fellow Americans is suspect in my opinion.

To do list: write my senator in support of Pipes' nomination.

#31 Celissa - Hooper is a convert to Islam.

#33 Robert - Have to include the Republicans on the Wahhabi dole too. See current month article on the House of Saud in the Atlantic.

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Does anyone know how government officials respond to e-mail vs. snail mail? I know that some organizations take snail mail far more seriously than e-mail because of the effort it takes to sit down and write a long-hand letter - so 100 paper letters are more persuasive than 100 e-mails.

#44
Snopes

I figured that much.
I was making a joke.

Hopefully having a more official position will serve to make DP safer. The violent types will think twice about trying to take out a government guy rather than just some writer from Philly.

Also good to know that GWB is clear on the concept that the RoP isn't. I hope this appointment doesn't mean another mosque visit is in the offing for political "balance" for the President though.

#44 snopes Snail mail usually results in a response written by one of their staffers several months after your letter is received. e-mail is now given the same weight, from what I understand.

#44 Snopes

For what I found when I lobbied St. Paul for Higher Education the majority of senators and representatives responded more actively to email because of the ease of response and how many they could check quickly. This, however, is on the state level and in MN. I would assume that national politicians would act similarly.

This is huge. If his confirmation goes through (which I feel sure it will), it will be an enormous gain for the cause of peace on earth and good will toward non-sociopathic Muslims.

A big ol' chesire grin all over my funny face!

Seriously, if you were granted three wishes, that would have to be high on the list. (Closely followed by bringing the "Rear Window"-era Grace Kelly back to life.)

Joined Pipes' Middle East Forum a few weeks ago here in Philly b/c I'm so impressed with the guy.

Amazing times.

Here's DeLay talking about America's sacred bond with Israel:

[Link: www.washtimes.com...]

#3
I'll second that. But it's "Hanson," dude. Not Hansen.

#44-

I know, it disgusted me- I worked hard, very hard on Colman's campaign and hope that I made my feelings clear on all of that. Wellstone took alot from the local Muslim organisations.

the same was said by CAIR and their ilk about Steven Emerson years ago, now he's in great demand by the U.S. congress and media. As I have always said, the truth is out there.

See what happens when Islamic Fundamentalists (terrorists) offend OUR sensibilities? Can't be bad.

This is a very good sign that Bush has heard what Pipes has to say.

In David Frum's The Right Man, he relates that after 9/11 Bush had seveal presentations on the Middle-East put forth by the various departments within the administration.

The State Department forwarded a John Esposito-like "scholar" who basically said that the way to win over the Arab world was to cease supporting Israel and to send them aid.

The Defense Department submitted Bernard Lewis. Lewis' view carried the day, and we shortly off to destroy the Taliban.

Bush's words often sound wobbly, and Powell does a lot of freelancing (as confirmed by Frum), but Bush knows the truth. The question is will he act on it.

Warthog-

What do we have to do to eliminate the word "insensitive" from the vocabulary?

keep voting for those people who refuse to let emotions enter the political discourse- while that is nearly impossible, the emotion I'm referring to is guilt-

Americans are told we "owe" the 3rd something, we "owe" it because we are so wealthy that we should feel "guilty".

Americans are told we must open our boarders, after all, we have so much wealth here that we should feel "guilty" Guilt guilt guilt guilt.

Except I'm damned if I can find anything to feel guilty with regards to 3rd world poverty.

Sensitivity-

Same as above- because we re so wealthy, we tend to be culturally chauvinistic, so we must be "sensitive' to these other cultures, while we in turn feel "guilty" for our own cultural chauvinism. This follows along with the argument that our own culture is the reason for 3rd world poverty.

#51

Interestingly enough Wellstone was Jewish who took money from those groups (wasn't aware of that part). Coleman is a well-known fence sitter who flip-flops often. Lets hope all Minnesotan LGFers can convince him one way on this issue. I am going to try and organize a letter, or email writing campaign through the WSU CRs to get to Norm. Last time I tried to drop him a line he didn't have an email addy.

In the last two years, the media has reported that Bush is a puppet of someone from his excellent administration: Condy, Rumsfield, Powell, etc. I wonder who it will be now. I can’t wait for the Peter Jennings exclusive on how the Zionist entity is now running the white house. Oh maybe a Dan Rather quote, “Our good ol boy jumped so fast at the Jews, he made a flea bitten kangaroo look like the bronze medal winner from last years Special Olympics High jumping contest.” Oh and even better are all the skulls full of mush at my college that will be lecturing me in their perfect vally girl accent on how this latest shigananon is just the latest attempt at the Bush administration to crush the Islamic peoples of the world, poor, virtuous, and peaceful as they are. And the embittered college proffs can begrudge Bush for preemptively murdering millions of brown skinned peoples with the policies that are sure to result from his selection. Maybe our protestor friends will start another round of selected not elected. I am seriously beginning to wonder if Bush thanks god for his opponents every night. I sure would. Rush is predicting the democratic death for at least a generation coming to an election near you. I’d be happy, if I weren’t so damn mad over all the idiocy

Pipes fan! Go Dan Pipes!

--Muslims, hello? you've screwed yourselves for another few hundred years, oops. No one's going to want to hire you, or talk to you or trust you.

No one wants to play, 'watch out for the exploding jihadi'

sorry...

I'll bet money that the Democrats in the senate block the nomination. They're too wedded to the multicultual, p.c. notion of victimization of minorities. The left was among the first to suspect that anti-Islamic attacks would arise after 9/11, and when they didn't, liberals almost seemed disappointed. Mark my words, they'll take this nomination as another "stealth" candidate by the Bush administraton and will kill it.

And because this is relatively minor, the public will not even notice. Hell, no one even notices that the democrats are blocking all Circuit Court judges at this time too. No one will notice if Pipes is Borked, which is unfortunate.

Now the pressure will start to have a Muslim on the board too. CAIR is so predictable and loathesome.

For some CAIR context:

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"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future."

   - Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on
     American-Islamic Relations

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

Exploding Jihadi? If the Jihadi's think they've got their collective tits in America's wringer now, they'd better hope to Allah that one of their illiterate self detonators doesn't pull a stunt on American soil.....then we'll see Pipes as Secretary of State.

I e-mailed my Senator, Kay Bailey "big Hair" Hutchinson right in the middle of the Trent Lott fiasco and got a snail-mail response.... last week.

Sent my Pipes support e-mail off to her just now. I agree that CAIR will complain about anyone that doesnt spout their line, so do the right thing and get on with it.

Is there a link to a seething FAQ? It sounds like a cross between a slow angry break dance and a conga line.

Tom

Woo hoo! That's great! The nomination I mean, not those lying hypocrite fascists ranting on again about "Islamophobia", the freakin' nerve.

#2: "He goes out of his way (so to speak) to distinguish between the two. "

Yeah, exactly.... even too much sometimes. Well ok he's being fair, and actually sensitive... and that's what he gets from CAIR. Psychotic knee jerk reactions. Who do they think they are to dictate what Bush should do?

I still think we should figure out how to harness all the energy wasted by the seethers. The only problem is this would give them control of the world supply of seeth. Theres more wine in the arab countries then in France.

I think Pipes has an easier path through the Senate than any judge: by connection to the War on Terror the issue has higher visibility, and I doubt many Dems are stupid enough to put themselves on the chopping block for a terror-connected group like CAIR.

If they are, of course, 2004 should be even more fun...

Assuming that Pipes is called to testify at confirmation hearings, they should really be something to watch. Challenging him on the Middle East is like challenging Patton to a tank battle. It's going to be better television than a Rumsfeld press conference.

My senators are Hillary and Schumer. I might write to Hillary. She bends to public opinion like an undernourished jellyfish.

Despite mine and some others' views, President Bush is still determined to continue making the distinction between militant and moderate Islam. It probably is the best approach, because when coupled with the use of accurately directed military force, it sends a message.

The reception and interpretation of that message is dependent on the recipients. Hopefully, in time, they will equate the cost of jihad as exceeding the benfits.

Islam by degrees. It seems to a non-muslim that there must be a point beyond which the faith cannot be practiced. It also seems impossible to create that distinction, yet continue to believe in the overall unity of the ummah.

This distinction of depth of belief is central to the resolution of this great conflict. Though we get angry and vocalize destructive wishes, in the real world we will have to define this separation in order to avoid a greater level of violence. CAIR is faling in their duty to muslims and the country by refusing to recognize this and assisting, if not leading, in this ideological-theological exploration.

Therefore, non-muslims, such as Dr. Pipes, and others, will attempt to define these concepts from outside the muslim world.

Is there a press release regarding this nomination ?

Here's one of my two (e-mail) letters:

Dear Senator Sarbanes:

I urge you to support the nomination of Daniel Pipes to the board of the U.S. Institute of Peace. He is an honest, intelligent scholar who has been speaking the truth about militant Islam for years while always distinguishing between Islam and militant Islam. Do not be misled by the false claims and slanders made by CAIR and other advocacy groups. As Mr. Pipes said, "CAIR repeatedly chooses to ignore my assertion that militant Islam is the problem and modern Islam is the solution."

He will make an excellent and important addition to the board of the U.S. Institute of Peace.

Sincerely,
Ron Weiner

[I put my letter to Senator Mikulski under the heading of "MIDEAST" -- but "Foreign Policy" was the closest topic I could find on Senator Sarbanes' website.]

I don't agree completely with Pipes - I've read a lot of his work, but I believe he makes an artificial distinction between "fundamentalist" Islamicism and normative Islam. IMO, ALL Islam, save Sufis, are who we are 'talkin' to'. I'll believe in a 'moderate' Islam when I see "them" renounce JIHAD! {or redefine it, meaningfully, and in great numbers!}

That said: - Whoo Hoooooo!! :-) Go Dubya!

Finally a chance for some decent scholarship to drive Administration Policy....

I'm Canadian (blush!), so no point me writing the Senators - C'mon US of A guys! - get those 'send' buttons clickin'!!

#61 William

Not only "No", but "Hell, no!"

what wouldnt I give to hear someone ask Mr. Hooper about how his group offends American 'sensitivites'...

Unsurprisingly the folks at CAIR are urging their supporters to fight the Pipes nomination...

President Bush asked to rescind nomination of Islamophobe
[Link: www.cair-net.org...]

