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Belgian Shari'a Watch

Thu, May 29, 2003 at 4:53:51 pm PDT

LGF reader Channy A. forwarded this Belgian advertisement, showing the growing power and influence of the Arab fifth column in Belgium.

Translation:

Israeli fruit has a bitter taste.
Refuse accepting occupied Palestine.
Don't buy Israeli fruit and vegetables.

Belgian-Palestinian Association

UPDATE: Here is the web site of the Belgian-Palestinian Association.

UPDATE: And here is a more recent PDF version of the advertisement above, with different text.

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1 HalfLife  Thu, May 29, 2003 2:56:32pm

Okay. No more Belgian food for me.

We already avoid French (obvious reasons) and Norwegian (Israeli boycott) products. Any others out there?

2 Novie  Thu, May 29, 2003 2:56:41pm

The Palestinians have a leg up on the Israelis because the Palis don't produce anything of value to counter-boycott.

3 Debbie  Thu, May 29, 2003 2:57:21pm

Where was this published?

4 BigBad  Thu, May 29, 2003 2:58:36pm

Well then, I guess I'll have to boycott suicide bomb belts.

5 adam  Thu, May 29, 2003 2:59:51pm

Ugh.

Can you say BLOOD LIBEL?

"Jews use the blood of Paleostinian children to grow their grapefruit!"

That's what the ad says.

6 Yossarian  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:00:39pm

What does it say at the very bottom? It looks like "the platform of Palestinian action." Is that a group? A point they're trying to make? Sorry, I can't read the first words (too fuzzy). It looks like they have a website listed there also.

7 belize042  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:02:29pm

#4 LOL. Don't forget doublespeak and anti-Semitism, the other two main Paleostinian exports.

8 Mattress  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:02:57pm

What's wrong with Norway?

9 Charles  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:04:31pm

The website of this group is here:

[Link: www.11.be...]

10 Kimberly  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:06:05pm

Yes, the blood imagery in that ad is quite disgusting - especially when you consider how eager many Palestinians are to shed Israeli blood.

Keep it up, Belgium. I'm sure you think appeasement will placate them. I'm sure that your skyscrapers, bars, and synagogues are the next targets.

11 mickthemick  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:07:43pm

Looks like it's time to boycott Chimay and other Belgian ales.

12 DB  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:11:20pm

Looks like they're also boycotting "little green footballs". LOL

13 Deathberg  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:13:38pm

I suddenly feel like going on a grapefruit diet.

14 wordwarp  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:14:34pm

Disgusting.

I wonder if they consider that that could be the blood of a 4 year old Israeli girl shot while sucking her thumb in bed?

In good news, a search of 'zionazis' at Google News yielded this result:

"Your search - zionazis - did not match any documents.
Suggestions:

- Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
- Try different keywords.
- Try more general keywords.
Also, you can browse today's headlines on the Google News homepage."

15 Joe  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:15:43pm

OT, but does anyone know the site that caches all/most of the net's websites? I'm trying to find the agence-france press story about the kids freed from the iraqi jail but can't find it anywhere. The yahoo news article is gone and it doesn't turn up in any searches.

Speaking of which, apart from that single report and one mention in TIME magazine in an interview with Scott Ritter, the 'kids in jail' story wasn't picked up by any other news agency that I've seen. Was this story corroborated? I'd hate to be spreading the next 'baby milk factory' story around.

16 Deathberg  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:16:01pm

And speaking of Google, "Axis of weasel" now gets over 11,000 hits on Google Groups.

17 Paladin  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:20:29pm

Think I'll go into the business of importing Israeli fruit into the US.

Screw the Belgians.

18 Lively  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:23:24pm

I agree, that grapefruit picture is disgusting. Pink/red grapefruit juice is transparent....not solid color like the blood they're showing.

19 HalfLife  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:25:26pm

#8 Mattress

Norway unions are others are boycotting Israeli products - see here and here.

As for the image - I believe the picture actually shows a "blood orange." Jaffa oranges are probably the most famous Israeli export - which is probably the reason they use an orange here. However, blood oranges actually come from the Mediterranean, so they're definitely intending a blood libel reference. Scum.

20 Yossarian  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:25:53pm

Could the fruit be a blood orange? It's about the same color.

21 HalfLife  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:27:42pm

Argh - I did preview. Not that it shows.

"Norway unions and others" of course.

Yossarian: Yes, I'm pretty sure it's a blood orange. But thet's just the point - Israeli products drip with the blood of innocents... yada yada.

