Great moments in academia. Watch the moonbats start howling about his academic freedom.

Maybe all those gag columns regarding Saddam Hussein becoming the President of UC Berkeley aren't so far off the mark.

Holy Shit. If I hear people screaming about "academic freedom" over this one I might be forced to go on my own personal Jihad (of course, we all know that merely means a peaceful, internal struggle).

Berkeley. Where else?

I would ask how he got a visa even to come into this country, but...well, we are too politically correct to profile people such as this Jew-hating man.

Of note is a column in the NY Daily News by Stanley Crouch in which he writes,

I, for one, have advocated a 10-year moratorium on immigration from Islamic countries

I couldn't agree more!

The link for his column is here :
Let the military protect the airports

This story definitely qualifies as the Outrage of the Day, showing once again the Saudi corruption of the US academy.

I think this sentence might be more accurate in this case if you took the word "Saudi" out.

And yet, if a professor were to teach books that are truth, like "From Time Immemorial" or "A Durable Peace:Israel Among the Nations," he would be condemned and probably sacked.

He believes it to be true. His belief is as valid as Ms Klein's belief that the 'Protocols' are forgeries.

/anticipating Berkeleys response

I smell promotion for Prof Kadhim...

Where I come from, you have to have a PhD to lecture a University class. And I mean a real PhD, not a self-given one.

Can anyone provide Wilkie-style contact lists for us to blitz?

And speaking of which - anybody know what's happened to Andrew "Bad English Dentistry Is The Least Of My Faults" Wilkie?

Perhaps it's time for Charles to add yet another section - Academic Dishonesty Brought Low by LGF Minions!

I am ashamed to admit I was mis-educated at that awful institution.

Fortunately their diabloical influence was only temporary.

Imagine, if you will, the uproar if a white instructor aired his "belief" that African Americans are genetically inferior, based on some long-discredited "research" study. Or if a Jewish instructor aired her "belief" that Muslims are out to conquer the world, based on a reading of the Koran.

They'd be calling for immediate termination. With extreme prejudice.

But since it's lies about the Jews, I'm sure they'll whitewash it all.

Never mind - contact info is on the FrontPage site

Oops, that should say 'diabolical.' Repeat after me: the preview button is my friend.

Berkeley. Where else?

Exactly.

UC Berkeley - why leave the US when you can attend a terror training camp right here.

I think that's what they have printed on all their materials for the fall semester.

It's Berserkely. Nothing will be done against this asshole.

#13: "Imagine, if you will, the uproar if a white instructor aired his "belief" that African Americans are genetically inferior, based on some long-discredited "research" study."

Sounds like Phillippe Rushton, who's still teaching at the University of Western Ontario.

I keep thinking--why wasn't he teaching how to conjugate verbs or something? Why was he having any discussion about this at all? Doesn't Berkeley have a stated curriculum?

When I took Spanish classes in college and we had discussions (in Spanish, of course), we spoke about the weather or clothes shopping or stuff like that...

You have to wonder how the Protocols came up in a course on Arabic language.

I wonder if the Protocols came up in conversation when the State Department called this ignorant sonofabitch and asked him for advice about Iraq.

Khadhim, a doctoral candidate at UC-Berkeley who participated in the failed 1991 uprising against Saddam Hussein during the first Gulf War, was also contacted by the State Department for his input. After a few lengthy conversations, Khadhim says he sensed that accepting the invitation would be fruitless, that an agenda had already been set by the State Department, and they were only seeking legitimacy for the war.

Yet another example of the neo-Nazi, anti-Israeli/American propaganda that spews from UC Berkeley. I bet that Hussein decided to hide his WMDs under their campus. They probably accepted, you know how much Berkeley citizens love murderous despots, and will do anything to help them commit mass homicide.

PS. With the news of "professor" Kadhim's course material, this should be a call to bring back deportation laws.

My first question when reading the above account was: "What was a discussion of Zionism doing in a class on Iraqi Arabic"?

#3 SoCalJustice:

Why, of course! That's the greater Jihad. I expected no less of such a principled one as you sir! ;)

#13 mommydoc:

That already happened, remember? Not in academia, but in sports--Al Campanis, "don't have the essentials," Jesse "Keep Hope Alive" Jackson with his indignant "washoo tawkin' about Willis" stare.

No double standard here, folks! Move along now.

Berkeley. Where else?

Evergreen? Just about anywhere on the east or west coasts? Granted that Berkeley springs first to mind.

Does anybody have a link to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

NelsonJimmy: try Google.

#25: Yahoo works, too. Though I will not provide the link myself.

BTW all: The site where I found it is called "Radio Islam."

I found this link on the web in case anyone would like to contact Professor Kadhim:

ABBAS KADHIM abbaskadhim@hotmail.com, Kadhim, originally from Najaf, joined in the uprising against Saddam Hussein following the 1991 Gulf War. After the U.S. failed to back the Iraqis trying to overthrow the Iraqi dictator, Kadhim went to Saudi Arabia, where he was detained in a camp for over a year. He is now teaching at the University of California at Berkeley and finishing a doctorate in Islamic Studies

I got this from http://www.accuracy.org/press_releases/PR041603.ht mabbaskadhim@hotmail.com

Repeat the lie enough times, yadda yadda, that's their strategy.

Boy, almost makes me ashamed to be a Berkeley grad. However, I have emailed a friend of mine who is Jewish and teaches in the same department. This will lead to some interesting faculty meetings.

None of you understand postmodernism, and I'm here to enlighten you.

The idea that the "Protocols" is a vicious, anti-Semitic forgery is merely one narrative, and shouldn't be privileged over other narratives. This is true especially because Mr. Kadhim is a Third Worlder; this means he is not subject to the bourgeois prejudices of imperialist power structures. His special insight and his construction of his own narrative are thus free of hegemonic influences.

Rather than being condemned his approach should be celebrated as a true outgrowth of multiculturalism. In order to shake us out of our false consciousness, Kadhim should be encouraged to develop and express to students his unique--well, all right, not so unique--viewpoint.

The posters above are fixated on outmoded concepts that only serve the power structure, like "facts" and "reason." I can think of no better proof that Kadhim should be given ample opportunity to show the students of Berkeley his alternate approaches. This can only have the effect of freeing students from the grip of Empire.

Questions about how the university would react if broadly similar views about blacks were expressed are fatuous. Even if such opinions were based on research and analysis, they would constitute hate speech and might offend some students. They therefore have no place on a university campus.

When placed in their postmodern, multicultural context we can see that Kadhim's remarks advance the cause of liberation. Therefore, any Berkeley students who want him sanctioned are committing hate speech and should be silenced.

They probably accepted, you know how much Berkeley citizens love murderous despots, and will do anything to help them commit mass homicide.

That's stretching it a bit. After all, they don't support the murderous despot known as George Walker Bush.

I am ashamed to admit I was mis-educated at that awful institution.

Me too, but let me assure you that not all departments are equal there. Mine had very balanced, intelligent professors. The human "sciences" are the consistent offenders here.

Even back then, from 18-21, I was disgusted with the radical left -- and I am fairly liberal (hawkish, but liberal). I was pro Gulf War 1 when everyone else was saying "Fuck Bush".

I remember attending an upper level sociology class when the professor assigned us an essay called "The Declining Significance of Race" by a black professor from U of Chicago, last name Wilson. His thesis was that there are many poor, disenfranchised whites as well, and that class, not race, is becoming the distinguishing feature of America's discrimination.

I thought this was a reasonable argument, worthy of discussion, when about two dozen blacks in the audience stood up and boo-ed the professor as a racist.

Must agree with mommydoc: the professor will face no official scrutiny because he is bashing Jews. If this professor had contended that the KKK was started by blacks as a way of currying sympathy, he would have been dismissed immediately.

I have first-hand experience with the hard left. I can confirm your sentiments that thay are intolerant, racist, dumb, knee-jerk, hypocritical and angry with quite a few anecdotes.

#32 Alex Bensky

If LGF were Berkely, and I were the antisemitic ex-soldier of a genocidal dictator, turned lecturer, you would get an A+ and an after hours invitation to my office.

I seriously think that this is our major national weakness. This guy refuses to help the State Department (of a country to which he chose to emigrate to avoid oppression and/or gain wealth) and teaches Judenhass at a major university. He is no doubt as anti-American as he is anti-semitic (lefties - spare me your word games) evidenced by his refusal to help the goverment of the country to which he emigrated.

Our national weakness is our willingness to tolerate and support the Islamic fifth column.

Charles, thank you for bringing this to our attention. It is only by shining a spotlight on evil such as this that we may begin to defend ourselves against it.

Eschew obfuscation
+Photi

Another outrage of the day:

The NY Times attempts to re-write history in a hard news (not op-ed) article today:

The New York Times
August 7, 2003

G.I.'s Have X-Ray Vision. Of Course.

By John Tierney

As an American soldier peered out of a passing tank, a young engineering student and a retired accountant contemplated one of the more common questions on the streets of Baghdad: Did the soldier's wraparound sunglasses give him X-ray vision?

"With those glasses, he can definitely see through women's clothes," said the engineering student, Samer Hamid. "It makes me angry. We are afraid to take our families out on the street."

Just as truth is the first casualty of war, urban legends seem to be the first creation of a military occupation, especially when the cultural gap is as wide as it is here. After life under Mr. Hussein, people here are accustomed to conspiracy theories and ready to believe the worst about anyone in power.

Of course, Americans have been circulating their own kinds of legends, starting with the fantasies a few months ago that the occupying troops would be peacefully welcomed by a nation of grateful flower-waving citizens.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Just another day at the "newspaper of record" (what "record" I'll never know, but certainly not the historical record).
 

33 Faberwear:

How perceptive of you. The U.N. inspectors should find those mass graves in Texas any minute now...

The worst part about the post by #32 Alex Bensky is that I am expecting to see almost exactly that used as a serious defense of Berkeley.

it would seem that the war against islam is already lost

The worst part about the post by #32 Alex Bensky is that I am expecting to see almost exactly that used as a serious defense of Berkeley.

I think #32 was being sarcastic.

BTW someguy & mommydoc:

If NelsonJimmy's comments from this thread are any indication of his world view, it's not entirely clear that his interest in the "Protocols" is purely academic.

As yet another Cal grad who posts here often (what a coincidence!), I can assure everyone here that absolutely nothing will happen, the administration will say nothing, and the press will not cover the story.

This is business as usual at Cal.

Trust me on this one.

#32

That is funny.

My opinion is it isnt multi-culturalism that is bad, but the combination of multi-culturalism and political correctness. Learning about different cultures is a good thing, even if they are mysogenistic, violent, xenaphobic and backwards. When you combine PC with that, where only the "good" portions of a certain culture can be discussed yet any discussion of the "bad" portion of a certain culture is considered hate speach, you present a warped view of these cultures.

This is way OT, but here is a great article that was written in 1996, about where some of today's radical militant islamic terrorists came from.

Blowback

The author is a pretty well-repsected writer on the Middle East from The New Yorker. I didn't smell any obvious bias or indignation in the article. It pretty much just lays out the facts from what I could tell.

You attention span better be longer than 5 minutes though, in order to make it through the whole thing. What you will find the most interesting I suppose are the parts about Saudi funding of militant Islamics and for just how long it has been going on. I don't know why they don't just declassify those 28 pages. Everyone knows what's been going on.

# 41 Yair:

I'd call # 32's post satire.

#42 SoCalJustice

Thanks for the moron alert.

#46 Rick Z Hrrmph! ;-)

#39, #32: the parody is very, very good, and very good parody becomes reality.

I used to joke that there would soon be class action lawsuits against Big Fast Food for making people fat. Well,...

DAFKA urges all readers to write Chancellor Charles Berdhal at the University of California, Berkeley, 100 California Hall, Berkeley, CA 90042 and demand the immediate dismissal of Khadim. Berdhal has taken expense paid vacations in Saudi Arabia courtesy the Saudis and even set up a special Mideast Studies Department on campus (despite one already in existence) which was then financed by Al Qaeda sponsoring sheiks from the royal family. Berdhal also sponsored and welcomed "warmly" Edward Said to campus to give a two hour diatribe against Israel last year. More on this later this week .)

Nothing will be done.

+Photi

Damian #18

Sounds like Phillippe Rushton, who's still teaching at the University of Western Ontario.

Rushton does not speak of "inferiority", but that intelligence is real and hereditary. The research is not outdated or discredited, but is at the cutting edge of brain science. He only kept his job because of tenure and a fierce legal fight.

#32 - LOL! - brilliant.

If you want an excellent background on multiculturism, postmodernism and the history of anti-Americanism, allow me to suggest James Ceaser's RECONSTRUCTING AMERICA. The book is the basis for the article linked to here not long ago, "The Geneaology of Anti-Americanism".

Four comments:

One: I've been a big contributor to Cal over the years (its my alma mater, and my current hometown) but that'll stop if this is not treated appropriately. I'm not one to cry antisemitism in every situation, but I know it when I see it, and this is it.

Two: I hope and believe that the instructor will be reprimanded. There may be plenty of radical nuts at Berkeley who spout all sorts of vile nonsense, but the university has a decent history of policing its excesses, as far as I know. For instance, if I recall correctly, the chancellor reacted pretty well to the rash of antisemitic violence on campus 1-2 years ago.

Three: the majority of the faculty, students and residents of Berkeley are decent and reasonable, although I doubt anyone here would see eye to eye with most of them politically. I hate to see the city or the university demonized for the actions of a contemptible few. However, as I said before, it will be a major test to see if this outrage is treated appropriately.

Four: while in no way excusing the instructor's behavior if it did occur, I'm not ready to get completely up in arms on the basis of one student's complaint. This guy, Iraqi fighter though he may be, is still entitled to some due process, like maybe evidence or further corroboration. Although I agree, there was no reason to be discussing Zionism at all in a language class.

Interestingly, Islam openly aspires for world domination (Jews do it only secretly, and very poorly as well, as evidenced by the small number of them and the fact that they only have one country (and a scrawny one at that, though loveable) while moslems have dozens of countries and many resources) and openly calls for Islamization of the entire world.

