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Antisemitism at Chicago Tribune

Mon, Jun 2, 2003 at 9:30:57 am PDT

The Chicago Tribune crossed the line today, with a truly vile antisemitic cartoon. Here it is.

The Chicago Sun Times is disgusted, and pulls no punches in their commentary:

Newspapers tend to ignore each other's faults with a there-but-for-the-grace-of-God-go-I shudder and silence. Or else they tweak their rivals in a playfully malicious way. Neither reaction is appropriate when confronted with the vile, blatantly anti-Semitic cartoon by Dick Locher the Chicago Tribune ran on its editorial page May 30.

In it, a grotesquely hook-nosed figure labeled with a Star of David--Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, perhaps--stands before a chasm labeled "Mideast Gulch.” A kneeling figure--President Bush, apparently--is carefully laying dollar bills across the bridge. The Sharon figure gazes at the money and says, "On second thought, the pathway to peace is looking a bit brighter.”

On the other side, patiently waits Yasser Arafat, arms crossed.

The cartoon's message--that Israel's interest in peace is sparked, not by a desire to end bloodshed, but by American cash--is a lie that sails beyond legitimate comment into a baseless slur. We recognize there is a distinction between opinions critical of Israel and anti-Semitism. But wherever that line is, Locher's cartoon, with its hump-backed, balloon-handed, hook-nosed Jew, steps far over it. The cartoon is like a swastika painted on a synagogue door, an act whose hostility and use of the shunned symbols of hate dwarf any shred of legitimate meaning. Printing it was a callous offense against all Chicago.
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1 Joe Jalbert  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:35:55am

Josef Geobbels is alive and well at the Trib.

2 James  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:37:58am

Sharon doesn't have a hook nose, to point out the obvious.

3 Zaide  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:38:01am

What's the name of the Chi Sun Times writer?
I'd like to send him an attaboy.

4 Lumiere  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:39:07am

Unfortunately, antisemitism at the Chicago Tribune has a long history together. It's never been a newspaper which was any way ever friendly with Jews or to Jewish interests, let alone to Israel. No self-respecting Jew should ever advertise in that newspaper or buy it.

5 osasha  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:39:10am

There was a discussion of anti-US cartoons in french newspapers some time ago on this site, where I stated that one can find the most vile anti-US cartoons right at home. Well, here's the proof.

6 Deathberg  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:40:40am

Anyone know if, by any chance, the cartoonist was black?

7 Roger L. Simon  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:40:47am

I'm personally going to try to find the email of this putrid anti-Semite Dick Locher and post it on here!

8 tupsox  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:41:26am

there goes my trib subscription, and hopefully those of all my friends. how disgusting....

9 Colt  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:42:15am

Man, those money-grabbing hook-nosed Yids are at it again.

/chicago tribune editorial

As if it needs saying, the idea that Israel has fought five major wars holding out for money.... I thought they were imperialist-colonialists bent on revenge on the Nazis via their brutal occupation of Palestinian lands. Or something.

10 Wild Justice  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:42:19am

Paging Reichbutan ...

Paging Reichbutan ...

How many minutes before he turns up?

11 Ayanami  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:42:59am

This comic wasnt nearly as bad as some of the other "roadmap to peace" blame-Israel comics up on cagle's site.

But it's very close to being among those of the worst. It's just not the very worst. I could look for what I thought was the most disgusting and dishonest, but I plan on eating food in a few minutes.

12 Colt  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:43:02am

Deathberg #6

Why?

13 iowahawk  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:44:06am

Hey, where's my tip-o-the-lid?

The Trib also runs frequent commentaries by Saalam Mukhwatil (sp ?), whose black community victimization-themed columns often descend into anti-'zionism' hallucinations.

14 Lumiere  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:44:18am

Here's a story which has some info on the boycott of the Tribune.
[Link: www.jewishsf.com...]

15 Shira  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:46:27am

Kudos to the Chicago Sun-Times.

As for that other, bigoted newspaper: bird-cage material.

16 Howard  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:47:38am

So much for the Trib...........

HG

17 Lumiere  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:47:38am

This is the kind of crap regularly published in the Tribune. BOYCOTT NOW!
[Link: www.commondreams.org...]

18 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:47:55am

Let's see - for the sake of accuracy, that should have been Arafat who was following the money while Sharon was dodging bullets while wearing a flak jacket on the far side, all while the Bush Admin was trying to prop up the bridge and Palestinian terrorists were stealing the bricks holding up the bridge.

But of course, it was Israel's love of money that is the source of the little snit between Palestinians and Israelis, not a genuine desire of the PA leadership to wipe Israel from the face of the earth.

Oh, and Egypt gets $2 billion, the Saudis billions, and Jordanians billions, in aid a year from the US, just so that the US cannot use their help in fighting terrorism, extremism, and supporting terrorism openly (if at all) because it would inflame the people who have been lied to for 60 years that Israel would be destroyed one more time if they had the chance.

19 Zaide  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:48:19am

OT sort of

Stand by for Breaking News

20 Yashar  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:48:21am

Trib Public Editor Don Wycliff apologized in Sunday's paper for the cartoon. But it is Wycliff's previous anti-Israel columns and editorials that set the stage for Locher's anti-semitic cartoon. Locher probably assumed that his cartoon was merely reflecting the thinking of the Tribune.

21 Charles  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:48:24am

iowahawk: sorry, I didn't get this from your comment (which I just saw a minute ago). I received 5 or 6 emails about the cartoon this morning; and the first one was from someone who wanted to stay anonymous.

22 Kelly  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:50:05am

It has long been a standard US diplomatic tactic of throwing money to parties in a dispute to bring them to the negotiating table.

Using a cartoon with a large nose in a suit to represent Sharron is boarding on bigotry. Its possible that the cartoonist, Dick Locher is not such a good artist and was not capable of properly depicting Sharron in any other way.

Its very apparent he could not draw arafat. The guy on the other side could be any terrorist that likes wearing a scarf and gun holster (the center of their manhood), which seems to be most of arab leadership for the past 80+ years.

Chicago Sun Times did a good job with their comments.

23 Charles  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:50:22am

The Trib's apology means nothing. That someone could let this cartoon be published at all is utterly despicable.

24 Wild Justice  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:50:42am

And is that supposed to be the Old City behind Arafat?

So he's in Jerusalem ... and Sharon isn't?

Hmmmmmmm.

25 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:50:57am

It would appear that his email address is

TRACYHQ@aol.com - based on a link over at Cagle's site.

26 George S.  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:51:17am

The Trib was wrong-headed when it was isolationist in the early 1940s, funny when it was error-prone in declaring Dewey victorious in 1948, but now it is just vicious. An isolated incident or a sign of growing coarseness and mean-spiritedness in our culture? I think the latter, but more among the "educated" elite than the blue-collar folks. Ain't history grand?

27 iowahawk  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:51:39am

Today's Trib cartoon is about as bad, a vile little number from Mike Lukovich (Atlanta Journal) that repeats the discredited BBC slander that the Jessica Lynch rescue was a Hollywood musical.

28 mariner  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:52:19am

Thanks, Charles.

I've sent thanks to the Sun-Times and condemnation to the Tribune.

29 HalfLife  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:55:45am

He's a middle-aged white guy - see the thumbnail here. It has a convenient "Email Dick" link, too.

30 iowahawk  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:00:10am

To be fair to the Trib (I'm a Chicagoan BTW), they have a lot of diversity on the OpEd page. The biggest problem is the pronounced leftward creep on the news pages in the past two years. Coincidentally, this is the parent company that brings you the execrable L.A. Times, easily the worst newspaper in North America.

Give me the blue collar tabloid Sun-Times anyday over the 'prestige' broadsheet Tribune.

31 Roger L. Simon  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:00:40am

So far dicklocher@tribune.com has not been returned (that seems to be their syntax). I'm going after that other horrendous (and vastly more powerful) anti-Semite Robert Novak on my blog.

www.rogerlsimon.com

32 J. Lichty  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:01:51am

Charles writes:

The Trib's apology means nothing. That someone could let this cartoon be published at all is utterly despicable.

Doesn't it always seem the case that the Newspapers are laughing at us every time they issue one of their corrections or "apologies." The damage has been done and some mealy mouthed ambiguous statement of mea culpa just does not cut it.

Is it just me or does Israel's acceptance of the suicide pact Roadmap, emboldened the media for a Tet style offensive against the Jews?

33 Lumiere  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:02:00am

This was a story the Tribune ran with almost exactly one year ago about the fact that some friends of Israel had the guts to question the medias portrayal of Israel. Please note the wide-spread use of sneer quotes:

Pro-Israel groups take aim at U.S. news media

By Tim Jones
Tribune staff reporter
Published May 26, 2002

The contentious issues of the Middle East have spilled over into the U.S.
media as pro-Israel organizations are pressuring news outlets, through
boycotts and other measures, to change the way they report on the
Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

The campaigns are motivated by the desire in Jewish communities that the
United States maintain its traditional support of Israel and by a concern
that media coverage of the Mideast, especially articles deemed sympathetic to
Palestinians, could weaken public backing for Israel and ultimately alter
U.S. policy.

News executives accused of having a pro-Palestinian bias respond that the
critics are not seeking evenhanded reporting but advocacy on behalf of Israel.

The ad hoc campaigns among Jewish organizations stretch from coast to coast.
They are directed at both large and small news operations, some with their
own correspondents in the Mideast and some that rely solely on The Associated
Press or other international news services. Organizers employ word of mouth
and the Internet to expand their campaigns. The result is a cascade of
e-mails, letters and phone calls to editors and ombudsmen at newspapers,
broadcast outlets and cable news channels.

"We've taken a big hit," said Jane Christo, general manager of National
Public Radio affiliate WBUR-FM, a highly rated station in Boston. WBUR, which
like NPR as a whole relies on individual donations, corporate sponsorship and
some government funding, has lost $1 million so far in canceled funding,
Christo said. "Things are still escalating in terms of underwriters not
renewing and in the amount of mail we get."

