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-RetweetRadical Islamic Voter Drive

Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 9:12:08 am PDT

Radical Islamic front group MPAC (Muslim Public Affairs Council) has mutated into something called the Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation, and is launching a campaign to register millions of Muslims in America and mobilize them to vote in the 2004 elections: Muslim-American Group to Mobilize Voters. (Hat tip: Doctor Bean.)

"Campaign V.I.P: Voting is Power" is aimed at registering some 2.5 million Muslim-Americans, said Mahdi Bray, the group's executive director. Mosque surveys estimate 750,000 Muslim-Americans are currently registered, he said on the eve of the campaign's start.

"Many, when they come to this country, tend to become insular," Bray said. "We're trying to get people out in the communities and active in the civic process. We want them in parent-teacher associations, rotary clubs, public service organizations."

He said there are 7 million Muslim-Americans.

Once again we see Mahdi Bray attempting to promote the vastly inflated figure of “7 million” Muslims; realistic estimates put the number at more like 3 million.

Mahdi Bray is well-known at LGF; at last year’s anti-war rallies at the National Mall, he stood on stage and cheered as CAIR representative “Dr.” Ghazi Khaksan announced, “I bring to you salaams and greetings from the Mujahadeen at CAIR.” Steven Emerson’s book American Jihad has the following information about Bray, giving good reason to be concerned about the agenda he and his Saudi Wahhabi backers will push in this voter registration drive:

On December 22, 2000, MPAC's Mahdi Bray organized a rally in Lafayette Park outside the White House to celebrate a "Worldwide Day for Jerusalem." In Arabic, the crowd responsively chanted with the emcee, "Khaybar, Khaybar oh Jews, the Army of Muhammad is coming for you!" Posters calling for "Death to Israel" and equating the Star of David with the Nazi swastika were openly displayed and anti-Semitic literature calling for the destruction of the Jews and Israel was distributed. Members of the crowd burned the Israeli flag while marching from the White House to the State Department.

Bray spoke at this rally, along with Imam Mohammed al-Asi, former director of the Islamic Education Center in Potomac, Maryland, who exhorted the crowd to violence in the name of Islam. Al-Asi said, "Now, all our khatibs (speakers), our imams, our public speakers, should be concentrating on militarizing the Muslim public. This is not a time to make a speaking issue out of this ... Muslims have to familiarize themselves with every means possible ... Rhetoric is not going to liberate Al Quds and Al Aqsa. Only carrying arms will do this task. And it's not going to be someone else who is going to carry arms for you and for me. It is you and me who are going to have to carry these arms."

Notice that the rally described above occurred before the 9/11 attacks, when Bray and the MSA and MPAC and CAIR were much more open and unguarded about their hatred. They’ve learned to conceal their true faces a little better now.

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1 aaron's rantblog  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:16:30am

Reminds me... I need to renew my NRA membership.

2 iowahawk  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:18:28am

I slam
You slam
We all slam
For Islam

3 D.C. Law  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:19:45am

Take the bastards out.

4 billhedrick  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:20:39am

7 mil? I thought the latest number was 10 mil...

5 Howard  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:22:05am
Mosque surveys estimate 750,000 Muslim-Americans are currently registered

What ? where are the 6-7 million muslims they claim are here already ?? You know the ones haveng there civil rights abused daily ???

HG

6 Howard  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:22:48am
He said there are 7 million Muslim-Americans

Ah there it is
HG

7 BH  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:22:49am

Nothing a little gerrymandering can't fix.

8 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:23:06am

*sigh* Time to vote Republican, I guess. Congrats, this article just made me change my affilitation.

9 bull  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:26:51am

Charles,

Surely you jest!

ISLAM = PEACE!!!

10 Model4  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:28:04am

Wouldn't this be a grand time to sit out an election cycle, from an organized Muslim group perspective anyhow? I can only imagine that Dem social policy would be utterly abhorent to Muslims, with the other choice being GW. Wouldn't the resulting debate likely set off an infinite-loop of fatwahs?

