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Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 3:30:40 pm PDT

The 40th anniversary of Martin Luther King’s March on Washington is taking place today at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC; watch live on C-SPAN.

This year it has been hijacked by the Nation of Islam and other radical Muslim and pro-Palestinian groups. I just watched James Zogby tell one outrageous lie after another, followed by Muslim American Society head Mahdi Bray, who called President Bush “the little Pharaoh.”

Martin Luther King was very pro-Israel, and in my opinion his memory is being dishonored by this display of pro-terrorist groups and terror apologists. He wouldn’t have wanted to be associated with this. It’s sad.

One bright note, however: as they panned across the crowd, it was obvious that very few people have turned out for the event. At least half of the seats set up in front of the Lincoln Memorial were empty.

UPDATE: Unsurprisingly, the Associated Press report on today’s event contains not one word about the many radical Islamic and pro-Palestinian groups that were present: King's 'I Have a Dream' Speech Celebrated.

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1 Skirmish  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 1:33:45pm
it was obvious that very few people have turned out for the event

Sounds like the 326,000, sorry Million man march, eh?

2 Colt  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 1:36:43pm

". . . You declare, my friend, that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist.' And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of God's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews--this is God's own truth.
"Antisemitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agreement. So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently antisemitic, and ever will be so.

"Why is this? You know that Zionism is nothing less than the dream and ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land. The Jewish people, the Scriptures tell us, once enjoyed a flourishing Commonwealth in the Holy Land. From this they were expelled by the Roman tyrant, the same Romans who cruelly murdered Our Lord. Driven from their homeland, their nation in ashes, forced to wander the globe, the Jewish people time and again suffered the lash of whichever tyrant happened to rule over them.

"The Negro people, my friend, know what it is to suffer the torment of tyranny under rulers not of our choosing. Our brothers in Africa have begged, pleaded, requested--DEMANDED the recognition and realization of our inborn right to live in peace under our own sovereignty in our own country.

"How easy it should be, for anyone who holds dear this inalienable right of all mankind, to understand and support the right of the Jewish People to live in their ancient Land of Israel. All men of good will exult in the fulfilment of God's promise, that his People should return in joy to rebuild their plundered land.

This is Zionism, nothing more, nothing less.

"And what is anti-Zionist? It is the denial to the Jewish people of a fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa and freely accord all other nations of the Globe. It is discrimination against Jews, my friend, because they are Jews. In short, it is antisemitism.

"The antisemite rejoices at any opportunity to vent his malice. The times have made it unpopular, in the West, to proclaim openly a hatred of the Jews. This being the case, the antisemite must constantly seek new forms and forums for his poison. How he must revel in the new masquerade! He does not hate the Jews, he is just 'anti-Zionist'!

"My friend, I do not accuse you of deliberate antisemitism. I know you feel, as I do, a deep love of truth and justice and a revulsion for racism, prejudice, and discrimination. But I know you have been misled--as others have been--into thinking you can be 'anti-Zionist' and yet remain true to these heartfelt principles that you and I share.

Let my words echo in the depths of your soul: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews--make no mistake about it."

3 Yair  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 1:37:59pm

At the Israel Solidarity Rally in Washington a year or so ago, black families were waving the Israeli flag as we were walking to the Hill.

I thought this was interesting and somewhat surprising, because the media always portrays Blacks and Jews as in conflict. Guys like Farrakhan get lots of coverage.

4 Alex  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 1:39:14pm
One bright note, however: as they panned across the crowd, it was obvious that very few people have turned out for the event. At least half of the seats set up in front of the Lincoln Memorial were empty.

I'd have to say the low turnout doesn't seem such a bright note at all. Maybe if more sane, rational people who owe a debt of gratitude to the sacrifices of the civil rights movement sowed up, they could have drowned out the voices of the Islamazoids.

5 Drunk Russian  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 1:43:25pm

Get a load of Rabbi Arthur Waskow in his rainbow hat.

It's sad that there never seems to be a shortage of turncoat Jews to support these despicable pro-Islamozoid causes.

6 Alex  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 1:43:44pm

#3 Yair

Its unfortunate you found it shocking. Farrakhan in no way represents the sentiment of the majority of black Americans.

We all must remain vigilant in protecting our subconcious from the intoxication of narrow media influence.

7 Yair  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 1:52:04pm
Its unfortunate you found it shocking. Farrakhan in no way represents the sentiment of the majority of black Americans.

I have no idea what Blacks and most other groups think. Period. Nor did I say that Farrakhan is mainstream.

I do know that Cynthia McKinney, Farrakhan, Sharpton get a good deal of media attention, nor, I must confess, have I seen very many Black pro-Israel statements in the media.

