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The Corrie Canonization Continues

Sun, May 4, 2003 at 10:48:11 am PDT

Aarrrggghhh. It just never stops.

Here’s yet another shameful, dishonest attempt to canonize terrorist supporter Rachel Corrie by Rekha Basu, in the Des Moines Register: The bold, tragic, and too-brief journey of Rachel Corrie.

While most of us wring our hands at the endless cycle of repression and terror and retaliation in the Middle East, with its expansions and demolitions and suicide bombers and flares of anti-Semitic hatred, Rachel Corrie tried to do something.

This is true. She tried to stop an IDF bulldozer from clearing brush that concealed tunnels used for smuggling drugs, prostitutes, weapons, and terrorists from Egypt into the disputed territories.

Rachel Corrie grew up far from want, war or deprivation, in Olympia, Wash., where she danced, drew, sang, acted, wrote poems, raised pets and nurtured an irrepressible drive to make the world right. Her parents were hardly radicals. Both grew up in Iowa (her mother in Denison) and attended Drake. Her father is an insurance actuary. Yet, as early as age 11, Rachel stared into a video camera and said, "We have got to understand that people in Third World countries think and care and smile and cry just like us."

Excuse me while I stage my own personal vomit-in. So we’re supposed to believe that Saint Rachel developed this astounding social conscience by the age of 11, with absolutely no influence from her parents? Perhaps she was hearing voices, like Joan of Arc?

She made the mistaken assumption that, as an American, she had protection. In a letter home in January, she wrote: "You just can't imagine it unless you see it - and then you are always well aware that your experience of it is not at all the reality: what with the difficulties the Israeli Army would face if they shot an unarmed U.S. citizen . . . ."

In other words, she arrogantly believed her US citizenship and white skin conferred invulnerability upon her saintly corpus?

News reports and her grandmother say she was wearing a bright orange jacket and talking to the bulldozer driver through a bullhorn before he plowed her down. Israeli officials called it "a regrettable accident" and said the driver didn't see her. No charges were filed against him. But Doris Corrie says the driver is looking Rachel in the eye in a photo taken right before. "He ran over her and backed out and went back over her again," she said, "and never got out or said anything."

Blatant, ugly Palestinian propaganda, repeated for the Nth time. Rachel Corrie died under a pile of gravel and dirt. The driver never saw her. And the bulldozer did not run over her even once, much less twice. If this had happened, her body would have been unrecognizable as a human being; the photos taken that day show her quite intact, and even able to speak.

It's certainly safer to do nothing. To not be looking when soldiers shoot at unarmed civilians or tanks rumble over innocent people's homes. To not speak out when bombs fall on places where people live and shop.

The standard litany of the terror apologist, once again. Of course, Basu can’t muster up a single word about the reason for these military actions: Palestinian Arab terrorism that deliberately targets little girls crossing the street with their grandmothers, babies sleeping in their cribs, and musicians playing in a blues band in Tel Aviv. Instead Basu disgorges the standard rants about unarmed civilians and innocent people; “innocent people” who overwhelmingly support the murderous actions of the killers hiding in their midst.

In a picture her grandmother showed me this week, Rachel as a blond 13-year-old stands by a Polk Boulevard flower patch smiling, in a polka-dotted skirt. It was taken outside the Des Moines home where Doris Corrie raised Rachel's father, and still lives - a long way from where Rachel was killed in Israeli-occupied Gaza on March 16, while trying to stop a bulldozer from demolishing a Palestinian doctor's home.

And that photo of a blond, smiling 13-year old Rachel Corrie was light years away from this:

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1 WarMongeringInfidel  Sun, May 4, 2003 8:51:44am

Charles, last time you posted that witch, I printed it out, taped it to my bulls eye and unloaded a few magazines at that piece of trash. I though it was finally over, but now this...

Oh well, I understand your reasons.

2 James  Sun, May 4, 2003 8:52:56am

Oh, she danced! And drew!

I bet a lot of the children whom her terrorist pals murdered also danced and drew back when they were alive.

3 mommydoc  Sun, May 4, 2003 8:55:39am

Will the bitch never die?

4 Deathberg  Sun, May 4, 2003 8:55:41am

How 'bout we all get together at Rachel's grave and stage a vomit-in on it.

5 Bildo  Sun, May 4, 2003 8:58:33am

When will the mainstream media do an expose' on the "Evil Side of Rachel?"
(Scare quotes are mine)

Instead they will continue to praise this queen bitch.

Does anybody have another example of this, where the media turns an anti-american traitor into some kind of hero?

6 Deathberg  Sun, May 4, 2003 8:59:15am

#5 - the Dixie Chicks?

7 Jeff S.  Sun, May 4, 2003 9:00:18am

This woman's posthumous career rivals that of Tupac Shakur and Raoul Julia. Who's her agent??

8 Paladin  Sun, May 4, 2003 9:00:34am

I have much too much respect for my own vomit than to waste it on such trash.
She was much more a Ma Barker than a Joan of Arc.

9 Bildo  Sun, May 4, 2003 9:06:09am

#6 Deathberg:

Ok, but neither them, nor their carreers are dead, and while I think they've received a great deal of sympathy, I don't think they've been turned into saints by the media.

Is there a situation that more closely resembles St Rachel?

10 Anon  Sun, May 4, 2003 9:07:56am

Look at it this way, most people in America don't give a care about her. The ones that do already hate everything that America stands for. And we'll never change their minds (as if they used them).

the real tragedy is people like this consort with terrorists and homicidal bombers and feel that they are on the side of angels.

They sicken me, and they deserve nothing but contempt and ridicule.

And if they take active part in supporting crimes, they deserve to be shot.

11 Photios  Sun, May 4, 2003 9:10:41am

mommydoc #3, Deathberg #4

I'm thinking to offer her a tribute by buying a fine bottle of wine and pouring it on her grave, after filtering it through my kidneys.

