Those who forget history...

are condemned to repeat it.

Whew! Can you imagine if they ran that footage again? It might really upset people!

the terrorists have won.

People might actually remember and demand that there be a serious war on terror or something...b b b but but that would upset so many cultures and foriegn bussinessmen. /rolls eyes

Let it be a day to turn off the TV and deprive them of advertising revenues.

JG

The implication is that the networks are afraid people will more likely switch the channel than be interested in watching a tribute.

La la la la la no danger to me la la la la la everybody loves raymond la la la la who's getting voted off la la la la la Shania special!!!

I videotaped CBS' 9-11 documentary by the French brothers at the fire station following the probationary firefighter around.

I'll watch that again.

I remember seeing an interview with the widow of a Muslim Indian immigrant who was working at Windows on the World on 9-11 while looking for a better job. Does al-Maroons celebrations include the Muslims that died, too?

America's greatest strength and one of its greatest weaknesses is its ability to put the past behind. Maybe I'm a fool, but it seems to me that other societies hold grudges longer.

We are resilient. We bounced back from the Civil War, WWII, Viet Nam, the Great Depression. We move forward and rebuild.

At the same time, many forget the events that need to forge our thinking about security and freedom.

I'd like to see some sort of balance between the two. 9/11 affected me deeply. I became much more conservative. It pains me that many people care more about Kobe Bryant than the fundamental issues that influence our society.

The Onion said it best.

You mean to tell me that the WTC doesn't exist? It was destroyed by Islamic terrorists?

Say it isn't so.

[/sarcasm]

Seems to me that the media should be running this footage all the time - what better way to remember "Why We Fight" than to see those two towers falling in quick succession, snuffing out thousands in the process.

So much for the US being on a war footing. We cannot even get the propaganda side of things right.

And next year, for the third anniversary, lectures about islam and the value of cultural diversity.
Shame on them.

lil' Kim and crew have announced intentions to test nukes.

drudgereport.

My Office Depot calendar lists December 7th as Pearl Harbor Rememberance Day. September 11th? Blank. Just another day, apparently. However, the first day of Ramadan and Eid al Fitr are listed.

What I'd like for them to do is to show us progress in the war on terror. Girls going to school in Afghanistan, etc. I'd like to see interviews with American soldiers in Iraq and elsewhere. I'd like to see where we've come since 9/11 and talk about where other dangers might lie -- and what we're doing about them.

I don't need to see the burning buildings anymore. I can play that movie in my head anytime. I don't need to revisit the horror; that's when the terrorists win over and over and over again.

What I need is to do is remember the victims, then make sure there aren't anymore.

C'mon people, seriously, what is wrong with this? Are we supposed to replay the footage endlessly on the anniversary just in case anybody forgets that we had 3000 killed by horrible terrorist attacks? I doubt that anybody says "What?" when you mention 9/11. It isn't as though we need to keep people permanently angry about it. The people that don't want to remember it and don't want to learn anything from it haven't, and they won't no matter how many times they see a tower falling on their TV. The fundamental disconnect is that they are ignorant of the Middle-Easterners, the Arab Muslims in particular. They don't know just how nihilistic and crazy and ignorant and savage the terrorists and their backers are. If they read our website regularly without dismissing it as a Zionist conspiracy then they would have a better grasp on these things.

Another symptom of their slow fade into irrelevance. At least I won't have to spend the day beating an improvised effigy of Peter Jennings with an axe handle, screaming "Shut up, shut up, you ignorant droning son of a bitch ..."

Everyone should also remember that if not for the bravery of NYC Police and Firefighters, thousands more would have perished. The death toll could have been in the tens of thousands which is what the enemy wanted. Think about it.

Rachel is going to make sure she doesn't forget. She's going to be making DVD copies of the tapes she recorded from 9/11 through 9/13. She's going to be giving copies away...if anyone wants to help her out...give her a shout [email].
I'm sending her some blank DVDs she can use, as I want a copy for myself.
I will either have my tv off or playing one fo my movies before I give the broadcast companies any ratings.

C'mon, if any of us had faith in mainstream news media anymore we wouldn't be reading blogs. Big media have rendered themselves obsolete, the blogosphere is rapidly replacing them. Eventually big media will learn their lesson and try to become relevant again, but for now we've got LGF, Instapundit, and the rest to make sure we remember.

15 Glen Wishard:

Needn't you worry, I'm sure he'll say something that day which will compel a similar response on your part. It just won't be all day long.

OT:

I just read this on Fox's site:

Militant groups formally abandoned a unilateral truce last week after Israeli killed a Hamas leader in response to a deadly Hamas bus bombing.

Help me out here since I haven't followed this as closely as I probably should have. The attack by Israel followed the bus bombing right? So didn't the "groups" abandon the truce when they blew up the bus? I even heard this on NPR yesterday where they didn't mention the bus. They only said something like the truce was abandoned after Israel killed a top Hamas leader. What is the correct order of events?

WTC was too sudden, and didn't affect enough people across the nation. Pearl Harbor had immediate and long term effects, such as getting the US embroiled in the largest war in history. WTC didn't really involve West Coast people or Middle America, there was no draft, no rationing, no long term commitment of the populace at large. Until we get involved like that again, don't expect the same kind of reaction as Pearl Harbor(longterm reaction, that is).

The vast majority of the American people are happy, dumb and unconcerned what happens in the next county, much less across the world. It takes a strong personal connection to get Americans riled up.

BTW, I doubt anyone in New York is goig to have that easy of a time forgetting.

The leftist mainstream media wants us supine, sleepy and vulnerable to the next attack. That's why you won't see anything on TV about 9/11. That's also why they don't report the daily calls from mosque's around the world for our deaths.

I like Darryl Worley's song: Have You Forgotten?

"They took all the footage off my TV
Said it was to disturbin' for you and me.
It'll just breed anger, so the experts say
If it was up to me I'd show it everyday."

Count, however, on the media to show the 9/11 parties and protests of USA defense against terrorism since September 11. The mainstream media is complicit idealogically, if not practically in some cases, with the forces seeking our destruction.

Of course, those of us in NYC and other similar places will at some level have to remain alert to the possibility that the Islamists will use that date to strike again.

