if not first, close...

She's a de facto member of Al-Asqa Martyrs now, I suppose. Or a posthumous one.

Why can't her name be crushed as easily as her body?

Strangle the Antichrist in its crib, Charles. :) If you don't, no one will.

Eww! They gave her a birthday party! They made paper cranes, and cake, and hung a Palestinian flag!
They had a QUAKER write her a song!

Some people have no taste...

This girl continues to be a useful idiot, even after her death. It would be beyond her wildest dreams to see how valuable she continues to be to the paleostinians.

Can they dig her up and kill her again please

I feel sorry for her.

After all she gave her life to protect a tunnel so that prostitution and drug running could flourish in Palestine.

Charles: I thought you vowed to include a picture of little Ms. Corrie every time there was a posting about her...I wanna see her ripping up the flag again

Charles:
another (the same despicable) picture of Corrie, please.

She (or something they think her flat corpse stands for) remains valuable for agitators who are planning events like this:

[Link: www.endthewar.org...]

First item on the agenda: “Iraq and Palestine under Occupation”

The link showed a beautiful baby Pali girl being named "Rachel Corrie" like that's a good thing. Those crazy Palis always naming their kids Osama, Saddam, Rachel Corrie.....

If you scroll all the way down to the bottom of that cyber mountain of garbage, you'll see the final lie of the page in the form of a counter.
--- 1 American civilian killed since 9/30/00 --- (updated 4/13/03)
I guess American Jews coming home in body bags from Hebrew University don't count.

The counter is linked to:
[Link: www.stop-us-military-aid-to-israel.net...]

#12 PDM

Maybe the owners of the counter didn't want to confuse people. After all, counting Jewish victims also as Americans would be like counting suicide bombers as Palestinian victims.

Oops.

Rachel is much more valuable dead than alive---did anyone ever hear of her before she got bulldozed? The Palestinian/Leftist agitprop machine is now going full throttle--her mug will soon be on posters and t-shirts (if it isn't already); underground comics will tell her story, progressive churches will hold memorial services, Hollywood will make a movie (directed by Oliver Stone or Micheal Moore), etc., etc. Move over Che Guevara!

Who is this angry, bilious with anti-americanism woman in the picture?

Ugh

I can see the new bumpersticker placed right beside the "Free Mumia" stickers on the broken down Microbuses and 1979 Jettas. It will read "Remember Rachel"

To steal a line from Hannity: "The left is on the wrong side of history again."

It amazes me that they embrace the losers of society as their icons.

Can someone who knows what Java is exlpain to me why all the pictures they use of Corrie have a date 2 days prior to her death. This pix and the bulldoze pix have this for the start of the java message.

2/13/2003 @ 1:5:47
Counter applet - Cameron Gregory - [Link: counter.bloke.com...]

OT

How can anyone who has followed the Laci Peterson case argue against the death penalty?

Of course the media is milking this tragedy to further their ratings, however, I defy any trolls here to defend the scumbag who killed her and her almost born child. Please tell me why this sack of shit deserves to live.

I am listening...

Women who are too ugly to get laid have to do something with their sexual energy.

#13 really grumpy,

I'm getting pretty grumpy too faced with lies like the numbers on that counter. I know exactly what you mean.

They are really feeding non-thinking, propaganda swallowing, fools who can't (or don't want to) see that the division of Israeli - "Palestinian" - American, are based on nationality/pseudo-nationality, and not religion. Jew or not, Americans are Americans. The numbers shown there are shamefully manipulated and fictitious.

And I bet the "Palestinian" number represents the bombers you refer to.

#14 Paul,

You are so right. She (and ISM) were really nobody until she bought a little fame with her life. It's a high price to pay to help murderers.

-------
Somebody hide the key to my steamroller.

#20 PDM

You comment brings up another thought, somewhat OT.

the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)

I wonder how many people have thought about the hyphenated juxtaposition of "America" - meaning the United States of America, and "Islamic".

It's not coincidence; it must have taken endless hours of thought to put that particular piece of shit together. You see, by the juxtapositon "American-Islamic" we are forced to view an equality position of our greatest nation on earth with the "nation" of Islam - at least as represented by the incredibly hateful Islamofascist wing of the pantheon of people who are Muslims.

It's not just a dualist juxtaposition, but an opposition, a statement that we are no more than equals with a pan-national movement of religious zealots whose ultimate agenda is becoming increasingly clear over time - either the destruction or subjugation or death of the infidels of the modern liberal democracies of the West, as personified by the United States.

We are at war, that part I am quite certain about.

Another American killed by the palestinians was a teenage daughter of a missionary, who was killed by a suicide bomber on a bus in Haifa along with many other children. I'm sure there are many more.

#21 really grumpy,

I see what you mean about CAIR. However, it's kind of hard to get an acronym out of "Council on American-Muslim Relations."
Wait... I know
Council Relating to American-Muslims --- CRAM

Certainly, we all are more concerned with their actions (and lack of) more than their name. Still, you do make an interesting point.

I went to our local Support the Troops rally a few weeks ago and the program included prayers by Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, and Muslim clergy. The Muslim referred to "the courageous" Rachel Corrie in his prayer. This anecdote supports your point that her death is a propaganda tool.

BTW, the Imam did get polite applause.

While at first I was as pissed as everyone with a functioning brain at all the Rachael Corrie's of the world, plus their crummy associates in the US, I have to say that I'm actually a little pleased at the Left's overall reaction to the war. And I don't mean just Gulf War II, but the entire war on terror since Day 1 in New York, Washington, and Pennsylvania. We now know that immediately following the attacks, the very next weekend, groups gathered in Europe to form the groups we are now familiar with, such as the Not In Our Name asses. For years its been frustrating as hell that the Left has been able to evade reality and cloud its purposes as a sort of "kinder, gentler" form of communism, socialism, whatever the term of choice. Since September 11th, its been impossible for loathable America-haters from Tom Dascle to CAIR in the US to Jacque Chiraq to Pali's dancing in the West Bank to cover their true intentions: the ultimate destruction of Western Civilization.

Everything is now out in the open, for all the world, and for all of history, to see. More and more I think conservatives and other lovers of freedom have realized the stark choices that the beginning of the twenty-first century offers: the fruits of freedom or, yet again, the bonds of slavery. In most cases I believe those who love liberty and have sought to push it around the globe have taken off their kiddie gloves. There's no way we would have been able to accomplish GWII before September 11th, at least politically. So I say let the bastards who hate America show their faces, so we can either A) kill them (like Saddam), B) Jail them (supporters of terror 'round the world), or C) Shun them from the civilized world, such as Monsieur Arnett.

Quite frankly, nobody on the Right, who has a functioning brain will allow for a second these Islamofascists to succeed in tearing down America. Reagan taught us to have some balls in the Cold War, and I think people are getting the message, finally. We've seen the precedents set by the Second World War and the Third World War (aka Cold War), and I sincerely hope we don't shit around dealing with this new World War.

Let the bitches of the world like this Useful Idiot, little miss Rachel, come out of the wood-work so we can see exactly who and what we are fighting, and proceed to destroy whatever ideological, paramilitary forces they may posses.

#24

Do you think he got that polite applause because the attendees didn't know who Rachel "The Pancake" Corrie was?

Or did they know who she was and just try to show the cleric some respect?

#21 really grumpy

I take it you're okay with the various American-Irish, American-Jewish, American-Hindu, American-Pigeon Fancier bodies?

Juxtaposition infers nothing more than a relationship of some sort. That relationship can just as easily be one of opposition, as one of equivalence. Do you see reds under the bed, and messages in tea leaves as well?

Have fun with your armchair war on Islam. I guess it keeps you off the streets. Just wondering; How many muslim countries have you actually been to, and what has Islam ever actually done to you to provoke such bitterness?

#25 Brian

That's right Brian. We're all out to get you.

Ooooo Ooooo, the scary leftists are all out to steal away Brian's freedoms! Then on to the complete dectruction of western civilisation.

Bah! foiled by those meddling kids and their dog again!

#27 View from your ass

How many muslim countries have you actually been to

Not speaking for Grumpy, but I've been 5 muslim countries. And WTF do you mean with this?

and what has Islam ever actually done to you to provoke such bitterness?

Are you even in the same world as the rest of us?

and what has Islam ever actually done to you to provoke such bitterness?

Ahh, playing the ignorance card again, View.

Hmm, well, 9/11 may have had something to do with his bitterness. Somalia, the Cole, Beruit, Munich.. how far back should I go?

Oh, I forgot, Islam is a religion of peace.

You ignorant fuck.

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Ooooo Ooooo, the scary leftists are all out to steal away Brian's freedoms! Then on to the complete dectruction of western civilisation.

You really think they aren't?

Do you honestly think that if there were no "conservatives" in this country, the country would still be free, and by free, I mean, non-socialist, non-tyrannous?

Pull your 'ead aht o' your arse.

#31

So I suppose the Christians or, God forbid, the JEWS, are the ones who are perpetrating evil acts all over the friggin world.

Open your eyes you jackass. Again, you are on the losing team.

#29 & 30

Timothy McVeigh supposedly blew up the Oklahoma Fed Building as payback for the Branch Davidians.

Osama claimed to do it for Islam.

99% of Islam didn't support 9/11.

Bush makes it clear he doesn't view this as a religious conflict.

I have a pretty good idea where the ignorance lies.

Rachel Corrie should have been married and yelling at her husband for not taking her out, rather than as a single woman shouting at Israelis for protecting themselves.

Are left wing women just not getting any decent nookie and that is why they are posing as commies? Help me out here.

#27 view from Ireland

If you really are the apologist for terrorists that you appear to be, I'm just curious if your mother still loves you, just exactly as you are. Jackass. I told you before that you are scum in a previous response, and yet you continue to attack me for my beliefs.

Obviously your vision is superior to mine. So be it. Unfortunately you are being proved wrong by history, not me.

It is you that will have to come to terms with that, not me. If it bothers you that I speak the truth, that is your problem, not mine.

Frankly, I don't have a lot of time or sympathy remaining for bitter little losers like yourself. I have a bigger agenda in mind. Spout your pathetic philosophies of destruction, and you will become even more hated around here than you already are.

If you truly believe what you say, why don't you just strap a belt of explosives around your waist, and get it on?

Face it, your convictions are nothing. You aren't prepared to face death, or your inevitable eternity in hell, are you?

If you truly believe that you are right, then do something other than be a burr under the saddle for a lot of people who do care, including myself; act as if you really care.

I already served my country in the Marine Corps in a campaign where thousands of Americans lost their lives, and many more that that were maimed or scarred forever.