22 hobgoblin  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:29:13pm

#18

not that it really matters, but the picture is that of a blood orange. in supermarkets here in America, they are often pretty bitter, but if properly ripened, they are delicious.

Makes me wish I actually consumed belgian products, so I could begin boycotting these asshats.

anyone who is blind to the blood on the hands of the palis is worse than evil

23 Tiburon  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:31:45pm

KTA(ALGSTO)

24 HalfLife  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:34:19pm

Hm, apparently there are Jaffa blood-oranges - I found a reference (translated from the German) here.

25 Ole George  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:35:46pm

Yossarian is correct. That is a blood orange, aka moro.

26 Caton  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:37:08pm

#22 hobgoblin

Makes me wish I actually consumed belgian products, so I could begin boycotting these asshats.

You do.

80% of the banana trees in the world, accounting for more than 90% of the bananas, come from one Belgian company (wned by the university of Liège). The profits of that company finance half of the biotechnology research in Belgium.

...and I don't like bananas anyway.

27 HalfLife  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:37:28pm

ARGGGH! Forgive me, everyone - the link in #24 was a Holocaust Revisionist site! I just Googled for "Jaffa" and "blood oranges" - I wasn't reading carefully.

Horrible - it says "World Jewry declared war on Germany"!

Ack ack ack phtui!

28 GF  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:40:43pm

...from those lovely filty bastards with the blood of millions of Africans on the hands. The sanctimonious hypocritical horseshit is enough to boil the blood. The Belgians can take their piss ale and drink it all up. No more Thanksgiving ales...

29 Ariel  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:44:18pm

Disgusting.

Bleah.

Too bad I can't read Flemish so that I can understand what they're writing in the other ad.

30 Midnight Creeper  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:46:50pm

Dang. I love bananas!

31 Charles  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:47:00pm

Agreed -- it's probably a blood orange. But the drop coming off the bottom has been Photoshopped to look like a drop of human blood; much thicker and darker than the juice of an orange.

32 Spoons  Thu, May 29, 2003 3:57:00pm

Hopefully, in our lifetimes, the U.S. will get a chance to go to war against Europe again. Those animals have forgotten their place in the world.

33 Yossarian  Thu, May 29, 2003 4:00:24pm

And what exactly are the objects with the "no" sign over them? One looks like it reads "sabra."

34 hobgoblin  Thu, May 29, 2003 4:01:35pm

#26 Caton

Shit, really? Bananas? Even Chiquita bananas?

Craptastic. I just ate one.


Charles,

I think you're right about the drip, but I've seen some dark blood orange juice (wife loves to juice them). Even if the color's OK, I know that the juice never has that much cohesion/surface tension to support a drip like that, though.

More to the point, how can this be a regular ad that some possible "mainstream" magazines would run? Is Europe really that whacked?

"Israeli fruit drips with blood." I mean, c'mon!!! That's just retarded. If Israel did what it probably should do to the palis, then maybe, but on this planet?!? Calling them morons demeans human morons.

35 hobgoblin  Thu, May 29, 2003 4:03:23pm

Belgian translators for the .pdf ad?

36 Caton  Thu, May 29, 2003 4:03:52pm

#34 hobgoblin

Yes, really, most bananas, but practically all bananas you'll find in Western countries. Banana trees only produce once IIRC, and it takes 3 years, then they are replaced. So it has to be a long-term boycott. Like mine: I haven't eaten a banana in 30 years.

37 Caton  Thu, May 29, 2003 4:05:09pm

Ah, missed that one...

#34 hobgoblin

Is Europe really that whacked?

Yes. This is only a very small sample.

38 Dom  Thu, May 29, 2003 4:06:28pm

What on earth could one insinuate with a Belgian banana?

39 wordwarp  Thu, May 29, 2003 4:09:55pm

Is there a reason I'm getting the message, "Connection to [Link: www.paypal.com...] is secure (RC4-128)" when I open that blood-orange PDF file? Creepy somehow.

40 The Law Student  Thu, May 29, 2003 4:12:44pm

I hope that the Satanic Sharian infection destroys the Europeans for allowing the Saracens into their coutries.

41 Bert Wolff  Thu, May 29, 2003 4:14:25pm

The Belgians? Who the hell are the Belgians?

As for the Arab fifth column, well, that's another story.

HalfLife - #1, #19. I immediately thought of the Norweigans as soon as I read what Charles posted.

As revealed by HalfLife's link, a year ago, "[s]upermarket chains [in Norway] promptly began labeling Israeli produce with special stickers to help the boycott . . . ." If I recall correctly, the stickers were yellow. I haven't bought a slice of Jarlsburg cheese since then. And I have no plans to do so for the indefinite future.

