"Me be wrong? Me be accountable? That's unpossible!"
/nose-picking, future DNC luminary Ralph Wiggum

And peopple wonder why I quit watching domestic movies some time ago.....

She belongs on ABC along with Peter Jennings.

Can't repeat this too many times: ABC = Arab Broadcast Company

now we know she is not honest

you never know when you see these types, they could really believe what they're saying and be mistaken

but she proves now that she isn't thinking at all, just chanting dogma from her religion, the facts once proven, mean nothing to her

just another cult member

What a liar.

She could have gained quite a bit of respect if she did what she said she would in this event.

Of course she would have lost respect too, probably from most people she knows.

O’Reilly: “If you are wrong, all right, and if the United States -- and they will, this is going to happen -- goes in, liberates Iraq, people in the street, American flags, hugging our soldiers, all right, we find all kinds of bad, bad stuff, all right, in Iraq, you gonna apologize to George W. Bush?”
Garofalo promised: “I would be so willing to say I’m sorry, I hope to God that I can be made a buffoon of, that people will say you were wrong, you were a fatalist, and I will go to the White House on my knees on cut glass and say, hey, you were right, I shouldn’t have doubted you. But I think to think that is preposterous.”

[Link: www.mediaresearch.org...]

Slimey very slimey. Wear gloves before coming into contact!

"Nothing to apologize for"?

I refer you to 'Mystery Men'. Now tell me that wasn't a crime against humanity.

My first thought was: "Oh well, the show won't last a month. When is that last time Janeane Garafolo was funny?"

My second thought: "When was the first time?"

I sent my letter to ABC. Did YOU?

I see a Three's Company sort of show with the Dixie Chicks as the roommates, Robert Fisk as the wacky neighbor and Peter Arnett as the clueless landlord. It'll be a hit. Both of the viewers will like it.

I refer you to 'Mystery Men'. Now tell me that wasn't a crime against humanity.

LOL!

Hey Janeane, this is not your father's war...

People are going to remember collaberators like yourself, and you will face the consequences. I predict that your in-the-works project at ABC will suffer a pre-emptive strike of it's own.

The times they are a changin'.

Oh you have to have Baghdad Bob somewhere in the mix.

Well, there it is. The trend has now been set for the lefty celebrity appeasemongers.

I doubt anyone will recant or apologize or even grudgingly admit that there was any good done in Iraq.

I'm so dissapointed. I actually liked some of those actors, but I suppose I was being idealistic thinking that any of them could be adult about this.

I sent a rather brief one.... I let them know that I was disgusted by her Anti-Americanism (and general lack of integrity - i.e., her promise to Bill O'Reilly), and that no one in my household would every watch 5 seconds of that show.

Another non-apology at Instapundit

We most need to shine a light on the universities and the State Department. They are breeding problems in the shadows.

Boycott any business that sponsors her show.

Celebs might like negative publicity. But the businesses who are trying to make a living do not.

We have a constitutional right to boycott.

Boycotting is a very effective tool.

I sent a letter stating I would not watch that show and that I would also be sending letters to the sponsors.

Dunno about you guys, but isn't it standard operating procedure for parents to drum into kids from about the age of, oh, 2 or 3 onwards, to apologize when you're wrong?

Hell, I've still got the bruises to prove it.

I'll send a letter to ABC right now, thanks for the e-mail address Charles.

If she had apologized, I'd actually have made an effort to watch her show. But her arrogance has made me determined to avoid it and all her subsequent projects too (if she even has any)

She will never apologize, because in her fantasy world facts are irrelevant.

The Iraqis could be celebrating their liberation with a Texas pork barbeque, yet the idiotarians would be crying, "what about trichinosis???"

It also cracks me up that shutting down city streets or boycotting Dr. Laura is an act of patriotism, but not buying a Dixie Chicks CD is a sign of a totalitatrian state. What a bunch of dopes.

You guys are all so wrong you right wing warmongers.

The hollywood types speak out for the average american that has no voice in the tyranical regime of Ashcroft and Bush. Their predictions border on clairvoyance, their academic crudentials and years spent understanding current events more than entitles them to speak their mind to the world

I mean, Martin Sheen might not be the president, but he does play one on tv which is good enough for me.

Yours Truely,
Dope smoking rich college kid who refuses to sell out to the man as long as my corporate lawyer father is paying the bills.

My emails have gone off. With any luck I will wake up tommorrow and it will be just like the Peter Arnett fiasco.

Hey maybe Janeane can take her show to Arab-TeeVee too.

Is there a way to find out the sponsors now so that we can write a letter to them showing our displeasure? The sponsors' voices to ABC are a bigger influence than we are. Any ideas?

"Boycotters are welcome to keep giving me tons of publicity," she dared before reiterating, "There will be no apologies."

Attagirl, Janeane. Just keep pissing us off. Your career will take off like Ellen DeGeneres's (who?). We'll keep taking a collective dump on your head (and on the heads of your network and advertisers), and you can keep calling it "tons of publicity."

No one is going to watch the show. The best thing to do is just ignore her.

#9

I did.

I simply wrote to the network that their channel will be blacked out at my house any night that Jenny G is on.I like the sponsor contact idea.

Here is what I wrote to the ABC email Charles provided:

Of course, everyone has the right to say whatever they want. I also have the right to avoid anyone that sponsors speach I find abhorable. Exercising my right, I plan to avoid any ABC programming if ABC sponsors a sitcom from Janeane Garofalo. I believe she is a modern day Charles Lindbergh, having effectively supported the continued rule of Sadaam Husseein through her so called "peace" efforts, just as Lindbergh supported Hitler through his "peace" efforts.

I am sure liberals would support a boycott of a network that offerred a sitcom from an avowed KKK or Nazi member. I view the dictator that Janeane Garofalo supports through her actions just as abhorable as any racist, and will do just what the liberals would do, and that is avoid ABC.

Good day,

#9 -- sent mine last week.

Sorry, but I just don't watch that much TV -- especially the alphabet sitcoms. What show is she on and who are its sponsors? I saw her on Bill O'Reilly and thought she was a total dunce then and I think she's a total dunce now. I'll be happy to boycott her sponsors and let them know why.

I believe the word is "comedienne" (sorry Charles, had to say it). And she was terrific in the hilarious teen movie spoof "Hot Wet American Summer".

That said, what a weasel.

I would pay to see her bitch slapped and verbally assaulted each week

some sort of survival of the abused celebrity each week,

oh my, am I getting too roman about all this??

I wrote them and said that I'm just going to boycott the whole network...too bad, too, since I actually liked three of their shows a lot. :( My husband is really disappointed that we can't watch them. I'm also going to send letters to the producers of those three shows and let them know that while I'm a fan, I can't ethically watch the ABC network at all.

Heh...and the other day I was low on gas and I pulled into an Exxon station...then remembered why they were boycotted years ago for the Valdez disaster, and I pulled out and continued down the street...and found a Chevron station. To think, I couldn't even drive when it occurred. 15 years later and they're still not getting my business.

And the Seattle peaceniks say the hawks don't know what it's like to be committed to a cause...ha!

#26 Susan

You may be right. She and her producers know that her audience is mostly liberal X-gen and don't care what we think.

But if her ratings are weak, some of the sponsors and other producers on the sidelines who'd like to grab her "time slot" may go after her and work to get her booted off.

In the old days, (1980's and 1990's) if you wanted to boost your ratings, you'd try to get Jerry Fallwell (sp?) or Pat Robertson to condemn your show which would spur people to watch your show out of curiosity.

But after Sept 11, the TV viewers are a bit different. I don't think too many US viewers want to watch a "comic" who thinks America is a war-mongering nation.

Except the Left. They might watch her show to demonstrate their solidarity. But if they do, what kind of sponsors are going to place their ads in a TV time slot that is viewed by people who "take the bus" and shop for "rice and tofu?" Perhaps Volvo and a few others, in that case, I'm with you. Let's ignore her

copy of my email:

Greetings,

I was hoping you could send me a list of the sponsors for Janine Garafalo's new sit-com. I would like to avoid watching the program at all costs, and a list would save me much time in deciding which products to boycott.

It's OK if you cannot; I doubt FoxNews, or the multiple news outlets on the internet, would hasten to do so.

Sincerely,

#34

and the other day I was low on gas and I pulled into an Exxon station...then remembered why they were boycotted years ago for the Valdez disaster, and I pulled out and continued down the street..

Saddam did hundred times the environmental damage in Gulf War I, did you boycott Iraqi oil?

I think it was silly to expect anything but arrogance and contempt from Janine Garafalo. What she's saying is "I don't care if I was wrong. You are bad people and I'll never apologize to the likes of you. Oh, and sneer-sneer, you've just giving me free publicity, you knuckle-draggers."

Watch, her show will go in the toilet. It's just a matter of time. She was a bore even before she started shooting her mouth off about politics. Natural selection will take its course.

My email is off to ABC.

For a moment I entertained the thought of writing as if I were a confused old person who that Janeane Garafalo was a man; i.e. "That young man Jan Garagalo should apologize for being wrong about the war, like he said he would on Bill O'Reilly..." Just a fun thought.

You've got to give it to this woman. I mean, before all of this, she really was a second rate player in Hollywood, with a nominal following. A friend of mine who does standup in Manhattan had the pleasure of watching her bomb (she walked off stage after about ten minutes because she wasn't getting any laughs) at one of the major comedy festivals about six months ago.) She's made her name by saying that she's "ugly", and built a career around that (same with Bab's, but at least she has a voice).

Janine Garafolo: second rate performer, soon to be relegated to the showbiz has beens who have tried to revive stagnant careers by way of a sitcom. Say goodbye to Hollywood, Janine.

#37 et

You got me there. Show me how to tell what oil comes from Iraq and I'll boycott that, too. I wish you would have mentioned this previously.

Oh, wait...Saddam won't be controlling Iraq's oil anymore. What a moral dilemma...because now, that oil is supporting the Iraqi people's new independance. And boycotting it would be slapping down the Iraqis who have been oppressed for years.

Mail sent! And if anyone has some sponsor info, I'd be happy to e-mail them as well.

IYAAYAS

and remember, the JDAM is your friend!

Copy of my email to ABC - - not that I watch them anyway, but hey, WTH (posted for ideas for others, not for a pat on the back)

Dear ABC Staff:

An offer to pay me money NOT to watch ABC would hardly be more effective in ensuring that I never again watch your network, than providing Ms. Garofalo with a show on ABC.

It will be difficult to boycott the advertisers on Ms. Garofalo's show at first, but rest assured, word will spread as to who is advertising during her show's time period. Those companies will likewise lose my family's business.

If your own plummeting ratings during the Iraq War did not convince you that most Americans revile unpatriotic socialists such as Ms. Garofalo and Mr. Peter Jennings, perhaps the negative revenue backlash of featuring them prominently in your prime time lineup will open your eyes.

Sincerely,

(my real name and title)

I am not one to email with complaints but I had to for this. Here is what I emailed:

Subject: Put on Garofalo's sitcom

Email:
I say put her sitcom on cause I think that having a star supporting a dictator who has killed that many people can only be good for your ratings. Of course, I will be turning ABC off, but what do I know, I am just an average American fed up with lying people like Garofalo. But don't worry, I am sure there are plenty of elitists who will watch the show each week, because they are the demographic that watches half-hour sitcoms. So I say don't deny the lefties their 30 minutes of funny each week to break up the monotony of hatred they spew.

Victoria Chapman

#41

Oh, wait...Saddam won't be controlling Iraq's oil anymore. What a moral dilemma...because now, that oil is supporting the Iraqi people's new independance. And boycotting it would be slapping down the Iraqis who have been oppressed for years.

Gosh!

Caring-and-Making-Sure-The-Right-People-See-You-Ca ring is like sooooooo hard.

It's easier to just have principles (but that's like sooooo unkewl - did I get the youth culture spelling right? I never know).

#34
Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. John Stossel is doing a special report tonight on the American family and he is always worthy of our support.

How about a talk show where each week Garofalo interviews a pissed off Iraqi victim of Saddam, who first is shown Garofalos stupid anti-war comments and then the victim is given 25 minutes to slap Garofalo upside the head.

Maybe the audence could call in and vote what solid object garofalo should be hit with.

" Audence says, Amana steam iron, amana, maker of fine products since 1889!"

I sent an e-mail off.

"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, Ms. Garafalo. . . "

"An offer to pay me money NOT to watch ABC would hardly be more effective in ensuring that I never again watch your network, than providing Ms. Garofalo with a show on ABC."

What? I suggest that next time before you try to sound educated, you consult a style manual or someone with a working knowledge of English.

#50. It really doesn't matter what you say. (although it is sad that this was all you could come up with) ABC will get the point.

Michelle

Elitist,

That's funny. I'm a professional writer and Hobgoblin's syntax, while not scaling your mighty heights admittedly, didn't really bother me in the slightest.

I got H's meaning loud and clear. Did you?

What else matters?

#30 Davic - not to nitpick but I wish people would remember that Lindberg was against the US entering WWII (true) but once war was declared he served with distinction in the Pacific. To lump him in with Garafolo is an uncalled for insult to Lindberg.

I used to like Janeane Garafalo but she is starting to remind me off too many women I've met at parties on the Upper West Side of Manahattan over the past few years. Their hatred of the US and of Republicans is palpable.

#22

"the tyranical regime of Ashcroft and Bush." Tyrannical compared to whom? Saddam Hussein? No, I think the former (and hopefully late) president of Iraq could teach Ashcroft/Bush a thing or two about tyranny.

I don't know about you, but none of my rights have been taken away from me since Bush was elected, nobody I know has been thrown into jail and been tortured, or had their families held hostage/killed by the government. Are things that different where you are?

Disagree with the government if you like - I have no problem with that. But let's not go making it seem like we're the repressors. If we were so damned repressive, we would have received a much cooler reception over there than the ones I saw (oh, that's right, it was all staged!).

"Dope smoking rich college kid who refuses to sell out to the man as long as my corporate lawyer father is paying the bills."

I see that the government's 'tyranny' hasn't affected you so much. But I must be missing something. And those are some damned fine 'crudentials', if you ask me.

W

Here is the letter I wrote to ABC:

Dear Sirs:

I would be willing to watch precisely one episode of any new television show you present featuring Janeane Garofalo. During that episode, I will be writing down the names of every advertiser, so that I can send them each a letter informing them that I will never again watch that show, and will no longer buy their products.

Actors who publicly condemn the American way of life, and our government's obligation to defend it, have no moral right to derive any benefits from the freedoms they nevertheless enjoy. Do not make the mistake of considering this to be a call for censorship. ABC is not a governmental organization, and is not required to provide a job for anyone. Consider this instead to be a threat to your profitability as a public corporation, one which you have a fiduciary responsibility to avoid.

