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Steyn Fired from NatPost

Wed, May 14, 2003 at 1:33:04 pm PDT

What?! The National Post’s new editor has fired Mark Steyn. (Hat tip: Glenn Reynolds.)

This is sure to go down as one of the dumbest decisions in journalistic history, along with the New York Times’ hiring of Jayson Blair.

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1 bull  Wed, May 14, 2003 11:36:29am

bad move. Steyn can write. He is also funny, insightful and interesting. Shouldn't newspapers want that in a commentator?

2 Robert Crawford  Wed, May 14, 2003 11:37:59am

It's more stifling of dissent in Ashcroft's America!

3 NC  Wed, May 14, 2003 11:38:31am

National Review needs to pick him up, ASAP. Can you imagine VDH and Steyn on the same page?

4 not amused  Wed, May 14, 2003 11:41:01am

Mark Steyn was the only reason I ever went to the National Post.

No point in going there now.

But I will follow Steyn wherever he goes...

5 RC  Wed, May 14, 2003 11:41:11am

#3 NC

I second that idea. National Review with those two really cover all aspects of our world.


RV

6 Kylaer  Wed, May 14, 2003 11:45:14am

I have both Steyn and VDH in my local paper (the Richmond Times-Dispatch of Virginia) but Steyn only appears on Sundays (only day when editorials get a whole section, rather than being wedged in the back of the main news section), and VDH's pieces are only shown sporadically.

Still, I'm better off than most, even though I do have to put up with the bile-spewing of Molly Ivins.

7 Colt  Wed, May 14, 2003 11:46:00am

I bet you anything it took longer for Canada to eject Hizb'Allah than for the National Post to fire Mark Steyn.

Not that Canada have actually ejected Hizb'Allah.

8 HoosierBuff  Wed, May 14, 2003 11:46:10am

Steyn Rules

His Bush twins column was epic.

/I sound like a jim rome fan. . . .

9 GL  Wed, May 14, 2003 11:47:50am

#2
I'm confused. Isn't National Post Canadian? Wow, that Ashcroft sure can stifle dissent if he can affect hirings and firings in another country.

10 trevalyan  Wed, May 14, 2003 11:48:14am

WTF?!?!?!

Thank you very fucking much, Izzy. You bought the paper just to get everyone cool fired?

And Kingwell still works there. There is no God.

11 BAM  Wed, May 14, 2003 11:48:15am

First David Frum quits and now they fire Steyn. Concider my subscription cancelled.

12 Colt  Wed, May 14, 2003 11:49:33am
Wow, that Ashcroft sure can stifle dissent if he can affect hirings and firings in another country.

Only via the Jewish cabals.

13 Wild Justice  Wed, May 14, 2003 11:56:58am

VDH told me last week (I love how I can say that now that I've met him!) that he reads Mark Steyn.

14 Jim Bob  Wed, May 14, 2003 11:57:30am

I, for one, am absolutely delighted that the National Post chose to fire Mark Steyn. Their website took forever to load using my dial-up connection. Longer than LGF!

15 zach_attack  Wed, May 14, 2003 11:58:57am

#6 Kylaer - I had no idea the times-dispatch had anything worthwhile in it. I sort of just assumed that the paper was a rag...maybe it's time to consider a subscription.

16 Laurence Simon  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:01:02pm

Canada's 2002 Census shows that there are now more Muslims than Jews in Canada due to a huge immigration wave from Arabic countries.

I think the Steyn firing is a marketing move aimed at courting these potential new subscribers, or at least shedding him so he doesn't discourage them from reading by his presence.

17 The Law Student  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:04:00pm

When I was at school in Toronto (York University) Mark Steyn was the only breath of fresh opinion air all week (I had no internet in those days). You have to understand how signifigant it is that he was published in Canada! I mean they literally give out The Toronto Star (to get a taste of what it is like see thestar.com) for free and there are some communist brethren stuffing their papers in your face outside Vari Hall. That Mark Steyn was published at all in Canada was incredible. Cry, the beloved country.

18 Ariel  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:04:00pm

Too bad about Steyn. Love his columns and there really isn't much I'd read from North of the Border any more.

Maybe he'll have more time to read LGF though, on the plus side? Perhaps even comment in this thread?