42 Model4  Thu, May 29, 2003 4:14:47pm

I suppose the real test would be to try to run an equally vivid/inflammatory message in the same venue against the Jordyptians. Would this be allowed by the private sector, or would they deny the opposing side a voice? Would the government step in and prohibit the ad? (remember the hate crime/hate speech thread? This is always a bad idea.)

You'd think with "all the money" and "running Hollywood" that the Jews would pull their heads out of their asses and get some freaking PR. Hint: They found Anne Frank. Hiding from your enemies and hoping they'll go away isn't always the best route if you have other options available.

43 Banagor  Thu, May 29, 2003 4:30:03pm

I just had to write about this....

This picture pained me more than you can imagine.

BTW, I looked at the ad in Flemish and it says the same thing as it does in French...pretty much what others have said:


"Israeli fruit has a bitter taste"
"Refuse the occupation of Palestine"
"Do not buy Israeli fruits and vegetables"

44 Zachary Cohen  Thu, May 29, 2003 4:32:29pm

The grapefruit with the blood was quite clever, actually.

I'll decapitate the person who though up that bit last.

45 Juliette  Thu, May 29, 2003 4:33:05pm

King Leopold is smiling. (Or he would be, if he weren't in Hell.)

46 Alex de Large  Thu, May 29, 2003 4:39:49pm

These people who are trying to organize a boycott of Israeli citrus for the benefit of the Palestinians are just idiots. The Palestinians would be hit the hardest by such a boycott since many of them earn their livelihood as laborers on Israeli farms and since their economy is dependent on the economy of Israel.

Or maybe they're not such idiots. Maybe they don't give a damn about the Palestinians and hate Israel regardless of the Palestinian situation. Something to think about.

47 Victor of the Apes  Thu, May 29, 2003 4:39:50pm

If anybody wants to raise funds to do an Ethiopia style Jew airlift out of Belgium I would gladly donate.

Perhaps we could get a little extra to raise a private army and raze the Belgian capitol. Put these Euroschmucks in their place.

48 AnGeL  Thu, May 29, 2003 4:39:58pm

Wondering when the "Boycott Stupidity" starts.. sign me up for that one please..

49 Aaron S.  Thu, May 29, 2003 4:55:05pm

The message is: BOYCOTT FRANCE, SPREAD THE WORD. THEY ARE BLATANTLY ANTI-SEMITIC, ANTI-AMERICAN BASTARDS. LET THEM EAT CAKE.

IT IS TIME THE FRENCH FELT THE PAIN OF THEIR ILLEGITIMATE POLICIES.

READ THE ARTICLE IN THE JUNE ISSUE OF VANITY FAIR.

LET YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY KNOW.

THE FRENCH ARE HUMAN REFUSE.

IN FIFTY YEARS FRANCE WILL THE FIRST EUROPEAN MOSLEM COUNTRY. THEY ALREADY HAVE 9 MILLION MOSLEMS THERE! AND THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT HAVING TOO MANY JEWS! CAN YOU SAY "HYPOCRITES."

50 MB  Thu, May 29, 2003 4:58:06pm

I can't really fault Belgium as a whole on this. It doesn't appear to be officially sanctioned by the government. Just some dimwit paliwhiner org and their socialist and leftwing sympathizers who are sponsoring a boycott. No different than if a group of loony leftie Americans did the same thing. Besides I've enough reasons already to boycott le petit belge anyway without this.

51 Lively  Thu, May 29, 2003 5:00:18pm

The suicide bombers should blow themselves up in the grapefruit fields......it would pacify their need for blood and save human beings at the same time.

52 Alf  Thu, May 29, 2003 5:02:39pm

Looks like we're going to have to call them Freedom Waffles from now on.


#4 Bigbad


Also, let's boycott Arab ignorance and hate: the only fruits that the Pals grow, harvest and bring to market.

53 Ariel  Thu, May 29, 2003 5:20:17pm

Banagor #43,

Wow! That was a great post on your website. Anybody who hasn't read it should.

I feel similarly. I grew up mostly in the US and Japan, but with parents who both looked up to Europe, and France in particular, as the light of civilization. It's been a very hard process learning that the French are ... well, I can't think of a good word that encompasses how I feel right now.

54 amy c  Thu, May 29, 2003 5:30:34pm

Goodbye--sob--Callebaut chocolate--sob

55 Banagor  Thu, May 29, 2003 5:31:11pm

Ariel,

Thank you. :)

Unfortunately, my parents both live near Paris, along with many other members of my family. I actually have French citizenship along with my American and Israeli ones. I am thinking, however, of publicly renouncing it forever if this sort of trash doesn't stop.