BTW Alex, "somewhat surprising" doesn't equal "shocking". Don't mangle my words.

8 John O'Brien  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 1:55:04pm

I just turned it on. It looks like the same professional protesters who did the hands-off Saddam rallies they showed before the war. This is really pathetic.

9 Bob G.  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 1:55:06pm

I have a nightmare... in which the sons of former slaves and the sons of present mullahs will sit down together at the table of hatred... I have a nightmare in which my little children will one day live in a Nation of Islam where they will not be judged by the content of their character, but by their obedience to the scrawled rantings of a monomaniacal, psychotic, bloodthirsty pedophile...

But then, I was created by a big-headed scientist named Yacub, so what do I know...

10 John O'Brien  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 1:58:36pm

You know what this is really ironic and weird, they're screaming about upholding Affirmative Action which is nothing more than legalized racism and everything Dr. King was against. Didn't he say people should be judged not by the color of their skin??? Man, the left is weird.

11 zulubaby  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:01:18pm

Charles:

This year it has been hijacked by the Nation of Islam and other radical Muslim and pro-Palestinian groups.

It started at the conference in Durban and it hasn't stopped since. Let's go with the short list: What hasn't been hijacked by the radical Muslims? They are so obnoxious, nothing can go on without them being there to disrupt and get their agenda front and center. What will be?

I read those words and I just had a moment of "universe shifting gears". It's happened to me only once before in my life and the consequences were life-altering. I know this sounds crazy, it may make sense to me only, but something has just changed direction and it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. This is very, very dangerous.

I just watched James Zogby tell one outrageous lie after another, followed by Muslim American Society head Mahdi Bray, who called President Bush “the little Pharaoh.”

And then did President Bush come out and insist that Islam is a Religion of Peace?

One bright note, however: as they panned across the crowd, it was obvious that very few people have turned out for the event. At least half of the seats set up in front of the Lincoln Memorial were empty.

Sad, really. I understand your point, but people are staying away from an event that they ordinarily wouldn't have. It's passive and it's going to be the death of us.

12 zulubaby  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:04:03pm

John O'Brien (#10)

I'd say the Left is more than just weird, I'd say the Left has become dangerous.

13 Colt  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:05:35pm
I know this sounds crazy, it may make sense to me only, but something has just changed direction and it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

And imagine the carnage once America shakes the Islamists off...

14 zulubaby  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:06:39pm

John O'Brien (#8)

"Professional protesters".

Exactly! They should think about getting jobs and out of everyone's face. Filth.

15 Alex  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:07:23pm

#7 Yair

That wasn't meant as a personal attack on you. The point I was trying to make was in agreement with yours -- i.e. its a shame that the media tends to highlite those "leaders" which have such strong anti-Israel sentiment.

IMO, the curent generation of African Americans (for lack of a better non-color based epithet) doesn't have a single defacto leader -- and that's a good thing. Name _the_ leader of the American Jewish community? How about the Spanish, Italian or Irish?

When a group no longer needs such a single voice it frees us to more readily judge individuals "by the content of their character," to steal a bit from Dr. King.

ps: I didn't mean to mangle your words. It was a simple typo that I didn't directly quote you; I used the wrong "s" participle. Regardless, I think the meanings are so similar we're fretting over semantics and irrelevant nuances between "surprising" and "shocking".

Its just too bad this is the image the media promotes.

16 Texas  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:14:47pm

You know what this is really ironic and weird, they're screaming about upholding Affirmative Action which is nothing more than legalized racism and everything Dr. King was against. Didn't he say people should be judged not by the color of their skin??? Man, the left is weird.

The Left is so sloppy in their ideology. it's rife with inconsistencies and contradictions.

17 Euro Trash  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:15:12pm

I was wondering why you call your web log "little green footballs"? That is a rugby ball!

I am curious, why do you call real football "soccer"? In real football it is not allowed to touch the ball with your hands, but in American "football" the players are running around with the ball in their hands, like a lady's handbag. American "football" is like a pussy version of Australian rugby!

18 Lion o'judah  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:18:49pm

American "football" is like a pussy version of Australian rugby!

I've played both, and even with the pads, American footbal is no pussy version of anything. In fact, the pads give you a false sense of security so you hit twice as hard and twice as fast.

19 d  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:18:52pm

#2:

Although King did say "“When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You're talking anti-Semitism.” the letter to an anti-Zionist friend is a hoax.

anti-Zionists love to dismiss the King quote based on this faked letter, but he did indeed make the relevant comment, which has been verified by any number of witnesses and sources.

20 Yair  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:26:49pm

15 Alex

No problemo ;) We agree completely. I don't trust the media about anything anymore. The internet is handy in this regard, because people can read many different sources easily and at no cost, but still, syndicated news is all-pervasive. Biased morons at AP get published in hundreds of papers.

