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Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 9:13:56 pm PDT

Scott at Power Line is working on an exclusive report about Yasser Arafat’s involvement in the murder of US ambassador to Sudan Cleo Noel in 1973, and the State Department’s cover up of the events; he used the Freedom of Information Act to obtain previously classified documents. This promises to be a big blogosphere scoop: Yasser Arafat and his State Department flack.

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1 PJ  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 7:33:20pm

Hard to believe no one has Sirhan Sirhan'd Yassar Arafat yet.

2 Mr. E. Train  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 7:40:52pm

I seem to recall reading something like this months ago, but do the the hour, lack of sleep and 3 rampaging girls under 7 I cant recall where.

But what the hell? Is this a shock? Arafat is a terrorist. GASP! The state department is filled with suckups and fools who look forward juicy lobby jobs after their goverment carreers with arab nations and oil companies... that state Dept people would sell their own mother to keep from rocking the boat? What is the world coming to?

Ive thought for a while now that whats needed even more than a revamping of the CIA is for EVERYONE in the state department to be fired and a whole new crew with a whole new culture and mission statement to be braught in.

As for Air-a-rat, I almost would like to see a Palestinian state just to see what kind of govenor the old murderer would be. The liver lipped killer with the checker'd table cloth makes a good terrorist, but how good a statesman would he be if he had to head up a city counsel meeting, deal with pot holes, labor disputes and garbage collection. Would make funny C-SPAN watching.

3 J.D.  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 7:56:41pm

I first stumbled into this website a couple of months ago. This passage struck me as a who's who of the fathers of terrorism.

Mohammed Oudeh (Abu Daoud) was the off-scene mastermind of the Olympics hostage taking, as he claimed in an autobiography published in France, and he lived on the run between countries for years before settling in Jordan, but Salah Khalaf was his superior. Khalaf was assassinated in Tunis in 1991 by bodyguards of the PLO's Abu al-Hawl, who also was killed that night. The gunman was believed to belong to Abu Nidal's organization, which was challenging Fatah for leadership of the Palestinians. Through the 70s, the PLO was an unruly coalition of competing gangs, and the revolt against King Hussein in 1970 was not so much directed at the king as it was Arafat's effort to shut out of an Irbid-based Palestinian nation the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine of Dr. George Habash and Waddia Haddad, which had upstaged Fatah with its multiple aircraft hijackings and was doing better than Fatah recruiting in the refugee camps.

[Link: www.mountnixon.com...]

And there's a whole lot more.

4 Chris J.  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 8:07:41pm

I hope he gets good evidence. If it's true and can be backed up with evidence, wait until the US public hears about this!!

Wow..

5 Uzi  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 8:57:12pm

This is an old story. Apparently the NSA has a recording of an intercept of a phone call in which Arafat personally ordered the murder. In addition, I think he boasted about it to his Romanian intelligence liason officer who now lives in the US. I recall that there has even a federal indictment against Arafat some 30 years ago. If the Justice Department ever wants to reindict the son of a bitch for that murder, they can throw in counterfeiting US dollars. The IDF found counterfeit 100 dollar bill plates and printing equipment and a stash of counterfeit US dollars in the Mukata in Ramallah (Araafat's headquarters) during Operation Defensive Wall last spring.

6 quark2  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 8:57:43pm

I can't wait! I hope this is a mind blowing story that uncovers all the crap that's been hid and lied about all these years. It would be interesting to find there is more dirt hidden in those documents that ever suspected.
Where ever Arafat has walked there is complicity, corruption and murder, that's a lot of dead bodies to be dug up.
#2
I agree, there needs to be a 100% purge at the state department. It's been out of control for years, and who knows what kind of secrets they are hiding as well.

7 Apache  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 9:02:51pm

I hope he comes through with the goods!
I have heard rumblings about Arafat and his involvement in these murders from several for just under the last two years. If these State Department documents do implicate Arafat, we really need to make sure this gets screamed from EVERY mountaintop and that we NEVER shut up until action is taken against the PLO.

The sooner we crush the Arab dream of destroying Israel from within via the "Palestinians", the sooner we will have real and lasting peace in The Middle East. Arafat will have to become room temperature first and this is just what we need to unleash events to bring this about.

We need to force the issue on this one and take it as far as we can!