I guarantee that the people reading your e-mails sit around and laugh at some of the things being said. They will see all of this as making mountains out of molehills. You don't need to tell ABC, just don't watch the show. We can rest assured that this show will be a big loser economically for the company and leave it at that. The best bet is to target the sponsors. The sponsors will be the same as for any show on ABC with the exception of those that specifically sponsor one show (not likely for garafa"ho"). So watch some ABC, jot down their sponsors, and give them a communique stating your objections with JG and that their company will be with one less customer should they advertise during the JG time slot. Let them do the dirty work of informing ABC why they won't sponsor her show. Their money talks a lot better than the "lunatic right-wing ravings" of some joe schmo.

You know, Garafolo is an idiot for her stance against liberating the people of Iraq, but I hate Bill O'Reilly more than Garafolo and the Blixie Chicks put together.

If Garafolo crawls on broken glass, can we get O'Reilly to eat it?

How about a talk show where each week Garofalo interviews a pissed off Iraqi victim of Saddam, who first is shown Garofalos stupid anti-war comments and then the victim is given 25 minutes to slap Garofalo upside the head.

Maybe the audence could call in and vote what solid object garofalo should be hit with.

" Audence says, Amana steam iron, amana, maker of fine products since 1889!"

No, no, no, no! Obviously, Ms. Garafalo should be smacked upside the head repeated with a shoe, a la Saddam's statues. I can just see some old, gray-haired Iraqi going to town on her. I'd pay money to see that.

You want to get the boycott off the ground do two things: (1) Boycott ABC, not just her show. Let them feel it before the show even starts. Start picking out sponsers from whatever shows you watch on ABC and let them know that you will hold them accountable for supporting ABC. Let ABC feel the pain from all directions. (2) Make a list of everyone that specifically sponsers her show and put it on the web with email addresses and let every sponser know they are dead to you.

This isn't some religious family values based campaign (which often gets change) but an act of arrogance and anti-Americanism during a time of war. I think it will be easy to convince sponsers that its in their best interests to keep a long way away from this show.

This is what I wrote to ABC:

I once considered Janeane an extremely gifted comic and one of Hollywood's up and coming leading ladies. I fear she may have squandered her capital to preserve a Stalinist dictator. Too bad. She could have been great. I won't be watching her show.

While we're at it, anyone listen to Garrison Keillor lately? Jeez. He's another one that's pissing me off. He's been at it since Bush "stole" the election.

Before they start screaming "Freedom of Speech" these artists have to remember one thing: If they weave thier personal views into their "art" then they run the risk of offending someone somewhere.

And when support for the war and our President is hovering around 3/4 of the population, things could go badly for their careers.

They should just make it with the funny jokes and keep their politics to themselves.

b

I sent a letter to ABC detailing my reasons for not watching a show that features this liar.

Also, I suggested a new show to replace hers.

Jennifer Eccleston and Heather Nauert (from Fox News) star as scantily clad room mates with a wacky next door neighbor (me).

The plot: The trio often goes out and gets drunk and wakes up in various states of undress on the girls' living room floor the next morning.

I personally think letters are a waste of time,
unless you're doing it for your own psychology

these people need to feel physical pain, to be changed

something akin to horse whipping needs to be reinstated or popularized

of course loosing all your money and have to wait tables would be like physical pain in a way, so I guess
maybe the letters might help, even if indirectly

RightisRight,

Intriguing premise. Still need to work in Baghdad Bob somehow.

#45 Kevin

Caring-and-Making-Sure-The-Right-People-See-You-Ca ring is like sooooooo hard.

It's easier to just have principles (but that's like sooooo unkewl - did I get the youth culture spelling right? I never know).

Dude, yah...like, if the people don't see me out there doing stuff then how can I ever get the recognition that I don't deserve? OMG...living out principles...those are so rough and all that.

I should go get a sign..."Boycott ABC"...oh, wait...that might both spread the message and publically show that I care about something...what a dilemma.

WTH was your point, anyway?

Two tips to really make this effective:

Write to Disney as well with promises of boycotts (they are the parent company).

Actually write a physical letter and mail it. Email takes no effort; taking the time to actually mail a letter shows someone who isn't just blowing off steam and more likely to follow through with their threats. They are taken more seriously by management.

Bill (#62) - while Jeneie Garafolo was actually funny on "The Larry Sanders Show," it's virtually impossible to find anyone who actually listens to Garrison Keeler on National Palestine Radio. Besides, if you though "Mystery Men" was hard to sit through, we should make captured Iraqi generals listen to "Lake Woebegone" and they'll crack in ten minutes.

#50

LOL

Man, I should just stop trying so hard.

I guess my BA cum laude and JD (that's juris doctor to you, asslick) don't qualify as an education.

The comma was all that I should've left off (that'll teach me to write something quick from work). The rest is syntaxically and gramatically correct. Anachronistic, perhaps, but correct. You should stop using Microsoft Word to educate yourself in the English language.

Not all writing must take the form of simple, declarative sentences (for simple, declarative people). WFB and Leo Strauss are my paragons!

is there a way to hack into tv broadcast of her show and display american flag and her promise to appologize if she was wrong and her statement "nothing to appologize for?" over and over with some taped laughter after each?

Y'all should be boycotting Disney anyway. They're the sons of a motherless goat responsible for the Bono Copyright Extension Act and are one of the vilest corporations I can think of.

It's too bad all of Miyazaki's movies are being brought out by Disney's Miramax arm. I guess I'll have to find some fan dubs on Gnutella to view instead.

#63 RightisRight

Right on (sorry for the pun).

Heather Nauert should be on TV in far fewer clothes, far more often.

I said it before and i'll say it again, you need to email the parent corporation, as in the case or Arnett. In the case of ABC, email Disney- they are the sole owners of ABC and can decide what o quash and what not to.

:-)

Then write to the sponsors!

well now - this is bullshit - I defended her.

what a tool.

Eh, I'm hoping it'll get cancelled after the 2nd episode. Much more painful that way to her and her career that it die with a whimper. More painful to ABC that they pissed off viewers and sponsors to back a loser. Unless others write all her lines, she is animated, and someone else supplies her voice, I don't see the show being terribly enjoyable in the first place.

#63 RightisRight: You magnificent bastard!

What a lying little snot-nosed bitch.

I'd just like to say that:

1) She's a lying little snot-nosed bitch (I know I already said this but I have to keep repeating it out of sheer disgust and anger).

2) I've sent in my letter to ABC.

3) She's a lying little snot-nosed bitch (see point 1).

3) We should announce and hold a vomit-in on the steps of ABC in honor or that bitch's supporting crowd.

4) She's a lying little snot-nosed bitch (see point 1).

5) Somebody should get hold of her contact info and spam her email/mail/phone/fax with screams and 200 point heavy bold headlines of "LIAR!!!!!!"

6) She's a lying little snot-nosed bitch (see point 1).

I said I would wait until she either apologized or refused to to make my call.

She's full of shit, like so many others. It's one thing to stick with your guns, but if you state you'll apologize if you're wrong, DO IT.

No respect for her, and I won't watch her show. Actually, I never watched ABC anyway, so boycotting it won't be hard... only channels I'd find it difficult to boycott are NBC, Comedy Central, and the Cartoon Network, anyway.

To the people here who think writing letters/emails is a waste of time, I can assure you it's not.

I work in advertising.

Ad campaigns can get pulled virtually overnight due to bad press or irate letters.

Hell, a TV spot I wrote got pulled due to a grand total of 5 or 6 incredibly petty complaints from the folks out there in TV land.

Months of work down the drain overnight.

And you should see what negative comments accomplish in focus groups! Instant death.

You wanna see a grown exec quail in terror?

Send a thoughtful, negative response.

Here is a letter that I think shows the mentality of the "liberals" here in the U.S. I got this letter from the NY Post website [Link: www.nypost.com...]

Any proud American should be deeply alarmed by accounts of how the Dixie Chicks, Janeane Garofalo and now Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon are being punished for disagreeing with President Bush and his policies in Iraq.
It would never occur to this liberal to skip Bruce Willis' movies because he's a Republican or stop watching "Everybody Loves Raymond" because brilliant comedienne Patricia Heaton is pro-life.
Boycotting entertainers whose beliefs differ from one's own only dilutes the freedom we're supposed to be fighting to protect.

Katherine from
Manhattan

Did she care this way when Dr. Laura Schlessinger got her tv show cancelled in 2001? Or does that even count because she (Dr. Laura) is not of the proper ideology, and therefore is fair game?

If I could, I would ask Katherine from Manhattan this question. HOW? How does boycotting entertainers dilute our freedoms?

Thank you for listening (reading). I will now step down from my soap box.

Actually, why bother doing anything about ABC? Why take any interest in them at all? They're reducing themselves to irrelevancy all by themselves. Hiring J9 Grranimal will only help that process.

I loved one of the side stories at NewsMax linked at the bottom. What makes ABC think they can report on a war in Iraq when they're rapidly losing headway in the ratings war.

I already boycott Peter Jennings and his news broadcasts (actually I started after his coverage of 9/11). It won't be much of a sacrifice to totally boycott ABC. Boycotting is not censorship, it's American as apple pie (or grapes).

Who is Janeane Garofalo ? ( I don't watch ABCNBCCBS)

should I Google her?

I can only hope that there will be many lost careers as a result of the celebrity's misuse of their visability.

Spewing hate speech against the President and the administration especially during a time of war when troops are committed in battle should be punished not by the government, but by the people.

They have a right of speech and we have a right to vote with our dollars and letters.

I W O N ' T W A T C H I T. Period

"Boycotters are welcome to keep giving me tons of publicity," she dared before reiterating, "There will be no apologies."

What a class act!

rolls eyes in disgust

What's the big deal?

1) I would watch Garofalo's show if it was funny

1)a) but it won't be (the last star vehicle to be actually funny was Frasier, the last to even keep its head above water was Becker. Garofalo was not on Cheers, so her show will bomb. QED).

2) I didn't really want Garofalo to crawl on broken glass

2)a) but the apology she promised would have been nice

It comes from personal pride - never make a comment that you are unwilling to back up.

This female person (certainly not a "woman" or even less likely a "lady") fails to redeem her given word. Therefore, don't listen to anything uttered by this bag of flesh.

It's never fun to wear an asswhipping, or to publically apologize. What it does do is builds character.

Shje's a character, seriously in need of building.

Sapper Mike

I wonder if she will apologize to anyone WHEN her show FLOPS.

Maybe ABC will apologize to her when they see her ratings flatline.

"Sorry, Janeane. Maybe they just weren't ready for your oh-so-sophisticated smart-ass routine on prime time."

Hey elitist...

I know you're busy putting down Joe and Jane Six-pack, but could you take some time out to capitalize your nickname? You're using it as a proper name, so it should really be capitalized. This is what The Chicago Manual of Style states:

Proper Names
Q.
When a proper name begins a sentence, is it always capitalized, even when it’s a name commonly seen as lowercase (e. e. cummings, for example)?

A.
E. E. Cummings can be safely capitalized—not necessarily because he’s no longer around to object, but because it wasn’t his personal preference to lowercase his name (Encyclopædia Britannica, s.v. “Cummings, E. E.,” [Link: search.eb.com...] For those who do have a strong preference—bell hooks is a well-known example—you will want to respect it. This makes life difficult, however, for those of us who cannot bear to begin a sentence with a lowercase letter. CMS forbids so doing—we advise you to rewrite. Some publications simply ignore the preference (see Elise Harris, “That 4-Letter Word,” review of All about Love, by bell hooks, New York Times, January 30, 2000). Note that I’ve in turn ignored the capitalization in the Times’s review.

Thank you for your attention to this important matter.
-S. Razor

Sent a letter. I'll boycott. But when the NFL season kicks off, I'm caving. A principled stand is one thing, but no MNF? Can't see it. Unless of course, the geniuses-that-be decide that Gerafalo belongs in the booth for color commentary.

Nah. A comedian calling pro football? Not even a network exec could be that stupid.

Why don't we send her a box of broken glass and a copy of Twister?

Some people just don't have enough humilty to admit their wrong even when the PROOF is stares them right in the face and it appears that Mrs.Garoala is one of them.

Texan Jew- As an "average american", i.e. working stiff, self-employed, and actively involved in the arts on the side as a working musician in my community, i can wholeheartedly say Garofalo does not speak for me. Why, I've actually been known to admit i was wrong, and even apologize for it and often made amends for wrongs i had no hand in.

Perhaps i am not so average, though, in that i haven't owned a TV in 11 years. So i don't have that constant stream of blue-glowing indoctrination coming at me from Hollywood...

So, no worries about boycotting her lame show.. (most shows are lame, at least the ones i've had the misfortune of seeing when visiting friends).. as with no TV i'm actively boycotting everything on it.

Remember the '80s call of the alternative folks, the "left", the KILL YOUR TELEVISION? When did TV become the lefts favorite activity, second only to mindless protesting?

Kill your television.. you'd be surprised at the things you think when you aren't being told what to think anymore.

Well I wasn't going to watch her TV pilot regardless of her politics for the simple reason that she's just not funny.

As a comedian quipped to her during a Friars roast last year, "Janeane, your last movie was so awful, I fired MY agent!"

scratch that.. obviously thats a parody :P ehehe. *kicks self, adds dunce cap*.

It still stands, though, for any other real troll (or goblin, anymore) that might roll through on this thread.

(on a side note, about boycotts) i haven't given Taco Bell a dime of my money since 1993. I worked at one for a while, and that was a good enough reason for me to never spend any money at one again, ever. I'd rather starve.

PageSix.com has an interesting article about Garofalo.

She makes another statement that she may flip-flop over:

"If it means people make fun of me or think I'm a jerk, or I lose a job here and there, that means nothing to me."

I'll bet if ABC cancels her show due to negative feedback, she'll be singing a different tune!

I wrote a letter not only to abc but to my congressman asking for her to be deported to the West Bank. Her and those Dixie Chicks. I heard one of them said that she didn't like Pres. Bush and one of the other ones I heard may be a mid-wive. Burn them all. I heard Laurence Fishburne say some pretty lousy things about Pres. Bush too. We really need to work on a boycott of the Matrix sequals. Wasn't China against the U.N. resolution too. Boycott China.

Just two quick notes:

1) A written letter carries more weight than an email. It shows you were motivated enough to spring for a stamp, if nothing else.

2) Threatening a boycott of the advertisers is the only thing the network will pay attention to, and at that it's only when you start mailing the advertisers that they'll really start to care.

Proposal: The day after episode 1, we list all the companies that ran ads, with _snail mail_ addresses, and that week they get a deluge. This is the scenario that can produce results.

Sent my e-mail and will send a snail-mail version as soon as I get my new computer system (this week).

I wrote to ABC to tell them that not only would I not be watching the show and their network, but that I would also be contacting the sponsors of the show as well. In the past the left has made a great deal of noise here and there about various boycotts, but they lack one important advantage: numbers. There is no question that the attack on 9-11 has changed a lot of people's thinking about this country. People who in the past would not have given much attention to an issue such as this are now motivated to speak their minds, and be assured they are speaking in ever greater numbers. There are far more people in this country who value what it means to live here, than there are peace pukes who have poor grammar, no principals and lack the desire to get a real job. And now "the silent majority" are able to communicate with each other and to organize in a way which was not possible before. Talk radio, cable news and the Internet have changed the information landscape in a way which finally allows the people in fly over country to have a say and change things as never before. Welcome to the brave new world of responsibility and consequences Janeane. Hope you like it.