OMFG!!!

That Pipes nomination is the best news I've read in a long time!

Tee Hee.

I wonder what John Esposito (AKA Jihad Johnny of Georgetown U) will say about this?

Re: Pipes' distinction between 'real' Islam and fundamentalist Wahabbism.

The way I say it there's one of two possibilites.

1. He is right. He'll forget more about the subject than most of us will ever learn.

2. He (and probably also W.) are giving a hint when they speak about moderate Islam "hey fellas, here's your out; sieze the lifeline we're tossing you -- or else".

Either one is fine.

#56-

Norm is married to a conservative Catholic from St. louis Park, I have friends who know her family well. My son used to hang out with Norm's from time to time, Norm sent his son to a very conservative, non-denominational religous school in Bloomington.

I first had contact with Meschie (sp) back in 1995 or a public works snafu

contact Coleman

I grew up not far (2 blocks east) of Colemans house on Oceola Ave.- I watched it burn one night when I was around 6 years old.

I contacted both of my Senators.

Unsurprisingly the folks at CAIR are urging their supporters to fight the Pipes nomination...

yeppers, seeking to thwart the will of the public is nothing new for foreign interests.

they ought to get Lee Harris as second in command or on the team too!

just get everyone in america who sees the dumb shit muslims for exactly what they are...

whoooo weeee! baby!

(that's a northerner's rebel yell)

#72 Tiburon

I'm Canadian (blush!), so no point me writing the Senators - C'mon US of A guys! - get those 'send' buttons clickin'!!

I'm not so sure that non-citizens need refrain from expressing their view. We're all in this world together, and American policy is the most important in the world. (Like it or not, France!)

I've already written to my two senators and intend to write to the other 80 as well. Why not? The form asks me what state I'm from, so it's clearly not unexpected.

Go 'head, Canadian, express your view. Then you won't need to blush. :-)

Off topic but nice:

Another pro-US rally in Toronto (via Instapundit):

[Link: www.canada.com...]

Dear Mr. Ibrahim Hooper:

I am really not concerned with your Muslim sensitivities. I don't care that you perceive certain actions of the U.S. government as slights to your faith and tradition.

First, I do not believe you sincerely perceive actions of the U.S. government as slights to your faith and tradition.

Second, if the U.S. government were to only take actions that you did not perceive as slights to your faith and tradition, I suspect your perceptions would only become more sensitive until we reached the point where the U.S. government is effectively hamstrung and under your control.

So, don't be so sensitive.

Sincerely,

T. Lawrence Schmere.

If this had an audience it would be the ANTI-LGF. It countains distortions, questionable sources, and US/Israel bashing...

[Link: www.meehawl.com...]

He doesn't like opposing view points, so he might block you IP if you disagree as well.

Late to the party, but I just voiced my support for D.P to my Senators - Coleman and ....that other guy. Now I can go back and read what's going on.

Tangential, if not OT:

I was checking out the homepage of CAIR. The first link listed in "Other Headlines" is this, an article on the two Israeli journalists detained in Iraq a few days ago.

That's the difference -- ok, there are many -- between CAIR and a principled anti-discrimination organization like ADL. If ADL were taking a position on a comparable story (e.g., the detention of Arab or Muslim journalists), it would be speaking out in favor of the civil rights of the journalists. But for CAIR, it's not about principle, it's about agenda.

There's no question that they delight in the detention of the Israelis, and they hope that their readers will think the Israelis were up to no-good. Yet if the journalists were Arabs or Muslims, there can be no doubt what CAIR's response would be.

Hint: it would involve seething.

#83 - lurker
All right, I'll give it a try!
Dear Senator "x",
As a Canadian who fully supports and appreciates the efforts and sacrifice being made by the USA to stand up to pandemic Islamic "fundamentalism", I wish to urge you to work to ensure ratification of the appointment of Professor Daniel Pipes, the noted Islamic scholar, to the US Institute of Peace.
His insight and understanding will be a great boon to crafting Administration policy as you in the USA prosecute this war.
I hope that soon you will have Canada firmly and officially expressing our fraternal responsibility to the struggle.
Sincerely,
etc...

Just sent my email to my Senators; although I have the "pleasure" of being represented by Cantwell and Murray. I guess I could get lucky and they'll fold to their constituent's opinions, but I think the next best thing is for Murray to show what she's made of by opposing Mr. Pipes.

10 to 15%? That sounds pretty conservative to me.

Thanks for the heads up Charles. I wrote to my two Congressmen. Unfortunately their both Democrats and in this state they are extremely partisan. We have a new governor, first female but also first Republican in over 50 years! Already she's having problems with our predominantly Demo legislature and it's on common sense stuff too! These guys are hardcore, very pro-union, anti small business (which of course is what I am!) In other words, they're still living in the dark ages.

Hey, but one can only hope there's a glimmer of hope!

Well Charles:

For all the good it will do, I did write to my INCREDIBLY LIBERAL senators (Clinton & Schumer) (yes, I live in NY) and asked them politely to support the fair and knowledgable Professor Pipes. Hope it helps.

Although I share the fears that the Pipes nomination will become Estrada-like, there are several Democrats who will vote for Pipes.

For example, I don't see how a pro-Israel Senator could possibly vote against Pipes, yet the same Senator would have no problem voting against Estrada. Foreign policy issues can often break party lines. I bet Billary will even vote for him. Apart from the Moran's and the McKinney's there are (baruch hashem) still not many in Congress who will openly support CAIR, and vote their party line.

CAIR opposes every pro-Israel piece of legislation, and such bills consistently get a resounding majority of the votes in the Senate.

Don't get me wrong, Democratic hate for Bush is a strong incentive for the them oppose, if not fillibuster anything Bush does, but I am hopeful on this one. (Yes Lichty with optimism -- it is not a mirage).

Sensitivity? Just a little reality check.

#95 Teacake

Hardly room in that pie for the Jews, eh? Just a little sliver, like the little sliver of Israel's Land.

Thanks for the reality check - "sensitivity" to Islam, indeed....

I just viewed a little of the "Saddam walks around" video. What a farce, there is one scene where "he" pushes the fake moustache back onto his lip.
Has anyone else seen it and wants to comment?

On topic- Great for Daniel Pipes! What a guy.

CAIR, Bought, brought, and paid for by the wahabi House of al Saud.

#61

"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future."

- Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on
American-Islamic Relations

Tell us something we don't know, Hooper you stupid fuck.

It's WWIV.
Civilization versus Jihad.
If we would just start dipping bullets in pig's blood and make sure these assholes see us do it, this war would be over a lot quicker.
Bomb their asses with bacon.
Bury them with a ham sandwich.

If these loony birds think Allah won't let them in to the Muslim Mustang Ranch in Paradise, they'll stop acting like stupid little retarded children and fucking behave.

Dan Pipes, like having a compass to lead you through the wilderness.

Yup, this move was done deliberately.

I hope the Senate doesn't obstruct Pipes' nomination like they've been doing to the nominees to the federal bench.

Let Mr. Hooper know how you feel. Here is his contact info:

CAIR - Ibrahim Hooper at 202-488-8787 or 202-489-5108.
email: cair1@ix.netcom.com

I fanything I think sometimes that Pipes is too solicitous of Islam. I don't think that he says what he truly knows to be true a la Oriana Fallaci, that most Muslims by virtue of the Koran are bound to be fundamentalists.

Senators Chambliss & Miller of Georgia have both recieved e-mails from me, supporting Dr. Pipe's nomination.

"To hell with CAIR!
To hell with Hooper!
Clean 'em out with a pooper
Scooper!"

More Friday sermons from the great religion of peace.

Speaking of peace check out this temper tantrum by assad.

How stupid are the Hoopers/Ibishs in the USA ?...You'd think after Sami's arrest, Dr Pipes nomination, and FBI monitoring of every mosque in the country (just to name what little I know !), they'd be running back to wherever they came from !!!!

Ha....Don't they realize this is just the beginning, much like the operation in Iraq is just the beginning !!!!???

Some people just don't get it...They don't realize the depths of anger, and resolve, of the USA post 9/11 !?

I'm hoping they soon will !

(Yes Lichty with optimism -- it is not a mirage).

Does that extend to the Wild's playoff chances?

How's the boy?

#106

these people live in a bizzaro universe, all they are concerned with is their entitlement...

listening to the irish guy,

I always got the impression he was on the terrorist exchange program

...maybe it's just me

selpaw.......from the cretin Assad

"…None of us and none of the Arabs trust Israel. It is natural that we should always expect an Israeli attack, even when it does not threaten. It should be known that Israel is based on treachery. This is a point to be considered thoroughly. We are dealing with treachery and threats, which accompanied the establishment of Israel.

Since its very inception, Israel has been a threat. It is the Israeli nature, and for that Israel was established. Based on this understanding of Israel's nature and role, we should deal with the possibility of protracted aggression…Israel does not care about the international public opinion.

The U.S. is unable to reign it in; to the contrary, the Israelis are the ones who control [the U.S.] now through their lobby. The most important issue, as far as we are concerned, is that our position is just, and we should explain it… Secondly, we should prepare ourselves to be ready to deal with any Israeli attack. This point does not need any analysis. This is what we have done in Syria throughout history…"

....mass psychosis.....bring in the psychiatrists..

103 Joel

me too

I wrote to Clinton and Schumer too. Perhaps wrote too much, but what the heck.

Oh, and I'm going to use snail mail, because I'm beginning to believe that email to officials is not taken as seriously.

Here's my longwinded spiel:

On April 2, 2003 a number of nominations were sent to the Senate. Among them was one for Daniel Pipes to be a Member of the Board of Directors of the United States Institute of Peace. As one of your constituents, I strongly urge you to approve his nomination.

There are groups such as the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) that have called Mr. Pipes “an Islamophobe.” Nothing could be further from the truth. “He does not bash Muslims,” said Tashbih Sayyed, editor and publisher of Pakistan Today, based in Fontana, Calif. “What he attacks is a fascist interpretation of Islam. Daniel Pipes, to me, is the voice of reason. Only time will tell—and God forbid that time tells—what will happen if we ignore a voice like Daniel Pipes’.”

Mr. Pipes wrote on his web site:

CAIR represents not the great civilization of Islam but a radical utopian movement originating in the Middle East that seeks to impose its ways on the United States. Americans should consider themselves warned: a new danger exists in their midst.