8 Teacake  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 9:05:25pm

IF only the seething car swarmers would mistakenly think he was dead while napping in the car and yank out his liver.

9 Noel  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 9:06:04pm

Our ambassadors went to a party, where they were abducted. It was at the Saudi Embassy. I know; it's hard to imagine.
It's rumored that we have Arafat on tape ordering their executions.
This happened during Watergate, but should not have just slipped through the cracks.

10 Rev. Jay  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 9:11:40pm

Odds of it being true: I'd give it 75% he called up the fools and told them off the US Ambassador.

If you honestly want to understand what is going on with the terror regime of Arafat's, read DebkaFILE for a few days. Arafat runs most of the terror campaign in the PA areas, and if he doesn't have direct control, he ships them money to keep in them his hands. Someone had a link to a site one time that lists all of the US citizens killed by "Palestinians", it was in the mid 20s if I remember right. If Arafat can be directly tied to any of those, he can be tried, convicted, and sentenced to death by US Federal courts. Sometimes that law comes in really handy (US holds the right to try anyone for killing an American, anywhere).

11 someguy  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 9:26:44pm

#2 Mr. E. Train:

Ive thought for a while now that whats needed even more than a revamping of the CIA is for EVERYONE in the state department to be fired and a whole new crew with a whole new culture and mission statement to be braught in.

Yes. That deserves to be framed. Between its bungling and moral equivalence, State is going to run us into the ground if radical changes aren't made.

12 Andjam  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 9:35:51pm

OT: There's media coverage about Human Rights Watch's report complaining that the occupation forces and Iraqi police are failing to do enough to deal with rape.

A report by Associated Press [Link: www.foxnews.com...] has

Human Rights Watch said crimes against women have increased along with other crime since Saddam Hussein (search) was ousted in early April.

and

Women's status in Iraqi society was the envy of their counterparts elsewhere in the Arab world in the 1970s and 1980s. Their role in public life, however, steadily diminished as Saddam sought to accommodate a rising tide of religious fundamentalism in the wake of Iraq's defeat in the 1991 Gulf War.

No mention in the article, or HRW's press release of those in Saddam's regime whose job it was to rape relatives of political prisoners.

And Saddam encouraged the rise of fundamentalism post-1991. He put "Allah Ahkbar" onto the Iraqi flag.

13 Camel Prophet  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 9:39:40pm

Le Figaro reports "internet racism" against Arabs and Muslims, as found by the Euro-fascist, Movement Against Racism and for Friendship Among Peoples (MRAP). And they point the finger at "Jewish extremists." Unfortunately, they haven't discovered the hate that spews out of France's mosques every Friday.

[Link: www.lefigaro.fr...]

14 AaronN  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 9:42:29pm

#10

"Sometimes that law comes in really handy (US holds the right to try anyone for killing an American, anywhere). "

Does it? The problem is that even without a jurisdictional issue, you'd still have to convince a U.S. Attorney to to risk his reputation by making such charges. I think only the immediate families of the deceased would have a chance of doing that.

Their families will have to be involved for any kind of case to go forward, but a civil case at least does not require any help from the government. Do you happen to know anything about federal wrongful death claims and their statute of limitation? What about suing the State Department for failing to pass on the NSA warning? With the civil remedies, the biggest problem is that 30 years is a long time.

Unfortunately, even if it turns out that Mr. Johnson has good evidence of his claim, judicial action is probably the only way to get national attention. The State Department went native long before 1973. Maybe some U.S. Representatives could take up the matter?

15 bozo  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 10:22:23pm

Well, if there was really evidence, how coem they didn't use it? This article makes accusations and then says that the evidence is forthcoming.

16 Uzi  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 10:29:19pm

The State Dept. response included this line:

"and though Black September was a part of the Fatah movement, the linkage between Arafat and this group has never been established."

Well, I've seen Arafat on TV talking about his glory days and explaining for the cameras how he had personally warned the Black September operatives that the Mossad was hunting down and taking out in the '70's (after the Munich Olympics massacre) to take precautions, since the Mossad was on their trail.

That interview should be admissible evidence of Arafat's connections to Black September.

So should his voice print if it's a match with the recording of the NSA intercept.

17 PJ  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 10:32:38pm

Someone post again that link to American's killed by Palestinian terror.