11 Bleeding heart conservative  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:29:54am

Imagine HAMAS and CAIR's disappointment when Bush wins again.


You know, making terrorist statements in Lafayette park may not be very bright, but it sure is uesful... for us. You know that area is covered in surveillance, recorded... so the FBI and NSA have copious intel on the attendees. Maybe that's how they caught that group in Manasseh , VA.
Then again, that was in 2000.

يعود يسوع . أعدّ .

12 Glen Wishard  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:30:09am

I predict that Democratic speechwriters will be looking for ways to use the words salaam and jihad in every script. Even cooler than Spanish. Even cooler than pro-active, empowerment, or paradigm!

I can hear Dennis the Menace now: "We need a jihad on poverty! We need a jihad in our schools!"

13 iagofest  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:31:53am

Who are they going to vote for? Dean? Kuchinich? Sharpton? Suppose Lieberman gets the nomination, then will they vote for Nader? Perhaps they'll get Osama to run on the Islamic Mujahadeen ticket.

14 BLUE STAR  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:32:40am

Ah yes... bringing the joy of Sharia to you local
schoolboard, PTA and Rotary Club.

And if you ask them about what they think of Jooos,
or where they get their funding from -

You're a bigot!

15 yeti  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:33:25am

The Islamo-American voting dilemma:

Dems -- pro abortion, militant about women's rights, pro-gay marriage, lots of Jewish voters, etc.

Republicans -- W, crushing Taliban and Saddam, hunt for bin Laden, Wolfowitz, protocols of Zion, etc.

"OK, so now we're registered, who do we vote for?"

16 snopes  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:38:35am

I wonder about the choices faced by American Muslims too. But I think they are in "anti" mode...meaning anti-Bush, anti-Ashcroft. So they'll vote Democratic by default.

17 papertiger  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:41:32am

Not worried about the national scope but you can bet some counties in Michigan will introduce SHaria after the local elections.

18 BH  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:41:32am

They'll vote for whomever they think is sympathetic to their causes. That means the Democrats.

Gotta love the paradox, though. Their main allies are for less law and order and wary of anyone holding firm religious beliefs.

19 datarat  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:41:48am

Can't wait for the Mulim Ladies Auxiliary Voting Guidlines. The potential for hypocrisy is unparallelled...

20 Bleeding heart conservative  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:43:01am

#12 Totally! LOL


#13 But if they vote Nader, they'll have a harder time killing us all, didn't you know he could have prevented 9-11 singlehandedly?

#14 NEA will have a cognitive dissonance nightmare on their hands, trying to capitulate to multi-cultural ideals for muslims while eradicating religion from the public schools and instituting new-age paganism.
Imagine little Sultana coming home with pictures of her purple dragon spirit-guide. "A djinn!!! ALLAHU AKBAR! Parent teacher conference coming up inshallah... where's the C-4?"

سيعود يسوع . أعدّ

21 bunuel  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:45:37am

Starts reminding one of Europe: Paris maybe, or even London.
Gingrich speaks ,on his blog site, in a wide-ranging speech which is relevent both to this post and the more recent one about inflappable Powell, about Hamas etc. and the fact that the West does not have a strategy to fight a total war. In reality it is not clear that the West understands the nature of that a war which is already in progress against it

22 Celissa  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:48:38am

#16 snopes

I think they will vote Dem because the Socialist element in the Dem party are more willing to hand over the nation than the Republicans.
Waging jihad is easier when the nation has pussified the men and I don't think that 4 years of W. has been enough to hand back all the balls that were taken during Godzillary's reign. If another Dem gets in in 2004, what little re-balling progress has been made will be quickly lost under a flurry of anti-testosterone policies. The gun control lobby will strengthen, homeland security will be even suckier, and our military... forget it.

Hell, in the name of multi-culturalism, Dems would kill their own Co-Provider of Original Life Force™ (mothers).