19 Lickmuffin  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:05:43pm

Damn it all to hell. Bucha fucking morons.

I live near Toronto so I see the hard copies of the Toronto dailies all the time -- usually lining my cats' litter pans. But the National Post was always last into the pan -- I guess you could say it was on top.

The leader in circulation is The Toronto Star. They are Canada's White Guilt Paper. They are what you read when you're a yuppy with an SUV and a condo on the lakefront and you want to feel connected and involved in the social issues of the day -- but you don't want to get your hands dirty. There's a huge freakin' market for that sort of stance in Canada.

I try not to get upset at the garbage put forth by The Star's editorial group or its communists -- er... columnists. There is absolutely no way they seriously believe what they are publishing. They can't possibly be for real.

For example: the Star is anti-private property, anti-private transportation (anti-car), horribly pro-socialist, anti-consumer, and so on. And yet... every Saturday, there are HUGE "New In Homes" and "Condo Living" sections in the paper. Almost always a double-section "Wheels" supplement. And gobs of advertising from the upper-upscale shopping districts from all the major Canadian cities (both of them).

They play Socialist, but they are just doing it to move ad space.

To compete with this, the Globe and Mail -- once Canada's traditional right-leaning paper -- has had several make-overs in recent years. The make-overs have extended from fonts and layout to editorial policy and commentary. The carry Naomi Klein, fer chrissakes. When I first saw her in the pages of The Globe and Mail, two thoughts came to mind:

* they're competing with the Star for the guilt franchise, and

* damn, but she sure has the "cross-eyed insanity of fervent belief" look down pat.

I was hoping that the National Post would stand out and challenge these two lefty wusses, but I guess not. I suspect that it's going for the gusto -- or perhaps the gutless -- and it's going to try to grab a share of The Star's market.

I'm not sure if this says more about the nature of the press in Canada or if it says more about our urban middle- and upper-middle- middle-class population. I think there is room in this country for three "national" papers -- I just don't think there is room in this country for a paper with independent thought.

It looks like we're going to have to rely on The Toronto Sun to be our conservative paper. If it weren't for all of the fly-by-night it-fell-off-a-truck-yesterday audio/video equipment ads in that paper, I would read it more often. Perhaps.

Humph.

20 Jay Currie  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:07:36pm

The gutting of the National Post is a national shame. Thank God for the Internet.

Mark was one of the only reasons anyone read the Post. Losing him and David Frum will simply ensure the Post goes down all the quicker.

21 DL  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:07:42pm

Kylaer #6
Consider yourself blessed to see the likes of VDH and Steyn in your local newspaper.

A few months ago, our allegedly conservative daily (Wisconsin State Journal) picked up Lileks for Sundays
and liberal Madisonians have been sending anti-Lileks letters to the editor. Lilek's humorous anti-idiotarian columns are a shock to their system.

His column is placed directly next to MoDo's, each is on the other side of the fold so that when the paper is flat, their photos are face to face. (Sorry Lileks if you're reading this!)

22 Canadian Bacon  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:12:25pm

#14 Jim Bob

I, for one, am absolutely delighted that the National Post chose to fire Mark Steyn. Their website took forever to load using my dial-up connection. Longer than LGF!

Good one!! Since the Aspers took over from Conrad Black, the Post has been dropping faster than an Iraqi Repubican Guard Division. I stopped subscribing shortly after they took over, and only log on to the website to read Steyn and Scott Feschuk ([Link: www.nationalpost.com...] I guess Scott's next.

Izzy Asper's a Liberal hack from way back, and Gawd, does it show!!

23 trevalyan  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:12:27pm

Izzy firing Steyn to attract MUSLIM support is so implausible it barely borders on coherent. There aren't many Jews OR Muslims up here. And considering nearly every Muslim organization considers the National Post the most BIASED of all the papers in Canada, Izzy isn't getting Arab referrals anytime soon...

(sigh) Stupid people.

24 Former_journalist  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:12:50pm

To #6 - Kylaer:

I'm from Texas ... and let me tell you, as a former reporter and editor, I am ashamed Molly Ivins is from Texas.

I have never heard such an incoherent babble of liberal rubbish as the garbage she pitches in her columns. Now, if the Austin-American Statesman or the San Antonio Express-News would just replace her with Steyn ...