21 John O'Brien  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:27:06pm

Are there a lot of 300+ pound guys smashing people around in Rugby? If so then yeah I'd have to agree our version is definitely the pussy version.

22 EU Master  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:30:51pm

Lion o' Judah,

Well, here, on the other side of the pond, where we have played real football for a hundred years before your country was even discovered (by us), we actually try to play fair. We don't need pads. Our footballs are actually round and circular, and we actually play football with our feet.

BTW, do you interrupt for commercial breaks as well?

Viva Roberto Carlos!

23 Colt  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:34:12pm
Well, here, on the other side of the pond, where we have played real football for a hundred years before your country was even discovered (by us),

Are you a Viking?

24 TS  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:37:30pm

Absolutely King would have been against this, he was for freedom and equality not submission and dhimmitude!

25 Carrie  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:39:14pm

It's odd that the Black and Islamic groups would get together on anything. Obviously, they don't know about Sudan:

A question: What do liberal civil rights leaders Reverend Jesse Jackson, Reverend Al Sharpton, Imam Louis Farrakhan, Secretary General of the United Nations Kofi Annan, Archbishop Desmund Tutu, and anti-Apartheid champion Nelson Mandela have in common, besides their political bent? Answer: They have all kept mum, saying nary a word, as 2 million black Christians, many among them Roman Catholics, have been systematically slaughtered during the last 10-20 years by Arab Muslims in the Sudan. Rather, Reverends Jesse and Al have actually protested against any action being taken toward the Sudan; they praise it as a model of equality and harmony1. While recently visiting the Sudan, Reverend Jackson and also Imam Farrakhan, champions of human rights and social justice, have actually been honored guests on the plantations of modern-day black slave traders1. Any thoughtful persons are compelled to ask, how can this be, and what are the implications for Christians around the world? First, a little background. But a warning - this letter is not for the faint of heart, since descriptions of barbarity can be, after all, more than a little disconcerting.

From here--it gets worse.

In April 1996, UN Special Representative for the Sudan, Gaspar Biro, reported "an alarming increase...in cases of slavery, servitude, slave trade, and forced labor." In June 1996, two reporters from the Baltimore Sun illegally visited the Sudan. They produced a series of articles in the Sun called "Witness to Slavery," in which they documented slavery in the Sudan. In fact, they bought two young slaves and set them free.

A different source.
I do believe that the Quran allows for kaffir to be enslaved.

26 d  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:39:44pm

Who gives a shit why Europeans call soccer "football"? A lot of things are called by wrong name in various parts of Europe: for example, in England private schools are called public schools, and in much of Europe Hizb'allah is called a charitable organization.

This was supposed to be about the MLK memorial, not Euro-whining.

27 Euro Trash  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:40:31pm

#21

Dear John,
That's exactly the point! Who wants to see a bunch of fat people stumble around trying to catch the purse… uh, the ball?

28 TS  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:42:54pm

Not to mention Martin Luther King Jr. may have had a small problem with africans being enslaved TODAY by people who think its their god give right to do so!

Too bad the black community in the west doesnt speak out against this but I guess it doesnt fit their political agenda!

29 EU Master  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:46:00pm

#21

Are there a lot of 300+ pound guys smashing people around in Rugby?

This only strengthens my point. Not only do you play with non-circular "balls", and use your hands in football; on top of that, you employ a non-scientific way of measuring weight: pounds(?)

30 dan  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:47:25pm

King's speech is "racist" by today's standards.

I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

Today's PC standard is the exact opposite. Today's leftists believe character is inherent in race, that culture is determined by race, that there is white content of character, and black content of character, and to mix is to be a "race traitor." To think that there is a universal "content of character" between races is "racist".

Hear Sharpton say that he does not want "black faces in high places" refering to blacks winning positions in government "white man's government."

Arabs are not prone to be emotional, unrational, suicide bombing misanthropes, but the culture of islam, which has nothing to do with race, is.

I implore white hippies or hippies of all races to fight with the muslim mujahideen, see our "restraint" when we see you shouting "death to america" in our crosshairs.

King's dream is yet to be realized and probably never will be.

31 Chana  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:50:42pm

Too bad the photographers have not learned a trick from the Israeli media; when filming a protest rally - if only a few people show up - they pan the camera and stop just in time. That makes it look like there are more people than are actually at the rally.

Unless you are really paying attention and happen to know the location, it is effective.

32 Surfsup  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:52:00pm

Here in California, people can play or watch any sport they like. Soccer is the game of choice of junior high schools and illegal aliens.

33 Euro Trash  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 2:57:52pm

Here in California, people can play or watch any sport they like. Soccer is the game of choice of junior high schools and illegal aliens.