Eschew obfuscation,
Photi

12 Charles Johnson is my lovechild  Sun, May 4, 2003 9:13:02am

Charles - Everytime I open up LGF's, and the newest blog is titled something about Corrie, it always brings a smile to my face to know that that picture will conclude the blog.

Loving it.

13 Laurence Simon  Sun, May 4, 2003 9:18:16am

I wrote the author of that laughable article at rbasu@dmreg.com

Does the company provide you with the whitewash you use in your article, or do you have to buy it on your own and expense it later?

I then sent her the URL of my READY.PS poster.

14 Kirk  Sun, May 4, 2003 9:20:38am

Ste Corrie she isn't. She was a useful idiot for the paleostine thugs. The way she died may have been fitting in that she was bowled over and covered up in a manner much like what she wanted to have happen to Israel.

She gets no sympathy from this corner.

15 George  Sun, May 4, 2003 9:26:07am

"While most of us wring our hands at the endless cycle of repression and terror and retaliation in the Middle East, with its expansions and demolitions and suicide bombers and flares of anti-Semitic hatred, Rachel Corrie tried to do something."

I quoted this back to Ms. Basu with a copy of flagburning Rachel

I used to wonder whether reporters were just stupid or if the slanted the news on purpose. I don't wonder about that anymore. It's both.

16 Deathberg  Sun, May 4, 2003 9:27:10am

Before three years ago, I never would have thought that I was capable of laughing at the death of another human being. But since then, everything has changed. The Intifada has turned me into a bitter, morbid paranoiac. Thanks, arabs.

17 veebee  Sun, May 4, 2003 9:27:58am

What's Des Moines Register anyway? Is it something along the lines of Berkeley Daily Planet (imperialistic name, no?) A local paper that doesn't offer movie times?

A couple of days ago, though, I was forwarded an email through the Berkeley anthrograd list urging students to join Global Exchange and Think Pink (I have no idea who the later group is) in Iraq this summer and built grass-root conncetions with Iraqi people. Apparently, they are going to offer participants some sort of non-violence training. Why?

18 Paul  Sun, May 4, 2003 9:29:54am

Unfortunately, the propaganda barrage is going to continue. I'd wager the ISM has a hired full time hack to churn out Rachel Corrie bullshit. Of course there are hundreds of "useful idiots" in the media who will eat it up.

Keep posting that picture Charles. Eventually, the truth will prevail.

19 inadeepsleep  Sun, May 4, 2003 9:30:33am

I think Charles is obsessed with Rachel Corrie. But what the heck, I've got too much time on my hands:

Young Rachel played chicken with a 'dozer,
And Her orgasmic fury has froze her
Forever in one breath,
As a lover of death,
So death it leapt up and chose her.

20 NC  Sun, May 4, 2003 9:48:51am

The matryr-ization of Corrie continues in the latest New York Observer.

21 wordwarp  Sun, May 4, 2003 9:52:21am

Charles,

Why don't you send a hard copy of your post to the Des Moines Register as a (very long) letter to the editor?

Such an intrusion into dead-tree media should happen more in the blogosphere. Most people in the country are not even aware of the existence of blogs, or the concept of fisking. I can remember literally yelling at articles in the paper back before there was a mechanism such as you've created.

Otherwise, this article on Corrie, and others, will probably go unanswered, the journalist probably held unaccountable for his bias, and the public definitely kept in the dark.

Change that.

22 Aaron the Mad  Sun, May 4, 2003 9:56:40am

I know the perfect way to cannonize lunatics like Rachel Corrie.

23 Insufficiently Sensitive  Sun, May 4, 2003 10:05:29am

The ISM, and other 'internationals', have rather a holier-than-thou approach to their chosen colonies. Like the British journalist who walked into a firefight waving a white flag and claiming immunity (from the real world?), they still think that posing as sahibs gives them the credentials to lecture the natives (with bullhorns!) and expect obedience.

Naturally, they (like Gandhi) are cynically cashing in on the fact that the Brits in India, and the IDF now, were/are both civilized societies with actual laws and accountability, and are sensitive to public opinion - unlike the oh-so-misunderstood gentlemen who strap on bombs to murder civilians. They use this vulnerability (and a cooperative media, which eagerly broadcasts slanders generated by ISM or the Palis) against Israel because they suffer no consequences - except in the case of accidents like Corrie's - and they can wield some considerable unelected political power.

Which leads to a question: isn't it about time that someone earned a PhD by doing a serious investigation into the finances and intentions of these secretive NGOs who claim to be so humanitarian, but seem to benefit the thugs more often than the democracies?

24 Q  Sun, May 4, 2003 10:08:46am

NC (#20):

"Jews for a second Holocaust".

25 PDM  Sun, May 4, 2003 10:09:39am

#22 Aaron the Mad ,

Thanks. Packed and ready to fire.

26 Debbie  Sun, May 4, 2003 10:11:15am

The author could probably claim ignorance since he cited "news reports" (which may or may not have printed retractions of their incorrect facts) and her grandmother (never argue with a bubbe), clearly an authoritative source...I'm sure the Israeli government doesn't want to draw more attention to this incident (considering how rachel corrie has become a poster child for peacemaker, not a word I'd use) but I think there has to be a case for libel (this oft repeated error that Rachel Corrie was carrying a bullhorn before her death. Interesting syllogism (actually it's contrived propaganda for a sensational news report)...rachel corrie once carried a bullhorn (as seen in this photo), id est, she must have been carrying a bullhorn before her death. That the author gives scare treatment to the israeli side is his prerogative, however irresponsible. But that she tripped is nowhere mentioned.This ommission combined with the repetition of her carrying a bullhorn, I believe, are libelous. But as I said earlier, the Israeli government likely doesn't want this publicized further and perhaps legally the author of this article can claim he was only repeating other news reports, with no libelous intent.

27 RC neo-Jew  Sun, May 4, 2003 10:13:10am

When she is canonised, there will be 'moving statues' of St Rachel the Flat (known to her admirers as the Squashed Saint). They will consist of a plaster figure of St Rachel, with halo, holding hand up to stop a plaster figure of a bulldozer. Guess which bit will move.