(The "Jews do it only secretely" comment was meant in humor)

Multiculturalism; Def:

All viewpoints are true, except the ones we don't like, in which case you are a racist.

# 53 - gw

Prepare to be disillusioned. Cal will do nothing. And those due process rights you speak of will be used as cover for doing nothing.

I spent 6 long years there and I could not disagree with you more that the majority of the faculty and the admin are decent honorable people. They are not. They are committed ideologues who you just never happened to get on the bad side of.

They will go to the wall defending this guy. Just wait and see.

Tell me exactly why I should be surprised that the University system that employs Angela Davis has teachers spouting the protocols of the learned elders of Zion?

You sometimes can fix the body, you can rarely fix the brain.

Alex Bensky is right. To put it more briefly, post-modernism is fascism under a new name.

53 gw writes:

Although I agree, there was no reason to be discussing Zionism at all in a language class.

Just to be clear, gw, you know there's a HUGE difference between Zionism and the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," right?

If reported correctly, this was not a class discussion on Zionism.

It is my opinion that Western Islam is identical to Nazism.

This is business as usual at Cal.

KevinW, what year d'you graduate. Me, '93.

And yes. The minute the university investigates the incident the entire lefty community will hold demonstrations on campus agains the racist chancellor and administration. The guy will become a hero. Israel will be bashed to death. The guy will leave his office and give a speech to the crowd. Everyone will cheer and chant "No more apartheid".

Bah. I was there when radical Latino students took over the Latino Studies building and hung protest banners out the window. The were saying something about the fascist state of California and the evil UC system. I think the cops were called in but I left before the thing broke up.

Ginsberg, he ain't.

But a Ginsberg wannabe? No doubt. I'm sure he churned out this pretentious masturbation in an fiercely-independent coffee house in the Tenderloin (drinking coffee from shade-grown plants, of course), passing the scribbled draft to his friends to gaze in awe at his him, knowing that he is a "great writer." He writes for the Chronicle, after all.

What makes an angry young (and I doubt he's that young anymore, which probably REALLY pisses him off) is his own insignificance. Gee, all those marches, all that sign-holding, all that yellling ... to ZERO EFFECT, bub.

We still went to war. The Iraqi people are free. And you had no effect at all. You are the one who's insignificant.

Now go back to your scribbling. Mommy and Daddy have some very important things to talk about.

Alex #32,

Channelling Kimball, I see--and a fine damned job of it, too. While yours was a post of satire, I wouldn't be surprised if the real defenses of Dr. Kadhim were almost identical to your post.

Where is the peer review (I use the term loosely,) for this guy? What he's saying is akin to a physics professor saying that perpetual motion machines are possible. Don't they understand by not vocally denouncing what this guy is saying about the veracity of the Protocols they will bring into question all of their reputations?

What?

It Berkley?

Nevermind.

61 - Yair

I'm a '93 Cal grad too...History Department...Lived in the Carlton in a studio two floors above Blondie's, hung out daily at the Cafe Milano, studied and worked in Dwinelle Hall...

The whole place left a rotten, rotten taste in my mouth, although it was there that this good liberal started to have second thoughts...

#59 SoCalJustice:

If reported correctly, this was not a class discussion on Zionism.

Actually, it was:

I am writing to call your attention to an incident that occurred August 6, 2003 during the Iraqi Arabic (Arabic15) class, in which I am currently enrolled. The instructer, Abbas Kadhim, announced before the entire class during a discussion on Zionism that he believes that the infamous text "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" is not an anti-Semitic forgery but was in...

66 Gryphon:

Oops. Thanks for catching that.

I should have said that it was not merely a discussion on Zionism because the "Protocols" have absolutely nothing to do with Zionism.

Sorry.

I'm a '93 Cal grad too...History Department...Lived in the Carlton in a studio two floors above Blondie's, hung out daily at the Cafe Milano, studied and worked in Dwinelle Hall...

Lived in Cloyne Court Coop with other weirdos like myself. You probably came to our hot tub during one of our parties. If you got a disease there I wouldn't be surprised. Went to Milano quite frequently as well. Prefer La Vals to Blondies (crispier crust, thinner slice).

Slavic Lang. & Lit. major over here. Also in Dwinelle.

Let me guess...Must be Berkeley, no?

Background and Contact Information For Berkeley:

The course--
15B, SECTION 2 – SPOKEN ARABIC

Instructor: Abbas Kadhim
TT, 12:30-2, 144 Barrows Hall, 3 units, CC#62012
Textbooks: TBA

Three hours of class per week. Practice of speaking an Arabic dialect. May be repeated if different dialect is offered.

Department: Near Eastern Studies, which is part of the College of Letters and Science

Dean of the Arts and Humanities section of the College of Letters and Science: Ralph J. Hexter (who also happens to be the executive Dean of the college).

For assistance with academic personnel issues: Pat Manley, Executive Assistant to the Dean

Chancellor: Robert M. Berdahl

Provost: Paul Gray (He's at the top of the hierarchy for the College of Letters and Science, as well)

do a google search of the prof's name. Some interesting things there.

This is ridiculous. The next thing you know, they will be throwing Darwin out of the classroom and teaching creationism in its place.

From the indespensible George Castanza:

"Remember, it's not a lie if YOU believe it."

#67 SoCalJustice:

I should have said that it was not merely a discussion on Zionism because the "Protocols" have absolutely nothing to do with Zionism.

Well, now, you poor simpleton, you're obviously a Nazionist apologist. Every right-minded thinker knows that, even if the Protocols was forged, the way we disgusting apartheid-loving JOOOZZ behave proves its accuracy anyway!!! Our theft of "Palestine" just falls right in line with this fascist world-domination plot, so bringing up the Protocols in the context of Zionism - which, by the way, you poor benighted fool, is absolutely germane to a language class: we're also racist because we don't force inhabitants of Israel to speak Arabic, never mind that Arabic is an official language of Israel - is proper and linguistically salubrious, you hate-crime-fomenting oppressor, you!

9,10

IIUC a tenure track position or similar long term appointment is labeled Assistant Prof, Associate Prof, or Professor. Someone with a PhD who teaches a class but has no permanent status on the faculty is a "Lecturer". Someone without a PhD is an instructor. Use of an Instructor to teach a class would be especially common in foreign language classes, where the demand is great, and where deep academic knowledge not necessary. Intro language classes especially are "grunt worK" and not likely to be taught by permanent faculty. And Arabic, a language for which there has been a sudden upsurge of demand, its probably particularly hard to get decent instuctors. So this probably is NOT a case of some evil Middle eastern studies post-modernist, profiled by Daniel Pipes, pushing post-modernism. Its just a run of the mill hater, caught up in the shortage of arabic teachers.

Professor Kadhim believes the Protocols? I'm shocked.

Schools reconsidering sheik's donations

In a similar furor in 2001, New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani rejected a $10 million donation to a Sept. 11 charity by a Saudi prince who linked the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington to U.S. policy in the Middle East.

Abbas Kadhim, a lecturer in Arabic and Islamic studies at the University of California at Berkeley, said the vast majority of research groups in the Middle East are "somewhat anti-Zionist" or oppose Israel's policies.

"If you decide not to have relations with anyone who does have anti-Israeli politics or anti-Zionist sentiments, you will never have relations anywhere in the Arab world," he said.

Yep, allowing the institute that bears your name to be used as a forum for Holocaust denial and other anti-Semitism now merely falls under the rubric of opposing Zionism, not anti-Semitism or racism. What a creep.

He "taught" the Protocols.

The f-ing PROTOCOLS?

Any twit with half an ounce of sense can see throught the Czarist tissue paper they're written on.

Even if, EVEN IF, true, they describe the domination of an nationally isolated early-industrial-revolution Europe. What can possible be learned from that?

The Jooos sure as hell need a new edition for the information age. (who was it that wrote "My grandfather used to like reading the Arab Times, because in there, Jews ruled the world.")

This guy is a moron of the 1st order. And what does any action short of termination say except for "Keep your bigotry under wraps, professor" wink, wink, nudge, nudge?

75 Gryphon writes:

you hate-crime-fomenting oppressor, you

I try.

When Arnold S. takes office, can he sweep these anti-Semitic cesspools clean or starve them of funds for such programs?

I would assume that the administrators at UC Berkely do not consider themselves spineless even if they are a pack of clueless invertabrates.

Alex Bensky #32

Excellent. Perfect. Just right.

The journal Philosophy and Literature gives out annual awards for bad writing - Berkeley Prof. Judith Butler won for this sentence, a PoMo masterpiece:

The move from a structuralist account in which capital is understood to structure social relations in relatively homologous ways to a view of hegemony in which power relations are subject to repetition, convergence, and rearticulation brought the question of temporality into the thinking of structure, and marked a shift from a form of Althusserian theory that takes structural totalities as theoretical objects to one in which the insights into the contingent possibility of structure inaugurate a renewed conception of hegemony as bound up with the contingent sites and strategies of the rearticulation of power.

This is the same Judith Butler who wrote to Daniel Pipes, demanding to be added to the Big Enemies List:

I have recently learned that your organization is compiling dossiers on professors at U.S. academic institutions who oppose the Israeli occupation and its brutality, actively support Palestinian rights of self-determination as well as a more informed and intelligent view of Islam than is currently represented in the U.S. media. I would be enormously honored to be counted among those who actively hold these positions and would like to be included in the list of those who are struggling for justice.

Is this book/manifesto/whatever available to read online somewhere, or is it banned or what? I understand that it's fictional, but I want to know what it says, to understand what all the hubbub is about.

I went to UT Austin, but I was stationed in South Oakland (aka Alameda) back in the '80s, and Berkeley isn't all bad. I saw UB40 and Midnight Oil at a show at the Greek. I also saw Eurythmics there. There was a brew pub a couple near the subway station that served excellent nachos and darned tasty home brew. I used to see the horses run at Golden Gate. I ate my first sushi there. My first Ethiopion cuisine. Ditto Cambodian food.

But those people were a little off even then. There was a riot over Cal's plan to build something on property inhabited by homeless squatters, police cars were burned, and then the B city council voted not to press charges. Burning police cars is a valid form of political expression, I guess.

Still, there was more to do in Berkeley than in South Oakland, er Alameda. Except the Webster crawl. Having a beer in every sailor bar along Webster. Good Filipino restaurant on Webster. I loved the pansit, and the San Miguel.

Once, I thought I was doing really well with a woman at the Filipino place, and we agreed to head to a motel, and as we were leaving, she said "you do know I'm a transexual?". Well, I thanked him/her nicely, but didn't go to the hotel. Taught me a valuable lesson about looking for love with beer goggles on, though.

OT, but Taranto is just awesome today. Check it:

Maybe it's time to amend the Constitution to allow foreign-born citizens to serve as president, so long as they have held American citizenship for at least 14 years (the current provision requires 14 years' residency as well as native citizenship). If this were done within five years, Schwarzenegger could run in 2008 to succeed President Bush. Just imagine President Schwarzenegger standing astride the world stage, towering over the puny likes of Jacques Chirac and Gerhard Schroeder. Those guys would start to long for the good old days of George W. Bush.

Har!

The book is directly responsible for many jewish deaths.

If it causes 1 student to believe the fiction, the one student becomes dangerous.

Write to the chancellor soon.

#32 Alex Bensky & #55 Yair

I agree 100% with both of your posts.

Postmodernism is nihilism, pure and simple. It denies objective standards and argues that the truths of mathematics, logic and science are largely subjective. It is thoroughly dishonest and the latest quackery preached by academic frauds.

My letter to the Berkeley Chancellor (cc'd to the other people on Jamie's list - thanks, Jamie)

Dear Chancellor Berdahl:

I have just read Berkeley student Susanna Klein's letter to Dean Hexter regarding the behavior of Abbas Kadhim in his Spoken Arabic class on August 6.

If true, this person is guilty of spreading the worst kind of foul calumny. It proves him to be an anti-Semite worthy of teaching race hatred in a German Nazi-era schoolroom. His statements are lies intended to foster hatred of Jews and to excuse or incite violence against them.

I am writing to express my utter disgust that Berkeley would countenance the employment of such a person. If the allegation is proven, I urge you to avoid tarring Berkeley with the same filthy brush that Khadim is waving by terminating his employment. Anything less would constitute, at the very least, tacit approval of his lies.

Academic freedom does not give you or him the right to falsely ascribe the authorship of a disgusting document like the "Protocols" or to maintain that it is anything but what it is - a horrid piece of anti-Semitic drivel invented in order to facilitate the killing of Jews. To use that freedom to protect him, or to exempt your institution from acting to correct a tremendous breach of academic integrity, would be cowardly and immoral.

Please give this matter your full attention until it is resolved to the advantage of those who understand and appreciate the truth.

Sincerely,

#84 Glen Wishard.

I hope Pipes ignored her. Anyone who writes so attrociously and pretentiously deserves to be ignored.

#32 bravo!

BTW, about Arnold cleaning house in California re the UC system.

I'm not a Cali citizen, but I believe every flaky LLL governor from Brown to Gray has probably packed the courts there with LLL judges, probably way more than Wilson or Deukmajian could offset. Plus you forget with Federal appeals district gets California cases.

So if Arny becomes guv, and tries real reform, the unelected LLL judges will try to stop him every step of the way.

The move from a structuralist account in which capital is understood to structure social relations in relatively homologous ways to a view of hegemony in which power relations are subject to repetition, convergence, and rearticulation brought the question of temporality into the thinking of structure, and marked a shift from a form of Althusserian theory that takes structural totalities as theoretical objects to one in which the insights into the contingent possibility of structure inaugurate a renewed conception of hegemony as bound up with the contingent sites and strategies of the rearticulation of power.

I don't think I'm stupid. I am 99% certain there is not a coherent thought in that paragraph.

Berdahl didn't have that great a reputation at UT, if memory serves.

#94

I am 99% certain there is not a coherent thought in that paragraph.

Haha, did I say paragraph? I meant sentence. All... 94 words of it.

