After watching that, watch this and realize the evil motherfuckers can't hide forever.

Thanks, Charles. That had to suck, but it needed to be done.

Imagine world where the LLL ™ media pointed this out...

Great work Charles!

Excellent work, Charles.

Very good.

Thank you.

Very powerful slideshow. As PDM said about a similar image...it shows the true meaning of "cycle of violence."

Charles -

When people say "You 'da Man," well, they are talking about you! Great work with this. Now, if only Colin Powell could see this, and for that matter, if only every radical leftist and IndyMedia reader would see this - no, make that everyone should see this important slideshow.

Powerful. And depressing.

Very important work. People must understand the problem before they will attempt a solution.

Thank you Charles.

Great work, Charles. However, I still think you should post the abuse photos individually, as you receive them.

This is why TRANSFER is the only reasonable, humane, solution.

Peace can't be made with people who teach their children to hate you.

Iron Fist,

That was really, really funny. Thanks for posting!

Charles,
Thank you for the slide show. I think you also would want to display Idiotarian of the Year somewhere.

#10 Nekema: For what it's worth, I prefer "reunification." Sounds better, and has the added benefit of being accurate.

You're amazing Charles. Thanks for the invaluable work you do in keeping America and the world informed. We should all feel indebted, and appreciative of the personal time and earnings potential you sacrifice every day to keep us educated and allow us to meaningfully discuss the most important issue of our time.

I wonder if those compassionate,caring human rights activists from the ISM B'Tseelem and who will save the children [Link: www.whowillsavethechildren.org...] who claim to care so much about Palestinian children will try to save the children in all those photos?

You did it again, Charles.

Good Night.

Disturbing.

This undoubtedly did take quite an effort. I appreciate your taking the time to show this to me.

Ryan
[Link: www.TastyManatees.com...]

I have decidedly mixed feelings about this show.

On one hand, it is an incisive perspective of the many ways in which the so-called society that produced these images of abomination is just plain evil and loathsome. To someone of normal mental state, this would be very emotionally disturbing, leading to great soul-searching and questioning of many things on a number of levels.

On the other hand, potential members of this so-called society and fellow travelers could probably sit watching this slide show and become, how shall I put it, excited? aroused? joyful? And I would rather they just not do that. They don't deserve the pleasure in this life.

OT:
Chicago, Illinois (USA) regional office of lizardoid world domination, co-owned by the worldwide Zionist conspiracy, is now open. :)

You know who you are, sign in or your weekly checks from the conspiracy will bounce. :)

LGF'ers from other regions are welcome.

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Last week, I watched a documentary on a young Cambodian man who has moved back to Cambodia to try and revive the traditional music and culture that was banned by the Khmer Rouge. He survived as a child because of his musical gifts (like that woman who survived Auschwitz by being a violinist); he played Khmer Rouge music and secretly learned the traditional music from a much older fellow musician - something which would have got them both killed if they had been caught.

He was also forced to take part in executions - holding people down. The most heart-wretching part of the documentary was when he said "At least I didn't have to kill my own parents. Many children had to do that."

So the Palis are not alone in raising children to be mindless murderers. The great difference is that the young Cambodian man was filled with anguish for what he had been forced to do as a child. He said he could never believe he was a good or decent person. Devoting himself to restoring Cambodian culture is his way of making peace with himself.

I wonder if any of these Pali kids will ever feel the same remorse and pain as that Cambodian kid did - and rage at the adults who have robbed them of a childhood. I wonder if any of them will ever spend their adult lives doing something constructive. The signs are not encouraging, are they:-(

Good work, Charles. Here's another one I found
Education of Arab Palestinian Children
(as if there could ever be any other kind).

That is so sad. Those children will never have a chance. The babies, of course, are wailing because of the hate and death vibes all around them. The toddlers are more used to it, but still appear stunned. The older kids are already starting to hate, or just look numb.

Very depressing, very powerful.

The hatebot cycle must be broken if this conflict is to ever be solved.

First Seattle, then Houston, and now Chicago.

Who will be first to get Charles to come for a tour stop?

that is just.... sad. It's one thing for adults to kill themselves, but indoctrinating kids into it is just mortifying, in every sense of the word. Talk about "The Lost Generation." This generation was intentionally thrown away as fodder to kill Jews.

Maybe I missed it, but where's the famous "Baby Boomer" picture, the photo found by the IDF last year of a baby wearing a bomb-belt? You know, the one the family tried to play off as a humorous joke, hardee har har..

I guess my "favorites" are the two summer camp photos of the kids training to attack a Smurf settlement.

For shame.

#22 AG in Houston,

Knoxville, of course :-)

Not because of me, mind you. The InstaPundit lives here.

Meeting of the top dogs in the blogosphere, to divide up blog territory. Why do you think the Lizardoid Master pre-positioned me here?

:-P

Those are only isolated incidents
(and I'm sure we'll isolate a lot more).

Slightly OT:

Check out this page entitled "The Palestinian 'baby boom' may affect road to peace".

"He is a child of the intifada [uprising]," his grandmother, Aisheh, said of the boy, whose name means lion. Then gesturing with a sweep of her hand to the many other babies populating the crowded maternity ward, she added: "They are all children of the intifada."

Click here

Thank You Charles. Good work, very revealing and troubling. There are as with anything indepth pros and cons in decision making. I think in this case you did well, in seeing the pros outweighed the cons.

Hi AG, I see some more have signed up for the Houston affliate. *?)

Donna V:

he reaction of Palestinian children to the intiofadah has been studied here, and the results published in The lancet. Here is the abstract:

[Link: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...]

Here is the article itself:

[Link: www.sciencedirect.com...]

The results find (unsurprisingly) that classic post traumatic stress dsorder is found at a much higher frequency in chiildren whose homes have been destroyed, but that by contrast, anxiety symptoms

...."""were consistently higher in children living in parts of the heavily populated Gaza strip not directly affected by shelling and home demolition than in those directly exposed. These findings accord with those of other published work on war-affected children when they are under threat.[7] The most plausible, albeit speculative, explanation is that children were exposed to violence and war experiences through the media or adult reactions, and expressed anticipatory anxiety through thoughts and worries about what might happen. By contrast, the directly exposed group seemed to have developed thoughts, emotions, and physical reactions to the bombardment (eg, images, flashbacks, nightmares, and fears). This pattern is consistent with findings from studies of children exposed to natural disasters, in which post-traumatic stress reactions were proportionate to the proximity and extent of the exposure, such as after the Armenian earthquake. [18] ...."

