Considering the Anti-Semetic nature of MECHa it's not surprising. Open borders anyone?

ugh!

I think i am finally phsyically nauseous.

So many people love to support and help self-avowed savage murderers who target kids on school buses -- this is so sick, god is weeping at humanities failure

Major score Charles! No doubt those orgs are funded by the PLO.

I have a theory That Gray Davis picked Bustamonte as a hedge to prevent him being assassinated.

Hey people:

time to start checking out SouthWest Airline fares for the non-stop from LAX to HOU.

Possible LFG Houston chapter meeting and Hurricane party. The 31C waters of the GOMEX are waiting:

Quoth myself:
"You do realize that the 00 UTC run of the European Community weather model brings a strong tropical storm or minimal Hurricane to the coast between Corpus Christi and Matagorda Bay on Monday?

Wait, that is too cool, and LGF Hurricane party.

OK

Ed
"

By the way, I did have a glass of Chilean white wine tonight as I broiled swordfish steaks with mashed potatoes and acorn squash to give my wife a break from the cooking, but, no, I am like this sober.

Back OT:
Arafart and MeCha, a match made in hell.

Ah, that was back in the days when Arafat's desk was neat and tidy.

#3 Teacake , exactly

Major score......

I wouldnt be surprised if the Saudis werent funding this also

as part of their jihad

LimitsToGrowth is the web home of the Bay Area Coalition for Immigration Reform (BACIR) and Immigration Reform Network of Silicon Valley (IRNSV), grassroots groups located in the San Francisco Bay Area.

[Link: www.limitstogrowth.org...]

Where's Brenda Walker?
This should be her time to shine.

I didn't know polyester leisure suits were still in back in 1980.

Learn something new everyday.

Question for the Israeli's out there.

Was Arafart involved in the planning or execution of the Munich Olympic murders?

If so, how was he allowed to leave Beirut alive?

I just had this cinematic image of klans folk marching in the street shouting joooos jooos jooos when this stampeed of jihads on horseback, swords lopping off heads, blood everywhere.. and a few lone voices still muttering... the jooooss....

#3 Teacake:

No doubt those orgs are funded by the PLO.

Nah, but they are soulmates. From Central America, to the Middle East, to Africa, to Western classrooms the Marxist ideology is still poisoning souls by the millions. Everyone's been occupied. Everyone's opressed. Everyone's been stolen from. And it's all the fault of the white Euro devil. Reparations of land and money are the answer. Ethnicity/race determine your beliefs. Work and enterprise beyond subsistance level is a waste of time. Best to arm up, secure political power, and be ready for the big Revolution/Retribution that will right all the wrongs and elevate "the workers" while punishing the illegitmate usurpers.

Of course, those that organize the workers and help the Revolution will be "more equal than others," and deserving of a little something extra in their Swiss bank accounts. And never forget, in order to make this omelette, we're going to have to break a few eggs along the way.

Hi ploom!

Assassination Silences a Powerful Voice
Restrictionist politician Pim Fortuyn
murdered on eve of reaching power

[Link: www.limitstogrowth.org...]

In this well done tribute Brenda Walker explains who 'multi-culturalism' threatens most in OUR society.

Good researching. And hey, darned if that bowling ball in the front left of the picture doesn't look like Bustamante with a beard.

So when does the Arafish become the "catch of the day"? Hope Yamam is keeping tabs....

Aztlan.net has so much material ripe for discussion.

(shameless blog-plug, I posted on some of this on my site tonight)

http://aztlan.net/cruzmecha.htm

And how does this site feel about Israel?

http://aztlan.net/newusflag.htm

http://www.palestina.com.mx/

It's gotta suck being Gray Davis when you take it from both Bustamante, the Republicans, the voters and MECha-affiliated sites:

http://aztlan.net/manchurian.htm

A charming photo to save. Its amazing who isn't ashamed to be photographed and with who!

For those cruising (no pun intended) Mecha sites for dirt, bless you. Consider saving the stuff off if you haven't already, and documenting where you found it. Wouldn't be suprised to see the Dems call in some favors and have this stuff pulled down until after the election.

Charles and others

I might suggest downloading that site (aztlan) as an archive backup reference (just in case)

You can use tools like HtTrack ([Link: www.httrack.com...] to download entire websites easily.

And isn't that Bustamante over on the left there? ;-)

For anyone that's interested, here are the results of the Watcher's Council vote for this week.

MEChA would like to reinstitute the beautiful indigenous religions of Mexico which, of course, revolved around a system of gruesome human sacrifice, butchering tens of thousands of people a year in order to satisfy their bloodthirsty god. Birds of a feather....

A larger version of Arafat/Mecha
picture

I'm telling ya, aztlan has majorly cleaned up and toned down their site. A couple of years ago it looked like a seething hamas site. They obviously have a smart PR person.