Yeah, I know. Fat chance.

25 Professor Kaos  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:16:31pm

Steyn is such an excellent writer that he will never be on the unemployment line. Its not as if his columns arent already available from several sources.

26 Mar  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:17:46pm

Too bad. I didn't always agree with Mark but he is a great writer and funny as hell.

I first heard about LGF in one of his articles.

27 Colt  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:18:09pm

Mark writes for seven different publications (counting the Telegraph and Sunday Telegraph as different papers). I wonder how much this hurts earnings.

What do these guys make anyways?

28 Ariel  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:19:40pm

Who is Izzy Asper? Someone on Steyn's website commented that they thought that NatPost was going to become the right-leaning version of the G&M - is Izzy Asper one of the major owners of Bell Canada (owners, last I checked, of the largest portion of the G&M)?

29 Glen Wishard  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:20:05pm

I've been reading Mark Steyn since he was Culture Editor of the America Spectator. We'll all go on reading Mark Steyn (all over the world) while the National Post turns into the obscure, foundering tax write-off that it apparently aspires to be.

The Post was beneath Frum and Steyn, anyway. It's not even a blog, f'r Crissakes.

30 David Simon  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:22:10pm

This is not unexpected. Steyn has been publicly blasting the Post; most recently in an Enter Stage Right interview. I Expect The Spectator to follow suit real soon.

31 Kevin  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:22:21pm

I'm not at all sure he's been fired. That is speculation coming from comments he's made on his web site.

Since Ken Whyte got fired at the Post there has been a comment saying Mark Steyn's column will return in the space where his column usually is. It's much more likely he is protesting than it is that the Post has fired him.

It is very possible, even likely, that he is having a serious disagreement with them these days, and may never write for them again.

Kevin

32 Canadian Bacon  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:23:20pm

#26 Mar

I first heard about LGF in one of his articles.

So did I, as a matter of fact. I bet there's a lot more out there in the same boat.

Charles, I hope you will be dropping the National post from your Media Links.

33 Ross  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:25:34pm

Well Mark Steyn still writes for about half a dozen publications he's not exactly going to be unavailable.

The New York Sun is owned by Conrad Black so they'll probabaly give him a column, I hope.

34 Wild Justice  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:26:21pm

#26 Mar
#32 Canadian Bacon

Yep, count me in as another who discovered LGF through Mark Steyn.

35 davesax  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:28:39pm

I discovered LGF through Daniel Pipes.

36 Elizabeth  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:28:52pm

Thank God for the Internet; I can go to Steyn OnLine and catch all his columns for the week. The only loss will be that fewer of them will now have to do with Canadian politics since he won't be read in any of the dailies up here. Pity, because his take on Cretin politics was a breath of fresh air.

I'm in Toronto and never pick up a daily anymore--get all my new off the Net so I was totally surprised to find out Steyn had been fired; in fact, a little girl went missing here and was found dead this week and I only just found out.

The trouble with the Net is if you don't check in with your own bailiwack every day, stuff can slip by you. All the same, it's a pity for Canada that one of their brightest sparks no longer shines there. I fear for my country, really I do.

37 Togi  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:30:43pm

#23 ditto! When people say 'Canada' they don't realize that the Canada they read about is Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa...anywhere outside a major urban center is nomansland for immigration.

I am such a Steyn groupie - I won't be buying the Post again on principle. It's like a good friend has packed up and moved outta town.

Thank god I discovered blogs.

38 EarlW  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:32:26pm

When I called the National Post to confirm, the operator said that "He would be back"...

Now if they could only replace Rebecca Eckler with something interesting.. like a comic strip or two.

39 Spiny Norman  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:34:03pm

There's terrific letter on Steyn's site that might help explain his dismissal, or at least put it in perspective. From Mike Hegarty of Perth, Australia:

As you rightly point out the Ulster Prods were - are - the pariah people of the earth. Only the Afrikaaners and the Israelis come near and even they have had some influential supporters.

(...)

Today the banners flying from the lampposts in the miserable little back streets of East Belfast include many Israeli and US flags. Hey, when you get up the noses of the liberal intelligentsia you may as well do it properly.

Well, I would have to say Mark Steyn has done it quite properly. Definitely the Post's loss.