I just got done reading the Vanity Fair article as well and...well, I'll write about that soon enough, I suppose.

BTW...my web site is probably a tad slow right now as it's on my linux box here at home and on a DSL line (which is why 99% of the site is all text right now)

56 Donna V.  Thu, May 29, 2003 5:46:03pm

I want to do more than just boycotting the products of countries I detest (and Belgium has been on my personal sh*t list for a while). I'd buy more Israeli products if I could find them easily in stores, but I can't. Can anyone provide a list of retailers who sell Israeli products? Does such a list exist? (And yes, I realize there are dangers in having such a list - the loony left will use it to boycott those stores.)

But, really, I'd like to buy Israeli - but I have old-fashioned hangups about using credit cards on the Internet. I've looked for Jaffa oranges - no deal. I've looked for Ahava skin care products in stores -can't find them. The only Israeli wines I've found are the sweet sacramental types, which I can't stand. (My Polish American grandfather had an unaccountable fondness for Mogan David kosher wine, which he bought by the case. I stole a bottle once when I was 12, drank most of it with a friend behind our garage, and got very memorably sick - it was the first time in my life I got drunk. That was 30 years ago, but everytime I think of Mogan David wine, my stomach rolls over.)

I have found a very good Israeli hummus made by Strauss. It's very creamy and silky; I prefer the texture to the chunkier, drier kind. But that's it as far as Israeli products go. Do most Israeli exports end up in Europe?

57 Maui Girl  Thu, May 29, 2003 6:21:39pm

Shame on all you banana eaters. Start demanding that your bananas come from Hawaii.

We grow them by the boatloads here on Maui and once the trees start producing you get bananas year round. The trees produce offspring rapidly and in a matter of a year or two, one little banana tree becomes six. I should know. I have a dwarf banana tree that is now five dwarf (12 feet tall!) banana trees.

Banana daiquiri parties are big here.

58 zulubaby  Thu, May 29, 2003 6:41:26pm

I'm prepared to do my bit, but I'm not giving up bananas! Forget it.

59 ploome  Thu, May 29, 2003 6:41:57pm

56 Donna V.

where do you live...I will find some place for you to by stuff

60 zulubaby  Thu, May 29, 2003 6:48:27pm

Alex de Large (#46)

These people who are trying to organize a boycott of Israeli citrus for the benefit of the Palestinians are just idiots. The Palestinians would be hit the hardest by such a boycott since many of them earn their livelihood as laborers on Israeli farms and since their economy is dependent on the economy of Israel.

Thanks for saving me from saying that--again. Boycotts are not something that I will ever be comfortable with for exactly that reason. The people those boycotts are supposed to help are the ones that suffer the consequences of them.

In this case, I don't mind if it works out perfectly. Not at all.

61 JOEY  Thu, May 29, 2003 6:49:48pm

"Refuse accepting occupied Palestine.

Don't buy Israeli fruit and vegetables."

Those stupid Belgians. Now they'll all die of scurvey


and blame it on the Jews.

62 Ranbutan  Thu, May 29, 2003 6:54:53pm

On the 4 circled banned items....

Is the 1st a little green football?

63 Donna V.  Thu, May 29, 2003 7:02:16pm

ploome: I live in Milwaukee. I visit Chicago fairly regularly so the names of any downtown Chicago retailers would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!

64 zulubaby  Thu, May 29, 2003 7:03:40pm

JOEY (#61)

LOL!

65 Wim  Thu, May 29, 2003 7:06:00pm

Funny, though they always disparage American education, the Europeans don't seem to know their own history.

Nazi agitation against Jews started with business boycotts:
DEUTSCHE WEHRT EUCH ! KAUFT NICHT BEI JUDEN !
"Germans defend yourselves ! Don't buy from Jews !

66 blogaddict  Thu, May 29, 2003 7:30:42pm

Donna V--Naot shoes. Great product. Made in Israel. Good-looking and comfortable, too. See [Link: www.naot.com...] .

67 QueenEsther  Thu, May 29, 2003 7:37:40pm

What a--holes. They never get tired of trotting out that old blood libel bs.

So they don't want to buy Israeli fruit? Big deal. The Israelis learned long ago that producing fruit is a lot more timely and costly than producing computer chips. So, they actually import a lot of their fruit now. Its too bad. Israeli produce is the tastiest in the world. The grapes are like sugar. And the cherry tomatoes, too.