I don't know if her new series wil be any good or not, but personally I'm happy to watch Janeane Garofalo in any old rubbish. She is a babe. Mmmm pony tails and specs.

Garofalo only got as far as she did because she reminded many guys and girls of our first crush, Velma from scooby-do. But that was when we thought Garolfalo was smart. And is she so skinny after all tht complaining that hollywood made her do that to get parts.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

#19

"Apologizing too early" - is that anything like "toilet trained too early", that dread precoursor of Facism?

Go here and see Janeane eat crow.
Funny pic!!

#107 Barking Pumpkin

LOL! That's great! (Liked the pic of Chiraq, too.)

#105 (Piglet)

Thanks for the WaPo article. Velma was my first (and last) cartoon character crush as a kid; it's nice to know that other guys appreciated her too! :)

Who gives a shit what this woman thinks. It's not as if she was caught on camera clubbing baby seals! She voiced her shitty little opinion. Whoopadee do!!! Isn't that we are all doing here at LGF??

I think the best thing this woman can do would be to tell the public "fuck you, I can say and think whatever the hell I want". Then, she should take a dump. Not any place in particular, just take a dump.

Although I emphatically disagree with this stinky retardo, why should we crusify her for displaying her god given American right to be dumb? Let her discredit herself all she wants. It gives us something to talk about.

You people are like fucking Nazi's. America is sooooo right wing nowadays that when somebody says something that doesnt go along with the government or the uneducated ultra-nationalists, they are labled "unpatriotic"-whatever the fuck that means.(lots of shouting,blind support for government, and flag waving bollox I presume). I see some of you basically want to censor anybody that doesnt fall into line(Facism anybody?) Whatever happened to free speech? You basically want a state where everybody has to fall in line with the government dont you? You see the government as something infallable and almost God-like. If the States decided to bomb, ooo, lets say France right now youd support it wouldnt you? Fucking sad, and blind. If your government behaves recklously SAY IT! Dont put spin on matters and try to justify it. Thats REAL patriotism. Standing up for American principles-no corruption, justice for ALL(not just Israel), Fair treatment for all, and taking out any corrupt President who bends these principles. Your all cowards, and apoligists, too blind by "patriotism" to stand up to your corrupt government.

This is exactly what happened to Germany in the build up to Nazism and hate for the Jews. Hitlers party basically turned the whole country into a bunch of ultra-nationalist, xenophobic mobs who beleived all the spin and crap Hitlers party told them. They believed (like you with Al-Queda) that the Jews were bad, and action taken against them was "justified" and in the "best interests of Germany"

Not ONE person questions WHY most of the Islamic nations HATE the American admin. People dont harbour strong feelings without a PROPER reason-commen sense right? Your you just suddenly go and shoot your neighbour for no reason? NO. So why would an Arab hate the American Government for no reason??? "Jealous of American freedoms and principles" my ass!! For fucks sake think about it!!

For all you who beleive that, this is why most of the Islamic world(except for Americas puppet governments) hates the Americas disgracefull foreign policy:

- Critisizing Palestinian terrorism while staunchly defending Israels illegal occupation of Palestine and openly funding their own terrorism(26 UN resolutions and counting)-Why dont the states take out Israel-26 UN resolution, Nuclear Weapons, Illegal occupations, massacres?? the list goes on. Back in 1765 the Patriots would be regarded as terrorists, for attacking the British state in the US. Remember-One mans terrorist is another mans patriot

- Military bases in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait, Oman, Lebanon. So is it OK if my country puts military bases in the Carribian, Mexico, Canada and Texas??NO? then why is it OK for you to do so??

- Aggressiveness towards a growing list of Arabic nations for their own financial gane.

- Blatent disregard for Human Rights-what the fuck is going on Guantanamo Bay??? That place was chosen because technically it had no Law-so the States could do ANYTHING to the suspects(some have been told that there families will be murdered, and there daughters raped, and the man in question said that he would take pleasure in it! HYPOCRYTES!!!!!

-Wheres the weapons of mass destruction??? THEY DONT EXIST. BUSH IS A LIER! The world knows it! Everybody except you blindly patriotic fools!

#111

GAZE

#104 view from Ireland (trying to hijack another thread)

My basic impression of you is that you're basically a Quday and Usay Hussein fan. You know what they say about first impressions and all.

# 80 is spot on, and notice his/her choice of words:

Send a thoughtful, negative response

Ranting and raving gets you written off as a crank. Be polite, and be brief. And use snail mail. At my publication, e-mails are a dime a dozen, but snail mail means the writer put some time into it and it carries more weight.

But really, she's not that good and I don't see her show making it. Remember Ellen DeGeneres ranting that her show got cancelled because of homophobia? That wasn't true. Ellen had just ceased being funny when she went from commediane to crusader. People want to be entertained, not preached to.

#111

You really shouldn't drink before you post. It makes you sound hysterical.

Look in the phone book under "AA." Maybe they can help you.

Working bass-ackwards here folks. Put one foot on the floor so you don't get the spinny thing!

#104 VFI That just figures. Didn't JG make a movie about an Irish matchmaker? Years ago? I can see the two of you in your itchy tweedy-ness drinkin' black-n-browns at some dowdy pub and laughin' at each others hysterically not funny jokes!

#102 Way to GO Juliette!

#98 squib. DO tell that Taco Bell story. I have been addicted to b/c burritos since my rather slim $ college days.

#92 Remember Dennis Miller? who by the way is a big supporter of everything that is right with America.

#66 Cowgirl Carrie don' take NO SHIT!

#80 Wild Justice Tell us where?

#52 Wild Justice YES The point IS the point. Get it?

#50 elistist oh so get over yourself. the whole point of blogging is that you get to respond and speak your mind w/o the fear of being graded. it's all about the opinion and the immediacy. yes, it's wonderful when people follow standards(Chicago Style Manual or APA or whatever), but hey, it's even more wonderful when people JUST F'ing Communicate! This is not a 10,000 word paper for any major/minor universtity. Heck, this ain't even j.c. It is a community of people that are more interested in the sharing of opinions than impressing the cognoscenti. And you get after poor #43 hobgoblin w/o any remark to #29 davic...who manages to mangle the Enlish language as good as it gets....speach? abhorable? Of course, he probably meant abhorrent...but only an "Aunt Pitty-Pat" would be so un-kind as to find fault. Two-thumbs down to you!

And as for Janeane Garofolo... she is the worst of the worst. I cannot even think of anything to accurately describe how deficient I find her character and how irrelevant I find her opinion. I am waiting to hear from #80 Wild Justice that works in the ad game as to how best and most effectively express my disgust with this anomaly of the real world.

And thank you Charles for providing so much food for thought and such an awesome group of bloggers to hurl ourselves up against!

the Answers is simple for this problem.

Just don't watch the self rightous lady's show. Never liked her anyway

I forgot to add in response to someone's comment about Gen_Xers and high-schoolers not giving a shit and supporting JG....so not the case as far as I can see. My son attends a public high school in an upper middle class suburban so cal neighborhood and all of the anti-war protesters were stepped on or over. My older son is a total Gen-Xer and he is PRO PRO PRO war. I guess all of those years of adolescent video games paid off.

... blah blah blah Nazis blah blah blah racists blah blah blah fucking blah blah blah lies blah blah blah hypocrites ...

Nice to see how much more peaceful the peacers are getting.

E-thropy- I hope you dont work for N-thropy(IT company)! I hear you have a few tenders in at the moment.

Only a fool would call me a Hussein apologist. Infact I have mixed emotions about this war. But all the rest of Americas foreign policy, DONT even try to defend it. its indefensible.

Loook, Im happy to see so many in Iraq happy to be free(er) but Im unhappy about the huge human cost(more people killed than Sept 11-can we have a memorial??)

BUT, America is not in this to liberate anybody-its purely a bi-product. When exactly has America ever entered into a war when it didnt have its own interests at heart??? They pick and choose which ones to intervene in according what the US can gain from it.

Iraq is about the fact that when Iraq is conquered, the American oil companies move in to extract the oil, they get the contracts(irrelivent). What happens? Oil produce is doubled or tripled, oil prices plummet and therefore ,hey presto, the American economy sky-rockets. Whats Mr. Bush's main problem domestically?? ECONOMY.

Its also about gaining dominance in the region and surrounding nations that are hostile to American policy, with Pro-US states and puppet governments.

PS-I dare somebody to justify the CIA trying to overthrow a legitimate Venezuaelan Presidant and replaycing him with an oil barron! Come on!

#111

You and your liberati's need to learn the difference 'twixt censor and censure. Trust me, it will help you later in life. (A hint -boycotting is not censorship, try to wrap your mind around the notion of a free market.)

After you've learned that difference, work on learning what the Constitution actually says rather than relying upon what someone once told you.

After that, try a few courses in logic and reasoning.

Until such time as those tasks have been completed, you remain among the pseudo-intellectuals and unequal to the task of debate.

Ta-ta~

Well, I take the day to drive to DC and look at all the trolls! VFI of course is attempting to hijack another thread. And behold, another VFI clone! Jonathan, dude, go back on your meds, they really help!

Completely OT
I checked into my hotel a couple of hours ago. I took a walk down T street to get a beer or six. As I was walking back, I was accosted by a peacenik! She was "appalled" by my t-shirt! She was yelling at me claiming I was a facist baby killer! WHOOOOHOOO! BTW Charles, thanks for the LGF t-shirt!

She's not funny, either. Let's see how the ratings for her show turn out.

DBC, True to your name your outrageous logic is ridiculous to say the least.

Why, in Gods name, would you want to boycott a program because somebody aired a different view to you?????? Like, SMART.

Are you a Facist or what??? You obviously dont believe in free speech and want only State run television ala Iraq.

That point of view is extreame to say the least and more Ultra-Nationalist crap.

# 124

(Yawn)

#121: Good recommendations all. And might I add, Jonathan, you should learn to spell, capitalize and punctuate correctly. Then maybe the grown-ups will actually pay attention to your pathetic, poorly expressed rant. Or not.

Could somebody please tell me what exactly is so unbelievably offensive about what Genniene Gorofolo said that makes you all want to boycott her programmes??? Does she eat babies or something?

126- its 2:30 in the morning here-do you think I care about punctuation marks at this hour of the noght?

#122

Reaganite, were you in uniform? Is that what prompted the outburst? Or was it the LGF shirt?

#111 Jonathan

Is your stupidity congenital (hydrocephalia) or environmental (blunt force trauma from a clue by four)?

You people are like fucking Nazi's.

I invoke Godwin's Law - you lose!!

Whatever happened to free speech?

Who is stopping Grranimal from voicing her opinion? As a citizen of this country, she's entitled to spew. Why is the consuming public responsible for giving her a bully pulpit?

You basically want a state where everybody has to fall in line with the government dont you?

No, we're saying she's an idiot and a liar. Why are you trying to censor THAT? Why is it not okay to have that opinion?

You see the government as something infallable and almost God-like.

Nope, they're completely fallible. C.f. Tom Daschle, Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, Senator Byrd, Governor Gray Davis and a host of others.

If your government behaves recklously SAY IT

No problem. Unfortunately for you, just because you believe it doesn't mean we do.

Standing up for American principles-no corruption,

No corruption - what color is the sky in your world? Nice goal and one with which nobody disagrees. Doesn't change the fact that graft and corruption are there.

justice for ALL(not just Israel),

Hmmmm justice for all. And just how WAS Saddam just? How was he principled? How was he fair? Oh wait - you mean the Arab refugees in the disputed territories of Israel.

Fair treatment for all, and taking out any corrupt President who bends these principles.

Taking out? Interesting phraseology there. Name a president who hasn't bent those principles - just ONE.

Your all cowards, and apoligists, too blind by "patriotism" to stand up to your corrupt government.

I'll take my corrupt government over whatever passes for a government in your neck of the woods. It allows you to be the idiot you've been here.

They believed (like you with Al-Queda) that the Jews were bad

Cute, you antisemitic piece of filth. I love the way you equate the Jews with al-Qaida.

Not ONE person questions WHY most of the Islamic nations HATE the American admin.

Fairly simple really and it has nothing to do with this administration. They hate the west. They hate because they have been taught to hate. They hate because their culture is an abject failure and rather than do some serious self-examination, they'd rather blame others.

People dont harbour strong feelings without a PROPER reason-commen sense right?

Wrong!

Critisizing Palestinian terrorism while staunchly defending Israels illegal occupation of Palestine

Repeat after me - "There isn't nor has there ever been an Arab nation of Palestine." The closest thing to it is called Jordan.

(26 UN resolutions and counting)

For all the use the United Nations has proven to be. Occupation of Western Sahara, French atrocities in the Ivory Coast, inability to solve the problems in Rwanda, Kosovo, Somalia to end the Syrian occupation of Lebanon, the unwillingness to do anything about Iraq after 18 resolutions. Likewise, there are two different types of UN resolutions of which only Iraq and North Korea have had the "binding" kind issued against them. AND the UN resolutions are bi-partisan. The Arab refugees have yet to EVER fulfill their side.

Back in 1765 the Patriots would be regarded as terrorists, for attacking the British state in the US. Remember-One mans terrorist is another mans patriot

Back in 1776 (a tad more accurate really) the colonialists weren't strapping explosives to themselves and blowing up women and children either. Nice moral equivalency, brain-dead.

Military bases in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait, Oman, Lebanon

And of course none of these were asked for. The Saudis in no way wanted the protection of the United States from an agressive, opressive Iraqi tyrrant?

So is it OK if my country puts military bases in the Carribian, Mexico, Canada and Texas??NO? then why is it OK for you to do so??

That depends - have you been asked to? We were.

Aggressiveness towards a growing list of Arabic nations for their own financial gane (sic).

9/11 never happened? Al Qaida wasn't responsible? The Saudis, Syrians, Iranians, Iraqis, Algerians and all other manner of Islamists don't support terroristism? They pissed off the United States one too many times and now have to suffer the consequeces. Remember, it was you who mentioned cause and effect. They were the cause and this is the effect.

Blatent disregard for Human Rights-what the fuck is going on Guantanamo Bay??? That place was chosen because technically it had no Law-so the States could do ANYTHING to the suspects(some have been told that there families will be murdered, and there daughters raped, and the man in question said that he would take pleasure in it! HYPOCRYTES!!!!!

Care to provide proof for ANY of this? Maybe these people should have thought twice about taking arms against us hmm?

Wheres the weapons of mass destruction??? THEY DONT EXIST. BUSH IS A LIER! The world knows it! Everybody except you blindly patriotic fools!

Gee - a month in and you're saying there are no WMD. More questionable material has already been found in one month than Hans (hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil) Biix and his cast of clowns could find in 12 years?

