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Mon, Jun 2, 2003 at 6:16:48 pm PDT
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Another bullseye from the talented pens of Cox & Forkum. Go buy their excellent book, and help them pay the rent. They deserve it.
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Mon, Jun 2, 2003 at 6:16:48 pm PDT
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Another bullseye from the talented pens of Cox & Forkum. Go buy their excellent book, and help them pay the rent. They deserve it.
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centaur Mon, Jun 2, 2003 4:20:11pm |
The subtle, fleeing donkey is the most brilliant part. ...second?
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centaur Mon, Jun 2, 2003 4:21:54pm |
Okay, maybe more dazed than fleeing... but will be fleeing soon enough (fingers crossed). Oh, hi Iron Fist.
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Paladin Mon, Jun 2, 2003 4:32:02pm |
Bears a striking resemblance to Howell Raines, doesn't he?
| 7 | Zaide Mon, Jun 2, 2003 4:34:27pm |
Hilarious AND spot on.
Sure does capture the essence.
But shouldn't there be more than just one?
| 8 | William Mon, Jun 2, 2003 4:40:24pm |
C&F are great, they should seek publication in National Review.
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Sydney Carton Mon, Jun 2, 2003 4:43:48pm |
Cox and Forkum are amazing. Are they syndicated at all? They deserve a big audiance.
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reaganite Mon, Jun 2, 2003 4:47:35pm |
I think I'm going to buy their book, and send it to my lefty brother (after I read it all). Any bets on how long it takes before he blows a gasket?
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jim Mon, Jun 2, 2003 4:59:15pm |
#11, thanks: "gelding" is inspired and, sadly, perhaps most appropriate.
In my best Homer Simpson voice, "hehehehe."
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Model4 Mon, Jun 2, 2003 5:02:02pm |
The impact makes me think of "Predator," where the alien doesn't just kill the dude, but rips the spine out of the corpse and holds it aloft.
I can't think of a halfway reasonable person who doesn't have some bone to pick with Bush, his administration, or the Republican party in general. But these folks are thoroughly vapor-locked with so much hatred that there's no conspiracy theory or baseless lie they won't latch on to.
I think that the thermostat's broken on my "chill wind" machine though. Seems there's no escaping their howling moonbattery. And even their political enemies are telling them out of pity they're only making things worse for themselves week by week. Oh well, we tried.
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Ranbutan Mon, Jun 2, 2003 5:22:25pm |
Funny, but the Jessica Lynch "rescue" was not declared unopposed until the press broke the truth a month later. The tale of PVT Lynch's Hollywood-worthy warbabe heroics..."She was fighting to the Death - Apr 3rd, Washington Post " appears to be 100% contrived crap to push the agenda - that a plucky female private from W Virginia fired her rifle in even pluckier defense of her cowering male comrades, dropping Iraqis right and left, and out of ammo, fought barehanded until the Meg Ryanesque hero was shor, stabbed, and beaten into submission.
The truth...evidently Lynch's vehicle crashed as soon as the ambush started, knocking her out and thus saving her life. (She woke up in a hospital wondering why she was surrounded by Iraqis).
WMD - not a gram so far, and even the stalwart Republicans who have announced a convening of two Senate Committees have concluded something is amiss.
The looting was extensive, pervasive, and essentially stopped in many cities only when there was nothing left to steal.
Antiquities were lost, libraries burned...within sight of US Marines assigned to guard the Oil and Interior Ministry buildings, but nothing else.
Other than that, the cartoon is highly accurate. It could only be improved by having a raving person screaming "WMD are everywhere. Atta! Anthrax! Atta! On to Syria! On to Iran! On to Saudi Arabia!" In the next asylum cell.
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reaganite Mon, Jun 2, 2003 5:37:02pm |
Did somebody gas the room? What the hell is that stench, again!
| 17 | Ayanami Mon, Jun 2, 2003 5:38:32pm |
I saved this picture to my hard drive when I woke up and checked the site.
| 18 | Zaide Mon, Jun 2, 2003 5:45:24pm |
Evidently, he who will not STFU detects an eerie self-reflection in the cartoon.
Hence the yabuts.
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Model4 Mon, Jun 2, 2003 5:51:15pm |
Ranbutan: Lot of conspiracy theories there, be they true or not. Lots of rumors, speculation, mistakes and lies get reported from war zones. A quote can be honestly presented in factual reporting, without making it exactly what happened.