Just did some checking and the address/spelling/ zip code/ chancellor's name as listed at Dafka.org are all wrong. Front Page has since corrected it, but just to be clear--

Correct name/ spelling/ address for Chancellor is--

Chancellor ROBERT BERDAHL
Office of the Chancellor
University of California, Berkeley
200 California Hall, #1500
Berkeley, CA
94720-1500

The problem is not one Arab grad student - the problem is that there are tens of thousands of foreign Arab and Muslim students fouling US colleges. These men come to the US trained in jewhatred and bigotry. When I was in school at the University of Texas ten years ago, the vast majority of antisemitic incidents - hateful letters in the school newspaper, racist comments in class - were the work of foreign Arabs.

#55

Multiculturalism; Def:

All viewpoints are true, except the ones we don't like, in which case you are a racist.

You bigot! Don't you realize that "truth" is an inherently oppressive category? At least that's what my deconstructionist English professor taught me.

Darrell Issa has withdrawn from the California Governors race. In his withdrawal press conference he stunned all of his supporters with an emotional speech. He stated a desire to continue to be our congressman and that he would better serve by pursuing his dream of of Isreal and Palestinian states living side by side in peace. With the whole smear campaign of Gray Davis riding on the platform that the recall was only a right-wing conspiracy led by a power hungry Issa to steal the governorship, Davis must be shi**ing himself right now.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] evariste

Lets see if Arnie can fix California first, what you thin

Gryphon -

Dear Chancellor Berdahl:

I have just read Berkeley student Susanna Klein's letter to Dean Hexter regarding the behavior of Abbas Kadhim in his Spoken Arabic class on August 6.

I'm not sure they'll understand this. Do you mean that you're exploring the multiple contingent possibilities of Susanna Klein's narrative?

Are you using a strategy that will allow you to bypass the traditional pre-post-colonial paradigmatic understanding of structure, while acknowledging the subtextual presence and fundamental inherency of your own racism(s), sexism(s), classism(s), and carbon-based-lifeformism(s)?

Hey, what's wrong with Berklee? A lot of great musicians either studied or taught there - Pat Metheny, John Scofield, Chick Corea, ...

What's the big deal?

/silly sarcasm

Its funny how the left moonbats are against 'hatred', but every sentence they spew are filled with hatred. I guess hatred is okay as long as it's against groups that they are against?

I was at the University of Colorado in the early 80's and the leftist students there were as full of hate and bitterness as any today. Their idea of discourse was to shout you down and scream slogans at you. Reasonable discourse with them was not possible. Once they felt they were losing the discussion on any point, they would revert to personal attacks or raising their voices and throwing the word fascist about.

Is it me, or does it seem that this is the preferred way of discussion for the majority of the left? I know there are those on the right that do this sometimes also, but the left seems to fall back on this more than the right. It's a generalization to some extent, but all generalizations have some basis in fact. From my personal observations over the years, the left is a practitioner of this method more than the right.

On the subject of this clown,
this fellow should be confronted and shown to be the ignorant fool he is. I'd love to see a public debate over the issue and then see this moron get angry and flustered when he is shown to be what he is, an raving anti-semite.

He's a state employee. Can't do anything about it as education aka children are sacred in California. Educators know best! /sarcasm off.

Maybe the Govenator will be able to clean things up.

#79
You're referring to an old joke about two Jews sitting together reading newspapers in Berlin in the '30's. One is reading a Nazi paper, the other asks why, and he answers that at least there's one place where the Jews have power.

#100
Issa is dropping out I suspect because this recall would be the end of his political career. He is getting virtually zero support in polls and for him to bankroll the whole thing and get fewer votes than Gary Coleman would be a disaster for him. I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans line someone up to oppose him in the next primary for his Congressional seat.

By making such a statement, Mr. Kadhim spreads potentially dangerous anti-Semitic propaganda.

Hasn't his statement's dangerous potential been pretty much historically proven?

Except for inclusion of the word "potential", (a glaring nod to her inescapable PC indoctrination - a hard habit to kick), I applaud Ms Klein's direct and to the point letter. Especially calling for nothing less than dismissal.

Sadly, nothing is what will come of it.

Slightly OT, when everyone on this thread refers to "Arnold" as the next California governor...we are talking about Gary Coleman and not Pat Morita, right?

Postmodernism is nihilism, pure and simple. It denies objective standards and argues that the truths of mathematics, logic and science are largely subjective. It is thoroughly dishonest and the latest quackery preached by academic frauds.

Dangerous quackery, because it is preached under the guise of science, by people who are supposed to be "smart", from institutions we trust, from places we send our kids to in order to learn.

The sole goal of it is to undermine logic, reason and common sense so that a propagandistic agenda can be furthered. This was the same goal of Nazi propaganda, and of Mao during the cultural revolution, and of the Soviets, and now Islamofascism from the likes of Edward Said. Everything wrong is right, and everything right is wrong.

It's much easier to lie than to tell the truth. Their tactics are working. Lie, lie, lie and lie until people can't tell up from down.

I remember hearing a story of a scientist who worked during the rise of the Nazis. I don't remember who it was. He said that you had to struggle, fight to not believe the propaganda, because so many believed it, because it infected your soul and you found yourself carried away by it.

Don't forget to email the Daily Californian (student newspaper) with your comments!!!

email:
dailycal@dailycal.org

or

opinion@dailycal.org

Take a look at the Middle East Studies Dept. page for Berkeley. Besides using what looks like an Islamic symbol for the department, it is horribly Islam-centric.

Just take a look at offered classes (ignore Arabic and Hebrew classes for now). One on Judaism in Fall 2003. Three in Spring 2003. Significantly more Islamic studies classes.

Look at the department lecture and movie series. A couple that might have something to do with an Israeli view, many more from an Islamic/Arab viewpoint. Including one film coming from the "country" of Palestine.

Josh, you might get better results by contacting the Berkeley Republican party newspaper:

California Patriot

#102 Glen:

Are you using a strategy that will allow you to bypass the traditional pre-post-colonial paradigmatic understanding of structure, while acknowledging the subtextual presence and fundamental inherency of your own racism(s), sexism(s), classism(s), and carbon-based-lifeformism(s)?

Actually, I'm utilising traditional cultural constructs to transform and reorder the Nietzscheian paradigms endemic to Western academic post-imperialist eschatology.

Also, (channeling Latka Gravis) I'm altering my lifestyle to fit the fast lane.

Somewhat off topic- Darrell Issa has announced he won't run for governor now that Ahhnold is. Issa also said he wants to get back to working with Bush on Middle East peace. Where does Issa stand on the issue?

Lurch 237 (104): "It's a generalization to some extent, but all generalizations have some basis in fact."

Careful. That's what those who believe the Protocols like to say.

#84 Glen Wishard:

The move from a structuralist account in which capital is understood to structure social relations in relatively homologous ways to a view of hegemony in which power relations are subject to repetition, convergence, and rearticulation brought the question of temporality into the thinking of structure, and marked a shift from a form of Althusserian theory that takes structural totalities as theoretical objects to one in which the insights into the contingent possibility of structure inaugurate a renewed conception of hegemony as bound up with the contingent sites and strategies of the rearticulation of power.

TTT ttthhthanks a fuggin lot mann. afTER redding that my bbrain lawked up and i cannnt feel the lef side ofmy fayce.

test.

#113 Zwicker...here is a link to

Issa's web page

#115 Model4

TTT ttthhthanks a fuggin lot mann. afTER redding that my bbrain lawked up and i cannnt feel the lef side ofmy fayce.

That's because the woman is really, really smart. You need to take a course from her to understand her profound insights.

I emailed the story linked to in Israpundit originally at Dafka to Charles yesterday.

The letter at Dafka is different? and its better!

It omits the student's name. So I assume Davka and/or Horowitz got in touch with the writer and encouraged her to publish a formal letter since last night?

Charles do you know how it went down?

Mike

#117

Its not readily apparent from the website. Without making me surf the whole thing, can you please give me a thumbnail sketch of his views? Thanks.

Butler's major achievement is figuring out that when you give a name to some sort of subject or some sort of object you name it. She gets quoted for this discovery which, I guess, justifies her being a Berkeley prof.

Berkeley is a pretty town with lots of places to eat and shop. As far as drinking is concerned, I prefer Oakland and SF. After living and studying in Berkeley for years I had too much of it.

I am willing to bet $10 that this Arabic language lecturer will apologize -- he was ignorant you see, but now that the chancellors brought it to his attention he understands the error of his ways. But, he will add, he still believes in the "rights of Palestinian people to resist the occupation"

I wrote to the chairman of the Near Eastern Studies dept. - Professor Daniel Boyarin - and cc'ed most of the people listed in Jamie's post.

Here's what I wrote:

According to FrontPage magazine, an Arabic instructor in your department, one Abbas Kadhim, was discussing Zionism during his class (why?) and happened to assert that he believed that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion were true, and not a Czarist forgery. If this story is correct, then UC Berkeley has a teacher who is endorsing antisemitism in the classroom. I am sure you are aware that the Protocols are very popular in Arabic countries, where they are used to justify Jew-hatred and terrorist violence. I am horrified that these attitudes are being imported into the United States via our universities - especially our respected public universities. As a California taxpayer, I will not stand for my money being used to support such false, ugly, and dangerous propaganda.

In short, if these allegations are true, I respectfully insist that you dismiss this instructor immediately. Sadly, UC Berkeley already has a reputation for antisemitic violence and virulently anti-Israel rhetoric. I am frankly ashamed that the best public university in my state is associated with such attitudes and behaviors. Please take immediate steps to rectify this situation and prevent it from recurring.

Sincerely,

What law states that outside a war, a soldier from the opponents army is not worthy of respect, similar to ones own army? The US often forgets rules about diplomacy and quickly points fingers at others. So what if served in Saddam's army? Does that mean that no US soldier will ever be allowed to go and work in Iraq or Vietnam if he so chooses?

Give it a break guys.

I don't think Ms. Klein did anyone a favour. Now this worm will be Dean of Academic Studies before the end of the year.

Charles linked me before to a stinging article on Issa by Debbie Schlussel 11/30/2001 - Traitor or Useful Idiot?

Where he "officially" stands on his site I don't know, but you should read the article.

Mike

PS Can anyone answer my question in #119

OT but not really:

Info gleaned from the California Patriot (Thanks, Yair.)

The UC system is getting ready to revamp their academic freedom policy.

The old code "specifically precluded the classroom from being used as a platform for propaganda and stressed intellect over passion, and truth to combat error."

The new system, apparently, does not.

(Boldface below is Gryphon's emphasis)

Professor Gayle Binion, chair of the Academic Senate, said the old policy was a political compromise born of an era when state legislators feared government subversion at UC Berkeley.

The competence of instruction and research is most relevant when it comes to academic freedom, Ms. Binion said, adding that in some fields, “searching for the truth is just plain silly.”

“It isn't about the truth, but about what is interesting,” Ms. Binion said, at the same time stressing that professors must adhere to the facts and cannot just say whatever they wish.

Isn't it depressing to find out we minions are right so often?

#123 starstruck: That's nice, but what the hell are you talking about? We've got a guy at a public university teaching and backing a forgery, which exists only for the purpose of demonizing a race and a religion. You're also being a bit over-broad. Judging by your post, it would be perfectly acceptable to you to have a former Klansman serving in our Senate! A frightening prospect that should never be allowed to stain our nation.

Thank goodness we have the Left to save us from right-wing bigoted religious extremists. Now if only they'd do the same for the ones on their payroll.

starstruck:

The US often forgets rules about diplomacy and quickly points fingers at others.

Explain that remark, and illustrate with examples, please.

Nice letter #122

#123--

Thanks for providing a great example of post-modernist thinking.

This thread from what I see is about this instructor's anti-Jewish ravings inside the classroom.

And--remember that immigration is not a right. It is a privilege and I believe that with that privilege comes an obligation to have loyalty to your newly adopted country.

I personally am the daughter of an immigrant from France and an immigrant from Holland. Both of my parents now regard their country as being the USA. I doubt that this professor has any esteem for the USA and my proof is that he wouldn't help out this government at all before the war with Iraq began this year.

Khadhim, a doctoral candidate at UC-Berkeley who participated in the failed 1991 uprising against Saddam Hussein during the first Gulf War, was also contacted by the State Department for his input. After a few lengthy conversations, Khadhim says he sensed that accepting the invitation would be fruitless, that an agenda had already been set by the State Department, and they were only seeking legitimacy for the war.

#127 Model4:

Judging by your post, it would be perfectly acceptable to you to have a former Klansman serving in our Senate! A frightening prospect that should never be allowed to stain our nation.

Uh, I got some bad news for you...

Again, as I asked in #119 can anyone, Charles, answer why the original letter at Dafka from last night is different than the letter today at Frontpagemag in content. It was better I think.
It also didn't give the writer's name.

Does anyone, Charles, know how this went down?

The email address for Chancellor Robert Berdahl is chanclor@uclink4.berkeley.edu.

Abbas Kadhim's email is abbaskadhim@hotmail.com.

#131 Gryphon: What?! You can't mean it! Those fascist bastards in the GOP actually have a serving Klansman Senator?!?! This should be screaming from the front page headlines of every paper in the nation, until every liberal and progressive joins hearts and arms to march on Washington and shout "Not In Our Name!" We're going to remove this hater from office, and expose the real and not-so-hidden truth about the rabid racism that drives the Republican to the depths of depravity to back such a monster.

#108 Yair

There is a huge difference between the hard sciences and mathematics on the one hand, and the social sciences and the humanities on the other. Almost without exception, the postmodernists come from the latter two areas. Their goal is to advance an anti-Western and anti-capitalist agenda under the guise of breathtakingly profound cultural criticism.

Edward Said is not an Islamofascist, although he is not above whitewashing their barbarism. He is really just your garden-variety anti-American zealot who tends to think with his glands.

#134 Model4:

We're going to remove this hater from office, and expose the real and not-so-hidden truth about the rabid racism that drives the Republican to the depths of depravity to back such a monster.

That's what I said when I first heard about it, and I called up those racist Republicans to give them what fer, and you know what those lying bastards said? You'll never believe this - they said the Klansman in the Kongress wasn't a Republican!!! Well, I just laughed and laughed and laughed, because that would mean the Klansman was a De...Uh oh.