I don't know why I wasted my time on you other than to sharpen my own knowledge. Others will happily provide links or I may myself down the line. By the way, tinfoil hats don't do anything for your condition.

#124

Sir,

Surely you cannot mean to impugn my logic. Again, you portray your absolute ignorance regarding the meaning of free speech.

Boycotting anything is (gasp) a most time-honoured and effective manner of displaying free speech. Surely, you wouldn't disabuse anyone of exercising that right.

Allow me to explain: Aforementioned actress/comedienne has the right to say what she pleases. However (and this is where it gets complicated), she does not have the right to be unanswered.

As to your unwarranted belief that I might be a fascist or ultra-nationalistic...I can only respond as previously implied -a dictionary and learning to actually think rather than regurgitating what you've been told might be something into which you should look.

Like, totally dude!

#119 Steve in BDA

Nice to see how much more peaceful the peacers are getting.

Slightly more peaceful, anyway.

BTW, Charles! We need a sunlight substitute!

Yeah! Lets boycott all her programmes!! How dare she critisize our grand wizard GWB!!! Who the hell does she think she is expressing her opinions????

*God, Bless America-the land of the free*-Democracy rules.

(followed by singing of national anthem, crying when seeing the flag, and then lots of shouting and burning Geneine Gerofolo effigies on a stake)

Jonathan,

I own and operate 2 small businesses. If I went on local cable access and said "I think ALL liberals are scum. They are all morons. They are an uneducated lot that do not speak for the country "

How many liberals would hire me?

They believed (like you with Al-Queda) that the Jews were bad, and action taken against them was "justified" and in the "best interests of Germany"

Are you equating the Jews in pre-war Germany with Al-Queda? Funny, I don't seem to have ever read about the Jews blowing up the buildings of the Third Reich.

Do us all a favor, and take a logic class. You really need to learn how to argue your point.

#130

Cute, you antisemitic piece of filth.

I wish I'd thought of that...

#129 Emmett
When I do these details I don't wear my uniform. It was the LGF shirt! I thought this girl was going to blow a gasket since I couldn't stop laughing.

Johnathan (#111)

"Blatent disregard for Human Rights-what the fuck is going on Guantanamo Bay??? That place was chosen because technically it had no Law-so the States could do ANYTHING to the suspects(some have been told that there families will be murdered, and there daughters raped, and the man in question said that he would take pleasure in it! HYPOCRYTES!!!!!"

Uh, bub?

The Red Cross signed off on Guantanamo, and inspect there regularly. You're using European spellings, and your spelling and syntax (not to mention punctuation) look like they're from someone who's been up way too long and had far too much caffeine.

Now, we're finding more bodies every day of those people that Saddam and his regime had killed. Seems to me you'd want to worry about someone who can be verifiably accused of torturing a population, instead of some unverifiable thing that you may have heard from someone who heard it from a friend who thinks he saw it on the internet somewhere, but he doesn't know where.

Whenever you post something like what you've done, remember that fact ALWAYS trumps emotion.

J.

Ntropy- one word- your scum.

Ill equate the Israeli's ATM to the Nazi's all fucking day. Biggest hypocrytes that ever walked the earth.

How fucking dare you call me blinkered!!! Ive just pointed out how you lot are blind, and of course you throw it all back at me using absolutly no common sense at all. Infact you may well have lifted your response straight from G.W Bush's State of the Nation speech.

DONT DEFEND YOUR COUNTRIES ACTIONS- YOU LOOK STUPID.

Last thing- if you think that Sept 11 happened because these people simply hate you, then you are quite possibly the most ignorent asshole that ever walked the earth. Read a bit more.

DONT DEFEND YOUR COUNTRIES ACTIONS

I have only one country. Speak for yourself Jihad Johnny.

Charles
How about punting this asshole Jonathan? He's quite disturbing, bad grammar, bad diction, hasn't a clue to punctuation, sure can't spell, and oh yeah, an anti-Semite to boot.

Jonathan, your ignorance of this country is appalling. In this country, Ms. Garofalo can shout what she pleases from the very rooftops. We, in turn, can shout back that she doesn't know what she's talking about and do that metaphorical shouting with our wallets since most of us don't have a television studio in which to do our shouting, like she does. She has 3 choices:

1. Formulate a more convincing argument.

2. Get mad, shout back and call us names.

3. Grow a thicker skin.

The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution relates to the Government suppressing free speech. We, as citizens, can shout each other down all we want.

That's your first and only lesson in Constitutional Law. If you can't understand that, you are either being willfully obtuse, or you're just trying to start shit. Either way, I'm not wasting anymore time on you.

At least there's one site that tells it like it is...

While the world witnessed the widest ever global protests against launching a preemptive war, dismissed by the White House as misguided focus groups not worthy of listening to, America and Britain hastily prepare to bestow on the shell-shocked Iraqis a blend of the polices of John Ashcroft and Britain’s David Blunkett that will make the average Iraqi with an iota of intelligence mourn for the return of Saddam Hussein or a merciful dose of yet-to-be-found chemical weapons to self-destruct en masse. Of course only civilized executions by lethal injections or electric chairs will be allowed now, and only if ordered and sanctioned by the new democracy the Iraqis involuntarily sacrificed their kids for.

and

As prisoners of war, thought to be tortured and murdered at the hands of Iraqi soldiers, are recovered relatively unharmed, America’s complaints of Geneva Convention violations to the United Nations, whom it defied in the first place by waging the war, seem even more vacuous than they did prior to the recovery. Rumsfeld’s chilling words, and Bush’s arrogance appear to have come back to haunt America. Asked on January 2, 2002, to respond to reports of torture and mistreatment of the shackled and blindfolded prisoners in Cuba, Rumsfeld spouted: “To be in an eight-by-eight cell in beautiful, sunny Guantanamo Bay is not a – inhumane treatment. And it has a roof. They have all of the things that I’ve described. And how each person is handled depends on where they go.” Well, seems like the desert is pretty sunny too, and that the torture chambers have not only roofs but walls as well. And how each person is handled depends on where they go-- whatever the hell that means.

God bless Annoy.com

Just yesterday, there was a cartoon in the
Opinion section of the Wisconsin State Journal(the less-biased
Newspaper
In Madison) where Bush is
Serving in
A café, and ChIraq, Schredder, Vlad
The Putin, and a
Rather large number
Of others who said there would be
Loads of difficulty in Iraq are seated. Bush has
Lying on a plate a cooked bird, and says "Your crow is served."

Jonathan,

My boycotting a person whose words or actions I find offensive is not fascism, nazism or ultra-nationalism and it is not censorship. It's a decision that I make after weighing the facts. People acting alone or in concert with other individuals can make this decision and it is strictly democratic. If the government decided that Ms. Garafolo could not appear on television or radio that would, indeed, be unconstitutional censorship and I would oppose it.

P.S. Please stop calling people "fascists" and "nazis", these words have become perjorative epithets that have lost heir true meaning because of their misuse by people like you.

# 142

You quoted a sneering opinion column that is supposed to prove what?

#145 Emmett
It's mad monday, the trolls are out in force!

#127: Hm. Perhaps it's because she peddled herself as a paragon of principle, and staked her reputation on her principled protests...and when her predictions were proved wrong by reality, she didn't have the strength of character to provide the apology she promised.

It's not because she was factually wrong.

It's not because we have a different view.

It's not even because she had the nerve to violate Rechtsminister Ashcroft's "right-thinking" decrees.

It's because she's a HYPOCRITE. And a blatant, public, in-your-face, "I could give a crap what you think" type of hypocrite.

Had she instead apologized per her earlier promise, I can betcha the folks around here would be mightily impressed. Stunned, through-the-looking-glass, bizarro-world stunned, but impressed nonetheless.

#120 Jonathan

Iraq is about the fact that when Iraq is conquered, the American oil companies move in to extract the oil, they get the contracts(irrelivent).

Oh okay. It's all about the oooooiiiiiillll. If it's all about the oil, why aren't we drilling in ANWR? Why are we not further investigating (and exploiting) petroleum resources available off the coast of Calfornia and in the Gulf of Mexico? Why are we not dealing with a Monroe/Truman doctrines nation (Venezuela)? None of those situations would have brought nearly the amount of domestic or international outcry that the war in Iraq has. And had it whether it was TotalFinaElf or some American company doing the oil work, it STILL would come to market and STILL would do the same thing no?

PS-I dare somebody to justify the CIA trying to overthrow a legitimate Venezuaelan Presidant and replaycing him with an oil barron! Come on!

Do you believe everything you read? I'm immediately suspicious of anybody who refers to the current government as . "the Bush junta" and makes continued reference to "the elites". We aren't beyond it, I'll give you that. It has been American policy to be the Western Hemisphere's policeman for almost 100 years now. I simply doubt the sources I found.

#142 says:

"GLUG UGH BLUB BLUUUUB GLUUUUB"

As she grasps in vain for a thin branch above the quicksand.

Buh bye Anne and ilk. Your idiocy has been noted by the general populace. As such, you have been deemed irrelevant... your worst nightmare.

Reaganite:

That's no shit.

So, how did you attact the fire-breathing peacenik who tried to bring you around to her way of thinking with that great ice-breaker "baby killer"? Were you in uniform?

Oooooh ... trollfest!

Jonathan, you aren't trying to censor us by telling us not to defend our country's actions, are you?

BTW, nice job NTropy, although I sure you felt like you were shooting fish in a barrel.

BTW, nice job NTropy, although I sure you felt like you were shooting fish in a barrel.

Heheh, I think it was more like "Shooting crippled weasels in a cage"

#138

*sigh*

Johnny, Johnny, Johnny,

When will you learn? People hate for all kinds of reasons. Often, that hatred has no discernible or reasonable precipitating factor. I'm sure that you could come up with any number of examples of that. I'll help you out, though...

There are groups of people who hate other groups of people for the simple reason that the "others" have a different skin colour. I hope you're not shocked at that.

Since all of those people hate the "others", should we give credence to that hatred? By your logic, we should. Why...they hate them, so there MUST be a valid reason!

Now, I happen to be married to an Arab who came to the US to gain something he never had in his own country -Freedom; and flee something he didn't want -hate. When I question him about why the "arab street" hates us so much...he gives an alarming answer. You should probably sit down for this because it may be a stunning revelation to you. "They are taught to hate you. They spread it because they feel impotent. And, they feel impotent because they fear looking within. They have no concept of truth or Truth."

It comes down to something as incredibly simple as that. It is much easier (but infinitely less effective) to hate others for what they have than to work to achieve the same thing. It's easier to flail about than to have a long dark tea-time of the soul.

Toodles~

#150 Emmett
I was just walking down the street in my LGF shirt! See my post #136.

Slightly OT, Taranto in Best of the Web in [Link: www.opinionjournal.com...] says that the hatred for America and George W. Bush that many on the Left have is similar to the type of hatred some fans have for the New York Yankees and George Steinbrenner. I have little doubt in my mind that if Bill Clinton or Al Gore were substituted for Geroge W. Bush but pursued the exact same policy towards Iraq, Garafalo et al would be fervent hawks.

Ah, so not a single valid criticism. That's why I quoted that site. It's the first honest thing I've read since the war began, and not much you can argue is wrong.

Reaganite

Bwa ha ha ha! That's it, I'm ordering a shirt! I don't want to miss any of the fun.

I'm confused.

I thought Janeane Garofalo had a right to express an opinion. She has a right to do this on her TV show. Therefore, she has a right to a TV show.

To put on a TV show, it must be profitable. It must have advertisers. The advertisements must cause people to buy the products.

Therefore, Janeane Garofalo is entitled to send folks with guns to force us to buy products which advertise on her show. Anything less than us buying lots and lots of stuff is censoring her right to free speech.

Right?

Jonathan, in America we can watch whatever show we want to (or turn the TV off for that matter.) If we choose to not watch her show, fine.

In America, I can buy whatever product I choose. If I don't like a product, for ANY reason, I don't have to buy it. If, in my opinion, a company endorsing a TV show I dislike is reason enough to boycott that company, that is all the reason I need.

Maybe we're a tiny group of wackos. Maybe losing a hundred customers nationwide won't matter. But maybe many Americans feel like this, and maybe companies that advertise on her show will suffer economic damage.

But how does my choosing to buy a different brand of potato chips make me a "fucking Nazi?"

Guys and Dolls,

If this weren't virtual, it'd be different. I'd stick a shank in this bitch. But since we can't snuff him...

GAZE at the troll.

:-)

Jonathan,

You must be retarded. In addition to crazy spelling and punctuation errors, there are too many distortions of fact and logic to even make out any relevant point.

From now on, please just place the phrase "[sic]" after every third word that you write, so that you can save anyone who might quote your piece a little bit of time.

As for your interpretation of the facts in Venezuela, please take the time to learn to spell the name of the country before you pontificate on its domestic politics. I know that might be difficult, but try anyway.

I have family from Venezuela that have had to flee. Chavez was elected, but has unilaterally changed the country's constitution, and essentially made himself president for life. This myth that he is a democrat is the product of the "liberal" media - and liberal is in quotes because it traditionally meant the idea that men should govern themselves.

Jonathan, crack a book or something. Just because everyone at your community college is impressed with the idiocy you can spout from a small book by Chomsky does not mean you are actually smart. Go back to the Starbucks at the mall and criticize the government for the benefit of your community college friends.

#156 Ann

Ah, so not a single valid criticism

Post a valid source, we might consider it. But come on, seriously annoy.com? The name fisks itself!

#156

Ah, so not a single valid criticism.

Criticise what? Somebody's opinion couched in sneering hyperbole? What of it?

#157 Emmett
Join the fun! Be the first kid on your block to spark seething and anger!

#138 Jonathan

Ntropy- one word- your scum.

What about my scum? Finish your sentences goofy. BTW, that was two words.

Ill equate the Israeli's ATM to the Nazi's all fucking day. Biggest hypocrytes that ever walked the earth.

If it makes you happy. I don't think you'd know a Nazi or a hypocrite if you saw one though.

How fucking dare you call me blinkered!!!

Pretty easy really. Anonymous (for the most part) board here. Look, I'll do it again. You're a blind, impotent leftist moron who subscribes to all the old conspiracy theories he can find to make himself feel better for living so miserably.

Ive just pointed out how you lot are blind, and of course you throw it all back at me using absolutly no common sense at all. Infact you may well have lifted your response straight from G.W Bush's State of the Nation speech.

No, what you've done is what every other mindless, robotic troll who drops in here does. You've dropped all your leftist propoganda as if it were factual like a steaming pile of excrement then shouted at how uneducated we all are while you hold the position of professor emeritus of all things truthful. Guess what? You're full of crap and neither I nor anybody else here has the slightest problem telling you that.

DONT DEFEND YOUR COUNTRIES ACTIONS- YOU LOOK STUPID.

Unless you're on a farm or in a garden, don't spread your manure. It makes you stink......wooops too late!!

#142 Ann

Well you made it to Little Green Footballs - you finally found it. Thank God annoy doesn't pass itself off as anything but parody.