In the 1970's it was "radical chic" to be supportive of the oppressed Palestinian people represented by that famous freedom fighter, Yasser Arafat.

Guess what? It still is.

Mecha hasn't changed as much as I thought from the 1970's....

The New Anti-Semitism ([Link: www.phyllis-chesler.com)...]
by Phyllis Chesler (radical feminist)

Explains how the "Liberals" and "pacifists" have now taken on the neo-nazi's / KKK's banner of old-fashioned Jew-hatred in a new vain.

What is ironic is how these Leftists support hatred of women, gays, races, religions and all the things they supposedly are for.

Here's a good social studies question:

If the Left no longer values womens rights, gay rights, religious freedom and other basic modern civil rights who will protect those freedoms we enjoy in western civilization?

The Left has aligned itself with all of those who hate and want to destroy the freedoms we enjoy in the West such as those mentioned above.

Who has the most to lose from the Left's axis with the Islamists?

The media will ignore his refusal to disavow that group.

The media will have a hard time ignoring it combined with Ayatollah Khomeini in the background. Excellent poster for this.

Teacake,

There's always [Link: abbc.net...] (All hate all the time)

The great nazi revival brought to the West via the RoP (The Religion of Body Pieces)

Arafish tacos.

Hill? Schafer? Saint John? Their ancestors must have come from the far north of Aztlan.

/sarcasm

Found this -

Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas, Arlington; founder of La Raza Unida political party; and beneficiary of American generosity: "We have an aging white America. . . . They are dying. . . . They are ******** in their pants with fear! I love it!" "We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."

Feb. 20, 1999 -- ...Based on U.S. Census estimates, Hispanics will become the majority population in Texas by 2008, said Jose Angel Gutierrez, a founder of La Raza Unida Party and now a political science professor at University of Texas at Arlington.

"We have this bright future because we have the critical mass," Gutierrez said. "We have the means now to take government and to lead. We have to get busy to work on our skills, our abilities, our competency to build that social capital, so we can be excellent leaders....."

[Link: www.americanpatrol.com...]

They're from asshatland.

OT: These RoP reps look grumpy. I wonder why?

[Link: www.nationalpost.com...]

#8 Michael

I'm here, lurking some and occasionally contributing. I'm writing some letters to the clueless media to poke them on this issue. My housemate got a phone call and was interviewed for about 10 minutes today by an AP reporter because of a letter she wrote about Bustamante to the San Jose Mercury, so maybe something good will come from that.

BTW, my page on Aztlan is here.

[Link: www.limitstogrowth.org...]

Bob's quips are funny

Still have Fox News on in the other room. Heard them cover the cannibal story on Bill O'Reilly. Now...

Fox News, 12 am EST news program covered the Mecha story on Bustamonte. Sound bite of Bustamonte: they're just students trying to get an education, blah, blah. So what, they covered it. It's out. The others will have to at least mention it.

This is too spooky. The lag from LGF to news broadcast is shortening.

We're transmitting ammo in the War on Ideas. Love it.
Bed calls. I'm happy.

Brenda,

Welcome back!

You are a great writer and a brave activist for a very reasoned and important cause that most are too fearfull to take on.

This moment is definetely yours

Good luck

Who is this REbecca that Arafat has his arm around?
yech! The man on Anafats right with the vest and tie
looks like he was brightened up (added ?), a weird photo.
How does mechistas explain away this?

On the Calif. Recall Election:

Hey, y'all, I hear this mistake made from time to time, so I want to clear it up. In Calif, the Governor and the Lt. Governor do not run as mates in a combined ticket. The offices are separate and in California the two are often split by party, which led to a lot of fun when Republic Pete Wilson was trying to campaign nationally but couldn't leave the state in the hands of his Democratic Lt. Governor.

So, in other words, Davis didn't pick Bustamente, and, in fact, the two men hate each other with a passion, or so I'm told.

#38
What's to explain away? Quetzlcoatl is Allah with a sombrero.

#5 A Houston LGF meeting sounds great!

This photo makes me think of Tom Clancy's The Sum of All Fears - dangerous fanatics of all heritages coming together. Scary.

Still, got to say the 80's clothes look fly.

Arafish and the PLO haven't changed since 1980. Have Bustamante and MECheA changed since then?

Bustamante is quiet as a fish about his membership in MECheA is the media. If Arafish can hold to his Nobel Prize and be an archterrorist at the same time why should we expect Bustamante to be different? After all just being a liberal means your intentions are good and if you happen to belong to a holy cow “minority” you can do just whatever you want.

Model 4 and Teacake,

Guess what NGO is the biggest financier of the La Raza movement and MEChA...