I wrote to the chairman of the Near Eastern Studies dept. - Professor Daniel Boyarin - and cc'ed most of the people listed in Jamie's post.

Boyarin's the chair? This ought to be interesting. More on Boyarin. His book on the attitudes of Talmudic sages about sex is great, BTW. I'm not kidding. it really illuminates the differences between Judaism and Christianity about bodies and souls and sexuality.

Josh (129) - Thanks!

Anyone who wants to borrow & modify my letter should feel free - we just don't want to make it look like a "letter writing campaign," of course...

Polemical Infidel said

There is a huge difference between the hard sciences and mathematics on the one hand, and the social sciences and the humanities on the other. Almost without exception, the postmodernists come from the latter two areas.

2+2 = 4, that's just an imperial white man's narrative. I believe it equals 5, because of the holistic synergies creating a whole greater than the sum of its parts.

Gryphon, Model4: Are you the same person, or did the two of you practice this schtick earlier? This is hilarious!

ADL Anyone?

I just realized nobody mentions writing to the ADL.

Is the ADL useless or just too PC to bother about?

Gryphon:

I just laughed and laughed and laughed, because that would mean the Klansman was a De...Uh oh.

Well, it's not like they put a former Klansman on the Supreme Court, right? Oh no, wait a minute ... never mind.

2+2 = 4, that's just an imperial white man's narrative. I believe it equals 5, because of the holistic synergies creating a whole greater than the sum of its parts.

[Link: www.whysanity.net...]

Little Big Man: Do you hate them? Do you hate the White man now?

Old Lodge Skins: (holding up a scalp) Do you see this fine thing? Do you admire the humanity of it? Because the human beings, my son, they believe everything is alive. Not only man and animals. But also water, earth, stone. And also the things from them... like that hair. The man from whom this hair came, he's bald on the other side, because I now own his scalp! That is the way things are. But the white man, they believe EVERYTHING is dead. Stone, earth, animals. And people! Even their own people! If things keep trying to live, white man will rub them out. That is the difference.

Ok, now I've got that outta my system.

#140 BH:

Gryphon, Model4: Are you the same person, or did the two of you practice this schtick earlier? This is hilarious!

No, BH, this is an example of the synergistic confluence of the post-modernist weltanschauung that one may observe in the interaction between the master/slave paradigmatic construct of corrupt Western ideography and the civilizational programmatic ideation of the Third World.

But thanks!

(slightly drunk - but still well-meaning)

Give me one minute in a room alone with this bastard and we'll solve this problem forever.

#130:

What you are saying is truly Gandhian in principle and Utopian in thought. Where is it written that if a person who takes immigrant status in the US HAS to be beholden to the country and its principles? One can acquire immigrant status for seeking a better future and still not agree with the policies set forth by the US. I thought that the US was one of the few nations, which prides itself in propagating the “freedom of thought” and the “freedom of speech” mindset.

According to your theory, a child who lives at home has no right to tell his/her parents that they are wrong, despite whatever their actions. A person usually pays thousands of dollars to reside in the US, they work and pay taxes and contribute to the economy, yet according to you, they should be brainwashed into reciting the all American mantra or else…….This is pure dictatorship. If their thought process is in opposition to the populous, people like you charge forth using personal examples trying to capture a moral high ground…….disgusting.

Just becuase your parents regard this country as theirs, it does not mean that everyone is supposed to embrace the american values with the same fervor and passion. There are a lot of immigrants who live here, and still consider their roots as their true heritage and take pride in their identity. ...and that my dear, is their RIGHT.

The "Protocols" are not only a forgery, they're also plagiarized. The original version was about a fake conspiracy supposedly planned by Napoleon III.

146 starstruck

Different question for you:

Should professors employed by public universities (regardless of ethnic background, immigration status, or past career as an enemy combatant) be able to hold onto their jobs if they teach their class that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is non-fiction?

I guess I'm due a rant...

Here's another "one minute man"

Honderich argued "the Palestinians do indeed have a moral right to their terrorism"

The article is here.

Starstruck - #146

I'm not that far gone that I can't detect someone who quotes "Ghandi" - and hasn't a clue about the philosophy surrounding the man.

I say this because you obviously haven't read the Bhagavad Gita and thus understood the words "loyalty" and "commitment."

Please go and read the Gita and try to figure out why many of the great sages of the time fought on the side of the Kauravas. Once you've done that, you may be silent.

#148,

Yes they should be since that is their freedom of thought. This is the same as differences in opinion on conflicting issues such as "war", "abortion", "political alignment", "evolution" and "religious beliefs". Professors with opposing views to all these topics continue to thrive in Universities and create healthy discussions regarding the same.

Mike Nargizian:

Again, as I asked in #119 can anyone, Charles, answer why the original letter at Dafka from last night is different than the letter today at Frontpagemag in content. It was better I think. It also didn't give the writer's name.

Mike, I don't know what you're talking about. Here's the Dafka post - the two letters appear identical to me. Both give the writer's name.

#151

So if a Biology professor decides to tell his class that the theory of evolution is nonsense and G-d created the world in precisely 7 days, s/he shoudn't be fired... If a Philosophy teacher tells the class that all abortion is murder, period, end of subject, s/he shouldn't be fired...

If a Sociology professor tells the class that Blacks are inherently inferior to whites or that the Holocaust was the fault of the Jews, s/he shouldn't be fired...

Heck, if an English professor starts pontificating on the evils of modern Islamic thought, s/he shouldn't be fired, either. Because it's all just "freedom of thought."

Uh huh. Professors are paid to teach classes on particular topics. Not ramble about their "thoughts" on unrelated matters - especially matters of fact.

151 starstruck writes:

Yes they should be since that is their freedom of thought. This is the same as differences in opinion on conflicting issues such as "war", "abortion", "political alignment", "evolution" and "religious beliefs". Professors with opposing views to all these topics continue to thrive in Universities and create healthy discussions regarding the same

I was with you (not that you care) about citizenship and past-career as an enemy combatant not being an issue.

But now you've lost me.

This is not the same as "war" or "abortion" or "political alignment" or "evolution" and "religious beliefs."

That's just crazy.

Teaching that a proven forgery is real, especially one used to foment hatred, violence and murder - that has nothing to do with healthy discussions and opposing points of view that make for a thriving University culture.

Sami al-Arian's merely being persecuted for his beliefs, right?

Arthur Butz really adds a lot to Northwestern's healthy discussion about opposing political points of view, doesn't he?

This guy is in that category now.

Keelie,

I have the BHAGVAD GITA in depth, in English, Hindi and in Sanskrit. I am well aware of the sermon given by Lord Krishna to Arjun about taking up arms against his own brothers in order to combat evil even if it came from within the his own family.

I am so glad that u have chosen the Gita as an example because its ideology is a befitting example to this case. You are wrong when you say that the Gita talks about "loyalty" and "commitment" only...in fact Krishna preaches to Arjun at the Battle of Panipat telling him clearly that he has to overcome his deep sense of loyalty towards his brothers and do what is right by his karma and take up arms against them.

I am saying exactly the same by saying that just because someone resides in the US, one does not have to blindly accept all that it stands for...one should use ones own power of discerning and stand up for what they feel right...just like the Gita explains.

Actually, before you point a finger at others by quoting a religious text, make sure that you have read it and understood it in full depth. Also read the upnishads and other Hindu scriptures...

Starstruck opined

There are a lot of immigrants who live here, and still consider their roots as their true heritage and take pride in their identity. ...and that my dear, is their RIGHT

My dear, that would be France.

Slightly OT

Hate and Ignorance

Not only does Abbas Kadhim think the Jews are out to get him, he thinks that the Hindus are too.

Why does it seem like so many muslims think everybody else is out to get them... projection?

#146 Starstruck

if not a parody, then you're at least troll-ish and on the way to full blow trollhood, so debate is rather fruitless.

Thus I say to you: you are a deluded fool. When one emigrates to a new country, one adopts that new country as HOME. If you are simply here for economic benefits, then this is NOT your country. My grandfather came over in 1928 and what did he do? Join the American Bund? Hell, no. He learned english, participated in civic life, and became AMERICAN, without the hyphens or "true roots" gobbledygook.

If one does not support the basic American political regime articulated by the Constitution, then you have no business living here. I don't know where the fuck you get your confused ideas about what rights and responsibilities are in America, and I don't care about you enough to get out the Clue by 4.

American freedom is not the freedom to remake society into the third world hellhole you came from or institute sharia law. It is the freedom to let each person develop as best they can. But one thing is essential for this to work: the collective acceptance of the regime---the Constitution, not the party in power---as good and right and properly ordered. If you can't see that, then may I suggest another country to pollute.

Canada.

Mike Nargizian:

This was linked to by Israpundit yesterday - this must be what you saw.

Note that it's not a different version of the letter. This is her account of what happened; the other piece is her letter to Berkeley about it.

Wait Wait Wait, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are forgeries?

* function.TinFoil Off *

I'm sorry. I just returned from Cairo.

Starstuck is a shining example how the LLL believes everyone is entitled to hold differing beliefs - unless it is informed by jingoistic dictator-like patriotism, in which case such beliefs are WRONG!

157 db:

I don't buy it.

After all, what would Abbas Kadhim know about hate and ignorance?

He's just a harmless Arabic language lecturer who happens to hold unpopular and questionable opinions that are by no means dangerous - because his opinions are just part of the marketplace of ideas that makes Universities such thriving and important institutions.

And yes, some of those ideas are somewhat convtroversial, like "war" or "abortion" or "evolution" or "religion" or "rabid anti-Semitism." But that's what makes University life so beautiful.

Wow, after one exchange with starstruck, I've learned so much.

while I was writing, starstruck revealed itself as a truly deluded creature.

The Baghavad Gita has NOTHING to do with the Ameican notion of ordered liberty.

Ordered liberty is a system apart from "freedom of thought."

This idiotic "right of dissent" and its attendant badge of honor for thinking "independently" is quite simply corrosive to the very freedom off which it feeds like a parasite.

If I say that the universe os a ball supported on the backs of turtles, I'm not being brave, I'm wrong. Just like Professor Asshat is wrong when he says that Jews rule the world according to a diabolical plan outlined in the Protocols.

He's wrong. That's not freedom of thought.

Just like you're wrong, when you say that imigrants do not need to be patriotic. If they don't love America, what purpose do they possible serve for or country.

Seriously, love it or leave it. It's that easy on the fundamental political (constitutional) level.

#136 Gryphon: "The Klansman was a De... ?" You got cut off there. Dedicated Senator? Decisive? Delightful? Dependable? Oh. OHHH! I gotcha now. (wink) That's ok then, he's our kinda guy. Hey, isn't that Condi and Colin over there? You hungry for Oreos all of a sudden? I know I am!

#140 BH: No and no. But thanks! It's sadly too easy when you know these people and their lack of honesty and principles. The Force is obviously stong with our Gryphon! Heck, with high-falutin' showboating like "weltanschauung", I may have to practice up on my chops a little more. Harumph.

#151 - starstruck

So, then, I take it you would support 100% a hypothetical professor of English who assigned David Duke authored "The Mud People" to illustrate how the language can be used to demonstrate the genetic and intellectual inferiority of black people, how they secretly plot to kill us in our sleep and how they should all be executed before they get the chance to act on their nefarious plan?

Listen closely, my friend. Advocating genocidal literature is not within freedom of thought any more than yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theatre is within freedom of speech.

OT: UN launches campaign for Palestinian fence victims

In the United Nations' latest condemnation of Israeli counter-terror measures, the UN Development Program launched an $18 million campaign this week "to address the needs of Palestinian communities affected by Israel's Separation Wall."

#155 - Starstruck

I have read the Gita - and I won't go on about spiritual practises vs intellectual dissertations.

In the Gita, Arjuna bemoans the fact that he is about to do battle with some of the sages that he almost worships. These are good men who happen to be loyal to the leadership of the place at that time, despite the fact that "philosophically" none of them agreed with their "masters."

I'm afraid that one-upmanship in this case fails to impress me. As everyone else on this thread sees and knows, you use sophistry to make an argument that a man can lie in a very evil way, and not be taken to task for this, because it's "his right" to do so. If you had really understood and practised Vedantic philosophy, this attitude would never have arisen; you would have seen the truth for what it is, because it is self-evident.

We sometimes call this "common sense" but these days it's anything but common. Most of the people on this blog have this intuitive knowledge of good and evil. You - by your arguments - do not, despite your self-proclaimed knowledge of the Gita etc.

In case this hasn't already been posted:

WHAT HAPPENED AT BERKELEY CLASS? BERKELEY STUDENT RECOUNTS HER CLASS AT UC BERKELEY

This morning I arrived to my class in Iraqi Arabic (Arabic15) at UC
Berkeley at ten AM. My teacher, Abbas Kadhim, came in a few minutes later.
Several students had not yet arrived, so he began chatting with me and the
other students that were already present. I mentioned that I had read his
quote on Yahoo news the day before. He was quoted as saying: ""If you decide
not to have relations with anyone who does have anti-Israeli politics or
anti-Zionist sentiments, you will never have relations anywhere in the Arab
world,". He claimed to me that he had been misquoted and had in fact said
that he believed that it would be hard to find anyone in the Arab world who
does not oppose Israeli politics, but not Israelis in particular. (By this
point, the majority, if not all, of the class had arrived and it was already
about half past the hour.)
He then launched into a long speech about how much he loves Jews and
Judaism, but he hates Zionism. I asked him how this was possible, and he
responded by claiming that Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism, but was
invented by European Jews. He claimed that the Protocols of the Elders of
Zion serve as an example of Zionist philosophy. I was simply astounded. I
concluded that he was joking and asked him, laughing, if he was joking. He
responded that he was completely serious. I was astounded, and asked him how
he could possibly believe something so absurd. He asserted that everything
that Zionists have done so far has progressed exactly according to the
Protocols, and that it therefore must be a true document. I could not
believe my ears. I asked him again, "Are you sure you believe it was written
by Jews?" He answered that he did indeed, although he felt it important to
clarify that he only meant "Zionist Jews." I again sought confirmation. I
asked him, "You don't believe it was a forgery?" He shot back, laughing,
"Who would have forged it, Muslims?" I tried to explain to him that it was
forged by the Tsar's secret police, and that it is an established fact. He
cut me off dismissively and changed the subject.
This morning my professor lost all academic integrity in my eyes. I have
appealed to the university to investigate. I hope the university realizes
that they bring shame to their institution by employing such an ignoramus on
their teaching staff. I, meanwhile, have a week and a half left in this
course. Since this is an intensive course, that means about eighteen more
hours in a class taught by someone who gives credibility to anti-Semitic
propaganda that cost the lives of thousands of people of my faith. I hope I
can pull through.

damn, sorry for the goofed up margins on that...