CAIR also has a history of vituperation and aggressiveness against anyone who opposes its Islamist vision for the United States. In my case, it has sent out nearly a hundred tirades impugning my reputation since July 1999. These have landed everywhere from the op-ed page of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune to the hands of street picketers in Washington, D.C. and Cornell University.

He then goes on to refute CAIR’s slanderous claims. You can see for yourself at [Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

Mr. Pipes’ credentials are impeccable. The Wall Street Journal has called him "an authoritative commentator on the Middle East." MSNBC describes him as one of the best-known "Mideast policy luminaries." Canada's National Post notes that "If the world had acted on his warnings, Sept. 11 might never have happened."

He received his A.B. (1971) and Ph.D. (1978) from Harvard University, both in history. He spent six years studying abroad, including three years in Egypt. Mr. Pipes speaks French, and reads Arabic and German. He has taught at the University of Chicago, Harvard University, and the U.S. Naval War College. He has served in various capacities at the Departments of State and Defense, including vice chairman of the presidentially-appointed Fulbright Board of Foreign Scholarships.

Mr. Pipes frequently discusses current issues on television, appearing on such programs as ABC World News, CBS Reports, Crossfire, Good Morning America, NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, Nightline, O'Reilly Factor, and The Today Show. He has lectured in twenty-five countries.

Mr. Pipes has published in such magazines as the Atlantic Monthly, Commentary, Foreign Affairs, Harper's, National Review, New Republic, and The Weekly Standard. Many newspapers carry his articles, including the Los Angeles Times, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, another seventy dailies, plus hundreds of websites. His writings have been translated into eighteen languages.

Mr. Pipes has written eleven books. Four deal with Islam: Militant Islam Reaches America (2002), The Rushdie Affair (1990), In the Path of God (1983), and Slave Soldiers and Islam (1981).

Three books concern Syria: Syria Beyond the Peace Process (1996), Damascus Courts the West (1991), and Greater Syria (1990).

Three deal with other Middle Eastern topics: The Hidden Hand (1996) analyses the way Arabs and Iranians see themselves and the outside world. The Long Shadow (1989) contains essays on a variety of Middle Eastern topics. An Arabist's Guide to Colloquial Egyptian (1983) systematizes the grammar of Arabic as spoken in Egypt.

Once again, I urge you to support this nomination.

Sincerely,

#99

If they shut down Allah's whorehouse they'd just be seething in their pants.....

#113

If they shut down Allah's whorehouse they'd just be seething in their pants.....

That's just....just...

oooooooohhhhh, sticky!

Islamic Pocket Pool!
BLEEEEEECH!

Apparently, Iraqi TV is showing video of two women who claimed to be "suicide"--read homicide--bombers.
Quite possibly the skanks that killed 3 SF guys by waving for help at a checkpoint. One of them appeared to be pregnant.

Well, look at the bright side.

If they keep sending the chicks (like the Jordyptians have started doing), it helps shut down the terrorist baby factories.

Just sayin'.

#114

But Fatimah the goat could finally get some sleep.....

I certainly hope Pipes will be confirmed, but I’m not going to get my hopes up with the current crop of Democrats infesting the Senate. I can’t remember who said it, and it’s not an exact quote, but I’m convinced most Democrats in the House and Senate feel that “it’s better to not do the right thing, than to let the right thing be done by the wrong people.”

I e-mailed this to both of my Virginian senators:

As a voting-age Virginia resident, I request that you support President Bush's nomination of Daniel Pipes to the board of the U.S. Institute of Peace. Mr. Pipes is a very intelligent and rational man with a strong grasp of the situations currently facing America; once placed in this position, he would be an even greater asset to the nation than he is now.

Contrary to the statements of his detractors, Mr. Pipes is not an Islamophobe. He has an understanding of both the benign and the dangerous elements of Islam, and is careful to distinguish between the two. His knowledge of the subject is needed, particularly in this time when the militant side of Islam poses such a threat to the country.

Wow. I thought this was an April Fool's joke.

Pipes is the right man for the job. His nomination signals a very low tolerance for b-llshit, though, so I hope Bush appoints a "good cop" or two to encourage the various corrupt regimes to keep doing business with us.

May Gawd bless the Neo-con goverment takeover. Invade the world!

It takes a truly interesting read of history to come up with the idea that anti-war protests are meant to stop once a war begins...

Tell me what you think...

I wrote a letter to my senators.

linking to the CAIR website...they have absolutely NOTHING on Sami AL Carrion.(sic), the Buffalo 6, the bomber in Baghdad, the shooter in Virginia...etc

abslutely NOTHING....

losts of whining about muslims getting dirty looks in supermarkets...

i.e. muslim soldier who threw grenade at his Officers in Iraq....

I l-o-v-e this blog.

Daniel is my man.

#121
Yeah
Sure
Riiiiiiiiiiight

Quit trying to build traffic to your weak website.
Go protest with the Indymedia idiots.
They're your type.

#87 I believe the name of our other Minnesota senator is Comrade Mark Marshall-Fields. ( :) )

#94--Billary. I blew snot out of my nose laughing ! I thought Hitlery was a good one, but yours is a more accurate representation of reality.

Daniel Pipes. Way too cool. Good Luck !
Senatorial emails being composed now....

OT Akbar charged with murder.

Fay:

I like the Wild's chances in the first round if they face the Canucks :-)

Baby is great. Perhaps new fatherhood is the reason for the new-found optimism.

OT: ProtestWarrior has a description up on a Support the Troops Rally they attended on 3/29.
ProtestWarrior

I sent the following to Senators Allen and Warner (R-VA) both:

Dear Senator Allen/Warner,

I am writing to ask that you support President Bush's nomination of Daniel Pipes to the board of the U.S. Institute of Peace despite the objections of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

Dr. Pipes received his Ph.D. in 1978 at Harvard University and has written and studied on Near Eastern issues for two decades now. His works include:
Slave Soldiers and Islam (1981)
In the Path of God (1983)
An Arabist's Guide to Colloquial Egyptian (1983)
The Long Shadow (1989)
The Rushdie Affair (1990)
Damascus Courts the West (1991)
Syria Beyond the Peace Process (1996)
The Hidden Hand (1996)
Militant Islam Reaches America (2002)

He has been published in magazines and journals such as the Atlantic Monthly, Commentary, Foreign Affairs, Harper's, National Review, New Republic, and The Weekly Standard. Many newspapers carry his articles, including the Los Angeles Times, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, another seventy dailies, plus hundreds of websites.

He has appeared on TV shows, including ABC World News, CBS Reports, Crossfire, Good Morning America, NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, Nightline, O'Reilly Factor, and The Today Show.

He has taught at the University of Chicago, Harvard University, and the U.S. Naval War College. He has served in various capacities at the Departments of State and Defense, including vice chairman of the presidentially-appointed Fulbright Board of Foreign Scholarships.

While CAIR claims that he is an Islamophobe, a perusal of his writings such as those that can be found at his website [Link: www.danielpipes.org...] show this to be a lie. He is critical of certain forms of Islamic Fundamentalism, popularly referred to as Islamofascism, an aggressive, anti-democratic and militant program to impose extremist interpretations of Sharia on various nations worldwide.

I believe he is very qualified to serve on the board of this institution. Thus, I urge you once again, to support his nomination when it is brought before the Senate for confirmation.

Many thanks in advance,

Calixto M. Lopez

I'll admit I used some of the information in Growler's letter on Dr. Pipe's qualifications to bolster my case. :)

celissa...I'm not a lefty liberal you bitch, so check your facts before you post your f@#king trash

go liberty...libertarian style

Hooray! Pipes is my Hero

ed. note this was received via angel telegram

Oh, and letters sent.

I know you don't know how to read though, or treat a topic for exactly what is asks...

...if you're out there, and opposed to big government war economy intervention, why stop when the war starts?

Calixto:

I'll admit I ripped that info off from Pipes's website.

:)

oops...now I'm doing it

simple question. regardless of your position, why stop protesting once the war starts? as opposed to before?

isn't this is an odd read of history? think Vietnam, and when the protests occurred then...

#132 Freelixir

bIGgOVERNMENTwAReCONOMYiNTERVENTION?????

Go Blow Leif Utne

my senators are Botox Boxer and China Feinstein. Might as well write off Cali, as usual. :-(

Hey uzidoesit, are you just ignorant or are you not aware that Rumsfeld and his like have, and always have, believed in military spending and arms trading as boosters for the economy?

I'd call you a dunce, but maybe you're not aware of this...and as for any other flamer haters on this forum, if you challenge me without facts I will come back with authoritative links to this fact and reality of American foreign and domestic policy...

...I won't bother right now though, because it's common knowledge...

...and by the way all, I'm against any planned intrusion into free markets. Republicans and Democrats are hypocrites both, and the Greens clearly in opposition to leaving the economy alone

the invisible hand is quite different than the grabbing behind-the-scenes hands of the neocons

I like the Wild's chances in the first round if they face the Canucks :-)

Oh very funny :-0
Thx for the pics, I've emailed you.

Who--or what--do you consider to be "the invisible hand" ? Are you referring to Adam Smith's definition? Your post (#141) is nonsensical written as it is.

NYA NYA NYA NYA NYA !!!!!!

liberty, libertarian style

is pretty nonsensical too

well OK, maybe if you think unprincipled shortcuts actually work, then replace nonsensical with delusional

freelixir,

So you're opposed to government having any role in defense? That's an interesting position.

Throughout the history of history, the first role of governments has been to protect their people. Many libertarians love John Stuart Mill, and I'm a big fan as well, but you wouldn't have found him arguing that the government shouldn't have a role in defense, I'd wager.

Hey, as long as you're writing letters, why not send another?

Those TrueMajority schmucks want to deluge our representatives with faxes demanding we "1) ensure that our nation partners fully with the United Nations in all humanitarian work in Iraq, and 2) provide the humanitarian resources needed to inspire awe even among our enemies."

I'm all for two, but not one. UN? feh.

Thankfully, the letter on their webpage is customizable. One could, say, go to the web page and rewrite the letter, politely, to state that the UN and the Coalition of the Unwilling should be left out of things.

If one happened to find the web page.