I guess I don't need to see replays of our burning buildings. What I'd love to see is current footage of burned out holes, buildings and caves where terrorists plan and stage their operations. A massive assault on terrorism on 9/11/03 would be the best possible way to celebrate that date. Instead of us wondering what the terrorists might be planning on doing to us on September 11, we should have them in mortal fear of what we will be doing to them on that day.

A follow-up to quark2's post:

Guys, definitely check out Rachel Lucas's site for her views on this disgrace.

rachellucas.com

My family and I will be paying tributes to the people that died that fateful day. G-d bless them and may they rest in peace.

[Link: hereisnewyork.org...]

they want us to forget the pain and the justified anger because they can not get away with their nonsense as long as people remember. also has anyone noticed how the number of people who died on 9/11 seems to get less and less with every report about it and the number of people killed in situations in iraq and on the west bank and gaza increases everytime a report is done on them ?

9/11 is old news and there's no need to disturb people with pictures of people leaping to their deaths and collapsing towers. No need to remind people what started this war or why we have to win it. Besides how can Hollywood, Academia and the Left portray America as the villain when such pictures are shown?

#14 Allah-Puncher

It isn't as though we need to keep people permanently angry about it.

Why not? I realize you're not implying that there should be a point when we're happy about it, but why should we ever stop being angry about this?

In my opinion, the media won't show it because they don't trust the American people. They think everybody's a bunch of yahoos who will go on a rampage of Mosque- burning and Sikh-beating if they see those images again. That, and most of them are pathologically anti-Bush, and it's easier to waste the day dwelling on LLL topics like "Why haven't we found Osama?", "Is the cost of the Iraq war worth it?", and "Have we really made a dent in al-Qaeda's operational capacity?" Well, I think the footage of 9/11 should be shown. Those who don't want to watch it don't have to watch it. Those like me who want mainstream network broadcast can get it so we are reminded of the true meaning and intent of our enemy's faith.

#21 nalenb

Yes. The bus bombing came first.

Actually that story is not so bad as at least it mentions the bus bombing. Other stories I've seen don't mention the bus bombing when talking about the Israeli strike or bury it at the bottom of the article.

Also they use the word "formally" which technically is true. Everyone with a brain knows the truce was abandoned for all intents once they bombed the bus, but it wasn't formally abandoned until they officially said it was over.

It's kind of like punching out your boss, and then handing him a resingation letter.

It's time again for the Voices project, in memory of 9/11, at Michelle's A Small Victory.

Gee, thanks, networks. Thanks a lot.

Thanks for spitting on the sacrifice of courageous Americans who are making sure that you don't have another disaster like 9/11 to report. (Unless of course that's the real reason why you're angry.)

Thanks for turning your backs on the people who jumped to their doom from the WTC. Your "sensitive, thoughtful" broadcasters weren't among them, so what do you care?

They weren't among the people I have served with who lost their lives in the Pentagon, were they? Since you didn't have anyone on assignment there, why should it matter to you?

They were too busy talking to cameras while my fellow Chiefs were pulling people out of the wreckage. What troopers!

#22 FH

WTC didn't really involve West Coast people or Middle America, there was no draft, no rationing, no long term commitment of the populace at large.

You're right. I live here in San Francisco, and since it wasn't the TransAmerica pyramid that got destroyed, 9/11 didn't really phase me. Just another day on the calendar.

/sarcasm off

WTC was too sudden, and didn't affect enough people across the nation. Pearl Harbor had immediate and long term effects, such as getting the US embroiled in the largest war in history.

I could go on for a while about why this statement makes no sense. WTC effected everybody. It had both immediate effects, and will have longterm effects. If your statement is not sarcastic, there is not enough room to argue about why you are so wrong. As far as the comparison with WWII, this war is only getting started. I wouldn't be so blase about how big it's going to get. Trust me. This will get bigger than WWII.

The vast majority of the American people are happy, dumb and unconcerned what happens in the next county, much less across the world. It takes a strong personal connection to get Americans riled up.

Again, I can't speak for you. But if you read LGF alone you can find people who are angry, smart, and concerned about what's going on in the world.

BTW, I doubt anyone in New York is goig to have that easy of a time forgetting.

That's the only true thing in your post.

For an idea of what Hollywood, liberal media, think of the american public, watch that movie with Bruce Willis and Denzel Washington in it. The military is portrayed as cold blooded murders in the name of national defense. It shows the Govt. rounding up all the arab males and locking them up in outdoor prisons or something. The movie was made prior to 9/11 so I bet those fkwads were so upset when it did not happen in real life.

The Face of Satan

The Face of Satan/ Allah

Sorry you have to scroll down on the link above

Like the majority of posters here, I don't want 9/11 to slip into the status of Arbor Day. I don't need the networks to replay the WTC footage, I have the DVD that was make by the two French filmmakers (one of the best things to come out of the French in a long time). But at the same time, we Americans do tend to get caught up in our lives. I LIKE the idea of an overview of what we've accomplised in the War against Terror but I suspect that the major networks would use it as an excuse to down play the good and emphasize that Bin Laden, Omar, Hussain & co haven't been caught yet. The bottom line is that we'll individually do what we feel should be done to oberve this day and we don't really need the networks or the Government telling us what is appropriate.

As I am wont to do, I'll refer to the inimitable James Lileks on this subject. His "Bleat" from last year around this time was one of the most powerful examples I've seen of his writing. Go to:

[Link: www.lileks.com...]

... and scroll down to 09.05.02.

"I feel the same anger I did on 9/11; I feel the same overwhelming grief. Nothing in my heart has changed, and God forbid it ever does. "

Re#38, you can get there without the scrolling via:

[Link: www.lileks.com...]

#37 rabidfox; what is the name of that DVD? How did you get it?

At least there's this:

Sept. 11 Transcripts Recall Horror of the Attack

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Pleas of "mayday" made by officers just moments before their deaths in the World Trade Center appear on heart-wrenching transcripts to be released on Thursday of calls made on Sept. 11 to emergency services before the twin towers collapsed in roars of rubble and flame.

A judge ordered the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the trade center site, to release the nearly 2,000 pages of transcripts after a lawsuit was filed successfully by The New York Times.

The transcripts record radio dispatches made by Port Authority officers and employees at the scene and telephone calls made to Port Authority police stations.

More.