Y'all somebitches get off starstruck's case. He, Kadhim and I have got to get gussied up and plant that flaming cross in Clarence Thomas' front yard tonight. Kadhim's giving extra credit to any of his students who haul the kerosene for us. Talk about yer "Academic Freedom" meeting "Free Speech!"

Back me up starstruck, then git yer hood. Ain't nothin' dangerous or wrong about makin' sure the message gets out about them people right? Ask me, it's patriotic dissent. Don't forget, we've gotta catch that flight to Berkeley tomorrow and give that guest lecture about the Heebs and their master plan. Unless another one of these holier-than-thou a-holes feels froggy enough to try and tell us we're wrong.

Incidentally, the instructor's logic--that The Protocols are true because they do indeed mirror what the Jews, er, Zionists, have in fact done, and therefore the fact that Jews are always claiming that The Protocols are a fabrication just proves that they're authentic, is the same logic that Hitler used:

... To what extent the whole existence of this people is based on a continuous lie is shown incomparably by the Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion, so infinitely hated by the Jews. They are based on a forgery, the Frankfurter Zeitung moans and screams once every week: the best proof that they are authentic. What many Jews may do unconsciously is here consciously exposed. And that is what matters. It is completely indifferent from what Jewish brain these disclosures originate; the important thing is that with positively terrifying certainty they reveal the nature and activity of the Jewish people and expose their inner contexts as well as their ultimate final aims. The best criticism applied to them, however, is reality. Anyone who examines the historical development of the last hundred years from the standpoint of this book will at once understand the screaming of the Jewish press. For once this book has become the common property of a people, the Jewish menace may be considered as broken.

Hitler, Adolf. Mein Kampf (München: Zentralverlag der N.S.D.A.P. Franz Eher Nachf., G.M.B.H., 1935). Volume 1; Chapter XI: Nation and Race (pp. 307-308; Mannheim translation).

150 Keelie

please explain...(dont have time to read the Gita)

There is a huge difference between the hard sciences and mathematics on the one hand, and the social sciences and the humanities on the other. Almost without exception, the postmodernists come from the latter two areas. Their goal is to advance an anti-Western and anti-capitalist agenda under the guise of breathtakingly profound cultural criticism.

Back off!

I will not speak for any other lit department anywhere else. I will share my experience with the UC Berkeley Slavic Dept.

1. Many of the professors spent many years under Soviet rule, or fighting Soviet oppression. You will not hear any of this culturally/morally relativistic crap from them. They spent years, *years*, fighting for samizdat writers to have their voices heard. They spent *years* fighting the gulags, insane asylums, and purges that existed in the form SU. They spent half their time dredging up obscure, terrified writers -- writers afraid for their families and friends.

2. They were some of the most honest, critical, good people I have met.

My thesis surveyed five issues of a literary magazine from its Communist roots, through many regimes, till the present. The majority of the focus was on different forms of indoctrination over time.

Do not confuse lit crit over the social sciences. There is a fundamentally different will to power in each area.

This was my experience, other experiences may be different.

#141 Chris J.

I think they are both close to useless and too PC.

It is only my personal opinion, however.

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#151 starstruck

Should a physics professor be able to teach

F = mv^7 ?

Should a mathematics professor be able to teach the pythagorean theorem as:

a^7 + b^7 = c^7 ?

#32 Alex:
You sir are neither truly postmodern (as evidenced by your misrepresentation of truly outdated bifurcation put forth in your ponderous writings) nor very interesting. By positioning yourself as being "the only other" you fail to recognize all others, and their views. Go to Texas A&M, look up Dr. Patrick Slattery (or check his books on bn.com), and he will take your sorry racist self to school on the true postmodernism.
Also, multiculturalism envelopes many different views, not just the opposite of the one presented; and you must acknowledge your own inner bias to be free - since you haven't, stay mired in your own misperceptions. BTW, multisyllabic words do not the scholar make.
Critical pragmatism rules!

Um, I think #32 was in jest...

Had just enough backbone to make me think our homeboy was feeling froggy. So jump, damnit, jump - but do not be misrepresenting two important fields (postmodernism and multiculturism) to support bad humor or horse-assed ideas.

Ploome - #172

I hope my second rant, #167, kind of explains where I see the Gita (and Starstruck) coming from.

I've met people like Starstruck before. They think that by studying a text - or many texts - they have the right (note that) to pontificate on these texts - or, as he has obviously done - apply them to his ideology in order to justify it.

My own approach - rightly or wrongly - is to not merely read the text, but to attempt to apply the content of the text (in this case the Gita, but it can be any of a number of such texts), to my life, as best as possible, given my own human frailties.

When we use only the head we invite all kinds of evil thinking and actions - as typified by Starstruck's misplaced ideas. A balance of "head and heart" is needed to have any chance of understanding these things.

Now I'll stop pontificating. Hope that helps.

This has been an incredible week in the US concerning anti-Jewish hatred. Things have happened that I did not think would ever occur here in the US. First and worst, an anti-Semtic cartoon worthy of Goebbels is published in several major newspapers, Seattle, Philadelphia, etec. When complaints are made about it, the newspapers proclaim freedom of the press and Jews should not be so "thin-skinned", etec. And now Berkeley has a raving anti-Semitic instructor who teaches the Protocals of Zion as fact! Everybody who believes in any sort of decency towards their fellow human beings has to be outraged at this. We must organize, protest, sign petitions and do whatever has to be done to get rid of these monsters in our midst! How did this happen, we must have just closed our eyes for a while and then all of a sudden, the worst images of anti-Semitism reappears, first in Western Europe and now here. We cannot, must not allow this hatred to continue to spread. We must combat and kill it now. And in the future we must always remember that Eternal Virglance is the Price of Freedom.

Freedom of speech and expression EXCEPT for Arabs eh?
That old double-standard again.
One set of rules for Zion...another for the goyim.

#176 eviltwin_chula

Go to Texas A&M, look up Dr. Patrick Slattery (or check his books on bn.com), and he will take your sorry racist self to school on the true postmodernism.

You should go look up Sun Myung Moon. He is my hero -- so smart! I listen to everything he says! He will take your postmodern ass to school! He is a fucking genius!

#181 Benjamin: I have no idea if your post is a joke, but I guess I'll assume you were serious in responding to it.
There is no free speech issue here. Mr. Kadhim is a professor at a publicly funded university and these universities, like any other university, have the right to terminate or refuse to hire teachers who engage in incitement or generally racist speech. Aside from that, Kadhim used his post to advance a political agenda, which also clearly violates his duties as a teacher. Your free speech claim is idiotic and there is no double standard here. Rest assured, if a Jewish teacher engaged in similar attacks against Muslims (by, for example, calling for genocide against them), he would be removed as well(and I would clearly support removing such a teacher). Take your kindergarten philosophy somewhere else.

With freedom comes responsibility, to recognize that all humans (such as yourself, an Arab, or a Jew) have the right to say what they want, and the right to the reprecussions of their speech - which includes getting sanctioned for abuse of that right.

Honor killings in London--
"Muslim killed for daring to pursue divorce cash claim"
[Link: news.independent.co.uk...]

Benjamin Freedman - #181

Like Andrew (#183) I don't know if you're having us on...

No matter. I think freedom of speech is great. Fully support it. I also support fully accepting the consequences of your free speech. That could get pretty ugly. In fact, I fully support it getting ugly if need be. If you don't want bad things to happen to you, watch what you say, because what you say is a pretty good indicator of what you think and that's in turnb, a pretty good indicator of what you want to do or what you want others to do.

Get it?

#146

Don't even know if it is worth responding to you since you seem so closed minded...but...

To be American means not wanting to destroy the country and wanting to adapt to its social mores...

I think that before you can disagree with your newly adopted country, you have to assimilate. I dare say that Professor Khadhim has not at all assimilated. He is not doing a doctorate in "American" studies (which from what I have seen tends to be anti-American studies 99 times out of 100). He is doing it in Islamic studies (whatever that means).

I think that immigrants have a special obligation towards their adopted countries...perhaps they should mute their criticism...hey, they are invited guests at least until they become citizens...from what I can see, Instructor Kadhim has not been in this country long enough to have become a citizen...and when he becomes a citizen, this is the OATH he will have to take:

I HEREBY DECLARE, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely
renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign
prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I
have heretofore been a subject or citizen;

That I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of
the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and
domestic;
That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;
That I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when
required by the law;
That I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces
of the United States when required by the law;
That I will perform work of national importance under civilian
direction when required by the law;
and that I take this obligation freely without any mental
reservation or purpose of evasion:
SO HELP ME GOD.

Please notice that this says that "I will support and defend the constitution...AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC and that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same."

Also, I'd like to add a thought on free speech. There's no term that has been overused and generally abused as much as 'freedom of speech.' It's used by leftists all the time as a response to criticism, even when no one is calling for censorship. People have begun trotting out the 'freedom of speech' canard in response to Mel Gibson's 'Passion' movie, even though no one is calling for the film's release to be blocked, but rather, encouraging Gibson to listen to the concerns of Jewish and Catholic groups. I'm tired of it. Here's a simple rule of thumb. If the matter in question does not involve the government passing a law to abridge someone's right of expression, don't invoke freedom of speech. Some people concede that the first amendment is limited in scope to acts of government but they say, 'Yeah, but there ought to be a broader spirit of free speech that protects people more generally.' My problem with the idea of the 'spirit of free speech' is that, inevitably, in ends up abridging some people's actual free speech. For example, if you tell a private company that they can't fire a Nazi or some other repellant character, because of some spirit of free speech that is nowhere in the constitution, you actually end up infringing on the company's actual right of free speech: they have lost the right to illustrate their disdain for this person's beliefs by terminating him. Free speech goes both ways. Nothing is stopping this "scholar" from arguing his position in the public square or attempting to convince others to follow his example. But there is no "right" to be employed as a professor in the US Constitution. Let's stop these excessive free speech claims.

#158 Hobgoblin,

Well said. And that's another reason why I will never live in Canada again.

Oh yeah. I remember starstruck. That Klan thing isn't too far off the mark. I had to shed my 'nice girl' act on him.

On the subject of academic idiocy, Brigham Young University professor Tom Catherall will be speaking at David Irving's traveling jewhating, Holocaust-denying road show later this month. While I have no specific evidence that Catherall is a nazi kook, I can't imagine that a non-racist would want to be affiliated with a David Irving conference. Check out some of the speakers to get a good idea of the modern far left/far right/Muslim mishmash of hate.

[The address of the website with the information on the conference is banned from being posted on LGF, but Googling Catherall's name and the words "Real History" or "David Irving" will get you to the evidence.]

"Listen closely, my friend. Advocating genocidal literature is not within freedom of thought any more than yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theatre is within freedom of speech. "

I disagree. One reason for freedom of speech is so that the fools may self identify.

The problem is hardly ever bad speech. It is that few speak against it. Fortunately not a big problem in this country what with the internet and all.

#193 M. Simon

The problem is hardly ever bad speech. It is that few speak against it. Fortunately not a big problem in this country what with the internet and all.

But anyone who speaks out against it is labled a hate-monger, as someone who advocates censorship, as someone who needs to be silenced.

Juliette - #190

So THAT's Starstruck!!! I guess my intuition was correct.

Nice turn of phrase in your response. Straight from the gut; no mincing of words.

Juliette #190,

I seemed to remember a puerile "starstruck" a while ago. Thanks for the reminder.

RadioMattM #193,

Talking to yourself?

On Topic - Umm, is the world spinning oddly lately or something? Or have the Jew-haters always been around like this and have I not noticed?

Ariel,

In addition to the Jew-haters, I'm beginning to think that anti-Americanism has been around for quite some time and we've been just ignoring it, because we could.

Not that I'm putting anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism on the same plane, because they're not.

I mean that while I wasn't looking, the U.N. and the E.U. put in place a whole slew of anti-American policies. And I only started focusing on it after Sept. 11.

I just did some digging on this asshat, and found this disturbing message that I don't know if he authored, but he did mail it to a yahoo group:

HINDUS BURNING THE HOLY QURAN

PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO AS MANY MUSLIMS AS YOU CAN IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES SO THAT IT MAY REACHES THE MEDIA WHICH WILL -FOR SURE- COVER IT AS WEEL AS IT DESERVES, AND THE MUSLIMS ALLOVER THE WORLD MAY KNOW & DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.

THIS IS AN EXCLUSIVE PICTURE AND IT'S THE ONLY PROOF OF THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN DONE BY THE HINDUS

Here is the link to the message.

I think that before you can disagree with your newly adopted country, you have to assimilate.

zzz rewind!

I am very "assimilated", but I don't agree with this at all. It simply isn't the issue.

Look at the the ultra-orthodox Jews in Brooklyn. It is up for debate whether they are assimilated. They live in a self-imposed ghetto, practice arranged marriage, dress like 15th century Polish idiots, should I add more?

Amish: basically the same thing, except they farm.

The Jews in Pre-WWII Germany were as assimilated as you can get. Some of them were only 1/10 Jewish. You couldn't tell they were Jewish if you tried, even if they didn't try to hide it. They were involved in every aspect of German life.

But what happened to them?

Now look at the 9/11 hijackers. They were not your average looking Taliban dipshit. They went to strip clubs, shaved, etc.

The point is, you don't necessarily have to "assimilate" in order to love your country.