40 Ariel  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:34:53pm

Colt #27,

I think I remember reading that a top-ranked columnist might make $150K . I think it was in Bobos in Paradise that I read that.

But the Careers site at the WSJ suggests a high average salary of $43K for NY, which seems awfully low.

41 cba  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:39:16pm

Well I discovered LGF thanks to... Mona Baker. The site was listed when I googled her at the height of her crap. I came for a visit and never left.

42 Wild Justice  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:39:34pm

Nobody packs more humor into a square inch than Mark Steyn. Jonah Goldberg on a good day comes close. But Steyn is one of those rare individuals who can't not be funny.

43 Dagesu  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:39:36pm

Wait a minute. Nowhere does Steyn say anywhere, outright on the link that he was fired. The editors were fired but he doesn't say him specifically. If they actually did fire him, I'll cancel my subscription.

Fuck, it's a bad year to be a Canadian!

44 togi  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:46:49pm

#38 - Amen. I was just saying that yesterday - it's a black day for journalism when Eckler gets to blather about nothing and Steyn is nowhere to be found. What is it these days with the Ecklers and the Leah McLarens getting paid by the word to tell us about their sparkly social lives? Ugh.

45 John B  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:49:21pm

Re: #34 et al

Yup, me too.

I've been a Post subscriber since day one. They have an excellent group of columnists (George Jonas, Andrew Coyne, Robert Fulford to name a few) but I always looked forward to Mondays and Thursdays when Steyn's columns ran. If he's gone then I will likely follow. It always surprised me how the Aspers thought they could fit this newspaper in given it's conservative position and their very close connections to the Liberal party. They run a thoroughly mediocre television network, now they can do the same in print.

Oh well, it was nice while it lasted. BTW, Steyn's fans could also check out George Jonas' columns. He writes with the same knowledge (perhaps more so) although lacking the humour.

46 Keelie  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:49:39pm

Just sent the fools an "enlightening" letter. The last decent paper just went down the drain. Almost conspiratorial....

Looks like I'll have to start reading US papers.

47 dagesu  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:50:13pm

Good point about Eckler. Somebody should investigate her. She always has some anonymous "friend" to confirm all her new trend spotting. I'm sure she never leaves home writing this stuff.

48 Jheka  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:50:28pm

I hope that the Weekly Standard would pick up Steyn. Larry Miller's column just doesn't appear often enough for my tastes and Steyn would be a great injection of common sense and uncommon humor.

49 Wild Justice  Wed, May 14, 2003 12:55:52pm

Colt
Ariel

A few weeks back, John Derbyshire announced in one of his NRO columns that his taxable income for 2002 was (if my memory serves me right) approximately $37,000.

If that's indeed the case (and it's such an absurdly low figure for a man of his brilliance that I wonder if I read it wrong) then there's no justice in the world.

Young kids get 50 bazillion dollars to play basketball. No-talent actresses with shapely chests own mansions all over God's green earth. And singers who've never written a song in their lives live like kings.

And Derb makes how much?

(And don't even get me started on teachers' salaries, soldiers', nurses', etc. etc.)

50 Milo Minderbinder  Wed, May 14, 2003 1:01:58pm

Steyn was the only reason I ever became aware that the National Post existed or bothered to go to it's web site. Didn't always agree with his views, but he's funny and literate. I look forward to reading his stuff at some other paper with better editorial sense.

51 Tombo  Wed, May 14, 2003 1:08:36pm

Ditto for supporting Steyn's addition to Weekly Standard--far funnier than anyone writing today, and he'd also broaden TWS' geographic reach considerably.

52 J. Lichty  Wed, May 14, 2003 1:18:46pm

davesax:

When did Pipes reference LGF?

53 heather  Wed, May 14, 2003 1:22:12pm

The National Post was a sign of life in Canada's political life... and its demise, a sign of the continuing power of the Liberal Party.

When Paul Martin and a few acolytes turned up in my neighbourhood, my first thought was: did bits of flesh fall off their bodies as they moved around? The Liberal Party is completely and totally corrupt.

There are a few Good Journalists left in Canada, like George Jonas, and David Warren. But Canada is like a car made of balsa wood, held together with masking tape. So long as the road has no bumps, it will last.