What have you done for your country?

#34

Timmy is in hell along with Osama and Saddam.

And I would dispute your 99% claim of Islam not supporting 9/11. Where are they now? Where is the outrage on the Muslim street rallying against the jihadis?

GWB is a politician. Do you think in his heart of hearts he believes that Islam is a religion of peace? I sure don't. But to start the ball rolling, he has to proclaim such.

View, if you want to be subjected to Shari'a, then so be it. I for one, am prepared to fight to the death for freedom. Open your eyes.

Since this piece of shit is now a martyr, does she get the 72 virgin little boys kissing her backside like all good martyrs are due? Or would even the thought of kissing this beast turn the 6 dozen to stone?

#32 JulianneTheWise

I live in a free country, and a country that has socialistic elements to it's governance. We manage just fine with our own political mix, and have as many freedoms (more recently, given the climate) as the US. There's more than one way to skin a cat. The British, Canadians, Dutch, Swedes, Finns, Spanish, New Zealanders, and many others all seem to cope pretty well too.

#34 VFYA

99% of Islam didn't support 9/11.

Can you possibly find any credible link, anywhere in the world, or even your world to prove this "fact"?

Timothy McVeigh supposedly blew up the Oklahoma Fed Building as payback for the Branch Davidians.

And WTF has this to do with what you posted about muslims?

I have a pretty good idea where the ignorance lies.

Yup, me to, in that vacuum you call your brain.

Ahhh, here comes the trolls.

Of course this one guy will probably assume 10 aliases to make himself look plentiful.

Is it any wonder that over the past four centuries people have been streaming out of Europe and every other corner of the world? We have something called freedom here, baby. I'm sorry if your head is shoved to far up your ass to know what that is, but it means that diversity exists and people are allowed to live as they want to live, as long as it doesn't intrude on another's life or liberty. People continue to come here to escape the freakish idiocies of the rest of the planet, they don't leave America.

Way to go on surrendering your own country's sovereignty to the EU. That's real impressive.

It isn't a religious conflict so much as an ideological conflict. But Bush could never say that because the looney multiculturalist left would be all over him, calling him a "bigot." Even when Bush plays nicey-nice with Islam, he gets slammed. Can you imagine what would happened if he even intimated that there is something inherent in Islam that tends to violent acts? That this is indeed a war about values, ours versus theirs, life versus death? He'd be slaughtered, metaphorically speaking.

view from ireland

You wouldn't be one of those bastards who defames the good name of Ireland by supporting the bombing of innocent men, women, and children, would you?

One of those assholes who thinks their cause gives nobility to cowardly acts?

One of those chickenshits who depends on the decency of their foes keeping them from wiping out a large chunk of your society to get you scumbags as you hide amongst your own women and children, depending on them to defend you instead of the other way around as true men do?

If so, your ideal has been hopelessly corrupted by the evil you have commited; your dream is forever spoiled by dishonor and its fruit will always have a bitter taste.

Good presentation on Palestinian influence on foreign news reporting.

I'm sorry, view from ireland, but I don't believe that socialism and freedom can coexist.

I am aware of the socialistic elements of the US. We are not completely free, but we are the freest.

If the Left had its way, we'd be drifting...well, to the left (as we are anyhow, or were, prior to 9-11) which inevitably leads to more socialization, which = less freedom.

#31

I often posit my thoughts on indymedia, democraptic underground and clearguidance.

However, they invariably get erased within 12-24 hours.

Please don't accuse me of only posting among friends.

Oh, and how are you and your "friends" enjoying irrelevance?

Thanks, RightIsRight.

I TRIED to post on DU. I was banned. And I'm not even a "freeper." I'm a libertarian (that makes me "progressive"...right?)

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I posted in their guestbook, and I tried to keep it short and factual.

But even that little got my IP banned, so I can't go back to see what any replies to it were.

#47

I am lucky enough to have a dynamic IP. So I can get banned every few days. :)

#48

Ideas? Please do tell.

Bah, he won't be back.

Does Indymedia have an LGF 'watch'? Everytime this bulldozer babe is brought up, the trolls come out of the woodwork!

lol @ view from Ireland:
We all know the Irish are ones to listen to when we want advice about how to tolerate different religions...(not going to mention tolerating different denominations)

Couldn't have happened to a sicker bitch.

Re: Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)

A better name would have been:

League of Islamic-American Relations (LIAR)

Re: Why be bitter over Islam? Because it's a fight to the death. Here are how the "peace-loving" muslims view non-muslims, according to the Qur’an:

"Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. ... lie in ambush everywhere for them...." (9:5)

"Those that make war against God and His apostle and spread disorder in the land shall be put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the land...." (5:34,35)

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God’s religion [Islam, of course] shall reign supreme" (8:39)

"Fight against such of those to whom the Scriptures were given given ... and do not embrace the true Faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (9:29) [To whom the Scriptures given? Jews and Christians.]

They're deadly serious. If we ignore the threat, we lose.

Where is the picture of her flattened by the dozer? It should be right under the one above. Fitting end.

RightIsRight...but how can you stand it? How can you absorb such high doses of insanity without mutating?

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#36 really grumpy

I'm no apologist for terrorism. I've lived with the realities of terrorism for years. I've lost friends and nearly lost my parents to terrorist acts. I think I can speak with more authority than most Americans on the subject of living with terrorism.

Here's a wake up call: The 'war on terrorism' is a futile gesture without addressing the root causes of terrorism. Iraq had sod all to do with 9/11 and neither Syria or Iran are the source of your problem. Sure, chasing down Osama and his gang is a pretty smart idea. Extending US power into ever more peoples faces is not so clever though, and demonising Islam even dumber. The Russians won't defeat the Chechnyans militarily, and the US will never defeat terrorism either.

The only way to address terrorism in the long term is to deal with the source of grievances, and that sometimes involves compromise. That's no philosophy of destruction, it's one of dialogue and pragmatism.

Stop propping up one side in the palestinian dispute, get the air force out of Saudi and into Iraq or wherever, sort out the mess in Iraq with the UN, start meaningful dialogue with the moderates in Iran, and stop playing the bullyboy with Syria. That might confound the 'Arab Street' and make for some meaningful progress.

#54 Jesus
Funny thing, she wasn't flat. The stories told by the "witnesses" don't jibe. Read all the previous threads on this terrorist protector.

#55

HAH... good point. Maybe cause I am not a "neo-con". I have staunch conservative capitalistic blood in my bones.

And I am not immune to the douchebaggery (thanks to Model4 for that term) the flows like a 60" sewer pipe at Demoncraptic Underpants. My bloodpressure does often venture into dangerous territory.

But then I stand back and put it all into perspective and have a good laugh and a nice single malt.

if you think shutting down a web site affects the palestinians one iota,

you're deluding yourself

only total annihilation of their leadership will even BEGIN to make a dent in this bunch

Anyone wanna place bets on how many of these "drive-by-trolls" have the same IPs?

#59: I'd need at least a double.

My friend at #57

"The Russians won't defeat the Chechnyans militarily, and the US will never defeat terrorism either."

Hmmm ... the Afghan theatre was in mop up after about a month or so ... the Iraqi theatre has been declared void of "serious combat opperations" for about a week now. I guess you're right, we won't defeat them militarily.

And

"get the air force out of Saudi and into Iraq or wherever"

This is the exact point that so called "neocons" [I hate that term, that and "paleo", so pointless] have been argueing for years. They don't want us, we don't want them. Its useless and sad for us to show any support to a dictatorship that holds American citizens - women - hostage and against their will.

#18 RightIsRight

Sorry for my late reply to your post, but I'm sure that you are aware that NOW has waddled into this fray as a friend of righteousness, in saying that considering Laci Peterson's murder as a double homicide is a dangerous precedent to make; in that people can argue that those not yet living have equal rights; i.e. that they can be murdered like the rest of us.

While I understand the thought around the extermination of the unborn, there is something seriously troubling about the situation where an angry Scott could burst into the delivery room moments before birth, and use an icepick to stab the "incipient human being" in the brain just prior to birth, and by the logic of NOW, he could be charged with disorderly conduct, or brandishing a deadly weapon, or at worst, assault with the intent to injure.

I'd seriously love to hear some pro-choice idiot give me their argument about this one.

Julianne: you guessed right; they're all the same person, none other than our "pal" Insidiot, posting from New York University again.

#40 reaganite
Not a shred of evidence, other than them saying so. The same dodgy evidence that indicated Americans didn't like it either.

#43 Jimmy the Dimmy
Nope. 'fraid not. You wouldn't be one of those shoe fetishists?

#45 JulianneTheWise
You may not believe it, but it's hard to ignore the evidence to hand surely? We keep voting for social systems that lie to the left of the US model, not out of oppression, but choice.

#57 VFYA

neither Syria or Iran are the source of your problem.

Doesn't this statement contardict this one?

Sure, chasing down Osama and his gang is a pretty smart idea.

in ...the long term is to deal with the source of grievances, and that sometimes involves compromise.

As you have posted sooooooooooooooooo many times before, you wish to appease them. I think Slick Willy did enough of that, and what happened?

sort out the mess in Iraq with the UN,

The UN created the problem, how many tidbits of UN complicity will make you understand the UN is nothing other then a debating society that accomplishes nothing?

start meaningful dialogue with the moderates in Iran

So now you're advocating subverting an existing government? Which is it, meddle or not meddle in the affairs of other countries? Could you possibly waffle anymore?

and stop playing the bullyboy with Syria.

Wait, didn't you just say "chasing down Osama and his gang is a pretty smart idea"? So, taking down one terrorist organization is "good" but bullying another is bad? Oops, my bad, it's just another waffle in your "argument".

OT #63:

You should notice that it was the Modesto branch of NOW that was complaining about it being a double homicide. A woman from the national headquarters of NOW was on Fox this morning saying that there is no problem with it being a double homicide.

I thought the photos of her being killed were fake?

Have we resolved that one yet?

#62 Brian

Ah!. So Osama has been caught, and there aren't still soldiers being killed? 5 killed in Afghanistan attack

Anyone who thinks you can defeat terrorists with an army hasn't really been payng close attention.

What is it with the lack of common sense some of these people display? You stand in front of a bulldozer, you run the risk of getting bull-dozed! If she's that stupid she deserved to get squashed...natural selection and "thinning of the herd."

#70 mdf

"thinning of the herd."

I prefer "chlorine in the gene pool"!

#65: So I suppose voting yourself into slavery is somehow better than it being imposed upon you...