#26   Caton
I believe I read somewhere that Del Monte was recently purchased by Palestinians. Stay away from those bananas, too.

68 kent  Thu, May 29, 2003 7:44:19pm

#43 Benagor


I read your post on your website. An excellent essay, with many valuable insights. I share Ariel's opinion. Everyone should read this.

I understand your sentiments. I used to be a passionate francophile. Then I had my eyes opened, and saw the ugly truth. Now the place makes me ill. It's poisoned what were very happy memories, but I'm not going to pine over the loss.

69 ploome  Thu, May 29, 2003 7:49:42pm

DonnaV

Albertsons also consults with the local rabbinical authorities and, in the case of the Highland Park, Illinois store, "received its blessing," so to speak. That this happened was not only the result of the consultation, and the chain's commitment to strict kashrus observance within the store, but also because the location choice, in ex-urban Chicago, was far enough away from other closer-in centers of kosher retail as not to threaten the existence of that retail. Those familiar with Orthodox Jewish practice understand the concept of parnosseh, livelihood, and the consistent and determined efforts by a community's leadership not to harm someone's parnosseh. Albertsons choice of the Highland Park location for its new kosher store-in-a-store respected that, although in communities like Houston Albertsons was accused of putting "the little kosher guy" out of business.

The kosher expansion in the Jewel/Osco on Deerfield Road opened within the last year, and is under the supervision of the Orthodox Union and the Chicago Rabbinical Council, with Rabbi Heshy Reichman as the in-store kashrus supervisor.

Store management told Kosher Today that the kosher offerings are pulling in traffic from a broad geographic area, even from as far away as Milwaukee, some 80 miles up the freeway. Partly responsible for the store's success is its marketing strategy, an important facet of business often reported in Kosher Today as being integral to a retailer's success. In its publicity, the Highland Park Jewel/Osco describes itself as full service, containing "the finest one-stop kosher shopping experience." It features a kosher deli with rotisserie chicken, a glatt kosher fresh meat department, kosher parve pas yisroel bread products - including hard to find bagels baked on premises, cholov yisrael dairy products, a kosher fish counter, and over 550 kosher items in all.

[Link: www.koshertoday.com...]

Milwaukee Kosher Community Enjoy Coffeehouse

Milwaukee (Allan Gale)…A Milwaukee area kosher coffeehouse is a "perk" for nearby Orthodox Jewish residents, reports the Wisconsin Jewish Chronicle. The Sherman Perk Coffee Shop, offers locally made kosher products, including Alterra brand coffees, Rishi teas, bakery from Le Parve kosher bakery and kosher dairy sandwich fixings from the Kosher Meat Klub. An establishment owned and operated by a Jew cannot be certified kosher if it operates on the Sabbath and holidays, as does the coffee shop. However, one owned by a non-Jew, as is the case with Sherman Perk, can be, provided it is "within walking distance of somebody who can provide supervision." Rabbi Benzion Twerski and Rabbi Tuvia Torem provide supervision.

[Link: www.koshertoday.com...]

this coffehouse may be a good place to find outlets in Milwaulkee...

70 ploome  Thu, May 29, 2003 7:53:31pm

#67 QueenEsther

I switched from AOL to Earthlink because AOL is largely Saudi owned..

71 QueenEsther  Thu, May 29, 2003 8:11:25pm

#70 Ploome
oh crud!

72 Victor of the Apes  Thu, May 29, 2003 8:19:15pm

AOL is Saudi owned?
No wonder it's so shitty.

73 Donna V.  Thu, May 29, 2003 8:23:44pm

ploome: thank you for the links. I have an African-American friend who lives in the Sherman Park area - completely surrounded by Orthodox Jews - and next time I visit her, I'll stop by the coffeehouse. It makes sense when I think about it - I live across town so it didn't occur to me.

74 Yehudit  Thu, May 29, 2003 9:02:12pm
And the cherry tomatoes, too.

Fairway in NYC carries Israeli vine tomatoes. They're great.

Some of the lingerie at The Gap is made in Israel - check the labels.

75 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, May 29, 2003 9:18:52pm

#70 Ploome

please tell me that was a joke

76 Banagor  Thu, May 29, 2003 9:54:20pm

Kent,

Thank you as well. :)

Again, I apologize for my site being a mite slow but its the best that I can do at the moment.

77 zulubaby  Thu, May 29, 2003 10:11:52pm

Jewels (#75)

No joke. I gave up my AOL account too.

78 Tsedek  Thu, May 29, 2003 10:22:49pm

#35 - Hobgoblin

Translation PDF ad.