Ariel, where and when did I say we should not spend on defense? I'm merely saying that we should not count on military spending and favors to the arms industry to boost the economy...

liberty, libertarian style, is meant to differentiate from the concept of liberty as conceived by advocates of big government, whether on left or right. Which is a pain in the ass.

and yes my fellow capitalists, when I speak of "the invisible hand" I am speaking of Adam Smith. I'm sure everyone but you Yossarian figured that out...

I gues the Catch-22 is that to allow the invisible hand to operate is to not push your morals and rules onto people and their economic exchanges

that's a very hard concept to understand, especially for a lot of the folks around here, who seem pretty high-minded about what's right for everybody and contribute to what best can be called an underlying current of moral fascism

of course, I know it's just fear, and loathing, and self-hatred that taint what would otherwise be a health expression of support for freedom, justice, and the American Way

By the way, the Senate must confirm Dr. Pipes' appointment.

Write to your Senator and urge them to support the nomination!

I did!!!

Grab this.

for you military spenders, it may not work anyway

enquirer.com...]>

here's the link to the dirt

More evidence of the UN's terminal dementia: They are whining about British troops standing by while gleeful Iraqis loot Ba'ath party offices and the homes of noted saddamite goons.
What torture chamber?
And these are the people the weasels want in charge of rebuilding Iraq.

the invisible hand is quite different than the grabbing behind-the-scenes hands of the neocons

Grab this.

As a matter of fact, freelixir, I thought that was what you meant. Your random mention of the neocons threw me, and I wanted to know exactly what you meant so I could challenge you with facts for what you said, not for what you didn't say. I merely wanted clarification. Is that all right???

my bad Yossarian, right after you I read #145 from "r", and fell into a persecution complex...

bring on your comments

Baby Assad speaks (from 105, selpaw):

It should be known that Israel is based on treachery. This is a point to be considered thoroughly. We are dealing with treachery and threats, which accompanied the establishment of Israel. Since its very inception, Israel has been a threat. It is the Israeli nature, and for that Israel was established.

This guy is a menace. I'm looking forward to his demise.

and Jim, you're a sage, and eagle, and a patriot. not to mention a lady...

Put two letters printed on actual paper in the mail complete with $.37 stamps (heavy duty fancy vellum with a waterprint, at that). Some place along the way I remember reading that an actual letter carries more weight than e-mails. However, I may go back and e-mail the other senators not from my state.

(One of my senators is Jewish. I'm not sure about the other. I hope she doesn't recuse herself.)

freelixer:

... are you just ignorant or are you not aware that Rumsfeld and his like have, and always have, believed in military spending and arms trading as boosters for the economy?

Actually, military spending does boost the economy. It would be quite ignorant to think otherwise.

Let me guess. You've been a libertarian since last Tuesday. Or you're one of those NORML libertarians who eats a whole pan of special brownies before sitting down to write something.

whoooo! weeee! baby!

moral fascism?

what's at?

is that like moral ownership of the means of production?

Oh...OK

well Glen, I'm wondering what you've been smoking, and I'm guessing the glass dick. check my link earlier you socialist, for doubts about effectiveness of military spending in this conflict, but let's not get away from what I'm talking about.

hands off the economy stupid! and what do you mean last Tuesday...I'm sure I've been libertarian since at least last week. you're pretty funny, y'know that?

what do you know of my background chump?

walk the walk

Neocon profiteers?

So Clinton(D) didn't put billions of tax dollars into Enron?
So McAuliffe(DNC) didn't make millions off of Global Crossing?
So that wasn't the CEO of WorldCom hanging out with Clinton(D) in all those pics and staying at the Whitehouse?
So Sen Corzine(D) didn't buy his way into the Senate with the most expensive campaign in history with ill-gotten gains from manipulated gains from IPO's at Goldman-Sachs?

Smoke another bowl lefty... the stock market bubble was inflated further by a whorish culture of purchased priviledge where the SEC rules weren't enforced and Clintonista goon Janet Reno wouldn't investigate you.

Of course the market crashed down after the Dummocrit shills were out of office... because the lies were being called!

You'd blame a cop for arresting the burglar?

Of course you would because as you are completely ignorant of the facts so you argue with unsubstantiated accusations because that's all you have LEFT.

[ notice the clever pun ;) I have to point this out because marxists have no sense of humor and it would be lost on them without the grade-school level explanation... watch me serve up the next witicism... ]

We're called the RIGHT because we are...

it means "r" that freedom for you comes after being an American, and your moral beliefs, not before

the Declaration of Independence is the basis of my morality, as a red-blooded, full-on American, and freedom lends legitimacy and justification for our country, not the other way around...

speak real

danegerus, a guru you are not you profiteer of the market of obliviousness

1. I do not support Clinton...so take that to someone who gives a shit

2. Your last statement proves my point...you are self-righteous and obviously a fool if you think the SEC is a moral force of nature under our current gov't...it's Bush's lay boy at Enron who's the crook

3. witty you are not

thanks

Freelixer, you write like an illiterate Arab.

Are you really a GoatHumper, or are you just woozy from swilling Leif Utne's jism?

racism is unamerican and an affront to free society babymythatsyassiryouradumbass!

I believe the rest of the board can understand my refusal to answer freelixir.

His attacks on other posters speak for themselves.

It's nice to know that it doesn't stop at me being called a bitch.

Barely literate, college freshman quasi-libertarianism at it's best.

CAIR: cockroaches scattering from the light........

#168

Bingo Celissa!

excuse me celissa? I call them as I see them...see your response to me (#121)

quasi-libertarianism...college freshman...who's the little kid lashing out at the world with phrases like "terrorist baby factories"? (#115)

I'm responding to attacks, and debating you on your own ground, and am willing to hear opinions other than my own, informed opinions, and you're not your little brand of racist and confused hatred celissa

where exactly am I "attacking" when I'm not disrespected first?

walk the walk

People, must I remind you again of TWO SIMPLE FACTS:

1) GAZE
2) There is some question as to whether Mr. Holland's Opus is simply the best movie ever filmed - or at least the best movie without Barbra Streisand.

always jumping on other people's ideas aren't we calixto?

comment on the "substance" of my original post(s)

#121, 140, 148, 152, 162, 164

and if you're going to talk trash to me, I'm going to talk it back. what are you...children? hyprocrites?

talk trash and be ready to take same

freelixer says:

racism is unamerican and an affront to free society

Is that in the Declaration of Independence somewhere? Or just your holier-than-thou proclamation?

Back OT folks - out of the sandbox!

where exactly am I "attacking" when I'm not disrespected first?

I must have stepped on some toes when I called that site "weak".

Jeez. Some people are so touchy.

I guess describing someone's site--which states that "peace" protests that include the items that I referenced in my post #121 are"support for the troops"--as weak, merits my being called a bitch.

Well, how about I just live up to those expectations and say:
CRAM IT WITH WALNUTS BUDDY!

Sincerely,
Celissa
LGF Bitch

'Course, I do tend to agree with Celissa.... :-)

#172

2) There is some question as to whether Mr. Holland's Opus is simply the best movie ever filmed - or at least the best movie without Barbra Streisand.

I haven't watched a Richard D. movie since "What About Bob?".

I keep hearing that evil, loony laugh, and seeing him strapping Bill Murray with TNT.

It scared me!

LOL

Me, I find myself inordinately happy!....about this Daniel P appointment...
Hope it pans out..."while stars sit at bars and decide what they're drinkin'" ...

#179

I've got my fingers crossed.
I think there has been a fundamental shift in the thinking of the American public since 9/11.

Things that never concerned Americans before--at least not regular, everyday, non-politico persons--are of great interest now.

People are realizing that there is a whole culture that is built upon hate, death, and religious zealotry that rewards both.

I have a feeling that Daniel Pipes will get through.

#172

"It's not about the direction you take. It's about the direction you give"

So, so true..

freelixir - what's your take on the Dreyfuss Affair?

I'm not a lefty liberal you bitch,

I know you don't know how to read though

are you just ignorant

of course, I know it's just fear, and loathing, and self-hatred that taint

and Jim, you're a sage, and eagle, and a patriot. not to mention a lady...

well Glen, I'm wondering what you've been smoking, and I'm guessing the glass dick

danegerus, a guru you are not you profiteer of the market of obliviousness

babymythatsyassiryouradumbass!

I'm going to talk it back. what are you...children? hyprocrites?

Why are the lefties just so bitter that they insist on insults and call it "debating you on your own ground?"

#178 Celissa

Yeah! That was a fabulous movie, eh?

So many stars in denial about the real world....

Hey, I just dropped off 5 issues of Whistleblower to some Maronite Arab Christian friends, - I put "Who killed Mohammed Dura" on top....and included that comprehensive issue on Christian Persecution world-wide (so, so much of it at hands of the Prophet...)

We have a little mutual admiration society going here. When his young Muslim employees come in, we change the subject...

Oh yah? - Well, one of these young 'turks' was caught fiddling the credit card receipts. As it seems like the missing funds, not much - about $5 grand CND - was wired off to you-know-where, - CISUS became involved after the RCMP....

Yup! Right here in River City (Ottawa), folks!

Hey, has anyone thought to email Daniel and let him know about this thread? ...Figure he could always use a 'boost'...eh?

geepers...you're a mess (#174)

guess I was being self-righteous and holier than thou to say that "racism is unamerican and an affront to free society"

slapping my hand! slapping my hand!

?

Caleesa: Quit trying to build traffic to your weak website. Go protest with the Indymedia idiots.
They're your type.

this I termed disrespect, and this is what me and my bros would call...bitchy!

no thanks

freelixir 148

that's a very hard concept to understand, especially for a lot of the folks around here, who seem pretty high-minded about what's right for everybody and contribute to what best can be called an underlying current of moral fascism
of course, I know it's just fear, and loathing, and self-hatred that taint what would otherwise be a health expression of support for freedom, justice, and the American Way

Libertarianism as many libertarians see it perceive it under the idea that progress exists. so saying that there is some type of 'moral facism' is implying that morals are just 'different' rather than 'right/wrong' which is very un-libertarian. ability and success is rewarded while stagnation is left behind. so judgements in what is RIGHT/WRONG is not uncommon for libertarians.

you seem to subscribe to some postmodern relativistic view. it sounds to me that you are more of a liberal.

and by the way, I'm just messing with the abuse of language by always using "support the troops", to point out that it's jingoism and an empty slogan the way it's used as a club

it's called a subtle device

and people did protest in Vietnam to "bring the boys home". they were sick of the lies and deception from cynical elitists leaving their family members dead and crippled

perhaps you've seen some of these cripples on the street begging for money, as our politicians are getting ready to cut veterans benefits

comment on that calissa

There's no reason to use just one mode of communication. Email your senators this weekend. In a week, phone the Washington office and voice your support for Pipes' nomination. Send a nice fax the week after that. For good measure, you could snail-mail a letter later on. There's no rule that you can't contact your reps more than once.