18 Jewels (aka Julian)  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 10:39:59pm

OT: Now this is just getting out of hand...

[Link: news.independent.co.uk...]

19 ashan  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 11:18:18pm

One of the State Dept.'s worst transgressions with regard to Arafat is that they continue to fund him. They may not meet with him directly, but they refuse to call the shots on the growing marginalization of his puppet Mahmoud Abbas. Arafat continues his policy of skimming off 10% of all money raked into the PA, including the recent $20 mil sent from the US, for his personal kitty. (And that notorious Jericho casino has been reconstructed and refurbished after the IDF blew it out of business, albeit temporarily. This is one reason to permit casinos in Israel.)

We may despise the UK and the EU for their continued support of the bloody terrorist monster Arafat, but at least they're open about it. The State Dept. simply goes by way of subterfuge. I think it's imperative that Congress be continually updated on this Arafat story and his continual and growing "obstruction" of PA "reforms", which, BTW, were the basis for the presentation of the Road Map to begin with.

20 hans ze beeman  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 11:23:28pm

OT: Washington Post says, For Jews in France, a "kind of Intifada" is going on...

The file grows almost daily: 309 incidents in the past 15 months in the Paris region, according to Jewish council officials, and more than 550 since the second Palestinian intifada, or uprising, broke out in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in September 2000. The National Consultative Committee on Human Rights, a government-funded body, reported a sixfold increase in acts of violence against Jewish people and property in France from 2001 to 2002.
"We have our own kind of intifada here," says Zenouda, a Jew who immigrated here from Algeria. "But instead of attacking Israelis, they're attacking the Jews of France."
21 zulubaby  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 11:28:30pm

hanz ze beeman (#20)

Two things:

1. Thank G-d Caton and his family are outta there.

2. Phuck Phrance.

The will live to regret their inaction.

22 hans ze beeman  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 11:37:03pm

#21: zulubaby

Exactly my thoughts. A sixfold increase in violence against Jewish people from 2001 to 2002 in France is shocking and atrocious; and there needs to be immediate action.

23 Andjam  Tue, Jul 15, 2003 11:51:08pm

OT:

I did a google news search for "Jews", seeing if I came across any anti-Jewish news sources. Found one:

WASHINGTON: President Harry S. Truman of the United States was upset by the growing concentration of Jews in New York and viewed them as group of selfish and cruel people.

I came across this as well (not anti-Jewish, but just plain idiotarian) Safe under Saddam, Iraqi Jews fear for future

24 zulubaby  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 12:08:46am

hanz ze beeman (#22)

No action has been taken and the result of that is, as you pointed out...

The National Consultative Committee on Human Rights, a government-funded body, reported a sixfold increase in acts of violence against Jewish people and property in France from 2001 to 2002.

That is horrific, and terribly sad.

Of course CAIR has to get in their Whine of The Day. Are these people full of shit or what!? Everything is America's fault.

For 2002, the council said it received 602 complaints of discrimination and harassment, compared to 525 valid complaints for the previous year.

Maybe they should all move to France, they'll be amongst friends there. Bastards. I'm doing a bit of seething myself right now. (Interesting that they wrote "valid complaints". Does that mean that they had a slew of cry-babies whining about every slight, real and imagined, and had to figure out which of those complaints were valid?)

And this:

Besides government actions, the council's Nimer also laid some of the blame for the overall increase on "high profile religious and political leaders making crude anti-Muslim statements, people like Jerry Falwell calling the Prophet Muhammad on national TV a terrorist." Falwell later apologized for the remark.

Poor things, Jerry Falwell picked on them. Waaa!

25 DocMartyn  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 12:09:22am

This is well worth a read, what are we going to do?

The New Arab Way of War

By Captain Peter Layton, Royal Australian Air Force

Proceedings, March 2003

"A dilemma the West faces is whom to hold responsible for the assassins' attacks. The Western warfare paradigm holds the government of the hostile nation-state responsible rather than the people. In the modern Arab conflict style, the people, not the government, often bear responsibility, especially in situations where the central government is weak, fragmented, ineffectual, or corrupt. The West's indignation must be focused on the societies, not just the governments of the nations from which the assassins originate. Members of the societies directly or indirectly supporting attacks must understand they will be held responsible and pay a price for their support."