But I think Chretien, da liddle guy from Shawinigan has, by his idiot alliance with Old Europe, has placed a very large bump on Canada's easy ride into the 21st century.

54 SparcVark  Wed, May 14, 2003 1:33:12pm

#49:

Yeah, John Derbyshire apparently revealed his combined household income was 37 grand here - scroll down to "Income Taxes". This blew my mind - small wages for such a talented man. I always liked him since he was a programmer back in the days of assembly when efficiency was prized.

I mean, the man appeared in a movie with Bruce Lee, for crying out loud. Surely our society can find some way to make him more wealthy than this!

55 Joe Freedom  Wed, May 14, 2003 1:34:42pm

You would think that, from a marketing perspective, firing Steyn is completely counter-intuitive since Steyn's columns appeal to the type of person who subscribes to the Post (otherwise they would be buying the Star). If this is an indication that the Post is trying to become more liberal, then the new editors are not clever because the Globe and the Star already have the left-of-centre market. I would think that the Post's best approach would be to continue to appeal to the right-wing segment of the population, since there are no other Toronto papers to compete with.

56 Ajax Pickering  Wed, May 14, 2003 1:38:17pm

I sent an email to the Post asking about Steyn's absence and "Sierra, Gladys (National Post)" replied that "Mark Steyn is on vacations and will be back towards the end of the month."

Possibly they have suspended his column to see what the reaction will be. If they get enough complaints, they'll bring him back. If not enough people care, he's gone for good. It's only a possibility, but it wouldn't hurt to let the Post know you miss Steyn's column.

57 Charles  Wed, May 14, 2003 1:38:46pm

Derbyshire was an assembly language programmer? Hey -- me too. I cut my teeth on 6502 assembly language, and graduated to 680x0, eventually writing some quite large applications with it for my software company, CodeHead Technologies. (Running into tens of thousands of lines of code.)

58 jdwill  Wed, May 14, 2003 1:43:21pm

Huge Steyn fan here. He not only writes magnificently, he is a very captivating speaker on TV.
Maybe Fox will snag him - that would just about finish off the competition.

PS. A site search for Steyn on New Criterion yields a treasure trove of his material you may have not seen.

59 Vancouverman  Wed, May 14, 2003 1:58:11pm

The Post used to restore my faith that there was more people like me in Canada. It was a life presever out here on the left-coast.

60 et  Wed, May 14, 2003 1:58:35pm

#36

a little girl went missing here and was found dead this week and I only just found out.

I live in Virginia and knew about this case. You should listen to CFRB on line.

61 SparcVark  Wed, May 14, 2003 2:18:19pm

Charles:

Yeah, he waxes profound about the joys of MASM in this article, and uses the phrase "efficiency in coding is dead". Too true, too true.

Didn't know that you were an assembly hacker, though. Impressive. I'm just a lazy bum, so my paying jobs have involved a sad decline from Ada 83, through C++, to Visual Basic, and now I'm just a sysadmin trying to get other people's software to work through Terminal Services.

Still, though, in my brief flaring of talent back in college, I did touch Nirvana. Did some simple 68000 and x86 assembly, but my real moment of computer studliness came when we had to code for (pause for dramatic effect) a PDP-8. No assembler here, baby! We wrote our "assembly" on a pad of paper, and broke it into octal. I entered it in on (wait for it) a switch register.

(Waits for awed gasps to die down) Yeah, I could manage an entry every one or two seconds. Form one line please, ladies! No pushing, now. (If only.)

62 someone  Wed, May 14, 2003 2:18:57pm

Wild Justice: Who let you out of the broom closet? Get back in there and finish your account of the VDH thing!

63 Lawrence Haws  Wed, May 14, 2003 2:36:03pm

Canada (Edmonton) trades away Gretzky and now (National Post) fires Steyn. I'm not sure which is worse, but that country's surely cursed now.

64 erp  Wed, May 14, 2003 2:40:21pm

letters@nationalpost.com

Let them know what we think of firing Mark.

65 murray  Wed, May 14, 2003 2:50:16pm

Write to the Post's Editorial section here, and let them know what you think of Steyn's (potential) firing.

66 Wild Justice  Wed, May 14, 2003 2:56:28pm

#62   someone 

3500 words down. 1500 to go!