What I *do* expect is that the American Muslim community *decry*, *rail against* the sheer barbarism of the world they hail from. That they quit whining about discriminatin and start whining about female genital mutilation, sharia law, summary executions, terror, poverty, squalor, hatred.

Kapish?

I've often wondered why leftists smear LGF in their blogs and message boards and websites, yet they don't come here and debate very often (or very well when they do)
I think this thread shows why.
You guys are the lefts worse nightmare.

And I love to read you guys in action.

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

--Old Chinese proverb

Paladin, I've removed all doubt, haven't I. ;-)

And I love to read you guys in action.

You are one of "us" now. Welcome aboard!

Yair:
perhaps "assimilate" was the wrong word...but immigrants do have an obligation to serve their new countries and not to undermine it.

Most if not all orthodox Jews from what I understand observe all US laws, do not try to subvert US laws and do not wish for this country to operate under Talmudic (is that the correct term...if it is not, please forgive me) law...

As for the 9/11 hijackers being assimilated...they may have worn the clothes and dressed the part, but they were far from assimilated...they never mixed with Americans (most Orthodox Jews do...several of the teachers in the public school I teach in are ultra-Orthodox) and well...

Yair,

Maybe it could be re-phrased? Before you can be welcome to make your home in America, you have to subscribe to the basic American creed - which means believing in the legitimacy of the Bill of Rights, independent judiciary, transfer of power by elections as opposed to violence, the rule of law, etc. etc.

Of course we are all going to have debate/disagreement/dissent about *how* those basic principles should be *applied* in any given situation. But if someone doesn't believe in Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, etc., then I doubt we can tolerate whatever it is they do believe in.

Capisce? :-)

Refer you to Yechiel Eckstein's article --

"A New Definition of Tolerance"

Please forgive me, but I wanted to come here first and post, I'll go back and read. However things are getting very heated. I've been having a running battle on other boards (Yahoo USNews in particular) with someone who lurks here and uses (on these boards) some of the most ugly anti-Semitic language plus smears LGF as a "hate site." That doesn't bother me so much (I consider the source) but I'm cybersurfing like crazy to post countering facts to the hatefilled diatribes lifted from sites that alarm me. One in particular [Link: www.jewsagainsttheoccupation.org...]
There is nothing on that site to indicate it is "jewish" but it is slick and it is very anti-Israel..it even trots out the canard about "zionists" in cahoots with Nazi's in WWII! Anyone have an expose of this group, I'd love to see it.

christine j, Marianne:

Good points! I am very concerned about this country and what will happen if Islamofascism takes over. I think we need to stop Muslim immigration, for example.

I'm not disagreeing with you two, but the issue is complicated.

The problem is: How do you tell when somebody is loyal to the US?

Before you can be welcome to make your home in America, you have to subscribe to the basic American creed - which means believing in the legitimacy of the Bill of Rights, independent judiciary, transfer of power by elections as opposed to violence, the rule of law, etc. etc.

How do you know is someone subscribes to the "basic American creed"? Because they tell you they do? I'm sure the 9/11 hijackers would have said "Hell ya, we subscribe to the American creed."

perhaps "assimilate" was the wrong word...but immigrants do have an obligation to serve their new countries and not to undermine it.

Agree completely, but what does it mean to "undermine". Should we deport not only the anti-American raging Imams, but also 50% of the left wing college professors in the country?

Most if not all orthodox Jews from what I understand observe all US laws

Correct. So do *most* Muslims. The 9/11 hijackers obeyed the law up until they blew up the towers.

As for the 9/11 hijackers being assimilated...they may have worn the clothes and dressed the part, but they were far from assimilated

How could you tell, prior to the tragedy?

and do not wish for this country to operate under Talmudic (is that the correct term...if it is not, please forgive me) law...

You referred to and spelled "Talmudic" perfectly. ;-) And no, they don't want the US to be a talmudic state.

#190 Juliette: NICE bust! Had a hunch we were dealing with a serious bigot in starstruck. Thanks for exposing it to some disinfecting sunlight.

Yair (206),

How do you know is someone subscribes to the "basic American creed"? Because they tell you they do? I'm sure the 9/11 hijackers would have said "Hell ya, we subscribe to the American creed."

Well, that's a good question, I have to admit. And of course I'm not in favor of McCarthy-type ways of finding out. ("Are you now or have you ever been, a member of the Communist party?") But, then again, that CAIR guy whose name I can't remember, pretty much said outright that he wants America to become an Islamic country.

Now look at the 9/11 hijackers. They were not your average looking Taliban dipshit. They went to strip clubs, shaved, etc.

Strip clubs? When my husband wants to go out with the guys, they're usually headed for Home Depot to look at the tractors and power tools. That's life in suburbia for you. If the extremists really want to blend in, they should hold down steady jobs and grill hamburgers on the weekends like everybody else. :-) But yeah, I know what you're saying. Someone who wants to blow up the White House is not going to announce the fact in advance.

Hmmm, I just thought of something.

Strip clubs? When my husband wants to go out with the guys, they're usually headed for Home Depot to look at the tractors and power tools.

At least, that's where they tell me they are going...!

But, then again, that CAIR guy whose name I can't remember, pretty much said outright that he wants America to become an Islamic country.

Ibrahim Hooper worries me as well. I get a very bad feeling from him.

BTW, thanks for the link. Agree with the article 100%.

Y.

At least, that's where they tell me they are going...!

Boys will be boys! ;-)

Juliette (#190)

Beautifully done on our old friend, starstruck ;-)

muslim=vermin

Here's a special message to eviltwin_chula: I WAS BEING SARCASTIC.

But yes, I don't doubt that a defense much like that of my little pardoy will in fact be made. It'll probably succeed, too, and Kadhim is going to be a hero. Then again, our government seems to place a fair amount of trust in Mohammed Abbas, who has written an entire book on the holocaust wasn't really such a big deal.

The hell of it is, theoretically you could almost make a case for Kadhim, ignorant and noxious schmuck that he is, being covered by academic freedom. I say "theoretically" because in the real world anyone expressing similar views about more favorited minorities would not keep his job. If the administration took no action he'd be hounded out by his colleagues and students.

And the truth is, no matter what the university does, to a substantial portion of the faculty and student body, Kadhim is now a hero. Excuse me--I mean, the "truth" is...

#213: STFU and STFD. You've obviously wandered into the wrong blog. Try a white supremacist blog. You'll fit in better there.

"TS" in #199 asked why "leftists" didn't post here very often...I can say that I am hardly a leftist but am one who disagrees with the bigotry of this board and also with the general tone of Israel-first that is rampant here.

The problem is that many people who disagree with the Jewish supremecy and Arab-bashing that you lot gleefully (and with much cowardice and even anti-Americanism) engage in seem to have their IP address blocked by your cowardly "leader" when they dare speak up. He seems to think that your little brains are so fragile that he's aftaid that his indoctrination will be wiped out by dissent.

Here are the facts - Israel is NOT a friend. Zionism IS racism. Our relationship with Israel is destined to cause more 9/11's. Israel is not worth a single American life.
The neocons in this current administration are traitors.
We have no business in Iraq. Regaedless of what that apologist in Florida has to say, the USS Liberty WAS targeted on purpose by Israel. The Lavon Affair is something we should study. Sharon IS a war criminal.

Understand those facts and you go a long way to correcting the lies you're fed here. And that's what this place does, indoctrinates growing minds in a anti-American philosophy that puts Israel first at the expense of our republic.

Here are the facts - Israel is NOT a friend. Zionism IS racism. Our relationship with Israel is destined to cause more 9/11's. Israel is not worth a single American life.

Facts? Documentation, please. Right now all you have done is present your opinions and simply declared them to be facts. Not exactly the same thing.

216 Benjamin Freedman

Saudi, Egypt, Pakistan, France and Iran are our friends and allies...

hehe

Oy gevault. Mommydoc, can you manufacture a moron-suppression gene?

BF:

Here are the facts:

You're are a foul imbecile. You're a disgusting worm. You're a putrid Jew-hater. Go ooze your pus on VNN where you belong.

Mommydoc -
It is highly likely your cowardly leader will block IPs again so keep that in mind.
Facts? Try the USS Liberty debacle and the Lavon Affair. Those 2 incidents give one the essence of the Israeli modus operandi. The motto of the Mossad too gives clear proof of their ways. We are only damaged by our "special" and coerced relationship with Israel.
9/11 is directly attributable to it and there will ever be more until and unless we sever ties with that troublesome nation. Bush's handlers are now occupying Iraq SIMPLY BECAUSE they scare poor poor Israel. Our troops are DYING for Israel. It's not acceptable.

Yair: Better minds than I have tried and failed, sadly. One can only hope they don't reproduce, but we know even that is futile.

Q-
Enough of the "Jew hater" sob story eh?
The whole "monopoly on suffering" racket doesn't work any longer.

#221: You're a little unclear on the concept of ducumentation. Supply credible references that prove your points. So far you're just passing gas. Through your keyboard.

Must have been "educated" at Berkeley.

#216 Benjamin Freedman: Wow. Great conspiracy theory stuff there, with the brand new twist that the Jews are behind the evil in the world. AND we get the added benefit of your pointing out the bigotry of everyone else but yourself on this board. Color me indebted.

As far as "Israel-first" goes, I'm going to have to seek your continued help in stripping away the blinders I must have allowed the Zionist Overlords to slip over my eyes. Now that you mention it, this board's overarching message of "Stop murdering agnostics, Atheists, Bhuddists, Christians, Hindus, Jews, Muslims, Wiccans and Zoastrians" really can be seen as a genocidal colonialist aparthied Hebrew master plan.

Your brand new take on the ills of the world is a rational breath of fresh air. If only once in the History of Man someone had your intellectual clarity and moral courage to stand up to the accursed Jew and place him under heel, imagine the paradise we'd all be living in now!

#207 Model4:

#190 Juliette: NICE bust!

Thanks, I get that all the time. Oh, you mean my POST! ;-)

Thanks for exposing it to some disinfecting sunlight.

It appears that the troll has turned to stone.

Chances are decent that our new visitor Mr. Freedman is a follower of Farrakhan.

GAZE.

Benjamin - #216 -

I suggest you go to dictionary.com and look up the definitions of

opinion

and of

fact

and see just which one your post in 216 is closer to. If you've got facts - good, solid, verifiable fact (and not verifiable as in 'I got it off Indymedia' or other slanted site) then that's one thing, and more power to ya. If all you've got is opinion, and demand that it be taken as fact because YOU believe it and thus it doesn't need to be verifiable anywhere else - you'll have a hard time of it here.

J.

Most if not all orthodox Jews from what I understand observe all US laws, do not try to subvert US laws

In fact, the Talmud has some discussion about when the Jewish community should support the local government where it resides (remember this was written 400-800 AD, mostly in Babylonia). The recommendation is to pray for the success of the government, for the purpose of ensuring public safety and the welfare of the local Jewish community.

. . . . such communal acknowledgment is the basis for a prayer for the government, which has been a fixture of synagogue services on Shabbat morning after the Torah reading for centuries. The Talmud draws an analogy between fish and humans. It is only the authority of the government which prevents humans from devouring each other like fish in the sea. Hence we are advised to pray for its welfare, for no matter how arbitrary or discriminatory a government might be, as long as it maintains a semblance of law and order it is preferable to mob rule (BT Avodah Zarah 4a).

As the Kingdom of Judah unraveled at the beginning of the sixth century BCE and the Babylonians deported its leading citizens, this is precisely the farsighted counsel that the prophet Jeremiah issued: "Seek the welfare of the city to which I have exiled you and pray to the Lord in its behalf; for in its prosperity you shall prosper (Jeremiah 29:7).

Most American Jewish prayerbooks from all denominations contain a prayer for the American government.

Nothing new about it MODEL4.
Not sure where you've been the last century or so.
Do you get out much?

mommydoc:

Must have been "educated" at Berkeley.

Note that "eh". A Canadian?

MOMMYDOC -

Farrakhan?
How trite. Nifty comeback.
Are you a Kahane follower?
You seem the type.
Probably a fan of the JDL too...funny how terrorism is only bad when it's Islamic terrorism...or right wing Christians.

When I first came to live in Baja Berkeley (north Oakland, to the uninitiated) I was surprised to be kept awake by the yipping and howling of coyotes. I mentioned this to a neighbor, who gestured toward the UC bell tower and replied "Them ain't coyotes."

Parenthetically, way back in 1967 I was on a milk run train between Ariquepa and Cuzco in Peru. At one stop a gaggle of ~15 year old schoolgirls boarded, giggling and carrying brightly-colored new schoolbooks. I finally got a look at the title: Los Protocolos de los Viejos de Sion.

God, those girls were cute. I hope a lot has changed in the last 35 years.

Nothing new about it MODEL4.

Indeed.

Didn't we tell you to fuck off, you toxic gob of pus?

Sigh. Never mind, I see what sort of person you are. Fossilized thought patterns, intent on blaming the evils of the world not on who does the evil, but some unseen malign power.

Quick thought, not that I expect you to really consider this -

If the Jews were so malevolent and powerful as you try to make them out to be, and so proficient at behind-the-scenes manipulation of virtually everything that goes on, and so ensconced in the media they control all that we see and hear...

Why would they permit anyone to hate them?

Think about it...

J.

GOOD GOD Benjamin

The Liberty case has been settled, it was an ACCIDENT.

'Course a leftist engaging in the visceral will not consider inconvenient facts on the matter.

Not once in your little spiel of ad homenim spittle did you ever think that Islamofascism has any responsiblity at all for the Hamas credo "from river to sea, Palestine will be free [Judenrein]"

And, being good lefty you are, freedom of speech is for you alone, and you spit on private property rights.

May I suggest a good education in Western Civilization before you spew again?

May I suggest you start here (feel free to ignore, it's pretty good anti-Idiotarian medicine and thusly you'll feel some pain)

Israel without apology

Earth to Benni

the tiny JDL which had been rejected by mainstream Jewish organizations ceased to exist when Rubin did a swan dive into concrete.

meshugga

JLAWSON -

Not an unseen power but a very apparent one...but one that scares and threatens. Ask Charles Percy or Pete McClosky what happens when you dare question our policy towards Israel. Ask Mervyn Dymally, Cynthia McKinney or Ed Zschau.