In other words, you have two interestingly distinct types of childhood victims here: those victimised directly by the conflict itself (via the IDF, unfortunately), and those victimised by their parent society. I somehow doubt that encouraging children to become martyrs as a means of dealing with anticipatory anxiety is a helpful therapeutic maneuver, especially when dealing with a population subsequently prone to develope adolescent aggression........

(/understatement)

#22 AG in Houston:

Who will be first to get Charles to come for a tour stop?

Great idea! Maybe as a fundraiser we can pool bids within regions to see who gets the visit. And since he's a long-distance bicycle racer, we don't have the overhead of buying him a plane ticket, just some Power Bars and Gatorade.

Too, too depressing.

It is a national duty to bring up individual Palestinians in an Arab revolutionary manner. . . . He must be prepared for the armed struggle and ready to sacrifice his wealth and his life in order to win back his homeland and bring about its liberation.

Oh, BTW, why do they hate us?

The Palestinian people possess the fundamental and genuine legal right to liberate and retrieve their homeland. The Palestinian people determine their attitude toward all states and forces on the basis of the stands they adopt vis-a-vis to the Palestinian revolution to fulfill the aims of the Palestinian people.

Very nice Charles!

If I had to whine, some text captions might add some further context; someone receiving a link to that page in an e-mail may think they are Iraqi children, or who knows what.  Denial is strong in those who refuse to see.

Moldel4 writes:

For what it's worth, I prefer "reunification." Sounds better, and has the added benefit of being accurate.

I think you're on to something with this.  Good stuff.
 

OT

#22 AG in Houston

Do you notice a general progression towards the east or the lizardoid district groups?

Must be the Zionists at work :)

Is there a Chicagoland LGF yahoo group? I did a search and only found LGF SF, Houston and the northwest.

OT: A rather scathing stick in the eye to the Europeans by Michael Novak

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

I really need to take a break from all this for a while.I was so upset I was literally shaking after I saw those pictures.BTW Charles please delete my post 14#,I really don't want to link to a website that is so filled with propaganda and so hateful towards Israel.

@29 model4

LOL

The seeds of a very good idea! I can see the cat fights starting now!

OT

A program about Gore Vidal. Sheesh he really hated American didn't he.

#34 axiom

Click on the link in message # 17.

The group is unlisted. At the moment.

@34 axiom

yep there's one being sponsered by ORDneighbor @33

I didn't preview my last post = my bad

a program on PBS about Gore Vidal.

Wolfowitz speaks.

quark2, ORD Neighbor: Thanks. I sent an email to subscribe.

Charles -
You have got to come to DC sometime and testify before Congress with this slideshow. Sorry I don't have any contacts for you though to do that. This is a most important slide show. Thank you for putting it together!

child abuse indeed. also very disturbing.

I do want to say thanks as well to #1 Iron Fist (love that name) for the funny Saddam cartoon.

....hey to my fellow Houston LGFer's

& you other folks too!

ak

Great work Charles, thank you.

If these kids only knew what kind of abyss they are falling into. They think they have found an outlet to excersise the demons created by their families' (especially their father's) inadequacies, only to find themselves trapped in a world of full of murderers and chicken-hawks where the only escape is death. Palestinians are violating their children's bodies, mind and soul. Absolutely pathetic and hopeless.

Once again: Good Job Charles!

Another handy "deny this" link to frustrate some of the equivalence boobs. And hopefully enlighten some of the fence sitters. Sometimes nothings better than the application of the clue stick over and over and over.

ORD neighbor:

Do you notice a general progression towards the east or the lizardoid district groups?

Well,... I have been talking about starting a group out of Columbus (Central) Ohio. Seems like a lot of minions came out of the woodwork when cow town had it's own terrorist run in.

Got One in Columbus, Ohio

I guess now’s the time to do it. I'll have to get together with mommydoc and have her show me how to start up a group.

AG in Houston:

Who will be first to get Charles to come for a tour stop?

Hey Charles, I've got a Halloween Party coming up October 25 if your band isn't booked already. ;-)

And I can do better than Power Bars and Gatorade too.

Hey Charles,

Radley Balko over at The Agitator is throwing a little cheapshot your way. Might wanna check it out.

#46 sean

a rare act after 34 months of conflict between Israelis and Palestinians.

It's not a "cheap shot" from what I read. He's got a point, it is rare. Charles should post something about this if it's true.

#46 sean crowley,

Next time, toss in a link. Some of us might want to go play.

:-)

I especially find interesting the picture "pal-child-abuse-03.jpg" where a child marching with the terrorists is wearing a shirt in hebrew that says "Tel Aviv" and has a Jewish star on it. Go figure.

#48 Iron Fist
Try this.

#49

It's the symbol for Tel Aviv's basketball team.

Actually, there has been an LGFSoCal (southern California) group since last September, which is getting ready for our second annual get together. NYC has had several events, as well.



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Iron Fist:

Why link to that idiot's site and send traffic his way? Do a Google, you'll find him...

Lizzie linked to that story earlier today, and as mommydoc pointed out:

Lizzie: that's a nice link, but a little misleading. All the recipients were Israeli Arabs, nice comments from the family notwithstanding.

Why Charles should notice this or post about it is beyond me.

#50 Reganite,

It doesn't look like it escaped our notice.

:-)

Should I remain silent, be polite, or go in full bore?

Decisions, decisions... :-P

Thanx :-)

Interesting -- just as I was preparing the image file for posting, I saw Sean's note about Radley Balko.

Radley can, pardon my French, kiss my ass.

#53 Zulubabe,

I'm tempted to go in full-bore, but I've promised myself I'll got to bed before 12:00 AM EST tonight.

I've got 23 minutes to go (make that 22) :-).

G'dnight, all.

And by the way, as several others have pointed out, the transplants in this case went to Israeli Arabs, not to Jews -- even though there are many cases where Israeli Jews have given blood and organs to save the lives of Palestinian Arabs. Every life is precious, yes -- but it's hard not to notice the disparity.

Unless you're a wanker and an LGF basher like Balko.

Who can kiss my ass. (Oh. Did I already say that?)

#53 zulubaby

Lizzie: that's a nice link, but a little misleading. All the recipients were Israeli Arabs, nice comments from the family notwithstanding.