"........Stop meaningless violence. Many Palestinian and Israeli victims are macabre witnesses of a policy of voilence and occupation. A failing policy. For this purpose is this call from Actieplatform Palestina to end the occupation. We work for the implementation of the int'l law and support the justified demands of the Palestinian people and Israeli peace groups........."

Banagor, I'm originally Dutch, and always felt like a Dutch(wo)man living in Israel. (Could not get used to the "informal" lifestyle here.)

Always thought of Holland as one of the most "humane" countries on earth. Until not long ago. They're either just dumb and naive (believing the Palestinian PR crap) or plain bad. B.t.w. they are also on their way to their own destruction because of this.

And yes, it did hurt. It did hurt most of all because of the "death" of a part of me that doesn't exist anymore, it's a bereaved feeling. But, it has stepped aside for anger, anger, anger...... who are they (the people living there now) that they think they have the right to destroy a country where my ancestors have lived for so many centuries and helped building it?

My overall feeling is that they think that you're not a victim anymore as soon as you defend yourself. One's got to be slaughtered in order to "deserve" their compassion and support - which doesn't stand for much anyway - it won't save our lives - so just let them go on with their hatred and boil in their own juice, and concentrate on the places where the Islamnazi's try to get their feet on the ground and haven't succeeded, like the US. Europe for the most part is doomed anyway.

79 Caton  Thu, May 29, 2003 10:26:51pm

#78 Tsedek

Just one slight problem: the Islamonazis already have infiltrated the U.S. and are trying to turn it into one of their stronghold. Thanks to the left, they are succeeding.

I'm looking for a country where Islam is forbidden. Any ideas?

80 hans ze beeman  Thu, May 29, 2003 10:31:41pm

Totally OT...

A young Chinese student with SARS
Fled through Texas in a tuned Yaris.
Caught and jailed, he cried "Choose!
I might still be of use -
Either kill me, or send me to Paris."

With apologies to Caton :)

81 Tsedek  Thu, May 29, 2003 10:34:02pm

#79 - Caton - That bad? I thought the situation there could still be saved?

From an Indian site I linked into y'day, I got the distinct feeling they're developing anti-Islamic feelings. They're even comparing themselves with Israel (i.e Kashmir) as in Israel (Palestinians)!

82 Caton  Thu, May 29, 2003 10:38:20pm

#81 Tsedek

Let's put it that way... I'm moving from Paris to Tel Aviv because my kids will be safer.

83 Tsedek  Thu, May 29, 2003 10:39:09pm

Maybe good to mention the link I wrote about in above msg.
comments to an anti-Israel art.

84 Tsedek  Thu, May 29, 2003 10:41:04pm

#82 - Caton - You bet they will be! In that aspect it's an island of normality here.

85 Caton  Thu, May 29, 2003 10:47:36pm

#84 Tsedek

Well, here it's become crazy. One example: back in November my older son has been attacked in school by a group of Arab kids because he's Jewish. He defended himself, so he was expelled from the school for two weeks. Then nobody spoke to him in school, I guess because he refused to be a victim. This is still going on.

Oh well. Better to be feared than loved.

86 Tsedek  Thu, May 29, 2003 10:53:23pm

385 - Caton - Speed-up your "Aliya" - It sounds like things are deteriorating rapidly there. Take your sane family out of that insane country, and let them destroy themselves if they want to.

87 hans ze beeman  Thu, May 29, 2003 10:53:52pm

#85 Caton

Shocking story, though I admire the strength of your son. By the way, do the French in your neighborhood also despise "les Arabs"? When I went to France on an exchange, all the French were constantly warning me not to go to "les cartiers Arabs, il faut qu'on soit très attentif là-bas!"... the French disliked the Arabs and didn't trust them. Has that changed? (I was there 6 years ago, in Rouen)

88 Caton  Thu, May 29, 2003 10:59:34pm

#86 Tsedek

Second week of July. Can't speed it up.

#87 hans ze beeman

They both despise them and fear them. That's what the problem is.

89 Tamar  Thu, May 29, 2003 11:14:01pm

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Donna V.  5/29/2003 07:46PM PST

"The only Israeli wines I've found are the sweet sacramental types, which I can't stand. (My Polish American grandfather had an unaccountable fondness for Mogan David kosher wine, which he bought by the case. "

Mogan David Wine Is American, not Israeli. Locate a proper wine vendor an try a fine Gamla, Yarden, Golan, or Dalton wine---excellent!