Subscription boycotts have been launched against The New York Times, the Los
Angeles Times, the San Francisco Chronicle and the Chicago Tribune. A Tribune
official said that since last October, 47 readers have canceled subscriptions
citing the newspaper's Middle East coverage. About 1,000 subscribers to the
Los Angeles Times, a Tribune Co. newspaper, suspended delivery for a day.
Officials with The New York Times and the Chronicle did not provide numbers
on lost subscriptions.

Aiming to bolster their arguments of bias in reporting and editing, Jewish
groups have either commissioned or conducted their own studies of news
coverage by at least two newspapers, the Tribune and the Chronicle.

In Minneapolis, a local organization recently bought a full-page ad in the
Star Tribune questioning why its news pages would not call Palestinian
suicide bombers "terrorists."

"No one has ever seen pressure like this before," said Jeffrey Dvorkin, the
ombudsman for Washington-based NPR. "In the last three months I've received
14,000 e-mails and 9,000 of them deal with the Middle East. E-mail traffic in
the last month has overwhelmingly accused us of having a pro-Palestinian
bias."

Rejecting bias accusations
Editors, station managers and ombudsmen concede that errors occasionally are
made, but they adamantly reject accusations of systematic bias. Some
characterize the pressure campaigns as an effort to intimidate the media and
draw attention away from Israeli government policies.

Chicago Tribune Editor Ann Marie Lipinski said she and other editors often
meet with critics of the paper's reporting. "I take them seriously," Lipinski
said of the criticisms. But she rejected suggestions that the Tribune's news
reporting is slanted against Israel.

"It's hard to imagine it's possible that there would be such a complete
failure on the part of experienced reporters to fairly and accurately report
the story," Lipinski said. "Are we fallible? Yes. Do we practice
institutional bias? Unequivocally no."

A boycott of The Washington Post is planned for mid-June, sponsored by a
group charging that the newspaper "favorably reports the position of
terrorists."

"The scope of this barrage raises an interesting question," Post ombudsman
Michael Getler wrote earlier this month. "Is it possible that so many major
American news organizations are getting this story wrong; that some sort of
national media conspiracy is at work here?

"That, of course, is not the case, and news organizations will persevere in
reporting this story in an unflinching, unintimidated fashion that reports
the news in the most accurate way possible for their entire readership."

The current Palestinian uprising, soon to enter its 21st month, receives far
more media coverage than the last intifada, which began in 1987. In the age
of the Internet, satellite television and expanding cable news operations,
powerful images from the conflict are distributed quickly into most every
home in America.

Intense efforts on both sides
Jewish organizations and a much smaller number of Palestinian advocacy groups
are mobilizing to influence the reporting of words and images that come from
the Middle East. The efforts at times resemble the work of campaign
consultants putting their spin on the day's political events. That
pro-Palestinian groups have now expanded their lobbying and public-relations
efforts is an added concern for pro-Israel groups.

"People who are pro-Palestinian have gained a fair amount of sophistication
in the communications efforts," said Phil Bronstein, executive editor of the
San Francisco Chronicle. "The Israelis have always been quite effective and
the balance has shifted, and I suspect that has been worrisome to those who
see their opponents being more effective."

Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, said many of
the "problems" with reporting from the Middle East are the result of
"ignorance, a lack of perspective, people [reporters] being parachuted in
without any background, history and perspective. And it shows in their
reporting," Foxman said.

Michael Kotzin, executive vice president of the Jewish Federation of
Metropolitan Chicago, said no media organization would ever admit bias but
that there "is a basis for legitimate criticism and finger-pointing."

"If they're not biased, that doesn't mean they're doing their job," Kotzin
said.

"Justice and truth is on Israel's side," he said. "Newspapers and other media
outlets don't help when [they create] sympathies for those who would destroy
Israel."

The absolute support for Israel and its actions expressed by Kotzin and other
passionate advocates, and their ensuing criticism of the media, lies at the
heart of the debate.

Newspapers, in their reporting as opposed to their opinion pages, see their
mission as presenting all sides of an issue or conflict fairly and not as
adopting the position of any one side. "If you look at the body of the work,
I defy anyone to say we're biased. It's not true," said James O'Shea, the
Tribune's managing editor. "They want us to be on their side. People are
unfairly criticizing them [the media] because they are not taking a side."

Often the specific complaints do not refer to articles or the news reporting
but to headlines, photographs and photo captions and to how and where the
various elements are displayed. A separate category of complaints has
centered on newspaper editorials and the op-ed commentary.

Some coverage in particular has angered Tribune readers. A front-page article
last August about an imprisoned Palestinian who had failed in a suicide
bombing attempt aimed to describe attitudes in the West Bank community of
Jenin, calling it "a hotbed of anti-Israeli sentiments and Islamic
fundamentalism."

For more of the article, click here:
[Link: groups.yahoo.com...]

34 Sean  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:02:46am
He's a middle-aged white guy - see the thumbnail here. It has a convenient "Email Dick" link, too.

Halflife- I'd say it should be "Email the dick".

35 centaur  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:02:55am

i stopped picking upthe trib months ago. It's editorial section has been extremely anti-israel. as iowahawk points out in #13, it's become unreedable invective.

36 Model4  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:03:16am

lawhawk:

Let's see - for the sake of accuracy, that should have been Arafat who was following the money while Sharon was dodging bullets while wearing a flak jacket on the far side, all while the Bush Admin was trying to prop up the bridge and Palestinian terrorists were stealing the bricks holding up the bridge.

He shoots, he scores!

Outstanding commentary by the Chicago Sun Times too, no matter their motives. That needed to be said.

37 fireman  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:06:36am

#31 Roger L. Simon

It would be more correct to refer to Novak as a self-hating Jew -- a Noam Chomsky of the right.

38 iowahawk  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:09:19am

Semi O/T: Is it just me, or do the worst political cartoonists alway land jobs with the most prestigious newspapers? Beyond Locher, there is/was WaPo's senile crayonmeister Herblock and LA Times' nonagenerian hate drooler Paul Conrad.

39 Buckeye  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:12:10am

This guy's anti-Israel outlook is not the issue, and discussion of it will tend to confuse matters. His portrayal of Sharon with stereotypical Jewish features is the real issue. This guy is a bigot. Let's focus on that.

40 Model4  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:12:56am

iowahawk:

Coincidentally, this is the parent company that brings you the execrable L.A. Times, easily the worst newspaper in North America.

Aha. That might just be the ticket to punch to get Bill O'Reilly on this story. He's been going round with the LA Times' for some time now.

"Tonight on The Factor: You won't believe what a paper owned by the LA Times printed just days ago, after their editor chastised the newsroom for ideological bias. Is liberal anti-Semitism on the rise? We'll discuss this with Charles Krauthammer after the beak and let you decide."

(Maybe the quote means both LAT and Chi are owned by the same, either way, it's an end for a guy with a large audience who's already mad in that general direction)

41 Roger L. Simon  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:16:15am

My bad-- diclocher@tribune.com came back undeliverable. Onwards for new email address.

42 Alf  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:17:32am

Big nose.
Star of David on his jacket.
Lusting for money.

What's next? Chrystal Nacht in Chicago?

43 Sean II  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:19:10am
44 JG  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:21:29am

OT:

Anyone notice the new FCC rule about increasing media ownership? I think it bodes very bad news to Jews and Israel as well because news will be consolidated and leveraged, so anything against Israel and the Jews will be magnified.

Today's cartoon is a perfect demonstration because of one company owning the 2nd and 3rd largest newspaper.

JG

45 Model4  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:23:19am

Oh, speaking of news corrections and apologies, I don't think the situation is going to get better until we start requiring them to be offered with the same placement and scale (at least) as the original offense. Lie, distort, get it wrong on the front page under a banner headline? Guess what, homey? That's how you've got to do up your correction. Second story on the evening news? Has to go in the same spot or earlier on the next night.

This BS of printing constant bile, then tucking away a correction in a corner somewhere else, has got to stop. If anything, it ought to get editors to start cracking the whip on their charges.

46 iowahawk  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:23:54am

#40 Model 4: The Chicago Tribune and LA Times are both owned by the Tribune Co (NYSE: TRB), As are New York Newsday, SoFla Sun-Sentinel, several other newspapers, TV/Radio stations (including WGN superstation) and, oddly enough, the Chicago Cubs.

47 hobgoblin  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:24:51am

Not to justify Locher's (another self-hating Jooo?) cartoon, but we should be grateful the Trib published it.

Why praise such a vile act?

Because now we know exactly where the Trib and Locher stand.

As a great man (Ted Nugent) once said, "Ya gotta let the stupid people talk, so you know who the stupid people are."

48 Laura Antoniou  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:25:43am

#20, Yashar
I read the "apology" and nowhere did I see an actual apology. Basically, Wycliff says, "Wow, that was sure one offensive cartoon," and brushes the whole thing off as one of those things. And you are right; he admits that the cartoon was chosen because the editor who chose it thought it accurately reflected the views of the board!
If you are registered at the Trib, you can find it at Wycliff
If you'd rather not register, I Fisk it at bit at my page, But How's the Coffee?
What a sobering picture to see. What a spineless, toothless reply to read.

49 hobgoblin  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:27:35am

Oh BTW, I'm sure the Arab News has already syndicated this cartoon for publishing themselves.

I've seen less offensive cartoons at true neo-nazi sites.

50 Mr. Right  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:31:09am

As a former subcriber to the Tribune, thanks for bringing this to my attention.

S*** like this, and guest editorialist "Salim Mukakakakakakakakiiiilllllll" (formerly Cletus E. Rudolph, exec with the communist rag "In These Times"), are exactly the reasons I cancelled the Tribune months ago.

We have been receiving the Sun-Times and are missing nothing but our frustration and anger at seeing this uninformed garbage in print.

51 Ranbutan  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:31:36am

The cartoon was a slur based on the hook-nosed caricature, but the money trail has a point.

Money buys clout.

Charles periodically brings up the 2 billion we give Egypt and accurately says we should have more clout for the money we give them...or we should take it away.