Let's try some other conspiracy theories. Troops knew the military would take a pounding for shooting looters, and soon enough the Iraqis figured it out.
Some lieutenant decided to embellish the Lynch story, and is soon to be hating life in Greenland, marked for eventual discharge with a bad performance report.
Most of the antiquities were taken as inside jobs or squirreled away by protective museum staff, and there were precious few of those "statues of David" that weren't returned. Well, that one's been pretty well confirmed.
Civil disorder happens in cities. And in war zones, even after victory. And in areas with ethnic/religious/political/tribal fault lines. And in places where the security forces have language and cultural barriers to overcome. That's pretty likely true as well.
But lets say that the UN, the governments of the US, all of Europe, Russia and Iraq itself lied about the WMDs being there. I imagine the follow-up to that lie would be another lie, the planting the WMDs for discovery on the 1st day after the war. It was a very popular theory in some venues. And Chirac, Putin and Schroeder have just decided they'd rather eat crow in front of their people instead of continuing to piss the US off by spilling the beans to their voters eager to hear anything anti-Bush.
It's a damn fine zebra, but I'd rather look for a horse. Bush is waiting to see if any powerful political enemies foreign or domestic are going to rear up on their hind legs and say "Liar! All about oilll!" Then the finds are presented and said enemy is damaged/destroyed. Other foes are cowed enough to not call future bluffs, taking them out of political equations in the near future.
On to Syria! On to Iran! On to Saudi Arabia!
Lock me up, because those are lunatic ravings I can sink my teeth into. Don't worry man, Israel will always have enemies.
| 20 | jaws Mon, Jun 2, 2003 6:09:12pm |
That cartoon describes the Sociology and Peace/Conflict/Coexistance studies dept at my school.
Great job!!!
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Ranbutan Mon, Jun 2, 2003 6:44:57pm |
#19 Model4, a sensible post. Big picture-wise, I am most happy we went in and made mincemeat of another bunch of "angry, seething" Arab warriors. So don't get me wrong...it is a wonderful thing that has been communicated to the Muslim nations...piss us off, god help you, even attack us, and we will pull our punches spare your Mosque sedition and weapons storage centers...but we can take you in weeks - any Muslim nation.
At the same time, I don't consider the whole PVT Lynch fib or the WMD fib, or the "just Iraqis blowing off steam looting and burning, but we are in full control" fib harmless matters. The worst is the WMD fiasco. It will rip US credibility worldwide unless we find more than our so far unfound 1st gram, or reveal where the intelligence failure or the policy-maker circle of Iraqi WMD deception happened, and was corrected.
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turbo Mon, Jun 2, 2003 6:47:01pm |
When I looked at this cartoon I had a different interpretation. I thought the person on the ground was a sane man, driven mad by the incredible incompetence and egregious lying of the Bush administration.
Imagine, a deserter who kills hundreds of his finest soldiers for a war of pride.
Shame on us all for letting Bush do this to our country!
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ROA Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:11:06pm |
Concerning WMD's. If Saddam really got rid of them when did he do it, and why didn't he include that information on his disarmament declaration? Did he still have them in 1998 when president Clinton launched operation Desert Fox, or was that based on hype also?
I admit that I know almost nothing about the density of biological weapons, but won't all of the agents Saddam was supposed to posess fit into a single semi-truck? And finding a single semi in an area the size of California will not be easy, especially when it could be broken up into smaller packages and buried.
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Model4 Mon, Jun 2, 2003 7:15:55pm |
The worst is the WMD fiasco. It will rip US credibility worldwide unless we find more than our so far unfound 1st gram, or reveal where the intelligence failure or the policy-maker circle of Iraqi WMD deception happened, and was corrected.
You're probably aware I agree on this one. Iraq harbored and funded terrorists, which was enough for me. Let anyone against this policy speak up and defend the human rights basket-case. Let the other terror regimes know they're on a moment's notice if they keep their jihadi ties, no months-long UN deliberations.
But no, we had to make the mega-coalition so that a handful of countries could do 99% of the killing and dying, and to sell WMDs as the justification. Well, it payed off by accident on exposing the French, the UN and the Left in general, but this is a possible credibility-buster in an already polarized world. Powell, Rummy, Bush, whomever. If someone hosed this, it's going to be bad. If someone knowingly hosed this, it's quite likely going to be disastrous, and deservedly so.