#146 reaganite

I wish I'd noticed sooner, I wouldn't have wasted my time. I thought ol' Jonny was the only one.

#156 Ann -

The first paragraph of text talks of how bitter our troops are that they were sent in in insufficient numbers for the job.

They appear to have done the job. We control the nation of Iraq. We face no organized opposition, and sporadic local fighting is decreasing.

So the first paragraph of text (entitled "The Madness of Queen George" showing bias right away) hits a bit of a logical stumbling block.

Not that I had high hopes from a place called annoy.com.

#164 NTropy
I know sniping tolls can be fun, especially if you're drinking. But damn son, haven't you wasted enough facts on port-o-john? Time to give up on that one. Let's start picking on Ann now!

My message to ABC?

I am a moderate that honors free speech. Sincere war protests have a vital role in being protected from retaliation. But I have a MIA Marine's house 3000 feet away from mine that I see everyday on the way to work. He is a Thai immigrant and likely dead. I contrast his service to our country with millionaire Garagolo's detestation of his values. She is not a protestor of conscience but a true anti-American.

If Garafolo uses her show as a platform for her further America-bashing, I am gone from ABC and I will seek to know and boycott all her sponsors.

Garofalo shows her true colors as the weasely, self-serving, unprincipled disgrace that she is. People will remember this. I predict if the show tanks, she will whine how it's censorship because of her opposition to the war.

#161

Post a valid source, we might consider it. But come on, seriously annoy.com? The name fisks itself!

Who cares about the source. The content is what counts.

#162

Criticise what? Somebody's opinion couched in sneering hyperbole? What of it?

Did you mean the OpinionJournal? I see someone quoted that.

#138 Jonathan

DONT DEFEND YOUR COUNTRIES ACTIONS- YOU LOOK STUPID.

What about the people who think hurling on municipal land is a legit method of protesting?

#167 Ran
Holy shit! There is some good in you after all.

#124 Jonathan

Why, in Gods name, would you want to boycott a program because somebody aired a different view to you?????? Like, SMART.

Well, it worked for the left (Dr. Laura Schlesinger).

I never considered boycotting Garofalo due to her views. Heck, I have relatives with similar views. Her lack of character (weaseling out of a very public promise) and her attitude (pretending that there is nothing to apologize for) are the problem.

Also, her statement regarding potiential publicity toward any boycott directed at her shows a general contempt for the American viewing public. That's why I will choose not to spend money with the companies/corporations that will sponsor her show. And it's my right to make such a decision and my right to make that decision in public.

You may call that decision stupid. It's your right to voice that judgment. And it's my right to ignore that judgment and press on with the boycott.

The only free speech right we're guaranteed in this country is that the government will not attempt to censor speech or censure an individual for that speech.

Since this won't be a government boycott boycott, I'd say that the rights of all involved parties are safe.

#169 Ann

Who cares about the source. The content is what counts.

So, by your standard, if I quote a KKK site it's valid? Oh wait, my bad, you were going to quote them next right?

#166 reaganite

I'm still rolling from your LGF t-shirt story. Dang that was funny.

After Johnny began name-calling and basically said "I told you the truth and my word is gospel," I figured I'd sit back and just snipe at technicalities. It's much more fun since facts apparently aren't a big part of his repetoire.

As for Ann's - I figured Annoy was just another Onion. You know it's just another Onion, right Ann? It's all parody. Nothing there is serious. I mean only the most feeble actually believe that tripe.

How does defending Uncle Sam's actions make me look like a dork?

#174 NTropy
It's funny, I'm career military bomb squad, my oldest brother is career Green Beret, my middle brother is a peacenik. I keep wondering if I should tell him about LGF. I imagine he would have a coronary if he read one thread on this blog.

As for my LGF shirt, my goal on this trip is to get that shirt photographed in some non-available places. Wish me luck, it's one of those "lose my job if caught" schemes!

Now for Ann, she's ignorant, she doesn't know what parody means. Silly girl.

#173

So, by your standard, if I quote a KKK site it's valid? Oh wait, my bad, you were going to quote them next right?

You can't even compare Annoy and the KKK. That's just silly.

#174

You know it's just another Onion, right Ann? It's all parody. Nothing there is serious. I mean only the most feeble actually believe that tripe.

I don't think so NTropy. Refute this.

Reports from troops in Iraq revealed deep-seated resentment that the Pentagon did not sent enough troops to wage the war the way they wanted to fight it and that Rumsfeld, who has never dug a foxhole in his life, is out of touch with the realities of war. He increasingly sounds irked, defensive, irritated and less in command, as his generals towering above him, cower in his presence, looking comically pathetic. As the realities of the Bomb Now, Plan Later campaign come home to roost, Rumsfeld has become the crusty old American version of Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, insisting that the rampant looting, as clear as the falling statues, is a media exaggeration.

#177 Ann

You can't even compare Annoy and the KKK. That's just silly.

Damn it! You just made me spit good beer all over my screen! Are you really that ignorant?

Refute this.

Have you actually watched any news, on any channel in the last 3 weeks? You are amazingly stupid!

#111

"BUSH IS A LIER"

Lier? is that like a Mason's thingy? or you just plain stupid? I am betting on just plain stupid, but unlike Janeane Garofalo, if you meant a Mason thingy then I will apologize to you in front of God and everyone else

p.s. Bush is President might as well sit back and enjoy the ride for the next 6 years - but then do not get to comfy as Jeb will be President the next 8 years after than then maybe Jeb's son

Well, Rumsfeld has always sounded irked and irritated when answering stupid questions.

How do his generals tower over him and cower at the same time?

If this is "Bomb now, plan later" why are our forces in control of the entire nation? What a failure...

You're right about one thing, it's not the Onion. When the Onion goes on a Photoshopping spree, they don't put the heads of male politicians on naked female bodies. And if they did they'd get the scale and perspective right.

But the site does seem to take itself seriously. I just don't see any reason why I should.

Sorry, #180 was addressed to Ann, regarding annoy.com, a site which will now join DU as "too stupid and too bad for my blood pressure."

#178 Reganite,

You have to forgive Ann. She['s a] just Can't Understand Normal Thinking :-)

[Dark, malevolent laughter]

(Yeah, we're laughing at you Ann, not with you [Pity we don't have a symbol for a snear. We can smile, wink, yell, etc., but not snear. Such a shame ;-)])

#177 Ann

I've spent enough time shovelling troll doodie. Read what I said to Johnathan and apply it to yourself:

No, what you've done is what every other mindless, robotic troll who drops in here does. You've dropped all your leftist propoganda as if it were factual like a steaming pile of excrement then shouted at how uneducated we all are while you hold the position of professor emeritus of all things truthful. Guess what? You're full of crap and neither I nor anybody else here has the slightest problem telling you that.

I've read what you posted. What is there to refute? That there may be some malcontents in the armed services? Hell, we had one throw hand grenades at his own people.
What's to refute? That there are some armchair generals who would have done things differently than Tommy Franks? How do things look in Iraq right now? Who controls the major Iraqi cities, coalition forces or despotic Hussein Ba'athists?
What's to refute? That after 25 years of repression, state sponsored torture and abuse some Iraqis went nuts at being able to do as they pleased, perhaps for the first time in their lives? I'd be worried if it continues unabated but it won't.
What exactly is your point? That war sucks? Gee, that's news. Face it, you've said no more than your boyfriend Johnathan the troll.

I wish you would stop attacking everybody constantly. Right wingers are lousy lovers and there constant hate is a way to cover that. They fear intimacy. Who wants a piece a me fascists?

#182 Iron Fist
Dude, thanks for the chuckle! Do you think she'll get it??

#180/181

Oh please, give me a break. I don't agree with everything on Annoy. They seem just as anti-Clinton as they are anti-Bush. And by the way I found them through the Wall Street Journal which is also how I found this site so maybe youre right . Why should anyone take them seriously.

#184 Keith
What piece?

there constant hate is a way to cover that

And what the hell does this mean?

I'm just surprised that you can take yourself seriously, Ann.

And hey, REFUTE THIS:

Neener neener neener, we won the waaaar, yoo were wro-ong, neener neener neeeeeener.

Why are trolls so uniformly illiterate?

#185 Reganite,

Dosen't look like it :-)

#188 Steve in BDA
Now now, being right doesn't mean you can be silly, oh wait, yes it does!

#111 & 120

patriotism n. Devotion to one's country.

Don't confuse freedom of speech and freedom to debate with patriotism. Freedom of speech hasn't gone anywhere. It's alive and well. Janeane Garofalo has the freedom to say whatever she wants.

The Constitution, however, doesn't protect her from the consequences of her exercising her right to freedom of speech, when those whose freedom of speech disagree with her, or when those with freedom of choice choose not to support those who support her. There is no censorship involved. No one here has suggested that she be muzzled. That would be censorship.

"Everybody has to fall in line with the government"? I don't think so. That's why we have elections, as well as the freedom to disagree, as well as any other freedom you would care to name. What we don't have is freedom from consequences. I have the freedom to tell my boss to stick his opinions where the sun doesn't shine, but there is nothing in the Constitution to prevent him from firing me.

If we were to bomb France, that would be behaving recklessly. Comparing such a course with our actions in Iraq is comparing apples to oranges. Saddam was bent upon terror and destruction, Chirac's only fault is stupidity...not reason to bomb France. So far our government hasn't behaved recklously, other than perhaps allowing the Security Council too much time to jerk us around. On the contrary, it has been the recklessness of previous administrations that allowed Saddam and Osama to get as far as they have.

You equate America's feelings toward al Qaeda with Hitler's view of the Jews. That's a stretch. I don't recall history ever mentioning Jewish attacks or aggression against Germany.

Why do most Islamic nations hate America? Because they are indoctrinated into hatred from birth by their rulers, who hate us because of our support for Israel. I don't consider that to be "disgraceful foreign policy."

Disgraceful foreign policy is that which was perpetrated by the U.N. and others in 1946 when they allocated to Israel only a fraction of the land that had been theirs since the time of Abraham, and lacked the backbone to send the "Palistinians" back to Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and other countries from whence they came in order to falsely claim ownership to land to which they had no rights. In the 57 years since, the U.S. still hasn't developed a backbone, so they have continued to be tossed to and fro by whoever has the loudest voice. The U.N. is irrelevent.

Could your country put military bases in the places you named? Sure, if those places give the same permission that Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, et. al., have given.

Aggressiveness towards Arabic (sic) nations for our own financial gane (sic)? If we were interested in financial gain, we would own Saudi Arabia for the oil and own Egypt in order to save the $2 billion plus that we shower on them every year. As far as Iraq's oil is concerned, we have already stated that it belongs to the people of Iraq, and will be used to fund the transformation of their country into the envy of the Arab world.

Disregard for human rights in Guantanamo Bay? Threats of murder and rape? You obviously have Guantanamo Bay confused with Qusay's Special Security Service prisons. Of course, with countries such as Libya chairing the U.N. Commission on Human Rights, it's obvious that the U.N. doesn't take human rights seriously, so why should you?

Regarding the existance of weapons of mass destruction, how can you be so sure that they don't exist? Before the war, France, Germany, Russia and Hans Blix were all saying that the U.N. weapons inspectors would need months and months of full time work to determine that. We've been fighting a war for three weeks and people like you are passing judgement based on what we haven't found so far. I'm sure the Iraqi military spent all of that money on chemical weapons suits simply to more effectively utilize closet space.

You're happy that the Iraqis are "free(er)" ....that term alone makes you a Hussein apologist. Nothing about their former existance bore any resemblance to freedom. You're unhappy about the "huge" human cost, 1,786 according to Iraq Body Count, if you want to believe them. That number of inadvertant casualties pales compared to the several hundred thousand intentional victims of Saddam's reign.

If liberating Iraq is only a bi-product, it's a pretty valuable one....especially if you're an Iraqi. I think our record of liberation speaks for itself: France, Germany, Panama, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, to name some examples. In how many of those did our interests exceed the benefits to the peoples of those countries? None.

An improvement in our economy will result in increased business opportunities and decreased tension, but I doubt that oil prices will plummet. If they did, all Opec would have to do would be cut back on production and prices would rise again. It is also well to remember that the health of our economy influences the health of the entire world's economy. We're not the only ones to gain from prosperity.

Regarding Venezuala, it seems like President Chavez has lost the favor of a good part of his constituency. The "oil barron" who they attempted to replace Chavez with is a businessman with a good head on his shoulders, who could have guided the country toward stability. You give the CIA too much credit. Why mess around with Venezuala when Saddam, Kim Jong-Il, Arafat and Assad, among others, would have been more worthwhile objects of interest.

Well, I guess I have fed the troll enough for this evening, and I didn't even have to resort to obscenities to do it!

HAY SUESS, Ann

You start off your quote by stating that the troops in the field are angry at Rummy for his "mis-planning" of the war.

Mmmkay.

Mmmmkay.

I have to agree with you. Rummy did a shitty job. Hundreds of thousands of civilians killed. Tens of thousands of our troops killed.

Right on the money.

For anyone who is a share-owner in the Disney Corporation, it might be worthwhile to drop them a note of protest as well, given that they are the parent company of ABC.

reaganite re #191, I just like taunting trolls :-)

LGF'er: Allo, dappy Leftist k-n*****ts and Monsieur Jonathan, who has the brain of a duck, you know. So, we LGF fellows outwit you a second time!
JONATHAN: How dare you profane the web with your presence! I command you, in the name of the Lefties of A.N.S.W.E.R., to shut down the server of this evil website, to which Democratic Underground has guided us!
LGF'er: How you trolls say, 'I one more time, mac, unclog my keyboard in your direction', sons of a window-dresser! So, you think you could out-clever us LGF folk with your silly knees-bent ranting logic simulating behavior?! I wave my private parts at your aunties, you cheesy lot of second hand electric donkey-bottom biters.
ANN: In the name of the Moore, we demand you shut down this blog!
LGF'er: No chance, you vomit-protesting bed-wetting types. I burst my pimples at you and call your server-shutting request a silly thing, you tiny-brained wipers of other people's bottoms!

Please don’t lose sight of the real issues here. There is a huge gulf in American society that exists today that cannot be bridged by rhetoric, but by consistent and honorable action.

The American left is not to be reasoned with, not at this time. The legacy that they live is one of the litany of horrors of man, at least those that can be attributed to the actions of real Americans in real times of peace and war.

They see the horrors of slavery, of Vietnam, of the genocide of native Americans in the expansionist era of the United States.

They believe that the lessons of the Tuskeegee experiment, of above-ground nuclear testing of the 50’s and of the National Guard at Kent State are all manifest evidence of the inherent evil of an unchecked American government supported by uninformed citizens who actually wanted these things to happen.

The beatings of peacenik hippies in the 60’s and 70’s; the Hollywood blacklist of the McCarthy era; the violent suppression of the riots at the 1968 Democratic National Convention – all of these are part of the endless litany of American injustice - of wrongness - that must be opposed and corrected, in order to secure a more humane and loving and godly existence for all mankind in the future.