I have to agree with Yair (#8): Americans have a great capacity to forgive and forget, to let the past go and look toward the future. Others bear and nurse their grudges for almost forever, passing them from generation to generation. I'm hearing you, Yair.

HOWEVER, we did so AFTER taking care of business. THIS business is not finished yet, Yair.

mickthemick said: most of them are pathologically anti-Bush, and it's easier to waste the day dwelling on LLL topics like "Why haven't we found Osama?", "Is the cost of the Iraq war worth it?", and "Have we really made a dent in al-Qaeda's operational capacity?"

Right. Kinda hard to do that following a video of the falling towers. Crimps their style, I'd expect. Thus, I don't expect them to even mention the Arab celebrations taking place: Bubba would probably say, "F*ck them! Nuke Mecca!"

Hopefully, Charles will re-create his last 9/11 tribute, or give us pointers back to the original topics.

Let those who lost loved ones mourn.

Let us, their fellow Americans, remember, reflect, resolve, and respond.

I will never, ever forget that day, TV specials or not.

OT, here's another thing that should not be forgotten. FoxNews has a great article about building a memorial similar to the Holocaust museum detailing the horrors of Communism. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95872,00.html

Normally I don't like to dwell on sadness, but 9/11 should be noted every year on its anniversary. Let's not let the Islamofascists and their apologists start rewriting history for us. On 9/11/01 at 8:45 am I was walking down Bleecker Street in New York City when I saw the first plane fly overhead and strike the WTC. I will never forget that for as long as I live.

Way OT, but I feel the need to inject some humor (pun intended)

ISRAELI TEAM HELPS DEVELOP 'SPERM-WASHING' TREATMENT ENABLING HIV CARRIERS TO
SAFELY FATHER CHILDREN

Israeli medical staff, in conjunction with medical centers across Europe, has
successfully developed a 'sperm-washing' treatment, which enables HIV carriers
to father children safely, ISRAEL21C reported. Dr. Margalit Lorver, deputy
director of the Haifa's Rambam Hospital's Immunology, Allergy and AIDS
Institute, who headed the project in Israel, explained that the new technology
used centrifugal force to separate healthy sperm cells from non-sperm cells and
from seminal fluids, which can carry the virus. The process allows the infected
semen to be "washed clean," leaving behind only HIV-free semen. The final sample
of sperm is tested for HIV and then inseminated into the female partner. Lorver
said that successful application of the new treatment would keep couples, in
which the male partner is an HIV carrier, from having to rely on anonymous sperm
donors as they did in the past.
Medical experts call the 'sperm-washing' treatment a life-transforming
breakthrough for men with the virus. One woman who has recently managed to have
a healthy baby with her HIV-positive partner publicly described how the new
treatment transformed her life. She said: "I had expected to be a widow in my
late 20s. Now I have a happy, long-lasting marriage, and the extra joy of a
child. It helps my husband fight to live longer and stay healthier as well." The
new treatment is already receiving attention worldwide and in the United States,
where doctors are currently attempting to attain FDA approval.

The only thing I can't figure out is why the Israelis would do such a thing - afterall, the Pal's have said time and again that HIV was a Jooish conspiracy and that Jooish doctors were injecting Pal babies with it.

Go figure. What good thing has a Pal come up with today? A more lethal suicide belt perhaps?

OR (#40)--That DVD has been on the market for awhile now. Here you go.

I've said it here before and I'll say it again. I will watch the network that puts in their tape of 9-11 and lets it play continuously with no interruptions, exactly as it happened.

Knowing that's not going to happen, how about something more pro-active (I hate that word, isn't there something better?) Let's donate blood. Lets stop by our local firehouses and police stations and say thanks. Let's go to the schools and make the age-appropriate presentations to the kids that otherwise may only hear the blame-America-first version of events. In other words, let's roll. Any other ideas?

Here in NYC I haven't heard mention from the media about any 9/11 commemorations, but I can tell you all about the MTV music awards that are on tonight. Johnny Cash might show up.

Obviously no one has forgotten 9/11, but from talking to friends and coworkers, people are falling into complacency since there hasn't been any further terrorist attacks, and they just want everything to go back to "normal". People are buying the "Islam is a religion of peace and the hijackers were just an abberation of these peace-loving tolerant people" line. CAIR and company are getting the job done.

When I tell people about various issues raised at this blog and others, they have no idea that this stuff is going on, since major media is very quiet on these subjects.

#14

It isn't as though we need to keep people permanently angry about it.

Yeah, great idea. Let's just suck it up. After all, it's been a WHOLE two years since thousands of people died, many thousands more family members were deeply affected, and hundreds of thousands have had their lives changed forever. Let's just hold hands and forget.

Oh, speaking of hands, I know a guy who was caught in the damage of the collapsing WTC. Interestingly, a severed hand smacked him in the head as he was ran for his life. Funny story, huh? Not sure why he's still mad about that one.

I'll be mad at the murderers who caused this for the rest of my life, and you should be too.

I'm not sure of the name, I'm at work, but I got it at WalMart. There were three titles available and I got this one because I'd seen the parts that the networks saw fit to show. The uncensored version is even more powerful. The blurb on the back indicates which DVD is from the two Frenchmen. I'll look up the title when I get home in 2-3 hours and post it under this thread, if you'd like.

I was gonna say a "Day of Sacrifice" commemorating the firemen, police officers and other persons that ran in as chaos was running out would be a good thing, but it would probably make the suicide bombers look good too.

As I advance in age, when little children ask me what it was like on 9/11 I'll say:

"The world was quiet on 9/10/01. Monica Lewinsky was fading from memory. It was toward the end of the Chandra Levy/Gary Condit scandal but before they found the body. Robert Blake's wife had been murdered but he hadn't been charged yet. It was a few months before Elizabeth Smart was abducted and whole year before Lacy Peterson diappeared and way before the Kobe Bryant case. But, the lousy thing of it was that on 9/11 all my favorite shows were pre-empted and stayed that way the whole week. Can you belive it?"

#47

Sue, I say in addition to your great ideas, we all boycott TV for one night. One night out of your lives that you turn off the tube.

If the networks don't respect the country enough to help us mourn, understand, and remember, well then I don't have enough interested in supporting you that one night.

REASON #501

Why I never watch any TV, anytime, anywhere

Put the bastards out of business

Hit 'em where it hurts

Kill Your Television

Sorry, I didn't realize that another poster had answered the question.