Illegal aliens, you mean like Arnold Schwarzenegger or the people that came with the Mayflower?

34 mommydoc  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 3:00:20pm

Folks, why are we even paying any attention to the EUnuch troll? It's not like it has anything of interest, on or off the topic, to contribute?

GAZE

35 EU Master  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 3:03:22pm

No, Arnold Schwarzenegger is a traitor to the European cause. Nut who cares? let them 'mericans have him. He fits their gray materia.

36 Model4  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 3:07:33pm

The "civil rights" movement is deader than Julius Caesar. Good riddance, and that's a good thing for everyone! If you doubt it, please state which "civil right" we need that we don't have, as it would appear in a Constitutional ammendment. What we have left are racists that have hijacked a movement that achieved its goals, and cannibalized the corpse of a fabulous man and a wonderful legacy.

Where once "The Dream-TM" was for everyone to be treated equally under the law, it's now for special treatment, hostility, mistrust and balkanization based on skin color. The white folk who marched in the 60s for the fair treatment of all would now be spat upon by the Sharptons, Jacksons and Mfume of today. Scholarly Asians and Arabs are kicked out of colleges so that their slots can be given to applicants who perform on a 9th grade level. And the J-E-W-S, well, with their massive wealth and long history of persecuting everyone, the hymies surely will understand when a firebomb or two hits their businesses.

All the while blacks are being crippled by their sworn loyalty to the Left. Their churches are being gutted, their families shattered, their communities besieged, and their children robbed of quality education by the very leeches and politicians who condescendingly claim to have their best interests at heart (and make a pretty penny along the way). I'll listen to those who make the case though that Dr. King would want law enforcement chased out of areas plagued with drugs and violence, strong Christian values watered down, teacher and student testing standards rejected and school choice denied. Looks like when Bull Connor, the dogs, the fire hoses and the Klan went away, there were some who had a vested interest in making sure that problems, not prosperity, were the black man's lot in life.

Now we have the rejectionist movements toward "black Islam," ignorance, crime, resentment and hard drugs. Never thought I'd see so many people choose slavery.
/rant rant rant

37 Euro Trash  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 3:09:28pm

Folks, why are we even paying any attention to the EUnuch troll? It's not like it has anything of interest, on or off the topic, to contribute?

GAZE

Why do you pay attention to us then? You bothered to send this post. Maybe you are a little bit intrigued and fascinated by our astounding intelligence, love?

38 anne  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 3:12:43pm

I think it is really sad and downright disgusting that not even a week after Jewish babies and children are massacred.That Israel is still being portrayed as the villian in this conflict.If that isn't proof these people are using antizionism as a smokescreen for antisemetism I don't know what is. Martin Luther King was very pro Israel and I think he would be horrifed and repulsed by some of the outrageous antisemetic rhetoric voiced by the Islamic people in this country and also black people like Louis Farakan,Al Sharpton,Nelson Mandella and Desmond TuTu.

39 Fay  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 3:16:06pm
No, Arnold Schwarzenegger is a traitor to the European cause.

Why, because he doesn't hate Jews?

40 Euro Trash  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 3:22:33pm

I would like to say that it is a tragedy that Palestinians are killing the Israelis and the Israelis kill the Palestinians and the Americans are killing both of them.

Let the Iraqi people keep their oil and their dignity. Saddam is gone, thank you for that, but let them take care of their own country now! Put the UN back in charge.

Is it true that you could hear the coyotes howl if you get real close to George Bush's head?

41 Paladin  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 3:27:47pm

At least half of the seats set up in from of the Lincoln Memorial were empty

As were the minds of the people who attended.

42 Charles  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 3:31:08pm

Euro Trash is now outta here. Good lord, what a moron.

43 [deleted]  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 3:32:42pm
44 the humiliator  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 3:36:34pm

Note to Charles: I think a great way to deal with trolls like Euro Trash is to change their text color to a gray color or darken the background color. It doesn't censor them but it does make it easier to ID them and to scroll past them. The worse the troll, the closer the color to the background. And of course there is still the option to censor the really bad ones. Anything so that I can ignore them easier. At least Euro Trash recognizes his status in the world.

45 Leah  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 4:46:14pm

I'm listening to C Span right now. That is IF I can stand it.

Born and brought up in DC. As Part of the Public Service my Father worked the original March On Washington..He volunteered for it. Despite the heat, despite HIS Dr's objection (Dad had a bad heart..heat very dangerous for him-Heat DID kill him in the end) my Dad manned one of the Medical Tents all day as part of the PHS. My two uncles volunteered as well. I want you to know my Rabbi, Rabbi Gerstenfeld was marched in one of the front Rows..I believe several other local Rabbis (from Adas Israel, From Bnai Israel-others I'm sure) were there as well. Rank and file Jews flocked from everywhere in the Nation to support this original Civil Rights March. They put themselves on the line for others. Even then it wasn't very popular. We did it ANYWAY.