Since the CAIR creeps are recommending that their gang email the President and complain, I have already sent an email to GWB with a message of support for Daniel Pipes, using a very clear subject line to make it easy for the people who do the counting of such things.

#187 - Jack Frost -

Well, that was subtle! Sort of like "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" LOL

#186 freelixer

this I termed disrespect, and this is what me and my bros would call...bitchy!

This was in response to your post #121

Tell me what you think...

You were told what was thought and you respond with attacks. Bummer, you're such a tool you ask and receive and get pissed! Such a child...

Dems,

Please, oh please Congressional Democrats! Do anything to us, but please just don't try to Bork Daniel Pipes, anything but Borking Daniel Pipes!

(apologies to Brer Rabbit and the Briar Patch).

I am also going to write my two Senators in support of Daniel Pipes.

They are Chuck "ambulance chaser" Schumer, and Hillary "it takes a village" Clinton.

Doubt it will do much good with these two flaming leftists.

I think regarding the topic of Islam, I might let Hillary know I am also writing a book. The working title is "It takes a Division".

Specifically the 3rd Infantry Division.

reaganite (#182)...see #173. every one of my insults responded to one, or just plain blatant disrespect

you talk trash, be prepared to receive it

you are a selective reader, aren't you? you must be a lawyer, defender of truth on the side that pays you

and nik, the Dreyfuss affair I haven't seen, but perhaps my friend geepers should examine the "dreyfuss affair" around WWII

dreyfuss affair

Freelixer,

Celissa's right. Your site's lame. If you can't comment about THIS thread, Daniel Pipes' nomination, then go back to IndyMedia and tell THEM how you were dissed at LGF.

And wipe off your chin. That schmutz from Utne is disgusting..

#194 freelixer

you are a selective reader, aren't you? you must be a lawyer, defender of truth on the side that pays you

No, I'm a selective asshole identifier. You are a clown. By the way, I'm a 23 year veteran defending your right to be a dumbass. Oh yeah, your site sucks.

#132 freeliqur,

"celissa...I'm not a lefty liberal you bitch, . . . "

No, you are a "chirping bird".

#180

People are realizing that there is a whole culture that is built upon hate, death, and religious zealotry that rewards both.

Yes, it's known as the "progressives" within the democratic "left"

They hate eurocentric culture
they hate American Culture ( I mean the real culture, not this bogus crap made up since the 60's)
They hate the white middle class
They hate the "rich"- who ever that is, apparently it's anyone who makes more then 100,000.00/year and or drives an SUV
They wish to kill it off- ASAP
religous Zealotry? THey wish to replace the "State" with God..

It works in many ways, just depends on who you want to pillory.

I sent the following email to my two senators (and thanks for providing the links to do it so easily):

I am writing to urge you to support the nomination of Daniel Pipes to the board of the US Institute of Peace.
He is an outstanding scholar. To his credit, he has emphasized the difference between militant Islam and modern Islam.
In 1995 he wrote: "Unnoticed by most Westerners, war has been unilaterally declared on Europe and the United States." It is too bad that the world did not act on his warnings before 9/11.
He also points out how the U.S. can help the moderate side of the Muslim world prevail over the militant side of the Muslim world (in his book Militant Islam Reaches America, p. 252).
This is a matter of deep importance to me. I urge you to support the nomination of Daniel Pipes to the board of the US Institute of Peace.

jack frost (#187), are you aware of the great band jack frost? just wondering. great stuff...steve kilbey from the band the church is in it

I disagree with you about progress. The concept of progress is inherent to the Enlightenment Project, and not particularly to libertarianism.

And by the way, I do believe in moralism, and it is essentially as stated in the Declaration of Independence, and supports the idea that all men and women have rights, freedom, and unless grossly infringing on another's the restriction of said freedom is an affront to "right" and the "just"

our country is based upon that understanding. I do believe that other morals that I hold, and that others hold, are not in this ground, and should be honored by oneself and not pushed incessantly on others, nor color your perception of people who are different who do not think the same as you

it's not like the issues we're talking about are set in stone, if only certain people weren't so stupid or would open their eyes and see the truth. there is room for difference, and difference is good, and essential to life and the vibrance of society and culture

and yes, I'm aware of postmodernist theory, and agree with some of it, and disagree with other parts of it. I pick and choose, weigh and evaluate. and postmodernism itself has little to do with whether you will become a libertarian

let me know what you think

I just read Pipes' Militant Islam Reaches America and thought it tells it very well (Militant Islam is an ideology, Islam is a religion).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did Pipes initially say that Oklahoma City was the work of Islamic terrorists?

Calissa, is that you who said, "People are realizing that there is a whole culture that is built upon hate, death, and religious zealotry that rewards both."

please read your previous posts, especially the one about "terrorist baby factories"

thanks

#187 jack frost
Dont answer freelixir's

let me know what you think

He'll come back with childish insults if you don't agree with him!

Ahh #200

There you go, it took you what, 20 posts to finally state your position without ad hominem attacks?

As to Celissa's comments : "People are realizing that there is a whole culture that is built upon hate, death, and religious zealotry that rewards both."

Are you denying that there are entire cultures built upon this premise? If so, have you been reading the news of late?

Last!

asdf
"America has a choice between galvanising European opinion behind its police work on the one hand, or turning the rest of the world into a police state. The former is in everyone's interest, especially America's.
"

Whatever. It's Old Europe's fault, not ours. Read this article to understand how an anti war idea based on philosophical and historical reasons proves itself wrong.
i.e.
"
Europeans generally believe, whether or not they admit it to themselves, that were Iraq ever to emerge as a real and present danger, as opposed to merely a potential danger, then the United States would do something about it - as it did in 1991. So theres no need to go in and topple Baghdad now
"

#193

Jim, I feel your pain. I also wrote both of my senators...

Corizine and Lautenberg.

CAIR lies about what Pipes has written, and they libel Pipes personally. Pipes makes the stongest possible distinction between Islam and militant Islam. Here is how his book Militant Islam Reaches America begins (chapter 1), by making the distinction extremely clear right at the outset:

"Does Islam threaten the West? No, it does not. But militant Islam does threaten it in many and profound ways. There is, indeed, no comparable danger in the world today.

"One cannot emphasize too much this distinction between Islam -- plain Islam -- and its militant Islamic version. Islam is the religion of about 1 billion people and has been the host of one of the world's great civilzations. It is a fast-growing faith, particularly in Africa, but also around the world. In contrast, militant Islam is a utopian idelogy, initiated in the twentieth century, that attracts only a portion of Muslims (perhaps 10 to 15 percent), seeks to capture control of governments, and is nakedly aggressive toward all those who stand in its way, no matter what their faith."

this place is great...

you are a chirping bird!
tweet, tweet, -- ping, pong!

the world is a police state because of the US,
yeah, right...

#208 This just further illustrates CAIR's attachment to the cancerous ideology which is militant Islam while wrapping itself in the flag of Islam the religion.

If CAIR were truly interested in seeing that Moslems were not tarred with the same brush as their radical cousins, they would embrace Daniel Pipes since he makes that distinction so well.

an advocate for Israeli interests

this is someone who won't turn the US into anti-semite France

#146-

John Stuart Mill, and I'm a big fan as well, but you wouldn't have found him arguing that the government shouldn't have a role in defense, I'd wager.

Umm, nope, I would say that Mr. Mill, being the "bright" man he was, would most likely approve, not of the war but rather with the peace protestors - why?

Where do you think unfettered Liberalism ends? It does not end in alturism, it ends in a society where everyone is out for themselves in every conceivable way.

You need to think through the possible consequences of your phliosphy before you expound on it, Mill didn't, so whether he intended today's "Liberal" or not is moot, since Mill's philosophy led directly to it.

I'm fer it if CAIR's agin it.

Good thing about the doubles, we get to kill Saddam 5 or 10 times.

#212

Very interesting point.

At what point does libertarianism become anarchy?

Exactly WHO votes on this?!

I wrote my Senators--but others wrote their Congressmen? Which one is it?

Geesh.

Oh...in case someone wants a form letter. Very simple:

Senator (NAME):

As one of your constituents, I am relying on you to be my voice in Washington D.C.. I am sure that our great state has chosen wisely at the voting booth, finding a wonderful person who will listen to our voices and let us know that we are being heard all these miles away.

I am writing to urge you to support President Bush's nomination of Daniel Pipes to the board of the U.S. Institute of Peace. I believe that Mr. Pipes will serve well in this capacity.

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,
(YOUR NAME)
(CITY)

StrangeBrew, #195, the nomination is questionable in the current atmosphere, as this link would explain.

Here's an excerpt:

"Throughout his career, Daniel Pipes has exhibited a troubling bigotry toward Muslims and Islam. As early as 1983, even an otherwise positive Washington Post book review noted that Pipes displays "a disturbing hostility to contemporary Muslims...he professes respect for Muslims but is frequently contemptuous of them." Pipes, said the reviewer, "is swayed by the writings of anti-Muslim writers...[the book] is marred by exaggerations, inconsistencies, and evidence of hostility to the subject." (The Washington Post, 12/11/83)

In The Weekly Standard (1/22/96), Pipes offered a glowing review of the infamous anti-Muslim book "Why I Am Not a Muslim." The National Catholic Reporter (11/17/95) called that book "the literary equivalent of hate radio...literary warfare against Islam," useful only to those "interested in returning to the polemical past to do battle with Islamic believers." Pipes called the book "quite brilliant" and "startlingly novel." "This religion would seem to have nothing functional to offer," remarked Pipes. "

Thanks

And Robert, #212 referring to #146, excellent point. Self-interest is never extended to its logical end.

As for Mill, I only have one thing to say Ariel #146. I am not a utilitarian, and do not agree with Mill about many things. This strain of liberalism is tainted, in my opinion, and is not proper to libertarianism.