Will there ever be websites,tributes,and congressional investiagations for Abigial levital,Koby Mandell,Yehuda Shoham or all the other American and Israeli American children brutally murdered at the hands of Palestinian terrorists that people like poor Rachel defended and supported?

#57:

The only way to address terrorism in the long term is to deal with the source of grievances, and that sometimes involves compromise. That's no philosophy of destruction, it's one of dialogue and pragmatism.

Gotcha. Dialogue requires two partners. There's nobody to talk to on "Arab street".

#66 reaganite

So now you're advocating subverting an existing government? Which is it, meddle or not meddle in the affairs of other countries? Could you possibly waffle anymore?

No. I'm advocating dialogue with the democratically elected representatives in Iran that support greater democratisation and reform. That's not meddling. It's diplomacy and fence mending.

Bullyboy tactics with Syria won't help anyone. Reasoned dialogue might.

Hate to be a nuissance, Charles and Julianne, but I got ya a second earlier with "this is probably the same troll with 10 aliases." ;-)

Reaganite, beautiful dissection of the idiot's contradictions. Nice, very nice.

Charles, that website does indeed include the angry flagburning picture...it's on the second page of the "Pictures" section, but apparently they're not ashamed of it or anything.

The caption (which seems to be from Reuters or AP) says it's a "mock flag burning", as if that makes it better. There's nothing magical about a cloth being made of cloth or paper or anything else, in my opinion--her intention was clearly to show contempt for her country while in a foreign land, which is way out of line.

"reasoned dialogue might"

Hmmmm. Did anybody say Munich? Dialogue sure as hell worked there. Dialogue also worked for 12 years in the UN to get Saddam to comply. Oh, wait, i'm sorry, the inspections were finally working after 12 years, that's right.

#75 VFYA

No. I'm advocating dialogue with the democratically elected representatives in Iran

Umm...do you actually read the news out of Iran? Don't you even have a clue that the "elected" reps are not in control? Puff puff give, you're fucking up the rotation! That's some good shit you're smoking.

VFI writes:

Bullyboy tactics with Syria won't help anyone. Reasoned dialogue might

If you've been following the same media as I have, you might have observed that bullyboy tactics seem to have worked marvelously with in recent days. Even the Arab press is acknowledging this; for example, this in Al-Jazeera: [Link: english.aljazeera.net...]

Muslim Arabs tend to admire the "strong horse," as the Scottish separatist leader Bin Laddie once noted.

Correction re: my #80: worked marvelously with Syria and other Arab states in recent days

#76 Brian
Thanks, but honestly, VFI is not a troll. It is severely misguided and will not be bothered with facts but it certainly tries hold a rational (and I use the term loosely) argument.

#12 & #22 (and anyone else interested in knowing how many americans have been killed by palestinian arab terrorists in the past decade):

[Link: www.house.gov...]

pity it doesn't include the names of americans killed by arab/islamic terrorism prior to 1993...

#57 view from Ireland

Stop propping up one side in the palestinian dispute, get the air force out of Saudi and into Iraq or wherever, sort out the mess in Iraq with the UN, start meaningful dialogue with the moderates in Iran, and stop playing the bullyboy with Syria. That might confound the 'Arab Street' and make for some meaningful progress.

First point:
Many might acknowledge problems with the Israelis, but there is that terrorism thing that has a way of preventing us from viewing the Palestinians as anything but a criminal society. If you read my post #43, which might or might not apply to you, I don't know, you might begin to understand that we place a higher degree of disapproval on terrorism than the degree of understanding that we might place a measure of sympathy on the cause of the Palestinians. The terrorism will prevent the progress in their cause rather than aid it. This has definitely come true after September 11, 2001.

Second point:
The Air Force and any other assets are there with the permission and in fact at the request of the Saudi government. That is who our government deals with, for better or worse.

Third point:
The UN is so sorrupt and unaccountable that it would continue the exploitation of the Iraqi people at only a slightly less level thatn Saddam himself has been doing. The US's plan to attempt democratic reform of Iraq is far more valuable to us than the mere capitalistic exploitation of Iraq, which we could do quite thoroughly if that was our intent. As it is, I suppose that we intend to buy the oil at market prices in addition to injecting considerable money of our own into the country. Our spoils of war will consist of contracts for reconstruction and oil redevelopment, which will be monies paid for services rendered. It's not stealing.

Fourth point:
The moderates in Iran are not the ones in power. The "moderates" in the government have no rea; power. If we openly communicate with the (non-governmental) moderates, and there are some, we put them at a variety of risks. No doubt there are plans, but we will have to wait on that one.

Fifth point:
Syria is a terrorist state that is also effectuively occupying another one, Lebanon. They are also a Ba'athist government, closely related to the former regime in Iraq. I suspect that the reports of Iraqi officials moving to Syria are true, and I would not be a bit surprised that Iraqi WMD's have been moved there also. No, we will not leave them alone, I hope.

Sixth point:
We already have the Arab street plenty confounded in our own way. Let's see how this works for a while, the big danger is over for now, no sense in worrying so. If anything else is to happen, we all will know it long before, just like this time.

#78 Brian

Given that it was 12 years of 'give up your WMD' and so far nothing has been found, I'd be less damning if I were you. Dialogue works just as often as war, and has the added bonus of not killing people quite so much.

#79 reaganite

Yes. Iran is still controlled by clerics, but their control is now moderated somewhat by reformers. It would seem sensible to support those refoms internally where possible.

I was playing solitaire this afternoon when I came across Rat-chel Corrie, the Queen of Spades, felt a bit greasy to the touch, so I washed my hands. Later, I noticed I noticed I had two Queens of Spades. I kept the cardboard one and burned the greasy one. Then I washed my hands. Again.

#85 VFYA

but their control is now moderated somewhat by reformers

Seriously, pass whatever you're smoking over here! Explain to us exactly what keeps happening to the moderate news sources in Iran when they propose anything but clerics views? Moderated my ass, you should really get some help for that crack addiction.

I'm glad that this racist coward died. Where was she when millions of Black Africans were murdered?

#85

Dialogue works just as often as war, and has the added bonus of not killing people quite so much.

When exactly has "dialogue" freed opressed people? Give me an example?

Yes. Iran is still controlled by clerics, but their control is now moderated somewhat by reformers. It would seem sensible to support those refoms internally where possible.

Right... In the same way that, say, any High School in America is controlled by the administration and is moderated by the student council.

R.

Actually, I only noticiced tht I had two Queens once.

Oh... I might add democratically elected student council.

HA HA.... you guys crack me up sometimes. Jeesh.

r.

Anyone else notice that VFI ignores anything in anyone's posts that can't be answered by a "sound-bite"? Such as:

It would seem sensible to support those refoms internally where possible.

Completely ignoring the obvious fact that we already are! The US has for the last few years (even under Slick Willy) has supported the reformists.

Actually, the Corrie site is quite convenient. They make it VERY easy to write to your congressperson. Just pick the issue (e.g. Support for Corrie, Opposition to Pipes, etc.) erase the idiotic drivel they've written in both the subject line and the body of the message and write your own. Nancy Pelosi just got an e-mail stating that I DO NOT want congress expressing sympathy for that terrorist supporter. Here's what I wrote:

Rachel Corrie was a terrorist supporter and sympathizer. She burned American flags on foreign soil, taught Palestinian Children to hate America and Israel and, in her writings, lauded the very violence that killed some 3,000 Americans on 9/11 and that we are now fighting. I strongly urge you to not waste a momnet of your time or a dime of taxpayer money on either support or sympathy for an avowed and passionate enemy of America and her allies.

I recomend that everyone take about two minutes and use the site to send your own message.

View - 57

You are so convinced that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11? Despite their involvement in the WTC I attack? Despite the fact of that Youseff, the originator of the planned mass bombing of 15 transPacific flights, and the source of the Al-Qaeda idea to use civilian airliners as kamikazes was a known Iraqi intelligence agent? Despite the efforts of many to disprove the statements and evidence that had Atta meeting with Iraqi intelligence agents in Praque? Or the organized efforts to disprove / ignore the facts of Salmon Pak being used by multiple terror organizations to train hijacking? Or the links from the terror bases in the North of Iraq that linked Hussein's regime with Al-Qaeda? - Let's not even waste any time wondering why America's FBI decided not to track down John Doe 1 from the OKC bombing - even though some witnesses of John Doe 1 have identified him - and it turns out that he was an Iraqi intelligence agent under diplomatic cover?

No, Saddam doesn't work with terrorists.

But the really interesting thing about evidence is - if you don't want to see it - you won't. One can either believe what they see or only see what they believe. You are the latter.

Military force will never defeat terrorists? Wrong again. Claiming that is like saying conventional military forces cannot defeat guerilla's in an unconventional fight. History proves you wrong - guerillas and terrorists can always be defeated when the will to fight is present.

Syria / Iran not problems? Funny, Islamic fundalmentalistic terrorism in the 20th century didn't start until the Iranian Islamic Republic was founded. Links to terrorism - Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Hezbollah all receive significant Iranian and Syrian sponsorship and support. Then there is the destruction of the only Arab democracy in the Middle East, and the subsequent 27 year occupation of that nation by Syria. You want to talk about occupied lands - talk about Lebanon. That's the real occupied land....but you choose to ignore that issue.

Despite your socialistic, anti-American leanings, terrorism isn't caused by grievances. It's caused by hatred. It's caused by cowardice. Cowardice also encourages it - for if the victim of terrorism isn't willing to stand and fight for what they believe in - the use of terror is encouraged and grows. Standing up to terror is what destroys terror - not appeasement.

The root of terror in the Middle East is caused by the following:

1) The despots, mad mullahs, dictators, and corrupt monarchies that lead the Arab nations.
2) The desire of these losers to deflect the attention of their people from their abuse and poverty to others. To avoid accountability for their mismanagement and blame others knowing that the bulk of the people are kept in such ignorance, that the charade is sure to work.
3) The desire to reestablish past glories of relgious domination to mask the corruption and failure today in those lands. Avert the attention of the masses less they see the cancer within.
4) To take power and wealth from others without having to build and earn it.

Your view is so narrow - I wonder if your note pads are only 2cm wide?

Latest VFI: "Dialogue works just as often as war, and has the added bonus of not killing people quite so much."

Tell that to 182,000 Iraqi Kurds, unknown numbers of marsh Arabs in the south, and countless political dissidents we've never heard of and will never hear of.

For saying that what Muslim Arabs understand best is a kick in the pants I've gotten called a fascist and worse. This is totally upside-down. It's because Muslim Arab culture is fascistic that a demonstration of overwhelming force is needed before trying to reason with them.