AIPAC advertises it's clout in getting politicians in the US to favor them, and points out strongly how important the money is in their efforts.

Israel's dependence on American aid DOES give us clout with them, and the 14 billion in US taxpayer dollars committed to Israel this year OUGHT to give us some voice in Israel helping us out, and with holding money from Israel if Israel bucks our ME interests is the same as AIPAC holding out money and support from a recalcitrant US politician.

Both sides in the ME expect US money before they will do things in our interest, or the interest of peace. A "what's in it for us" mindset. Camp David necessitated greasing both side's palms with billions before they would agree to peace. And, the way to the Road Map for Israel is encouraged by the billions that Israel cannot say "no" to.

As for caricatures, remember the last "safe" ethnic group to slur was the Arabs prior to 9/11. The big-nosed, shifty-eyed, stubble faced [bigoted word]s, conferring in their evil little groups while holding a bloody dripping dagger behind their backs. Which, if you look at things objectively, were every bit as vile and malicious a stereotype as the anti-semitic cartoons.

52 GF  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:31:54am

SF Chronicle

...while the Trib is disgusting, the SF Chronicle is much more subtle, refined, and sophisticated. EVERY DAY, in every way possible, it is made clear that the ONLY obstacle to peace is those damned Israelis. If only the Jews weren't so obstinant, we'd have already seen Valhalla years ago. Kumbaya at the Chronicle. Catch it every day.

53 Roger L. Simon  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:34:05am

#37, I have never seen a statement anywhere that Robert Novak is Jewish. If this is true, and you can show it to me, I would be glad to alter my post accordingly. Until then, I stand by it as written.

www.rogerlsimon.com

54 Maine's Michael  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:37:33am

Just to play devil's advocate, one can't be faulted for for jumping to the conclusion that something other than the lives of Israeli citizens is now upermost in Sharon's mind.

Of course, to suggest that it's money is offensive to the n-th. It's more like american pressure, not enticement.

When it comes to his handling of Israel, and all I can say is "'Fuck You', Mr. Bush, for not having the balls to stand up for your own principles, as articualted in your own pronouncements, and for not having the strength/wisdom to ignore your state department's advice on this (or almost any) subject, and pressuring a small country to sacrifice its citizens itself on the altar of arab oil power."

As for Sharon, he's between a rock and a hard place. Still, he could always resign if he can't take the heat, and leave it to the voters to elect someone who will do what needs to be done.

55 nevius  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:40:11am

well, there is only one word to describe that picture, false. It is a stupid attempt to undermine the Israeli government, and the newspaper should apologize because that is anti-semitism.

56 Victor of the Apes  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:40:26am

Im soooooo glad my family stopped buying the satellite shitwad of this newspaper.

57 Tim G.  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:41:31am

#47- I like the quote...Ted should have a blog.

The cartoon is vile and #42 lays out the reasons plainly.

Hard to believe in 2003.

58 Wild Justice  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:42:42am
The cartoon was a slur based on the hook-nosed caricature, but the money trail has a point.

Just like clockwork.

59 sharona  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:43:12am

This A$$-hat Locher was on Don Wade & Roma's WLS-AM 89 this morning, and I was amazed that they didn't challenge him as much as Don is a full-on Neo-Con. Don, to his credit, did read the Sun-Times' rebuke word-for-word, and he may have failed to let him have it on the air as he disclosed that he and his wife Roma have been friends with Locher for years. I am fairly certain that Don read him the riot act afterwards (at least I hope so!).

Locher's explanation was that he was merely trying to 'spark debate about how money seems to pave the road to peace on both sides', and that he and others ask where the 'billions' are that we send to Israel each year'. The fact that the money is being laid from the Israeli side over to Arafat, who stands smugly on the bridge's other side, betrays Locher's true message.

Not to make excuses for this putz, but I am not as offended by the physical portrayal of Sharon (to play devil's advocate, the hooked nose could be construed as a bird beak, portraying Sharon as a hawk, which is accurate) as I am by the portrayal of money being much more of a motivating factor for peace for the Israelis than for the palestinians (small 'p' on purpose as we all know, the state of "Palestine" has never existed). Any idiot knows that the funds we send to Israel is in recognition of their place as the sole democracy in the mid-East, and supports their effort to defend themselves as such in a region of theocratic tyrant-states dedicated to her destruction. The palis are the ones being bribed into peace, not Israel, and this cartoon distorts the reality of the situation into the pure delusion. That being said, I am somewhat concerned that if we pick on the 'trees' instead of the 'forest' we will be playing into the hands of those who believe that we neo-cons label any and all criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism. We have to be careful of where we pick our fights so that the power and truth of our message is strengthened, not weakened.

60 Daniel  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:43:59am

#47 hobgoblin

I couldn't agree more.


This whole thing has got me thinking about the issue of antisemitism in America. From what I have seen, antisemitism here is very different from the Middle East. Whereas the Arabs truly hate Jews for being Jews, in America antisemitism is closely tied into domestic political partisanship. Since Bush and the Republicans have been more openly supportive of Israel, the country and the Jews have found themselves the victims of guilt by association among the Left.

I have a suspicion that if Bush suddenly switched allegiences and came out in support of the Palestinians, it would not be too long before many of the anti-israel crowd would being to condenm him for siding with terrorists against poor Israel who is only looking for religious freedom. There are, of course, many exceptions to this, but I don't recall the level of anti-Israel invective coming out of the US during the Clinton administration as anything close to that of today.

61 fireman  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:45:47am

#53 Roger Simon

Here's one source about Novak's Jewish background -- I don't believe he was given religious education, but as I recall, his mother was Jewish.

[Link: www.thejewishpress.com...]

62 Lumiere  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:46:19am

"#37, I have never seen a statement anywhere that Robert Novak is Jewish. If this is true, and you can show it to me, I would be glad to alter my post accordingly. Until then, I stand by it as written."

Roger,
Novak was born Jewish. He converted to Catholicism sometime in the 1980's I believe. He and his family grew up on the old West Side of Chicago. According to my late father, Novak's older brother was OK. He coached some sort of kids sport team which my father was part of. My father did not remember Robert but always referred to him as "that schmuck." Seems about the right description of him.

63 Wild Justice  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:47:29am

And Arbeit macht frei, eh, Reichbutan?

64 Beth  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:48:52am

#37 & #53

I believe Robert Novak was raised in a Jewish home, but was never a devout, practicing Jew.

I do know for a fact that he's a convert to Catholicism, as I frequently run into him at the local Catholic Church in Fenwick Island, Delaware, where he and his wife have a summer home.

Knowing that he's a convert, I asked him about this after Mass one Sunday last summer and he told me that it's a relatively recent occurence and that he literally had a spiritual epiphany that led him to Catholicism.

Now, one the question of whether he's an anti-Semite, I suppose debate can be had. In my mind, there's no question that he's vehemently anti-Israel, but whether there's a link between that and his upbringing, is anyone's guess.

65 Roger L. Simon  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:49:24am

Thanks for update on Novak--I had found it myself as well. This only makes him worse, in my view, and I have updated my post on my blog accordingly.

www.rogerlsimon.com

66 The Sage  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:50:31am

What strikes me is the typical, but by that token no less offensive, insinuation that Arafat is just calmly waiting for the Israelis to come around and extend their hand in friendship--as though Israeeli intransigence is the source of the impasse, rather than Arab rejectionism.

They've extended their hands in peace, and lost enough fingers in the process, that it only seems right that Arafat "cross the bridge" and meet Sharon on the other side.

67 kid charlemagne  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:51:27am

(#47, #53) Robert Novak's physiognomy and manner strongly suggest to me that he is of Jewish origin. Dick Locher, however, strikes me as a German gentile name; and even self-hating Jews don't usually indulge in this debased kind of caricature.

68 NC  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:52:50am

Lumiere, Beth, Roger--One further note on Novak: he converted under the tutelage of Father John McCloskey, who's well known for his exceptionally, uh, "conservative" brand of Catholicism and for his membership in Opus Dei.

69 fireman  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:55:47am

Roger L. Simon

On another website, which I did not reference, it indicated Novak converted to Catholicism in the 1970s.

70 James  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:56:14am

#54,

It's well know that Robert Novak is Jewish, although he converted to Catholicsm about 6 or 7 years ago. If you'll find me a person Jewish or non-Jewish who would agree this makes him non-Jewish, I'll agree with you.

For my part I have no problem calling a Jew antisemitic if that's what he is. A Jew can be antisemitic just as an American can be anti-American.

71 Q  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 9:01:08am

Question for Ranbutan:

Do you realize that the best possible outcome of the whole "roadmap" insane charade would be the creation of uber-welfare queen of a statelet? A truly bottomless money sinkhole? And an untouchable terrorist haven and breeding ground, to boot? Just curious.

Or it's all good, as long as the Jews get the shaft?

72 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 9:04:02am

Money trails? How about following all of the money, not just the amount that can be traced to Israel.

Is that too difficult to accomplish? Not in the slightest - heck even the Palestinian Authority is trying to show that it can budget everyone's contributions to their organization (I can't bring myself to call it a government because it has clearly shown that it cannot govern).

What is apparent is that there are people willing to bend over backwards to complain that Israel is taking money and should accept whatever deal is put forth, while few conditions are placed on the PA because they're in such a delicate position.

Their delicate position, plainly stated is that they've failed to tell their 'governed' that they cannot have all of the grandiose demands their leaders have requested for the last 50+ years. People are going to be mightly annoyed that their 'campaign promises' are trashed. Oh wait, they can't campaign because there is no elected offical to kick out. They're only left with the whining and seething that we, in the US, politely call the Arab Street (which I know is neither Arab, nor a street because it is refugee camp after refugee camp of Palestinians who've been suckered yet again by an outsider running the show - Arafat).

73 Lively  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 9:07:09am

James

A Jew can be antisemitic just as an American can be anti-American.

Excellent point.

74 AB  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 9:08:42am

EVERY major newspaper that I know of is antisemetic - or Jew hating. NY Times, LA Times, Chicago Tribute, Toronto Star and whatever.
I'm going to have to guess that the small town papers are no better.