THE FORD FOUNDATION

"...in addition to creating MALDEF and La Raza, [the Ford Foundation] funded numerous other Hispanic advocacy groups, such as the Southwest Voter Registration Education Project and the Latino Institute." More on the Ford Foundation, MALDEF, the NCLR, etc.

http://www.americanpatrol.com/MALDEF/FORDFOUNDHYMO WITZMALDEF.html#more

More on the Ford Foundation. and it's association with ...The Open-Borders Conspiracy
Ford often uses organizations that have some legitimate aspects to them to provide cover, giving funds to finance a specific pro-immigration program within the organization. To wit:

Arizona Farmworkers Union, African-American Institute, American Bar Association Fund for Justice and Education, American Civil Liberties Foundation, American Council for Nationalities Service, American Friends Service Committee, American Immigration Law Foundation, American Public Welfare Association, Asian-Pacific American Legal Center of Southern California, Bilateral Commission on U.S.-Mexican Relations, California Rural Legal Assistance Foundation, Casa de Proyecto Libertad, Center for Constitutional Rights, Center for Economic and Social Studies of the Third World, Center for Migration Studies of New York, Center for Southeast Asian Refugee Resettlement, Center for Teaching and Research in Economics, Central America Resource Center, Centro Presente, Chinatown Resources Development Center, Christian Community Service Agency, Clinica Monsignor Oscar A. Romero, Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights and Services, Farmworker Justice Fund, Haitian Centers Council, Haitian Refugee Center, Haitian Task Force, Immigrant Legal Resource Center, Indochina Resource Action Center, Institute for Regional Education, International Refugee Center of Oregon, Inter-University Program on Latino Research, Intertect Institute, Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, Lawyers Committee for International Human Rights, Legal Aid Foundation of Los Angeles, Lutheran Council in the USA, Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service, Mexican-American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, Migrant Legal Action Program, Multicultural Education Training and Advocacy Center, National Association for the Southern Poor, National Bureau of Economic Research, National Chicano Council on Higher Education, National Coalition of Advocates for Students, National Coalition of Haitian Refugees, National Council of La Raza, National Immigration Project of the National Lawyers Guild, National Immigration, Refugee and Citizenship Forum, New York Association on New Americans, Policy Sciences Center, Population Council, Population Reference Center, Potomac Institute, Refugee Policy Group, Salvadoran Humanitarian Aid, Research and Education Foundation, Social Science Research Council, Southeast Asian Mutual Assistance Associations Coalition, Texas Legal Services, Travelers and Immigrants Aid Society of Metropolitan Chicago.

The point is that all these organizations are not just pro-mass immigration by nature; they are specifically paid - bribed - to be so by massive handouts of Ford Foundation money. Other left-wing foundations - and most foundations are left-wing - have behaved similarly.

Political groups that lobby for mass immigration include religious and ethnoracial identity groups, such as the Council on American-Islamic Relations. CAIR lobbies against any type of border security, especially actions directed at Islamic peoples due to the friction between the U.S. and the Islamic world. CAIR hopes to one day make the U.S. an Islamic nation.... Less amusing are the strongest political groups that lobby for mass immigration. These are, of course, supporters of mass immigration from Latin America, particularly Mexico. LULAC, MALDEF, and La Raza are the best known of these. MALDEF and La Raza were both founded by and are partly funded by the Ford Foundation. MALDEF and La Raza are also heavily funded/bribed by other CFR-run foundations, especially the Carnegie Corporation and the Rockefeller Foundation. La Raza receives millions in federal grants, fees and contracts.

Tonight in LA on KFI640 am, John & Ken show the word went out that Davis has promised to sign the bill that will allow illegal aliens to get a CA driver's license.

John gave out the phone number to the governor's office and within a short time, a Davis goon called to threaten John with reporting him to the FCC for harassment.

Davis thinks citizens calling him to protest his move to further destroy this state constitutes harassment!!!

Bustamante and Davis may not be homies, but they are in the same political ruling camp in CA, which is beholding to special interests in such kind has not been seen since 1911 when the recall statute was instituted.

We know terrorists come up through Mexico..they have wads of cash to pay to "coyotes." Now they can, with a easily obtained consular document from Mexico, get a CDL.

And the DMV will be, under this bill, forbidden from sharing their thumbprint database with ANY law enforcement agency.

be very afraid.

#41
You're right! This is like the Riddler AND the Pengiun AND the Joker combined.

and the meek shall inherit the earth...maybe it means the earth will become a bombed out hell if you are meek in the face of evil and then you will have to live in that hell of an earth.
So ya better speak out against evil.
(Amongst other things it means too Im sure)
No worries about you guys being meek tho ;)

Wow, that picture is like looking at a bunch of demons who have taken over bodies.
If anyone makes movies out there, its prime time for some 'invasion of the body snatchers ' type flicks.

That pic is such a great find that it is almost a crime to alter it. But, it was so obvious, so easy, and so much fun, that I couldn't resist.

PDM,

Good job!

That ones a keeper for sure.

#47 PDM

very very funny......