28 mommydoc  Sun, May 4, 2003 10:15:53am

Photios and PDM--Why I love you two. Sighhhhhh.......why are the good ones always taken?

29 Q  Sun, May 4, 2003 10:20:36am

mommmydoc(#28):

Sighhhhhh.......why are the good ones always taken?

Not all the good ones... ;-)

30 WJA  Sun, May 4, 2003 10:23:46am


Is there a good news link from a reputed source which firmly establishes with no ambiguity that the area Corrie was protecting at the time was, in fact, a haven for terrorist smuggling tunnels? As I recall, LGF posted only one link from some source that didn't seem very solid, to me.

I have no doubt Corrie is, at minimum, grotesquely naive, and at worst, a terrorist sympathizer. But if there is going to be a mainstream story which does establish the latter, I think we need better grounding, to make that claim. Yes, it turns out ISM was harboring a wanted member of Islamic Jihad, but that doesn't necessarily indict Corrie, who was already dead by then, and it's not clear to me ISM even knew he was jihadi at the time. And yes, she did post something defending armed resistance in the disputed territories, but so far, nothing's come out about her supporting suicide bombers, that I've seen at least.

Seriously, where's the one-two punch Corrie story?

31 el gato bill  Sun, May 4, 2003 10:28:59am

What bothers me is the fact that when she decided she would travel to Israel and act as a "human sheild" there were no dissenters around to smack the shit out of her and say, "You're an idiot." I mentioned to my friends that I wanted to take a drunken trip to Key West at 2am last night, and wa-la, I was called an idiot. This twit must've mentioned to her friends what she intended and yet they couldn't have argued too ardently to stop her, but probably said something akin to "Bravo." I blame the fuck-os she associated with as much as her.

32 rabidfox  Sun, May 4, 2003 10:31:20am

Yea Gods! She gets uglier every time that picture is posted. I LIKE the LGF cannonization process.

33 Moe Katz  Sun, May 4, 2003 10:31:51am

#30:
Yes, it turns out ISM was harboring a wanted member of Islamic Jihad, but that doesn't necessarily indict Corrie, who was already dead by then, and it's not clear to me ISM even knew he was jihadi at the time.

If they were hiding the guy from the IDF what do you suppose they might have been thinking? That he was wanted for selling moldy pitas?

34 WarMongeringInfidel  Sun, May 4, 2003 10:34:11am

Now that we left Germany and they are free to try global domination once again, does any one have any ideas how we get them to turn their fury on Muslims instard of Jews. After all, they have even less blond eyes and blue hair then the Jews right? Fsck, these people make me mad.

35 Dozerman  Sun, May 4, 2003 10:35:01am

What do you expect? This child was raised with the same brainwashing techniques the Pals use on their children. Both the Pals and Corrie rejected that the world is round (that's why the Pals keep throwing stones) and now Corrie has taken her rightful place in the Flat World Society.

Excuse me while I fart.

Vroom Vroom, I feel the 'cat is firing up!

36 Brenda  Sun, May 4, 2003 10:42:12am

We recall dhimmi-dupe Rachel Corrie
In Gaza for human shield glory;
But her outlook turned flat
When a 'dozer went splat
And now she's the left's favorite sob story.

37 badanov  Sun, May 4, 2003 10:42:32am

I am working today but when I get home I will take a leak in Rachel Corrie's honor.

38 Gustavia  Sun, May 4, 2003 10:43:16am

Rekha Basu is getting a lot of copies of the flag-burner today.

39 someone  Sun, May 4, 2003 10:45:48am

Let's not forget Corrie's ISM friends.

40 Frank IMC  Sun, May 4, 2003 10:46:35am

Proof that Billy Joel was wrong.

41 Susan  Sun, May 4, 2003 10:59:06am

Can we all just forget about this creep? Jeeze, how many times is Charles gonna force us to look at her twisted up, hate-filled skanky mug?

42 Brenda  Sun, May 4, 2003 11:04:18am

OT -

Fareed Zakaria is discussing Democracy, Whiskey, Sexy on c-span2 now -- really! He did cite that phrase.

Actually, he is talking up his new book.

Watch online here...

[Link: www.c-span.org...]

43 reaganite  Sun, May 4, 2003 11:05:25am

#41 Susan
Until that hag is no longer useful to the Palis. Someone has to keep the truth about her going.

44 Deathberg  Sun, May 4, 2003 11:07:01am

#34,

There seem to be two coherent schools of thought amongst white supremacists re: the middle east. The first is "Israelis know how to deal with Arabs" and the second is "Palestinians know how to deal with Jews". However, the second school of thought is more widespread than the first by about five-to-one.

45 Yehudit  Sun, May 4, 2003 11:08:49am
ambiguity that the area Corrie was protecting at the time was, in fact, a haven for terrorist smuggling tunnels? As I recall, LGF posted only one link from some source that didn't seem very solid, to me.

Source is the IDF, from this article.

Captain Jacob Dallal of the Israeli army sits down with me in the large West Jerusalem building that houses the government press office. . . . To begin with, he says, Dr. Samir's house was never under threat of demolition. Although the spot where Rachel was killed is extremely close to Dr. Samir's home, and although bulldozer tracks from that day seem to be headed in the direction of Dr. Samir's back wall, Captain Dallal says, "This was not an operation to demolish houses."

On the day that Rachel Corrie died, the army was using its giant American-made armored bulldozers to search for explosives that might have been planted in the buffer zone by Palestinians, according to Captain Dallal. It was not demolishing homes. (Since the beginning of the second intifada more than 700 homes have been demolished by the Israeli army in Gaza, according to the Palestine Red Crescent Society, the Palestinian equivalent of the Red Cross.) The protesters following the bulldozers were warned to stay away, and the army believed most were complying. "We did not know this woman was in the area," Captain Dallal says.