Oh, and update on that "I lie in class and spread lies". I got a C+ in that class, which is odd because I got As on all my assignments. I didn't get any grades as low as that for any other class. Know what I can do if I think my grade is based on bias?

75 fireman  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 9:09:18am

This is now over on Andrew Sullivan's website. Now, maybe Glenn Reynold's can pick it up an Instapundit?

76 Bleeding heart conservative  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 9:22:10am

They keep forgetting that Arafathead is a billionaire.

Damn, the more I think, what a beast of a man... whines about his suffering people and doesn't use his money to create jobs or build, just to buy more hatred.

Damn him.

77 iowahawk  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 9:22:44am

#74 AB

EVERY major newspaper that I know of is antisemetic - or Jew hating. NY Times, LA Times, Chicago Tribute, Toronto Star and whatever. I'm going to have to guess that the small town papers are no better.


You would be guessing wrong. For some reason, the hayseed editorial writers at hooterville rags like The Oklahoman and the Arkansas Democrat Gazette recognize Pali evil when they see it. The cause of 'Palestine' seems popular only with the sophisticated ilk that write for NYTimes, the LATimes, the Chron, the Trib, ad nauseum.

Another one of those ideas that so stupid that it takes an intellectual to believe in it.

78 Lumiere  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 9:32:09am

Hey Roger,
Just looked at your comments about Novak on your blog. You wrote, "Evans & Novak used to be called “Evans and No Facts!” Actually, they used to be called "Errors and No Facts."

Lumiere

79 Shira  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 9:37:37am

Money trail, indeed. The Jerusalem Post ran an article some time ago about Arafat's immense wealth. One wonders how much of it was intended for the people he supposedly leads.

Julius Streicher appears to be alive and well at the Chicago Tribune.

80 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 9:39:03am

Nothing like watchingth eidiotic show on Cable Nazi News "Capital Gang" where three out of four regulars are Israel bashers, Robert Novak, the jowly Mark Shileds, and mop top Al Hunt.

81 Steven H.  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 9:46:33am

#30 iowahawk

Give me the blue collar tabloid Sun-Times anyday over the 'prestige' broadsheet Tribune.

I agree completely. The people that run the Sun-Times actually understand they live in Chicago.

I read the Sun-Times editorial and almost cheered aloud. I didn't only because I was in the local diner at the time.

82 Sean  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 9:50:56am

Wild Justice, did you draw the three rings of Kosher salt around you before you called up "He who must not be named?"

83 Wild Justice  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 9:56:23am

#82   Sean 

No, but I had herring last night and lox this morning!

84 HalfLife  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 10:02:19am

#74 AB

I'm assuming you're in college? Draft a letter to the professor, submitting copies of your graded graded papers, exams, etc., suggesting that you don't see a reason for your final grades. Send a copy to the professor's boss - the department head. Ask for a meeting to discuss this. (If the prof is the department head, cc the dean above him or her.)

If you don't hear back from the professor within a week, set up a meeting with the department head or dean to discuss it, and send a note to the professor that you have done so.

Also - do you have an academic advisor? They should be notified as well, and may be useful for backup.

85 Ranbutan  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 10:08:32am

#71 - Q, you are correct, the Palestinians are even bigger welfare queens than the Egyptians or the Israelis. The difference being they get most their coinage from elsewhere, while we are the main providers to the Egyptians and Israelis. What will happen? The Pals will still get their checks, but as a state, there will be less willingness than when they were Stateless, Suffering, Innocent, Refugees....or whatever other language the Arabs and Euroweenies prefer to justify the stipends.

And an untouchable terrorist haven and breeding ground, to boot? Just curious.

Or it's all good, as long as the Jews get the shaft?

You miss the point with a formal government and state, real borders...a mortar attack or suicide bomber linked to the State of Palestine can trigger the defensive response most countries deem acceptable....sending in the F-16s is acceptable against a state, not against refugee camps or a population under military occupation already. The Pals become MUCH more touchable for acts of violence once they are a state..and much more to lose economically from their sugar daddies for such acts, and are less prone to tolerate insane Uncle Abdul saying it would be a good idea to launch a rocket across the border and thus invite the F-16s in.

Your feelings that the current status quo of an indefensible Israel is preferable to borders and normal state business is a good demonstration of the notion of "Jews getting the shaft" as justification to block any change......has contributed to the morass.

86 Wild Justice  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 10:09:11am

#74   AB 

Were you the student who posted a few months back about having an argument with his/her French teacher in French? That was one of the funniest posts I've ever read.

87 hans ze beeman  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 10:10:01am

#67: kid charlemagne

Dick Locher, however, strikes me as a German gentile name; and even self-hating Jews don't usually indulge in this debased kind of caricature.

I checked the biography of this "cartoonist":

Born in Dubuque, Iowa, Locher studied art at the Chicago Academy of Fine Art and the Art Center of Los Angeles. Locher and his wife Mary live in suburban Chicago. Their son Steve and daughter Jana also live in the area.

But what is even MORE strange:

Dick Locher's ability to capture the absurdities of life through political cartooning is known world wide. His impact as a widely recognized cartoonist and commentator on American life is seen in the numerous awards he has received, including the Pulitzer Prize.

See here.

88 e  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 10:18:35am

Regarding Novak:

[Link: www.catholicity.com...]


Mr. Novak, who abandoned his Jewish faith in college, says he was spiritually seeking when he met the priest in the mid-1980s.

"We'd talk a little bit about politics and a little bit about faith," the columnist says, "and he'd give me some reading material. He was a great inspiration, as one doesn't turn to the Catholic faith these days for fashionable purposes."

89 Model4  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 10:31:34am

#74 AB: Depending on circumstances, you might also contact F.I.R.E to see what they advise. They specialize in students getting the shaft from liberals trying to use "speech codes" and grades as weapons. thefire.org is, I think, the link.

90 RF  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 10:31:56am

I'm another Christian who sees that this is hateful and anti-Semitic. A respectable newspaper has no business spreading bigotry, and yet is what the Chicago Tribune has done.

This should be a good test of how far the anti-Semites are allowed to go in the US.

We need to come down on this one hard.

91 Ariel  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 10:34:06am

hans ze beeman #87,

including the Pulitzer Prize.

The Pulitzer is given by the School of Journalism at Columbia University, home of Edward Said, Joseph Massad, "million Mogadishus" man, etc. Like the Nobel, it's been more and more of a political prize - you have to have the "right" politics (which are, of course, not of the right) in order to win.

***

This cartoon is really disgusting. To those who believe that every point of view should be expressed, I have to ask whether they think that a stereotyped black person would be seen as acceptable. In America, we know damn well that you don't call them "stupid n*****s" or some other retarded insult in any even marginally mainstream form of media; would it be too much for the same courtesy to be extended to Jews?

92 J. Lichty  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 10:36:56am

I have a suspicion that if Bush suddenly switched allegiences and came out in support of the Palestinians, it would not be too long before many of the anti-israel crowd would being to condenm him for siding with terrorists against poor Israel who is only looking for religious freedom.

Wrong they would castigate him for being too pro-israeli like they do now. There is no amount of judenhass that is too much for that crowd.

93 Ranbutan  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 10:37:40am

#72

1.Palestinian Pol Science 101 - Money matters
2.AIPAC Pol Science 101 - Money matters
3.US Wealthy Pol Science 101- Money Matters
4.Israeli Pol Science 101 - Money matters
5.Egyptian Pol Science 101 - Money matters


Zionist crowd - Discussion of items 1, 3, and 5 is permissable. Discussion of items 2 and 4 is impermissible and anti-semitic because it fosters Jewish stereotypes - of money mattering in advancing Israel's interests or money donors having clout in return for money.

Lawhawk - Money trails? How about following all of the money, not just the amount that can be traced to Israel.

Is that too difficult to accomplish? Not in the slightest - heck even the Palestinian Authority is trying to show that it can budget everyone's contributions to their organization (I can't bring myself to call it a government because it has clearly shown that it cannot govern).

What is apparent is that there are people willing to bend over backwards to complain that Israel is taking money and should accept whatever deal is put forth, while few conditions are placed on the PA because they're in such a delicate position.

The Pals avoid needed scrutiny by Arabs & Euros, who are totally derelict - in auditing and correcting the Pal's rife corruption and diversion of aid to terrorism. We rightly bring up the US Gov'ts failure to correct Egypt's corruption and squandering of it's aid. However, many posters say all mention of the billions Israel gets is a forbidden subject - or the US using such aid as a lure or a club by way of sanctions (the threat of which helped drive Israel to accepting the Road Map) is unacceptable. Using clout that Israel should be exempt from - It is OK to pressure other nations in return for US aid or backing...but anti-semitic or something to treat Israel the same way. They wish to apply a rule... "Don't you know how special we are??? The rules of money acceptance shouldn't apply to us!"

The money had everything to do with Camp David. The money has everything to do with the Road Map. Bribing both sides to do actions that make a peace that serves US interests is sleazy, it sounds ugly that both the Arabs and the Israelis eagerly grub for external monies....and commit to certain behaviors in a quid pro quo - but it is the real world.

One of these days, I hope that we can wean all three welfare queens - the Pals, Israelis, and Egyptians - off the world's tit (more accurately their respective sponsors) and put the money where it is truly direly needed - Africa, and other major needy spots in the developing world....like New Guinea, East Timor, Afghanistan. No one, to my knowledge, has stated that perpetual aid to Israel, Egypt, and the Palestinians is some divine right. At some point, all three have to make it on their own and stop sucking on their benefactor's tits.

94 Model4  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 10:38:18am

Hmm, how long til an Indymedia spawn posts "'Charles' Johnson proudly displays anti-Semitic imagery on his hate-site"?

Man I hate those tools.

95 Dom  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 10:42:25am

This is a sharp, purposeful prodding at the limits of acceptability. From what has happenned in Britain, I would guess that others you wouldn't expect to, will be eager to try the same kind of thing.