You should know..very very few Arab Americans had ANYTHING to do with the first marches. Their own issues weren't at any risk...so they didn't show up..not at this march, not at the next march, not at any of the early marches..Arab Americans didn't show up to support their African brothers till maybe the mid 80's. They weren't interested. Definitely didn't put themselves on the line, like we did. They weren't to be found in great numbers on the Busses to the South for Voter Registration..and Certainly THEIR child wasn't murdered in the South for Civil Rights.

NOW they show up? for these marches?...Incidently older African Americans know the score.

John Lewis KNOWS who did and didn't support the Civil Rights cause.

I could say alot more about who WAS and wasnt there in the March for Israel in the 80's and the most recent march. Ill leave it for now.

46 SandraArkoff  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 4:52:51pm

Dr. King was one of my Heroes growing up. If I can remember correctly even from the beginning he had to fight to keep his organization and vision from being co-opted from within by The poverty pimps, and black moslems who had their own agenda. I don't think this would be anything new to him but I don't think he would have stood for it anymore now than he did then

47 Leah  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 5:00:11pm

The reason the March today is sooo small..(there is going to be a little game tomorrow with the Wash Post and how many people they DARE to say turned up) is that the origional friends of the Civil Rights Movement were REMOVED from the Movement.

Joseph Raugh, Attorney..fighting for Civil Rights for all his life..got told he must WAIT IN THE HALL...when the Civil Rights Assoc. he belonged to had a meeting. This darling guy..went and stood in the hall..or wherever he went..but never stopped working for Civil Rights. It was the same for many others that got thrown out of the Movement AFTER the Civil Rights Bill was passed. I knew many of them.

No this isnt your Daddys Civil Rights Movement now. MLK must be twirling in his grave. NO it isnt a diverse movement cause they threw all but their OWN in the trash..that is until they felt they might USE others again. Thats the truth of the matter. What a shame. Didnt have to be that way.

48 Leah  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 5:04:22pm

Sandra..You speak the truth. Thats absolutely what happened...It was a fight THEN. MLK would NOT let them get into his Coalition. He didn't agree with them no matter how history is being reconstructed to pretend he did.

49 fred from AL  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 5:07:07pm

Not completely OT, but to the side.

The Black Church is in revival. The revival is slow and not politically allied with all that "conservatives" would want, but incredibly important and VERY real. This is not the Church of Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, although they cannot oppose these men. They are preaching hope and personal responsibility. All Christians and Jews should support them.

They are at the front line against Islam.

JMHO

50 Dr. Antonio Sousa  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 5:43:17pm

Rats, got here too late for the troll bashing.
A few observations about American football:

I got a crash course in this when I came to the United States to attend college in Texas.
Like all Brazilian youngsters, I was fairly proficient in our version of the game.
At the time (1972), "soccer-style" kickers were all the rage in the American game and a friend suggested that I try out during spring training.
I watched a practice session. I found it hard to believe that nobody had been killed or even seriously injured. I had seen train wrecks that were less violent.
Nevertheless, national honor was at stake (in my adolescent perception) and I went through with the try-out.
With the help of some friends, I practiced kicking the so-called ball for a couple of weeks and eventually managed to understand its diabolical ballistic qualities.
I also learned to throw and catch it, no easy feat in itself given the thing's lethal shape and substantial mass.
Then, on the day of the try-out, a couple of trainers helped me into the armored uniform (the smallest one they had) and I went onto the field to demonstrate my ability. I did get the ball through the goal-posts but I could not kick it far enough to be any use. I was profoundly relieved.
The last word on this football vs. "soccer" business belonged to an American friend of mine: "If a couple of guys are talking about football, and they are on the MOON, which version are they talking about?"

51 Dr. Antonio Sousa  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 5:52:43pm

In case you didn't know:
Saudi Arabia, friend of backer of many of the participants in today's march, legally abolished slavery in 1962, just one year before Martin Luther King's original march on Washington.

52 Leah  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 6:05:08pm

Did the Saudis do that little thing, Dr. Sousa? Did they in fact abolish Slavery? Wonder why you have maids , and other employees, ESCAPING from Islamic Embassies and Saudi households in DC? These people dont quit..they ESCAPE. Must happen every three years or so in the DC area. THEN you hear what it is like to be FREE? in that climate. THEN you hear the REALITY of the situation. Give us a break.

53 Jim Sagle  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 6:18:17pm

One good sign was the marked lack of reaction at the many denunciations of Israel. A distinct "Zzzz..." attitude was clearly heard.