I never said one word about "the Jews" and clearly it isn't "the Jews" but really "the Zionists" Christian, Jew, Athiest...that is THE problem.
SO get off the "racist" canard.

DARLEEN -

I'm loving being called a "lefty" since the John Birch Society and Pat Buchanan and other good Americans with whom I personally associate are usually called silly names on the other side of the spectrum.
If loving America FIRST is a "lefty" proposition I guess I'm all red.

Everyone ignore the 'tard.

GAZE

P.S.: mommydoc, stop making fun of me 'n' KevinV's alma mater. It's not all bad, just the social "sciences".

Darleen (#237):

when Rubin did a swan dive into concrete

Not to engage in conspiracy-mongering, but there is a pretty good chance Rubin was murdered by the peace-loving prison Muslims (good ideological buddies of Benni here).

Bennie Bennie Bennie Bennie :::sigh::

stop being so coy...that "I don't hate Jews, its the Zionists I can't stand" is such an old figleaf, on par with the "I'm not racist! Some of my best friends are [fill in minority of choice]"

Darleen,

Benjamin has never read anything about the Liberty incident, except the indymedia kiddy brochure they handed out.

#232 benjamin trollman

Benny, still waiting for your facts about Israel not being a friend to the USA et. al.

Here are some facts for you from myths and facts about Israel:

MYTH:
"The land of Israel is really the land of Palestine."

FACT:
The term "Palestine" is believed to be derived from the Philistines, an Aegean people who, in the 12th Century BC, settled along the Mediterranean coastal plain of what is now Israel and the Gaza Strip. In the second century AD, after crushing the last Jewish revolt, the Romans first applied the name Palaestina to Judea (the southern portion of what is now called the West Bank) in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. The Arabic word Filastin is derived from Latin. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.

MYTH:
"The Jews have no historic claim to Israel."

FACT:
Only one group of people have continuously lived in Israel for the past 3,700 years - the Jews. Jerusalem, in particular, has had a Jewish majority since the 1840s, 40 years prior to the beginnings of Zionism. Seventy-five percent of the land in east Jerusalem, which the press calls "historically Arab east Jerusalem," has been owned by Jews since 1947. The nations that inhabited the land prior to the Jews are no longer in existence, for they have been absorbed into various other peoples throughout the millennia. The Arabs of Israel only came to the land in 632 with the Muslim invasion.

MYTH:
"The creation of the state of Israel in 1948 changed political and border arrangements between independent states that had existed for centuries."

FACT:
The boundaries of most Middle East countries were arbitrarily fixed by the Western powers after Turkey was defeated in World War I and the French and British mandates were set up. The areas allotted to Israel under the UN Partition Plan had all been under the control of the Ottomans, who had ruled Palestine from 1517 until 1917. When Turkey was defeated in World War I, the French took over the area now known as Lebanon and Syria. The British assumed control of Palestine and Iraq. In 1926, the borders were redrawn and Lebanon was separated from Syria. Britain installed the Emir Faisal, who had been deposed by the French in Syria, as ruler of the new kingdom of Iraq. In 1922, the British created the emirate of Transjordan, which incorporated all of Palestine east of the Jordan River. This was done so that the Emir Abdullah, whose family had been defeated in tribal warfare in the Arabian peninsula, would have a kingdom to rule. None of the countries that border Israel became independent until this century. Many other Arab nations became independent after Israel.

MYTH:
"Israel violates the human rights of the Palestinian Arabs."

FACT:
The facts are different. Israel granted full citizenship to all of the Palestinian Arabs who fell within its borders after the War of Independence. Arabic is an official language in Israel. Israel remains to this day one of the few countries in the Middle East where Arabs can legitimately vote--and it is the only one where women can vote.

MYTH:
"The West Bank is part of Jordan."

FACT:
The West Bank was never legally part of Jordan. Under the UN's 1947 Partition Plan--which the Jews accepted and the Arabs rejected--it was to have been part of an independent Arab state in western Palestine. But the Jordanian army invaded and occupied it during the 1948 war. In 1950, Jordan annexed the West Bank. Only two governments--Great Britain and Pakistan--formally recognized the Jordanian takeover. The rest of the world, including the United States, never did. During the 1950-1967 period of its occupation, Jordan permitted terrorists to launch raids into Israel. Amman lost the West Bank after the Jordanian army entered the 1967 war.

MYTH:
"The Temple Mount has always been a Muslim holy place and Judaism has no connection to the site."

FACT:
The area of Solomon's Stables is believed to date as far back as the construction of Solomon's Temple. According to Josephus, it was in existence and was used as a place of refuge by the Jews at the time of the conquest of Jerusalem by Titus in the year 70 A.D. More authoritatively, the Koran--the holy book of Islam--describes Solomon's construction of the First Temple (34:13) and recounts the destruction of the First and Second Temples (17:7). The Jewish connection to the Temple Mount dates back more than 3,000 years and is rooted in tradition and history. When Abraham bound his son, Isaac, upon an altar as a sacrifice to God, he did so atop Mount Moriah, today's Temple Mount.

MYTH:
"Under Israeli rule, religious freedom has been curbed in Jerusalem."

FACT:
After the 1967 war, Israel abolished all the discriminatory laws promulgated by Jordan and adopted its own tough standard for safeguarding access to religious shrines. "Whoever does anything that is likely to violate the freedom of access of the members of the various religions to the places sacred to them," Israeli law stipulates, "is liable to imprisonment for a term of five years." Israel also entrusted administration of the holy places to their respective religious authorities. Thus, for example, the Muslim Waqf has responsibility for the mosques on the Temple Mount.

Click on the link above for more facts!

Neat the way you've got that covered Darleen.
Accordind to your logic 101 there is no way to disagree with racist Zionism without being anti-Jew. Neat.
How DO you guys do it?

And the Liberty incident is a CLEAR CASE of Israeli aggression against their only friend in the world. Biting hard the hand that sustains them. I suggest BODY OF SECRETS by James Bamford. Mostly about the NSA it has a wonderful chapter on the Liberty and also on Northwoods.

When done with that learn about the Lavon Affair.

Benny:

I guess I'm all red.

You're brown. As in "covered with shit brownshirt".

See what I was saying earlier? All you have to do is lie, lie and lie! If you just keep repeating the lies ...

Bennie

Let me clarify, heavens, I wouldn't want you to think bad of me!!

When I use the term "lefty" I'm not talking about classical liberalism (something that now is to be found under the conservative/libertarian rubric)... the New Left of America is decidely anti-intellectual (yes, gratuitious Rand moment), it aspires to collectivism, groupthink and the powerlessness of individuals. It loves state nannyism. And since the basic tenets of the USA are decidely individualistic, it sneers at patriotism ("last refuge of the scoundrel!" ..if I had a nickel everytime I heard that phrase parroted anytime pride in America is brought up..!!) and, in an effort to "look good" it champions "underdogs", the more pathetic the better, and deliberately ignores or hides the viciousness of them. This was evident in the pro-Saddam marches organized by A.N.S.W.E.R. in which the usual contingent of anti-Semites could be found.

But, on a gut level (since they don't use their head much) American wingnut lefties know they can't attack the US directly...they got their tail feathers crisped when on 9/12/01 they rushed to print with all the reasons why the US was really to blame for the day before. So, next best thing is to attack the only post of Western Civilization in the Middle East...Israel.

It's pretty pathetic, really, because American lefties are no more safe from the Islamofascist they seek to keep in power or bring to power than the Jew child murdered in her crib within Israel proper. We are kaffir and our proper place in the Islmac society is as dhimmi.

Don't know about you, but I won't wear a burqa.

Just for you ChristineJ
American Free Press
Israel Shamir

Read and grow up...or move to Israel since it is clear you despise America.

And Q...you're just a little gnat.
Namecalling like that.
Zionism is the only political movement one cannot attack without being called silly names. Wonder why that is.

Folks: Don't waste your breath; the troll has already declared itself. Not a member of the LLL but

...since the John Birch Society and Pat Buchanan and other good Americans with whom I personally associate...

Of course, it's also whining about the demise of Cynthia bint Kinney, so I'm more than a little suspicious. Whatever; a troll by any other name is just as pathetic.

GAZE

Whew!

Dispose of one troll and another springs up to take its place.

Ben,

When Jewish radicals start blowing up American embassies, murdering a dozens of Americans and HUNDREDS of Kenyans/Tanzanians; when they start maiming and raping and enslaving Christian and animist Sudanese, all in the name of their religion, get back to us.

Otherwise, FOAD and GAZE.

#216 Benjamin

Thanks so much for telling me what is the correct way to think. I appreciate you stating your opinions. Please don't hesitate to do so again, when you feel the need to grace us with your wisdom and knowledge.

You Said:

"Here are the facts - Israel is NOT a friend."

You have not supplied *facts*. These are opinions.
What do you base this *opinion* on? Change this to
some facts by citing examples and on line sources.

"Zionism IS racism."

Why? Zionism is not against anyone, nor is it limited
to one group. Did you know Evangelical Christians
are Zionists?
Give an example of how this is racist.

" Our relationship with Israel is destined to cause more 9/11's."

I doubt this very much. It was not the sole cause
of the first one.
This ranks up there in credibility with the predictions
we would be slaughtered in Baghdad and Afghanistan,
and the 'Arab Street' would rise up against us.

" Israel is not worth a single American life."

For you, what would be worth an American life?
What would *you* be willing to die for?

"The neocons in this current administration are traitors."

Who do you mean and how have they betrayed the
US?
Do you place them on the same level as the US citizens
who have taken up actual weapons and fired on US
troops?

"We have no business in Iraq."

Why not?

" Regaedless of what that apologist in Florida has to say, the USS Liberty WAS targeted on purpose by Israel."

This has been investigated ad naseum by our own
people. It is not true. The *facts* don't back up
this assertion.
You can repeat it as often as you want. Believe it as
deeply as you want. That DOES NOT CHANGE
FACTS!!

"Sharon IS a war criminal."

How?

"Understand those facts and you go a long way to correcting the lies you're fed here."

You didn't state any facts. You made assertions. Let's see your facts.

" And that's what this place does, indoctrinates growing minds in a anti-American philosophy that puts Israel first at the expense of our republic."

I'm flattered someone believes I have a growing mind.
Listen, I didn't fall off the turnip truck last week. My mind has been growing for quite some time. I used to be a radical back in the 60's. My mind has been stretched in many directions, around many ideologies.

I don't put Israel first. However, Israel is fighting the same bunch of nutz that want to kill US citizens. Israel is an ally. Did you note on Sept. 11, *who* was dancing in the streets? It wasn't the Israelis!!

I support Israel's right to self defense. I don't see Israel through rose colored glasses any more than I see the US that way.

Why can't I support Israel's right to exist and defend itself and at the same time be a true US Patriot? How does my support of Israel make me anti-US?

And Q...you're just a little gnat.

Is that the best you can do, shit-worm?

I'm trying to figure out why the Jews don't just take over America militarily, since the Liberty incident clearly illustrates their confidence in defeating us on the field of battle, and America's inability to defend herself or her forces against Israel's military.

It's starting to look like the Jews Zionists (wink) must be controlling everything from behind the scenes. Does anyone else wonder if their apparent desire to claw out an existance from a small scrap of desert land, beset upon on all sides by enemies who decry their very presence, is just part of an elaborate ruse? Think about it people! Wouldn't any people with this much malice and influence be a danger to us all? Benjamin, would it be in our best interest to keep better tabs on their comings and goings, and perhaps restrict their movements, to limit the harm they can wreak on the innocent?

I'm sleeping with one eye open tonight! But at least now I know enough to do so, all thanks to you Ben.

Oh, I knew, just knew it was coming!

move to Israel since it is clear you despise America

Right up there with the "...some of my best friends..." shuck and jive.

Do all these nuttero's hang at the same clubs or what? Or just share the same brain, passing it around going "ooo, looky there! them be some Jews trying to keep Israel from being destroyed! Let's go tell 'em to move there! ain't it be fun?"

It's getting nasty out there on even the so-called moderate left... they are now pissing all over Lieberman.

[Link: www.thenation.com...]

158 hobgoblin 8/7/2003 03:55PM

What a great post!

mommydoc (#250):

Of course, it's also whining about the demise of Cynthia bint Kinney

Yeah, isn't it rich that the self-professed "America-firster" is barely holding his cum over Cindy the Saudi Whore? That is, a real traitor?

I really am ambivalent about posting here. But, a little history on "Benjamin Freedman" is in order.

This is the name of a well-known antisemite from the 1950's. His great achievement was to libel and slander the first female assistant secretary of defense who happened to be Jewish and was responsible to the integration of the armed forces.
Freedman testified before some of the worst congressional antisemites to ever occupy a seat in Congress.
He claimed he was Jewish though in reality in continued to promote the blood-libel at every opportunity.
He was a far- right lunatic who hatred of anyone and everything Jewish was well known.

Charles, ban this guy. The fact that he is using this name more than suggests what this antisemite is really up to.

Gee, Benny...I guess you really don't hate Jews... the sites you told me to go to are not at all dripping with Jew-hatred...

Let's see now...look what I found on American Free Press

Israeli agents responsible for 9/11

Now, that certainly is not Jew-hating stuff. No, no, no...not at all...

And about Israelshamir.net...well, the man is completely nuts...his writing is barely readable and that backgroud music inspires bulimia...

What did he mean when he wrote, "Germans actually tried to create a Jewish state in Poland, probably for the same altruistic reasons." Is he talking about Auschwitz or Majdanek or Treblinka? What Jewish state did Poland try to create?

And read on:

The Jewish State of America (the JSA) does not have to be contiguous: it can use the pattern established by Jews for the Goyim in Palestine. However, the citizens of the JSA should not be allowed to vote in the USA, or influence its discourse, or hold property in the USA, in full compliance with Avnery’s ideas on Palestine. Their property outside the boundaries can be dealt with the same way the Jewish state in Palestine dealt with Gentile property. It will solve the main problem on the way to democracy in Palestine presented by Avnery, namely: “American Jewry has immense political, economic and media might, and they will not lose it for many years to come”. The might of American Jewry contained within the limits of the JSA would not matter much for the rest of the world. It will solve the second problem presented by Avnery: “the Arabs are becoming more and more the bogyman of the Western world”, for with the Jews safely contained in the JSA, the USA will pay attention to its own interests and will become the best friend of the Arabs.