Go back to the Declaration of Independence, and forget about Burke too.

#216 freeliquor
Oh shit, I just had to clean off my screen, that's the best source you could find? I fell of my chair laughing! You are such a tool! Keep the jokes coming, we need the comic relief!

reaganite, I miss the humor. the site I reference is an all-purpose site with links to information from other sources, so read it and respond on substance

another excerpt...

"American Muslims recall Mr. Pipes finger-pointing following the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. (Pipes now admits that he was wrong on this point.) As The Village Voice noted: "Leaping directly into hysteria was the right-wing Daniel Pipes...who told USA Today...'People need to understand that this is just the beginning. The fundamentalists are on the upsurge, and they make it very clear that they are targeting us. They are absolutely obsessed with us.'" (5/2/95) "

#120

May Gawd bless the Neo-con goverment takeover. Invade the world!

Speaking as a life long conservative- a realone, Neo-Cons are not to be trusted, norm Coleman is one such person, he requires constant proding from those of us who voted for him to keep him on track.

Periodically, he gets the notion that he's still a Democrat, then it is that we must remind him that he got no votes from liberals, only us on the right, and he better remember that if he wants another term.

I would not have voted for him had it not been for the fact that Pawlenty chose not to contest GWB's descision. Reagan was not a Neo-Conservative.

Reasons not to trust Neo's:

1) they are a one or two issue group, meaning that on some one issue they parted company with the democrats, they will most likely return to the democrats if they change their policy to suit them.

2) Because they switched over one or two issues, they therefore do not hold true on the rest of the Conservative agenda.

3) Given the opportunity to gain something of liberal importance to themselves and self-described liberals, they will sacrifice a Conservative issue to get it. Bush senior proved this time and again-
"read my lips...." Bush didn't lose so much because Clinton won, he lost because he lost the backing of real conservatives. Real Conservatives wanted a balanced budget alright, but they wanted it by cutting the budget, not by raising taxes.

Bill Kristol is not a Neo-Conservative

Rummy is not a Neo-Conservative

Wolfowitz is not a Neo-Conservative

Reagan is not a Neo-Conservative

Trent Lot is a Neo-Conservative

Norm Coleman is a Neo-Conservative

Paul Welstone was a Neo-Communist/Social Communist

I'm out kids. Thanks for the good fun and flavor. I really enjoyed it.

Cheers.

Jimm

#219 freeliquor
You fisked yourself with this one;

Pipes now admits that he was wrong on this point.)

Makes your whole argument moot doesn't it?

Freeliquer declares victory and runs away...

The lies about Pipes are enormous. Pipes is clearly opposed to the goals of one segment of Muslims, and clearly in support of the other's approach.

Militant Islam Reaches America, p. 138:

"No one knows how many Muslims there are in the United States ... but their numbers are clearly in the several millions...
"This community faces a profound choice in the United States, one likely to have a large significance for both the United States and Islam: It can integrate or it can be Islamist.

"Muslims who integrate can live simultaneously as patriotic Americans and as committed Muslims. Integrationist Muslims, whether pious believers or not, do not have a problem giving allegiance to a government that is primarily non-Muslim. They teach that what American culture calls for -- respect for one's neighbor, hard work, honest -- is compatible with the norms of Islam. In turn, they see Islam enhancing American values. Integrationists accept that the United States is not a majority Muslim country and seek ways to live successfully within its constitutional framework, keeping their personal customs to the extent they wish but foregoing the political dimensions of the Islamic message. Symbolic of this positive outlook, the Islamic Supreme Council of America displays an American flag on its Internet home page.

"If Muslims go the Islamist route, they will reject the prevailing American civilization, based as it is on a mix of Christian and Enlightenment values, both of which they reject. As Islamists, they believe that their ways are superior and want to impose these on the country as a whole. In the short term, they promote Islam as the solution to the social and moral ills; in the long term, they work to turn the United States into not just a Muslim country but one run along militant Islamic lines... However outlandish this goal, it is one which in militant Islamic circles is widely assumed and much discussed.

"Integrationists tend to be people thankful to live in the United States, with its rule of law, democracy, and personal freedoms. Islamists despise these attributes and long to bring the ways of Iran or Afghanistan. The one seeks to create an American Islam; the other wants an Islamic America. Integrationists can take part in American life as do peoples from every other background. Islamists cannot. Which of these outlooks prevails obviously has great importance for the United States."

not really, since he had to apologize, or look like an idiot, since he was wrong.

some noble apology that

remember...Freedom comes before America, not the other way around.

Read your Declaration of Independence.

It's been fun.

Out.

President Bush yesterday nominated pro-Israel commentator Daniel Pipes, who many American Muslims regard as the nation's leading Islamophobe, to join the board of the United States Institute of Peace, a federal institution created by Congress

Who are these "many American Muslims"? Most muslims probably wouldn't want to associate themselves with CAIR. Or would they? Either way, you lose CAIR.
CAIR conveniently pulls only articles against Pipes as opposed to debating the point.

In the Jerusalem Post, Pipes called for increased surveillance of ordinary American Muslims. He wrote: "There is no escaping the unfortunate fact that Muslim government employees in law enforcement, the military, and the diplomatic corps need to be watched for connections to terrorism, as do Muslim chaplains in prisons and the armed forces. Muslim visitors and immigrants must undergo additional background checks. Mosques require a scrutiny beyond that applied to churches, synagogues and temples. Muslim schools require increased oversight to ascertain what is being taught to children…" (1/22/03)

The CAIR website don't even try to discredit this quote. That's probably because they know that it's friggin genius. We should be on the alert for terrorism. We should be on the lookout for muslim "charities" that may be used to support terrorism. We should be looking at books in Muslim schools to make sure they are not teaching the kids that Jews and American Zionists infidels are evil satan spawn who need to be jihaded against at all cost with the support of the left and manipulation of our own political correctness. This is America, not the Middle East. I want to hear CAIR say something like "Jews are cool". Until then, screw off CAIR. Why do they have to say "pro-Israel commentator Daniel Pipes?" They only show their bias against Jews by mentioning this. Are they implying that they are anti-Israel? If someone accuses me of being pro-Palestine, then are they not insinuating that they are anti-Palestine. Anyway, this is a moot point, since we know there maybe terrorist ties. PIPES RULES. MUST SUPPORT PIPES NOW!! PIPES ALL THE WAY!

#225 freeliquor
He admitted he was wrong, leaps and bounds above you leftist peaceniks who will never admit the truth. America IS freedom, hence you get to talk smack about it. I hope you can sleep with yourself.

Would you morons just go back to advocating the nuking of Mecca and get your stupid charade over with already? Appointing Daniel Pipes to the U.S. Institute of Peace would be like putting a criminal like Admiral Pointdexter in charge of ....... never mind.

This poster had a most insightful observation on trolls:

Life cycle of a troll within a thread

I notice that when the posts get up to 200+ a really militant one has been busy. I love to read the posts that skewer the troll.

#193

"It takes a division."

Now THATS funny. Great stuff, man!

#229 Another troll!
What, is DU slow slamming the USA tonight so you had to come here?

'People need to understand that this is just the beginning. The fundamentalists are on the upsurge, and they make it very clear that they are targeting us. They are absolutely obsessed with us.'" (Daniel Pipes, 5/2/95) "

What a prescient statement. If only we had listened. Maybe 9/11 could have been averted.

So what if he was mistaken about the identity of the perpetrator of the Oklahoma bomber. His was not to investigate the crime, just to comment on it as others were doing at the time. It does not make his statement any less insightful.

Sorry Sean, that should have been #228

Freelicker you are a troll
Arnett is guilty of treason, but we are letting him go.

" Freedom is not just an end, it is a means. As is compassion. To realize this, America needs to conduct herself with forthrightness, honor and truth, respectfully listen to the counsel of our friends and allies, and never again forget or downplay the costs and horrors of war.
"

Coalition of the willing :
Afghanistan
Albania
Australia
Azerbaijan
Britain
Colombia
The Czech Republic
Denmark
El Salvador
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Georgia
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Japan
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia
The Netherlands
Nicaragua
the Philippines
Poland
Romania
Slovakia
South Korea
Spain
Turkey
Uzbekistan

Our allies have spoken. Both the House of Representatives and the Senate have spoken. The American people have spoken.

I don't have to watch Al Jazeera all day to know what the horrors of war are. I grew up in America, where we learn about the Holocaust. (hrmm.. i wonder if they teach this in the middle east.)
I also know the horrors that Saddam has put on his own people for the last 3 decades.

BTW, you are a troll freelicker

Check out the REAL CAIR link.

Now this one.

Puuhhhhleeeeze!
I'm not your troll trust me. I noticed that the post by nik in the cartoon thread was insightful. The trolls (like freelicker above) follow a pattern of spiraling fallacy. My link is to nik's LGF post.

BTW Reaganite, you are doing a good job of making freeliquor grumpy. Bravo!

Bigotry towards Muslims?? How can that happen when mainstream Muslims will not even denouce the Muslim Fantatics? Thier silence is deafening... until Muslims clean thier own house of the muderous filth that infests that religon to the core they should all be suspect.

As it is now, the Muslim religon is based on violence that allows any and all atrocities against humanity to be committed in the name of Allah. With the culture of hate that is the Middle East we will never be safe until the source of the problem is eliminated or should I say exterminated...

They want a Holy War lets give it to them, unshackle Israel and let them handle the Palenstine problem once and for all. There can be no peace because the Muslim fanatics don't want it.

"freelixir" quoted an attempted smear piece about Daniel Pipes:

'People need to understand that this is just the beginning. The fundamentalists are on the upsurge, and they make it very clear that they are targeting us. They are absolutely obsessed with us.'

And he was RIGHT. 100% right. If you don't see that, you are blind, deaf and dumb, and should just get out of the way.

But I know you won't, because you're also incredibly, overbearingly, completely full of yourself.

Cordially yours,
The owner of the site you have been abusing all day

#214-

At what point does libertarianism become anarchy?

Before 9/11 I would have said we were fast approaching it, as I wish we would, I will explain below.

Since 9/11 I believe we have seen it retrench to some degree, but other aspects of it are clearly continuing apace.