96 Ariel  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 10:42:43am

Model4 #94,

Hmm, how long til an Indymedia spawn posts "'Charles' Johnson proudly displays anti-Semitic imagery on his hate-site"?

Compared to their shiite, this cartoon makes Jews look like angels.

97 Frank IMC  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 10:43:17am

Here's a profile shot, to remove any doubt about the "cartoonist":

Ariel Sharon?

Ooops, now how did that happen? Let's try that again, now...

Ariel Sharon's Joooish-Six Hooked Schnozola

98 Ranbutan  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 10:48:22am

#82 Sean

Wild Justice, did you draw the three rings of Kosher salt around you before you called up "He who must not be named?"

So intimidated, Sean? Sort of like saying Yahweh?

Growing up in a town with a hefty Jewish population, kosher salt beat all heck out of Morton's in our household, and bagels were a staple...the supreme version of course being sesame-toasted and topped with Philly, shaved red onion, and smoked raw fish (Lox).

The religious connotations of 3 rings of salt are clear. Remember though that Christians, sans any religiousity, are fond of putting salt on the backs of garden slugs.

That is cryptic. If you sense a deeper meaning, like three circles.....ponder away.

99 hans ze beeman  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 10:50:12am

#91: Ariel

The Pulitzer is given by the School of Journalism at Columbia University, home of Edward Said, Joseph Massad, "million Mogadishus" man, etc. Like the Nobel, it's been more and more of a political prize - you have to have the "right" politics (which are, of course, not of the right) in order to win.

Thanks for the reminder, I forgot that. Btw, one more question: is Sigma Delta Chi also anti-semitic, they provided even more prizes for this Locher dude...

100 Ariel  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 10:56:51am

hans ze beeman #99,

I have no idea who Sigma Delta Chi is. Sorry!

And I didn't mean to imply that the Columbia School of Journalism is necessarily antisemitic, so much as it's a bastion of far-left "thought"; at times these are indistinguishable positions, but not necessarily so.

101 Attila  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 10:57:09am

More on Novak's being born Jewish. The Washingtonian Magazine this month has a piece on him called "The Conversion of Bob Novak," which unfortunately isn't on their website. I don't have the stomach to read junk like this, but I skimmed far enough into it to see this:


Novak's parents were secular Jews who attended synagogue on high holy days but were not otherwise part of the small Jewish community in Joliet, Illinois. "Everybody thought they were Polish instead of Jewish," says Novak's cousin Lucille Blass, whose family was observant. His parents did see to it that he went to Hebrew school and had his bar mitzvah, but the rabbi's teachings never took.
"I was not drawn to Judaism at all," Novak says. "I found the same thing in Judaism as a young boy as I did later in the Unitarian church and then at the Episcopal church. They seemed very ungodly. The clergymen seemed very secular."


(I don't doubt that at all, by the way.)

My brother keeps a list of people he wishes weren't Jewish and people he's glad aren't Jewish, so I guess Novak must be on both lists. All I can say is "Feh!"

-- Attila

102 Wild Justice  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 11:00:22am

Ranbutan,

No one is intimidated by you. Stop flattering yourself.

103 HalfLife  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 11:01:09am

Sigma Delta Chi appears to be part of the "Society of Professional Journalists." Of course, journalists may be "anti-Zionist," but they're not antisemitic. Never! They're objective. Objectively anti-Zionist.

For instance, the "Reporters without Borders" report that Israel has a less free press than the territories and Lebanon. There's objective reporting for you!

104 Deathberg  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 11:02:19am

#103, maybe that's because Arabs are too incompetent to enforce regulations against journalists.

105 HalfLife  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 11:02:48am

Oh, sorry, the link to SDX is here.

106 GF  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 11:10:33am

#98--couldn't agree with you more (about the recipe, that is).

107 Sean  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 11:13:29am
So intimidated, Sean? Sort of like saying Yahweh?

Hardly, ad-hominem spouting coward.

108 Sean  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 11:17:31am
Growing up in a town with a hefty Jewish population,

I can read it now, "Some of my best friends are Jews!"

109 Frank IMC  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 11:18:20am

I wouldn't worry about him too much. He's just frustrated because he misses the days when he was on a submarine, filled with semen.

110 Frank IMC  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 11:19:12am

OOOOPS!

Should have been:

"...on a submarine which was filled with seamen."

111 Aaron S.  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 11:22:40am

Der Sturner is back!

112 Deathberg  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 11:26:10am

The ADL says:

The Chicago Tribune has made several attempts to acknowledge concerns raised by ADL and others in response to the May 30, 2003 editorial cartoon by former Tribune artist Dick Locher...

"Former" Tribune artist? Has Locher lost his job over this?

113 CastorOil  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 11:34:50am

The dick's email address is "TRACYHQ@aol.com"
He is the Pulitzer dick behind "The John Locher Memorial Award competition for student editorial cartoonists" - that's how he breeds future little dicks.

What's next? The Chicago Tribune printing cartoons borrowed from Arab media portraying Jews as pigs, monkeys, bloodsuckers, Christ killers (we've already seen that in a cartoon not too long ago).

The major newspapers, and media are slowly but surely innoculating the American and Canadian public to increasing doses of tolerable, acceptable, if not plain fashionable anti-Semitism. And if this venom is repeated enough, it becomes the stuff that our kids would have grown up with, taken for granted, as folk tales and libels against Jews have perpetuated for centuries in Europe and the Muslim world.

Now is the time to stop the Nazification of the media.

114 Teacake  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 11:35:23am

Saddest thing about it is part of the roadmap obligates Israel to fork over billions in restoration and repreations. I feel very sorry for Sharon, he has THE toughest job on the face of the earth. No one else can compare to the pressures he is under, the balancing act of nations demands, and I"m surprised he hasn't had a heart attack by now.

115 Caton  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 11:39:04am

#93 Ranbutan

I have good news for you. Today the construction of a new settlement, called Guevaot Bar, has started. In October 25 Jewish families will settle there. By January there should be a couple hundred Jewish families settled in Guevaot Bar.

Happy?

116 Buckeye  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 11:40:03am

My brother in law has a family name of Loecher and he lives in a charedi (ultra-orthodox) town in Israel. So Locher can be a Jewish name.

117 Alf  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 11:50:41am

#115 Caton (or anyone else)

Do you know where I can get a map of Israel (and area) which shows where the disputed settlements are?

Charles linked us to a recent map of the general area this weekend, but I'd like to see where the settlements are.

Thanks,
Alf

118 Alice  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 11:55:14am

try this for a start, Alf

[Link: www.lib.utexas.edu...]

119 Caton  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 11:58:17am

#117 Alf

Here.

120 liberalhawk  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 12:02:21pm

91 said et al are in the Mid east studies dept at Columbia - as mid east studies watchers have pointed out these depts are problems at many american universties. I dont think it makes sense to imply that all of Columbia Univ is anti-semitic because of the ME studies dept. Depts at major private universities have plenty of autonomy - at the university i attended sociology dept and most of humanities was marxists and other leftist, econ was moderate liberals, and Poli sci included some strong conservatives alongside some liberals.

121 Bradster  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 12:02:48pm

sean, 108, actually I think it would go, some of his best friends are kikes...

122 Craig  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 12:03:23pm

I saw that Dick Locher's cartoon yesterday while browsing Cagle's collection at Slate, and I thought it was from al-Ahram of Egypt or a Saudi paper. I was dumbstruck when I looked at the credits and saw it was published by the Tribune company.

If the hook nose and the big star of David wasn't offensive enough, Locher even threw in the greedy Jew stereotype. It was the typical imagery used by the Third Reich in depicting Jews.

This cartoonist Locher is a classic. A classic anti-Semite.

123 Frank IMC  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 12:03:59pm

Alf -

Re "disputed settlements", here's a map of the biggest one:

Settlement

124 Colt  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 12:12:42pm

Speaking of maps, there was a post a while back using photos to demonstrate the folly of a Pal state. There was a picture of where Israel is at its narrowest, with the Judea & Samaria rise next to it. If anyone remembers what I'm talking about, or posted the link, please please email me.

125 sjm  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 12:13:42pm

here's your Boycott Tribune link:
[Link: www.tribunewatch.com...]
Here's the cartoonist:

Richard E Locher
TRACYHQ@aol.com
Naperville, IL
(630) 355-8777



www.tribunewatch.com...]>

Blame the pinhead Locher but Trash the Tribune, who blamed 9/11 on Israel/Jews and have been bashing Israel/Jews since their founding by the lifetime anti-smite Colonel McCormick. They are vile. Thank God for the SunTimes, owned by Lord Conrad Black, a staunch, fearless supporter of Israel and an enemy to the Islamofanatic threat and the spineless who support them.
thanks Charles for you wonderful Beacon

126 Sean  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 12:19:51pm

Thanks for the map Caton. It's strange to me that I can ride across Israel twice over on a Summer training ride on a bike. Such a small space to be so important...

127 RC neo-Jew  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 12:40:24pm

Remember the antisemitic cartoon published in Der Independent Sturmer in Britain?

Along with many other people, I wrote a letter of complaint to the Press Complaints Commission. The PCC, however, couldn't see anything wrong with it. 'Seems perfectly alright to us', they said.

What can anyone do to convince them that this stuff is antisemitic and is not acceptable?

Had the PCC been around in Germany in the 1930's, they would have said the same about the cartoons being published then.

128 RC neo-Jew  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 12:53:13pm

Also, Locher is a poor quality cartoonist. His drawing of Arafat looks nothing like him - he has given Arafat a nose resembling the effect of a child blowing a piece of bubble gum. In reality, his nose is a strange, pointy, purple object.

129 Ranbutan  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 12:53:37pm

#109 - Frank IMC

I wouldn't worry about him too much. He's just frustrated because he misses the days when he was on a submarine, filled with semen.

The old saying, 100 men go down in a sub for 6 months, and 50 couples emerge.

Frank IMC...you seem to have missed your calling.