Twice in two days I have to disagree with you. So now Israeli Arabs aren't Israelis?

Why Charles should notice this or post about it is beyond me.

Because Charles does what's right?

This is simple, you just made a KKK argument. They're Arab Israelis so it's not the same.

How about we change that around and make it Jewish Americans?

Shame for people who have nothing better to do than worry about Charles' response to some random story. In my days I'll never understand it. Things must be slow over there -- trolling the 'net for traffic, praying that someone will notice. Does it get any more pathetic than this?

I already posted a response on the other site:

No, it was discussed on LGF hours ago. Your link is an incomplete version of the story. The full story is that the organs all went to Israeli Arab children, not to Israeli Jewish children.

So, while it's still a heartwarming story and all, I'm not sure what your point is.

reaganite, with all due respect, calm down. No one's saying that the Israeli Arab kids aren't Israeli, it's just that the headlines are meant to mislead the reader into assuming that a "Palestinian" Arab family bucked the stereotype and donated organs to Israeli Jews, which is not what happened.

There are numerous examples of Israeli Jews donating organs to Israeli Arabs and "Palestinians," and it's particularly galling when someone tries to make a pseudo-equivalent claim.

reaganite: but it's not the same. When a Palestinian family lets their child's organs be used to save the life of an Israeli Jew, then I'll be happy to trumpet it to the skies. Although I agree this is a somewhat positive development -- which is why I posted about it -- it's not an example of Palestinian Arabs selflessly helping their enemies. Sorry.

reaganite:

I don't know why you have a bug about this, but I can tell you this much for free: The only reason that Radley commented on the story is because he thought that a Palestinian's organs had been donated to Jewish children.

As for this:

This is simple, you just made a KKK argument.

I never thought I'd say this to you, but fuck you. I won't even dignify that with a response. You're looking for me? Well you just found me.

Please scroll past my posts in future. I have nothing left to say to you.

reaganite (#58):

So now Israeli Arabs aren't Israelis?

Some are.

They're Arab Israelis so it's not the same.

It's almost certainly not the same for "palestinians".

20% of Israelis aren't Jewish.

That's 1.2 million people.

Re: #63

Make it "most certainly".

reaganite: I know I'm risking a shitstorm, here, but I have to ask: Are you okay? You've been particularly aggressive with several regulars with whom you usually get along, so I'm wondering if you're okay.

#60 mommydoc, #61 Charles
I never said, nor will I say, that this is a breakthrough. My point was there are many Arab Israelis, They're Israeli as much as any other person is American. Of course there are assholes.

I bet the Israeli Arabs (the real ones) are as hated as the Jews.

Geepers: And?

Guys and dolls,

Let's remember who the enemy is.

I ain't gonna touch this with a ten-foot pole.

I am going to bad.

Last time, goodnight my friends.

Let's not slice each other up over misunderstandings, OK?

My point was there are many Arab Israelis, They're Israeli as much as any other person is American. Of course there are assholes.

Your point is missing the point. They are not just "assholes" (that would be cell-phone-yapping moviegoers and such), they are fifth column.

I bet the Israeli Arabs (the real ones) are as hated as the Jews.

And you're bound to lose the bet. Hated (and envied), probably. As much as the Jews -- nobody is hated by the Jew-haters as much as the Jews.

reaganite: Again, no one was saying they weren't Israeli. We were reacting to the fact that the Agitator (case in point) was implying that the story indicated altruistic actions on the part of "Palestinians" toward Israeli "Jews" and it didn't. It was particularly odious because he presented it as a contrast to this slide show, which I think we all view as a tragedy as much for these children as for the Israeli Jews.

And, no, I don't believe that "Palestinians" hate Israeli Arabs at all.

Please stop looking for insult where none is intended. The [not so anymore] friendly fire is starting to take its toll.

#66 mommydoc
I'm fine, I have taken great offense at some regulars who have decided to bash whole groups instead of the people responsible. Sorry, my sworn oath doesn't let me condemn them for the actions of others.

#62 zulubaby
Per your statement, I won't scroll, but I will no longer respond to you posts. I'm sorry you feel this way.

And 125,000 Israelis who are Christian.

"It did not matter to us who received the organs, Jews or Arabs, it is not important," he said. "The important thing is that we saved the lives of children."

Geepers: Thanks for your demographics, but what is your point, man?

Or are you just morphing into Rainman?

Raed Uda (the brother) is a brave man just for saying those words.

Here's an interveiw with an even braver man.

#70 Q
I'm military, "assholes" are the ones needing to be killed. Get my point?

#71 mommydoc
I never said that myself. I said, they were Israelis. I read the agitators post, it was a simple question. Can you blame him for trying to get traffic off of Charles' ?

I find this odd that for the last two days I'm getting so much flak for what I've posted since I found LGF.

eliyak: Yeah, that's nice but words are words. On the one hand, the family doesn't have ultimate control over who receives the organs, but there is still no equivalence here.

The organs of Israeli Jews who have been the victims of suicide bombings and other terrorist attacks have been donated in numerous cases to "Palestinians" and Israeli Arabs. Stated intentions aside, this is still a non-story. It's not happening in reverse, which would make for an encouraging story.

I'm really done arguing this.

I'm with Iron Fist (my friend) on this one. We are all on the same side.

Misunderstandings can be cleared up easier than hurt feelings. Try not to jump to conclusions.

And here's an article from a year ago about a man who's organs did go to Jews.

Of course, not all Palestinians are bad. Mainly just the ones that were brainwashed by PATV.

This is so very sad.

You should title it "Root Causes of Terrorism"

I think there are more Palestinians who feel this way. Unfortunately, there are many more who would kill them if they knew.

97X, bam! The future of rock 'n' roll. 97X, bam! The future of rock 'n' roll. 97X, bam! The future of rock 'n' roll.

Hate to bust in here, but getting back to the slideshow....can we get these printed on t-shirts? I particularly like the "Grandmother from Hell". I have it printed out at my office with the quote from Golda Meir--"When the mothers of Palestine love their children more than they hate the Jews, we will have peace". What a great slogan for a t-shirt. Wear it with pride and spread the word about how the Palestinians are destroying their own future. Are these copyrighted?

#86 mouse:

Yes, you'd have to get permission from the publisher of the photo.