So, even though many of the Democrat policies are anathema to Islam, it would be the most expedient way to facilitate the take-over. I believe most of us here are well versed in the policies of expedience and deceit instituted by Muhammad...

23 Keelie  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:49:38am

Well when you add the home-grown apologists for Islamofascism, the number is at least 7 million. Actually I'd put it far higher. Just a hunch.

The real total may be far scarier.

24 Bleeding heart conservative  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:49:53am

#15 , 16,
Just look at how the left is ignoring who they are, and you know who they'll side with. The ones they've successfully deceived.

#18- Sympathy, and enabling denial

سيحكم يسوع على المسلمي& #1606;

25 JG  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:50:14am

Long term prediction:

If the Muslim registered voters numbers matches the Jewish registered voters, then at that point more politicians will start pandering to the Muslim constituents and either lessen their support for Israel or water down pro-Israel stance.

Israel will see that they're futher isolated and their foreign aid budget not only reduced but attached with more onerous terms.

So right now it is the obligation of every Jews in the USA to register, vote and contribute to AIPAC.

Short term prediction:

In a matter of weeks, Israel will re-acquire their backgone, recognize that they're a soverign nation and not the 51st state of the USA, and formally tell Colon Bowell to stuff it where the sun doesn't shine. The RoachMap will be declared dead and IDF/Mossad/Israeli spooks will go after the top terrorists with gusto and will not stop until every single leader is killed, no matter how loud the world is demanding that they stop.

JG

26 yeti  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:51:01am

#22

So, in a few years, the GOP will become the new left (Democratic party taken over by jihadists).

27 bunuel  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 7:56:11am

Here an article by Daniel Pipes on the subject.

28 Celissa  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 8:01:07am

#26 yeti

Hell, at the rate the Republicans are going ("Islam is a religion of peace, blah blah blah" "This doesn't stop the Roadmap") it shouldn't take too long.

God, I'm depressed...

;-)

29 Glen Wishard  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 8:03:05am

yeti -

in a few years, the GOP will become the new left ...

I just pictured myself driving a banana-yellow microbus with SUICIDE BOMBING IS NOT HEALTHY FOR CHILDREN OR OTHER LIVING THINGS spray-painted on the side of it ...

30 bunuel  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 8:03:09am

JG #25

Inshaallah, longer and shorter term.

31 Lively  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 8:06:20am

#27 bunuel: link doesn't work

#25 JG: don't limit AIPAC members to Jews. I'm a member.

32 Glen Wishard  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 8:08:19am

On the other hand, I can't wait to organize "burkha-burnings".

Republicans will be in charge of the feminist movement at last, and damn it, this time the job will get done right.

33 Teal Marie  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 8:11:04am

My current strategy is to vote Leiberman in the primary, Bush in 04. I was born a Democrat, I started growing up 9/11/01. Ignorance used to be bliss, now its just ignorant. We are all registered voters here, right? Anybody got a better strategy?

34 Tim K  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 8:12:54am

This is wonderful news! A complete list of local Islamic Terrorists gathered by our local Islamic Terrorist Association.
It will make it that much easier to gather them up or to supervise them after the next 9-11 event.

35 Renna  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 8:33:53am

BH #18

Gotta love the paradox, though. Their main allies are for less law and order and wary of anyone holding firm religious beliefs.

Perhaps you are forgetting they are only wary of Jewish and Christian religious beliefs. All the others are just fine.

36 Yehudit  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 8:36:12am

Christopher Hitchens tries to smear Daniel Pipes, blatantly misquoting him. A good fisking of Hitchens.

37 J.D.  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 8:42:44am

Speaking of Daniel Pipes, his latest in the NYPost today.

THE TERRORIST NEXT DOOR

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

38 William  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 8:46:08am

My current strategy is to vote Leiberman in the primary, Bush in 04. I was born a Democrat, I started growing up 9/11/01. Ignorance used to be bliss, now its just ignorant. We are all registered voters here, right? Anybody got a better strategy?