[Link: www.usni.org...]

26 rco  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 1:16:04am

#17 Here is the link you wanted:

[Link: avpv.tripod.com...]

27 rco  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 1:17:31am

Should have elaborated, as it is a very important site - American Victims of Arab Palestinian Violence
[Link: avpv.tripod.com...]

28 Hazel  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 1:20:23am

#8
Oh Teacake, that really made me laugh. One does need to from time to time!

29 papertiger  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 1:39:27am

people like Jerry Falwell calling the Prophet Muhammad on national TV a terrorist." Falwell later apologized for the remark.

But Jeeerrryy Muhammad was a terrorist. Why oh why did you back down from your statement. God give us leaders with courage. And let them speak the truth for once.

30 HA  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 2:15:51am

Why doesn't this issue get more attention?

31 Colt  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 2:56:00am

OT: Philippines blames guards for militant's escape

Philippine police recommended on Wednesday that four prison officers be charged with negligence for the escape of a notorious Islamic militant from a maximum-security jail this week.
32 Yossarian  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 3:59:19am

OT: For Jews in France, a 'Kind of Intifada'

The alarm bells first started ringing for Zenouda in October 2000, as he watched television coverage of pro-Palestinian demonstrators in the Place de la Republique shouting "Death to the Jews" and other anti-Semitic and anti-Israel slogans. That month, five synagogues were firebombed and there were attempts against 19 other synagogues, homes and businesses.

The official response, he says, was "glacial silence," followed by rationalizations. Many officials denied there was any pattern or meaning to the unrest. Others portrayed the violence as either the isolated acts of troubled Arab youths or street brawls in which both sides were equally to blame. And in his view, everyone appeared to hold Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's hard-line policies ultimately responsible. A controversial letter by Socialist Party adviser Pascal Boniface suggested that politicians concerned with reelection ought to pay more attention to Muslims, who outnumber the Jews by 10 to 1.
...Worse, says his wife, is a feeling that they suddenly have become outsiders. "My husband is a product of the French elite system. We're French citizens. We have lots of non-Jewish friends. But in just two minutes we were reduced to being Jews."


Read the whole thing.

33 Solomon X  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 4:05:54am

Here's a refresher on the world's oldest terrorist from Ion Mihai Pacepa, "the highest ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc":

The Arafat I Knew

I became directly involved with Arafat in the late 1960s, in the days when he was being financed and manipulated by the KGB. In the 1967 Six-Day War, Israel humiliated two of the Soviet Union's Arab client states, Egypt and Syria. A couple of months later, the head of Soviet foreign intelligence, Gen. Alexander Sakharovsky, landed in Bucharest. According to him, the Kremlin had charged the KGB to "repair the prestige" of "our Arab friends" by helping them organize terrorist operations that would humiliate Israel. The main KGB asset in this joint venture was a "devoted Marxist-Leninist"--Yasser Arafat, co-founder of Fatah, the Palestinian military force.
In 1972, the Kremlin established a "socialist division of labor" for supporting international terrorism. Romania's main clients in this new market were Libya and the PLO. A year later, a Romanian intelligence adviser assigned to the PLO headquarters in Beirut reported that Arafat and his KGB handlers were preparing a PLO commando team headed by Arafat's top deputy, Abu Jihad, to take American diplomats hostage in Khartoum, Sudan, and demand the release of Sirhan Sirhan, the Palestinian assassin of Robert Kennedy.
"St-stop th-them!" Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu yelled in his nervous stutter, when I reported the news. He had turned as white as a sheet. Just six months earlier Arafat's liaison officer for Romania, Ali Hassan Salameh, had led the PLO commando team that took the Israeli athletes hostage at the Munich Olympic Games, and Ceausescu had become deathly afraid that his name might be implicated in that awful crime.
It was already too late to stop the Abu Jihad commandos. After a couple of hours we learned they had seized the participants at a diplomatic reception organized by the Saudi Embassy in Khartoum and were asking for Sirhan's release. On March 2, 1973, after President Nixon refused the terrorists' demand, the PLO commandos executed three of their hostages: American Ambassador Cleo A. Noel Jr., his deputy, George Curtis Moore, and Belgian charge d'affaires Guy Eid.
In May 1973, during a private dinner with Ceausescu, Arafat excitedly bragged about his Khartoum operation. "Be careful," Ion Gheorghe Maurer, a Western-educated lawyer who had just retired as Romanian prime minister, told him. "No matter how high up you are, you can still be convicted for killing and stealing."
"Who, me? I never had anything to do with that operation," Arafat said, winking mischievously.
Arafat has made a political career by pretending that he has not been involved in his own terrorist acts. But evidence against him grows by the day. James Welsh, a former intelligence analyst for the National Security Agency, has told U.S. journalists that the NSA had secretly intercepted the radio communications between Yasser Arafat and Abu Jihad during the PLO operation against the Saudi embassy in Khartoum, including Arafat's order to kill Ambassador Noel. The conversation was allegedly recorded by Mike Hargreaves, an NSA officer stationed in Cyprus, and the transcripts were kept in a file code-named "Fedayeen."
34 CastorOil  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 4:13:49am