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MB  5/29/2003 06:58PM PST


"I can't really fault Belgium as a whole on this. It doesn't appear to be officially sanctioned by the government. Just some dimwit paliwhiner org and their socialist and leftwing sympathisers who are sponsoring a boycott. No different than if a group of loony leftie Americans did the same thing. Besides I've enough reasons already to boycott le petit belge anyway without this."


Just like the boycott of Israeli Internet Subscribers, "Maybe, this..Perhaps that..." "Israel probably deserves it......" ad nauseum BULLSHIT!! This is WAR!!!!

Under U.S. Law, those who boycott Israel are guilty of a criminal offence and subject to imprisonment and fines. Foreigners are subject to fines and heavy sanctions;

[Link: www.bxa.doc.gov...]


Thirty years ago Israeli citrus fruit in England and Europe was being injected with mercury, the loss of sale cost billions of dollars and our citrus industry has never fully recovered from that act of organised Palestinian terrorism.
And by the way, Israeli citrus fruit is picked and packaged by Israelis, Israeli Arabs, and foreign (European mainly) volunteers living on the Kibbutz.--------Palestinians work in other areas, do other work, when they are trusted enough to be allowed in,

I am amazed at the flippant attitude of the appeasers when it comes to boycotting Israel---Paka, Paka!

Tamar

90 RC neo-Jew  Fri, May 30, 2003 1:16:33am

There is a shop in my area (in N. England) which sells more Israeli produce than most round here. Very occasionally they sell strawberries labelled ‘Palestine’ (although small print on the label has an address in, if I remember rightly, Tel Aviv). I have observed other shoppers pick up a container of strawberries, read the word ‘Palestine’, look warily at the fruit as though it might not be safe, and put it back on the shelf.

I like this shop. There one can buy Israeli goods and boycott Palestinian ones.

91 kent  Fri, May 30, 2003 2:23:18am

A propos of boycotts, an article in the Wine Spectator reports that sales of French wine in the US declined 22.6% for the four weeks ending April 20. Chirac and his toady D. de ... continue to take swipes at the US. Let's hope that the boycott continues as well.

92 Debbie  Fri, May 30, 2003 2:39:28am

It's an excellent choice for a boycott since many Israeli Arabs (and previously many more Palestinians, some of who may now receive work permits) are part of Israeli agriculture. Makes you miss the academic boycott, let's boycott knowledge and progress!

And by the way, Jaffa tangerines if you can get them, they're like candy.

Reminds me less of a blood libel and more of an antifur commercial I once saw ages ago. I believe it was a british ad that was pulled or never made it to tv to start. Fur clad models were walking on the runway and suddenly it turned into the final scene of Carrie. Total bloodbath. Models are drenched in blood (blood, not mud...not sexy) I can understand that antifur activists have a cause but all the ad really did was translate how radical antifur activists can be, that they've little to no tolerance for choice or debate...this, rather than how cruel wearing fur may be.

I have absolutely no common cause with the bloody fruit pop up ad crew but if I did, i would still think it was a revolting radical advertisement. And as I said earlier, stupid.

Was this ad published anywhere but at the website itself?

93 Debbie  Fri, May 30, 2003 3:02:51am

This appeared with the headline "Who will rule Iraq?"
Source: Akhbar al-Khalij (Bahrain)
Date: April 25, 2003
Reference: ADL

Fools! Don’t they know there’s oil, not diamonds, in Iraq! ;-)

94 ploome  Fri, May 30, 2003 3:07:39am


Jewel,

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Saudi billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal said yesterday that he remained wary of dot.com stocks despite revealing he had taken a $400m stake in America Online, raising his investment in the internet firm to $1.4bn.

but reading the rest of the article, we may just be providing da prinz with another buying opportunity....

:-/

95 ploome  Fri, May 30, 2003 3:14:13am

93 Debbie

pathetic cartoon

demonstrates the arabs impotent jealous rage

almost 300 millions of those arseholes, obsessed with destroying Jews

96 jk  Fri, May 30, 2003 4:27:58am

Donna V,
I think Bloomingdales sells Ahava products (if there are any Bloomingdales in Chicago)

97 QueenEsther  Fri, May 30, 2003 4:52:48am
#74   Yehudit
Some of the lingerie at The Gap is made in Israel - check the labels.

My undies from Victoria's secret are made in Israel.

But a while back I was just about to buy some Gap jeans, when I noticed they were made in the United Arab Emirates.

98 Bette  Fri, May 30, 2003 5:17:51am

Donna V

Sephora sells the full line of Ahava products. And they are fabulous!

99 Joel  Fri, May 30, 2003 5:27:27am

The rudest people I encountered in Europe were the Brussels citizens.