Muslim poll on America:

[Link: www.islam-online.net...]

Sample question:

2. I hate America.
Y/N

Also, why women are "religiously deficient":

[Link: www.islam-online.net...]

Why would any self-respecting woman want to be a fourth sperm-receptacle for one of these pigs?

Brenda,

Have you tried worldnetdaily.net, frontpagemag.com and townhall.com

If you have tried frontpagemag.com unsuccessfully let me know I may have an "in" there that I can utilize to get you published at that site.

#47 PDM

Would love to see you do a version with tinfoil hats.

#28   Michael Glazer  - There's always [Link: abbc.net...] (All hate all the time)

Aztlan was even worse than that Michael a few years ago if you can believe it. When I first stumbled on it I thought it was a satire or something. I was also highly confused to see all the pro pal and anti Jew items being it was latino. However, aztlan could very well the latin version of abbc after all. What I don't understand is why all these non muslim people promote islam like they do and don't bother to convert. I swear, there is some major hypnosis going on... its the only explaination. I hope. For this much hate to be spreading globally, again is just too weird considering the westen world's level of education and sophistication.

34 Brenda

Excellent site.
what you document is chilling

Is anyone besides you and Michele Malkin doing anything about this.?

Fiery Celt, what I don't understand is why, if the Ford group is American (only assuming it still is) why would they want all that nutso stuff coming here. I am now recalling an article about other antics the Ford Foundation I saw recently, and it was shocking, but so much of today's stories are disturbing and unbelievable that I forgot the details... which all seem to boil down to the same murky darkness.

Interesting picture. Birds of a feather, flying too close to the sun? Time will tell.

Call me paranoid, but I just remembered that the guy who owns Ford now is arab. When those tires fell apart a few years ago they were interviewing that fellow and he had such a friendly face. But shortly after 911 when commercials started up again I couldn't help but notice how many Ford commercials were airing. Way more than usual. It was really creepy.

#44 Darlene--
Also I heard that other U.S.states are watching the Calif Drivers License issue and may enact legislation to not recognize them or to have avail a secondary ID. They do this to protect themselves from this phony--
non-traceable pseudo-ID. What about rental cars in other states....if the CDL is in effect "invalidated" how will a Ca resident rent a car or truck? Maybe that is the plan:to wit, issue,flood out all these ersatz IDs and render Californians as Stateless--
2003 DPs-Diplaced Persons like at the end of WWII.
Better order and carry Certified copies of Birth Cert,and get a Passport.

Thanks Michael Glazer and ploome.

#52 Connecticut Yankee,
Sounds like a future project... the tinfoil keffiya.

I was just checking out the site that's hosing that original picture. Disgusting as usual!
But is did get a laugh out of this:

Osama bin Laden : The "Pancho Villa" of Islam

And, you can meet 5-year-old "Hamza" there to at the page called .../hamza.htm. He might be a candidate for the Palestinian Child Abuse Slideshow.

#58, Big L. Californians are stateless, Its just not official yet.

Hmmmm. here's the missing "o".

Is this how Bustemante feels about gay rights???

I haven't even bothered to skim these comments I am so enraged by this picture. This is just FUC*ING GREAT! Now I can rest assured that if this ass Bustamante slithers his sorry self into office it won't be long until all these loud-mouthed hyper racists walking around on my campus suddenly turn "militant" and decide to take back "Aztlan". These groups specialize in selective history and the persona of perpetual victimhood... I am all for first amendment rights, but these hyper racist/nationalist groups are practicing SEDITION and are conspiring (quite openly) for rebellion against these United States. I don't give a shit how fringe or miniscule these groups are, something needs to be done to inform my felow Califonians about the feces currently seeping in to undermine this nation. I assure everyone I will alert every damn oakie with a shotgun in this central valley about this group, Bustamante, and their ties to proven TERRORISTS.

Believe me, Californians aren't allowing this to happen, they just don't know about it.

Excellent sites everyone, (sadly though that they exist.)

Charles,

I didn't know we could link to aztlan.net here (not that I want to).

#62 Soybomb--Isn't that lovely talk...These people(?) and their left supporters are suppposed to be so kind.And are we supposed to believe that 'Outing" of the
supremes as well. I would think bustamonte would run from this group. (wouldn't mean anything but get the topic of the table;hope it stays on the table)

#47 PDM

I LOVE YOU PDM!!!!!!!!!

PDM is my hero. On any given thread, somebody here will recommend a visual representation ("manifestation") of LLL moonbattery, and PDM comes through every time, on his own dime, just for our pleasure.

All Hail PDM!!!!!!!

soybomb (#62) Interesting and horrifying link. Nice how they make it the Jewish/Homosexual agenda. Not only that, but it's interesting that they make veiled accusations of homosexuality against three of the Justices but are careful not to name names since they could be sued for libel.