Back on topic: The story linking the murder of Cleo Noel and Curtis Moore directly to Arafat came about, if I remember well, in 2001.
James Welsh, a former NSA (Nat'l Security Agency) Palestinian analyst was the "whistleblower" - see WorldNetDaily article:
Is U.S. hiding Arafat murders?
Also, see Israpundit interview with James Welsh:
An Interview with Former NSA Analyst, James J. Welsh
and USA in Review article: The Forgotten Terrorist

Looks like Kissinger and the State Department did a major cover-up. This story has been floating for a long time on the net.
Just do a Google on "James Welsh and Cleo Noel"

35 CastorOil  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 4:25:02am

Not to mention that the Belgian International Court should indict Arafat for the murder of Belgian diplomat Guy Eid, killed in Khartoum in the same incident.
But this will never happen.

36 Teacake  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 4:29:24am

How is it possible that such a brutal and prolific serial killer as arafat can have so much blood on his hands yet find no proof, no evidence, no links to?

I don' t know why I never connected the dots that the ussr supported arafat etal. And you have to figure that just because the ussr is now just russia, its not so invisible hand is still as involved in making trouble for Israel by sending in fifth column agents posing as orthodox Jews into Israel.

I saw an article a couple of weeks ago that those very russians have dropped the act and are acting openly as anti-semitic mobs.

Can someone please tell me why the world spends so much time and effort targeting Israel and Jews when we have the smallest population of any group of people and one of the smallest land masses to (not) call our own. We aren't even fair game by our numbers alone.

37 Teacake  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 4:36:14am

I forgot to add... during the 70s (under Carter?) the CIA was having a field-day assissinating world leaders. Every day it seemed the headlines announced that another one bit the dust. Why I wonder was arafat not on the hit list?

I wonder if the Dept. of Justice can bring charges against the state dept for aiding and abetting "the teflon fish" and his murderous campaign. All America had to do is say no to arafat, but America chose to help him avoid justice.

38 axiom  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 4:51:45am

[i]What is the world coming to?[/i]

I believe a more accurate question would be "Who are we working for?". The State Department is so riddled with inconsistencies and failure to perform that it almost has no relevance on any stage except for where the media places them. I'm amazed that Colin Powell is still the most respected member of the Bush Administration.

If we use the State Department as our guide, we are probably working for the Saudis. Our soldiers are dying for the Saudis, our workers are dying for the Saudis and our liberties are dying for the Saudis.

39 CastorOil  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 5:00:13am

Teacake, Arafat was not on the hit list because of his links to the Soviet Union and Arab regimes, and USA's fear of the Arab reaction. Don't forget there was a Cold War and an oil crisis, and the Fish played these fears.
Now, in my opinion, I don't see why we wouldn't indict Arafat other than for the fear of blowing the cover off our own cover-ups.
Israel has always been affected by American politics vs. the Soviet block and the Arabs. The Arabs' goal was always to get rid of Israel, and any country trying to win favors (read: oil) with the Arabs has had to play the game against Israel. The palestinians were used as a tool by the other Arabs, not to give them a state, but to destroy Israel.
As long as the Arabs are intent on eliminating the state of Israel, no roadmap and no palestinian state is going to satisfy them.
IMO, less reliance on Arab oil is a good start.