#92 reaganite

Proper diplomatic relations and removal of US economic sanctions might help. If the British can re-engage with the Libyans, then the US can re-engage with the Iranians.

I think the Libyans know how to "engage" some of the British pretty damn well ....

Holy crap! I go away for a few days and y'all are still feeding the Troll from Ireland? (Didn't he claim to be leaving in a huff?) Is the postwar world so dull? (Yeah, I know.)

RightisRight (#18): Actually it seems to me that the whole death-penalty-opposition thing reeks of 9/10. Especially the European flavor: this whole humane punishment idea hatched under the millenial delusion of living in endless peace looks absurdly out-of-touch now. The Fortuyn killer's laughably light sentence sums it up.

I wonder what trends polling data show.

#85 view from Ireland

Why don't you ask an Iranian Hossein how the "clerics are moderated somewhat by reformers".

#97 VFYA

If the British can re-engage with the Libyans, then the US can re-engage with the Iranians.

Umm...besides the fact that the mullas refuse to "re-engage"? What part of the "great satan" don't you understand? How can you "re-engage" with a country who won't talk?

#26 RiR - of course, both of your comments are right: some people knew who Corrie was and most people (even me) applauded out of respect for the Imam.

T#57 view from Ireland - the root cause of terrorism is a few people who want to kill US or "martyr" themselves trying. Who cares what they think? We've got a very pragmatic approach to dealing with terrorists - kill them. We've got plenty of bullets, come and get 'em while they're hot. Regarding Chechnya - compare the US military and the Russians and you'll see it is possible to kill all the terrorists, especially people who are as deluded as this guy (a TEACHER no less; maybe Columbia's hiring):

"We left for Iraq as volunteers to join the Iraqis who are die-set to defend their country, but returned victims to betrayal by some Iraqi army members and hatred - and even attacks - by some Iraqi civilians," recalled Al-Tayeb Bin Othman, a 27-year-old teacher.
"Arab volunteers were put in the frontlines while the Republican Guard units were in the back in the battle around Baghdad’s Saddam International airport," said Al-Assad Jirad in disgruntle, adding 400 Arab volunteers breathed their last during the fighting.
"We were fired at by the town residents, who killed three of us. They just shouted asking us 'why you are here? Did you came to defend Saddam?'" Emad, another volunteer, asserted.

[Link: www.islamonline.net...]

Oh, my bad, I forgot appeasement!

OK view from Ireland, I'll keep it simple, here's how the process works.

1. Talk - good
2a. Terrorists - bad,
2b. terrorists - war
3. War - good

Ya got that?

Well, I guess we've overwhelmed VFI. Seems it's at a loss for words.

Can someone explain to me how to link a URL to a word in my text without the URL itself appearing in the message?

Debate

Who? Myself and Todd Oullete

What? Amature debate on terrorism

Where?: Winona State University Kryszko Commons Dinning Rooms C & D

When? Wednesday April 23 7pm Central

Why? Because I hate terrorists!!!

my god in heaven... how about that freakin counter at the bottom of the page?

1 American??

idiots

Though I mourn her untimely and tragic death, I am heartened to know that Rachel will make a lasting contribution to society. As a handy way to clean under the refrigerator coils.

And remember...

Rage - 0
Machine - 1

I'm going to make a t-shirt that says "Remember Rachel Corrie!" on the front, and on the back it's going to have that picture of her burning the flag.

Then I'll strut through Olympia and hilarity will ensue.

#110 Bob,

I'm going to make a t-shirt that says "Remember Rachel Corrie!" on the front, and on the back it's going to have that picture of her burning the flag.

I know many have already seen this Corrie steamroller bit,
[Link: vinylfrontier.com...]

but the more I hear about Rachel Corrie, the closer I get to taking steps to turn that image into an iron-on. I don't want to go through the trouble of making T-shirts, but if there is any demand for it, iron-on decals may be a cheap option.

oh man I never saw that! haha

eh, I wouldn't want to piss off her parents and / or have a fatwa issued against me by the hippies who live near me.

On the site, at the very bottom, an email is available for condolences:
rachelsmessage@the-corries.com

I'm tempted to send them a non-condolence.

#110
How much are you going to charge for a t-shirt?
I want one.

View From Ireland,

I'm a Democrat in the old style. While I believe some socialist idea's can work (if properly administrated, which it rarely is), I am also a firm believer in national defense.
Granted there are problems in the middle East which the western world has caused (namely Britain, France and a few other mentionables), the muslims have been ripping themselves to shreds over the last century becuase of a decidedly toxic combination of Islam and Nationalism. And it shows no sign of abatting (sp?) soon.
And the Qu'ran is reguarded as Truth with a capital T. These are not moral relativists like we have in the Western world. The Qu'ran is perfect in their eyes (it says so right in the book), and everyone who is non-Muslim is Kufr, Infidel, (add adjective here), etc., and must be destroyed or crushed according to The Qu'ran.
Seriously, These people need a Reformation in the worst way possible. I just finished rereading the Qu'ran, trying to find this "Religon of Peace & Equality" they keep talking about.
You need to cut out about 75% of the book to get a comprehensible structural frame work that is okay. The rest is full of ways to Kill the Infidel, Opress the Women, wipe out all dissenters, and other orders which most Western societies would have serious problems with.
I'm sorry, But I don't think the people here are that far off the mark when talking about what's going on.

#39 - View from Ireland

I live in a free country, and a country that has socialistic elements to it's governance. We manage just fine with our own political mix

Now, I'm a dual national (Irish/US), so I may get in trouble for pointing this out. But, View From Ireland, you and I know what you said just isn't true.

We bloody well *don't* manage just fine with our own political mix. In the South, the gun has just gotten out of politics, and don't get me started on the North. You may think you're living in a modern, clean nation of the european union, and in a sense you are, but in another very real sense, you're also still living in the middle of an on-going war.

You can be as Euro-pompous as you want, but at least the Americans aren't blowing each other up, don't have to have an army in the streets, don't have to have bank armoured cars followed by soldiers in trucks and don't have to have fortified watchtowers in their high streets.

So do us a favor and take the more-enlightened-than-thou attitude somewhere else and substitute a little more self-criticism.

BTW, how many American states have you been to, oh demander-of-physical-presence-in-a-state-before-cr iticising-it???

#115 Kevin V

BTW, how many American states have you been to, oh demander-of-physical-presence-in-a-state-before-cr iticising-it???

This is simply a variant of the same old tired lefty "chickenhawk" argument. Other versions include: You're a man & have no right to an opinion on abortion; You're not black, so how dare you opine regarding affirmative action; You've never experienced poverty, so don't presume to think about welfare; etc. The variations are endless, and supply meaningless-but-high-minded sounding platitudes for those myriad occasions when one can't muster a reasoned argument.

More Corrie Idiocy, this from the Rocky Mountain News
I cannot quote the whole article here, but here's some of it:

Rachel Corrie, a 23-year-old from Olympia, Wash., was deliberately crushed by an Israeli bulldozer; Brian Avery, a 24-year-old from Albuquerque, was shot in the face by an Israeli soldier in an armored vehicle; and Tom Hurndall, a British national, was shot in the head by an Israeli sniper from a watchtower and is now brain dead.


They were targeted not because they are "war activists" but because Israel is now showing the same disregard for the lives of Palestinian supporters as it has always shown Palestinians.

E (#118)

was deliberately crushed by an Israeli bulldozer

Aaaaargh! Will it never end!?

#84 Jimmy the Dimmy

I suspect that the reports of Iraqi officials moving to Syria are true

Saddam will show up in Syria if we dont catch him at the border.

#118 E
The Rocky Mountain News is somewhat idiotarian, but its nothing compared to the Boulder Daily Camera. Us Colorado Republicans are a too-silent majority.

OT - Re: Rocky Mountain News

I was returning from a dog breeder in Denver a couple of years ago, and stopped for coffee on my way back. I found myself in line behind an incredibly shrill battle axe, who was ripping into this minimum wage clerk because there weren't enough blueberries in her blueberry bagel. She claimed to be a reporter for the RMN, and threatened to turn the issue in to the consumer desk.

I was reminded of William Tecumseh Sherman's attitude regarding reporters, and his famous remark: "If I killed them all, there'd be news from hell before breakfast."

And that's how Sherman, the English Springer Spaniel, acquired his name (and they all lived happily ever after. The end).

It is no fun to watch that contorted face in an orgasm for burning a flag

#123 Oldham

Look on the bright side: These are the twits the left is most closely identified with now. It is their agenda that is assuming prominence in the Democrat party - witness the jeering of Lieberman and Edwards at recent party rallies.

As I've posted elsewhere, it warms the empty cavity in my heartless conservative chest to see the opposition so thoroughly marginalizing itself.

Sit back, enjoy the show, and give it up for useful idiocy!

#106 Hey Moe!

See the blue words above the text box, specifically "Link (new)".

Just click that, paste the url into the pop-up text box, click OK, then type the words that will appear as the link, click OK again then... TaDaa!

Don't forget to thank Charles for doing all the nifty programming behind the scenes.

I don't know what the comprehension problem about Rachel Corrie is. She was collateral damage in a war zone. Collateral damage happens in all war zones.

What's that? This isn't a war? Rachel Corrie, her brain dead compatriots and the Arab refugees are fighting for disputed territories occupied by the J-E-W-S? Sorry, don't buy it. Ms. Corrie and her ideologically deluded brethren are doing the dirty work for PA now and are no more than propaganda machines similar to SoDamn's human shields.

#124 brianstien

Thanks for pointing out the bright side. I am eagerly waiting for the lefties to commit political and physical suicide.

The somber side is that I feel a bit alone among too many lefties (I live in Europe). LGF is a certain relief.

#126 NTropy,

In case you need to get some Rachel Corrie out of your system.

Fake photos, anyone?

Damn PDM!

You really need to compile a greatest hits page.

I wonder if the bull-dozer involved has considered suing people who claim (s)he deliberately ran over Rachael. Such allegations go beyond criticism of the government as "I was just following orders" wouldn't absolve the bull-dozer of blame if it really happened.

Going by reverse barometer David Irving, the death would be accidental (explanation below):

DI claimed holocaust didn't happen - it did
DI claimed Dresden was the real holocaust, with 100,000 killed - according to Irving trial, that figure is 10 times more than reliable estimates
DI claimed there was a massacre at Jenin - there wasn't
DI claims that Rachael Corrie was murdered - therefore she wasn't.

Another laugh - has someone noted all the "no peace with settlements" in the pictures [Link: www.distanceeddesign.com...] ?

Mark my words, the peace symbol is the 21st century swastika. Just waiting for some hemp-booted thugs to take me away to be "re-educated"...