54 Dr. Antonio Sousa  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 6:22:12pm

Leah, you have misunderstood my post and you are putting words in my mouth. The qualifier "legally" has meaning and, yes, they did issue such a decree. I am not defending the Saudis at all, and I resent being attacked as though I have.
It is well-known that de facto slavery still exists in Saudi Arabia. This is the official US State Department summary on the subject: . Since DoS is unlikely to have an anti-Saudi bias, the situation is probably much worse than this report indicates.

55 jc  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 6:22:30pm

Euro trash head. What color is the sky in your world?

56 Leah  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 6:27:27pm

Excuse me Dr. Sousa. What do you actually mean to say beyond the fact that there was this Legal Decree Abolishing Slavery in SA? Then we agree it was just a bunch of meanless words? Do we agree on that?

57 Tasty Beverage  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 6:50:02pm

#50 Dr. Antonio Sousa

Did you kick the ball bare-foot?

---

The people who have hijacked MLK are only doing themselves harm. A lot of regular folk who might be interested in attending an MLK celebration are going to stay away when they see who they'll have to stand around with and listen to.

58 Dr. Antonio Sousa  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 6:59:51pm

Leah, yes.
My intent was to show that even this legal technicality did not exist in SA until very recent times; and to juxtapose this with the original March, as an ironic comment on the prominence of Saudi-backed Islamic speakers in today's event.
The Trafficking in Persons summary is quite illuminating in other respects as well.
The countries are grouped into 3 tiers, with Tier 1 being the best, and Tier 3 the worst.
There are 18 countries in Tier 1, none predominantly Islamic.
Of 53 countries in Tier 2, at least 6 are predominantly Islamic (not sure about all of them).
Of the 19 countries in tier 3, 13 are predominantly Islamic.

59 Leah  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 7:23:56pm

Dr. Sousa: Im so sorry. I misunderstood. We are on the same page then.

I read a Novel few years ago, as usual forgot the name(if I remember the title Ill put it up somewhere)..but heres the thing. IF life in Saudi Arabia is anywhere near what was described in the Novel..(background to these Novels are researched--the fiction is set onto the reality of the background) living in Saudi Arabia today is like living in constant HELL. I never thought Id say this..but life in Saudi Arabia when you are not at the tippy top is WORSE than living in Nazi Germany..And that is a big deal for me to say.

60 Dr. Antonio Sousa  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 7:27:21pm

#57
No. I could have, but I could also picture some 300 pound defensive end coming down on my foot with his cleats and that discouraged any thought of trying it.

Besides, unlike a lot of Brazilian kids from poor families, I was lucky enough to have shoes when I was little and I got used to them. I mentioned the source of those shoes in my very first post here at LGF, and the important part this has in my current attitudes and beliefs.

61 Tasty Beverage  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 7:54:42pm

#60 Dr. Antonio Sousa

LOL Sir, I hope you don't think I was implying you must have grown up poor, and was mocking you for it!

Actually, I thought the whole "kicking the ball bare-foot" was some Euro thing (to be mocked). When I was in highschool it was a sort of "phenomenon" with some of the public schools getting their foreign exchange students to be place-kickers, and some of them would kick barefoot. The oh-so-macho American boys found it amusing.

I actually read your first post back in early July, but I only remembered the Latuff references. Now there's a jerkoff.

#59 Leah

I'm reading a book right now called "The Beheading" by Bob Crew. It's about all the horrifying things--beheadings, stonings, amputations, flogging etc.--that he witnessed during his time based in Saudi Arabia as a foreign correspondent for The Times. Your sentiment---

living in Saudi Arabia today is like living in constant HELL

is dead on. This is a book I look forward to discussing when I'm finished.

62 Dr. Antonio Sousa  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 8:02:09pm

Leah, thank you, you are very gracious.

The ability of the Saudi hierarchy to hoodwink the US government and the western media, especially after 9-11, is almost enough to make me start believing in conspiracy theories. We see their influence growing all over the world.
This is true even in staunchly Christian Brazil, where Saudi-financed mosques and madrassahs seem to spring from the ground like poisonous mushrooms.
We have people like Charles Johnson, though, to make sure they don't get away with it entirely.
The Saudi plutocrats are sitting on a time-bomb that could go off at any time. There is no telling what may come to light if they are overthrown and their records fall into the hands of the world media.
If a foreigner (though a permanent resident) may express an opinion, President Bush's coziness with the Saudis is a critical weakness in his policy, one which is not likely to escape further attention from the Democrats.

63 Talcott  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 8:07:02pm

Sorry to be off topic, but...

Does anyone have a link regarding any of the car makers, European or Asian, that adhere to the Arab boycott and refuse to sell their products to Israel?