"Sue, I say in addition to your great ideas, we all boycott TV for one night. One night out of your lives that you turn off the tube."

1) Good idea, even better if we could let the networks know what we're doing. Does anyone know how to contact those yahoos?

2) Why hasn't there been a push at Congress to at least recognize 9/11 as a day of rememberance. 9/11 is just another day on my calender. What about a peition or a letter writing campaign?

They say they will be having the "tribute of lights" again this year...not sure if you all remember it from 2002, but it's where they had the blue lights shaped like the towers and they were on every night for about a week, not very long.
I actually went to NYC for the first time to see ground zero while they were having that tribute.
It left me speechless, seeing it all, it was the first time I felt real reverance.

They will at least be showing that tribute the night of 9/11, I would think.

I don't expect special 9-11 shows in 2009 or anything, but while American troops are still fighting and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan, it might make a little sense to remind John Q Public how we got here.

[Link: www.turnoffyourtv.com...]

"Imagine one day in which you notice that people are continuously staring in silence at glowing boxes in their homes.."

Go outside on 9.11 and everyday; don't let the billion dollar advertising TV industry enter your lives -- unless of course if you enjoy that kinda thing, then by all means feel free.

#33

You're right. I live here in San Francisco, and since it wasn't the TransAmerica pyramid that got destroyed, 9/11 didn't really phase me. Just another day on the calendar.

Mick, face it, you and I are not normal Americans. Instead of watching Friends, or WWW, or the latest music video on MTV, we are going online to find out what is really going on in the world. This makes us very different from the vast majority of our country. I stand by what I said, ordinary Americans who didn't lose families or friends in the WTC, Pentagon or Pennsylvannia simply weren't affected as much by 9/11 as Pearl Harbor affected the average American.

This war is largely a quiet war, with most of the battles largely invisible to most people.

BTW, I never said this was wasn't going to be huge, in fact I suspect it will encompass most the world, and possibly last decades, but that doesn't mean it will be as in your face as WW2.

"The vast majority of the American people are happy, dumb and unconcerned what happens in the next county, much less across the world. It takes a strong personal connection to get Americans riled up."

Again, I can't speak for you. But if you read LGF alone you can find people who are angry, smart, and concerned about what's going on in the world.

I would again like to point out that we are not normal, not average, not at all like the vast majority of our countrymen. I referred to Them, not us. We are exactly as you say we are: angry, smart and concerned. But They are not. It will take much more before they really realize what is going on, that we are in fact fighting WWIV right now.

I dare you to go around your town, and ask people if they think about 9/11 a lot of the time. I bet you they don't. Everyone should ask around to see how much attention John Q. Public pays to 9/11, and the War on Terrorism. I suspect it is very little attention at all.

#6 Solomon X -

La la la la la no danger to me la la la la la everybody loves raymond la la la la who's getting voted off la la la la la Shania special!!!

Don't you mean Sharia special?

Or is that one scheduled for next year, insh'Allah?

Maybe I'm a fool, but it seems to me that other societies hold grudges longer.

On September 11 Sixteen-Eighty-something, the Ottoman Turks were repulsed at Vienna.

Guess I'll just sit back and read a good book, Executive Orders with a real hero.

CNN is good for few reasons, but here is one:

September 11 Memorial

I've gotten lost at this site for hours looking at faces and reading bios.

Everything reminds me of 9/11. Even the weather.

The weather that morning was so exquisitely gorgeous, that as I came out of the subway on my way to work, you couldn't help but be in love with life.

And now whenever I step outside and it's about 75 degrees and sunny and there's not a smidgen of humidity in the air, and I'm about to sigh with the beauty of it all ...

... I think of the bastards that murdered our men and women.

Remembering 9/11 – HONORING the men and women and children that were murdered – should be THE LEAST any of us does.

Damn the networks. It's Bush-hatred, pure and simple.

I will not be watching TV for that day, if the networks don't show the unedited footage. I was home that week two years ago. I is burnt into my memory.

Oh how the d. rats and their ilk will have to answer for this, one day...on Judgement Day...no exceptions.

I shall also never forget the palis dancing in the street.

Then later claiming that was doctored footage of a prior event. And how the liberal media glossed over it.

Never forget.

Completely OT, but if you didn't know this already, LT SMASH is home. Go read his account of his homecoming--but grab a box of tissues before you do. LT SMASH

sorry ...that should have read It is burnt in my memory...

Need to proof read better.

OT -- but then, maybe not --

Fox News is reporting that a missle from a fighter jet just killed a Hamas leader "on a donkey cart"

Bet that cart had a laser beam on it!!

#60 FH

Firstly, thanks for your clarifications. I respectfully disagree that most Americans were not impacted by 9/11, although you're right-they were not as directly impacted as folks who live in NYC, D.C. area, or even in the area of Pennsylvania near that crash site. Forgive me if that's what you meant, and I misunderstood.

It will take much more before they really realize what is going on, that we are in fact fighting WWIV right now.

I would not argue with either point. I agree that too many people will not or cannot accept that what we're actually seeing are the opening salvos of WWIV (FYI to others-some consider the Cold War to be WWIII. Not my personal opinion, but not one I argue against real passionately). I still say this war will be huge, unfortunately. I hope I'm wrong.

I dare you to go around your town, and ask people if they think about 9/11 a lot of the time. I bet you they don't.

I would agree with this. But you're also probably in agreement that it would be unhealthy to dwell on it too much. 9/11 reminders are not something we need 365 days a year. But, I still think a good dose on the date itself (at least during this wartime) is necessary.

Incidentally, asking about 9/11 here in S.F. would elicit some real interesting responses, judging by the fact that some people I (regretfully) personally know are still blaming the CIA, or (worse yet) the Mossad/"those people". I don't like talking about 9/11 or even the war, as the opinions I'm likely to get will only make my blood boil. You fellow posters who live in the Bay Area will know what I'm talking about.

Thanks for your replys, FH! Where are you from?

OT

Hamas man killed in IAF missile strike in Gaza was behind Qassam rocket attacks on Israeli targets (Israel Radio)

An explosion in the Gaza Strip Thursday killed one
person and injured at least three others,
witnesses and medical sources said.