In the page Charles originally linked to, there are 3 photos of Rachel, the first of which has her in some kind of bird suit. What is that? Is she Ramallah Fried Chicken, Jenin Duck, Gaza Gull or Arafat's Albatross? And what exactly is she doing in the costume? Clucking for peace? Laying an egg against oppression? Flapping for Palestine?

The Arabic for pigeon is Hamam, which is close enough to Hamas - a bit like Rachel, perhaps? Tulkarm Turkey?

...

#133: "the first of which has her in some kind of bird suit"

That's the funniest thing I've seen all evening! :D LOL

#130 aphex jim,

Here is a page that I put together quite some time ago but never uploaded (because I really don't like it).
[Link: vinylfrontier.com...]
Hopefully I will get a cool site together soon.

i'm glad she died...she probably creamed her panties at the idea of dying a martyr. so we all win this way.

#133 Paul of Arabia:

Presumably dressed as a dove.

Terrorist sympathizer in dove clothing - that sounds like an apt description.

#116 Kevin V

You can be as Euro-pompous as you want, but at least the Americans aren't blowing each other up, don't have to have an army in the streets, don't have to have bank armoured cars followed by soldiers in trucks and don't have to have fortified watchtowers in their high streets.

So do us a favor and take the more-enlightened-than-thou attitude somewhere else and substitute a little more self-criticism.

BTW, how many American states have you been to, oh demander-of-physical-presence-in-a-state-before-cr iticising-it???

No-one is blowing each other up here. The Omagh bombing was in 1998, and that was one of the last gasps of a tiny group with precious little support.

Army patrols have been reduced down to mainly troubled 'interface' points in the North. In general their presense is far less noticable than ever before. I noticed more troopers in New York last time I was there.

NI is gradually being 'normalised', and as you know damn well, the south hasn't been noticably effected by events in the north for a long time. Irish army patrols with large cash transfers are about 'ordinary' criminal activity these days. The banks don't want them to stop, and they're probably right.

I've been to eleven states in the US, and worked in two. I've seen how things operate in Berkley, NYC and Huntsville AL. I'd have said that gave me some perspective on the country. I don't claim you have to go to a place to hold an opinion on it. Never been to Haiti, and don't want to go thanks, still figure it's a bad place. The notion that european countries are lacking in freedom because they're more left leaning than the US is erroneous though, and a bit of simple research would let you know that. That was my point.

#46

How the hell do you get into clearguidance? I've tried a few times but i guess I failed whatever vetting process they have.

nevermind, for some reason I got right in this time. I kind of wish I had not. These guys.... I hope the Feds have an agent on every one of those sick fucks.

#139 - View from Ireland
OK, the bad-old bombing days have gone but STILL nothing has been done about the terrible curse of breaking into song at the sniff of a barmaid's apron ... or I guess you'll be telling me THAT is an unfair stereotype too.

By the way, watching Ireland beat Saudi Arabia in the World Cup last summer at the Irish Village pub in Dubai was probably the best sporting event I've ever been too, and I'm not even Irish. The look on the faces of the two Saudi guys clandestinely sipping an illicit lager in the corner every time the Irish scored was priceless. As they say, Yo, buddy! Pogue Mahone!

Although this is good for a laugh from CG

Question:
Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh. For sheik Salman please, I am a father of 4 and want to fight jihad in Iraq and defend my fellow Muslims there. If I die there with the intention of seeking Allah's pleasure will I die as a Shaheed? I need to know because I only have one life and I don’t want to waste it! Please give me a clear proof from Qur’an and Sunnah and the Salaf Insha’Allah. Was salam.

Answer:

According to my sincerest belief and the best of my knowledge, I advise you not to go. This is a huge war that can only be carried out with the most advanced war machinery. Scholars have forbidden a Muslim to join in a war if he cannot make a real contribution. Otherwise, it is only loss of life to no effect, increasing the number of widows and orphans and, most importantly, allowing more harm to befall us at the hands of our enemies. One day, the believers will have the opportunity to wage war intelligently without having our enemies dictate to us the territory, time, or method of fighting.

Translation: war's over buddy, live to die stupid another day.
Someone needs to hack in and change the advice " GO AND BE MARTYRED BY THE KAFIR! YOU WILL DRIVE THEM BACK! TAKE THE WHOLE FAMILY! SPARE NO EXPENSE! ULULULULULULULULUL!"

VFI

Every time I watched reports of a high street bombing on Sky News there was a guy, may as well been the same guy, saying the exact same thing:"I heard like a loud band, and all I saw was a dust bin flying up in the air."

Was there a certain placement of explosives to achieve the flying dust bin effect and why was this done?

what about these bombs?

# 34 view from Ireland

#99% of Islam didn't support 9/11.

HALF MY CLASSMATES SUPPORT IT - AND ONLY 20% OF THEM ARE MUSLIM.
They say this exactly, "they deserved it".
You are isolated in Ireland. Here, some people love terrorism and cannot wait for the next attack to bring down capitalist America.

And when you state "what have they done to you?". You are forgetting we aren't thousands of km away like you, and we have lost many loved ones from bombs and guns.

I'm been to 2 muslim countries + the Paletinian territories. I hope to go to Turkey one day.

So, what do you want from me? I have muslim friends. I have no Jewish friends, at all, since I was like 10. Happy now? Will you not become happy until I fight with the Muslims? Sorry, but I don't believe in their cause and the open hatred towards America, Capitalism, and JEWS. Communism is bad! It leads to a bad quality of life. Ask any Eastern European.

#144 spidly

Can't say I've noticed any repeat of flying dustbins, but bombings in English cities sometimes used public litterbins as convenient locations. They were removed in Belfast (or made awkward for bombing purposes) long before.

I've a friend who discovered an incendiary device in her business, and put it outside in a public litterbin, where it duely went off a few hours later. I'm not sure why she didn't bother telling anyone about it, when she found it.

A foiled bombing, isn't really a bombing, and as the link points out, they were caught and tried. Most of the RIRA in the republic have police sitting on them 24/7 and can't get up to much these days. The bombing wasn't planned for Ireland either (to be pedantic).

Biggest example of brainwishing I have seen today:

[Link: freedomf.topcities.com...]

Jews do control the government! God your stupid. Please , dont post anymore, your shit is really full of shit. New York city is full of Jews. Why do you think New York city was targeted for 9/11? Not only because its a large economic city, but its full of Jews. And Jews are in the government, if you say they arnt, please quick posting. You can clearly see your the one thats ignorant to mention there are a large number on Jews on the Democrat side. And at the end of the Presidential term, Israel is giving a chance to do whatever the fuck they want regarding policies because both sides, Democrats and Republicans, want to win the Jewish vote. I suggest you research Israeli's foreign policies before saying Jews dont exisit in politics you lying fuck. And another thing, your a dumb fuck if you think i say all Jews are evil, the ones im targeting are the zionist fucks in high positions in society like politics. Im targeting those with hidden agendas. Plus you dont really get to meet alot of Jews since they seperate themselves from everyone else. If your not Jewish the chances of you being friends with them is slim. Especially if you believe in another religion. You also say i dont have any friends? lol wow nice guess.....EH wrong! Wow you really suck at guessing. Oh you mentioned im racist...you forgot that im anti-semtic too, just helping you out my stubborn jewish visitor. lol. Saying my shit is all propeganda...look who talking! Jews own the media. A good example of that is, YOU WILL NEVER EVER SEE ANY SHIT TALKING ABOUT JEWS IN THE NEWSPAPER. But Muslims and Christians, especially Catholics...all the time. These religions are always targetted, i read a good editorial on this issue. And its a fact Media revolves around Jewish input.

and a whole forum of it too.

#145 AB

Sorry, where are you?

Not United States.

#149 AB

You can't narrow it down a little more?

Not Israel either.

#151 AB

why so secretive?

Cause I think I knew what you were getting at specifically. You weren't looking for me to be from some no-name obscure country.

AB,

Not Ireland either, eh? ;-)

That's what I was gonna say next

#154 zulubaby

I don't know how active you are, but I'm very shy.

I really dislike this hate site run by some kid:

[Link: freedomf.topcities.com...]

Wanna see if you can contact the kid's parents and ask if they been teaching their kid this hate? It's just one of those sites, I knew the kid would never want his parents to see.

very mature. I like my country, and don't harbour any desire to be anything but Irish.

I'm just curious.

I wanna be Irish. I have been to this site honestly over 50 times:

[Link: www.irlgov.ie...]

Of course, I have done an anaysis on this site which took maybe half of those visits.

By the way, notice any Irish stereotypes on that site - at the pictures specifically? Do you like or hate stereotypes?

I might not be from any country now. I think the cleaning lady stole my passport.

AB (#156)

I went to that site for a couple of minutes and it is truly vile. I barely had the heart to skim read it. I would like to see it shut down actually. Such hatred and lies! I don't know how to find the info on the site owner, host, etc., but some of the other posters do. We'll see if anyone else checks it out and what they come up with. Shocking, isn't it?

for what it's worth: MEMRI recently issued a translated account of the incident from a report issued by the IDF; it is short and to the point - Ms Corrie was obstructed by mounds of debris, she was crushed by the debris, not the bulldozer (the dozer never touched her), she was protecting vegetation used as cover (FUCKING VEGETATION!), and it calls the ISM's account "fictional".

also yesterday in the Ha-artz (sp?) there is an article by some idiot peacenik israeli who gushes over these people - it is simply an amazing article which must be read to understand their sickness.

here it is.............

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

#157

I like my country, and don't harbour any desire to be anything but Irish.

Oh, the humanity!

As usual VFI has all the ideas, he is smarter than everybody, and certainly smarter than anyone in the US. He is an apologist, meaning he is an expert on terrorism, and an authority on Islam, and very much satisfied that he is right and we (US) is wrong.

VFI, we are not here to make the world better for you or your ilk. Our mission is clear, to hunt down and kill our enemies wherever they lie.

Do not worry about us, we are far removed from the Emerald Isle. No Moslem need fear unless they live in a country that supports terror and the Islamic declared war (total war) against me and my kids. We will hunt these people down and kill them, I am sorry that scares you.

#147 AB:

I have also wondered if NY was targetted in part because of its Jewish population. Especially a building that'd probably be considered the epicentre of banking conspiracies. Or possibly because people from so many nations worked at the WTC.

#157 Paul of Arabia

We all have our skeletons in the closet.

#164 MB

MB, didn't realise you were part and parcel of this grand new crusade. Your role would be...?

The hunting down and killing part isn't going so well though is it? All that money spent on cruise missiles and you still have to stock up on the gaffer tape.