#115 Caton writes- #93 Ranbutan

I have good news for you. Today the construction of a new settlement, called Guevaot Bar, has started. In October 25 Jewish families will settle there. By January there should be a couple hundred Jewish families settled in Guevaot Bar.

Happy?

Probably more so than you will be after Acqaba. No clue on my part if Guevaot Bar is an extension of an existing colony or a new one that even the Israeli Gov't declared illegal....but the word is that Sharon will pledge to remove all illegal settlements and all illegal activity in colonizing Arab land since March, 2001.

You are safe in France. I doubt any risk exists that someone will evict you from your baneule. The case may be different for your friends. The days of "immutable facts on the ground" seem to be gone.

130 James  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 12:57:00pm

"The days of "immutable facts on the ground" seem to be gone. "

Your roadmap is DOA. Do you think Israel continues to make concessions while terrorism continues? Settlements are hardly "gone" because Sharon announced his intention to break up a couple of trailor parks.

- Mitchell
- Zinni
- Tenet
- Roadmap

Forgive me if I mixed up the order or forgot some other plans (wasn't there an Al Haig plan?).

131 JLM  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 1:02:56pm

Ran Ran go away
don't come back another day
your jew-hate aint cool today
Ran Ran go away

132 Ranbutan  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 1:12:58pm

#114 Teacake

Saddest thing about it is part of the roadmap obligates Israel to fork over billions in restoration and repreations. I feel very sorry for Sharon, he has THE toughest job on the face of the earth. No one else can compare to the pressures he is under, the balancing act of nations demands, and I"m surprised he hasn't had a heart attack by now.

I agree. While no one was a bigger proponent of the Settlements that make Israel indefensible from assymetric warfare, Sharon pushed them with a good heart, thinking "facts on the ground" would eventually lead to annexation. The world has changed, and to preserve Israel's existence, Sharon must make hard calls and defend them against the religious fanatics on both sides.

133 Ranbutan  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 1:17:00pm

JLM Ran Ran go away
don't come back another day
your jew-hate aint cool today
Ran Ran go away.

JLM, JLM give it a pass.
The world can't be at peace,
As long as a each rabid Zionist
Has his head up his ass.

134 PIGLET  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 1:17:29pm

At first glance the roadmap is a disaster because it will prevent Israel from responding after the attacks that are sure to continue. Israel cannot under the roadmap destroy houses.

135 Jeff S.  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 1:45:49pm

Not to defend the perp here, but Sharon's nose could possibly be interpreted as a hawk's beak, as opposed to the classic Jew-slandering hooked nose. Of course, this reprieve is vitiated by the primary message of the cartoon, Sharon as the money-grubbing Jew.

136 Jheka  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 1:49:39pm

Here is the Tribune's mea-culpa, for what it's worth (which isn't much):

Don Wycliff
When a cartoon offends readers


Published June 1, 2003


In my nine years as the Tribune's editorial page editor, the moments of greatest controversy and personal anguish all were the result of editorial cartoons.

In the early `90s there was the late Jeff MacNelly's irreverent depiction of the thoughts of a group of Catholic priests as they watched the singer Sinead O'Connor on television. That one prompted then-Cardinal Joseph Bernardin to take up the cudgels against the newspaper--and made me wish I had a bunker instead of an office.

A bit later on there was another MacNelly panel in which he compared Slobodan Milosevic's Serbs in Yugoslavia to a barnyard animal wallowing in filth. That brought a torrent of angry phone calls and a number of visits from members of the local Serbian community.

In the late `90s MacNelly hit upon a visual device with which to hammer a Monica-bedeviled Bill Clinton: He drew the lantern-jawed president naked, except for a necktie that covered his private parts. Result: another torrent of rancorous phone calls.

The editorial cartoon is a permanent stranger in its own environment.

With written material--editorials, commentary articles, even letters to the editor--we nip, tuck, trim, fine-tune and adjust so that the piece will say just what the writer and editor want it to say, no more and no less.

The best editorial cartoons, by contrast, have all the nuance and delicacy of a stick in the eye.

But even at its roughest and bluntest, there are lines that a cartoon should not cross. On Friday, our editorial page ran a cartoon that crossed all the lines.

Drawn by former Tribune cartoonist Dick Locher, the cartoon depicted President George W. Bush on one knee on a bridge over what was labeled "Mideast Gulch." The president is laying down a carpet of bills--U.S. currency, presumably--in front of a portly male figure with a large, aquiline nose and clad in a black suit marked with the Star of David.

As a Yasser Arafat-like figure looks on with arms crossed, the black-suited man--is he Ariel Sharon? a generic Israeli? a generic Jew?--remains riveted on the money, and says, "On second thought, the pathway to peace is looking a bit brighter."

Locher could not be reached for comment Friday evening.

But editorial page editor Bruce Dold said, "I think Dick Locher intended to comment on the influence the U.S. can exert through the foreign aid it provides to Israel. I think that's all Locher intended. But the cartoon carried several other messages that could be seen as drawing on anti-Semitic symbols and stereotypes. It also implied that the U.S. is bribing Israel to support the road map to peace, but there is simply no evidence to support that. On those levels, the cartoon failed."

Did it ever.

The telephones began ringing early and continued to ring late. E-mail inboxes started to show that telltale subject line: "cartoon."

Some callers identified themselves as Jewish; some did not. But all identified themselves as offended.

"One need not be a supporter of either Ariel Sharon or many current policies of the state of Israel to be deeply offended by today's editorial cartoon, which suggests that money alone is the incentive for Israel/Sharon to engage in peace talks," wrote long-time Chicago political activist Don Rose.

"The cartoon is blatantly anti-Semitic, reinforcing the long-held racist image of Jews as avaricious and greedy."

My own reaction was very much the same as Rose's. It is no secret to readers of this column that I have been no fan of Sharon and his policies. But I was jolted when I looked at the cartoon and saw that figure with the hooked nose, the Star of David and those words (particularly since money has never been the decisive issue in the Middle East dispute).

Since the Tribune does not currently have a staff editorial cartoonist, each day's cartoon is selected from a batch bought from various syndicates. Locher's cartoons come through Tribune Media Services.

Dold was out of town on Thursday, so the selection of Friday's cartoon fell to his deputy, John McCormick, with help from Voice of the people editor Dodie Hofstetter. McCormick said he settled on the Locher cartoon because the policy issue it depicted--the use of U.S. aid to influence the Israeli government--was one that had often been discussed in editorial board debates.

There is no question in my mind that McCormick and Hofstetter, two of the most honorable people I have ever worked with, did not knowingly try to smuggle an anti-Semitic cartoon into the newspaper.

But that this cartoon did indeed give grievous offense to many good people is beyond question.


Notice that Wycliff neither promises to never use Locher's work again or to fire or even discipline any of the individuals responsible for running anti-semitic filth in the Tribune. All in all, par for the course.

137 Ariel  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 2:02:00pm

Jheka #136,

Interesting that he vacillates between "aquiline" and "hooked" as adjectives for the nose. The one could indicate the hawkish sentiment that some believe, the other would be simple bigotry. Sounds like the editor was unsure of what stand he was taking.

138 zulubaby  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 2:04:18pm

JLM, JLM give it a pass.
The world can't be at peace,
As long as a each rabid Zionist
Has his head up his ass.

So now world peace depends on the Jews too! Wow, we really are powerful.

You, on the other hand, are slime.

139 ploome  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 2:13:26pm

#99 Hans ze Beeman, you ask....

Btw, one more question: is Sigma Delta Chi also anti-semitic, they provided even more prizes for this Locher dude...

is there any question in your mind this cartoon is anti semitic....pure judenhass.?

how would you describe people who give this cartoonist awards..?

is this a trick question..?

sigma delta chi

140 Ilona  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 2:16:28pm

Well,

I'm from the Chicago area, used to get both papers, now will only get the Sun-Times.

My mother's line survived the Holocaust, and this cartoon was unbelievable.

The only thing I can say is that there is NO TRUTH in this image whatsoever.

Don't even give it the honor of calling it a 'political cartoon'. Call it what it is, anti-semitic PROPOGANDA.

The Nazi's did this blood libel for 10 years prior to the holocaust, I guess this guy is using their work as inspiration.

NEVER FORGET.

141 Alf  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 2:18:38pm

#118 Alice

Wow! Thanks.

#119 Caton

I got it. Thanks.

142 hans ze beeman  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 2:32:15pm

#139: ploome,

is there any question in your mind this cartoon is anti semitic....pure judenhass.?

No, there is no such question in my mind, this cartoon was on par with the Independent cartoon some months ago.

how would you describe people who give this cartoonist awards..?

They are at LEAST insensitive to anti-Semitism, to put it friendly. One question is whether he was drawing such malignant cartoons at the time he received those "prizes", early 80s till beginning 90s, according to his biographic data; I have no information concerning this issue. IF he was drawing such anti-Semitic stuff then, the prizes were given on a very questionable basis. IF he was not drawing this anti-Semitic stuff then (and began only later), does this make Sigma Delta Chi anti-Semite?

is this a trick question..?

Why would you suspect that? It was rather a question resulting from my embryonic knowledge concerning US press prizes.

143 Alf  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 2:38:55pm

Let's cut out the intellectual discourse bullshit:

This cartoon is anti-semitic and is something I'd expect to see pasted on the clubhouse wall of the American Nazi Party. To see this cartoon printed in a major American newspaper is absolutely chilling.

The frightening part is that millions of Americans will not see the anti-semitism in this drawing and will accept the stereotypes as truth, including countless neoliberal college professors who will pass this hate and vile to their students.

BTW: I'm not a Jew. I'm a German-American Catholic, raised in a German working class neighborhood in the good old USA. I know of anti-semitism. And, yes, I knew some neoNazis in my youth. They would've loved this cartoon.

144 bigel[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 2:53:47pm
145 QueenEsther  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 3:01:53pm

The Tribune operator (312/222-3232, then ask for "editorial") tells me that Dick Locher is not on staff there. I suppose his work is syndicated (maybe through United Features Syndicate? I'll check later.)