There is a presupposition that being those who are of peace, those whose wisdom endows them with a special knowledge of the preciousness of life – anywhere and everywhere – that the current American left is the movement of true justice and spiritual awareness which is otherwise lacking in our society.

There is no room anywhere for the option that conservative Americans might care as they do for the sanctity of life or of the true path to guardianship of good against evil in the days after today until the final destiny becomes clear at a future time.

To the American left there is no room for the endless thousands of victories of mankind, American mankind, over tyranny and disease and the unknown frontiers of all that must be known. Only the blacklist of the horrors counts, like some kind of strange neverending Hatfields and McCoys feud of righteousness.

To the American liberal left, anyone who supports our government in times of real strife and war must be unthinking and blind to the true reality, the reality that all of war and struggle exists only for the debasement of man, and that willful partnership with any goal including aggression toward hostile regimes is indisputable evidence of the moral corruption of those so inclined.

Recently my boss and I got into a casual discussion of the current conflict and the response I received was one of disbelief and horror over my lack of understanding of the underlying issues of this war. It wasn’t about freedom and the return of conditions of humanity to the suppressed masses: it was about the agenda of American global domination, the control of oil, the propagandizing of the American cause. It was ABOUT THE OIL, and the lies that would be perpetrated by our administration in order to justify the destruction of the U.N., and NATO, the Iraqi people, and of human decency itself.

My boss looked at me with eyes filled with amazement and fear; fear that surely our current direction was indeed headed toward a new American Kristallnacht and the internment and destruction of those whose dissent was identified as against the greedy and unjust aims of our actions.

You just can’t overcome those attitudes with pronouncements of the rightness of the American cause, of the decency of America in freeing a long-oppressed people. My boss doesn’t buy into it, nor does the society within which those attitudes were forged. A society in which might means the right to aggressively suppress those who chose to disagree on the basis of conscience and belief that humanity can be kind, and gentle, and wonderful, and right.

This isn’t so much about right and left as it is about the perception of good and evil; where both sides declare the other as evil, and both sides are convinced of the good and righteousness of their beliefs.

It is only the ultimate conclusion of events that will be the final arbiter of those who are right to those who chose peace over any sort of forced societal progress, and recrimination of those who seek to actively gain the peace as murderers and charlatans. We just can’t win that war anytime soon.

Only with the waning of terror and a long-term sense of true peace and tranquility will those benefits be accrued. Some poor psychotic souls may believe that the extermination of any faction of our democratic society means the betterment of us all, but any person who truly understands what America really stands for will truly understand the tragedy of any life that might be lost without reason.

It is with the nuance of those differences that America will continue to struggle and boil; that we will continue to oppose one another in our fervent struggle for peace for all mankind. If that struggle someday ends, it will either mean that the tyranny of oppression of the calm of peace has prevailed.

God, please let it ultimately be peace.

I've sent my E-mail. I told ABC I will make sure that neither myself or any of my friends and family will watch a show starring a woman who is both a liar and untalented to boot.

#195 Big ole white male oppressor LOL to that :-)

#196 If you need a new job, email me. I will use my dirty capitalist connections to help you. :=)

#196

Very well said my friend.

#168 really grumpy

There is a huge gulf in American society that exists today

I disagree, it's not "huge" it's the vocal minority screeching. By all polls, this war is supported by the vast majority of Americans. I'm sorry if I have no sympathy for the liberals. They are wrong, but yell louder to try and make their point. Volume is not a substitute for facts.

Garofolo is really a KGB Russian spy

#196: You just don't find this quality of writing on Democratic Underground.

should have read; #196 really grumpy. Where I got that number I have no idea.

Free speech. I'll defend JG's right to speak what she will regarding her opinions. Yes, I'll defend the Dixie Chicks, Ed asner, Martin Sheen, et al., as well.

I wonder if they will understand that many of us will also exercise that same right when we contact networks, recording labels, radio stations, and most importantly - sponsors to tell them that we will be exercising other rights as well - the right NOT TO WATCH, the right NOT TO LISTEN, and the right NOT TO BUY.

I've written my letters. Have you?

#196 Grumpy,

They see the horrors of slavery, of Vietnam, of the genocide of native Americans in the expansionist era of the United States.

They believe that the lessons of the Tuskeegee experiment, of above-ground nuclear testing of the 50’s and of the National Guard at Kent State are all manifest evidence of the inherent evil of an unchecked American government supported by uninformed citizens who actually wanted these things to happen.

While ignoring the Waco Massacre, Ruby Ridge, etc.etc. Roast child is sweet if it is done in the name of gun control (my dad knows one of the Branch Davidian's civil attournies. Please..., Janet Himmler was a real Nazi. That's the only way she could have lived with what she did. (Sorry, but I've seen the pictures)

Our country has been far from perfect. OTOH, we're the best of a bad lot.

KKKlinton notwithstanding, there's no nation close to us in freedom and prosperity.

#196-

Your "boss" wouldn't happen to be the guy that owns the San Francisco bathhouse you frequent?

There's a widening gulf in this country, wa wa wah. Let me fill you in on something - liberals are a bunch of whiny bitches when they lose. Please don't call yourself conservative and get all whiny too.

There is nothing to be ashamed of. We won the war (or the first part of it, anyway). The American people support us, not them.

The left will get increasingly shrill. You can see it yourself on this site, for crying out loud.

I have no sympathy for these hippie losers. America was built by winners, not whiny bitches. Our forefathers would have none of their bullshit. There is nothing stopping them from going to another country of their choice. There are plenty of people waiting in line (and dying on ships and long hikes through the New Mexico desert) to get here. If this country sucks so bad, I encourage them to leave.

They should get the hell out, and not let the door hit them on the ass.

It's like arguing with teenage boys in a lockeroom trying to impress eachother. I don't wish the blog to be shut down. You can call me a **** as much as you like if it makes you feel like a man.

#183

What's to refute? That after 25 years of repression, state sponsored torture and abuse some Iraqis went nuts at being able to do as they pleased, perhaps for the first time in their lives? I'd be worried if it continues unabated but it won't.

You obviously didn't read the article.

Despite global concerns, expressed in advance of the bombings, by international academics, historians and ordinary citizens in the form of petitions, American servicemembers were so busy helping Iraqis chop down and destroy statues of Saddam Hussein, they ignored the looting of people’s private possessions and Iraq’s greatest riches, as treasures from the Iraq National Museum housing ancient priceless Sumerian, Babylonian and Assyrian collections and rare collections of Islamic texts were carted off in wheelbarrows. As marines peed in golden toilets in Saddam’s palaces, posing for cameras lounging on expensive furniture, and while Secretary Rumsfeld scornfully derided as “exaggerated” the already-too-late media reporting of the looting (missed almost entirely by the networks giddily repeating footage of the toppling statues), the renowned museum was emptied leaving nothing but shattered glass and broken pottery bowls littering its floors. The cradle of ancient civilization destroyed and plundered by modern barbarians under the banner of liberation.

You may think its nothing. The rest of the world does not.

Keith,

Which piece are you willing to part with?

#206 benno
You wouldn't be under the illusion that your extreme right view is any more appropriate then the extreme left view here?

hippie losers

Now that's helpful isn't it? Think, before you post.

Guys and Dolls,

It ain't the content, it's the source :-)

From Pakistan.

Woo.

Hoo.

IF ANY LEFTISTS HAPPEN TO SHOW UP 2-NITE,PLEASE REFER THEM TO THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT REGARDING HOLLWOOD.................OK,LEFTIES...TRY TO GRASP THIS CONCEPT ABOUT WHY THERE IS SUCH AN ANGRY BACKLASH AGAINST HOLLYWOOD. THESE PEOPLE GET MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR STANDING IN FRONT OF CAMERAS AND "PRETENDING." NOT AN IMPORTANT JOB..(MOST WOULD THINK) THEY ARE GIVEN A "LARGER THAN LIFE" TYPE OF IMAGE WHICH IS UNDESERVED (MOST WOULD THINK) WHEN YOU COMBINE IRRELEVANT MILLIONAIRES WHO DON'T DESERVE A PLATFORM ANY MORE THAN THE GUY WORKIN' THE WINDOW AT TACO BELL, AND THEN THEY ARE ARROGANT ENOUGH TO USE THIS "UNDESERVED PLATFORM" TO RAM POLITICAL VIEWS DOWN PEOPLES THROATS WHO ACTUALLY WORK FOR A LIVING, IT IS FU***** INFURIATING. TRUE, THEY DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY WHAT THEY WANT, BUT JUST HAVING THE RIGHT DOESN'T FREE ONE FROM CONSEQUENCES OR ANY KIND OF BACKLASH. WHEN YOU CROSS THE LINE TO POLITICAL ACTIVIST PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT SUPPORT YOU WHEN THE VERY DOLLARS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SPENT ON THEM WILL BE USED TO SUPPORT IDEOLOGIES THAT THEY DISAGREE WITH.

#207 Ann

You obviously didn't read the article.

It was not an article, it was an opinion piece,

You may think its nothing.

Yup, sure do, why do you give it so much credit? Is your position so weak?

I really love it when folks try to blame the USA for the Creation/Existance of Israel. Get a grip! Save your bile long enough to learn WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED:

1916: The Ottoman Empire is allied with Austria-Hungary during World War I. When the smoke clears and the dust settles, Britian, FRANCE, and RUSSIA take over and each rule their little corner of the Middle East.

1917: The British issue the Balfour Declaration, supporting the creation of a Jewish Home State WITHOUT infringing on the rights of the Arabs in the area.

1918: The LEAGUE OF NATIONS awards Britian the right to govern the area and begin the Balfour Declaration.

Through the 1920's and 30's the Brits tried to work a fair deal, and actually TOOK THE PALESTINIANS SIDE MORE THAN ONCE. They even went as far as only allowing a few Jews to enter the area each year. No matter -- the Arabs were already following their "All or Nothing" policy.

Obviously, from 1939 on, the British had their hands full fighting Nazi Germany -- but they still limited Jewish emegation to 15,000 people per calander year. Tried to, anyway. The Germans were proving to be quite a handful!

The brand spanking new United Nations passed UNITED NATIONS PARTITION RESOLUTION GA - 181 on November 29, 1947, calling for two seperate states. Once again, the Arabs screamed "NO!!!!!" at the top of their lungs.

And they've been screaming ever since! You think they'd have laryngitis by now!

So, before you get ready to blame the United States for every problem that has grown out of the Middle East Conflict, PERHAPS you should yap at the folks who get you in this mess.

Not us.

Not even the British. They bent over backwards to make a workable deal, and even came down on the Arabic side more than once.

Take it up with the UNITED NATIONS. Maybe your pocket puppet Kofi can get something done.

Or better yet, have a quiet word with the Palestinians. They've proven time and again to be the villians in this play.

Ann, re #207 -- you keep posting these things as if they are supposed to mean something to us. They're not evidence of anything, they are just editorials.

Can't we all just get along?

And Ann, I trust you did not read Victor Davis Hanson's latest item either. The difference is this - I know without reading what your article will say because it's the same thing as the past 512 leftist, robotic, moronic, anti-American, anti-capitalist trolls have said. Simply saying it over and over with minor variations due to having been proven wrong the last time will just not make it so.

You and your kind are either so embarrassed of the success the US has enjoyed that you have to find something wrong with it or are so envious of the US that nothing short of her total demise will satisfy you. It's not new. Most of us here have seen it too many times already, really.

If you choose to see the glass as half empty that is your perogative. But don't blame me when, for all your doomsday prophesies, we come out better than ever. Don't blame me for thoroughly enjoying my life where I live, as I desire to live it because that opportunity was provided to me by what I consider to be one of the finest countries to every grace the history books.

I'm not going to defend Garofalo's point of view, and you are all welcome to boycott her shows as that is your right, but personally I really cringe at the idea of boycotting a celebrity just because they have made some air-headed statement in the political arena.

I watch movies because I like to be entertained. Therefore, I choose which movies to watch based on that quality alone. The personal politics of the actors concerned don't interest me any more than the politics of the respective CEOs of Coke or Pepsi influence my choice at the refreshment stand. Garofalo is not funny, therefore I won't watch her show. That's all there is too it.

Sorry, but boycotting is lame. When I think boycotting, I think "Concerned Christian Mother's Society". I think annoying radical left-wing flatmate. It's just so neurotic and petty I just can't stand it.

Do you know who the worst kind of person to live with is? It's the roommate who has a fit at you when you come back from the supermarket because you have purchased some product that is made by a company that is a subsidiary of a corporation that has some vague connection to some politically incorrect activity committed in the distance past. And expects you to care.

No-one like that shit, so don't be that person. If you go to the movies with your friends and you say "sorry guys, no Jeannine Garofalo flicks" they are just going to get pissed at you.

Just do everyone a favour and make your choices as consumers based on the quality and price of the product and nothing else. OK, maybe you can take into account the practises of certain companies when you shop, but the political opinions of celebrities? Come on! Boycotts are for leftists, nannies and blue-rinsers.

#207 Ann

Why do you assume that the past destruction of historical reference assumes that we are sure to repeat the mistakes of history?

Do you have indignant thoughts about the destruction of the library of Alexandria?

The regime of Saddam Hussein destroyed a thousand times as many artifacts of man, or sold them to greedy bidders who will doubtless share them with the world at high cost, as all the precious collections of all the museums in Iraq.

You are sensitive to history, but you are most highly ignorant of it. You must be on the other side of the gulf.

You might want to research the destruction and neglect of critical Iraqi archeological sites under the rule of Hussein before you issue another hissy-fit intifada of condemnation of the coalition forces.

#111, and Ann, and the rest of you Leftists...

It's really simple. Let's agree to put aside all the rhetoric about oil, liberation, torture, human rights violations, bombing civilians, etc....

Just ask yourself one question for a moment:

Why do I hate them?

I mean, everyone keeps asking why they hate us, so my question (with moral equivalency) ought to have just as much merit:

Why do I hate them?

Let's get to the root cause of it, shall we? Until then, ta.

Wowbagger.

Trolls!, Trolls!

It's an invasion. Break the emergency glass!

We need more vodka, asprin, and logic grenades.

Break out the clue-by-fours!

Set phasors on ridicule!

Ann (again)

The cradle of ancient civilization destroyed and plundered by modern barbarians under the banner of liberation.

I see. And the former despot fostered a society which placed great value in such things right? "Don't help the Iraqi people, a bunch of old, dead stuff might get hurt!"
I read recently that every school that coalition forces have searched so far has had significant weapons caches on, in, under or right next to them. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to discover that there was another in, on or under the museum as well. THAT is what this was about.

Is it a loss? Of course! But certainly a sacrifice worth making. Ahhhh, but that's a word unknown in your circle though Ann - sacrifice. Really it's all about you isn't it?

#220 1310nm,
Quick. [toss]

Have a grenade. 4 second fuse.

[solemn]
use it wisely
[/solemn]

[Demonic cackling].

#217

Points are well taken.

However, it is a different world after 9/11.

People seem to be more cognizant of what is going on vis-a-vis celebrity asshats and their opinions.