100 Joel  Fri, May 30, 2003 5:56:59am

Belgium has a murky past indeed when it comes to Jews. Belgian war criminals

101 poires_belle_helene  Fri, May 30, 2003 6:14:02am

The dutch ad says prettymuch the same thing as the french one. I think that this was covered already, though.

One could draw //s between the hatred between the flemish and walloon populations and that of the palestinian and Israelis. The flemish prettymuch felt as though they were subjugated by the invading french population who had the higher educational/economic/social status in Belgium. As a result, you have to have everything nowadays translated into both languages. (really confusing with the street signs in Brussels, or filling out forms, or attending school.)

Only times I ever heard the same ethnic jokes told in translation have been in France and in Holland, who both look down on the Belgians.

102 Sam I Am  Fri, May 30, 2003 6:33:41am

#56 Donna V

Try this...

Kosherline.com

103 Gordon  Fri, May 30, 2003 6:49:47am

#92 Debbie:

"Was this ad published anywhere but at the website itself?"

Good question, I didn't see any answer on the thread. Does anyone know. If it's just evil Palestinian propaganda, who cares? If it gets published by a Belgian mainstream paper, then the country has some problems.

On a previous thread it was revealed that the Belgian Muslim party got a miniscule percentage of the vote in a recent national election. Belgium is not about to be taken over by Sharia, as some hysterical previous posters have maintained (and neither is France, despite hysteria on the subject on this very thread).

The real problem is appeasement of the Arabs and resurgent anti-semitism. I think sticking a finger in the eye of the U.S. has something to do with it too. And that's as big a problem as the alleged takeover of Sharia.

104 eliyak  Fri, May 30, 2003 7:21:18am

#16-

Now you've made me go and search google groups for "zionazis."

Here, it looks like someone invented an Indymedia simulator:

READ THE WEB-SITE THAT THE KIKES TRY TO CENSOR

It mimicks their coherency and intelligence remarkably well.

105 poires_belle_helene  Fri, May 30, 2003 7:26:03am

Just was checking out links to this palestine action committee - there's a little bit on the parent organisation - the 11.11.11 group, but not a lot. It appears to be some sort of flemish anti globalisation activist coalition.

If I'm reading things correctly, it appears to be pushing a couple different agendas - first, ending the subjugation of the 'south' by the 'north' and second, getting more recognition of issues faced by the flemish people.

Again, the bulk of the site's in Dutch, and most of the orgs cited in this are flemish - so I'm wondering if there's anything to my thought on the flemish people projecting their grievances on the Israel/Palestine conflict.

106 poires_belle_helene  Fri, May 30, 2003 7:37:53am

[Link: www.11.be...]

Sorry, I'm fascinated by this.

Here's a little section that's set up like the "Boycott France" site - there was an 'action day' in March - and a list of cities/towns where manifestations would be taking place.

A few PDFs for signs and posters talking about the dirty trade with Israel. Also, what looks like a little crip sheet that you can get that has goods to boycott along with substitutions.

There is also a boycott list there.

107 Linguist  Fri, May 30, 2003 8:44:11am

I wish I could boycott Belgium, but it would create problems for me.

My wife's family is Belgian, and I need to stay on good terms with them. So boycotting Beligan goods may include my wife. ;)

However, if this is the sort of crap that is going to be published/accepted by Beligans, I may have to reconsider that. :)

108 Jim B  Fri, May 30, 2003 9:15:39am

First France and Germany jump on the anti-Semitism bandwagon again, now Belgium is rediscovering their lost love of Jew-hatred. Kind of makes me fear that Hitler did win in his campaign 60 years ago.

109 V. Valberg  Fri, May 30, 2003 3:45:33pm

Re: #41

There is no boycott, a bunch of people WANTED to install a boycott but nothing came of it, and the Israeli producers say they haven't noticed any drop in revenues since the so called boycott was initiated.

Look don't go around punishing the entire country because a few fucknuggets in the Steel and Industry Union (yeah that's right not even remotely related to food stuffs) decide that they want a boycott.

Incidentally the biggest Norwegian unions were declared hostile to Israel and several Union agents were deported from Israel as a result of this.

Oh and for more information on the attempted embargo read about How Iron and Metal workers try to mess up the work place of other unions, it is most enlightening.

Go on now, check my links, you'll feel better.

110 M-dot  Fri, May 30, 2003 9:23:20pm

This is retarded, a pro-Palestinian advocacy group publishes an ad promoting an anti-Israel boycott, and your response is to boycott an entire fucking country???

What did you want, the Belgian government to monitor and censor all ads that do not meet your (or their) approval?


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