However, speaking only for myself, I wouldn't go along with the idea. It smacks of asking for trouble and adding little. Also I do not think this is something to be dealt with casually. Please think about it.

eliyak (#80&83) Now that's something to celebrate! And, sadly, I think you are right.

mouse: that's a terrible idea. Email links to the slideshow if you want, but wearing a t-shirt like that would be incitement. And, yes, I am sure they are copywritten.

reagnite, I'm trying here because I like you and generally find your posts educational, but the point is that no one here ever said the Israeli Arabs weren't Israelim which is what you seemed suggesting. The Agitator was trying to say that Charles only posts things about "Palestinians" doing negative things to Israeli Jews, and that he wouldn't post things that showed "Palestinians" doing positive things for Israeli Jews. It was an intellectually dishonest use of the term Israelis, is what we were saying.

And you've been getting flak for the last two days for your increased level of agitation, I think. Just my observation.

Geepers and Iron Fist: I agree. I think we're on the same side. But from the way some of us have been jumped on lately, it's hard to tell.

But, seriously, Geepers, what is the point you were making? We here know that not all Israelis are Jewish, but are equally Israeli, which is something that is a source of pride. So what are you trying to say with the demographics? There are many points that can be made with them. What's yours?

Sorry mommydoc,

My point is that a lot of people immediately assume that “the Jewish state” is 100% Jewish. That’s what I think the Alligator did.

What’s that second panel in the interview with Cox & Forkum? Tenacious Fact checking?

And zulubaby, if you haven’t figured out that there are plenty of people in the world who would do anything to be noticed, you never will.

No talent? Make the news by being an ass.

And you get bigger headlines if you’re an ass to someone prominent since then you get a LOT of attention. Michael Moore comes to mind.

reaganite, keep callin' like you see 'em, at times you may be quick on the trigger, but I've never known you to not admit when you're wrong. I'm with you on the nationallity plus issue.

eliyak (#76) Amazing interview. Israel could use a bunch more like him. Very honest. Too bad the sound quality sucks so much on my laptop without the docking station.

#88 mommydoc
The Agitator's guestion:

I wonder if this story will escape Charles Johnson's notice?

Read the Chevy Chase thread. People freak out over things they "think" they read.

You may or may not be correct about what the putz was trying to say. The fact is Israelis were saved. Israelis are as Israeli, as Americans are American, or any f*cking country for that matter.

#89 Geepers
Thanks

mommydoc

I think we're on the same side. But from the way some of us have been jumped on lately, it's hard to tell.

I think some of this is the result of knowing each other without knowing each other. Communicating can be hard enough without the filter of a keyboard.

The other day I said something to Iron Fist that in person would have made him laugh. But instead it was misunderstood and seemed all the more spiteful, because of our association.

OT: VERY bad news. The WSJ has lost its marbles, and big-time. Mideast Peace Progress-Israel can help by taking down its security fence. They're really striking out by backing a realpolitik mode of thinking that's not going to pay off in this situation. They do, however, take reader responses and post a selection of them later in the day (usually they're done doing so by between 3 and 6 pm Eastern).

#94 Model4
When did the WSJ start the registration thing? I've read tons of articles by them without it!

#94 Model4:

Before I read this, I'll wager that it's another paper to be filed under "Formerly sane conservatives completely taken in by Abu Mazen's schtick."

reaganite: If you're like me, you went through their easy registration process, and forgot all about it (just name, e-mail, and yes/no do you want to be mailed this). Switching to a different computer or browser may throw it off, and it seems every now and then my registration falls off the edge of the world.

Aggh, wait, I know what's going on (but am leaving the above for info purposes). Their "lead" editorial requires registration to read on day of pulication, but is open to all the next day and thereafter. Consider registering though. They don't spam, and it's pretty painless.

Yep. I was right. Funny how everyone misses the part about PapaMaz vowing NOT to take any action against terrorists within two heartbeats of "agreeing unconditionally" to the road map.

reaganite,

No problem. Credit where credit's due. And also criticism we're criticism is due.

You do both that makes you balanced.

This is why I always know if someone is making a valid criticism of LGF. The second anyone says: "It just a right wing echo chamber, where everyone pats each other on the back" I know immediately that they have never read any thread all the way through.

LGF threads may go all over the place (Thank You ralph on the OT hudna,) but you can follow them. One of the reason's I can never seem to get into an IndyMedia thread, is the fact that they're just all over the place. People talking about any which thing at any time, just talking past each other with oddly related points or non sequiturs. It truly is like visiting an insane asylum.

#97 Model4
You may be right, I purge my cookies often!

reaganite: Then don't mix beer and whiskey!

reaganite: yeah, I sometimes have that problem after a heavy night of drinking. Oh, wait. You said "purge" not "toss." And I don't really drink much anymore.

Nevermind.

Damn you, Model4, damn you to heck!

eliyak: This interview is spellbinding. I only wish he was the norm, rather than the exception. If he was, there would be peace among Arabs and Jews, and there wouldn't need to be a two-state solution at all.

What an incredible man. I suggest everyone check out eliyak's link when you have an hour to listen. It's a lone voice, but what we have been longing to hear.

Hey mommydoc... I got yer no-ose! Nyah nyah!

LOL, it was so screamingly obvious, I was sweating bullets to get there first. But it HAD to be done.

#99 Geepers
I piss off some of the people here regularly, I never thought I'd piss of certain people. I just can't sit here and let such a high caliber of people make the same mistakes as the assholes of the world.

I love this blog, Charles is fighting the true fight. I just lose it when people post things that are more fitting on IMC.

You wait, Model4. You just wait...LOL!

And, yes, it had to be said.

Damn you, Model4, damn you to heck!

And now sadly LGF is becoming the site of the watered down invective.

Damn you to heck!?

Fact-check you tush?!

Sheez.
oops. I mean -

WTF is going on?!

Geepers, I think you left out a few diacritic marks...

And don't use the term "watered-down" around me. It's got newly bad connotations.

How about "Nancy-girl" intead? I've always liked that one.

QANTAS. QANTAS never crashed.

reaganite, I've changed my mind, I do have some things I'd like to say to you.

In post #72 you wrote:

I'm sorry you feel this way.

No, I don't believe you're sorry at all, in fact I believe you found what you came looking for, namely, a fight. I just happen to be your target du Jour (pardon my French).

In your post #58, you twisted my words beyond recognition, then went on to attack me for them, and threw in a "KKK" reference for good measure. Me thinks you made the same assumptions about that article that Radley did.