How about this: Al Sharpton in the primary, GWB in 2004.
 

39 teal marie  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 8:52:56am

to #38 William
I wouldnt vote for Sharpton, ever. Not even to spoil the vote, Nader style. Not even if he ran for president of Liberia.

40 William  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 8:55:34am

Christopher Hitchens tries to smear Daniel Pipes, blatantly misquoting him. A good fisking of Hitchens.

Thanks for that link.  I knew the honeymoon with Hitchens wouldn't last long...

He left the sea of idiocy at The Nation magazine on September 26, 2002: [Link: www.thenation.com...]

And has reverted back to his old ways less than a year later (a week ago with smearing Bob Hope upon his death, and now denouncing Pipes as a "propagandist").

Apparently, being a 'Useful Idiot' is a hard habit to kick.
 

41 James  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 8:57:42am

#38

How about this: Al Sharpton in the primary, GWB in 2004.


That's my plan.

42 Dr. Don  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 8:57:53am

#20

I wish I could agree. However the ACLU has suffered no cognitive disorders from its programs to ban Judaeo-Christian thought from the public sphere, while simultaneously promotic the Islamic agenda:

special prayer rooms in the NYC schools,

Support for veiled ID pictures of Muslim women

Support for Islamic summer camp on federal lands

BTW, are those geographic references at the bottom of your posts?

43 Bert  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 8:59:49am

While evil would prefer the light of day it tends to slink into the shadows. Our job is to shine a light on it and never, never stop. Whenever it appears it must be confronted with a seething passion.

44 Glen Wishard  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 9:05:54am

#36 - Yehudit

Well, Hitch coughed up some major fur-balls that time.

He accuses Pipes of using "crude tricks of language" for referring to some Palestinian refugees as so-called refugees. But then Hitchens calls a Pipes article about Salman Rushdie "sophomoric", just because Hitchens doesn't agree with it.

45 BIG  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 9:08:10am

Ya know something guys, this voter registration is not as bad as you think. Now I'd rather put a bullet in their heads than negotiate another meaningless treaty, but the major obstacle to making peace with the miscreants IS their lack of democracy.

Every group that has come to America has faced discrimination. The melting pot brought in people with a wide range of ideas, cultures, and religions to help make America the greatest country ever. By helping the Islamics learn of the advantages of Democracy, maybe they can then help spread democracy in their backwater nations, bringing about a much more peaceful world.

WTH did I just write??? Just nuke Mecca and get it over with!

46 Dr. Don  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 9:17:42am

in # 42

promotic => promoting

Preview is my friend

47 Mary in LA  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 10:29:26am

#29 Glen Wishard wrote:

I just pictured myself driving a banana-yellow microbus with SUICIDE BOMBING IS NOT HEALTHY FOR CHILDREN OR OTHER LIVING THINGS spray-painted on the side of it ...


I'll be right there with ya... Make sure that's a USA-made minivan, though. :-)
Let's see, GOP hippies... we could call ourselves "Gippies", with a tip o' the hat to the Gipper, of course!

48 Glen Wishard  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 10:40:57am

Mary in LA:

... we could call ourselves "Gippies", with a tip o' the hat to the Gipper, of course!

Gippies - I like that. I can't wait to freak out the establishment ... I have to be home in time for Wall Street Week, though.

49 Gordon  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 10:47:38am

I think these knuckleheads are providing plenty of voters - for the Republican Party.

As a matter of fact, there has never been a cohesive Arab-American voting bloc in the U.S. In contrast, Jewish-Americans, who tend to vote more than other ethnic/racial/religious groups, have swung many an election throughout this nation, from dogcatcher to President, by voting for candidates who effectively support their viewpoints (not those of all Jews, but certainly a majority), whether it be support for the State of Israel, distance from fundamentalist Christian zealots, all the way down to using affirmative action to replace predominantly Jewish public school teachers in New York City (a big issue in the 1960's).