64 Dr. Antonio Sousa  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 8:31:29pm

Tasty,
"LOL Sir, I hope you don't think I was implying you must have grown up poor, and was mocking you for it!"

Not at all, sorry if I gave that impression (and I think I might have, re-reading it).
I remember the craze for barefoot place-kickers and never really did understand it.
I think you are right, that it is some kind of Euro thing. Given the chilly climate and the high cost of home-heating in that part of the world, maybe their feet were toughened by frostbite or something.
Latuff truly is a depraved individual. It is no surprise that he has fallen in with the Indymedia mob and other fifth columnists. The best thing I can say for him is that I would not want the notorious death squads to catch up with him if he returned to Brazil, since this would be a national embarrassment and another martyr for the far left (though no great loss otherwise).

65 Perica  Sat, Aug 23, 2003 8:47:29pm

Oh, well. Since trash can't stand on it's own, it has to stand on the shoulders of a Colosus to give itself any worth. That and a complicit press gives their stink all the exposure they need. Sadly, the odor wafts its way to too many willing loosers. You know the type. . . "it's not my fault I'm a failure, it's the___'s (fill in the blank) fault. They're the ones keeping me down. Get rid of them and I'll rise up." Hey, Looser, your life is the culmination of choices you've made. . . both good AND bad.WAKE UP!!! moron, and grow up!!!

66 Leah  Sun, Aug 24, 2003 6:53:19am

Dr. Sousa: I read too fast sometimes..Im at my wits end after watching this situation develop for about 30 years and watching what is SAID be one thing and what is being DONE quite the other...Once in a while I might misunderstand. Other times tho..I understand --- but GOOD because I seen it and heard it ALL before. If Im wrong I say sorry..BUT if Im right..No way...LOLOL

As to the Mosques built in Brazil..Im very interested in this subject. I read an article about a year or so ago in which the phrase"marking the or their territory" was included. It might have been the Title of the Article. What it said in a nutshell is that the Saudis have funded these Mosques all over the world to "mark their territory"...You know what that means. It means WE, Islam are coming. WE will finally be Supreme and YOU will submit. PLUS...the Mosques and Schools are just dandy places to Organize and Recruit for the Struggle. For the Article: If anyone wants to. search for this article...be my guest. THOUGHT it was by Naomi Regan but I'm not sure on that either. I cannot find it sadly.

How the USA refused to recognize what was going on in their Mosques and allied Schools is amazing. Jews all over the world active in ME Politics...have been warning America for maybe 15 years now about what was going on in these places. Their warnings were discounted just because what they had to say came out of a Jewish mouth. Incidentally this too happened during the Run Up to WW2. I wonder if our Govnt..is finally taking Israeli and Jewish information seriously and NOT discounting it.

When I say "The More Things Change..The More They Stay The Same"...Im even surprised sometimes how many times this is true.

Little PS here. I heard from a poster in Australia. Same thing as in Brazil..ie the building of Mosques and Schools planned for there as well. We already know about France and GB. Am surprised it is happening in a Catholic Country like Brazil. At SOME POINT there is going to be a backlash..dont you think? I imagine the Church isnt going to let this go on and on and on. unchecked...I dont blame em.

67 Dr. Antonio Sousa  Sun, Aug 24, 2003 11:22:37am

Leah,
There have been many reports of Hizbollah sleeper cells in the tri-border region of Argentina, Paraguay, and Brazil, especially in the Brazilian city of Foz do Iguacu. World War 3:South American front
Israeli and Argentine investigators have directly accused Hizbollah and its Iranian masters in several terrorist attacks in Argentina, including the 1992 bombing of the Israeli embassy and the 1994 attack on the Jewish community center in Buenos Aires that killed 85 people.
Just what attracted the Islamo-fascists to that isolated region in the first place is open to speculation, but the tri-border region was a most notorious refuge for fugitive nazi war criminals for several decades. The nazis are mostly dead now, but it is possible that Hizbollah moved in and took over their networks in the area before these faded completely.
Certainly, there were documented contacts between Hizbollah and Argentine neo-nazis during the 1990s. This provides a direct link between the current Islamo-fascists and the Third Reich.
The tri-border region is also the primary conduit for narcotics smuggling from the Andean coca-producing regions to the urban centers on the Atlantic coast, and a center for smuggling and organized crime of all kinds.
Argentine authorities assert that the Hizbollah elements have dispersed into the rain forest east of the tri-border region. I am not sure how they would fare in the selva, but it is possible. It seems more likely that they have submerged themselves among the large communities of middle-class Muslim immigrants in the coastal cities.
There is no doubt at all of support for Hizbollah among local Muslims in the tri-border area.