40 Solomon X  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 5:05:40am

OT, but here's a good read from HonestReporting which confirms what we all know about "Reuters":

A one-month study of Reuters headlines reveals clear bias in Reuters' Mideast coverage.

41 selpaw  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 5:15:32am

38 axiom

If we use the State Department as our guide, we are probably working for the Saudis. Our soldiers are dying for the Saudis, our workers are dying for the Saudis and our liberties are dying for the Saudis.


YOU GOT IT.

36 Teacake

How is it possible that such a brutal and prolific serial killer as arafat can have so much blood on his hands yet find no proof, no evidence, no links to?


The answer is PROTECTION.Look at the overwhelming evidence against arafat brought forth by Israel and what came of it? The US ignores Arafat. Wow! Yet this government is rewarding the PA with a state knowing full well the abu mazen is the puppet of arafat.
arafat should have been assassinated or at least sent away in exile but it never happened. How curious.

Then take the Magen David Adom issue. What has the State Department done to help with This.
What a laugh.

Why are Israeli's denied travel visa's to America? Why was the Israeli government told to remain 'mum' on this issue? Why was my son in-laws personal information changed to reflect he was unsuitable to receive a visa?
I have spoken to others who reflect the same story. The list goes on and on and in the end what it will take to change the State Department is a revolution. If not the consequences to all who love and respect freedom is pretty grim.

42 view from Ireland  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 5:29:20am

#37 Teacake

Carter actually halted the policy of assassination.

43 Renna  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 5:32:58am

Solomon #40

The article was telling but I thought the raw data they linked was even more so:

Acts of Violence Against Palestinians:
Israel Tries to Kill Hamas Militant Leader June 10
Israeli Airstrike Kills Seven in Gaza June 12
Israeli Missile Kills Hamas Man; US Urges Restraint June 13
Israeli Helicopters Hit Second Gaza Target June 13
Israelis Kill Palestinian in Gaza Clash June 15
Israeli Troops Kill Top Hamas Official June 21
Israeli Tank Kills 3 Militants in Gaza - Witnesses June 22
Israeli Army Swoops in Nablus After Security Talks June 23
Israeli Troops Kill Two Hamas Militants in Gunbattle June 25
Israel Kills three Militants; Gaza Deal seen Close June 27
Israel Kills Militant, Frees 34 Prisoners July 3
Israeli Troops Shoot Dead Palestinian in W.Bank July 3
Israel Kills One in West Bank; Abbas Warns May Quit July 9
Israel Kills Palestinian; Egypt Tries to Save Truce July 9

Acts of Violence Against Israelis:

Bus Blows Up in Central Jerusalem June 11
Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem Kills at least 16 June 11
Israeli Girl Killed, Fueling Cycle of Violence June 18
Suicide Bomber Kills One in North Israel June 19
One Dead After Palestinian Gunmen Ambush Car June 20
New West Bank Shooting Mars Truce July 1
Palestinian Gunman Mars Truce, Sharon, Abbas to Meet July 1
Blast Was Suicide Bombing, Violating Truce -Israel July 8
Islamic Jihad Cell Claims Bombing Despite Truce July 8

44 William  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 5:37:06am

The story is not "new", but it's shame many Americans either
don't know about it at all, or are only hearing about it recently.

It's a disgrace of the US media that the American public is kept
ignorant -- on this and numerous other critical subjects.

Daniel Pipes wrote about this event in a book review:


Assassination in Khartoum

Twenty-six hours of feverish negotiations then went by. On the evening of the 2nd, the Beirut headquarters of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) sent an order of execution to the terrorists via radio broadcast: "Why are you waiting? The people's blood in the Cold River cries for vengeance" ("Cold River" was the code word for executing the captives). Recordings of that call have suspiciously disappeared, but it appears that Yasir Arafat, chairman of the PLO then as now, personally delivered this order to murder. Soon after he did, the two Americans and the Belgian were bound, lined up against a basement wall, and executed in gangland fashion - all eight gunmen simultaneously pulling on their triggers.

[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]


 
45 William  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 5:39:15am

Renna, #43, where is the link to that data?

Please post it if you can.
 

46 CastorOil  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 5:39:28am

#41 selpaw - Re: Magen David Adom:

One proposal under discussion is to allow the Israeli agency to use a new emblem in the shape of a diamond.