Why have Arab-Americans not formed a cohesive voting bloc? The reason should reassure the chicken littles spouting doom and disaster from within on LGF: they don't have cohesive or strong views on anything except perhaps antipathy toward the State of Israel. There is certainly no voting bloc for Arab-Americans in support of Sharia law or any other such nonsense.

The moral of the story? Arab-Americans are about as much of a fifth column in the U.S. as are Italian-Americans, Irish-Americans, Mexican-Americans and, yes, Jewish-Americans.

50 Mary in LA, looking for Peter and Paul  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 10:49:17am

Actually, I seem to be channeling Bob Dylan at the moment:

How many roadmaps must a man walk down
Before you quit callin' him a man?
Yes, and how much C-4 must a goon strap on
Before he explodes in the sand?
Yes, and how many times do we have to hear
"The Religion of Peace" is Islam?

The answer, I say, is blowin' Fedayeen away,
The answer is blowin' them away.

51 Mordred  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 10:51:54am

#49, Umm Gordon,

The article is about organizing a Muslim-American voting bloc, NOT an Arab-American voting bloc.

Most Arab-Americans are of Christian ancestry, so I don't think they'd be especially enticed by appeals to join a MUSLIM-American voting bloc.

Do try to keep up.

52 SoCalJustice  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 10:55:10am

49 Gordon writes

Arab-Americans are about as much of a fifth column in the U.S. as are Italian-Americans, Irish-Americans, Mexican-Americans and, yes, Jewish-Americans.

Don't you think it seems like a lot of Muslims in America are getting arrested lately though?

Mike Hawash

Virginia Jihadis

Lackawanna 6

Sami al-Arian

Uzair Paracha

This guy

These guys

53 P. Ingemi  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 11:01:50am

As long as American Citizens vote legally they have the right to follow any idiot that can convice them to vote that way.

That bing said, If we as the American public in general fall for the honeyed words of these guys and vote with them then we will have earned the government and the positions that we end up with and the problems that come from them.


One of truths of our republic is we usually get the government we deserve. We can't and should not repress their vote but we MUST make it plain what going along with their ideas will result in.

The American people are a lot brighter than people think, given the info they will make the right choice.

54 Mordred  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 11:04:59am

#52, So-Cal Justice,

You are responding to Gordon's blurring the line (perhaps deliberately so) between "Muslim-Americans' and "Arab-Americans."

Most Arab-Americans are of Christian ancestry. And while it's true that there are some Christian Arabs like Edward Said and Diamond Jim Zogby who play the dhimmi role to appease Muslims, there's plenty of Christian Arabs who loathe Islam, for example a great many of Lebanese ancestry, including Professor Walid Phares, and the people who run this site: Islamreview.com.

55 SoCalJustice  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 11:08:48am

54 Mordred:

You are responding to Gordon's blurring the line (perhaps deliberately so) between "Muslim-Americans' and "Arab-Americans."

I know, but he brought up the lack of 5th column-ness and I just thought I'd respond with the observation that a lot of Muslim (not necessarily Arab, btw) arrests are in the news lately.

56 Brenda  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 11:15:56am

Here's columnist Stanley Crouch on the subject of Muslim immigration... he's against it.

Since then [911 terrorist attacks], we have been trying to make it harder - if not impossible - for such actions to take place again. I, for one, have advocated a 10-year moratorium on immigration from Islamic countries, primarily because, being a black American, I have no sentimental attachment to the idea of America being an immigrant nation. Tell that one to the birds.
Immigration is not a right. It is a decision on the part of the country in which the foreigner wants to live.

[Link: www.tallahassee.com...]

57 scott in east bay  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 11:20:23am

I agree with SoCalJustice. But, I have no real fear of Arabs being a problem, esp here, since so many of them of Christian Palestinians. They are abused badly in the Territories and they know Islamicists are not their friends. I AM, however, much more worried about non-Arab Muslims. As I have written before, here in the East Bay (for non Californians, this means the area around UC Berkeley) where I have been living since 1998 there has been a very noticeable increase in Muslim headscarves, young men in long robe garments and skullcaps (non yarmulkes!) and the general glares and stares. I especially like the Anglo-looking females with headscarves now (some kind of "solidarity"?). These people can look like the people next door but who knows? Mike Hawash was the American success story. We gave him everything, he became successful and rich, and then he went off to kill us.