You should slow down and read before you jump down people's throats. Perhaps if you did, you'd have noticed that you were actually responding to mommydoc's post from another thread, which I'd quoted in post #53. Note that mommydoc was merely pointing out same thing to Lizzie -- that the Palestinian boy's organs had been donated to Israeli Arabs. (It's obvious that Lizzie had initially thought otherwise). So here, try again. I hope you feel like a royal ass. I don't enjoy having words put in my mouth and I don't enjoy being misrepresented.

Going back to #58, you quote me:

Why Charles should notice this or post about it is beyond me.

To which you respond:

Because Charles does what's right?

I stand to be corrected on this, but I have a feeling that Radley hasn't ever posted articles about organs from Israelis being donated to Palestinians, and lauding the Israelis for doing so, so I'm not sure why he feels that Charles should pay special attention when a Palestinian boy's organs are donated to Israeli Arabs, but there you have it. Come to think of it, I don't remember you ever commenting on that either. I stand to be corrected on both counts though. Interesting that you're defending that prick Radley who clearly misunderstood the article and is most certainly taking a cheap shot at Charles, in order to make your point. Actually, what is your point except to make me out as someone who'd be fit for KKK membership?

it has been a very long day.

regroup, refit, relax, come back tomorrow.

QANTAS? Now I'm really confused.

reaganite (#105)

I piss off some of the people here regularly, I never thought I'd piss of certain people. I just can't sit here and let such a high caliber of people make the same mistakes as the assholes of the world.

If you referring to me, you can come right out and say it. You've made a total fucking fool of yourself; if anyone's making mistakes here, it's you. Perhaps if you took the time to read instead of being in such a rush to post, you'd piss off fewer people. You can get down off that imaginary high-horse now.

regroup, refit, relax, come back tomorrow.

Hear, Hear.

Course in 1986 46,400 male drivers were definitely involved in fatal accidents.

Here is a funny joke:

Two Arabs are chatting. One of them has his wallet out and is flipping through pictures. "Yeah, this is my oldest. He's a martyr. Here's my second son. He's a martyr, too."

There's a pause...

The second Arab says, wistfully, "Ah, they blow up so fast, don't they?"

Geepers (#115)

You want to explain that? I must be missing something.

ROPMA?

Religion of Peace Military Academy?
Rite of Passage/Munchkin Assault?
Reflections on Palestinian Mindjobs & Arsenals?

Geepers (Rainman) You got me! The first two were pretty obscure. The last one I got before I checked the link. "Course" gave it away. Nicely done, LOL!

And I totally missed your post in '89. And you're probably right, but I hate when people race bait Charles. But it does bring traffic to otherwise internet backwaters.

metetron: Oldie but goodie. And what we need more of these days. Humor. Thanks.

zulubaby: they're lines from Rainman, who I accused him of impersonating earlier with his demographics.

gerrymander: Religion of Peace My Ass.

mommydoc (#120)

Thanks. I obviously was missing something.

reaganite

Sometimes the stuff we slog through daily here gets to be too much. I don't know how Charles does it.

Sometimes when you spend a lot of time combatting idiots and trolls the good guys become indistinguishable.
When that's happened to me I take a break. Read the front page, maybe a few comments but move on quickly.

If I might be so bold allow me this recomendation; take a vacation from LGF. Come back when you're refreshed.

#52 mommydoc

Thanks MommyD :-) I never know how much promotion is too much and how much is too little.

#86 mouse

I have a pic of Grandma unmasked if you want to see it.

#122 NTropy

"I have a pic of Grandma unmasked if you want to see it. "

First, that is disgusting and has no place in civilized discourse. Second, that is EXACTLY the kind of crap they do to Jews all the time.

NTropy: Ah, the voice of calm and reason...

I just couldn't resist, especially when someone said "First, Seattle..." After all, we have a reputation to uphold. We have to keep up with the AG in Houstons, after all!

Spoke too soon. AaronN, I think NTropy's point is that any grandmother who would be dressing up her grandchildren to be jihadis is behaving like a monster. To any sane person.

Things like that have been done to the Jews, but they have been based on lies. We don't have to lie about what the "Palestinians" do to their children. They document it in photos all the time, as in this slide show. Who the hell do you think takes these pictures or authorized them? Remember about the restrictions on the press in the disputed territories?

If he'd photo shopped the headbands, it would have been different.

zulubaby (#117),

Silly quotes from Rainman like mommydoc said.

Just my half-assed attempt to try and lighten some of the otherwise overly sensative postings going on.

The Palestinians photoshop pictures of the Jews? What's disgusting about that photo is that "grandma" is tying Jihadi headbands onto those little boys. That is as disgusting as it can get.

Okay, AaronN, I don't mean to make fun, but I just couldn't resist. Please don't shout at me.

*siiiiiiigh*

I was trying for humor. I did that PS job some time ago as it related to that particular thread. Also at a time when I had Photoship jones going on.

Mommydoc hit the nail on the head. But if it offends Aaron, I apologize. The whole stinking situation offends me. Playing with Photoshop is one of the ways I cope and express my outrage.

Take a look again at the slide show and ask yourself, "Would any sane human beings do this do their children or grandchildren?" This is not some random picture of a grandmother with her children playing at the park or riding a merry-go-round. This is an old woman who hates another group of people enough to dress her grandkids as splodeydopes. And the pictures aren't the end of it either. We have parents of mass murderers say how happy they are that their sons have achieved their "martyrdom".

Poor NTropy. I give you credit, though. You always wade into the snittiness to try to make peace, you usually get hit by the crossfire, but you always try.

So you're either a very good Christian, or demonstrating the definition of insanity (the insistence on doing something with a guaranteed outcome over and over to try to get a different outcome.)

I vote the first.

And there does seem to be a lot of friendly fire lately. Maybe we all need to sing Kumbayaa. That should purge everyone's cookies.

Geepers (#126)

Next time someone accuses you of making a "KKK argument", let me know how it feels. I suspect you may feel a little "sensitive" about it yourself.

Thank you mommydoc, Charles and Q. I guess when someone's looking for a fight, logic and reason don't factor into it.

Maybe we all need to sing Kumbayaa.

LOL!

Now?

#122 NTropy,

Is that a H R Giger you put in the background?