Personally, I don't watch too much TV aside from news and some Discovery channel stuff (OK I do indulge myself in Simpson and Sienfeld re-runs), so I may not speak for everyone. But I don't see it as a RUN FOR THE HILLS tin foil hat wearing boycott of farm raised chicken.

# 196 ...the lessons of the Tuskeegee experiment...

Hey, wasn't that when they trained African Americans to fly fighter aircraft during World War II?

Didn't the Tuskeegee Airmen fly the pants off the Germans? Never lost a bomber under their protective umbrella?

On another note, I'm offended by all this "F***ing Nazi" talk. Sounds like the Nazis are getting a lot more than I am these days! *sigh*

#222 Iron Fist

[1310nm throws and ducks...]

Thanks for the ammo, but they just keep on coming...

If she has a show, my family will be a no show for ABC and Disney

Sorry, but boycotting is lame.

Peter Arnett knows this first hand.
 

OT, yet strangely OT:

A friend of mine sends a link to "We Love the Iraqi Information Minister". While clearly put together by people with too much time on their hands (for example, Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf's comments at battles through history), it does collect many of the money quotes in one place. For example:

"There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!"

"I blame Al-Jazeera - they are marketing for the Americans!"

"We are not afraid of the Americans. Allah has condemned them. They are stupid. They are stupid" (dramatic pause) "and they are condemned."

"We have destroyed 2 tanks, fighter planes, 2 helicopters and their shovels - We have driven them back."

(Warning! The site linked to in this message is for amusement purposes only!)

What happened to Jonathan? Judging by his spelling, and the fact he's several hours ahead of the east coast, I would venture to guess he's British or Irish. He probably snuck into his shrink's office at Her Royal Majesty's Sanitarium for the Hopelessly Delusional and furiously typed out his kooky missives until the orderlies found him and gave him some well needed electro-shock therapy.

That's a fact, SteveC.

In spite of the unbelievable, the Tuskeegee Airmen were in fact among the most heroic warriors of WWII.

Now how in hell did THAT happen?

I suppose in true hippie fashion, this is a propaganda fabrication of the fascist U.S. government.

Although I'm not quite sure what qualifications these people have to call people fascists.

My would-have-been Daddy died over France as a fighter pilot in the first half of WWII.

Who knows what kind of guy I might have been!

I think about that all the time, believe me.

#224

Just a catcher-upper. Yes, Tuskeegee wasindeed the location of the training base for the first black US Army Air Corps pilots.

The Tuskeegee experiment that is being referred to is the deliberate infection of black "human guinea pigs" with what are today called STD's (among other things) to test their physical reactions to the diseases and possible cures.

It was a dark thing that was done "in the name of science". Thankfully, we have gotten past that sort of thing.

Before anyone shouts "TROLL", I'm just filling in a gap for SteveC.

Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Clause. He lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. This year, he's delivering a present for 26,000,000 folks early. One big present for the lot. FREEDOM!

We *DO* need something that denotes a sneer....

SNEER: Noun: A facial expression or laugh conveying scorn or derision: Verb: To smile or laugh scornfully or derisively

I propose

:^J

: with ^ and then a capital J -- forming a curled lip of enlightened amusement!

Opinions?

reaganite (#122): Great story. We're getting a reputation out there it seems.

Does the new troll infestation here smell to anyone else like Irish imaginary friends?

I'm curious how many lefties could actually give the meaning of the word fascism if asked. They sure love to throw it around, though. They'd probably end up saying something like "... it's, it's, what Bush is. Yeah. That's it!"

#232 Steve,

Amusing, as my true middle name is Steven.

:^J

[voice of Monty Burns]eeeeexceeelent[/voice of Monty Burns]

Let us propagate this meme to the ends of the Internet :-)

Jonathan:

(1) Learn to spell.

(2) Learn some history.

(3) Learn about how Islamofascism has brainwashed Mideast populations:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: www.pbs.org...]

[Link: www.operationsick.com...]

[Link: gulfnews.com...]
(This last article is post shock and awe; the change in tone and willingness to engage in introspection is promising.)
 

#232 SteveC,
possibly... :^/

Why is everybody getting worked up enough to hate-mail Janine Giraffejello and ABC? Just ignore her, or don't take her seriously. You don't gotta get all boycotty...

Peter Arnett knows this first hand.

I would say that boycotting a news organisation because of rampant left-wing bias is different to boycotting a celebrity for same, because this bias is relevant to assessing the quality of the news "product" delivered by Arnett, whereas it is not relevant to assessing the quality of Garofalo's TV shows or movies. Boycotting Arnett is not so much a boycott as simply choosing a higher quality news source.

Also, it's real hard to be consistent when you start boycotting. For example, did any of you who are going to boycott Garofalo go to see "The Pianist" directed by Roman Polanski? (I did and thought it was great).

So you go to a movie made by a convicted sex offender, but when a celebrity criticises the Government, it's time to draw the line, huh?

(Well I guess at least Polanksi said sorry :-)

#224

Hey, wasn't that when they trained African Americans to fly fighter aircraft during World War II?

Didn't the Tuskeegee Airmen fly the pants off the Germans? Never lost a bomber under their protective umbrella?

I think that he was referring to the medical experiments they did in the 40's and 50's, where they didn't administer anti-biotics to people with syphilis.

The Tuskeegee Airmen were a great success, however - one of them, John Dove, invented the CD.

NTropy (#82)

Hiring J9 Grranimal will only help that process.

LOL. She does look like her mom dresses her from the Grungy Grranimal collection.

I think almost all the regulars on this board know this, but in case anyone is confused:

The Tuskeegee Airmen where African-American fighter pilots, who flew red tailed p-51 mustangs and were among the best fliers of the War. They overcame great racism.

THe Tuskeegee Experiment was an experiment involving African American men who had Syphilis, but were not told they did. They were given treatments that did not work. Even after a cure for the disease was discovered the men were not properly treated. The experiment seems to have had no real scientific value. The symptoms of Syphilis had beeen known for hundreds of years, and expecting black men to have differnces in either the disease or cure had more to do with racism than science. Not treating the men, or telling them what they had so they could avoid infecting others was evil.

By the way HBO made fine movies about both the airmen and the victims of the experiment.

[Link: www.dc.peachnet.edu...]

[Link: www.military.com...]

For example, did any of you who are going to boycott Garofalo go to see "The Pianist" directed by Roman Polanski?

No.  I boycott pedophile film directors.
 

Wow, Jonathan was an exciting spout monkey. But... I hope he was not booted. It's healthy to have opposing views sometimes. Just simply refute him with the facts. It makes him look even dumber when he's busted out. Punting guys like Jonathan would just further add to this blog's "preaching to the choir-ness" that it is often dubbed with.

I won't boycott either Grrranimal or Polanski. That would be a conscious choice. I simply won't remember to think of either one.

I know how that sounds but really is the most accurate. I rarely watch network television (except for football) so it's not a loss and I rarely go to the movies. Lord of the Rings was about it.

Some Garofalo quotes:

"Our country is founded on a sham: our forefathers were slave-owning rich white guys who wanted it their way. So when I see the American flag, I go, 'Oh my God, you're insulting me.' That you can have a gay parade on Christopher Street in New York, with naked men and women on a float cheering, 'We're here, we're queer!' -- that's what makes my heart swell. Not the flag, but a gay naked man or woman burning the flag. I get choked up with pride."

[Link: www.hollywoodinvestigator.com...]

"Sure [our enemies should be more powerful], when Communist U.S.S.R. was a superpower, the world was better off. The right-wing media is trying to marginalize the peace movement."

[Link: worldnetdaily.com...]

re: Trolls

My feelings - as usual - we will slaughter them all

I don't think this term "trolls" (I've been called it, and will probably predictably be called it again) is really all that great or clever. I think of trolls as little peaceful warty dudes in the forest or under bridges, not as screaming whiny bratty babies raised in gated communities.

As usual,the subect matter digresses thru conversation. Let's get back to the leftist dimwit and sponsers. Nowdays, there are no Harris polls. TV audience is determined by cable volumne. If you want to make ABC pay a price do two things (1) tell Eisner what you think and (2) block the channel. ABC has lost 10% of it's audience in the last 30 days. Join the crowd.

For the record, I do know that the Tuskeegee Experiment was a completely different program than the one that created the Tuskeegee Airmen!

In Message #196, Reallygrumpy noted various arguments that those of the Left may raise when faced with cold, hard facts. I was attempting to deride those arguments with a little humor. I was (trying to) laugh WITH Reallygrumpy, not AT him!

Humor and sarcasm occasionally don't translate to the written word very well. This was one of those times!

I'd like to think I'm not so stupid as to intentionally confuse the bravery of the Airmen with the heartlessness of the Experiment.

Sorry for any offense,

SteveC

Only thing that I watch on ABC is Monday Night Football, and I can listen to that on the radio. I dont need them. I dont watch Disney. And I guess that I could give up ESPN, but that would be tough.

Maybe we should retain some of the old laws, where mega-media ownership was not allowed. Equally, I dont appreciate Murdoch, or Time-Warner owning such large chunks of media.

Thank God for the net. Oh, I forgot, Al Gore invented that! You remember Al Gore, dont ya???

#250 (SteveC)

For the record, I do know that the Tuskeegee Experiment was a completely different program than the one that created the Tuskeegee Airmen!

Well, I wasn't sure - there are lots of people who don't know about the syphilis experiment (I only found out a couple of years ago myself). I hope you don't feel we came down too hard on you! :)

#251 (Midnight Creeper)

[opinion]I think that media consolidation will play itself out, and ownership will start to diversify, simply because of market conditions. The music industry is already seeing it; they've consolidated heavily, and now are failing to deliver the products that customers want, and customers are voting with their feet. While I have no doubt that some of the decrease in sales of music involve piracy, it's tough to escape the truth that there have been fewer and fewer new album releases, and that concert ticket revenues are down. After all, wouldn't I go see the concert whether I pirated the CD or not?

The music industry can respond by becoming more agile (delivering more of the products that people want, in terms of the music itself and the delivery medium) or it will replace itself - smaller, more agile labels will rise up and take business - and artists - away from the "big boys".

In terms of TV consolidation, I think we're going to see more darkness before the dawn. We haven't started to see the massive mergers - yet. We're probably close, though...[/opinion]

#252 --

I hope you don't feel we came down too hard on you! :)

No problems here. I'm gonna be quiet now.... not 'cause I'm angry, but it is 1:24 AM here!

Tommorrow will be here soon, and there will be plenty of work to be done, paychecks to be earned.... trolls to be slain....

Janeane Garofalo SUCKS ASS!!!

Two faced bitch needs a HARD SLAP across the face.

Oh, c'mmon. When she promised to crawl to the White House on her knees she didn't realize Clinton was no longer in office.

#201

Garofolo is really a KGB Russian spy

No way. KGB may be crude but they don't employ idiots.

To Jonathan and others who have basic difficulties with the concept of Free Speech:

Free Speech guarantees that the government won't jail you for your hate speech. It does not guarantee that anyone will subsidize your stupidity.

Anne, et al, re: Annoy.com

Just for the record, annoy.com is run by a white South African "liberal" who left SA for San Francisco when it looked like the black South Africans were going to take over.

You might want to think about that when you cite comments from that site.

Also, this is a beaut of a comment:

"America’s complaints of Geneva Convention violations to the United Nations, whom it defied in the first place by waging the war, seem even more vacuous than they did prior to the recovery. "

So does this fool know what the Geneva Convention says about putting weapons and munitions inside schools and religious facilities? Forbidden.

What about using human shields in firefights? Forbidden.

Feigning surrenders? Forbidden.

I could go on, because there is much much more, but , the Pro-Saddam side, which includes you, has no standing when it comes to violating the Geneva Convention.

While I agree with clarence (#255), European-American makes me laugh.

Oh, c'mmon. When she promised to crawl to the White House on her knees she didn't realize Clinton was no longer in office.

LOL!

120

"I dare somebody to justify the CIA trying to overthrow a legitimate Venezuaelan Presidant and replaycing him with an oil barron! Come on! "

I don't think the CIA can get a whole country shutdown sor two months. Those people risked starvation in protest. What I saw was a clear majority of the people stop working because they were pissed off at their "legitimite" president firing competent people and replacing them with his cronies. It is obvious that Venezuela's constitution is flawed since it has no mechanism for impeachment.

Dare met. Any clever comeback?

#216 Ntropy

The difference is this - I know without reading what your article will say because it's the same thing as the past 512 leftist, robotic, moronic, anti-American, anti-capitalist trolls have said. Simply saying it over and over with minor variations due to having been proven wrong the last time will just not make it so.

It's not. That was my whole point. Its the first EDITORIAL that I've read that is not typically left wing and liberal. Thats why I bothered to quote it. Do you only read things that support your way of thinking or have you considered the possibility that you could learn something from a different POV?

#218 really grumpy

Why do you assume that the past destruction of historical reference assumes that we are sure to repeat the mistakes of history?

Look at 1936. Not everyone on the left (everyone who doesn't think exactly like NTropy) throws the term Nazi around without understanding history. The civil liberties that were taken then closely resemble the ones being taken now using national security as an excuse. As a speicies we keep making the same mistakes.

The regime of Saddam Hussein destroyed a thousand times as many artifacts of man, or sold them to greedy bidders who will doubtless share them with the world at high cost, as all the precious collections of all the museums in Iraq.

So that makes it right for us to act on the same level? We don't repond to terrorism by flying commercial planes into buildings because they did, do we?

#219

Why do I hate them?

You may have answered your own question.

#221 NTropy (obviously)

Is it a loss? Of course! But certainly a sacrifice worth making. Ahhhh, but that's a word unknown in your circle though Ann - sacrifice. Really it's all about you isn't it?

Stop selectively quoting. The point was "Despite global concerns, expressed in advance of the bombings, by international academics, historians and ordinary citizens in the form of petitions, American servicemembers were so busy helping Iraqis chop down and destroy statues of Saddam Hussein, they ignored the looting of people’s private possessions and Iraq’s greatest riches, as treasures from the Iraq National Museum housing ancient priceless Sumerian, Babylonian and Assyrian collections and rare collections of Islamic texts were carted off in wheelbarrows."

#251 midnight creeper

Maybe we should retain some of the old laws, where mega-media ownership was not allowed. Equally, I dont appreciate Murdoch, or Time-Warner owning such large chunks of media.

There's more that we agree on than not. (and despite angry tantrums from Featherfist, the Annoy editorial says:

Iraqi suffering does not make for as good television as “embedded” reporters cozying up next to marines and it would be easy to confuse it with Hollywood propaganda. Particularly the kind vomited by Fox News owned by Rupert Murdoch -- soon to control both production and distribution pipelines with his timely and predictable $6.6 billion purchase of Hughes Electronics which includes America’s largest cable satellite provider DirecTV from General Electric.