46 israeliguy  Sun, May 4, 2003 11:08:51am

I published it orignaly at my blog , but I'll repost it...

Whenever Rachel Corrie went down town,
The people on the pavement looked at her:
She was an idiot from sole to crown,
Jew-Hating scumbag to be sure.


And she has always violently protested,
And she was always burning flags as she talked;
But still she fluttered pulses when she said,
"Kill Jews" and she glittered when she walked.


And she was rich - yes, richer than a king -
A spoiled white trash girl in all her grace.
In fine we thought that she was everything
To make us thank we weren't in her place.


So on we worked, and waited for the light,
And went without the meat, and cursed the bread;
And Rachel Corrie, one calm summer night,
Went home and put a DOZER through her head.


It's a parody on "Richard Cory".

47 Susan  Sun, May 4, 2003 11:15:04am

Reaganite, I guess it's a worthy effort, but when The Left (TM) wants to canonize someone, it's virtually impossible to reverse the process.

They're still talking up embezzler-murderer-convicted extortionist Winnie Mandela as "The Mother of a Nation".

Blehhh.

48 Moe Katz  Sun, May 4, 2003 11:18:33am

#47 Susan

In the case of Rachel Corrie, what was particularly galling was that you could see it coming from the moment it happened--the sickening, maddening inevitability that she would be canonized as a martyr, regardless of the facts ...

49 Yehudit  Sun, May 4, 2003 11:21:39am

BTW here is the Rachel Corrie publicity page, with all sorts of goodies, including:

a statement by Saddam dupe Congressman Jim McDermott.

50 hun ordained rabbi  Sun, May 4, 2003 11:25:17am

Way out in Pacific Northwest
kids are taught not to think like the rest:
"when you see big-ass tread
don't step back but instead
jump in front-and please,
put on this vest."

51 reaganite  Sun, May 4, 2003 11:25:23am

#47 Susan
It's not the LLL that Charles is really trying to change. He's trying insure they don't grow in number. Many people have only heard what the liberal press has reported. Showing that evil bitch for what she truly is helps educate some people.

52 Yehudit  Sun, May 4, 2003 11:29:36am

What they are trying to do politically:

Congressman Brian Baird introduced a resolution in the House to investigate her death.

Campaign in support of Baird's resolution.
Ditto from American Arab Anti-discrimination Committee.

53 Shiek Abdulla Mohammed Abu Rachman Al-PDM  Sun, May 4, 2003 11:34:09am

#28 mommydoc,

I would take you as one of my wives.

Photios and PDM

Ah, but I see you just want me as part of your harem. And, you offer neither oil wells, camels, nor tents!

#29 Q,

Watch it. Mommydoc may make a mensch out of you (and that could be fun).

---------------------------------------

I sure hope Rachel Corrie wasn't a virgin. Imagine the jihadi dreams of having one of his 72 being a virgin and a martyr.
Oh no, I just realized this has the potential for disaster. What if Hamas starts promising 72 Rachel Corries.

54 Colt  Sun, May 4, 2003 11:37:46am

mommydoc (#3)

Will the bitch never die?

Remember the hypocratic oath... :-)

55 Susan  Sun, May 4, 2003 11:40:11am

#51 reaganite,

Yeah, I know. I get so pessimistic sometimes.

Yesterday I had a long conversation with my sister who listens to nothing but NPR. Somehow the coversation turned to Iran, and she kept going on about how the Shah of Iran "massacred thousands of people."

When I told her that the mullahs killed 30 times the number of people as the Shah (I follow Iranian politics with some Persian nationalist friends of mine), she refused to believe me. The Left (TM) refuses to believe that the mullahs were worse than the Shah, because of course then they'd have to take responsibility for all those anti-Shah rallies they marched in in the late 70s. And we all know how much The Left(TM) just LOVES to take responsibility for its actions, don't we? (NOT!)

The lies of The Left (TM) are just so deeply ingrained into our culture. Sometimes I just think, what the fuck, why fight it? They control all the media, all the "arts", and almost all of the educational establishments.

56 inadeepsleep  Sun, May 4, 2003 11:44:07am

#36 Brenda and
#50 hun ordained rabbi

Ok, just as long as you acknowledge I was the first with a really stupid limerick in this thread.

57 Susan  Sun, May 4, 2003 11:44:10am

#49 Yehudit,

I spent as much time on that site as I could stand it. But the Corrie family's April 20 press release urging people to "stand up for peace" (i.e. stand up for the Palestinians to win the war), made me lose it.

These days, I've got a rather short patience when it comes to the hypocritical moral pieties of The Left (TM).

58 reaganite  Sun, May 4, 2003 11:49:11am

#55 Susan
I know how you feel, my sister is exactly the same way as yours. I am always baffled how people on the left when confronted by hard fact respond by placing their fingers in their ears and chant "I can't hear you, I can't hear you" instead of just learning something new.

59 Brenda  Sun, May 4, 2003 11:56:09am

#56

Yep, you obviously had the FIRST limerick. But curiously I wrote mine before I opened up the thread. And I haven't even had my daily Bushmill's. Go figure.

60 someone  Sun, May 4, 2003 11:58:55am

Susan (#55): You could try getting your sister this book; it seems to me pretty much tailor-made to make lefties understand just what the hell's going on over in Iran.

61 Charles  Sun, May 4, 2003 11:59:58am

The haters at Indymedia have now posted a photograph of me at their site:

[Link: www.indymedia.org...]

To any lawyers out there: can I take legal action against them for this? This is clearly intended to be a threat.

62 Kirk  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:03:12pm

Here is the saint instruction manual:

How to be just like Rachael

63 JohninLondon  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:03:36pm

#49

Yehudit.

It is clear from the link you posted to the Rachel Corrie Memorial Page that there is quite an industry building up to canonise her. Dozens and dozens of links from that site - many of them overtly anti-Israel.

It needs some TV documentary maker to take her myth apart, expose her for what she was. A sanctimonious fraud.