The war on terror is 90% baloney, and it's going to cost an awful lot of money to establish that fact. I've no sympathy for Osama or any other jihad merchant, but I certainly don't see global military aggression as any panacea for terrorism. Richard Perle has just got the whole deal down wrong.

#167 VFI,

And what is your solution? Wishful thinking and butterfly kisses? Maybe providing aid and support, oh wait, we do that and it hasn't helped. And I love how you say that attempted bombings don't count! That is a hoot. I agree with reaganite, what are you smoking? That must be some good shit!

The hunting down and killing part isn't going so well? When was the last terror attack in the US? Oh, Sept 11, that's right. So much for the 'wave of terrorism' that was supposed to be created by attacking Iraq. Hard to organize terror attacks when you are running for your life, I guess.

You are a true hoot though VFI, please don't ever let reality interfere with your delusions!

VFI:

The war on terror is 90% baloney

Which 90%? And what is the 10% of it that is good? And where the hell are you getting these wacky figures?

"jihad merchant"? I'm sorry...what? Does the man have a little booth in the market where he sells "jihad" at exorbitant prices? Yeah, what a bastard, he's skinning the "freedom fighter" market alive.

VFI, I guess you're a member of the FBI or the CIA, to know ever so much about how well our war on terror is going.

If you want the one sentence rationale for "global military aggression" (I shudder at your diction) here it is:
To remove the governments and environments which foster and support terrorists.

Since Richard Perle is so terribly, terribly mistaken, I suppose he could use your advice: what would you suggest we do to remove the threat of terror? Note: while this is not a multiple choice question, appeasement is NOT an option.

#133
The dove motif appeared again, at the memorial service. At that time, a dove costume was worn by a little girl. (Sorry, can't remember where I saw that, might have been a link on Ad Orientem.)I had trouble believing it at the time, but now I don't, having seen this photo.

Speaking as a parent of older children, I'm not sure what to think re: her parents.
If it's true that they were pro-Palestinians sympathizers, then I guess they reaped what they sowed. This puts them in the same league with the Bandana Grandma.
If not, then they are left with three options:
1) they were bad parents
2) their child wasn't very bright, or
3) both of the above
None of which are very easy to admit. Much more comforting to let others spin her demise into a palatable myth.
Plus, since she was 23 (!),she wasn't a child, but an adult responsible for her own actions.

i noticed that 'civilian casualties' counter at the bottom of the page. there should be 2000+ american casualties if the counter started before 9/11.

also, a person who jumps in front of a bulldozer for arab politics can hardly be classified as an 'innocent civilian'. more like a speed bump.

#169 JulianneTheWise

Well, let's see. The entire Iraq adventure won't have helped the war on terror. Nor does pretending that Iraq was involved in 9/11. Nor does scaremongering about Sryia and Iran.

Jihad Merchant; colloquialism. You know - the world beyond your borders.

I read the newspapers like everyone else. If you think everything is going swimmingly, then that's one view.

The sentence structure of 'global military aggression' is fine. And accurate to boot.

Osama was fostered by GW's dad. You taking him out too?

Take a look at the history of terrorism, and you'll see that time after time, the parties in conflict reach some form of negotiated accomodation. The US isn't in any position to suppress terrorism globally through military force, despite all the hi-tech weaponry and superior capability. Just ask the Israelis, the British, the French, or the Russians. Terrorism is a weed that'll only die if you remove whatever injustice breeds it.

One of the links on that awful Rachel Corrie tribute page is to a canned lamentation from the NAAA-ADC to your Congressional Rep asking for support on "HConRes 111 About Rachel Corrie".

I noticed that you can delete the sad, misplaced "pro" message and insert your own well-informed comments. I asked my Rep not to have anything to do with this resolution, but it's Jim Clyburn (D-SC) so he's probably got a picture of Rachel Corrie hanging in his office already - but maybe someone else might enjoy using the NAAA-ADC (National Association of Arab-Americans (NAAA) and the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC).) website to send their message.

Follow this link and then type in your zip code to get to the message - fun stuff!

VFI, my role was joining the Army the day after Beirut!

For all practical purposes, the killing is going well, very well. For the record, we are the first military to defeat the Afghanis and Babylonians in modern times. Both wars took a matter of weeks. Our job is not to make these places nice, just to eliminate our enemies.

The jihadis are dying like flies whenever they face our girls and boys. These punks will be looking over their shoulders until the end of time! We are not looking for a panacea, we are seeking a cure with fire.

Don't worry about our supply of cruise missile, we'll make more and use them too!

VFI, you really exposed yourself. We are not toadies to the J-E-W-S some of us are Jews! We will never let scumbag racists get away with veiled threats to us or our friends.

#171 bohman27

So, it's the Palestinians now who killed all those people on 9/11?

I'm amazed at the flexibility of culpability in relation to 9/11. I could have sworn they were mostly a bunch of Saudis.

Well, let's see. The entire Iraq adventure won't have helped the war on terror. Nor does pretending that Iraq was involved in 9/11. Nor does scaremongering about Sryia and Iran.

Still haven't accounted for those random percentages, my friend. I could detail exactly how each of these things will help the war on terror, but since I'm sure you wouldn't listen, and I have class in a bit, I'm not going to.

Jihad Merchant; colloquialism. You know - the world beyond your borders.

Making sense, you know, the thing we crazy isolationist Americans try to do. You still haven't explained the phrase.

I read the newspapers like everyone else. If you think everything is going swimmingly, then that's one view.

Which newspapers, pray tell? Believe me, that can make a massive difference. And I bet you're ever so eager to leap on any supposed "American failure."

The sentence structure of 'global military aggression' is fine. And accurate to boot.

Diction doesn't mean "sentence structure" you flaming fool, syntax does. Diction means choice of words, and clearly, yours is absurd.

Osama was fostered by GW's dad. You taking him out too?

*sigh* yet another lefty soundbite. Look, if by fostered you mean we trained him to help us boot the Soviets, then yeah. But CLEARLY he was NOT an international terrorist at the time. That's like saying if you feed a dog, and it goes rabid and bites and bites your son, it's your own damn fault. Think for a minute, willya?

Take a look at the history of terrorism, and you'll see that time after time, the parties in conflict reach some form of negotiated accomodation. The US isn't in any position to suppress terrorism globally through military force, despite all the hi-tech weaponry and superior capability. Just ask the Israelis, the British, the French, or the Russians. Terrorism is a weed that'll only die if you remove whatever injustice breeds it.

Dance, dance, dance, watch as I dance around the issue like the blowhard I am.
All your vagueness is truly inspiring, but I'm still waiting for an answer to my question.

Oh, and I was SUGGESTING that we remove the injustice that breeds it--by getting rid of tyrannical governments. Or perhaps you were thinking of some other injustice...perpetrated by the evil, imperalist USA, I'm sure. And all part of a massive Zionist conspiracy.

#174 MB

For the record, we are the first military to defeat the Afghanis and Babylonians in modern times.

That's funny. I could have sworn that the British made about as much inroads in Afghanistan as the US have to date. Sitting in small pockets and having missiles lobbed at you on a regular basis doesn't seem terribly victorious to me.

And the Iranians had Iraq well and truely defeated, until the US started providing them with satellite reconnaissance and ensuring they had all they needed to turn the tide.

#128 PDM
Ewwwww! Warn a person, please! I was eating a donut hole...

VFI, we should call you "Irish Lies"...

The Afghanis are free to go whichever way they wish, unlike the British yoke, we are not colonizers. The Afhanis seem happy to have the Arabs out of power. The Taliban is defeated, and very few rational people would argue otherwise.

I never saw the Iranians marching in Baghdad, just lobbing SCUDS into residential areas. What great guys those Persians! Yes, we aided the killing of the Iranians. Good riddance to bad rubbish. We owed them one!

You are making a classic mistake, underestimating the US. This is not over, it is just getting started!

Take a look at the history of terrorism, and you'll see that time after time, the parties in conflict reach some form of negotiated accomodation.

Well gee, what a stunning observation.

Take a look at the history of war, and you'll see that time after time, the parties in reach some form of treaty ending the war.

So we could have prevented WW2 by handing German and Japanese diplomats surrendur documents, according to this sort of 'logic'.

If you had bothered to read history books OTHER than ones abridged for 'special' students like you, you would ALSO notice that in those cases where settlements take place, the agreement is not something either party would have agreed to at the beginning of the conflict. Sometimes the conflict is necessary before the peace can happen.

You also would have noticed that terrorist organizations can and have been destroyed or weakened to insignifigance, and that removal of state backing often is the key to doing so.

There was a major problem with communist-backed terrorists during the cold war. Oddly enough, most of them are gone now that the Soviets aren't bankrolling them. And the terrorists didn't get what they wanted... funny how that works.

Use your effing brain, you loon.

View from Ireland,

Let's look at appeasement ad absurdum. And let's assume it works. Say I believe it is unjust that I'm not part of the richest 1% of society. So I make a group with reaganite (since he knows bombs) and we blow up a trash can. Then we demand $10m. We get the money and then stop and live happily ever after. Other people see how easy it is - the fastest and simplest way to become a millionaire - so they try it too. Suddenly, there's no money left to pay for police, fire department, schools, or whatever. Understand the problem?

#172,

Take a look at the history of terrorism, and you'll see that time after time, the parties in conflict reach some form of negotiated accomodation.

I've shown you many examples where this isn't the case. To summarize positive examples where military solved problems:

Turkey-Ocalan/PKK
US-Al Q/Taliban
US-Branch Davidian
Egypt-Islamic Brotherhood
Jordan-PLO
UK-Mandatory Palestinian Arab terrorists
Phillipines-Abu Sayyaf (in progress)
Japan-Aum Shinrikyo

To summarize negative example where appeasement was attempted and led to no positive conclusion:

France-Algerian terrorist groups
Germany/France-Ricin and Al Q still found in their countries
Ireland-IRA (still inconclusive as threats to return to violence continue)

To summarize negative examples where a military solution may be possible but hasn't happened b/c of int'l pressure; instead negotiations have been attempted and failed:

India-various Pakistani groups
Israel-Hams/Jihad/PLO/Hizb'Allah

The only time a military solution has been attempted and failed has been:

Russia-Chechnya

And this has more to do with the lack of motivation (and pay) for the Russian military.

Terrorism is a weed that'll only die if you remove whatever injustice breeds it.

You'll make a lot of ppl very rich if you believe this.