"Hezbollah is a legitimate resistance group struggling against invaders into historically Arab lands," Sheik Mounir Fadel, the Islamic cleric at Ciudad del Este´s Prophet Mohammad Mosque and Towers, said through an Arabic interpreter. "You can´t go around calling people terrorist sympathizers if they support organizations such as Hezbollah.


Fortunately, the Sheik does not yet have the power to enforce his pronouncements about what can or can't be said.

68 Leah  Sun, Aug 24, 2003 2:19:31pm

Dr Sousa: What you just wrote is SO important to know and learn. I'm going to copy it and keep it--send the information around. I have to read it SLOWER (lolol) and take all of it in. One thing stood out ...course Nazi stood out..but another ..SMUGGLING. I bet if we look in all the areas of the world to the known smuggling routes..ah ha...there you will find just the Terrorists and their HELPERS (they dont have to even believe in the cause) you are looking for. Smugglers deal in EVERYTHING..whatever brings them money..Information...Illegal action..ANYTHING... Oh my goodness...I knew it but you just brought it forward in my mind. Thank you...And if YOU know about this..you can bet your bottom dollar all the Govnts know about this.

Anyone else from another part of the world want to report on what THEY know is happening concerning Islam. I think personal stories can be very instructive to all of us. IE..How goes it in YOUR country with this situation? I think this it is mandatory for us to get the BIGGER PICTURE and these reports help with getting the information out and comparing notes...Dont you think that would be helpful?

I have more to ask about the sit. in Argentina etc. I had been wanting to find out..which country or countries would be the Argentina. of this Conflict...comparing it to what happened in WW2.

69 ben  Tue, Aug 26, 2003 2:27:53am

someone wrote that the letter to an anti-zionist friend was fake. does anyone know if that's true?

70 Tasty Beverage  Tue, Aug 26, 2003 7:10:26pm

#69 ben

It's true. See here.

71 Dacotti  Mon, Sep 1, 2003 7:50:37am

#67 Dr. Sousa

Sir, Your association between the Islamo-Facists and Nazi's goes back a couple more generations. Sadam Hussein's uncle and mentor, Khayralla Tulfa, was part of a failed Pro-Nazi uprising uprising in 1941 Iraq that was vigorously supported by the fledgling "Baath Arab Socialist Party". Yassir Arafat changed his name to avoid association with his close relative Haj Al Husseini, the British appointed Mufti of Jerusalem who openly collaborated with the Nazi's in WW2. The Baath party, which governed Iraq until recently still governs in Syria and is a major influence in the Palistinian government, was founded by Pro-Nazi facist Arab ex-patriots living in Paris in the 1930's. Their platform was strong racial unity and National Socialism (Nazi'ism) in the "scientific sense". The scarry part is that the Baathists are the secular and seemingly most sane (to Westerners) of middle-Eastern governments. The alternatives are Mulla-led Theocracies or the Tribal Monarchies that give birth to them.

The whole Islamo-Facist mythology about Israel being an imperialistic inccursion into Arab/Muslim lands is such a huge lie I don't even know where to begin. Prior to the 7th century AD, the middle-East was largely a Jewish kingdom that more or less tollerated the spread of Christianity. After failing as a convert to both Christianity and Judaism, Muhamed created his own religion borrowing what he liked from both but setting himself up as the military leader/messiah that he thought Jesus should have been. He was a very gifted military leader, and his movement succeeded in creating a non-Jewish uprising and taking over the entire region.

The Christian Crusades have gotten such a bad rap in the popular press and culture today as an Imperialistic invasion of Islamic lands, but the reverse is really true. The Islamic movement was an imperialistic and racist invasion of Jewish and Christian lands that the Crusades attempted to rescue before the indigenous Jewish and Christian cultures were obliterated.

The real victims of all of this lying though are not Israel and the US. The real victims are the poor, ignorant, Arab people who are being used by their facist leadership in the same way that poor blacks in America are used by the leftist politicians and so-called "Black Leaders" who benefit from their suffering. They are fed lies by their leaders, supported by a media that is even more slanted than our own (if that's possible) in order to fire their anger at Israel and the West, and to enlist their participation in voluntary martrydom for the cause of "Arab independance" (read "the Obliteration of all Jews").

Yassir Arafat doesn't want to improve the lot of street Arabs in the West Bank any more than Jessie Jackson wants to improve the opportunities of Black Americans; either of those scenarios would decimate their support base because they need the anger of the misled masses to maintain their authority. This is in direct contrast to the true movement begun by Dr. King, which fizzled out precisely becuse they achieved their objectives for the most part. Unfortunately, the forces of Anti-Zionist, Leftist, IslamoFacism have co-opted Dr. Kings legacy in order to oppress his people for their own continued benefit.


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