(I don't suppose Michael Moore would volunteer ?)

64 Glen Wishard  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:04:57pm

#49 - Yehudit

McDermott's "official" statement is interestingly brief. At her memorial service he was a little more verbose, claiming that Rachel Corrie was "in the tradition of Mahatma Gandhi and Dr. Martin Luther King."

65 Caton  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:10:30pm

#61 Charles

That photo comes from this site and is yours. You can start with copyright infringement.

66 Deathberg  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:13:37pm

Woohoo! I have been quoted by NaziMedia. Now I can die a happy man.

67 Brenda  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:14:03pm

#61

Charles, I hope you own a handgun and know how to use it. Also, a shotgun is a fine weapon that makes a very distinctive cocking sound, generally enough to make a perp turn and run. You can't miss, either.

68 el gato bill  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:14:25pm

Charles,

Wow ... I always thought perceptions on this site were a little exaggerated when it came to the Indymedia site and other left websites. But "ZIONIST SUPREMACIST"? That's just fucking creepy that people think like that.

69 Deathberg  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:17:02pm

Notice that the author of this article calls itself "Tam D.", which is probably a reference to the anti-zionist and anti-semitic British MP Tam Dalywell.

70 Caton  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:19:27pm

#69 Deathberg

It doesn't matter. The editor, i.e. in this case the registered owner of the website, is responsible and will have to pay a nice chunk of money for copyright infringement. Then, that money can be invested in slander and libel actions...

71 el gato bill  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:24:07pm

I don't think he can be sued for that if this an open public forum, can he? No threats were actually mentioned but the title is excessive. This could be seen as just someone's opinion, albeit strange and somewhat, well, just fucking strange.

72 Midnight Creeper  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:25:02pm

I've seen geese spew less crap than Rekha Basu. Susan Sontag...barf. Sontag seeks to distort history. Right is wrong, wrong is right. Evil is saintly, honesty is evil. Doing that same old communist dance.

There is no hope whatsoever for the Sontags of this world. They've never met a martyr for the commies and/or totalitarians that they didn't love. To them, it is always the USA, and Israel that are evil.

I feel better now.

73 Caton  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:30:26pm

#71 el gato bill 5/4/2003 02:24PM PST

I don't think he can be sued for that if this an open public forum, can he?

If it was not an open public forum, they couldn't be sued for copyright infringement. They didn't ask permission before publishing that photo, did they?

74 David  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:33:10pm

Well, uh, what about all the pics Charles posts on his blog? I assume most of them are from AP, Yahoo, Retuers ... did he get permission to post them?

75 israeliguy  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:34:31pm

I feel insulted. i went through all that trouble of writing a poem-parody on rachel corrie and nazimedia doesn't even mention me.
The HORROR.

76 Charles  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:34:56pm

No, they didn't ask for permission. I've used their contact form to tell them to remove it immediately (and I was not polite about it); it has been removed from the front page but it's still visible on the "article" page.

77 Caton  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:36:01pm

#74 David

Did you notice how there's always a link to the site publishing the photo?

78 Caton  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:36:38pm

#76 Charles

Sue their ass. Now. Don't tell me you couldn't use the money...

79 el gato bill  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:36:39pm

Caton,

hmmm... that could be true

#74

Journalistic photos are public domain, no permission needed to use them. It's done by almost every newspaper in the country. Private photos on a website... I have no clue.

80 zulubaby  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:39:32pm

I didn't think Indymedia could get any lower, but somehow they've managed. I need time to recover from this. I am flabbergasted.

81 Caton  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:41:12pm

#79 el gato bill

Journalistic photos are public domain, no permission needed to use them. It's done by almost every newspaper in the country. Private photos on a website... I have no clue.

Wrong. Journalistic photos are copyrighted, permission is needed to use them as well as actually paying for the privilege. Linking to them, however, is not reprinting. Do you think Charles would bother linking to the original article if the photos were public domain?

82 israeliguy  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:41:33pm

A few notes. I'm not a lawyer, but i had problems with copyrighted materials once so here's how it works.
Any page that says (c) all rights reserved on its bottom cannot be republished without permission.
Now, the tricky part is, as it was published in nazimedia UK, you would have a hard time suing them internationaly.

83 zulubaby  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:41:46pm

David (#74)

Fuck off back to Islam Online.

84 Caton  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:42:48pm

#80 zulubaby

I didn't think Indymedia could get any lower, but somehow they've managed. I need time to recover from this. I am flabbergasted.

I don't get it. Here's an opportunity to get around 10,000 bucks for using the photo and another hundred grands in damages, and you people don't like it.

85 el gato bill  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:43:25pm

#81

good point :) perhaps then creditlines are what are at issue here then?

86 Caton  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:44:20pm

#82 israeliguy

FYI, by default, if it doesn't say "public domain", any work is copyrighted. You don't need the © at the bottom.

87 reaganite  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:45:15pm

#83 zulubaby
Damn woman, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!

88 Caton  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:47:29pm

#82 israeliguy

...forgot to add that UK courts are a lot more expensive for copyright infringement. :-)

89 zulubaby  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:48:44pm

reaganite (#87)

Show me but one example of where I have held back ;-)

90 reaganite  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:49:59pm

#89 zulubaby
You were nice to WMI last night! :-)~~

91 Sean the Neo Jew  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:52:49pm

..and that's how this Catholic became a Jew...

When did calling someone a Jew become a part of the left-wing insult lexicon? I don't have a date but it's happened. The Dems can kiss off the liberal Jewish vote if they keep this up.

Nice hair Charles.

92 Colt  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:53:27pm
I don't get it. Here's an opportunity to get around 10,000 bucks for using the photo and another hundred grands in damages, and you people don't like it.

Pragmatism at its best!

I know a British barrister who would love to stick it to a bunch of leftist bellends.

93 Charles  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:56:13pm

I've had it with creeps like David, who uses Islam Online as his URL. He's banned from posting here.

I'm not in a good mood right now. I think I need a drink. Too bad it's only 3:00.