58 Nekama  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 11:21:34am

49 Gordon

In contrast, Jewish-Americans, who tend to vote more than other ethnic/racial/religious groups, have swung many an election throughout this nation, from dogcatcher to President, by voting for candidates who effectively support their viewpoints

With 2% or so of the US's population, Jews are incapable of swinging many elections through their votes.

What makes Jews a politically potent force is their relative wealth, ability to use it to support issues and candidates, and high proportion of their numbers who are politically active and/or vote.

In other words, Jews work within the system. Islamists, through their stated desire to replace the constitution with the koran and willingness to use violence, work outside of it.

Even you, Gordon, should be able to discern the greater threat.

59 Gordon  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 11:23:15am

Everything I've said about Arab-Americans not forming a voting bloc applies to Muslim-Americans too. For all their fiery words, Louis Farrakhan and Black Muslims haven't thrown many elections one way or another.

Yes there are fifth-column terrorist scum among American Arabs/Muslims. Thats about 100 people out of 3 million or 7 million or whatever number is true.

So I believe these numbnuts will not succeed in forming their voting bloc, because most of their reputed followers will refuse to follow, either out of contrary beliefs or out of apathy. They will succeed only in solidifying other voting blocs and throwing more elections to the Republican party of Darrell Issa.

60 Brenda  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 11:24:36am

#52 SoCal

In January, Daniel Pipes compiled a little list of terrorist arrests and trials. Well, it's actually not little.

[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

61 Gordon  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 11:27:43am

#58: Nekama; you mistakenly believe that I think Jews voting as a bloc are a threat. On the contrary, I agree with most everything Jews tend to vote for; solidarity with the state of Israel, generous social welfare programs, a mistrust of Christian as well as Islamic fundamentalism, a dislike of "affirmative action"/quotas, and a tolerance for the social lifestyles of others.

Jews are an example of a voting bloc which has swung elections, in my opinion, the right way. These Islamic jokers are an example of a voting bloc which, if successful, would have the opposite effect. But, as I said, I don't think they will be successful, both because they don't represent the viewpoint of a vast majority of Muslim-Americans, but also because they will swing antipathetic voters away from their chosen candidates.

62 SoCalJusice  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 11:41:09am

60 Brenda:

That list is why, in a nutshell, CAIR hates Pipes.

They've done an excellent job in convincing many in (mostly in the media and the Dems in the Senate) that Pipes is an Islamophobe. [BTW, there are a small number of people who post here that make Pipes look like Gordon].

Anyway, I'm glad to see Bush didn't buy into the CAIR smear campaign. I would have liked to see Pipes make it onto the USIP board through traditional means, but the recess appointment is better than nothing.

63 Tasty Manatees  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 11:41:53am

Also, in 1998, this same Mahdi Bray got out his trusty tambourine and led 2000 people in a rousing chorus of, "[L]et's all go into jihad, and throw stones at the face of the Jews," according to this request for injunctive relief against him. Also according to the same sworn court filing, Bray led an October 28, 2000, march in Washington, DC, that had the pleasant and rousing chant of, "Victory comes from Allah, and Hezbollah is our model." [Emphasis added.] Perhaps you remember Hezbollah as the Syrian-supported terrorist organization that killed 241 American Marines in Lebanon that, up until September 11, held the record as the most Americans killed in a terrorist act.

What I don't understand is why Mr. Bray would feel as if he was being treated as "not part and parcel of society, incompatible with American life, or suspicious"?