1) Open borders- 35 % of America's prison population are not even legally here, yet they commit felonies, and not just one, it takes multiple felonies to get thrown in jail.

2) curriculum in the public schools which is clearly designed to tear down the last vestiges of traditional western culture- George Washington and his compatriots are now considered to have been "nothing more then bigoted, slave owning racists" who can offer nothing because of that- note that this is then a direct attack upon the foundations of this nation, the very Constitution.

3) the continued lifting up of morally, technologically and economically bankrupt cultures. These cultures are raised above that of our Father's and children are taught that they are not only better, they are better because they were oppressed by their fathers. Rap is considered to be more "relevant" as well as "better' then say Mozart, because, after all, Mozart is a "dead white male".

4) People continue to break laws every day as if it meant nothing to do so, and indeed, it doesn't. The "point system" of when and how to incarcerate a criminal requires that the person be convicted from between 15 and 20 times for things like auto theft and forgery.

5) the general "mean-ness" of society- I know that's vague, but people never used to just shoot each other over traffic jams, not to mention the just general surliness of every day people.

6) The ever broadening and widening of those dependent upon the 'government" and thus the taxpayers for not only their lively hood, but their basic sustenance, child care, thought processes, you name it.

7) the ever growing number of children born to single women, and indeed, the ever growing number of maternal siblings with multiple fathers- fathers whom they most likely will never know, let alone have a relationship with.

The list goes on, I just wish it would reach total break down while I'm still young enough to fight that battle for my children and grandchildren, rather then them having to fight it

#236 Sean
I said I was sorry! I posted the wrong #! I did notice freeliquor tried real hard to ignore me! :-D

233 reaganite
No prob.

OT Didja see that some RG are going to Baghdad Int'l?

"Come out into the open..."
"Hello this is FAC please attack in the order that you've been assigned."

Airport of Death Anyone?

#234

Arnett is guilty of treason, but we are letting him go.

maybe, maybe not, several real conservative Republicans in congress have put forth that he shold be caught up at our border (should he ever return) and tried for treason.

There is always hope.

Here is what Pipes recommends at home, in efforts to contain militant Islam (Militant Islam Reaches America, p.253):

"The goal is to prevent harm being done by radical anti-Westerners among us, and the means must include expelling, jailing, or otherwise restraining them. This implies an active revision of immigration laws and in particular an end to the innocent assumption that all who intend to visit or immigrate to the United States wish the country well. It means cracking down on Islamic 'charitable' foundations that funnel money to militant Islamic groups. And it means military tribunals where needed; restrictions on lawyer-client privilege in certain cases; and, when appropriate, the serious use of 'profiling' to uncover sleepers and other terrorists. Most obviously, it means that the president must stop meeting with and legitimizing militant Islamic leaders as he has done repeatedly both before and after September 11."

I urge the Senate to approve the nomination of Daniel Pipes. Dear Senators: do not listen to those who are trying to keep America asleep while the militant Islamists are working.

freelixer:

well Glen, I'm wondering what you've been smoking, and I'm guessing the glass dick.

Not to my knowledge, I haven't. But my idea of libertarianism is the Cato Institute, not High Times, so I'm not sure what "smoking glass dick" is like.

Also, I don't like you calling Celissa the b-word. We are not under shariah yet, thanks to the protection of our superb military. So such attitudes are not currently socially acceptable.

I don't mind you calling me a socialist, though. It confuses lurkers from the State Department.

Charles
As you correctly posted, this is your blog. Don't sweat it, we'll do the wet work, you just ban the worst ones. We'll chase off the rest.
#241 Sean
In the words of CENTCOM "if it moves, it dies"

200 freelixir

are you aware of the great band jack frost? just wondering. great stuff

yes i am.

I disagree with you about progress. The concept of progress is inherent to the Enlightenment Project, and not particularly to libertarianism.

yes, it is inherent to enlightenment, not a necessity for libertarianism, but this is the problem with libertarians though isn't it? they are neither left nor right. they sort of waver back and forth- for the most part resembling conservatives until the religious right get involved. libertarians extend out of the philosophy of objectivism which believes very much in progress. wouldn't you say? reason, achievement etc

our country is based upon that understanding. I do believe that other morals that I hold, and that others hold, are not in this ground, and should be honored by oneself and not pushed incessantly on others, nor color your perception of people who are different who do not think the same as you

you obviously hold different ideas to me and others here. you also have different definitions of 'morals'. i am not pushing you to believe anything. what i may do is persaude you with an argument that i have based on my information. we are citizens of the same country. this is not applicable to most of the world. doesn't that say something? that the US is in fact a moreprogressive state?

it's not like the issues we're talking about are set in stone, if only certain people weren't so stupid or would open their eyes and see the truth. there is room for difference, and difference is good, and essential to life and the vibrance of society and culture

i am in complete agreement here. i dont think anyone disagrees with that. unless of course people confuse 'different' with backward and this 'different' thinking is anti-progressive. (thwarts self interest, repressive of individual liberty, anti-growth/capitalist etc) :ability first.

and yes, I'm aware of postmodernist theory, and agree with some of it, and disagree with other parts of it. I pick and choose, weigh and evaluate. and postmodernism itself has little to do with whether you will become a libertarian

actually postmodernism is directly at odds with the philosophy uponwhich libertarianism is based. again, PM is relativistic which denies any absolute truths. but that in itself is an absolute- thus it contradicts itself. it denies epistemology as a whole- which is ludicrous and what i see as the decadence of philosophy as a discipline with fashionable nonsense.

i'm not sure picking and choosing from different views is entirely consistent.

#239

Your points are well taken. I would even say you are preaching to the choir (me).

However, your points seem to lead toward a castigation of anarchy. I agree with you totally on that.

Pertaining to the close line that I suggested exists between libertarianism and anarchy, I would be interested in knowing where you stand on that.

Bigotry towards Muslims?? How can that happen when mainstream Muslims will not even denouce the Muslim Fantatics? Thier silence is deafening... until Muslims clean thier own house of the muderous filth that infests that religon to the core they should all be suspect.

for mainstream muslims to clean up their act, they would need a leader, and what passes for leadership or the idea of leadership is nothing more than human sacrifice

and of course this has a burn out effect that leads nowhere

so they are stuck,
with the choice to surrender or die
until real leadership emerges, that is...
it's too bad, but that's the way it is, their only leaders are islamists, and they are leading them to absolute ruin

Last again!

--reaganite
you're probably right but i try anyway...

OT, but I don't know if anyone has posted about this yet: U.S. Troops Find Vials of White Powder

MUSSAYIB, Iraq, April 4 -- U.S. Army troops searching for chemical weapons along the Euphrates River discovered chemical warfare manuals and vials of white powder today and called in experts to determine what it was. At Latifiyah, a town 15 miles north of here, units of the 3rd Infantry Division took over an Iraqi air defense complex bordering a series of huge walled compounds about six miles in circumference. At the southern edge of the compound, officers investigated an arms cache that contained gas masks and vials of the unidentified white powder.

"What a prescient statement. If only we had listened. Maybe 9/11 could have been averted." - #232

Uh, either than or the fact that President Arbusto, Tricky Dick Cheney and all their cronies are kowtowing to the the Saudis and the rest of the Bin Laden Family :

GREG PALAST:
"I received a phone call from a high-placed member of a US intelligence agency. He tells me that while there's always been constraints on investigating Saudis, under George Bush it's gotten much worse. After the elections, the agencies were told to "back off" investigating the Bin Ladens and Saudi royals, and that angered agents. I'm told that since September 11th the policy has been reversed. FBI headquarters told us they could not comment on our findings. A spokesman said: "There are lots of things that only the intelligence community knows and that no-one else ought to know. "

Has someone been sitting on the FBI? 6/11/01

#243-

"The goal is to prevent harm being done by radical anti-Westerners among us, and the means must include expelling, jailing, or otherwise restraining them.

hell, using that as a basis, you might as well start locking up all the public school teachers as well as most of acadamia. Half the Senate and House as well. Then you can get around to the organizations such as ANSWER and so forth. And we haven't even gotten to the Immigrants who have come here with that purpose in mind. Then there's the LA Times editorial staff as well as the NY Times. It's a big list............

I'm all for it, do we get to start when Pipes gets in?

So 250 plus posts & counting. If this was Charles's last log, the posts would eventually reach infinity. Like rats on crack we are.

Reaganite: There's a lot of open terrain around Baghdad Int'l and an apparent lack of civilian cover. I hope this turns out. I was disappointed the 1000 vehicle "Cavalcade of Targets" never materialized.

Charles, New thread yet? This one's trolled out.

When are you guys gonna get it?

On September 24, President George W. Bush appeared at a press conference in the White House Rose Garden to announce a crackdown on the financial networks of terrorists and those who support them. “U.S. banks that have assets of these groups or individuals must freeze their accounts,” Bush declared. “And U.S. citizens or businesses are prohibited from doing business with them.”

But the president, who is now enjoying an astounding 92 percent approval rating, hasn’t always practiced what he is now preaching: Bush’s own businesses were once tied to financial figures in Saudi Arabia who currently support bin Laden.

In 1979, Bush’s first business, Arbusto Energy, obtained financing from James Bath, a Houstonian and close family friend. One of many investors, Bath gave Bush $50,000 for a 5 percent stake in Arbusto. At the time, Bath was the sole U.S. business representative for Salem bin Laden, head of the wealthy Saudi Arabian family and a brother (one of 17) to Osama bin Laden. It has long been suspected, but never proven, that the Arbusto money came directly from Salem bin Laden. In a statement issued shortly after the September 11 attacks, the White House vehemently denied the connection, insisting that Bath invested his own money, not Salem bin Laden’s, in Arbusto.

In conflicting statements, Bush at first denied ever knowing Bath, then acknowledged his stake in Arbusto and that he was aware Bath represented Saudi interests. In fact, Bath has extensive ties, both to the bin Laden family and major players in the scandal-ridden Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI) who have gone on to fund Osama bin Laden. BCCI defrauded depositors of $10 billion in the ’80s in what has been called the “largest bank fraud in world financial history” by former Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau. During the ’80s, BCCI also acted as a main conduit for laundering money intended for clandestine CIA activities, ranging from financial support to the Afghan mujahedin to paying intermediaries in the Iran-Contra affair.