What time is it in England?

94 zulubaby  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:57:33pm

reaganite (#90)

He was loaded. It's better to back away slowly from someone in that condition :-P

95 Colt  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:58:06pm

Charles

22:57

Eight hours ahead of you folks

96 reaganite  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:58:41pm

#93 Charles
Never drink before noon, BTW, it's 6pm here in DC!

97 Sean the Neo Jew  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:58:53pm

11:00 pm

98 zulubaby  Sun, May 4, 2003 12:59:22pm

Charles, let's all drink. It's got to be sunset somewhere.

99 reaganite  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:00:04pm

#94 zulubaby

He was loaded. It's better to back away slowly from someone in that condition :-P

Nothing to see here, move along...

100 Kirk  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:00:24pm

As a non-Jew I would take it as a compliment that someone referred to me as a Jew, after all they are the chosen of God and you don't mess around with the children of God without inviting disaster on your head.

101 Colt  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:01:52pm

zulubaby

let's all drink

Don't tempt me...!

102 Charles  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:01:55pm

Colt: if you're serious about that barrister, please ask him if I have a case. And if so, please ask him to contact me.

By the way, they've now posted a defaced version of my photo with a cute little Hitler mustache.

103 Infidel  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:02:20pm

Charles, they are all cowards. Watch your back. Is there any chance of getting a Conceal Carry Permit in California? I doubt it, but it might be worth looking into.

104 Infidel  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:04:35pm

Its high noon here on the Islands. But in Puna we have other recourses besides drink, he, he, he.

105 Colt  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:05:20pm

Charles

I'll look in to it.

He doesn't specialise in copyright law, but he knows people who do. I'll get on it.

106 reaganite  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:06:22pm

#98 zulubaby
Buuuurp, okay.
Homer Simpson said it best. Mmmmm, Beeeer!

107 Brenda  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:08:39pm

If you can't drink at 3 pm Sunday afternoon, when CAN you drink?

Here, I'll join you.

108 Caton  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:13:56pm

OK, I'll join, too, but note it's solidarity only that makes me do it. I don't want trouble.

109 Brenda  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:14:53pm

My drinking buddies in the San Francisco Police Department inform me that carrying a gun is a misdemeanor, and I believe that is state law. Therefore, often worth the risk.

110 Colt  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:16:04pm

I can't get the picture Charles posted on the Nazimedia site, just the white square with a red cross.

111 Colt  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:17:04pm

That's very very strange. Click on any link on that thread and you're redirected to the Hebrew IDF site.

112 Caton  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:19:17pm

#111 Colt

That's very very strange. Click on any link on that thread and you're redirected to the Hebrew IDF site.

I found it very funny, too. Nice work, Charles.

113 zulubaby  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:19:23pm

Brenda,

You sound like you'd be a blast to hang out with :-)

114 el gato bill  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:20:27pm

I just skimmed through Indymedia's website for the first time. The fear and loathing is upon me! I think those guys truly want to help people who are downtrodden, but they have no loyalty to anyone. Every issue contains people who are suffering on both sides of a conflict, but the political nature of that site is astoundingly antagonistic against almost every nation on earth save a few arab nations. They want "free democratic press against coporate media" in free countries, yet no mention of state run television in arab countries are ever mentioned. The fact that "jew" and "zionist" are used as insults on that site may be a tell tale sign of what type of people created and read that site.

115 zulubaby  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:23:29pm

el gato bill (#114)

Every issue contains people who are suffering on both sides of a conflict...

Except the Jews of course.

116 Charles  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:23:58pm

Colt wrote:

That's very very strange. Click on any link on that thread and you're redirected to the Hebrew IDF site.

Really? How odd! How truly odd! I can't imagine how that could have happened.

117 Caton  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:26:05pm

#116 Charles

Hmmm. I have a pretty good idea, but I won't tell.

They deleted the moustache, Charles. Guess they decided one legal action was enough.

118 Caton  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:28:56pm

#117

Wrong, it's up again. Damn.

119 zulubaby  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:29:54pm

When I click on the link Charles originally posted the pictures still come up for me, including the one with the moustache.

120 el gato bill  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:30:55pm

#115

that's sadly true for that site, but I was speaking in general terms that no matter what issue one brings up, there are two sides that are suffering and although that sucks, you have to choose a side sometimes (it's called loyalty, adults sometimes practice it :)); it's obvious which side they have chosen to me. But they don't come out and say it, which is disturbing.

121 Brenda  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:35:35pm

#113

Thanks, ZB. I do enjoy hanging out at the social club, er, bar where I have been a happy participant for a dozen years. Old San Francisco lives on in some little outposts around the city.

BTW, my cop pals were the ones who finally convinced me to get a shotgun. I was like, "Hey, I spackled and painted those walls."

But it's good to feel that extra degree of safety when there are so many crazies out and about.

122 Susan  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:41:41pm

#120 el gato,

They don't want to admit it because they don't want to admit that they are ant-Semitic Nazi-fascists. In their mind they stand for everything that is good and right and true in the world, plus puppies and bunnies and rainbows and baby whales. They can't stand to face the fact that the stuff they repeat is almost word-for-word what Joseph Goebbels was writing 60 years ago.

123 el gato bill  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:52:24pm

#122

It was just weird for me to see it. I truly think that some people who are involved with Indymedia believe they are doing good things for humanitarian purposes, but they don't realize they're doing it for only one side. The side that targets pubs and busses and call it defense. I always thought defending a nation involved destroying a countries ability to make war by striking military targets. I must be mistaken, defense involves terrifying the civilian populations of your opponent by killing their wives and children so you can get what you want. ? (smart ass? too much?)

124 someone  Sun, May 4, 2003 1:57:20pm

bill the cat (#123): I believe the Indymedia nuts tend to overlap rather extensively with the "street demonstration" anarchist fringe.