Interesting, too, from a cultural standpoint since in Mexican culture homosexual behavior is relatively commonplace but never talked about. Thus, there is a fair amount of bisexual behavior with the woman being totally unsuspecting and therefore at elevated risk for HIV and Hepatitis B and C, without being aware. Again, classic projection.

These people make me sick. It is very important that all of us get the word out about Bustamante's connection to MEChA. My mother hates to talk politics, but I forced her to listen to me tonight; she was totally unaware of any of this, and was prepared to vote against the recall but for Byustamante, purely along party lines. She's having a hard time accepting Schwarzenegger; for any Jew who grew up during the Holocaust, the Austrian accent is a big turn off, but she promised to disseminate the word about Bustamante. It's a start.

You guys may have seen this before, but if not...

Mexican Anti-Americanism in America
[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

Another relevant MECHA page:

The final decision on the next Chancellor for U.C. Riverside will be made by the President of the University system Richard C. Atkinson. Atkinson is also Jewish and there is a strong possibility that he will replace Orbach with another of their own. Jews make only about 2% of the state's population yet they dominate the state's academic institutions. Also, the two U.S. Senators of California are ladies of Jewish descent.

As the largest segment of the Alta California population, we are not going to stand by while our university and colleges students are unjustly attacked by Jewish/White racist students. We will hold campus administrators ultimately responsible. Our collective community consisting of countless Mexican-American educators and families have worked very hard, starting at kindergarten, to open the doors of the institutions of higher learning. We will not allow a small group of morons and bigots at our universities to deny equal educational opportunity for our students.

MECHA comments on UC Colleges and Jews

PDM and Iowahawk together would make an excellent book.

PDM - I tried to post the aztlan link a week or 2 ago and couldn't. Weird.

I am so glad I moved out of California when I did. Wait until Bill Handle sees this picture. I will never forget that voice, which I can hear now as he sees it. LOLOL

How the heck did poor Chicano students get the money to travel Lebanon anyway? I can't afford to go to Lebanon, and I'm one of the 'privileged' white occupiers of 'Aztlan'.

#62 soybomb

This is no big surprise to those who are attuned to the nature of the "Jewish/Homosexual Agenda in the USA". Of the six votes in favor of sodomy, two, Ginsburg and Breyer are Jewish and three are homosexuals ( two of them in the closet and the other is latent).

The "Jewish/Homosexual Agenda in the USA" ..LMAO like they give a shit about the US.

Good link.

Jewish LGFers, you obviously Control The World because you're destroying us on all sides of the political and social spectrum. The Righties among you are "destroying" our right to be Gay and happy, and the Lefties are "destroying" our family values and thus American Culture.

BTW "soybomb" is a hilarious nick. I like soy!

#20 Michael Glazer has a link to a program that can record entire websites...I have a feeling that might be necessary as these websites may all evaporate in the next week.

Tasty -- Thanks. Just remember to "Burn the Cheese" and ska to Dylan. :)

We can throw up a huge roadblock to this Mecha insanity. Two words: TOM MCCLINTOCK... forget Arnold. He's an appeaser. Tom is the real deal.

#74

Maybe I should have included "/sarc off" tags after the second paragraph for the sarcasm impaired.

Damn how many groups do we have who want to take over America?..sheesh.

Have you all heard about George Washington supposively having a dream or a vision that America would go through three major wars as it grew more and more developed and he said the last one would be fought within our own territory, and we are almost overcome but we do win..and he saw an angel come down after we are victorious and plant the American flag and say something to the effect of "As long as the stars shine in the sky, this nation shall stand"

I always feel a little flighty posting stuff like this with you guys, what can I see, maybe I am , a little :)

I believe its a true story tho, not exactly sure, let me see if I can find a link.

Tasty Beverage & Teacake (lol, that sounds delicious, and I mean that in a most innocent way)
{you do make me blush}

#71 Teacake,

I think Charles usually has a block on Aztlan and VNN (possibly other hate sites too). My guess is that he may have removed it to allow a link to the thread feature item.

#75 Big L,

Unfortunately, Aztlan has been around for a while. It would be a blessing if it evaporated in a week.

I lifted the ban on posting links to aztlan, because the topic is directly related -- and also because so many other places are linking to it right now that LGF shouldn't stand out in their referrer logs, and draw the freaks to us.

Here's the link for George Washingtons vision..It seems to be not exactly proven beyond a doubt but there is some proof behind it.
It's interesting nonetheless, I think.
[Link: www.ushistory.org...]

Teacake,

I swear, there is some major hypnosis going on... its the only explaination. I hope. For this much hate to be spreading globally, again is just too weird considering the westen world's level of education and sophistication.

...but so much of today's stories are disturbing and unbelievable that I forgot the details... which all seem to boil down to the same murky darkness.

I don't want to get all religious on you...but the aforementioned reasons are why I started reading the Bible again...This has all been foretold.