Tasty Manatees

64 J.D.  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 12:07:59pm

According to James Zogby's Arab American Institute:

Arab American Poll Results, July 2003*
Kerry, Dean lead

“If the Democratic presidential primary were held today, for whom would you vote?” (July 2003)

Kerry: 14.5%
Dean: 14.2%
Gephardt: 10.5%
Lieberman: 5.3%
Kucinich: 4.1%
Edwards 2.5 %
Graham: 1.2%
Sharpton: 1.1%
Moseley-Braun: .4%
Other: 10.7%
No Opinion: 35.3%


[Link: www.arabamericaninstitute.com...]

65 Paul  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 12:09:26pm

Who will American Muslim support? Well last October a number of Muslim organizations in California threw their support behind Peter Camejo, the Green Party gubernatorial candidate. He didn't win.

The Muslims gave their support to the Greens because of that party's opposition to the war on terror. This is interesting because the Greens also (allegedly) support secularism, individualism, women's rights, abortion rights and gay rights---items not high on the Muslim wish list.

66 Doctor Bean  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 12:13:21pm

My first hat tip! Yiiipppeee!!!

[enthusiastic lizard tail wagging]

I'm sorry... What were we talking about?

67 Harry Gross  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 12:34:58pm

Renna, #35. The radicals also hate the Hindus as well, mabe even more.

As for the subject of the item, Mahdi Bray, the name seems too perfect for this jackass. Are you sure this wasn't all made up?

68 Glen Wishard  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 12:45:04pm

Gordon:

Yes there are fifth-column terrorist scum among American Arabs/Muslims.

You are still confounding things with "Arab/Muslim". This is about a Muslim voting bloc, not an Arab voting bloc.

You have been listening to the idle chatter of the idiotarians who continually want to equate Arabs with Muslims. Why do they want to do that, you ask?

Because they're ignorant-ass racists, of course!

69 Richard the lionheart  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 1:25:28pm

Three Strangers
At a small terminal in the Texas Panhandle sit three strangers awaiting their shuttle flight.
One is a Native American passing through from Oklahoma Another, a local ranch hand on his
way to Ft. Worth for a stock show. The third passenger is an Arab student, newly arrived at
the Texas oil patch from the Middle East. To pass the time, as they await the arrival of their
aircraft, they strike up a conversation on recent events, and the discussion drifts to their
diverse cultures. Soon the Westerners learn that the Arab is a devout Muslim. The conversation
falls into an uneasy lull. The cowpoke leans back in his chair, crosses his boots on a magazine
table, tips his big sweat-stained hat forward over his face. The wind outside blows
tumbleweeds across the tarmac, and the old windsock flaps, but no plane comes.
Finally, the Native American clears his throat and softly says: "Once my people were many, Now,
we are few..." The Muslim raises an eyebrow and leans forward and says with a sneer... "Once my
people were few, and now we are many. Why do you suppose that is?"
The Texan shifts the toothpick to one side of his mouth and from the darkness beneath his Stetson, he drawls...
"That's 'cause we ain't played Cowboys and Muslims yet."

70 deja vu  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 1:44:12pm

This just in:

Three people, including a British man, were arrested in the New York City area Tuesday in an alleged plot to smuggle a surface-to-air missile (search) into the United States, the FBI (search) confirmed to Fox News.

Read more here

71 someone  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 1:48:33pm

Charles: even your number is inflated; best guesses put the number of Muslims in America at under two million.

72 Tatterdemalian  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 2:26:29pm

I'm voting for Lieberman in the primary, mostly because I would sincerely like him to win. He is the one potential candidate that could both fight the war on terror AND revive the economy, which Bush seems to be making a complete mess of.

The only way I would vote for anyone other than Bush is if Lieberman won the primary.

73 Laura  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 2:55:19pm

Question:

Why do we sit on our asses and let assclowns like this immigrate here? I'm generally all for immigration, actually, and I view the recent influx of Mexicans and Chinese to be a more-or-less positive thing, but what the hell? We wouldn't let a Nazi or a Communist become a citizen here, after all, why do we let immigrant Muslims (falsely) take the oath? It's time to take our collective head the hell out of our collective ass and stop making the problem worse. Muslim power will result in a return to the dark ages, and no sane person should want that.