125 el gato bill  Sun, May 4, 2003 2:11:01pm

#124

It seems that way doesn't it. I must admit I think some of the postings here are sometimes off-hilter (a little devoid of compassion, if you will), BUT there is a huge emotional issue usually involved. I laughed at the part in "Little Nicky?" (I think that's the name) when hitler's sentence was to get a pineapple shoved up his ass in hell, becuase I know he was an evil bastard. Some people feel the same way about rachel corrie, because she protected (maybe she didn't know ... no excuse, when involved with something that serious you should know EVERY angle) those that have killed their own people. This should be realized I think.

126 zulubaby  Sun, May 4, 2003 2:11:02pm

Charles, did you really post that picture of "last LGF user meeting"!?

127 PDM  Sun, May 4, 2003 2:12:19pm

#117 Caton, (and Charles)

It looks like the altered photo still shows up.
I saved the full page to disc already. It includes the original photo of Charles, the altered photo of Charles, and the pic of KKK with the LGF logo on it.

Charles, I'm sure you saved it too, but if not, I have it for you.

128 Charles  Sun, May 4, 2003 2:20:37pm

zulubaby: of course not.

129 RC neo-Jew  Sun, May 4, 2003 2:21:34pm

#91 Sean the Neo Jew

Same here. The easiest way to become a Jew is by Declaration of an Antisemite - not a real Jew, I know, but even the mildest words in defence of Israel gives us a taste of their insane prejudice. They are mad and scary and, as far as they are concerned, we are Jews.

Perhaps Charles should disguise himself - change of hairstyle? Grow moustache? Not grow moustache? (Depending on whether the picture currently has a moustache or not). Try not to look angelically up to heaven too much, or you will be instantly recognised!

130 Charles  Sun, May 4, 2003 2:22:51pm

Thanks PDM, I've saved it too.

131 Charles  Sun, May 4, 2003 2:23:39pm

PS -- PDM, please hang onto that. It may become necessary for corroboration.

132 zulubaby  Sun, May 4, 2003 2:25:18pm

Charles, they used your logo too. You saw it obviously. (and the poster used your name).

133 a patriot  Sun, May 4, 2003 2:28:02pm

why so much vindictive for this jeanne d'arc,
truly you should fear not this pale maid, unless you suffer some sense of collective guilt.

134 el gato bill  Sun, May 4, 2003 2:35:34pm

#133

LOL... she's just not well liked. It's an example of humanitarinism gone horribly wrong.

135 Caton  Sun, May 4, 2003 2:37:29pm

#128 Charles

Could be fun, though... reaganite, can you loan us a few Barrets and M16A1/M203 for the photo?

136 PDM  Sun, May 4, 2003 2:38:45pm

Charles,

You got it. I have it here, time stamped, archived, and whenever you need it.
It's not going anywhere. I'll keep an eye open for any updates on their page and save those to their own separate directory too.

137 reaganite  Sun, May 4, 2003 2:39:07pm

#135 Caton
Barrets and GUU-5/Ps, maybe a few M-9s thrown in good enough?

138 mommydoc  Sun, May 4, 2003 2:44:35pm

Missed all the fun while I was out brunching and buying.

Charles, no question the nazimidiots are totally over the line. OTOH, I had no idea you were so attractive! ;-)

And, special to Q: I was under the distinct impression you were taken. Where could I have gotten that idea? Besides, you're not good--you're deliciously baaaaad, no?

PDM--LOL!

139 Caton  Sun, May 4, 2003 2:44:38pm

#137 reaganite

Should do.

A photo with 10 LGFers armed to the teeth would be nice on Shittymedia, don't you think?

140 Yossarian  Sun, May 4, 2003 2:46:38pm

I don't see the Hitler mustache--did they take it down, or move it to another part of the site?

141 reaganite  Sun, May 4, 2003 2:55:03pm

#139 Caton!

A photo with 10 LGFers armed to the teeth would be nice on Shittymedia, don't you think?


For that, I'd throw in a whole bunch of C-4 also, high explosives gooood!

142 Dark Avenger  Sun, May 4, 2003 2:56:47pm

We don't fear her, we make fun of her, and know that her death accomplished nothing.

143 Caton  Sun, May 4, 2003 3:01:20pm

#141 reaganite

I'm sure zulubaby would be hot with a GUU-5.

Huh, I mean, hotter.

144 Photios  Sun, May 4, 2003 3:13:17pm

Charles, #93

1. Damn, you are a handsome devil.

2. The drinking rule is - not before noon, so you're good.

3. As I was included in the Indymedia quotes as the same time as we were all being called Jews (wow!), does that make me a Jew. Obviously not, but I like the think that I am spiritually. They really know how to be effective with the insults, don't they?

4. And yes, I know I'm late to the party again.

145 reaganite  Sun, May 4, 2003 3:13:30pm

#143 Caton
No comment....;-)

146 reaganite  Sun, May 4, 2003 3:15:41pm

#144 Photios
You bubble heads are excused, too many blue and gold cruises. Anyway, it's always noon somewhere!

147 Q  Sun, May 4, 2003 3:16:29pm

mommydoc (#138):

I was under the distinct impression you were taken.

Well, ahem... that would depend on what your definitons of "were" were...

148 reaganite  Sun, May 4, 2003 3:17:07pm

That was meant for "being late to the party"!

149 zulubaby  Sun, May 4, 2003 3:24:12pm

Caton (#143)

LOL! Bring it on. (Where's my champagne by the way?)

150 Black_Flag  Sun, May 4, 2003 3:25:55pm

hell, I can provide for the picture of "ten armed to the teeth", (and for the trolls, all of it legal you islamonazi fucks) What a bunch of clowns why is it that everyone who doesnt agree with islam is a zionist?

And if rachel was so fucking generous why didnt she take up the matel of equality for the American Indian? Becuase she was a misguided media whore, thats why.

Good fucking riddance.

And Charles, the photoshopped mustache looked kinda good on you, at least they couldve included a goatee.

151 Caton  Sun, May 4, 2003 3:33:57pm

#149 zulubaby

(still in the fridge waiting for you).