#129 NTropy,

My grandma is scarier that your grandma. (ok, maybe I have no place in civilized discourse... but I never claimed to either)

Playing with Photoshop is one of the ways I cope and express my outrage.

How dare you! :)

PDM (#134)

Aaargh! Not Greta!

LOL!

PDM: My eyes! My eyes! How could you.

Actually, it's probably a very true statement, when you think about it.

Yes, zulubaby, now.

#130 mommydoc

Thanks, I try. I'd like to hope your diagnosis is correct as to the former and suspect that there is more than a little of the latter.

I'm not sure about purging of cookies but there seems to be a lot of venting of spleen.
(Formerly needless disclaimer: **I'm joking people, vent away if that's your thing**

#133 db

Yeah - heck if you really wanted to push it, this could be taken as nothing more than Halloween party preparations. That is, if it didn't happen e v e r y - s i n g l e - d a y.

#134 PDM

I give already!! heheh You realize you're one of my inspirations for doing that. Thank you :-)

mommydoc (#136)

Yes, zulubaby, now.

As you wish, but you go first.

mommydoc;

And there does seem to be a lot of friendly fire lately.

Since you took exception to me using "watered-down" earlier, I'll take exception to friendly fire. Friendly fire is when you accidentally inflict damage on your own. A lot of this seems to be between friends, and intentional. So we should call it something else.

zulubaby, I've been accused of a lot of things I haven't done. It doesn't make the accusations any less painful, but in your heart you know you're not guilty.

I don't know what reaganite meant by "you just made a KKK argument," but it might not be the personal indictment that you felt it was. That's all I'm saying.

#125 mommydoc:

To explain more fully, my reaction was immediate and emotional. I thought it was vile looking, and I hate the idea of using the tactics of those who hate us.

Intellectually, my reaction is this.

I believe that the Palestinians are waging a depraved and perfidious war against the Jews. I will be the first to support the harshest measures in fighting that war. I have advocated here that Israel freely execute convicted terrorists in its custody and kill terrorist organizers, the political leaders who fund them and protect them, and the clerics who incite murder. It is an f*ing war, after all. I do not believe population transfer should be off the table. As far as the USA is concerned, I fully support responses in kind to any future attacks agaisnt us, and I am satisfied that we have a casus belli against Syria, Saudi Arabia, the PA, Iran, and North Korea, should we ever choose to move against them. The only time we should negotiate with terrorists and the leaders of the states who support them is when we ask them if they want to be shot or hanged. I am a hard liner.

But I will not ever say that our enemies are less than human. I think it's great when the bad guys get their just deserts. I was really happy when Spawn of Saddam became swiss cheese. I would like nothing better than to see the same thing happen to Arafat. That, however, is justice. I only approve of the destruction of life if it is necessary. If I did not truly believe that the bloody measures I mention above are necessary now to spare far more lives later, I would not support them.

When you say that your enemies are rats, or lice, or devils, you excuse yourself from basing your actions on principles of justice, retribution, and even expediency. You open yourself to sadism, and sadism cannot be sated.

Another consequence is that portraying your enemies as subhuman allows you to pretend that they were not born with souls and free will. You absolve them of all responsibility for their actions. If you dehumanize a whole people, you cannot believe that they have any hope of redemption, since their animal nature leaves them with no power to change. As much as I believe the whole of Palestinian society has become an insane death cult that wants nothing more for its children than to slaughter them in the hopes of taking out a few Jews, or that a majority of the adult population over there has severe personality disorders according to DSM-IV, I cannot believe there is no hope for anything better.

To be fluffy about it, I won't deny the evil granny her infinite capacity or her uniqueness as a human being. I admit, I despise her for her role in effectively murdering her own grandchildren, but I will not say that that makes her no longer a human being.

I'm not making much sense, but that picture really upset me. I'll go now.

#135 zulubaby, #136 mommydoc

Sorry, I seem to be forgetting the warnings on very graphic images these days.

#137 NTropy,

Darn typos. Of course I meant "than" your grandma.
I have to say, your "Short Bus" featuring Michael Moron is a classic.

Ntropy, zulubaby:

I'm not angry at anyone here. I'm not really even offended. It takes a lot to offend me. I know what we're all angry at, and I know people handle it differently. Unfortunately one of the side effects of an institution like this is that it's so easy to work ourselves up when everyone is basically saying the same thing.

I can't tell you what to do with your creations, NTropy, but I thought you might like to know why I so strongly object to that picture and what it represents.

A slide show for the civilized:

[Link: www.eretzyisroel.org...]

#140 AaronN

Aaron, you make sense.

I thought it was vile looking

Good! Although I was intending humor, underlying it is a disgust and dread of what is happening to all the children in Charles' slideshow. Remember, the headline for each one is "Palestinian Child Abuse". There is very little lower, if anything, than a child abuser. These poor kids are being taught from birth how to hate and murder.

If you dehumanize a whole people, you cannot believe that they have any hope of redemption, since their animal nature leaves them with no power to change.

Kindly note that I am not dehumanizing a whole people. If that was true, the kids would have been done too. They're innocents though. Clay being formed on the potters wheel of hatred. Heck, I really don't even blame granny. She has most likely been subjected to a lifetime of the same. And all of it, every stitch, stems from what I consider an abomination, namely Islam.

As much as I believe the whole of Palestinian society has become an insane death cult that wants nothing more for its children than to slaughter them in the hopes of taking out a few Jews, or that a majority of the adult population over there has severe personality disorders according to DSM-IV, I cannot believe there is no hope for anything better.

Fantastic idea - if they had a choice. What if your parents, your society, your religion, your friends, your neighbors, your schools, your radio, your television all preached a 24/7 mantra of "kill the Jews, kill the infidels"? Where is the choice? There is none. Oh, we know in the West but we're on the outside looking in. And quite honestly I don't know how that will change.

rayra (#142),

state what the acronym 'QANTAS' stands for?

[...Bomp ,Bomp]

OK contestants... Let see what you put down:

What is...
Hi MOM!

I drew a blank.

Sorry, No, the correct answer is:

#140 AaronN,

Perhaps we shouldn't turn our enemies into animals.
But, what should we do? Make saints out of them? (I'm just playing Aaron, allow me a little fun)

#145 NTropy,

Kindly note that I am not dehumanizing a whole people. If that was true, the kids would have been done too. They're innocents though.

Excellent point.

Clay being formed on the potters wheel of hatred.

Make that a double!