# 93 Jheka:

You were correct. It was easy to subvert a troll site to send the proper message to one's congressman. Thank you. I stated, in part:

This woman was a supporter of terrorism. She died under an Israeli bulldozer using her body as cover for Palestinian terrorists. The picture of her, with her face twisted with rage and hatred, as she ripped up an American flag, the same one my father and uncles fought under, and for, in WWII, is a total disgrace. Any thought by you of supporting this measure, which I truly hope to God you do not as you represent an area of the world that had many casualties on 9/11 [Queens, NY], would be wrong. This woman deserves reprobation in a House Amendment, not a tip of the hat. She, and her ilk, are exactly what is wrong with this country: America-hating, self-loathing, and terrorist adoring. While she was free to travel to the Middle East, as Johnny Taliban went to Pakistan/Afghanistan, she died not as a heroine, but a coward. By her support of the PLO and their various terrorist offshoots, she was no better than a terrorist herself. To paraphrase General Sherman: The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist. I'm surprised she wasn't pictured in a fashion magazine wearing the trendy PLO Explosive Belt. Do not abstain but vote a forceful "No" on this proposal.

Israel has a right to survive, and to defend that right to survive. This is so even if it means showing the poor little Rachel Corries in the US what it means when a country is fighting for its very survival with barbarians, and idiots from around the word, right next door.

Wow Irish lies has gone off the deep end. I guess he was probably off already and its just that I've noticed it now. He suggested that Pres Bush #1 be taken out for something or other supporting Osama!?!?

Nutso

#172 - View From Oirland

Terrorism is a weed that'll only die if you remove whatever injustice breeds it.

So, the Brits are still in Ulster and yet ...

136 PDM. Awesome man. I love the Error message. Not THAT's something I would want on an T shirt!

Check out this link from the Chicago Tribune today:

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

The spin continues. I doubt a full length rebuttal of these "facts" would be allowed by the "editorial" board as they are equally "armed with principles."

I'm glad the little communist bitch is dead.

View of Ireland......let me get this straight.

Essentially you're saying that terrorism is invincible, and the only way to stop it is make them happy?

We have tried that, you know. Tell me.....the few deals that Arafat has ever made on the peace table and kept, do you happen to know the typical response from the Palestinians? They hate it.

Has this slowed down any of the terrorist acts? Not in the slightest.

So you are saying we need to give them more? Otherwise, because they're unstopable, they'll just kill and kill unless they get what they want?

I've got quite a few problems with this.

1. You're assuming that they're invincible. Similar tactics were used in Iraq to little success Saddam was PAYING Palestinian terrorist efforts (to the extent that he didn't pay any _Iraqis_ he promised to if they blew themselves up. The budget had been used.) We've stopped that. Funny, I thought you said an army would have little effect.

2. You are assuming that there is something besides total surrender than will make them happy. There has been no evidence of successful negotiatian. Look up "Hudaibiyah", especially Arafat's use of the term to justify his peace treaties. IE, treaties with non-Muslems don't count in the long run.

3. Look at their media. Al-Jazeera, Arabnews, etc. All you have to do is read it to see it constantly contradict itself. There is little concept of logical or professional consistency. And this is the stuff they prepare themselves, with the expectation that the West will read it! (IE, not Western "translation.")
This is their "legitimate" stuff. Why do you honestly expect the terrorists themselves to have any more regard for being truthful?

julius the kat #183,

Actually, even with the most generous interpretation, it's hard to understand how VFI cannot understand that Bush 41 and his government are not in power in the US. Even if we assume that Bush 41 supported Osama knowing that he would become a terrorist, it is clear that Bush 41 is not in power in the US any more. It is equally clear that Baby Assad still is, despite support for Hizb'Allah. Arafat, despite Al Aqsa. etc.

Ariel

Right. But we should TALK to them so we can uncover the ROOT CAUSE because surely we deserve at least some of the blame (if not all of it). /sarcasm

Did you see the news on the white powder found in Wash. state on CNN. initial tests point to plauge, or botulinium or something. I wonder what the root cause of that is, road rage?

#136 PDM

Like the material. Definite T-shirt stuff there.

#146 VFI

the artcle says 3 went off only the 4th foiled

101 Uses For a Squished Hippie Chick

1. Clean those hard-to-reach areas under the refrigerator coils

2. Bobsled for the 2006 Iraqi Winter Olympics Team

3. Inflatable jail cell doll for Johnny Walker Lindh

4. Tissue dispenser for Arafat

5. Driver seat cover for New York cab

6. With caster wheels, a dandy creeper-crawler for the garage

7. Simple-yet-elegant tablecloth for Shaker table

8. Wheel chocks for SUV

9. Gym decoration for Evergreen State College spring prom (Theme: 'Enchantment Under The Treads")

Add your own.

VFI is a liar and someone who engages in half-truths. What I find most upsetting about his/her stance is how typically Irish it really is. (Yup, I'm Irish too). The Irish are rather like know-it-all super cool teenage boys who pose and preen with their Chomsky books and alternative music, lecture their parents about being "sell-outs", yet, at the same time, live in comfort and security provided by the blood and sweat of others.

Ireland, despite American popular myth, has never been an ally of the US. Oh, sure, they mouth the platitudes and have portraits of JFK handy for any occasion, but, when push comes to shove, they are not at our side. They didn't fight with us in WWI (disclaimer: many brave Irishmen did, however), they didn't fight with us in WWII. In fact, Ireland's president was the *only* head of state in the entire world who sent condolences to the German embassy upon the news of Hitler's death in 1945. They didn't fight with us in the Cold War and they are *not* a member of NATO.

Nope, it's much, much easier to accept the security NATO and the US provides without actually doing anything about it. That is why the Irish are so pro-EU as well. It allows their government transfer payments in the millions of euros, much more than they contribute.

So, don't be surprised at VFI's attitude. It's anti-everything America does yet, at the same time, has no constructive solution itself. What the hell does Ireland care? It's craven "neutrality" means it won't be targeted. (Actually, it means it will be targeted last, but no matter).

Let's look at what VFI said in response to my post about Ireland:

"No-one is blowing each other up here. The Omagh bombing was in 1998, and that was one of the last gasps of a tiny group with precious little support."

-- This is an outright lie. While the Omagh atrocity was the last "spectacular" as the hard men call it, terrorist activity is a day-to-day reality for thousands of Irish men and women. Anyone who doubts this, please log into [Link: www.ireland.com...] and go to the Irish Times or [Link: www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk...] for a few days and you'll see that I'm right on that point.

"Army patrols have been reduced down to mainly troubled 'interface' points in the North. In general their presense is far less noticable than ever before. I noticed more troopers in New York last time I was there."

-- While there is less of an army presence in Ireland than in the past, they are there, as I said. VFI tries to slide past this by saying their presence is "far less noticable," but that isn't the same as saying they're not there, is it? VFI also ignores the fact that reinforced police stations, watchtowers, and video cameras still dot the countryside. If his/her country is so much more morally advanced than us "shoot first, ask questions later" Americans, how come VFI's country is the one with medieval fortresses and soldiers in the streets?

"NI is gradually being 'normalised', and as you know damn well, the south hasn't been noticably effected by events in the north for a long time. Irish army patrols with large cash transfers are about 'ordinary' criminal activity these days. The banks don't want them to stop, and they're probably right."

-- Another VFI admission. My point was that soldiers have to escort armoured cars all over Ireland, in huge truckloads, not a good sign for a society's overall health. Again, VFI doesn't deny this, just states that "banks don't want them to stop". VFI says that they're to protect cash transfers from "ordinary criminal activity" That is a lie. They are to prevent military assaults from one of the many armed paramilitaries in Ireland from robbing the cars. If they needed ordinary protection, they would be protected by the Gardai.

The point here is that VFI is awfully sanctimonious and self-righteous, yet in his/her own country terrorists have entire neighborhoods in fear, the state's law does not reach those neighborhoods, the army patrols the street and has to convoy with armoured cars for normal commerce to take place, etc. etc.

VFI pleads for understanding of the world, yet accepts every stupid anti-American cliche out there, all while never uttering any European self-criticism.

In other words, VFI, like his/her country, is a model modern European.

BTW, who stopped the latest European death camps in Srebrenica. Irish guys from Cork? Or "stupid" Americans from Des Moines? And if it wasn't the Irish, VFI, WHY WASN'T IT?

#182 Rick Z:

Outstanding e-mail. Queens? I grew up in Rego Park, 3 blocks from Queens Blvd. What part of Queens are you in?

I just read through 180 messages and I think I'm having trouble following what's going on here. Is this it:

There was a girl in a bird suit who got run over by a bulldozer and someone is calling for a investigation. But who? Kentucky Fried Chicken? International House of Pancakes? How does someone get run over deliberately by a bulldozer anyways? Was it souped up? Did this person not have the chance to get out of the way?

Then there's this guy from Ireland who is ranting about how superior life is in Ireland to that in the U.S. Its like the line from West Side story, when the Puerto Rican says "I think I'll go back to San Juan. Every one there will give big cheer." and his girl responds "Everyone there will have moved here." If life is so great there, why are there so many Irish Americans and so few American Irish.

Then he suggests talking to the bad guys instead of punishing them. So let's see does he mean that if this guy driving the bulldozer actually ran over the girl in the chicken suit on purpose and with the intent to kill her that we should talk to him and find out why he did it. Perhaps he is scared of people in bird suits. And then we would compromise and send him on a vacation to Washington to meet with the parents of the girl in the birdsuit so they feel better. So what problem does KFC have with all this?

I signed their letter to Bush, "good work Bush!" Think they'll be mad? lol

# 195 Jheka:

Live in Jackson Heights. In NYC for 23 years now, originally Navy brat from Naw-fuk, VA. Watched 9/11 on 5th @ 17th. Still gets me when I look downtown and see . . . nothing. The bastards!

Aside: Had to explain to someone that LGF was not a NY Jets fan site!

#93, #173

Thanks, I just sent off my e-mails opposing the Corrie tribute ("my" congresswoman Echoo co-sponsored this
drivel), and supported the Pipes nomination. Their website made it easy, and it was quite satisfying to delete their cant and substitute some sense.

#18

Okay I will try...

He is innocent. I mean they have basically the same evidence that they had in the OJ Simpson trial and OJ wasn't convicted. Some of the DNA evidence in the OJ trial had like a 1 out of 6 billion match and if they have the same "odds" in the Peterson case, then I don't think Scott Peterson will be convicted either.

I mean, at least with OJ, they had a head to go with the body where they don't have a head with the Peterson killing.

If Jonny Cochran is his lawyer, then I think he walks...

/sarcasm off/

#198 Rick Z:

"Had to explain to someone that LGF was not a NY Jets fan site!"