A whole lot of stuff has to happen in the world relatively soon. This could make the difference on how smoothly it goes down in a big way.
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Ranbutan Mon, Jun 2, 2003 8:41:27pm |
Model4..on this one we seem to be in agreement. I thought that Saddam had to go, and had the opinion that we had the reasons in early 2002...but the Atta spread the anthrax story from L. Libby on Cheney's staff was pronounced garbage, and the whole cumbersome "Iraq is in bed and supporting Al Qaeda..just you'all ignore our great friends the Saudis", left me cold.
My reason was pretty simple...and something my Dem Congressman and Senator agreed with...post 9/11, when I wrote them - a single despot was flipping us the bird and had to be dealt with purely on that basis.
The WMD threat seemed to get more and more hyped as the US grew desperate for allies at the UN. I am still deeply hoping all the attestations were true, because at the start of the War I believed Bush's side rather than "hey liitle girl how about a lollypop" Scott (the pedophile psycho) Ritter.
But each day seems to indicate something massively wrong with post 9/11 intelligence or it's usage and spin.
Standby. It could be the line between someone hosing this and knowingly hosing this will be vague now and in history...Tenet is already making CYA statements. Powell is leaking shit or his supporters are - to Time magazine - saying most of the WMD was crap. But for something this bad...Dubya has to roll some heads.
I would hate to see Rummy given a sword and, then, gutless or power mad, handing it off for Paul Wolfowitz to fall on, because Wolfowitz is the one neocon that has always served America first and has a stellar record to prove it. It could be a mass neocon purge if there was any sign of knowing we were about to hose it, but the neocons forged ahead.
My own theory is that the biggest and most wrong warhawks were Cheney and neocon L. Libby. Bush could turn a political shit turd to gold by making Lewis Libby the fall guy to go in disgrace...but also having his "engulf and devour" Halliburton CEO decide that "pressing family matters" required him to leave office at the end of his term - and thus give Bush a chance to ticket-hunt for bright young VP like Gov Bill Owens, Sen Coleman, Tom Ridge, or Condeleeza Rice in 2004. Feith, Abrams, Wurmser, and Bolton were also in on the WMD policy-making circles and may have to go.
If Rummy was the one that ultimately holds the bag for hosing it on the WMD, I hope we give him his just glory, a big cake, a dozen awards for the good things he did ---and send him on his way to his 250 million estate so he can "spend more time with his family" as soon as the 2004 elections are over and a new cabinet is formed.
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NTropy Mon, Jun 2, 2003 9:56:54pm |
#14 Ranbutan
RE: the Jessica Lynch "rescue"
There seem to be a whole lot of "truths" floating around out there. I personally don't care. She was a woman who found herself in a bad situation. She was, somehow, wounded. She was rescued. Of all the hows from the most noble to the most base, I choose somewhere in between. The "truth", as you put it, will probably never be full known, at least until it doesn't matter any more.
RE: WMD
Barely two months in and already to give up on finding them yet were you totally supportive of continued inspection teams? And how long for them? Were you one who gave them twelve years already and were prepared to give them more. If so, why?
For the record, though, I have my doubts as well. I don't care as much about the fallout because it was never the sole reason to begin with. That may very well be stupid of me but that's not unfamiliar territory to me. *shrug*
Re: LOOTING
v. loot·ed, loot·ing, loots
v. tr.
1. To pillage; spoil.
2. To take as spoils; steal.
Who was taking spoils? And from whom? If the spoils actually belonged to Saddam then what? He had been deposed meaning the spoils had no owner. If the spoils belonged to the people then how could they loot from themselves? The looting argument is BS.
RE:Antiquities were lost
Glen Reynolds (InstaPundit) has followed this closely. From my reading there, a majority of the lost antiquities stories are also a load of crap. Most have been found. Libraries have been burned. Guess what? They've been burned here too. I remember not too many years ago when L.A. Central Library lost a huge amount of irreplaceable material to fire. Stuff happens. Also, while tragic, soldiers sent to guard the Oil and Interior Ministry buildings were safeguarding the economic future of Iraq. Considering the inordinate value you place on money that should have been comforting. I'm sure it was to many more people than the powers-that-be in the US.