Witnesses said a Hamas militant
was killed in the missile
strike by Israeli warplanes on
a donkey cart.

BINGO !

Nice shooting IAF! You made my day.

I still get goosebumps when I see that footage. My throat gets all tight and my stomach wads up in a little ball...
Hell, I have tears in my eyes just thinking about what those poor souls on those planes must have been experiencing. The absolute terror that filled them when they saw exactly what would be happening as they headed toward their murder...

Goddamn those cowardly bastards.
I
WILL
NEVER
FORGET.

EVER.

Look at the face of little Christine Hanson, who was two-fucking-years-old, and explain again why I am supposed to approve of appeasing these sick, twisted, racist, Muslim supremacist, shit-eating fucks!
Come on, surely someone from CNN, or Fox, or MSNBC, can tell me why I should forget the genocidal jihad against my people that was pushed into high gear on 9/11.
Remind me why I'm supposed to ignore the video of the celebrating Jordyptians.
What was it that made them so happy?
Was it the children who burned to death?
Was it the old people who suffocated on fuel and smoke?
Was it the office workers who hit the sidewalk at 150 mph rather than burn to death?
How about the flight crews?
Was it the deaths of the flight crews, the stewardesses with their throats slit, that made them want to pass out candy?
I mean, we all know that the Jordyptians have a thing about airplanes and flight crews...

Help me out, cause right now, I'm so angry, so sad, and hurting that I can't stop crying.

OT but...

I hate Yahoo headlines!

U.S. recants, considers UN force in Iraq

definition of recant: 1 : to withdraw or repudiate (a statement or belief) formally and publicly : RENOUNCE
2 : REVOKE
intransitive senses : to make an open confession of error

The headlline is self-contradictory. All the article says is that the Bush administration is considering that as an option. Time to get rid of my yahoo mail account

dam the IDF/air forces has amazing AIMing skills

Way to go

You guys are the best

Papijoe,

It is not Yahoo or Foxnews

They all (read ALL news outlets) get their news posts from copying and pasting from royalty based AP/Reuters feeds

Yahoo, fox, abc, nbc, are not pure news gatherers they are more like news broadcaster

They all use AP that is why AP was created.

Your beef is with the AP editors and the AP localized 'journalists'

Debka:

Unconfirmed report of Israeli helicopters attack Thursday night targeting Hamas senior operative Hamdi Kadah in southern Gaza Strip town of Khan Younes. One Palestinian said killed, three wounded.

Celissa,

Just because others have (forgotten) does not mean you should (forget)

We all, individually, make our own free choices and decisions within our lives

They have made theirs

Now you can make yours

The lamestream media stopped showing the footage of the WTC attacks almost immediately. Within weeks it was gone. But how many times did you see the Rodney King beating?

Michael Glazer is right. I haven't watched broadcast T.V. in ten years, just movies on tape. The scary people are those you get their "news" from the likes of Peter Jennings and think, therefore, they have a clue.

... and the PA was just about to crack down on Hamas, too. But now "the street" won't let them.
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Celissa:

Wow. I, too, have a hard time holding back my emotions when I see pictures of those who died that horrible day.

76 Michael

I know, but the headline on the mainpage didn't even match the actual headline of the story. I don't know who makes those editorial decisions, but they are always intended to be sensational and are always anti-US, anti-Israel, etc. But you are absolutely right about the source and I do have a big beef with AP.

Papijoe,

You are right once they paste it onto yahoo or fox they can alter it as they wish.

I am guessing though most hardly do since they are lazy and most likely lack the manpower to do so regularly

Isn't one of the moonbat's rants (primarily non-Americans) that our government controls the media and manipulates everything to it's benefit? Or am I confusing the government with the Zionist shadow conspiracy again?

Whenever I read anyones personal account of that black day it makes me recall those exact emotions that flew out of me then.

I don't think we have to see or hear it everyday and then get dulled to its importance and signifigance just like a Holocaust memorial

I do think it is very good for people to write down their personal accounts and memories in explicit detail of that day so they themselves do not forget and can retain that raw and pure emotion for the future

everyone knows that the prick who blew up Mike's Place came from Al Muhajiroun, right?

jail them now before it happens again.

Actually the WTC attack was quite effective. Think of all we know about Islam that we didn't know then. People have started reading the Koran, learning Arabic phrases, learning the names of the Muslim holidays, how to pronounce all the names right, customs, history etc.

Not a cheerful thought - but I suspect it was their intention all along.

83 Michael

I think the more sensational headlines are intended to generate clickthrough revenue. I really hope some of the trends others have been commenting on as far as mainstream media losing market share pan out. All the outrageous bias is starting to drive me nuts.

The A.P. are almost as bad as Reuters.

Isreali missile kills Hams dirtbag in Gaza

That is what the headline should read but AP/Fox use the term 'militant.'

Targetpractice,

You know as far as Psy Ops go we should start using the nutiness of most of the world to our advantage.

When they say the USA / Zionists control the world we should say:

"Yeah you bet your bottom dollar we do and you better watch your asses because were gonna get you bastards!"

As having dealt with the mentally ill there is nothing worse for them then to feed into their psychosis by agreeing with it.

We could really fuck with the world by agreeing with their madness to our advantage

I think that would be fun and usefull

rabidfox (or anyone),

Where did you get your DVD? Where can I get a copy of the 9/11 documentary by the French guys? Like an idiot, I forgot to tape it.

Charles,

How about creating a weblog entry for people to add their personal 9.11 accounts as a comment?

Here is a link to mine from last year:
[Link: 4arrow.com...]

I think I will write it again this year

#87 Ann Elk

Not a cheerful thought - but I suspect it was their intention all along.

You're not serious, are you? The terrorists' intention was to decimate, not to educate! I agree that they want to Islamize the world, but 9/11 was a direct attack on the American people and our economy, not an invitation to a Muslim teach-in.

Think of all we know about Islam that we didn't know then.

America may have woken-up about the RoP after 9/11, but not in ways that the Mohammedans would want.

Anyone else not like Johnathan Hunt on fox? His reporting in Israel has been somewhat slanted in recent memory and the morning he was reporting live from a Hamas funeral (its a stretch to call a propaganda parade a funeral) was rediculous.

In connection with the faces of the victims of 9/11 link posted above..here is 'Faces of the Fallen' showing soldiers who have died in Iraq:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

God bless 'em all and keep their fellow soldiers safe.