The resurrection of Israel,... the return of the Jews to Israel and the world wide hatred of Israel, as well as the great apostasy from the church...
The global wars and rumors of wars.The strengthening and rising of evil and hatred throughout the world.

The virulence and globalism of evil, anti-Semitism and the vilification of Judeo-Christian beliefs and the attacks on God, are beyond belief...Why now? What is happening? So what are we to believe?

#84 Firey Celt

Never underestimate the capacity for mass stupidity powered by the conviction that one is right over everyone else. This goes for all sides involved.

#32 Bob G:

They're from asshatland.

Perfect. May I borrow it?

OT:

Auckland anti-Semites LTD. react to the dismissal of Malcolm Evans for his anti-Israel/Semitic cartoons:

[Link: www.indymedia.org.nz...]

These bitches and bastards still hold firm the belief that it was the "Jewsh lobby" that got Evans sacked. In a country where the paltry Jewish community exerts roughly the same amount of influence as the local Women's Bowls Club.

Continued from above. Some background to the Evans situation

Tasty Beverage & Teacake (lol, that sounds delicious, and I mean that in a most innocent way)

Sure does!

Jewish LGFers, you obviously Control The World.

I do have a relative that writes for Newsweek who when I emailed him a few years ago, (only met him once) he never did respond (and we have the same last name, so he had to know). So much for clout! LOL

Fiery Celt - unless this is being instagated by the apocolypse (sp?) crowd... I just don't know. Guess we will have to see. I am actually looking forward to seeing if G-d actually still exists and will please intervene already!

#47 PDM, late to the party, sorry, brilliant as usual!

#68 mommydoc:

for any Jew who grew up during the Holocaust, the Austrian accent is a big turn off,

I don't think you have to have been a Jew who grew up during the holocaust to feel that way, that accent sends shivers down my spine also.

The difference is, that I can accept that a son, or a daughter, of someone with that accent, is probably not a Nazi.

Joseph Farah of WorldNetDaily wrote in 2001 about "America's Palestinians".

President Bush says he wants to see a Palestinian state carved out of Israel.

He may be surprised some day soon when that statement and his recent actions in support of it come back to bite him.

Why?

Activists who see themselves as "America's Palestinians" are gearing up a movement to carve out of the southwestern United States – a region (called Aztlan) including all of Bush's home state of Texas – a sovereign Hispanic state called the Republica del Norte.

The leaders of this movement are meeting continuously with extremists from the Islamic world, and you can read for yourself how they have been inspired by the Palestinian cause, and even adopted the most vicious forms of anti-Semitism in the process, by reading their own words on their own website.

"There are great similarities between the political and economic condition of the Palestinians in occupied Palestine and that of La Raza in the southwest United States," explains an editorial from earlier this year in La Voz de Aztlan in Los Angeles, the city seen as the future capital of the new Hispanic state.

Los Angeles, you see, is the southwestern U.S. version of Jerusalem.

Ridiculous? It didn't go unnoticed among the Aztlan activists when Los Angeles Mayor James Hahn told Mexico's President Vincente Fox last week, referring to Los Angeles: "Our city is a Mexican city."

Read the rest.

Great. Mexican fascists....*sigh*. deport them and be done with it

An editorial from today's Jerusalem Post Calls for the end of Arafat.

No less than it is in the nature of man, it is in the nature of governments to prefer known to unknown dangers. We, too, cannot be certain that the removal of Arafat will bring about the peace we all seek. But we also feel that the current situation could hardly be worse. Removing the man chiefly to blame for the loss of so much life, rather than rescuing him, seems to us one risk well worth taking.

OT

BBC doing badly at the Hutton judicial enquiry. See the column at the side of this report from the Sun -

[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

At least he isn't running for president.

Just like it's too bad Schwarznagger can't run for president.

Send him off in an unmanned Sesna with a very special seat belt.

O/T to PDM:

Nice job on the latest Latuff spew (just saw it on Israeli Indymedia (ugh)).

Also, did you see Latuff whining that he has now been banned from NYC Indymedia (as well as, apparently, the Indymedia of 3 other countries)?

For anti-semitism.

Really, how deep do you have to dig to be banned from Nazimedia for anti-semitism?? The mind reels.

[Link: indymedia.org.il...]

#96 Jheka,

I did see that thread on the Israeli Indy... and on a lot of other Indy sites too :(
I wanted to post in the thread you linked to, but it would not allow an image in a reply, so I started a new thread.

Latush seems pretty ticked off at the NYC site, but I don't know that he is actually banned. I'll watch for future posts by him (as usual).
I have yet to read through all of the NYC IMC posts about the "Latuff incident," but here are a few:
[Link: nyc.indymedia.org...]
(his 3rd repost, lol)
[Link: nyc.indymedia.org...]
[Link: nyc.indymedia.org...]