Pssssst Geepers…

Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Service

I cheated - I looked it up.

Geepers (#139)

I appreciate your efforts to try to soothe the situation here.

reaganite said to me:

This is simple, you just made a KKK argument.

You wrote:

I don't know what reaganite meant by "you just made a KKK argument," but it might not be the personal indictment that you felt it was. That's all I'm saying.

Since reaganite's post was addressed to me I will absolutely take it personally. Quite frankly, I'm very disappointed in him -- this is someone who claims to be my friend. I guess we all have our disappointments. I don't have to tolerate being spoken to like that by reaganite, or anyone else for that matter. Perhaps he should learn to tread more lightly with those that he calls his "friends". He put words in my mouth and then accused me of making an argument I didn't make. Consider me thoroughly disgusted.

And I agree, this was not friendly fire, nothing friendly about it at all. In fact, going back and reading the thread, I could have been reciting 'Little Bo Peep', and he would have pounced on me. He wanted this fight, no matter what. He's used my e-mail address many times before but tonight he decided to get ugly with me and he needed it to be public. Maybe I just do things differently.

AaronN, no harm done and I'm sorry if you were upset. The fact that the Palestinians do this to their children, train them to be killers, is something that continues to shock me. One would think I'd be used to it by now, but I can't seem to wrap my head around it. NTropy is a good soul and would never go out of his way to hurt or offend.

zulubaby,

This is a blue-on-blue incident... again.

Always keeping in mind that the PLO (including Hamas, Hizb'Allah, and other 'brand names') is brainwashing the Arabs with racial hatred under the guise of nationalism is difficult. Gentiles sometimes forget, and they often hurt our feelings when they forget. Reminding them is the only thing to do.

But it's difficult, too, to avoid being offended.

BTW -- 4th on his/her way :-)

Reaganite,

The point is, again, that the media is trying to whitewash the racism spread by the PLO into nationalism. Any time one of those 'articles' spreads, it's full of whitewashing lies.

The reality is that the Arabs who have not been totally brainwashed yet will donate organs without caring who is getting them, and will grieve for their deads too much to try and turn that gift into a propaganda opportunity. There have been dozens of Arabs whose organs saved Jewish lives. Those real cases, though, are never reported.

...and now I have to leave you, I've got an appointment. But it was nice to be back for a while and spend the morning reading LGF :-)

Charles,

Thanks again for this great site. And thanks for your kind email, too.

Nice to see you Caton. Here's hoping all is well.

#152 NTropy

It's OK. The fence is finished at home, and that's a Good Thing™. OTOH, life is tough in Israel. As a friend told me "everybody's smart here, we're not the best any more."

And now I really have to leave. I'll be back very late tonight. Mr Pol said he's going to put a computer in the spare bedroom, so I might be posting again in 12 hours or so.

Glad you are home Caton.

Boker/Erev Tov

#154 AG in Houston

He's not home, he's at my place. Well, he was anyway, he left 20 minutes ago. With my car. And he's smoking again.

Caton - glad to see you here again.

Hi Caton, glad you're home again in both senses.

(Israel and LGF)

Charles, this is the epitome of investigative photo journalism, without any scare quotes or hysteria. When I see the photos, I could not think of another description for them except child abuse. I have to wonder what other viewpoint one could have when one sees the suicide belts, fake automatic rifles, bandoleers with real bullets, shaheed headbands, etc. used as props for child propoganda photo ops.

Apologies for any implication that you've joined the heathen ranks of the liberal media, though.

zulubaby

Lizzie linked to that story earlier today, and as mommydoc pointed out:
Lizzie: that's a nice link, but a little misleading. All the recipients were Israeli Arabs, nice comments from the family notwithstanding.

Why Charles should notice this or post about it is beyond me.

After all the shots that were taken at me last night I have explain my point.

As was quoted above you clearly agreed with the quote and added your own comment to it. I cannot sit here and let things like this go.

Who cares if the agitator is an asshole? Who cares if he is trying to get traffic by using Charles? What he wrote was fact, pure and simple. His blog is shit and he is trying to smear Charles but in this case he used a positive example in the attempt. (his post now is fully in the asshat mode though)

By saying the point that he was implying was they were Jews is dishonest. Where exactly does this article say anything false?

The KKK in the US routinely say that anyone other than whites aren't really Americans. Think of it this way, say a Canadian donated organs to the US. Would you dismiss it because they went to (pick your ethnic group) instead of a white person? I think not, you'd be offended because they reported it that way.

This is America and as such, Americans are Americans regardless of color. An Arab Israeli is still an Israeli (and a human being BTW).

If you can sit there and honestly tell me that the fact the organs went to an Israeli Arab is not worth the notice then maybe I will have to scroll for now on. I call that racism.

As for the rest of your posts, you couldn't be more wrong. I never tried to insult you or fight with you. I tried to point out that you were wrong. Your attack after was wrong.

Caton
Welcome back, glad you're finally in Israel.

I am fully aware that the media is trying to white wash the Palis image.

Those real cases, though, are never reported.

I agree with you, the article itself even mentions something along those lines.

The organs of several Israelis - some of them killed in suicide bombings and other Palestinian attacks - have been donated to Palestinians since violence erupted in September 2000, but donations the other way dropped off dramatically, Israeli health officials said.

NTropy

If I might be so bold allow me this recomendation; take a vacation from LGF. Come back when you're refreshed.

While I agree with your sentiment, it's not me that needs the break.

Charles, any adult who decorates a child as an actor in a violent fantasy is sick and evil. It's abuse, plainly. There is no other word to describe these adults than possessed -- possessed, and warped through and through, by the idea of jew-genocide. These pictures fill me with compassion for the people of Israel.

#159 reaganite

I see what you mean. And I think you're not communicating. Zulubaby didn't post the whole argument, and you missed the missing part...

What Charles has pointed out again and again is that the PLO is inciting racial hatred against Jews, i.e. pure, vanilla anti-semitism and not some kind of "national' movement. I understand the 'Agitator' post as pointing out that there is, in that particualr case, no nationalistic hatred, and using this to attack Charles weblog. At the very least, a well set up straw man. Because the recipients were Israeli Arabs, the whole thing has no relationship whatsoever with the current incitement to racial hatred, and as such, should be disregarded in the context of the discussion on the PLO constant incitement.

OTOH, three kids have been saved. And that is always important. Kudos to the family of the donor, their hearts are in the right place.