If a cross and a crescent are allowed, why is the Star of David banned other than because of antisemitism. If Israel has to change the emblem to a diamond, the Red Cross should change to Red Clubs and the Red Crescent to a Red Spade.
Everyday I manage to get enraged by these inequities. That article by Fiamma Nierenstein is a must read.
It's a manifesto of Jewish pride.

47 Tamar  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 5:42:40am

#41   selpaw  7/16/2003 07:15AM PST

Why are Israeli's denied travel visa's to America? Why was the Israeli government told to remain 'mum' on this issue? Why was my son in-laws personal information changed to reflect he was unsuitable to receive a visa? I have spoken to others who reflect the same story. The list goes on and on and in the end what it will take to change the State Department is a revolution. If not the consequences to all who love and respect freedom is pretty grim

Answer;

The New Sudetenland

48 Renna  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 5:45:08am

Absolutely, William.

But if the other side can keep repeating the Lie, we can keep repeating the truth.

And with the power of blogs and the rest of the internet, we the people don't have to rely on the established media. Copy this article, email it, post it, tell it. Shout it from the rooftops. Repeat as necessary.

49 CastorOil  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 5:48:24am

#44 William - apparently Israel also has tapes of Arafat and his gangsters ordering the killing in Khartoum, so even if the State Department removed or destroyed the evidence, Israel still has it. Of course, they are not given any credibility, same as with the papers signed by Arafat for paying murderers, that were found in his compound. He is still hiding murderers in his compound, and Europeans still insist in his reinstatement. Moreover, they send him money, and so is the US now.
Israel is the sacrificial lamb.

50 Renna  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 5:49:03am

#45 William,

The link to the raw data is about halfway down the page on #40 Solomon X's link.

here

51 Henry S.  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 6:04:23am

For those with a psychological bent, here is one of the more interesting takes on why Arafat is still breathing.

52 Teacake  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 6:32:56am

All this effort by world leaders and human rights groups to destroy Israel and the Jewish people as if we were top of the list of criminality all the while ignoring issues like the millions of children, world-wide, who have no other means of survival in this world than to cater to millions of adult perverts involved in child prostitution. This is a truely disgusting world. Murderers lifted up as saints, terrorists viewed as victims... and billions of people so willing to play this charade. I don't see anything will ever change without an actual miracle. I'm not going to hold my breath.

53 selpaw  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 7:01:31am

#47 Tamar
Thank you. Someone had already forwarded this to me.
This whole thing is an outrage. Each day I learn more and more which takes me deeper into this. I have now hired two imigration attorneys. I know Boaz will not be at the Bat Mitvah and because of that and all the Israeli's who have been unfairly denied, I will not leave this issue until justice is served.
#46 CastorOil
I know several people who work for Magen David Adom. Every person involved with Magen David are angels...every last one! My husband and I have been very active in fundraising. All I can say is the world should be ashamed. Powell should be slapped. He is worthless. The day Israel places a diamond on their ambulances is the day the world has truly been turned upside down.
When I read Fiamma Nierenstein's manifesto it made me all the more proud and determined.
Thaks CastorOil. Keep up the great work.

54 CastorOil  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 7:08:03am

Selpaw, as a matter of fact, when I received a letter asking for a donation to the Canadian Red Cross, I replied that a donation will come the day they accept and treat Magen David Adom as an equal. My 2 cents worth.

55 CastorOil  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 7:09:54am

#51 Henry - Very good article on the Stockholm Syndrome. It goes into my collection. Thanks.

56 J.D.  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 7:11:56am

#51 Henry S.

Very interesting reading.

Arafat

57 selpaw  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 7:19:12am

54 CastorOil
Good for you.

58 Robert Crawford  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 7:41:16am

#42, VFI:

Carter actually halted the policy of assassination.

No, he didn't. Once more you reveal your ignorance of America. The executive order ending political assassination was issued by President Ford:

[Link: www.ford.utexas.edu...]

(g) Prohibition of Assassination. No employee of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, political assassination.

(h) Implementation.

(1) This section of this Order shall be effective on March 1, 1976. Each department and agency affected by this section of this Order shall promptly issue internal directives to implement this section with respect to its foreign intelligence and counterintelligence operations.