It will be really interesting to see if this one (by someone called "anti-Latuff" ;-) gets hidden:
[Link: nyc.indymedia.org...]
Even more interesting will be some of the comments from the Indymidiots.

#14 michael Glazer

Sorry to have to disagree (both with you and the article)
First: i live in rotterdam and things here are not as bad as the article describes

Second:Fortuyn was never a politician,he was a media event,constantly changing his mind on every subject imaginable

Third:he atracted mostly people disstatisfied with their own existence and looking for something easy to blame, they were the ones giong on about immigration
(wich by the way was even then alreday being curved downwards by measures taken by the dutch government)

Fourth: Fortuyn never gave solutions ,he only pointed out problems and always managed to avoid serious debate by either running away or changing the subject or as in most cases by claiming he was demonized by the media and the politicians,while the truth is that he gave as good as he got.

And last but not least:the base of his "political" movement consisted mainly of people who claimed it would be fun to go into politics,but in reality were lobbying to have rules&regulations removed from certain areas of business ,or to change something basic as the speed-limits in this country.(or even in one case,to secure prefferential medical treatment of a family-member)

Whan you read his books(i have) you will find that Fortuyn was no daniel pipes or Samuel huntington, he was a man caught up in his own popularity and not any longer in control of what was happening, he himself admitted as much in the latter days of the Opera that his campaign had become.I was and am a strong opponent of Mr Fortuyn and his party,but i am even stronger opposed to the fact that one lone nut,more concerned with the welfare of animals then that of humans took it upon himself to introduce violence in the dutch political arena.

#97 PDM

Wooo...latuff and CO are just fulla venom aren't they?

Sorry: should read "rules and regulations"
and :"dutch political arena"

Alternate caption:
"In a suprise move, PLO chairman Yassir Arafat appeared at a casting call for the T.V. series "Chico and the Man" during a recent visit to the U.S. Here he poses with actors trying out for the role of Chico; he himself thought he was perfect to play the lovable "Man", but was disappointed to learn the role been won by actor Jack Albertson. He later attributed this to a Zionist conspiracy."

RUP? Isn't that the RoP spelt incorrectly?

#67 Tasty Beverage

I LOVE YOU PDM!!!!!!!!!...All Hail PDM!!!!!!!

Agreed!!! PDM is not only very talented, but also very generous.
Kat mentioned Hamas instructing their ilk to dress like women and I mentioned that it would be cool if PDM would do a mock-up of Madame Arafat. And voila...

[KEYBOARD PROTECTION ALERT]

[Link: vinylfrontier.com...]

That photo illustrates the cosmic convergence of violent radical anti-Semitic idiocy. And facial hair.

The racist Mecha and Arafish - birds of a feather. This is another good reason for Israel to finally annihilate the PLO, the PLO's tentacles reach out to other loony nihilistic groups and Israel should cut the head of the snake off.

Rev Ed:

Question for the Israeli's out there.

Was Arafart involved in the planning or execution of the Munich Olympic murders?
If so, how was he allowed to leave Beirut alive?

Arafart set up Black September - Black September was Fatah's intelligence service and Arafart controlled Fatah. Why was he never killed? Probably because the Israelis must have felt (foolishly) that the fall out would be too great. Arafat should have been kiled in 1968.

#106 Joel

Arafat should have been kiled in 1968.

Agreed. But it's not too late.

Taking out the Rat will eliminate Abbas's excuses for failing to crack down on the terror groups since he says the Rat undermines him.

Israel will do the palis a big favor by putting a J-Dam on the Muqata.

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Used Crustypanties wants to regulate the oil industry in Mexifornia. As if the Golden State hasn't suffered enough with electricity costs....

My favorite part of the picture is that it was taken in Beirut in 1980. The scene of Arafat's greatest triumph. The destruction and subsequent occupation of the only tolerant, free and open country in the middle east in the city that used to be called the Paris of the middle east.

FUCKING SHIT! HUGE BOMB KILLS 20 IN IRAQ!

A big old bomb just blew up in Iraq killing 20+ people at the holiest shrine in Shiite Islam, I believe the Najaf mosque. It appears to be sectarian violence. Most likely it was Sunni Saddam loyalists.

The Right: We are defending the Constitution and upholding it's preserved values.

The Left: Shut up and cease your xenophobia.

The Right: They're coming to America to kill us all.

The Left: They're coming to America to vote for us.

The Right: They're bringing guns.

The Left: We're taking our guns away.

The Right: WTF this is bizarro world.

BTW, it's not that I fear the left violently taking over the world. It's the kind of Napoleonic leader that rises to power whenever the left does grab power and fail as they repeatedly have done in history.

Revolution...Fails...Napolean.

Revolution...Fails...Lenin...Stalin.

Revolution...Fails...Mao.

Revolution...Fails...Kim Il Sung...Kim Jong Il.