67 whitemaleHEgemonist  Wed, May 14, 2003 2:59:03pm

#6,
Richmond-Times Disgrace (as my liberal friends call it)? Hell, currently that my local paper too.

68 genuine goat  Wed, May 14, 2003 3:22:05pm

I just cannot see the Aspers firing Steyn. Not outright.

It may be that Steyn was sacked, but my guess is that this furor resulted from Steyn making a stand against the dismissal of editors Whyte and Newland.

Whatever happened, if Steyn is off the Post, the Post is toast. At least, I'll never buy another copy.

69 Debbie  Wed, May 14, 2003 3:36:51pm

The Frum Post
[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

Where to write the National Post
queries@nationalpost.com
letters@nationalpost.com

70 Henry  Wed, May 14, 2003 4:04:52pm

Steyn on NRO? Good idea.

Can't say I'll miss the National Post. There's no reason to read it now.

71 Realist  Wed, May 14, 2003 4:07:29pm

Knew this was going to happen....just a matter of time. The Arse-peers have their heads so far up the Liberal Party's asses they know first hand what Jean Cretien had for lunch today!

Betcha Dizzy Izzy bends over backwards to start hiring pro-liberal sattraps for the Post and retain vapid boring drones like Eckler and Richler as filler material.

The only representitive conservative paper left now in Canada is the Toronto Sun, but their columnists have nowehere near the writing talent Conrad Black had amassed for the Post years ago. In fact, the one of the Sun's traditionally conservative syndicated columnists, Eric Margolis, has become a bit of a turncoat these days, now more worthy of writing for Le Monde than the Sun.....

72 Fay  Wed, May 14, 2003 4:26:01pm

The Post started to be toast the day Conrad left. If they have fired Steyn, that's it for me, even though Blatchford's still there I don't think she'll stay. And, I agree with all the others who have complained about Eckler, what' s with that waste of space anyway? She's getting married but she and her husband are not going to live together, huh?

Anyway, thank goodness Steyn is available in lots of other publications.

#59 Vancouverman, where have you been hiding? I thought I was the onhly Vancouverite who frequented LGF.

73 McGill Jordan  Wed, May 14, 2003 4:33:29pm

The worst part about this for me is I will have to hear the damn liberals up here point out the failure (it will fold) of the Post as proof of the inherent failure of conservative thinking. I know the incoherent rambling of one of the largest collective bodies of assclowns should not bother me, but it will. Hell, it already does.

Cheers,

Jordan

74 Ptah  Wed, May 14, 2003 4:37:37pm

*shakes head* Liberals are stupid enough to do something THAT crazy!
-----
Wow! Same history here! 8080, 6800, 6502, 68020 assembly languages, plus wrote an assembler and editor for a one-off, 8K 16 bit, homebrew computer. Moved from there to C, then C++.

AND I soldered S100 slots to the backplane of the MITS Altair. Programming that thing was a sucka!

75 Dagesu  Wed, May 14, 2003 5:18:32pm

#59 Vancouverman
#72 Fay

I live in Vancouver as well. I can't believe there is people in this town who read LGF and Steyn.

My riding is Vancouver Centre. There was about 5 people who voted Alliance in the last election. Me included.

Hedy Fry is my MP for fuck's sake!

76 Fay  Wed, May 14, 2003 5:37:25pm

#75 dagesu

My riding is Vancouver Centre. There was about 5 people who voted Alliance in the last election. Me included.

Me too!

Hedy Fry is my MP for fuck's sake!

Mine to! The only positive thing I can say about Hedy is, is, that she isn't Svend.

Are you in the West End?

77 Paladin  Wed, May 14, 2003 6:02:38pm

If this firing follows the pattern, he will be picked up by a better publication. For more money. And a book deal. And a TV show. In a better country.

78 Huck  Wed, May 14, 2003 6:17:05pm

I don't know if he was fired or what happened. It seems like after the restructuring of the National Post, many of the columnists have been rethinking their roles under the new Asper puppets. Maybe they're renegotiating. I don't know. I wrote to Matthew Fraser (the new editor and a competent columnist in his own right) and I asked him about it. I'll reprint the messages below:

Mr Fraser,

I've been a reader of the Post for four years now and I have never waivered from my support of the paper, at least not until I read that big changes were coming about straight from the Aspers. I don't claim to know what's going on over there with the turnover of the executive staff and the pledge that the paper is turning over a new leaf. I don't know what's been going on with the new love-in for Paul Martin over there either.