She referred me to R. Bruce Dold, Editorial page editor, whom you can reach at 312/222-4438 or email bdold@tribune.com

Just for fun, here's a few more people at the Tribune who need reminding that it is not Berlin 1938:

Jack Fuller, President, Tribune Publishing,
312/222-3421, jfuller@tribune.com

Howard Tyner, VP/Editorial, Trib Publishing
312/222-4331, hatmanguy@aol.com or chied@aol.com

Ann Marie Lipinski, Editor
312/222-3006, alipinski@tribune.com or ctc-editor@tribune.com

James O'Shea, Mg Editor
312/222-4829
Ojim43@aol.com
joshea@tribune.com

146 QueenEsther  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 3:13:16pm

I'm in a hurry, and I didn't read all the way down earlier... In light of Wycliff's lame-ass excuses, here are some more phone numbers and emails to share with you all:

Don Wycliff, Public Editor
312/222-3431 or 312/222-3348
dwycliff@tribune.com

John P. McCormick, Depty Editorial Page Editor
312/222-3016
jmccormick@tribune.com

Dodie Hofstetter, Voice of the People Editor
312/222-3425
312/222-2598 (fax)
dhofstetter@tribune.com

General Editorial page info:
cfc-tribletter@tribune.com
fax: 312/222-2598

147 Deathberg  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 3:58:52pm

This story has made it all the way to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution:

[Link: www.ajc.com...]

148 zulubaby  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 4:10:19pm

Alf (#143)

Thank you for stating the obvious. This cartoon is pure anti-Semitism. Plain and simple.

osasha (#5)

There was a discussion of anti-US cartoons in french newspapers some time ago on this site, where I stated that one can find the most vile anti-US cartoons right at home. Well, here's the proof.

What does this have to do with anti-US cartoons? Am I missing some kind of point you're trying to make, or have you missed the point of the cartoon completely?

Buckeye (#39)

This guy's anti-Israel outlook is not the issue, and discussion of it will tend to confuse matters. His portrayal of Sharon with stereotypical Jewish features is the real issue. This guy is a bigot. Let's focus on that.

Bullshit. Anti-Israel my ass. This is anti-Semitism, let's focus on that, shall we?

149 my god  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 4:15:02pm

I wasn't planning on leaving a comment. I was just skimming down your site, when i saw. . . . . that.

The Chicago Tribune must issue a full apology, and the cartoonist must never be allowed to do a cartoon for that newspaper again.


Such vile hate must be called out whereever it appears.

150 Deathberg  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 4:23:21pm

WYFF News has also covered this story. Unfortunately, they have fucked it up royally. Pay close attention to the way the sub-heading is worded.

[Link: www.thecarolinachannel.com...]

151 Frank IMC  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 4:45:09pm

#150 Deathberg -

Sounds like a cross between Rush Limbaugh and Jimmy Durante. :)

152 Deathberg  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 4:51:54pm

But "Paying off bush"? That's not what the cartoon was about at all. Instead, it evokes a completely DIFFERENT antisemitic stereotype.

153 jb  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 4:55:31pm

Re #85
I wish it were that simple, Ranbutan.

No sooner do the Palis have a state than they will form an alliance with some Eurocrap country like france or some other muslim power like Iran(if they,re still a power) for protection.
It won't be so easy for the Israelis to defend themselves against a terrorist country if said country now has a military alliance with one of its benefactors.
Look what happened it Sept. 1939.
If anything the situation will become more dangerous.
Anyway, it will all come to nought. The palis won't follow through and Bush will have had it up to his eyeballs with their treachery. Nothing good will happen until Arafat and his running dogs are dead, Syria and Iran revert to agrarian non-belligerent states and get out of Lebanon.
If you want to stop sending the Israelis money then get rid of the problems that cause them to spend so much on their defense and very existence...hostility from Iran, Syria Egypt and their fascist Islamic radicals.
If the Us did that, in the long term tey would probably save a bundle.
If they don't, you'll be spending a lot more in the next few years, not on Israel, but on defending your own asses from these "peace-loving" countries.
Oh and don't forget N. Korea who is plying them with nukes and missles!!

154 ploome  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 5:07:24pm

OT but.......

anyine know anything about the Council on Foreign Relations....?

which has written...

Sharon has demanded that Abbas begin arresting and disarming militant groups and destroying their infrastructure, as well as take preventive steps to stamp out support for terrorism in the West Bank and Gaza. But Abbas has refused to take these measures without concessions from Israel. On Wednesday, President George W. Bush will meet with Sharon and Abbas in Jordan to attempt to break the impasse.

while the actual Road Map, says this..

Palestinians declare an unequivocal end to violence and terrorism and undertake visible efforts on the ground to arrest, disrupt, and restrain individuals and groups conducting and planning violent attacks on Israelis anywhere. Rebuilt and refocused Palestinian Authority security apparatus begins sustained, targeted, and effective operations aimed at confronting all those engaged in terror and dismantlement of terrorist capabilities and infrastructure. This includes commencing confiscation of illegal weapons and consolidation of security authority, free of association with terror and corruption.

this sly revision is very damaging to Israel, and simply untrue...and another "scholar' from this council is writing

Henry Siegman: Has Sharon set a trap for Bush?

in the International Herald Tribune..

Lord help us...they are really piling on Israel.so many determined to do the most damage possible....

155 JK  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 5:09:16pm

It's only the latest reason to despise Locher. In the mid-1980s, he also destroyed the once-great Dick Tracy comic strip by taking over as artist. The man can't draw -- all his characters have that ridiculous stiff, bulky look.

156 ploome  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 5:15:28pm

# 159 Deathberg.....look at what Locher said..

Locher said the message was a comment on how the United States spends millions on peace in the Middle East, and not meant to be a slur. He notes that in the same drawing Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat also has a big nose.

hahahahahahaha

157 rdw  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 5:31:08pm

Roger Simon wrote:

I'm going after that other horrendous (and vastly more powerful) anti-Semite Robert Novak on my blog.

What would we do without self-loathing Jews?!! Another you should consider tracking is Henry Siegman. Check out his latest at
Henry Sieman: Has Sharon Set a Trap for Bush?

His proposition: The Palestinians really want to follow the roadmap but don't have the means to (thanks to the Israelis). The Israelis, namely Sharon, doesn't want to follow the roadmap even though he has the means.

158 Tara  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 5:31:55pm

Shit. Shit. I can't believe this. I never thought things like this could happen in America!! Not in my life time! Things were supposed to be different now!

159 Ranbutan  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 6:00:49pm

#153 jb - very good post, jb.

I understand your concern about vulnerabilities.

I believe you are quite correct that the onus is now on the Pals, because Sharon is offering real cooperation to a point where I am believing that Israel is not going to be arrogant, stubborn, and intransigent....but is going to let the Road Map succeed or fail on the ability of the Pals to purge the cancer of terrorism.

I doubt the Euros have a gnat's hair probability of joining the Pals in an alliance....but there have to be some elements introduced, in addition to the Road Map specs, aimed at reducing those dangers. A key future point might be that any Arab Army entering Palestine would be cause for Israel to invade. That the Palestinians are denied WMD, armor, and heavy artillery - shells or rockets. And possible land penalties exacted for terror actions.

Much is to be worked out. In the next two days, the whole picture might change. I hope that Bush, Mazen, and Sharon can come to some real positive actions, particularly Mazen - in stopping the Intifada...because no progress happens without a ceasing terrorism.

Later on, if things work, the huge sticking point will be the right of return. I suppose all sorts of solutions are possible. My preference is that Israel, which has dmanded and recieved all sorts of WWII reparations and has launched lawsuits throughout Europe on property losses, will recognize the Palestinians also have had major losses. And, not try and tap the USA, but dig within to pay reparations to Pal families, and pay Egypt, Jordan, and Syria to accept Pals with full citizenship....and offer a limited number a chance to live in Israel...but with no voting rights or Israeli welfare for 25 years. A few hundred thousand might come back under those rules..the rest - become citizens of other Arab countries in a cash deal.

Who knows? A new era is beginning.

160 Kristklr  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 6:14:05pm

GAZE at the Troll

161 Zaide  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 6:43:54pm

#158 Tara
"Shit. Shit. I can't believe this. I never thought things like this could happen in America!! Not in my life time! Things were supposed to be different now!"

I've been ridiculed as an alarmist for several years for trying to warn my Jewish friends that "Never Again" & "Not In America" were exercises in self-delusion.

You're shocked & heartbroken.
I'm just heartbroken.
At least, now, people SEEM to be waking up.
There's still time.

162 Chris Allen  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:26:10pm

#147 Deathberg:

From the story: "The heavyset man, whom Locher said was meant to be Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, is saying, 'On second thought, the pathway to peace is looking a bit brighter.'"

All Locher had to do to keep from pissing everyone off was label the character as "Sharon," the way most political cartoonists would.

BTW, Locher's Saturday cartoon also features a large-nosed man wearing a tie with a Magen David on it. Some people never learn.

163 QueenEsther  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:56:29pm

Here is the only letter to the editor I've seen so far that the Chicago Tribune has seen fit to print: letter to the editor

164 pat  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:59:01pm

I did not bother reading all of the comments, but this cartoon should make every American cry. This cartoon depicts liberalism in America in this time. Who are these people? Where did they come from?

165 Anabel  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:28:22pm


Winston Emanuel's essay 'The "Green Light" Massacre' explains:


"It is SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) when one or more governments wishes to remove or subjugate a nation, they task their Intelligence Agencies and Diplomatic Corps to wage a propaganda war for purposes of weakening the intended victim nation. This is even more true when the target is a friendly democracy such as Israel. The first procedure in the case of Israel must be to demonize the Jewish nation so the perception of the average citizen, is that Israel is in the wrong."

WHY?

"Presumably, If Israel is attacked with unconventional weapons or is about to lose a conventional war, she will hit the Middle East Arab military and their capitals with nuclear weapons. This is something that neither America nor the oil dependent nations of Europe, Japan, et al want or can tolerate. Therefore, it follows that either one side of the equation must be eliminated or the other.