(2) The Attorney General shall, within ninety days of the effective date of this section of this Order, issue guidelines relating to activities of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the areas of foreign intelligence and counterintelligence.

Since the order took effect in March of 1976, it was in force before Carter even started his campaign for the presidency.

59 eliyak  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 9:17:52am

Arafat has a backup plan in case Israel exiles him. To see Arafat in his new profession, click here.

WARNING: This animation is rather disturbing.

But then, any picture of Arafat is disturbing...

60 view from Ireland  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 9:55:47am

#58   Robert Crawford 

Once more eh?

Carter issued his own executive order that extended controls over dirty tricks and assassination. Executive Order 12036.

Either way there wasn't sanctioned assassinations under Carter.

61 EE  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 10:05:54am

There is a book on the murder, Assassination in Khartoum, by David A. Korn, which was reviewed by Daniel Pipes
[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

Pipes mentions that the State Department has opposed releasing information negative to Arafat, because in their view Israel needs Arafat to bring about peace. So the State Department is protecting Arafat supposedly for Israel's benefit.

I disagree stongly with State. They should let the truth come out.

As for the statement by Gregory Sullivan of State that "although Black September was a part of the Fatah movement, the linkage between Arafat and this group has never been established." -- it's unbelievable that State can be in such a severe state of denial.

Here's what Arafat's biographer Aburish says: "no evidence has been uncovered to suggest that Arafat was personally involved, or that he approved any one single operation [of Black September]. But he was in a position to stop the operations, at least most of them, and that he did not do"
(Arafat; from Defender to Dictator, by Said K. Aburish)

Also: "That the terrorists were in radio contact and receiving instructions from Beirut during the day-long siege is undoubtedly true." (same book by Aburish)

Also from that biography by Aburish: "[Black September's] Abu Daoud, told the world sordid tales about Black September, claiming that it was no more than a front for Fatah."

I guess State's Gregory Sullivan sees no evil, hears no evil, and speaks no evil, concerning Yasser Arafat. Like the Euros, I suppose. But the murdered Noel and Moore were State's own men.

62 selpaw  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 11:48:26am

#61 EE PST

Pipes mentions that the State Department has opposed releasing information negative to Arafat, because in their view Israel needs Arafat to bring about peace. So the State Department is protecting Arafat supposedly for Israel's benefit.


First of all only someone from another planet who would be completely bereft of facts might suggust arafat stay alive to bring about peace. Otherwise, this is the most laughable thing I have ever heard.
This is just another bold face lie from the state deparment. They think we are all stupid and mindless.
*The State Department is protecting arafat because they get their orders from the saudi's and the rest of the arab world not to mention Europe*
Period.

It is not only an unjust travesty to have an agency of the government so completely wrapped around the finger of foreign countries but frightfully immoral.
Lets face the facts here. From everything we know the United States State Department is grossly anti-Semitic. As someone in the government told me, "The state department would not shed one tear if Israel were blown off the earth."
Sadly, I believe it.

63 William  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 5:26:59pm

Renna, thanks.
 

64 William  Wed, Jul 16, 2003 5:37:27pm

[Arafat] is still hiding murderers in his compound, and Europeans still insist in his reinstatement. Moreover, they send him money, and so is the US now.
Israel is the sacrificial lamb.

It's virtually impossibly to figure out US policy towards Israel.

With the designation of "Hamas is the problem", it appeared to me a move to escalate.  This may yet be the case when the "road map" is finally deemed by relevant parties to be a failure.

With the "cease fire" charade a month later, it appeared to be an attempt to 'quiet things down', perhaps so the Arabs can see what it feels like to live more normal lives for a few weeks.

Or, perhaps a combination of the two forms a "final opportunity to comply", and once "Hamas" is deemed the enemy it obviously is, and the road map fails, the escalation will then begin.

Regardless, official US policy towards Arafat should be a cruise missile at 3:00AM.

My $.02
 

65 kamala  Thu, Jul 17, 2003 7:41:47am

As much as we can and should blame State, we cannot forget that Rabin & Israel in the early 90s embraced Arafat as their "partner in peace" and gave him a warm invitation from Tunisia to come to Gaza.

Imagine if Israel had done the hard work to identify and promote a non-corrupt, Arafat-free Palestinian gov't 13-15 years ago instead of now...


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