Unlike "I only read my own point of view" NTropy, I also looked at some more stuff on their site and its actually too inconsistent to know where they stand, but they do look as if they agree with you on the music industry also.
Clearly Valenti did not watch “Dude, Where’s My Car?” if he thinks quipping terms like “big-ass” will deliver the youth vote he’s seeking and home run the message. You don’t get someone who looks old school to pitch an old school package. Even RIAA sponsored pitches by Britney Spears have fallen on virtual deaf ears. Someone should force Jack Valenti to watch an illegally downloaded copy of “Death of a Salesman”.

Truthbetold (#259)

Just for the record, annoy.com is run by a white South African "liberal" who left SA for San Francisco when it looked like the black South Africans were going to take over.

You might want to think about that when you cite comments from that site.

Care to qualify that?

Anne Says:

The civil liberties that were taken then closely resemble the ones being taken now using national security as an excuse.

Anne,

I’m pretty concerned about my civil liberties being taken away. Can you please point to one instance of this being the official policy of the Bush “junta.” I’d really like to protest this, but I don’t want to sound unconvincing when say for instance I’m on a state sponsored television station like C-SPAN who is broadcasting my message of opposition to the world at large by just saying “Well they are.”

#262 Ann

How is it different from what the New York Times, al Guardian and any number of other lefty websites and blogs have been saying since day one?

Some very short Google searches revealed:
"Not enough troops" - an echo from Robert Wright, Slate and Charles Gibson, Good Morning America host on of all networks, ABC among others

Further in to your new hero's editorial we find

the “coalition” exercised a stunning Miss Manners moment.

a nifty use of scare quotes. Kindly check out a nice fisking on the use of scare quotes.

More typical lefty rants with

limbless Iraqi children burned in Basra, literally dying for water

Yes, it's tragic when a child is condemned to life like that. Your side wants to make the point that, rather than being an unfortunate side affect of a necessary evil, coalition forces went out of their way to maim and cripple the entire Iraqi population under age five.

It's all been discussed, chewed on, mulled over and thought out. You and your marvelous new web site offer nothing - let me repeat, NOTHING - that I (and the rest of us) haven't seen or heard coming from an endless mad parade of mindless, robotic, infantile, boring trolls countless times over now.

Just because it's new to you simply exposes your ignorance. Ignorance is nothing to be ashamed of as long as you're willing to learn. Unfortunately, you and most of your ilk are not. As as result I, and most of us here, dismiss you out of hand. Take the short bus back to sit and the kiddies table and let the adults discuss the more important matters.

BTW Charles (and absolutely OT)

Nice job on ROGER L. SIMON's Weblog! I read about it over at Instapundit. Sort of a nice way to (hopefully) push a little business this way hmm?

Ann (again)

The point was "Despite global concerns, expressed in advance of the bombings, by international academics, historians and ordinary citizens in the form of petitions, American servicemembers were so busy helping Iraqis chop down and destroy statues of Saddam Hussein, they ignored the looting of people’s private possessions and Iraq’s greatest riches, as treasures from the Iraq National Museum housing ancient priceless Sumerian, Babylonian and Assyrian collections and rare collections of Islamic texts were carted off in wheelbarrows."

I couldn't care less if the concerns were expressed ahead of time or not. And since the objective of the war is to end the regime of Saddam Hussein, tearing down every last vestige of his power and prestige ranks much higher on the scale of setting things right than protecting old, dead things. I agree that it was horrible that so much history is not lost. When put in the balance of all that is going on in Iraq, it barely registers a blip on the radar screen.

As for only reading my side, I disagree with you there as well. My problem is that it's all the same, The same tinfoil hat brigade spreading the same conspiracy stories about Cheny and Haliburton or the Bush family and their oil connections. 9/11 was a Mossad/Zionist conspiracy too wasn't it since each and ever J-E-W stayed home that day?
Point out one single item in your link that hasn't been shrieked from every Indymedia or Democratic Underground site for months. You can't because there isn't one. Sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting louder about how right you are doesn't change things either.

Ann (again)

Oddly enough, I do have my own concerns about what I perceive to be shrinking civil liberties in Patriot Acts I & II. I would be willing to live with a the chance that I may face greater risk than to give up any freedom to government I see more often than not as self-serving.

Surprise, I don't quite fit into the pigeon hole you made for me. With any luck you'll surprise me the same way but I won't be holding my breath.

Ann,

I'm sorry, but you're full of shit.

Allow me to illuminate:

Since September 11, I have been continuously bombarded with the inane questions from the Left:

"Why do they hate us?"

"Why can't we find out about the root causes of terrorism and fix them?"

"What did we do to deserve this?"

Quite frankly, this is absolute fucking crap.

Let me be specific, in fact: this is traitorous fucking crap. This kind of shit would never have been tolerated in World War II, and this is the direct comparison that I am making.

In World War II, this country did not have any recognizable percentage of the population going around in self-flagellation, moaning incantations of how the Nazis hated us because of the Treaty of Versailles, or because of their poverty which we had, as powers, "imposed" upon them. Nobody went around saying "The Jews really ought not to have been too greedy with their banking systems, maybe the Nazis have a point and we should look into this.", nor did people cry about German children being bombed out of house and home in what was clearly a war of the worlds.

But here...today, we have people like you. Comfy little lefties whom are in the business of saying that they don't choose sides, are "definitely patriotic", and yet take the position that America has done, and has been doing, something to deserve all of this hatred.

First of all, allow me to debunk your clearly muddled fucking stance about impartiality: it's bullshit. You're taking on the enemy's side. It's all fine and dandy to try to understand others in the world, but there are a few caveats:

1) They surely don't give a fucking shit about your opinion.

2) They are the enemy - and quite clearly label themselves as the enemy in declarations. I point you to [Link: www.memri.org...] if you don't understand what they are literally saying about us.

3) If you are trying to understand them better to fight them, great. However, trying to understand them better to impose their grievance on us during a time of all out conflict and war, however noble your purpose, is fucking treasonous. It is giving aid and comfort to the enemy, and you are becoming their agent. This is war. There is no moment for diplomacy in war. That is the definition of war: when diplomacy fails and armed conflict ensues. Such armed conflict shall continue until the resolution of the conflict by one side or the other. Your place is not to determine such a time. Your place is to support your country, or even just the side that you choose. Unfortunately for you, and the other lefties out there, their self-flagellation has clearly put them in the enemy's camp. You're pimping their point of view? You're the fucking enemy.

Now, don't get all high and fucking mighty about freedom of speech with me, because George Washington himself signed away on treason trials in the height of conflict wherein some people were talking shit about our forces and bitching about how the war was turning out so badly. Okay, so George Washington was a white slave-owning son of a bitch, but he was still one of the more enlightened figures of the age anywhere in the world, and I'd really like to hear the Left just shut the fuck up about what happened 200 years ago when it concerns black slaves and conveniently ignores other points of history which don't suit their "mother earth" utopian agenda.

So, that being said, your point of view is that of the enemy, plain and simple. You are implying that there is something that we have done to deserve this. That is literally their point of view. Fine. That's your stance? Again: You're the enemy.

Second of all: What about my point of view? In your world of moral relativism, what could be more appropriate to give my fucking point of view just as much weight as theirs? How about that? how about you go around asking this question as well: "Why do most Americans want to bomb the shit out of these third world pissant fucking Arab dictatorships after years of killing our people too?" How about it? How about asking that? You think you can even mouth the words? Or maybe that would give you an apoplectic fit to accept the fact that we want to bomb them as much as they want to bomb us at this point? Does that...disturb you? Perhaps you should ask why.

Let's move on, shall we? Moral relativism is about as bloody useless as saying that a mass murderer has every right to express himself as Gandhi. Is that your point of view? Do you go around giving equal weight to everyone's point of view? Let's see...how about Charles Manson? You think that he should have an article written about him in a "fair and balanced" way? Why not? A guy who carves swastikas on his forehead every time he is up for parole has got to have some serious issues, right? Why don't we just all sit down with him and get to the "root cause" of Manson's serious infatufuckingation with mass death and ritualistic killing?

Does that make your Lefty hackles rise up with bile? Eh? What about it? How about you go and protest that he has just as much a right as anyone else to "express" himself fairly?

I don't recall the Left giving Pik Botha "equal and fair consideration" in his views. Do you? Not that I minded of course, but it's just another example of how fucking blatantly stupid your god damned fucking arguments of moral relativism are, isn't it? If not, tell me...why allow the racism of Arabs and not of White settlers in South Africa? Is that "fair"? I don't hear you speaking up for their rights, after all. No, all I hear the Left saying is that the Arabs should be listened to - and agreed with.

Well, let me explain something to you, dearie Leftie bitch:

We've listened to the Arabs. We've listened to them for fucking nigh on 1200 fucking years. EXCUSE us for getting a touch fucking peeved when they smash our airplanes in our buildings, blow up truck bombs in our embassies, blow up our marines and navy personnel, try to get nuclear weapons to annihilate us and openly fucking declare that this is their fucking public goal in fucking life and go around ranting and screaming about how they hate Christians, Jews, and all other non-Muslims!

Pardon me, but are you really that fucking stupid? Unless you happen to be Muslim, that includes you as well, you stupid ignorant bitch. Oh..rhetoric? I'll give you rhetoric: FUCK YOU! How about that? Oh! But the ARABS have every RIGHT to say that to me, but I can't say that to YOU without you getting upset because, you see, I'm not oppressed, is that it?

The only reason I'm not oppressed is because my family left a fucking Arab country for freedom in 1956 - because they were tired of being called scum for 1200 fucking years. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? I'll tell you something else too: when the fucking lefties start whining about where MY anger comes from, where MY hatred comes from, where MY fury comes from, and where MY calls to violence come from, then I'll start taking them fucking seriously. UNTIL then, they're just the enemy, shall ALWAYS be treated as such, and I won't give a SHIT about THEIR point of view.

Now, let's see, you're going to say something about my racism, is that it? And you're going to point out that I must be a really upset person. You're also probably going to really piss me off stating that you have nothing that you could possibly say to me to make it better. Well let me tell you something: These are all open characteristics of Arab society, and if you don't believe me then you can simply read their declarations and press. Wake the fuck up and smell the coffee. And if you still give them as much credence as you have been giving them, and NONE to MY anger and frustration, then I - LIKE THEM - see absolutely no reason why I shouldn't just martyr myself by fucking blowing you up in a direct attempt to silence you as my enemy.

Maybe that would shut you and your kind up once and for fucking all.

With much hatred and love for your pain,

Wowbagger.

#268 Wowbagger

Wow. Nice rant :-)

#269 Caton

Wow. Nice rant :-)

Well that's one way to put it.

Wowbagger, well you see ummm, how do I say this ummm I mean well ummm errrr you see it's like ummmm I mean sorta.

(what in the world can a person say after that?)

Somebody needs a hug (and it sure ain't Ann)!!

Bette, i would tell the whole story, but its a long one. I'll just say the experience was unpleasant, and not entirely because it was a fast food job.

Yknow, i used to call the beans "bag o' scabs". The beans are dehydrated in bags, and they look like little scabs.. you put them in the bin thing, add a bunch of boiling water.. voila.. frijoles refritos.

One funny thing was they asked me to clean these copper pipes and gave me this ineffective metal cleaner that would have taken hours of scrubbing time... so i squirted a bunch of hot sauce on the pipes, let them sit and wiped them off. Management was horrified i used hot sauce for that.. and they made me pay for it ($7!). I guess they didn't really want the damn things cleaned. So much for "work smarter, not harder".

BTW, you in PV too?

Wowbagger, now I get the "wow" part of your nickname! fuc.. er, I meant, awesome :-))

As for people who think that laws against terrorism that have never been known to interfere with citizens' life unless they were doh, terrorists, and aaagh the same old tired and pathetic Bush=Nazi equivalence:

Look at 1936. Not everyone on the left (everyone who doesn't think exactly like NTropy) throws the term Nazi around without understanding history. The civil liberties that were taken then closely resemble the ones being taken now using national security as an excuse.

You most certainly do throw that term around with no knowledge of history at all! The fact you don't realise it is even sadder. Do you have any faintest idea what Nazism was? For real? where's the racial laws, where's the ghettos, where's the concentration camps, where's the nazi squadrons confiscating your gold and your meat, where's your final solution - in the USA?

You're thinking of Iraq pre-liberation. Civil liberties non-existing, torture chambers, underwater prisons, and gas used to crush simple dissent - helloooo? have the cops in the US been using nerve agents to massacre the idiots who go babbling on about Bush=nazism?

Oh, and Mein Kampf was the Ba'ath party roadmap, along with Stalin's works, the great arab jihad 'peace' process, and a bit of spiced Chomsky. Does the US government has that kind of ideological background? has it ever acted on anything remotely similar??

It's like Alice through the looking glass! you're seeing everything in reverse, it's surreal, it's so beyond distorted. You gotta find your way back to reality, because you're wasting all this paranoia on something that is just not there.

IF you want to put to good use your just and honourable concern for human rights and civil liberties, get involved with dissidents in places like Cuba, Iran, China, for instance, and wonder why people want to come to the US when they're a bit 'tired' of the local version of civil liberties there. There's no way the USA has ever and could ever approach anything dictatorial - unless it gets conquered by the new shariah barbarians, with people like you clapping along in the name of diversity. It won't happen anyway. You're just wasting your concern for freedom by projecting onto your own country all that is real and happening - in other places, where people know what repression is.

Sorry for repeating the obvious, but I grew up with real tales of what real nazism, real fascism was, from my grandparents who were lucky enough to survive it. And their tales of liberation, real, factual, total liberation, the Americans entering the city, the joy and celebration, the chocolate and the silk stockings, the sacrifice and the gratefulness, and the tons of money the US poured in to rebuild from scratch a country that was reduced to the state of Basra by an insane dictator puppet that looted all the resources for insane militaristic dictatorial purposes. You haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about when you talk nazism, and it so saddens me to hear this talk from Americans, I can take it from the forgetful, resentful, ideologised euroleft, but the American loony left so pisses me off, when from the comfort of living in the wealthiest freest nation on earth you accuse the best government you've ever had with the best ambitious revolutionary plans to democratise the entire world as 'nazis' it's like you're insulting the memory of what thousands, millions of people went through and if lucky to survive it were freed from only thanks to America. This is not rhetoric, this is the blood in my veins speaking. Please, really, do not waste your intelligence by enslaving it to lies.

Correction: I can't take it from the euroleft either, but I know how pathological than reaction is, resentment, shame, not facing one's nation's past, projecting all the horrors that europe created onto the US, and the widespread leftist ideologisation.

But what's the pathological mechanism for those americans reacting the same way? I don't understand! you live there, you should know you're nowhere near fascism. I really don't get it. Just being so spoilt by your freedom you even take ordinary crime laws for nazism? Missing something to rebel against just for the sake of it so you have to create an imaginary monster out of a democratic force of reform?

See, I'd like to understand the root causes of that massive paranoia projection. I sense it has more to do with Freud than Hitler. But hey, you tell me. What's so nazi about the anti-terrorism laws, in practice, no one ever explains that. Whatever. It's beyond ridiculous.