However, one thing I do know is that if I am forced to stop reading my favorite columnists in the National Post - Steyn, Blatchford, Frum, and anyone else being considered for termination - not even the brilliant
Scott Feschuk will stop me from cancelling my subscription.

The columnists of the Post were what gave it the edge over the rest of the competition. Lose them, and you lost yourself a loyal customer.


Rob Huck


and his response:


Rob,
I totally agree -- I hope you will continue to read these columnists in the Post, starting with Christie Blatchford tomorrow.
Matthew.


So, I'm willing to give the man the benefit of the doubt until at least for a couple more weeks before I think about cancelling my subscription. However, the Post has several very excellent columnists who still deserve to be heard: Robert Fulford, George Jonas, Andrew Coyne, and Cam Cole in sports come immediately to mind.

And I'm not even going to come close to describing how fanstastic Scott Feschuk was today in his review of the new Matrix movie.

Huck

79 Carol Herman  Wed, May 14, 2003 6:58:15pm

Tell Huck to go fly a kite. Bait and Switch are stupid business tactics. And, illegal. Plus, anyone who wants to sell stuff in the market place knows NOT TO SHIT ON THEIR REPUTATIONS. This paper just did that!

Funny. You'll find the INTERNET is where you go to find out stuff. Not commercial newsprint. And, anyone that 'fires' Frum and Steyn, got their rocks off one day ... but they burned their legs off in the process ... So just how can they pull up their pants?

Ain't gonna happen. Mark Steyn has READERSHIP way beyond the mere numbers of a rotten newspaper.

Too bad businessmen are so clueless about their own customers. Plus, the reach of the Internet.

"MAN WITHOUT LEGS CREATES STORIES WITH LEGS" ... Shame will fix these results in the end.

80 Andre S  Wed, May 14, 2003 7:44:18pm

I give the National Post 1 year tops.
There are only so many good Op/Ed people in Canada. They all worked for the National Post. Now they are mostly gone.
...but I have it from reliable sources that the ex-editor of the Post and some of the editorialists who have been "excused" are planning something.
Stay tunes.

81 icerocks  Wed, May 14, 2003 7:50:32pm

Did anyone notice that soon after Mark Steyn revealed in a column that the honourable Jacques Chretien's daughter's father-in-law is the a major shareholder in TotalFinaElf, France's number one oil conglomerate, suddenly Mark's column is on hiatus.... Coincidence.......I DON"T THINK SO!!!!!!!!.

82 One more Vancouverite  Wed, May 14, 2003 9:02:36pm

I am one more Vancouverite from the North Shore. It seems I am not alone... Good to know.

Vilmos

PS. Anybody remembers another good writer called Donna Lafambroise? She was laid off maybe two years ago?

83 Justice  Wed, May 14, 2003 9:26:32pm

YAY!

84 Paul S  Wed, May 14, 2003 10:22:26pm

Are you SURE Mark Steyn has been fired? It is not listed on Mark Steyn's web site or the National Posts.

If he has been fired, I will give up on the NP. It was the only credible newspaper in the country here. I know it is going through financial problems, but they need writers like him.

Say it ain't so!

85 Kevin  Thu, May 15, 2003 2:55:51am

His column is usually Monday and Thursday. This morning there's another note that his column will return.

So, no column, but definitely no firing (yet). I think there's definitely a dispute going on that is being kept private so far.

Kevin

86 Smitty  Thu, May 15, 2003 2:58:44am

Oh no. This can't be true. What the hell is going on at the National Post! This is truly a mistake which will no doubt hurt the Post. Although it won't be the same without him, there are still several strong, conservative voices at the Post worth a read.

87 Jerry S  Thu, May 15, 2003 3:13:07am

# 18 Ariel

Too bad about Steyn. Love his columns and there really isn't much I'd read from North of the Border any more.

You might want to check out Andrew Coyne at the National Post. I've read some Steyn columns where he has quoted Andrew. The guy can most definitely turn a phrase.