How soon before PETA issues a statement condemming the targetting of a hapless donkey?
The Apache helicopter targeted the wanted man's donkey cart...
So they blew his ass to smithereens!

Sorry, jumped the gun. I should have completed the thread first, then I'd have seen where he said he'd post it later.

#85 Michael Glazer,
Does anyone need to write it down? Do you ever forget that kind of thing? I clearly remember everything from the morning the Challenger blew up. My mother remembers everything from the day JFK was assassinated. I clearly remember everything from 9/11. When I heard that a plane had hit the first tower, I went online but the internet was jammed. I grabbed my Walkman and went outside my building, because I can't get AM reception inside. I still remember how it felt when I was standing outside on a beautiful September day listening to the radio. The sun was shining, it was warm, not a cloud in the sky and I was crying. Funny thing, I work in a facility with 50-60 buildings and a couple of thousand people, but there was not a soul on the street. For half an hour, I didn't see a person outside. I went over to another building and every office with a radio had it going and everyone was clustered in groups, huddled around the radio.

#91 Mike:

You got a good point there. Maybe it's time we started telling these nuts that the Zionists really are in charge, Dubya is little more than a meat-puppet, and that the events of the last year or so are simply the tip of the iceberg. Tell'em that we've got plans in the works that'll reduce the majority of their holy sites to rubble. If the EU (read: France) or the UN (again: France) tries to rise up and assure the world that they're the ones in charge, begin leveling sanctions and even threaten leaving the UN with a number of like-minded nations right behind us.

Guarantee within a month, the Islamofascists will either begin cowering and begging leniency or come out in the open and make better targets of themselves.

#92 Atomic Redneck--see post #46.

For what it's worth, my life changed totally. I was walking down the hall of our ultra trendy office suites when I saw 9-11 unfold on one of the many wall mounted TV monitors used as decoration.

Our suites, then known as Ground Zero typified all that was dot-com down to our conference rooms with hip names like Bikini Atoll. I remember my exact words as the second plane hit, "F*cking muslims!"

The most immediate affect related to our insurance provider that was destroyed in the attack and our premie twins arrived within the month. We were forced to lobby politicians to make the insurance providers buy our block! What a nightmare, our bills still totalled five digits, without good government it would have been $200K.

The instant association of the name Ground Zero with 9-11 doomed our office suite and they closed by the end of 2001 forcing us to relocate our offices.

Our business seemed to implode from that point, bad paper and bad faith. Our phone provider Worldcom went belly up along with other vendors. We had numerous legal hassles related to slow payers. My work overseas became much more complicated and travel was exasperating, not to mention potentially dangerous.

Forced by 9-11 to come up with more revenue, the State decided upon a multi-year sales tax audit and the IRS went for a multi-year income tax audit.

Have no fear, this is America! I sold my house at a huge profit, moved to a dandy small town to raise my kids, and won my audit by getting over $20K (not including interest) back from the IRS. WooHoo!

Atomic Redneck,

You are right WE will remember but think about the future, think about your kids, your kids' kids they should know how you saw it with your own words dont you think?

#95 Blue Falcon

Anyone else not like Johnathan Hunt on Fox? His reporting in Israel has been somewhat slanted in recent memory and the morning he was reporting live from a Hamas funeral (its a stretch to call a propaganda parade a funeral) was rediculous.

What ever happened to Jennifer Griffin? I think that she was terrific. She was not afraid to call a terrorist a terrorist.

OT --- but Victor Davis Hanson Friday article is up at NRO --

[Link: nationalreview.com...]

I know he has lots of fans here!

Thanks OR. Obviously I killed way too many brain cells with my afterwork drinks last night. I'm having a dumb day. Time for a hard reboot on my brain. You're a good buddy, helping the handicapped.

Joel (#97):

How soon before PETA issues a statement condemming the targetting of a hapless donkey?

Actually, PETA's already something like that--see here.

#94 mickthemick:

No, I am serious. Really.

Terrorism is a violent form of advertising.

And it is very effective.

Their attack had to be massive and horrible or nobody would have noticed; it wasn't the first attack after all.

I believe that is part of the problem in dealing with terrorists - we are not fighting the right battle. We are falling into their trap.

But then, I don't work for the State Department, or for the United Nations, or even for a newspaper so who cares what I think...

Okay, today's my day to leave out important words, I guess. My #106 should read: PETA's already done something like that.
Preview, Preview, Preview!!!
Many apologies.

#106 Yossarian

I remember that incident. PETA is more concerned with animals then with human beings. They sent a fawning letter to Arafish who must have laughed his guts out when he read it.

Blue Falcon:

Anyone else not like Johnathan Hunt on fox?

Hunt was the author of the notorious "Hamas official targeted by Israeli militants" article. He should be treated as hostile and fisked on sight.

I'm a crusty old bastard that held the tears back for almost a full year. But then I read this Bleat and the tears started flowing. The second to last paragraph is the one that does it. Dammit, James, you made me cry all over again!!!

I, too, have not forgotten and will not forget or forgive until the scourge that is Islamofacism is totally eradicated from this earth.

NEVER FORGET. EVER.

#73, we are with you. A daily trip tot his web site reminds us that 9/11 was only the beginning and that the war on civilization by the Islamo-nazis is by no means over.

Civilized people should never forget or excuse a culture that revels in slaughter, that parties when little children are immolated or blown up, that dances in the street and passes out candies to celebrate cold-blooded murder.

I, too, weep for the dead. And I hate them with every ounce of my being. Those images should be shown daily, and shame on the worthless mainstream media if they expouse on the "the healing process," just as they do about the "peace process."

"I've seen how Islamic zealots behave.
I never forgot and I never forgave."

I'm Israeli. The attack occured in the afternoon and I didn't have the tv or radio on so I didn't hear about it right away. I ran to the tv to hear that the Pentagon had also been attacked and that the President of the USA had gone to secure quarters.

For a moment I truly believed it was the end of the world.

A true story. Back in the spring of 1998 I thought my job was in jeopardy as one of my suprevisors was giving me a real hard time. I updated my resume and answered an ad in The NY TImes. Well I got an interview at Cantor Fitzgerald in the WTC. CF lost everyone who showed up for work on 9/11. In hindsight I really was lucky that I did not get that job. My job was saved and CF did not make me an offer. Had they made me an offer I would have taken it because the work was interesting (Securities compliance) and the people seemd very nice. Such are the turn of events.