74 Laura  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 2:59:15pm

#18,

No, actually. The lefties are squeamish about anyone holding strong Christian or Jewish beliefs. Islamofascism is fine by them, and becoming more so. Look for the GOP to be the more gay-friendly party within 10 years, even if they don't move an inch on the issue.

75 Steve Hall  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 3:09:05pm

Mahdi Bray runs the National Islamic Prison Foundation - maybe that's where the seven million number comes from?

76 del  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 4:32:30pm

little quibble...its ghazi khankan, not "khaksan".

and don't forget the "al-hajj"! /s

77 brownfinger  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 4:36:19pm

You need to divide your numbers in half, since muslim women are not allowed to vote. There are ~ 280 million Americans, so I wouldn't worry about the votes of this 1%. Money has more influence than votes anyway once the parties are in power. (Enter the Saudi's) I would worry much more about the other things these uncivilized 'tards are up to. Don't expect terrorism to be completely erradicated as long as there is a buck to be made fighting it (or talking about fighting it, or campaigning about fighting it, etc.). If it weren't about money and influence, we would have flushed the impotent Saudi's down the toilet years ago. (They are useful as an excuse to manipulate oil prices) That would pretty much cork the terrorist hole instead of just bailing the boat as we are now. Iran and Syria would fall as fast as Afghanistan and Iraq did and we would be done with this mess. We could then treat the numbskulls like we did Japan and Germany after WWII. We could easily ignore the tree hugging pacifists just as we did then as well. They are fewer than they seem. The money is in playing the game, not winning it. Sorry for the cynicism, but that's how it looks to me right now. Especially after what we've seen from Enron and friends. (Has anyone really been punished for that?)

78 brownfinger  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 4:51:28pm

On the plus side, they took two of our buildings, we took two of their countries! Another attack, another country falls... GW doesn't totally suck.

79 Brenda  Tue, Aug 12, 2003 8:34:40pm

#77

Actually there are well over 291 million Americans. Another reason to end Muslim immigration entirely, and cut back severely on the rest of it.

80 John Palubiski  Wed, Aug 13, 2003 4:05:21am

Don't panic! Don't panic!! I HAVE a solution to this...an easy one. Congress shall simply pass a law stipulating that a minimal IQ of 50 is required in order to have the right to vote! Voter drive... shmoter drive.

81 BIG  Wed, Aug 13, 2003 4:43:45am

#80 John Palubiski

That would mean there will only be eight ballots cast in Arkansas.

82 amadeus9  Wed, Aug 13, 2003 8:35:01pm

Now where can these Islamic organizations find 2.5 million Muslim citizens to add to voter rolls? The majority of Muslim immigrants are not citizens (yet). And at least 10% (more likely in excess of 20%) are here illegally.

To add 2.5 million new Muslim voters within a year, they have to register non-citizens and illegal aliens.

Of course, at least 5000 illegal aliens from Haiti voted in Dade County in 2000 (note the Dems did not protest a single illegal alien who illegally voted in Florida). Hermandad in Orange County, CA, has had a very active voter registration drive among Hispanic illegal aliens for many years, and was instrumental in replacing Rep. Robert Dornan with Linda Sanchez. CAIR, et alia, must be just jumping on that bandwagon to abrogate rights of citizens.

83 Gordon  Thu, Aug 14, 2003 7:57:31am

#82: Amadeus9: Well now we've gotten the Republican conspiracy theory of Democrat shenanigans thrown into the mix. Sanchez beat Dornan because she got enough long-time Mexican-American citizens in that Orange County district to actually register to vote, and when they registered they realized that their Congressman Dornan was a loony-bin raving nut.

I find accusations of conspiracy to get 5000 Haitians to vote about equal to claims that Republicans intimidated minority voters in Duval County to scare them away from the polls. Any comment on that, Mr. Amadeus9?


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