When Salem bin Laden died in 1988, powerful Saudi Arabian banker and BCCI principal Khalid bin Mahfouz inherited his interests in Houston. Bath ran a business for bin Mahfouz in Houston and joined a partnership with bin Mahfouz and Gaith Pharaon, BCCI’s frontman in Houston’s Main Bank.

The Arbusto deal wasn’t the last time Bush looked to highly questionable sources to invest in his oil dealings. After several incarnations, Arbusto emerged in 1986 as Harken Energy Corporation. When Harken ran into trouble a year later, Saudi Sheik Abdullah Taha Bakhsh purchased a 17.6 percent stake in the company. Bakhsh was a business partner with Pharaon in Saudi Arabia; his banker there just happened to be bin Mahfouz.

Though Bush told the Wall Street Journal he had “no idea” BCCI was involved in Harken’s financial dealings, the network of connections between Bush and BCCI is so extensive that the Journal concluded their investigation of the matter in 1991 by stating: “The number of BCCI-connected people who had dealings with Harken—all since George W. Bush came on board—raises the question of whether they mask an effort to cozy up to a presidential son.” Or even the president: Bath finally came under investigation by the FBI in 1992 for his Saudi business relationships, accused of funneling Saudi money through Houston in order to influence the foreign policies of the Reagan and first Bush administrations.

Worst of all, bin Mahfouz allegedly has been financing the bin Laden terrorist network—making Bush a U.S. citizen who has done business with those who finance and support terrorists. According to USA Today, bin Mahfouz and other Saudis attempted to transfer $3 million to various bin Laden front operations in Saudi Arabia in 1999. ABC News reported the same year that Saudi officials stopped bin Mahfouz from contributing money directly to bin Laden. (Bin Mahfouz’s sister is also a wife of Osama bin Laden, a fact that former CIA Director James Woolsey revealed in 1998 Senate testimony.)

When President Bush announced he is hot on the trail of the money used over the years to finance terrorism, he must realize that trail ultimately leads not only to Saudi Arabia, but to some of the same financiers who originally helped propel him into the oil business and later the White House. The ties between bin Laden and the White House may be much closer than he is willing to acknowledge.

Wayne Madsen, an investigative journalist based in Washington, is the author of Genocide and Covert Operations in Africa 1993-1999.
Tracking bin Laden's money flow leads back to Midland, Texas

#256

Geez... Its Friday night.... Charles needs a break.

:=)

Libertarians are against the war.

1) Even if he does have nuclear weapons (or other weapons of mass destruction) Saddam Hussein would not risk using them on the United States.

3) Hussein is extremely unlikely to give WMD to al Qaeda for future attacks on the United States

There explanation is that he doesn't want to die. They don't understand that Saddam wants a legacy, and in his legacy he won't ever die. Besides, why take the risk?

6) Iraq is a greatly diminished military power, and poses little threat even to its neighbors.

They can use their WMD, you trolls. They don't need an army. They just need islamofascists and suicidal terrorists or the Elite Republican Guard or the feyaden or watever the hell they're called.

Honey, Where's the tinfoil?

#255 Sean
When I was in Kuwait during Desert Storm, I was disappointed to never find the '5000 Egyptian hookers'! It's hype by the press. I was recently assigned to CENTAF HQ (been home 3 weeks now), I used to laugh my ass off at what the press reported, as to what I knew was fact.

#247-

Libertarians are far left extremists who are afraid to admit it- let's be realistic here, what they advocate is total anarchy, Freedom without Responsibility- that magic "R" word. Only a fool can not see where their beliefs will lead- that was the original reason for the Constitution, because America at that point was devolving toward anarchy.

Leftists want anarchy because they hope it will result in a removal of the so called ruling class. Either that, or they then get to impose their new form of government, either way, it's the end of property rights as well as the individual.

Libertarians then can be said to be just another group of useful idiots for the far left. And I do believe the far left (based on limited access to some of the KGB files that were opened under Yeltsin) was built by and for the Commintern, financed by Moscow. Remember when Kruschov (sp?) said "We will bury you (America) from within" ? thats how they intend to do it. by destroying society as we knew it. It's called "Social Communism" and Multi-Culturalism is it's bastard child.

The rest of the the libertarian parties reasons against war can be debunked here.

#261
Reaganite: Would 5000 hookers beat 72 virgins?

Thanks for your service in 1991!

I figure there will be lots of material to read and view on this war. I'll never get 10% of what really is happening anyway.

# 257
I don't know what the hell the point of your long boring article is. I'm not gonna read it.

Remeber, Osama was fighting the evil invading Soviet Union until he turned his back on us. I don't feel like reading your crappy long distance links, u troll.

#264 Sean
I got sent to HQ because I managed to hurt myself at the wrong time. I hated being in the rear instead of with my team (in an undisclosed location). But I loved the info I had access to while I was there. I'm now back at my home unit, but I go back on the road in 9 days.

#262

Thanks for the response. You make some excellent points again.

Is it your opinion that the Libertarians are knowlegable about their "useful idiot" status with the left? Or do they deny any use for any relevant ideology other than their own?

I only ask because I am often debating a libertarian friend on the role of govt. in business. I have often expressed to him that I thought libertarians are only one degree to the right of anarchists.

Definition of a Conservative:

He/She who wishes to preserve the existing, time honored Institutions because They Worked.

Definition of a Liberal (modern):

He/She who wishes to tear down the time honored Institutions because they get in the way of the New World Order

Hawks vs. Doves, and everyone in between

262
no way- libertarians are probably the party of the future. they hold the same views as the views held by majority on this site.
they believe in full- self reliance and self responsibility. completely mindful of the individual.
they are mega capitalists, individual liberty makers, and self interest advocates..
i dont know what brand of libertarian is out defacing it...

#264

I figure there will be lots of material to read and view on this war. I'll never get 10% of what really is happening anyway.

Heh, I feel that way and I am sure that a lot of others do to. The best we can do as individuals attempt to glean bits and pieces of what is reality and put it together in a cogent way.

Anyone who claims to know everything about anything is a liar.

Reaganite: Godspeed and come by Dallas for dinner on me when your objectives are met!

I'm gonna rack out. Good talking to you.

I walked by the TV a few minutes ago. My husband was watching some show on the Waco-Branch Davidian fiasco.

I thought, the government is ready to kill women and children and a few guilty men....but they completely hands off when it comes to Islam. Can you imagine the government storming a mosque in Los Angelos.

#239 Robert -- I used to think that a lot of the anarchy and "meanness" you list was due to over-crowding. Too many immigrants slithered in while we weren't looking,and like rats stuffed into a maze, we were biting at each other because we didn't have room to maneuver and that's annoying.

But I notice the same behavior going on other places: terrorism in Japanese subways, schoolboys shooting up schools in Scotland or Denmark, road rage on the autobahn. Every bad thing that Americans do to each other is being done by other folks in other countries, too. Mugging and purse snatching on the streets of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, and you *know* how holy and pure all of them are!

So now my scientific theory is we're in some kind of radioactive van allen belt, and everyone's biorhythms are off. Or maybe it's a genetic mutation caused by eating too much broccoli. Whatever it is, it's world wide, and I refuse to believe all of them out there in the dark admire us *so* much they want to copy every single detail.

Except for Muslims and the French -- they're born rats.

#267-

They, I think, are not very bright, or they were never taught how to follow through to a logical conclusion. What I mean by that, is, that if they know where their philosophy is headed, then they are lying to themselves, at a minimum or the world, at a maximum. If they are not intelligent enough to follow through, then they are simply as Voltair's idiot in "Eldorado"- in that they are to simplistic to see where it leads.

You cannot have unrestricted Freedom. Freedom of necessity comes with the responsibility of self imposed restraints- that's what the written law is for.

Anarchy was Lenin's friend, it was also Hitler's and Mao's. You cannot escape from historical repitition of that, Anarchy felled the Western Roman Empire, and it will make the "American Empire" fall as well. Take the time to read the "Federalist Papers"- those men were wise enough to see where unfettered freedom, freedom without personal responsibility would lead. They were dealing with near Anarchy when they met at the Constitutional Convention, it did not happen by accident. These men were also very aware of the problems of "mob rule"- read that to mean a popular mandate, hence the orginal nomination of Senators and the Electoral Collage- they knew that passions of the moment must not be allowed to rule. Likewise, they understood the dangers of allowing the uneducated free reign with governement, hence the need for a super majority of STATES, not people, to amend the Constittution. The fact that the men who wrote it and ratified are now under attack under the "new morality" is very scary indeed. Attack, will result in impuning and tearing down the constitution. Then there will be hell to pay.

reaganite wrote:

As you correctly posted, this is your blog. Don't sweat it, we'll do the wet work, you just ban the worst ones. We'll chase off the rest.

I just want to say thanks to reaganite and everyone who's been fighting the latest LGF troll infestation.

I don't know what I'd do without rational people like you. Probably lose all faith in the human race and join a Buddhist monastery in Tibet.

This could be the weekend when registration comes to LGF. The nasty ignorant trolls are becoming very tiresome.

#270

I appreciate your thoughts on this also.

Personally, I am struggling with Liberatian ideals. I am an owner of 2 small businesses and as such I send a great deal of my earnings to the government. However, I still believe the government has a great responsibility in the well being of a nation.

Where that responsibility starts and stops is question of the millenium. Of course I believe in the axiom "Less government is better government", the it is the AMOUNT of goverment that we need to exist as a nation that is the issue.

I'm probably wrong about this but:

libertarians want to legalize drugs and prostitution, but probably don't want their kids blowing strangers to get money to buy crack and marijuana

libertarians are for capitalism- but against "big government" meaning they don't give a damn about the general public. the polar opposite of communists. they probably would've been against the New Deal - who knows where we'd be without that

libertarians are like anarchists, except they aren't insane. they want the government to stay out of a lot of things, but do not realize the necessity of it. libertarians would probably be against trying a human being for beasteality or something.

libertarians try to tie themselves with the people who started this country, but are unable to realize that it has evolved, and so the government needs to evolve with it.
what happens when a libertarian becomes old and has no money- he becomes a liberal so he can ask the government for some
libertarians are libertarians out of convenience. if they need the government for a particular issue, they'll become a donkey or an elephant

libertarians are trolls, but harmless trolls
OT that troll on TV is not Saddam

and by trying, i meant putting on trial