Charles put your bike away and start posting some more articles already!

Sept. 11 - Remeber, Renew, & Celebrate

Sept. 11 should be a day we Remember those who are no longer with us because of the terrorists. This would include the 9/11 victims, rescuers and our brave soldiers.

A day we Renew our determination to do whatever it takes to destroy those who would destroy us. Counter the constant stream of defeatism the media elite are trying to shove down our throats.

A day we Celebrate the strength of the US and our allies in fighting this war that was declared on us. Remind ourselves that we won't be defeated. Also to acknowledge the progress we have already made in hunting down and eliminating those who attacked or would attack us.

If I were a media person I'd want to put on a special that chronicled our war on terror so far. I'd start with the towers and go through the various battles we've fought. (If it were ME doing this, the emphasis would be how well we've done since 9/11.)

Our media elite don't want to put on such a special. If they did, the emphasis would probably be on "what did we do to deserve this". We'd also be preached at about how awful we're doing in the war and how Iraq would be better off left alone.

Our media elite are still banging those drums of doom, gloom, and failure. We can't depend on them to help us remember. They don't want us to. They want us to think failure and defeat, to recognize how WRONG it was we struck back.

Screw 'em. Do something special on Sept. 11 with family and/or friends. We don't need the media to help us do this.

North Korea is going to announce its nuclear capability and to test nuclear weapons.

Indymedia is busy deleting all mentions of this story on the newswire.

"Why has the article on North Korea's upcoming nuclear test been suppressed? (english)
huh? 1:44pm Thu Aug 28 '03"

While you're there you can also read my post of why Howard Dean isn't a Jew, which most Indymidiots seem to think he is.

Hi all! I,m back! Thanks for all of your letters of concern the day of the horrific bombing last week. you are all so great! i was in England at my in- laws, but my girls were here in Jerusalem, and I was pretty frantic till I got hold of them...
On our trip to America to visit my relatives, we had a chance to go to ground zero.I Havent been back to new york in about 7 years for a trip, and I was heartbroken by what I saw.
I live near at least three places where deadly attacks happened with blocks of our house and my kids school and i pass them everyday,, so I thought Id be at least a bit prepared to see the place,,, I wasn't. It simply overwhelms one with a horrific sense of loss .. before moving to Israel 20 years ago, as a pup, I lived in the usa, and I remember the towers being built,,, I spent summers with my grandmother in New York, sometimes going down to lower Manhattan to ride the ferry, or go to Wanamaker's, or walking over ffrom chinatown, the towers over serving as a landmark as we got closer and cloer to them.Once there we always took the subway back to queens in the basement of the buildings... they were very beautiful and very awe inspiring to a little girl...
Poor new York now looks like someone removed its arms.. it looked scarred.. i couldn't help crying a bit, and my husband and daughters felt the same...
Doesn't 9-11 deserve a respite from the crazy energy of American life, for people to sit back and reflect on what they have, what they lost, and what they stand to lose if they dont fight the cancer that is terrorism?

OT,

CNN reports that Israeli helicoptor strike kills Hamas official.

Allah-Puncher,

NOO!

Tell them he IS Jewish - then they will all vote for W!

Thanks for all the cyberhugs...
I feel a little better now.

121
CELISIA
thats making my night too.. woohooo!!!

oh yeah, doing the blast - those - *** *** up - and - away dance!YIPPEE YIPP YO!!!
just hope that when that bastard gets his mangy 70 virgins, he'll find out his thingy dingy is STILL IN GAZA being car swarmed ... as well as his right hand.
KOL HA KAVOD LE TSAHAL!!!

The Christian Science Monitor hits the bottom.

"Neocons & their blueprint for US power."

Guess whose pictures are on the graphic?

Jooos!!!

At least one of the major networks should have all day, in depth coverage of Islamic Al Qaeda sympathizers Al Muhajiroun and their big (non) celebration.

Hamas militant killed by IAF missile strike in Gaza Strip

Nothing at all on the networks.

Interesting.

Hehe, I want to see pictures of the donkey cart swarm pronto!!

Question: Are the little pieces of donkey flesh sacred? Does the donkey qualify for martyr status? Donkey virgins in heaven?

125 AG in Houston:

Star billing, yet again!

If they're not careful, all this attention just might go to one's head.

#23 Studsup

"The leftist mainstream media wants us supine, sleepy and vulnerable to the next attack. That's why you won't see anything on TV about 9/11."

Oh, come on. The day we have to rely on some weepy footage of buildings burning to tell us that people want to kill us is the day we, as a nation, have become too stupid to deserve our existence. Could anyone possibly forget this? No. Are people telling their kids about it today? Yes. Problem solved.

Furthermore, if we really want to catch terrorists... there are currently 6 times as many FBI agents searching for pot than for people trying to blow up our buildings.

I don't care how far you have your head stuck in the sand, there is no way that a plant that makes you eat doritos and twitch when you look at bright colors is 6 times more deadly than a fucking bomb.

You guys are barking up the wrong tree. If anybody is making us vulnerable to terrorists, it's that jackass Ashcroft and his drug war.

SoCal

What I want to know is why I was not informed of this ascent to power?!?!

I am a proud Jooo.

I would serve the cause well, down to the letter of the Protocols.

131 AG in Houston:

That's the thing about anti-Semites. They're often very rude, and rarely ask for permission.

SoCal

I think its anti semitic of the Jooos to exclude a fellow Jooo.

AG in H-town:

Maybe some lizardoid minion can photoshop you into the banner, right next to Bill Kristol.

No need to show it again on TV.

For those who remember, no reminder will be needed.

For those who have already forgotten, no reminder will ever help.

I would wager that just about everyone on this blog has had his/her life changed by 9/11. Maybe not on the outside, unless they happen to live in NY or have lost a loved one; but on the inside. I know that my politics have changed utterly. My knowledge of the world has increased a thousandfold (although there's still a lot more to learn). Is this true of everyone? No. But I do believe that most people in this country have been impacted and changed in very serious ways by 9/11. It's like a litmus test, a watershed, a turning point. For some, it only solidified what they already thought, whether they were conservative or leftist or pacifist. For others, such as myself, we've reluctantly become more hawkish and more centrist. But, most of all, we've become more aware.