HUH???

Well, all you have done is proven to me that you are indeed a Jew hater who reads bizarre Jew-hating websites and your grasp of psychology is weak at best.

You told me to grow up...wow! Great advice!!!

Here is some advice to you--go seek out several therapists to find out what happened in your childhood to make you hate Jews so much and also make you deny that you hate Jews.

By the way, the real Benjamin Freedman has been dead for years ( praise G-d). In dying, he joined his long-time friend Gerald L.K. Smith whose "Cross and the Sword" Freedman regularly appeared.

As a recovering leftist, I offer this to the currently deluded...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Your views are misguided, misinformed, and manipulated. Realize, this culture of martyrdom wants you dead. You can not bribe them with aid and cute liittle bioweapons to pacify them. They are manipulative and will wait, smiling, for you to slip up so they can fulfill their sadistic vision of divine tyranny.

I will say however (probably to the distain of most here) that the U.S and Israel DO do 'bad' things. But, this must be done to contain archaic cultures from trying to kill themselves to kill us. It's pretty goddamn simple.

I know saving the world is a fun identity, but you are nothing more than a tool.

Benjamin the slave of Allah,

I love it when trolls like you post that you will be banned for your insipid posts. That it remains is just the most obvious evidence of your inability to separate truth from fiction.

Out of curiousity, in your shari'atopic society, would you have to stone to death gay fruit flies? Curious minds (hobgoblin, do you hear this?) want to know.

Our friend Benjamin Freedman is a nazi from Stormfront or VNN. If you Google "Benjamin Freedman" you will find jewhating conspricy theories peddled by the David Duke/National Alliance crowd. Apparantly there is a book by a man who wrote under that name that updated the Protocols to 1940's America. Nazi websites are fond of quoting this nonsense since it is purported to have been written by a Jew. What is very interesting is that many of the main arguments that the Nazis use to damn Jews and Israel are identical to those found in leftwing circles and in publications such as the Progressive and Counterpunch. That's why its sometimes hard to tell if our troll is sitting at his computer wearing boots or sandals.

Darleen - Umm, the nation is hardly a center-left mag.

Lumiere - FWIW, justdanny posted an apology to you in one of the threads (don't remember where).

Ether--
Great post--as a former lefty I agree with you heartily...

I haven't been to Israel yet but I do know that if I had to choose one country in the Middle east to live in, then my only choice would be Israel.

As a woman, I would be less than dirt in any of the Muslim countries...

I was never anti-Israel though because I was always impressed with the fact that women serve in the Israeli army and that Israel had a female prime minister...and that despite problems with sexism and discrimination (problems that are also in the USA), there is not the level of complete and rabid misogyny in Israel that there is in every other country in the Middle East.

These left-wing Israel haters seem to forget that they would fit in beautifully in Tel Aviv and would be stoned to death in Riyadh or Ramallah or Tehran or Damascus and so on...

Just to clarify ... the quoted first fe paragraphs were written by little green dramamine...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

His feelings of resentment and betrayal helped me to express to those of Jewish heritage that there is hope for those thought lost. The truth is undeniable and some won't realize it until it explodes in their face.

Benjamin Freedman let me give a piece of advice. Your contrarian views are certainly welcome here. However, when you come to a group that is generally pro-Zionist and pro-Israel, this means that to persuade us, you're going to have to offer some facts to back up your statements. As #252 Chris points out, you have not done that. You simply make a statement like 'The attack on the liberty was a clear case of unprovoked aggression' without any factual basis. On the liberty, read this piece by Michael Oren

then come back here and explain why his conclusions are incorrect. What evidence do you have that Israel is not a friend? As for your 9/11 assertion, it's been pretty conclusively established by now that Osama Bin Laden's main beef was with the U.S. military presence in Saudi Arabia, and that he didn;t really care about Israel. You're a classic leftist fool(or far rightist. I don't know which one, and if you ask me, the far left and the far right have more in common than apart nowadays). You offer blanket statements with no attempt at proof or factual support. And then you accuse of us of being anti-intellectual!? And as for your oft-repeated line that you are anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic, the two are the same thing, unless you are willing to denounce ALL other national liberation movements, as that is all Zionism is. You're a fool and unless you're prepared to engage in real debate, I have no idea why you're here

Ariel

You're correct about The Nation..they are far left. However, I was concerned about how the Deanites (The Angry Left) have gotten the Demo party in general (and most of them I wouldconsider moderate/center left) in a "except Lieberman" stance. There is much I like about Lieberman, the man, and I remember going toe to toe with idiots who trotted out when he was running for the VP spot that he was incapable of discharging his duties of office because he was an observant Jew.

I never thought the tinfoilhattedness of the loony right with their "vince foster was murdered! The Clintons dealt drugs from the gov mansion" rants could be out done...

I was wrong

'Interesting' reading at the sites given by Benjamin.

Benjamin:

Do you recall what happened to the last guy who blamed the Jews for every evil and provided 'places' for them to live (like ghettos and camps)? Why do you think your brand of anti-Semitism will succeed? Hitler thought his would too. Be careful not to follow too closely in his footsteps.

You do realize that if Israel's enemies in the ME succeed in eliminating Israel it will encourage them to believe they can eliminate others? Unless you are willing to believe *exactly* as they do, they will kill you.

Your dislike of the Jews doesn't trump an unwillingness to convert to their ways. Be very careful who you consider your allies in your anti-Israel/Jewish crusade.
Any group of people who can hate and malign another group can easily decide you are the enemy.

Actually, the same would have been true had Hitler won. Unless you're one of his 'perfect Aryans', he would have no use for you. Hitler was well known for using people and then killing them when it suited him.

Don't follow the ideology of history's losers. Their ideology didn't get them very far, in the end.

These are some of anisemitic ravings that "Benjamin Freedman" wrote and that are on the web. Anyone who models themseves after the identity of this peice of antisemitic trash is not be welcomed anywhere in the civilized world:
---
Zionists Rule the US
The First World War
Stalemate in 1916. Zionist Offer to get USA into the War
USA Railroaded into World War I after Balfour Declaration
Versailles
Effect on Germans when they understood Jewish Activity
Freedman says World War I was started against Germany
German Camps in 1933
Germans fought Jewish Control
1933: Jews Declare Sacred War (and Trade War) on Germany
Reichskristallnacht and Rearmament
1961: Nuclear War? For Israel?
Secrecy (e.g. 1916 Zionist deal with USA) can happen again
History of 'Jews'
Kol Nidre: Evidence of Disloyalty

#216 Coward Who Didn't Give his Real Name
I can say that I am hardly a leftist but am one who disagrees with the bigotry of this board and also with the general tone of Israel-first that is rampant here.

Lefties and Righties post all over this board, though likely more lefties. Plus, many left wing thoughtful bloggers and libertarians link often to this blog. Glenn Reynolds, Jeff Jarvis, Normablog (Marxist Brit), Roger Simon (60's Anti Gov't Hippy who liked Scheer back then), Samizdate etc.. The board and many others are being ANTI-IDIOTS.

The problem is that many people who disagree with the Jewish

#216 Coward Who Didn't Give his Real Name
I can say that I am hardly a leftist but am one who disagrees with the bigotry of this board and also with the general tone of Israel-first that is rampant here.

Lefties and Righties post all over this board, though likely more lefties. Plus, many left wing thoughtful bloggers and libertarians link often to this blog. Glenn Reynolds, Jeff Jarvis, Normablog (Marxist Brit), Roger Simon (60's Anti Gov't Hippy who liked Scheer back then), Samizdate etc.. The board and many others are being ANTI-IDIOTS.

The problem is that many people who disagree with the Jewish supremecy

And right before he accused this place of bigotry?
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was a typo, and not that you can't spell.

and Arab-bashing that you lot gleefully (and with much cowardice and even anti-Americanism)

Gee, all one would have to do is read some of the boards you likely hang out at wrh, indymedia, vanguard to see who hates America. And as far as cowardice, you flee, how about providing your real name?

engage in seem to have their IP address blocked by your cowardly "leader" when they dare speak up. He seems to think that your little brains are so fragile that he's aftaid that his indoctrination will be wiped out by dissent.

Oh yes, that's it, I know I'd be deathly afraid of you! lol... At least we know who Charles Johnson is, apparently you are afraid to reveal your real name and address so Charles could address you properly?

Here are the facts - Israel is NOT a friend. Zionism IS racism. Our relationship with Israel is destined to cause more 9/11's. Israel is not worth a single American life.
The neocons in this current administration are traitors.
We have no business in Iraq. Regaedless of what that apologist in Florida has to say, the USS Liberty WAS targeted on purpose by Israel. The Lavon Affair is something we should study. Sharon IS a war criminal.

I think the best part about that list, which he memorized from wrh is the last sentence. The Lavon Affair is worth studying. It only happened 50 years ago, but its relevant to today's events. LMAO!! And of course, Sharon is a war criminal! How much an idiot could he be? At least dress up your diatribe a little better so people might wrongly assume you have some intelligence? I bet he knows the date of the USS Liberty but not a thing about the 241 Marines killed by Hezbullah, or the hostages taken by Iran. If he had a fucking brain he'd know that Israel is just the excuse, Ben Laden barely mentioned Palestine until recently and the Palestinians themselves even bitched that all of a sudden Ben Laden began mentioning them after 9/11 when it became convenient. Moonbats, and liars galore.

Understand those facts and you go a long way to correcting the lies you're fed here. And that's what this place does, indoctrinates growing minds in a anti-American philosophy that puts Israel first at the expense of our republic.

Yes, there are people here that "hate" America, LMAO!
I know I often have repeated in my sleep that -
America is the Great Satan, we are kuffars and unbelivers, dancing on 9/11, brainwash kids that Jihad is an honorable life goal, to honor kill sisters for marrying or talking to a kuffar, preaching Jihad against Kuffars to little kids, believe in a cult ideologoy of pure hatred the Nazis couldn't do Justice to. YUP, we know who the real haters are they're Charles and all of the others like Matt Welch, Ken Layne, Hugh Hewitt, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh... Yup we all know!

Your kind is old and repetitive. Your agenda has nothing to do with America only hating Jews. Your a pussy and a coward so go crawl back to your fellow scum haters and commiserate. Why do you need attention here? Don't you have better things to do with your life?
Uhhh, well actually probably not since you feel its important in your life to memorize any possible hatred of Jooos. LOL..

Mike

#216 Coward Who Didn't Give his Real Name
I can say that I am hardly a leftist but am one who disagrees with the bigotry of this board and also with the general tone of Israel-first that is rampant here.

Lefties and Righties post all over this board, though likely more lefties. Plus, many left wing thoughtful bloggers and libertarians link often to this blog. Glenn Reynolds, Jeff Jarvis, Normablog (Marxist Brit), Roger Simon (60's Anti Gov't Hippy who liked Scheer back then), Samizdate etc.. The board and many others are being ANTI-IDIOTS.

The problem is that many people who disagree with the Jewish supremecy

And right before he accused this place of bigotry?
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was a typo, and not that you can't spell.

and Arab-bashing that you lot gleefully (and with much cowardice and even anti-Americanism)

Gee, all one would have to do is read some of the boards you likely hang out at wrh, indymedia, vanguard to see who hates America. And as far as cowardice, you flee, how about providing your real name?

engage in seem to have their IP address blocked by your cowardly "leader" when they dare speak up. He seems to think that your little brains are so fragile that he's aftaid that his indoctrination will be wiped out by dissent.

Oh yes, that's it, I know I'd be deathly afraid of you! lol... At least we know who Charles Johnson is, apparently you are afraid to reveal your real name and address so Charles could address you properly?

Here are the facts - Israel is NOT a friend. Zionism IS racism. Our relationship with Israel is destined to cause more 9/11's. Israel is not worth a single American life.
The neocons in this current administration are traitors.
We have no business in Iraq. Regaedless of what that apologist in Florida has to say, the USS Liberty WAS targeted on purpose by Israel. The Lavon Affair is something we should study. Sharon IS a war criminal.

I think the best part about that list, which he memorized from wrh is the last sentence. The Lavon Affair is worth studying. It only happened 50 years ago, but its relevant to today's events. LMAO!! And of course, Sharon is a war criminal! How much an idiot could he be? At least dress up your diatribe a little better so people might wrongly assume you have some intelligence? I bet he knows the date of the USS Liberty but not a thing about the 241 Marines killed by Hezbullah, or the hostages taken by Iran. If he had a fucking brain he'd know that Israel is just the excuse, Ben Laden barely mentioned Palestine until recently and the Palestinians themselves even bitched that all of a sudden Ben Laden began mentioning them after 9/11 when it became convenient. Moonbats, and liars galore.

Understand those facts and you go a long way to correcting the lies you're fed here. And that's what this place does, indoctrinates growing minds in a anti-American philosophy that puts Israel first at the expense of our republic.

Yes, there are people here that "hate" America, LMAO!
I know I often have repeated in my sleep that -
America is the Great Satan, we are kuffars and unbelivers, dancing on 9/11, brainwash kids that Jihad is an honorable life goal, to honor kill sisters for marrying or talking to a kuffar, preaching Jihad against Kuffars to little kids, believe in a cult ideologoy of pure hatred the Nazis couldn't do Justice to. YUP, we know who the real haters are they're Charles and all of the others like Matt Welch, Ken Layne, Hugh Hewitt, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh... Yup we all know!

Your kind is old and repetitive. Your agenda has nothing to do with America only hating Jews. Your a pussy and a coward so go crawl back to your fellow scum haters and commiserate. Why do you need attention here? Don't you have better things to do with your life?
Uhhh, well actually probably not since you feel its important in your life to memorize any possible hatred of Jooos. LOL..

Mike

Join the John Birch Society, holding off the Reds.
We'll use our hands and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads.

One of my all time favorite Chad Mitchell Trio songs.