Seriously, if you want me to send you a couple of bottles, you must send me your address.

152 Photios  Sun, May 4, 2003 3:35:05pm

reaganite #146, #148

Also, you know what they say (whoever they are);

Beer, it's not just for breakfast anymore.

153 zulubaby  Sun, May 4, 2003 3:35:48pm

Caton (#151)

You're a sweetheart :-) Better yet, I'll come visit you in Israel and I'll bring the strawberries.

154 reaganite  Sun, May 4, 2003 3:38:25pm

#152 Photios

Beer, it's not just for breakfast anymore.

Where's the damn Corn Flakes?

155 cba  Sun, May 4, 2003 3:43:27pm

Does anyone understand Jaggi Singh's post (the last one at the moment)? If so, please explain it to me, I'm totally baffled.

156 zulubaby  Sun, May 4, 2003 3:47:24pm

cba (#155)

Jaggi Singh is a piece of human garbage. Feel free to ignore him.

157 cba  Sun, May 4, 2003 3:50:08pm

zb, the reason I ask is because my first reaction was that he was supporting Charles, so I assume I'm totally missing the point he's trying to make. I'm just curious--I hate it when I don't understand.

158 gymnast  Sun, May 4, 2003 3:51:58pm

Rachel Correy ,oh so gorry, how does your garden grow? Why with a burning flag, a black covered hag and fertilizer oh so Po Mo.

159 Teacake  Sun, May 4, 2003 4:09:37pm

I think I get it now... INDY is code for neo-nazi. They can pretend to have respectability.

160 Kirk  Sun, May 4, 2003 4:55:24pm

CBA:

Jaggi Singh? The references to Adam Shapiro and his wife concern a Jewish man marrying a Palistinian woman and his support of Arafat. The worms reference refers to the fact that Rachael is now worm food.

I push the limits of acceptability but Jaggi often kicks the limits of acceptability in the teeth. Zulubaby is right you are better off ignoring him.

161 tomcat  Sun, May 4, 2003 6:01:52pm

they had a beautiful service today for Laci Peterson and it attended by hundred of thousands (incl cable tv as shown on nbc and fox.) what a wonderful smile person she must have been.

162 Imalib Eraldouche Bagg  Sun, May 4, 2003 6:25:36pm

" It's refreshing to see all these young idealists from ISM trying to make a difference and give peace a chance. The cycle of violence must be broken. Can't we all just get along? "

Posted Friday by Imalib Eraldouche Bagg


"While most of us wring our hands at the endless cycle of repression and terror and retaliation in the Middle East, with its expansions and demolitions and suicide bombers and flares of anti-Semitic hatred, Rachel Corrie tried to do something."

Some other Liberal Douchebag quoted above

Some things are just beyond parody...

163 mommydoc  Sun, May 4, 2003 6:48:28pm

tomcat--funny, I watched the second half of the service here on local tv and was also struck by the incredible contrast.

Laci didn't try to solve world hunger, nor did she presume to know how to bring the entire world to peace; she just did the best she could to be a delight to those around her and make their lives happier. That's a life lost we should all mourn, and obviously many do. I hope justice is served, but her loss, and that of her unborn son, will clearly always leave a gaping hole in those who knew her.

Rachel Corrie? Best forgotten. I see very little to mourn. Where Laci Rocha Peterson was filled with love and brightness, Rachel Corrie was filed with misplaced anger and hatred.

If the world was full of Laci Petersons, we might actually have world peace. If the world was full of Rachel Corries, we'd only have strife and misery.

164 Kimberly  Mon, May 5, 2003 2:59:19am

Whoa, Mommydoc (#163) - I'm impressed at the way you made the Laci Peterson story relevant here. I hadn't thought about it before - but now that you mention it, in every photo I've ever seen of her, she was smiling. A big, beautiful, bright smile. So unlike Ms. Corrie and her scream of self-hatred. Proof positive that beauty comes from within.

Oh, and I don't have the stomach to click over to the IdiotMedia site. It's only 7:55 am and I just finished eating breakfast. I read LGF every morning while I eat my cereal, but some days the insanity is too much for me. I wish Charles the best of luck in dealing with these fools - and I'm so glad he's got people like you watching his back.

165 Robert Brandtjen  Mon, May 5, 2003 5:26:09am

Many of those on the Left, lacking a belief system tied to a higher being, are more then happy to "deify" those they deem to be martyrs to the cause.

Case in point: here in Minnesota, the same people sporting the "No War" and "Not in my Name" bumper stickers, all had another one (buttons as well-

"WWWD?" - What Would Welstone DO?

A play on the "WWJD?" (What Would Jesus DO?) buttons and wrist bands. There is a clear effort here to "deify" Wellstone. Though no one can tell you exactly what good he accomplished in his lifetime (this was a professor who made his students "protest" in favor of his pet causes, or face a "D" grade) other then spewing large amounts of hyperbole, they now insist every thing he did or touched was a sacred cause for the "little people".

166 Royce Dunbar  Mon, May 5, 2003 6:57:04am

You beat me to the punch!!!

I am a Des Moines resident who has been taking on the Des Moines Register (and in particular Rekha Basu) on my blog An Iowa Libertarian for the past few months. I have had the pleasure of "Fisking" her op-ed pieces on the War and other issues. I was going to take this one on. No need now, outstanding job!

Ms Basu is a droning, inarticulate and often incoherant Socialist/Transnational Progressivist who believes herself the enlightener of the great unwashed here in the American heartland. She fits well into the rest of the editorial staff of the Register, which I have described as a “Community Theatre version of the New York Times.

If you want a real laugh, check out her piece from April 27th in which she compares the liberation of Iraq with a bad housesitting experience...

167 nigel-bigel  Mon, May 5, 2003 10:57:06am

What did Raul Julia do? I did a web search, and only could get info about his films.

Please don't tell me he was yet another brain-dead actor. I really liked him, too.


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