Yay! Caton, I'm so happy to see you! :-D And Mazel Tov!

(Now I'll go read what you wrote :-)

reaganite (#159)

Are you missing the point on purpose? I am not saying that it is not newsworthy because they're Israeli Arabs, I am saying that Radley took a shot at Charles specifically because he thought that those organs were being donated to Jews. If you now argue that that was not his intention then you're being dishonest. It has been explained over and over again on this thread but you're still insisting on twisting what I wrote or rather, reading something into my words that is simply not there.

If you can sit there and honestly tell me that the fact the organs went to an Israeli Arab is not worth the notice then maybe I will have to scroll for now on. I call that racism.

That was not what I meant at all. I will point out that you went into full attack mode with me without bothering to ask me what I meant. You're dead wrong about all the assumptions you're making about me, and I expected more from you. You don't enjoy it when others put words in your mouth but you see fit to do it to me? Let's just say that I would not have been that disrespectful of you.

You have turned this into an argument about race. If what you're trying to tell me is that you think I'm a racist, I've heard you, not to worry. Would it even make a difference at this point if I told you that you're wrong? You seem pretty set on the idea.

The PLO and their ilk hate Jews, and Israel as a Jewish state. As far as I can tell, they don't hate Israeli Arabs, some of whom have shown themselves to be a fifth column within Israel. See here for example.

The two nationalist sentiments in play are Jewish nationalism and Arab-Muslim nationalism. In that fight, many Israeli Arabs will (and do) oppose Israel as a Jewish state. Within that arena, organs given from one Arab to another isn't a big deal. It is a touching gesture, one I am thankful for; lives were saved. But to be honest, I'm cynical, if not outright disdainful, of any apparent Palestinian attempt at reconciliation at this point. And I don't see this as especially significant.

#163 zulubaby
I'm just going drop this. Think of me as you wish.

#161 Mr Pol
As I said I'm going to drop it.

OTOH, three kids have been saved. And that is always important. Kudos to the family of the donor, their hearts are in the right place.

Absolutely right.

Mr Pol (#161) wrote:

Zulubaby didn't post the whole argument, and you missed the missing part...

That I will take responsibility for. However, it has been explained over and over again and reaganite is still insisting that I was dismissing it because it was about Israeli Arabs and not about Israeli Jews. I am genuinely at a loss as to how to get him to understand this point. It is my opinion that the only reason Radley pointed out this article was because he believed that the organs were going to Israeli Jews. His mistake may have been genuine because from reading the article he linked to, it is not at all clear. But to twist this and then call me a racist is wholly unfair.

I don't mean to take away from the story. Lives were saved and that is wonderful, but that was not the reason that Radley posted about it. Everybody except reaganite seems to understand that. I will still say that this is not a world event and if that makes me a racist, so be it.

No reaganite, I won't be dismissed. You're dead wrong about what you wrote about me, and I have every right to defend myself. You assumed things about me and you've all but outright called me a racist because of a misunderstanding. You could have been a lot more decent about this. I would never have done this to you.

#167 zulubaby
I will not tie up anymore of Charles' bandwidth with this. If you wish you can e-mail me. This has gone on long enough.

Lileks has a nice /www.lileks.com/bleats/archive/03/0703/073103.html " target="_blank"link/a" target="_blank">link to this, together with a soon-to-be-classic new acronym: ROPMA. Think about it. It's not that hard to figure out. Indeed, it's virtually the theme of Charles's site.

#169 Johnathan

Link doesn't work, 404s.

reaganite:

Funny thing is that several posters have made the same point that I have, albeit more eloquently and clearly. I don't see you taking issue with them and I have to wonder why. I have tried to explain my position to you and you choose to dismiss me. You are having an argument with me about words that you put in my mouth and then turn around and call me a racist for them. Leave those tactics to Gordon. I'm not interested in e-mailing you, you're not who I thought you were.

#171 zulubaby
Fine, last post about this since you don't care to do this by e-mail.

Go back and read again what I quoted from you. Your words, not mine. You dismissed the article quoting mommydoc and adding your statement to it. My son read it and came to exactly the same conclusion, BTW, he read it after I went to bed.
From your words, you dismissed it because it was an Israeli Arab.

I stated this:

This is simple, you just made a KKK argument. They're Arab Israelis so it's not the same.

You replied:

I never thought I'd say this to you, but fuck you. I won't even dignify that with a response. You're looking for me? Well you just found me.

Instead of you explaining your comment you went off on me. Here, here, here, and here.

This is simple as Mr Pol pointed out I was missing something. You did nothing to clear it up.

You're not who I thought you were as well.

A few weeks ago there was a stir over the picture of a Palestinian that the Associated Press described as flashing a peace sign, when reality it was a V for victory sign.

Would the AP make the same mistake about the picture at [Link: www.littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Bennett

reaganite:

From your words, you dismissed it because it was an Israeli Arab.

No I didn't, you assumed that I did. How many times do I have to say this? You're still twisting my words in order to make your argument.

If you think saying to me:

This is simple, you just made a KKK argument.

... is acceptable, you're sorely mistaken. I'm not a troll, okay? I would never speak to you like that, or assume something about you without having the decency and respect for you to ask you about it first. We obviously operate very differently but I will not accept someone throwing "KKK" at me. Yeah, I went off at you. You wouldn't have? I doubt it.

I'm not even going into your post #159 where you patronize the hell out of me and lecture me about "here in America..." I'm sorry if I thought I'd cleared it up but hadn't, and that it took Mr Pol stepping in to do so (thank you Mr Pol!) but I was hurt and angry and am entitled to defend myself. I don't like being misunderstood or having my words misconstrued any more than the next person. Forgive me for being human.

Fine, last post about this since you don't care to do this by e-mail.

By the same token, you have my e-mail address so if it mattered to you at all, you could just as well have e-mailed me.

You're not who I thought you were as well.

Obviously, or you wouldn't have written this in the first place.

If your son is still reading this, I hope he can understand where I'm coming from, and that when he has misunderstandings with his friends in his life, he will treat them with more care and grace than you seem able to.

Repeat after me:

Mis-un-der-stand-ing

You guys agree on just about everything, so seriously, sort it out.

Sorry about that, Colt. The correct link is here.

#176 Johnathan

No problem whatsoever. Thanks for the link

Religion of Peace My Ass, right?

That's how I read it, Colt. ;-)