It's not? What the hell am I doing here, then??

J-E-T-S
Jets, Jets, Jets!!!

I actually had the opposite trip from you. Grew up in NYC (after emigrating from Russia) and went to Charlottesville, VA for college. Now I'm in Idiotarianville (San Francisco) and I have to watch Jets games in Oakland while making fun of Raider fans (if we ever win a game I may be in trouble).

Actually, there's a great burger joint some miles north of here that is entirely devoted, floor to ceiling, to the Jets. Go figure.

Thanks for continuing to return to this story. No one else is covering it. Every time I find myself wondering what's happening with Evergreen State's most deluded alumna, up pops an undate on LGF. Kudos!

The Arabic for pigeon is Hamam, which is close enough to Hamas

And Hamam is the Turkish word for "bathhouse".

re: 181 Ariel

richest 1% of society

Hey! First: isn't that "richest 1%™", and second: isn't that Ranbutan's schtick?

Grognard #204,

#1: Yup
#2: Yup, his schtick. Just my way of poking a little fun at him.

re: 73 anne

Will there ever be websites,tributes,and congressional investiagations for Abigial levital,Koby Mandell,Yehuda Shoham or all the other American and Israeli American children brutally murdered ...

Good idea. We can add their names to those of Ibtisam Mohammad Hamzeh, Ahmad Abu Aziz, Salhiyeh Eid, and Christine Sa'ada and dedicate the site to all the children sacrificed to establish and maintain the status quo in the MoP.

VFI: "Terrorism is a weed that'll only die if you remove whatever injustice breeds it."

As a Master Gardener, I'm qualified to speak about weeds. Weeds die through cultural practices, like ripping the bastards out of the ground and trashing the remains; herbicides - used sparingly; and maintaining your lawn / garden with healthy desired growth. You've made a great analogy, but drawn the wrong conclusion. Just as weeds are tough to control, terrorism in general will probably never die, so removal of "injustice" is as useless as asking the wind to stop spreading dandelions. After all, the injustice that the US perpetrated against bin Laden is our very existence, and that is NOT removable.

BTW, you said you lived in Huntsville. Please tell me more.

I have a question:

How does one become as hate filled and stupid as you people who make fun of Rachel Corrie's death? Are you so stupid to believe, as it appears that all Palestinians are Muslim? Is your ignorance the result of no education, or just bad education? Did any of you go to college? Do you harbor the view that it is better to be stupid than educated?

Cheeses of Nazareth #208,

I have a question:

For someone about to go on about education, your usage of "a question" rather than "questions" is, ummm... questionable.

How does one become as hate filled and stupid as you people who make fun of Rachel Corrie's death?

I don't think anyone is making fun of her death. She died supporting terrorism. I wouldn't support that, would you?

Are you so stupid to believe, as it appears that all Palestinians are Muslim?

No, but most are. And the remaining Christian 'palestinians' are having an increasingly hard time being part of 'palestinian' society.

Is your ignorance the result of no education, or just bad education?

An Ivy League education, direct firsthand experience, and a lot of voluntary reading. What's your ignorance the result of, terrorist brainwashing?

Did any of you go to college?

Yes. Did you?

Do you harbor the view that it is better to be stupid than educated?

No. Do you?

Two new oxymorons:

1) Muslim sensibilities, and

2) The martyr Rachel Corrie.

# 208:

I was taught charity begins at home. Aren't there citizens in this country who could use her help and support right here, maybe even on the "left" coast? Rather than do something as mundane as that, this solicitous bimbo tried to acquire her bona fides by travelling to a part of the world where Palis commit homocide bombings with casual regularity and Israelis strive to prevent those same homocide bombings from happening. She picked her bulldo-, er, horse, and she lost. The military personnel who just gave to Iraq a gift they could not, or would not, give themselves are the heros. They knew they could die doing what needed to be done, i.e., the right thing. RC could not think that far ahead and did what did not need to be done, i.e., a stupid thing. You lie down with dogs like Arafat, and you may get put down, literally and for real.

BTW, When the Towers fell, I did not see any Christians/Jews/Hindus/Buddhists/Taoists/Zoroastri ans/etc. dancing deliriously in the streets, passing out candy in celebration, happily shooting guns in the air, or screaming in delight. That anathema is reserved for Palis and other Islamofascists.

The Bush World Tour: Two arenas down, many more to play.

209
lol

The Chicago Tribune op-ed is authored by Ali Abunimah, co-founder of electronicIntifada.com

I would truly love to fisk this, (letter to the editor?) but don't no where to start. I can always cancel the subscription

#208

Admit it. Rachel Corrie is a classic "comic" character. She was a person who equated peace and peaceful intentions with terrorism and terrorists. She went to Israel to act as a thorn in the side of authority because she felt safe there. She wouldn't have thought about doing the same thing in Iraq, Iran or North Korea where there is real suffering because she would have disappeared the day after their arrival. The Israelis weren't going to hurt her so no problem with standing up to the man. [When activists go to totalitarian countries its always on the side of the government (e.g., human shield). They are misguided but not dumb.]

Then as if by divine intervention, she gets run over by a bulldozer. Its like the house falling on the Wicked Witch of the West, which was meant to be amusing. I mean who gets run over by a bulldozer doing 10 miles an hour.

Then because getting run over by a bulldozer is such a stupid thing to have happen to you, her parents and friends have to try to come up with something to prevent her from being perceived as the numbnuts she was. The bulldozer driver backed it up on her intentionally. Can't you just picture this guy flooring the bulldozer from 5 mph to 10 mph to hit her. The fact is that it was unintentional. Rachel Corrie had done this before and she knew that the bulldozer guys dont run over the human shields. That is why she didn't move out of the way.

Compare Rachel to Ms Lynch our recaptured GI. Ms. Lynch truly freed oppressed people. Rachel was protecting tunnels used to move guns. Her promoters want you to believe that she was the equivalent of Ms. Lynch, fighting for the oppresed. But she wasn't. She w just a person that liked to dress up as a bird.

#85, VFI,

You obviously know very little about Iranian politics. There has been no "moderating" of the power of the mullahs or the Council of Guardians. All legislation passed by the Majlis must be checked against Islamic law by the Council of Guardians and if it conflicts with Islamic law it is thrown out.

Even as we speak, the mullahs are cracking down (yet again) on "moderate" publications, Iranian bloggers and other "moderate" Iranian instititions.

Many of the Iranian pro-democracy forces are completely frustrated with Khatami and others think he is not a true moderate at all, simply the "good cop" side of the IRI to counterbalance the "bad cop" of Khamanei.

You should try reading a few of the Iranian ex-pat sites, Iranian bloggers and Iranian political message boards.

Ireland must have become some sort of fantasyland if that is the View from Ireland.

Yes, yes the rest of the world can moan and bitch about American hegemony, but what are you gonna do about it? Nothing. We'll live peacefully with everyone, but if you want to kill Americans, we don't care what your reasons are, we'll make sure to kill you first.

America will do whatever necessary to protect Americans and serve American interests, rest of the world be damned. Who's gonna stop us?

I have an universal response to the Left, self-righteous Euro-weenies, Arab Street, etc... who bitch about the U.S. of A.: Yeah, so what?

#165 Andjam

Afganistan is littered with the JEWS. All two of them.

To people who hate JEWS, one Jew is too much. Most people haven't figured out why the WTC was attacked yet. I have heard the correct answer once in my life - even considering from 1993 til now. I will not mention the reaon now.

Other attacks that day where Pentagon, and an attempted one on the White House.

We know very well hardly (none?) any Jews are there compared to WTC, but it was an attack on UNITED STATES. If they wanted to show the world it was against Jews, they'd fly the planes to Tel-Aviv or into a Synagoge. Now do terrorists know Jews work at the WTC? It's a pretty big building, of course they knew some of the people are Jews. But more than this being a killing two birds with one stone attack (USA + Jews), it's based on the lie that Jews control the United States. Terrorists probably believe that. We know leftists state that they are sure of it.

There were also muslims that worked in the WTC. Any appologies for that? No? And wanna know the terrorist justification for not even saying sorry for killing their own? ... Because they weren't their own, they (Muslims of the WTC) were American.

Interesting how Christians who hate Jews support people like Osama. Osama hates all non-muslims, he hates both Christians and Jews. He will not cry for your death either.

Ariel #209
I have a question:

You are a funny guy...here are some punchlines for your jokes.

"She died supporting terrorism."

No, She died trying to block an Israeli bulldozer from demolishing a Palestinian house. Israelis seem to enjoy knocking down the houses of Palestinian Civilians even when they know no terrorists are inside, even when they know that civilians are inside.

"And the remaining Christian 'palestinians' are having an increasingly hard time being part of 'palestinian' society."

Do you mean Yassir Arafat's wife?

"An Ivy League education, direct firsthand experience, and a lot of voluntary reading. What's your ignorance the result of, terrorist brainwashing?"

That's Great. I went to Columbia myself. Can't say that I have ever been brainwashed, I guess my ignorance is the result of common sense and taking the moral high ground

No. Do you [harbor the view that it is better to be stupid than educated]?

Then why do you practice the view?

# 217
First, why the play on Jesus' name? Too afraid to try a pun on he-who-must-not-be-named?

Isn't/wasn't Arafat's "wife" living in Paris?

Cheesehead wrote:

She died trying to block an Israeli bulldozer from demolishing a Palestinian house. Israelis seem to enjoy knocking down the houses of Palestinian Civilians even when they know no terrorists are inside, even when they know that civilians are inside.

There's a word for what you just said.

That word is:

BULLSHIT.

Rachel Corrie did NOT DIE DEFENDING ANYONE'S HOUSE. The bulldozer that she jumped in front of was clearing brush. CLEARING BRUSH. Brush that was hiding smugglers' tunnels, used to smuggle drugs, prostitutes, weapons, and terrorists into Rafah from Egypt.

The rest of your babbling is just the typical anti-Semite's parroting of terrorist propaganda.

#207 Jay

I didn't say I worked in Huntsville. I've worked in NYC and SF, but travelled a reasonable amount through the states, including Huntsville.

I've no problem with hunting down al Queda. They're not concerned with specific and resolvable issues as such, so dialogue probably wouldn't help there. Moving the air force out of Saudi would obviously be a sensible move though, since Iraq is just as useful, and it isn't as contentious as Saudi for Islam in general. Pretty much every other terrorist group have sprung from geographic/political/regional disputes however, and there's much scope for negotiation there. The various pro-palestine terror groups would have much of their mandate removed if a negotiated settlement was reached in relation to a palestinian state.

Congratulations Rachel! You finally got fucked!