The change in me and others is (I believe) permanent. I, too, am reminded when the weather is particularly clear and the sky is piercingly blue. I was raised in NY and remember when the towers were built. I have flown many times from Boston to Los Angeles. Some of the terrorists traced a path very near where I live, on the way to their dark assignation.

#1 Bubbaman,

Those who forget history...

are condemned to repeat

That was a perfect first post for this thread.

What America seems to miss is that 9/11 was its very own mini Holocaust. Israel is going through the same thing too (again). Now, I'm not trying to minimize the Shoah. However, consider these notes in the definition of "holocaust."

Holocaust comes from Greek holokauston (“that which is completely burnt”), which was a translation of Hebrew ‘lâ (literally “that which goes up,” that is, in smoke).
[Link: dictionary.reference.com...]

To break it down, holo=whole and caust=burn.
What the 19 suicide joy jockeys did was nothing less than the whole burnt offering of human sacrifice(s) to their bogus god Allah. And, I can make the exact same statement about every bus, pizza restaurant, and public area that one of Allah's blood lust cultists explodes in, in Israel. With a lack of respect for the lives of others as well as their own, Islamists sanctify that which the Bible of Jews and Christians condemns in the story of Abraham and Isaac (Isaac, not Ishmael).

Those two majestic towers and everyone who died in them were a whole burnt offering to Allah in the name of Islam.
Like the Shoah that Jews must remember with shame and pain to prevent its repetition, America must remember this event.
If America chooses to forget about it so quickly, then we are doing nothing more than asking for it to happen again.

Never forget it. And, never forget who did it, and why.

I think the material in the Christian Science Monitor on neocons was kind of sympathetic. Check out the various links to Max Boot and Walter Meade Russell

Strangely, considering that it's basically the TY Times of Canada, the Globe & Mail has a 9/11 shot on its home page right now

103 Joel

is he that jerk with the English accent..

reporting while walking within the funeral mob?

feh

I don't know what the FOX lineup is for 9/11 but I sent them an e-mail suggesting that they do just that, ie. follow the muslim celebration.

June 1, 2006
On the second anniversary of the vaporization of New York, MSNBCBSABC plan no special commemorative programming. "We've been there, done that, and it cuts into our t shirt and burka ad revenues," said a spokesmodel for the network..

Does anyone else get the impression that NoKorea's "we got em and we're gonna test one" claim sounds like advertising? Who knows what goes on in Lil Kim's "brain", but I expect a blue light special next week on nukes and missiles.
C'mon, GWB, let's get the rest of the axis.

#103 Ploome yes taht is Jonathan Hunt, a real asswipe. Jennifer Griffin whow as the Fox reporter in Israel was excellent. There was no moral equivalence from her, unlike Jerrold Kessel the CNN man in Israel who never met a terrorist eh didn't like.

It seems that the more prevalent view here is that the planes hitting the WTC doesn't need to be shown again and that, if a lesson was to be learned from that day, it's been learned, but I must disagree. While our reactions to that day should be couched in reason and thoughtfully weighed, I, for one, want to feel that visceral anger and fear, the strange disconnect that you get from watching a catastrophe you can't stop. There are 364 days of the year to intellectualize that day and our subsequent actions, but on one day of the year, I want to feel it in my bones. I want to grit my teeth and feel my eyes well up, cursing the bastards who think that they can harm us.

#130 Scarshapedscar -- "You guys are barking up the wrong tree. If anybody is making us vulnerable to terrorists, it's that jackass Ashcroft and his drug war. "

OK, I'll bite. Explain THAT one please.

Okay, it's really quite simple.

We have a finite number of federal agents. In my uneducated opinion, the best way to stop terroristm, a major threat to our country, is to have as many of these agents as possible watch out for terrorists.

However, Ashcroft, in his infinite wisdom, has decided, and stated publicly, that he need to spend even more of our resources looking for drugs. By the numbers, he views drugs as being 6 times more dangerous than, you know, bloodthirsty killers.

What with marijuana being the second most widely used drug, by virtue of its lack of side effects, it seems to me that we are spending entirely too much time trying to find a harmless plant that is far less dangerous than the most widely used drug, alcohol.

So, I ask you: would we be better off as a country if we freed up thousands of agents to protect us from terrorists, or if we played WTC footage? Seems pretty simple to me.

yair #8

"The Onion said it best"
That was a good one. It was a good issue. I like the Point-Counterpoint debate in the same issue. It reminds me of a real debate I had on 9-12 with the managing partner of my firm. He wanted to go thermonuclear on every Muslim capital. I said a serial military take down of the rogue states would be a better first step. Lately, I have thought that "debate" mirrors the debate we have on here. The "nuke Mecca" hard-liners hashing it out with LGF moderates like me who just want to cluster bomb Hamas rallies, overthrow Iran and Syria, and checkmate Saudi. I mean we can always go nuke if that doesn't work. :)

#70, Mick

I live in CA myself, I would rather not get into specifics, as I don't live in a place as large as Frisco. I may be a bit paranoid, but its a mad, mad world.

You are correct about the fact that thinking about 9/11 all the time would be unhealthy. Perhaps a better question to ask would be if people think about the WOT all the time. That would be more important in the long run anyway.

As for the Frisco nuts, well, no one will even care about them in 50 years. Remember, history is written by the victors.

#145 Scarshapedstar,

I'm going to not engage in a legalization of pot debate but you other point is interesting in terms of application of law enforcement resources. I still disagree though. Terrorists use drug money to finance their operations. The drug smuggling routes are also very easily adapted to smuggling terrorist arms and other apparatus. I've always been concerned that bought off customs officials, organized crime (not just using that term to mean "mafia"), dockworkers, general aviation businesses, money launderers are one of the easiest ways to undermine our security. Fighting the war on drugs is also fighting the war on terror.

I think about 9/11 frequently. Here in Manhattan it's hard not to find reminders everywhere. I think it's good to remember why we are fighting a war on terror. While the media planned no special programming for 9/11 they can't ignore the release of the 9/11 transcripts. The coverage the transcripts are receiving will provide plenty of reminders to the public of what happened that day.