#22 turbo
Check your facts before you post like an idiot. The whole "Bush deserter" thing is, like, so yesterday. Shame on you for displaying your ignorance for all to see. Hobbes Online addresses this crap and should get you on your educational way.
| 27 | Theodopoulos Pherecydes Mon, Jun 2, 2003 11:35:27pm |
WMDs?
Let's see...where's Saddam? Can't find him? Well, that must prove he never existed and we created him as a "casus belli".
C&F are part of something I never thought I'd see: the destruction of the trendy, hand-wringing, liberal left through ridicule. It's delicious!
| 29 | nobody important Tue, Jun 3, 2003 3:37:24am |
I just had a thought (I'm only alloted one per day): if Bush did desert his post during the Vietnam War (which has been thoroughly debunked) he should be hailed by the Left as a scion of the priviledged class who defiantly stood in solidarity with the oppressed people of Vietnam. He acted out of conscience to protest the Imperialist Washington War Machine by refusing to wantonly, indescriminately kill villagers and peasants in a far-away land.
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Gordon Tue, Jun 3, 2003 7:04:34am |
Let's parse the cartoon rants:
Americans are terrorists - nonsense
We deserved 9-11 - nonsense
Bush is a Warmonger - No, Bush is a politician. While he undoubtedly thought going to war with Iraq was the right thing to do, the effect of diverting the public from his wretched domestic policies is I'm sure not far from the front of his thoughts (and is certainly at the front of Dick Morris' er... I mean Karl Rove's thoughts).
It's about Oil - probably not true, although the salivating over reconstruction contracts is a sordid side episode to the whole matter.
Quagmire - not so far, but we'll see how things go in Iraq.
Huge Civilian Casualties - No
Endless Looting - No
Stolen Artifacts - thousands - this one is the biggest media scandal - the whole story turns out to be pretty much false.
The Lynch Rescue - staged - Sorry LGF'ers, this one looks at least partially genuine. Seething about Robert Scheer and the BBC doesn't change the basic fact that the Pentagon decided to spin the American public with Private Lynch.
A Chill Wind blows - nonsense.
And one Cox & Forkum left out (I wonder why?) the fact that the whole WMD stuff was apparently phony, and that intelligence expertise was deliberately distorted by the Pentagon to fit their pre-conceived plan. This stinks, which is perhaps why Cox & Forkum were too embarrassed to include it in their leftist's litany.
| 31 | Alf Tue, Jun 3, 2003 11:53:29am |
Ranbutan and all other concerned citizens:
I don't give a damn about stolen Iraqi artifacts. I would not offer one American life for a boat load of Iraqi antiquities.
For those who are so concerned about Iraqi history, why don't you get off your ass, enlist and stand guard in front of an Iraqi library or museum while Saddam loyalists snipe you. And if you don't qualify for military service then send your children.
And don't give me that crap about the victor is responsible if the conquered loot their own country. We're at war with terrorism. Our job is to find the terrorists and their friends, kill them and come home safe and sound. Oh, and give the conquered a second chance to create a better country for themselves. Otherwise, seek and destroy and come home.
Regarding the cartoon: it's 100% truth which is why I no longer converse with liberals.
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Forkum Tue, Jun 3, 2003 12:17:30pm |
Gordon #30 ... Don't equate Cox & Forkum with the Bush Administration. We never said WMD would be found nor that doing so was necessary to justify an invasion.
As for the current leftist bleating about WMD in Iraq, it warranted its own cartoon, which is presently reserved for publication. When it becomes available, you will see it on our site.
As for the Lynch rescue, leftists are trying to smear it as being faked. There is nothing "partially genuine" about that claim. If you know of evidence that the rescue was staged, post it.
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J.D. Tue, Jun 3, 2003 12:37:30pm |
#32 Forkum
*Well, there you have it! Irrefutable evidence from...
that source of global enlightenment -
the BBC.*
Impressive, huh?
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Forkum Tue, Jun 3, 2003 1:30:29pm |
Gordon ... We're not talking about whether or not the Pentagon hyped the rescue after the fact. We're talking about the claim that the U.S. military planned, executed and filmed a bogus rescue operation during war time, in hostile territory, with blanks in their guns, risking the lives of everyone involved, all for the sake of some good footage. Such an extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence, much more than the testimony of one non-military witness who saw something that reminded him of a movie.
The burden of proof is on those making the claim. In this case, that's you. So where is the evidence that the rescue was staged?
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