Israel must be stripped of her second strike deterrence as well as her pre-emptive strike potential in order to save the oil fields, the large Middle East markets, not to mention to prevent the radioactive fallout which could contaminate the oil fields for hundreds of years."

The essay is fairly long but well worth reading.

'The "Green Light" Massacre'

166 Caton  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 9:16:55pm

#129 Ranbutan 6/2/2003 02:53PM PST

I have good news for you. Today the construction of a new settlement, called Guevaot Bar, has started. In October 25 Jewish families will settle there. By January there should be a couple hundred Jewish families settled in Guevaot Bar.

Happy?

Probably more so than you will be after Acqaba.

Bah. I fully expect the U.S. to apologize to the Arab world for taking out Saddam by, again, selling out the Jews. It's sort of an American tradition anyway -- apologize each time the U.S. does something right. Oh well. The next 9/11, I'll be ululating, dancing in the streets and giving away candy. Your own stupidity will have brought it upon you again.

No clue on my part if Guevaot Bar is an extension of an existing colony or a new one that even the Israeli Gov't declared illegal....

Told you Guevaot Bar is a new settlement. And guess what? It's perfectly legal.

but the word is that Sharon will pledge to remove all illegal settlements and all illegal activity in colonizing Arab land since March, 2001.

Nope. Word is that Sharon will pledge to remove illegal settlements (those without the appropriate papework) from the disputed territories -- not Arab land. Total of less than 10.

You are safe in France. I doubt any risk exists that someone will evict you from your baneule.

That, alone, proves you don't know what you are talking about. Not that I care -- another 5 weeks, and I'll be in Israel with my family.

The case may be different for your friends. The days of "immutable facts on the ground" seem to be gone.

Oh, no, they still are there. It is still an immutable fact on the ground that the U.S. must apologize to the Arabs after each intervention in the Arab world. Americans have to abase themselves, because Americans know Arabs are more powerful than the puny U.S. So Americans abase themselves with Jewish blood. Again.

Are you proud of your shitty litttle country? Can't even remove one evil Arab dictator without paying for it with somebody else's currency... talk about "military might" and "U.S. influence" as much as you want... the fact is that you keep that influence only as long as you go and bow to the mighty crescent. You bowed to the svastika before, I guess you're used to it.

Next time you see a Muslim, go kiss his ass. You need to practice.

167 kellyds  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 9:50:01pm

Locher's Biography

I didn't see a link to the cartoonist's bio, so there it is...

The cartoon is a political fallacy produced by someone who must be a religious bigot. For a lot of cartoonists, this is par for the course.

168 zulubaby  Mon, Jun 2, 2003 10:38:11pm

kellyds (#167)

The cartoon is a political fallacy produced by someone who must be a religious bigot.

Let's just stick to calling it what it is: Anti-Semitism in its purest form.

169 Chana  Tue, Jun 3, 2003 12:22:02am

This is from _Editor and Publisher_.


JUNE 03, 2003
Locher Defends Mideast Cartoon in 'Chicago Trib'
Some Had Charged Anti-Semitism

[Link: www.mediainfo.com...]

Some quotes from the article:


"I had no slur in mind whatsoever," Locher continued, expressing surprise people interpreted his cartoon that way. He said he's not anti-Semitic and that anti-Semitism would "dilute the message" of a cartoon.

In other words, it isn't anti-semitic because anti-semitism wouldn't make his point.


Locher added that he thought of the idea for the cartoon after talking over the foreign-aid issue with several friends -- some Jewish and some not Jewish.

And anyway, he has Jewish friends.

170 MakeMyDay  Tue, Jun 3, 2003 12:45:25am

Just like Ranbutan.

171 Jim B  Tue, Jun 3, 2003 2:17:35am

I just sent an E-mail to Locher asking him to resign for his cartoons. However, I'm 99.999% sure he won't do so. In addition, the link to the British cartoon from January served a very good point as to how anti-Semitism is once again becoming the norm in Europe. That image was sickening. The British Independent should be shut down for good.

PS: ANyone interested in allusion, the Independent's cartoon was based on a work by Francisco Goya called "Saturn eating his own Children". A very sick and disturbing painting, adapted into a sick, disturbing and racist cartoon.

PPS: Gary (sounds like a French terrorist sympathizer) Trudeau is rerunning a series of Doonesbury cartoons where he sympathizes with Palestinian terrorists, casting Israelis as victims. Trudeau has been spreading his dreck for more than 30 years, I think we should start a petition to stop him from publishing his cartoon. It isn't even funny anymore!

172 Morgan  Tue, Jun 3, 2003 2:18:49am

I agree that the Tribune's cartoon was vile, mostly in that the view presented had no relation to reality. However, please let me know what you think of Mike Ramirez's June 1 editorial cartoon as linked below. I think its a great cartoon and clearly presents his opinion about the hypocracy and criminality of the Saudi regime. But I wonder, had he in criticizing Israel drawn a cartoon Israeli as a giant rat with a massive nose, what would have been your response?

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

173 Caton  Tue, Jun 3, 2003 2:21:45am

#172 Morgan

Change "Saudi Arabia" to "Arab" and it becomes racist, not politic. As it is now, this is a political cartoon.

174 Morgan  Tue, Jun 3, 2003 2:42:21am

#173 Caton - Interesting point, but would labeling a grotesque charactiture as "Israel" protect the cartoonist from an accusation of antisemitism? I think the answer would be no. My opinion is that because of the long and ugly history of antisemitic stereotypes and libels, there are just some cartoons that should not be made about Jews or the Jewish state. Draw a Jew as a rat and visions of Nazi propaganda arise. Draw a Jew as greedy and the age old stereotype of the money-hungry Jew is summoned. There are many ways for a cartoonist to criticize Israel without stepping into the minefield of age-old canards and stereotypes.

175 Caton  Tue, Jun 3, 2003 3:10:24am

#174 Morgan

You are totally wrong.

Had the above cartoon displayed "Israel" instead of a star of David, and had not the "author" said that he wanted to represent Sharon through the common anti-semitic stereotypes, that cartoon would have been political and anti-Israel. As it is, it's clearly anti-semitic.

It would still have been clearly anti-Israel propaganda, not criticism, though, just like those "no blood for oil" cartoons were propaganda and not criticism, because both are lies. Israel is not accepting the roadmap out of greed. Everybody with the I.Q. of a rotten piece of cabbage understands that.

176 Caton  Tue, Jun 3, 2003 3:12:46am

#174 Morgan

Hmm. I'm an idiot. I misread your last sentence as "there are few ways..."

You are not totally wrong: I was, in the above comment.

Sorry about that.

177 Morgan  Tue, Jun 3, 2003 3:49:36am

#176 Caton - no problem, I've done it before.

What triggered my comment in #172 was seeing the Ramirez cartoon in the NY Post, laughing at it, and then realizing that if the word "Saudi Arabia" were changed to "Israel" it would be far more antisemitic than the Tribune cartoon. However as an attack on Saudi Arabia, I did not think it was out of line.

178 CastorOil  Tue, Jun 3, 2003 4:00:50am

#177
Note that the Ramirez page,
[Link: www.latimes.com...]

has a similar cartoon - May 6th - about the Roadmap, but it is not anti-Semitic. Sharon has a Star of David on his back, but so does Abbas have the PLO logo on his back - for identification. And they are both on the same side of the bridge, thus none of them is vilified and stereotyped.

That's the difference between a political cartoon and a racial slur.

179 Dom  Tue, Jun 3, 2003 4:03:31am

#177 No, the solitary star of David is no more the flag of Israel than a bunch of stars is the American flag. It was emphasising very negative Jewishness in all but the location. Additionally, but of much less concern, the original premise was sheer slander.

180 Deathberg  Tue, Jun 3, 2003 5:50:06am

Ramirez is quite a talented artist. Please feel free to disagree with me but I think his cartoon will be more effective in stirring up anti-Saudi sentiment than DickSucher's cartoon will be in stirring up anti-Israel sentiment.

181 JohntheBaptist  Tue, Jun 3, 2003 6:35:00am

Ran Ran go away
Your Jew-hate ain't Jesus' way
Bless the Jews they Bible Say
For your soul shall I pray

182 Tim Eldred  Tue, Jun 3, 2003 7:14:06am

Looks like a whole lot of
truth...as someone who does
not have an agenda, it does
seem like our tax dollars
are always going down a rat
hole...with no end in sight.

183 Jim B  Tue, Jun 3, 2003 7:14:11am

Mike Ramirez is one of the best cartoonists around. He's one of the few editorial artists who isn't afraid to hit Saudi Arabia for their terrorist sympathies.

184 James  Tue, Jun 3, 2003 8:46:36am

"as someone who does
not have an agenda"

Everyone has an agenda.

185 andre  Tue, Jun 3, 2003 9:32:21am

That cartoon would make a lot more sense if Sharon and Arafat traded places.

186 Lumiere  Tue, Jun 3, 2003 10:31:06am

# 182
"Looks like a whole lot of
truth...as someone who does
not have an agenda, it does
seem like our tax dollars
are always going down a rat
hole...with no end in sight."

So, when did you come to think that Jews are like rats? Oh wait, I know, I've seen those cartoons too...in Der Sturmer.
Screw you and your agenda.

187 Deathberg  Tue, Jun 3, 2003 11:03:42am

Deathberg's Law states that if a person uses the word "truth" at least once per 50 words, that person knows he is lying.

Examples: Tim Eldred; most of the people who write letters to VNN.

188 Kathianne  Thu, Jun 5, 2003 6:23:50pm

I'm a bit late on this, I saw the original cartoon and was apalled on the 30th. I've subscribed to the Trib since 1980. I'm cancelling. It's a difficult decision, since the Sun-Times piece notwithstanding, that is usually a tabloid that is not in sync with me.

However, the Trib has been getting worse and worse. As an Irish Catholic I am well aware of Colonel McCormick's anti-Catholic stance from years gone bye. Kind of like Byrd, some things change feathers, but not substance.

I miss the Chicago Daily News, now more than ever.


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