88 Birdgunner  Thu, May 15, 2003 4:36:06am

A little mouse-work reveals that Mark's website states he is travelling in Eurabia and the Middle East; plausible reason for a slowdown in production (even for Mr. Prolific!). I note also that the Post's website still has his picture on their Columnists page, which surely would not be the case had he already been purged. So for the time being, I'm willing to give the Post the benefit of the doubt.

That said, while Andrew Coyne and Christie Blatchford are both fine columnists (and Christie's pre-9/11 memorial swing through the mid-West last year was a remarkable piece in the finest tradition of coal-face journalism), Mark's work is essential to balance off the lunatic leftist, self-flagellating ravings of the "other Mark", soi-disant "professor" (yes, those are sneer quotes) Kingwell, whose drivel is still polluting the editorial pages. Steyn's column was the only reason I was willing, on Mondays and Thursdays, to fork out the extra $.25 that the new management is charging.

Advice to Charles - zip up this log and email it to the Post. Maybe what Izzy et al. need is a little pre-emptive strike to focus their tiny minds on how many people read their rag, and what they read it for. News we can get anywhere; interesting and compelling commentary is a rarer beast.

- Birdgunner

89 marek  Thu, May 15, 2003 5:34:29am

Thursday morning:

National Post says Mark Steyn's column will return

90 John B  Thu, May 15, 2003 6:59:34am

Re: #'s 75 and 76

Hedy Fry your MP. Shit, I thought I had problems in Toronto with the Liberals. Go have a drink, you deserve it.

#81

Actually Mark Steyn didn't reveal this connection. It was Dianne Francis in the same paper (actually the Financial Post) who brought it up twice. I believe Mark attributted it to her in his column that day.

91 Togi  Thu, May 15, 2003 7:09:02am

Just wanted to wave at the lower mainland crowd of LGF'ers! Hello from scenic Smithers, B.C.

92 Hombomber  Thu, May 15, 2003 7:48:09am

Big LGF fans out here on the east coast too (PEI). We're not all rubber booted EI bums, as you cocky westerners believe ;-)

Steyn Rules!!

93 vancouverman  Thu, May 15, 2003 3:45:26pm

#72 Fay
#75 Dagesu

Holy Smokes!

I voted Alliance in Van. Centre as well.

That makes 3 out of the 5. Where's the other 2?

94 Fay  Thu, May 15, 2003 4:23:34pm

#93 Vancouverman

LOL, the other two have to be around here somewhere. Maybe they're shy!

95 T dot  Thu, May 15, 2003 8:29:16pm

#43
"Fuck, it's a bad year to be a Canadian! "


Hell -- we won the World Hockey Championships...and the Americans couldn't make it out of the first round. Sounds like the making of a damn good year to me! :)

96 Huck  Fri, May 16, 2003 6:19:05am

#79 Carol Herman

Dear Carol,


Been enjoying the kite flying over the past few days. Thanks for the advice. How's that foot tasting?


With love,

Huck

97 Nathanincanada  Wed, May 21, 2003 12:09:09am

I'm from the B.C. Greater Vancouver area too.

I actually feel like crying upon learning that Mark Steyn and David Frum will not return to the National Post. They were easily my favorite columnists of any paper. For what it's worth, Eckler is great and Coyne isn't. Jonas doesn't have Steyn's verve, and I won't be bothered to go to the Post's website just for him. I'll still visit Fulford and Blatchford once in a while. I'm pleased I can still read [Link: www.steynonline...] and [Link: www.davidfrum.com,...] and also the excellent [Link: www.opinionjournal.com...] and [Link: www.nationalreview.com....]

I came to this issue late; I somehow failed to miss Steyn's initial treatment of the issue, and I've had to read Instapundit and Frum's treatments of the Post's nightmare make-over. I kept hoping the National Post's archives online would soon show Steyn and Frum again.

It was because of Steyn that I first found out about LGF. The "kill em all" types ended out turning me off, but I think there's some great work here.

Tdot, get with the program: hockey is the opiate of the Canadian masses. I couldn't give a damn about those overpaid millionare goons, but I AM sad to see what is happening to our ever-worsening country.

The Southam chain is reverting to its pre-Black days, I think. I think I'd better stop, or the world will seem too dark. Would that it were more Black!


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