Revolution...Fails...Pinochet.

For heavens sake, how many times must the left fail to realize they are wrong?

#109 Allah-Puncher

It's a race to be the next Mullah Order. The Sunnis and Shiites will continue to beat eachother up while the Kurds and Assyrians move forward towards a Republic. I actually think this is good as the Kurds and Assyrians are much more democratic and liberal.

108 Veeshir

The destruction and subsequent occupation of the only tolerant, free and open country in the middle east in the city that used to be called the Paris of the middle east.

Small nitpick. The only tolerant, free and open Arab country in the Middle East.

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Re the photo:

I don't know what's worse - MEChAS ties to Arafat or Fred Saint John's liesure suit. Man, I bet he regrets this photo.

axiom, well as long as the Shiites and Sunnis are too busy blowing each other up to kill our guys, then this Iraq thing will be a lot easier.

The Kurds, they just rock. You know they got it all figured out.

Geez, I am on a roll today. I finally was able to get some contrarian opponents of mine in the net to admit they support terrorism as they define it as "resistance". Big suprise, these contrarians all reside in Europe, only trust the BBC and the Independant, and are now admitting to membership in the Fifth Internationale.

#77

Tom can't win this round. Vote for him, see Bustamante elected.

Are you and Tom prepared to accept that responsibility?

#111 axiom

Not to nit pick, but the Russian revolution didn't fail. It succeeded and was led by ruthless people (lenin and stalin) from the outset.

Mao was there from the outset too, and that revolution seems to be going strong.

Kim Il Sung was more the product of cold war proxy politics than a true revolution.

And Allende's government wasn't a revolutionary one, with Pinochet more a consequence of US antipaty towards leftist government in the americas than anything Allende did, or didn't do.

There are scores of leftist governments that don't have any history of consequent dictatorial repression or power grabs. And indeed there are lots of non-leftist regimes that get ursurped by nasty dictators.

OT but .....
A friend from Israel just called to say "Don't worry, we're okay.".
I had no idea what she was talking about so she explained that the husband of a friend in their yeshiva was killed by a sniper a few hours ago. His wife was injured in the face & one hand but her 7 month old baby (foetus) is fine. It happened only 10 minutes away from where they live.
No word on whether or not they got the shooter.

One more widow.
One more orphan.
Only a couple of Jews, though.

I'd better stop before I crack some molars.

Why isn't Katie Couric talking about this?? While Katie complains about Arnold Schwarzenegger being "the son of a Nazi Party member".. but Arnold wasn't born yet when his Father was a nzai.... Hardball Katie has been damn quiet about Cruz Bustamante's connection to one of the nation's most virulently racist organizations. Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, or MEChA! As a former latino, its times the media pays attention to this clowns!!! Aztlan is nothing but a wet dream and big one at that!!!!
Come on Hardball Kaite... when are you going to ask those hard questions of Cruz Bustamante???? Or are the bronze people beyond your intellect to understand?

Good article on Bustamente in The New Republic; unfortunately it's subscribers-only. But here are some quotes:

Although Bustamante is California's lieutenant governor and thus the state's second-highest elected official after fellow Democrat Davis, he is hardly what you'd call a political heavyweight. For one, there's the reality of Bustamante's job. ... "All the lieutenant governor here has to do is wake up in the morning, check the paper, and make sure the governor is still alive," says one California Democratic operative. "And, if the governor's still alive, then the lieutenant governor can go back to bed." Then there's the reality of Bustamante himself. Short, fat, and balding, Bustamante, alas, doesn't make up for in brains what he lacks in looks: "I'm not the smartest guy," he recently conceded to the Associated Press. ...

Although Schwarzenegger's Terminator is the Hollywood character most frequently invoked during the recall campaign, Bustamante has his own silver-screen doppelganger: Chauncey Gardner. Like Peter Sellers's character in Being There, Bustamante has demonstrated an uncanny knack for being in the right place at the right time. ...

As lieutenant governor, Bustamante, the state's highest-ranking Latino elected official, tried to carve out a niche as a race-relations specialist, trumpeting a program called One California, which sought "to serve as a forum to understand diversity." But he botched the effort when, speaking at a 2001 awards dinner hosted by the Coalition of Black Trade Unionists, he accidentally substituted a racial slur for the word "Negro" during his speech. ...

Of course, compared with a porn star or the Terminator becoming governor, the prospect of a career politician like Bustamante replacing Davis might seem anticlimactic. But a Bustamante victory would actually be a bigger shock; after all, at least Carey and Schwarzenegger are distinguished in their fields.

#119 Fox

Why isn't Katie talking about this??

You mean Katie, who wishes Saddam made it safely to Syria, Couric?

Though I used to like America's Sweetheart (before she started shoving a TV camera up her ass), she long ago swung over to the LLL side.

I'm late to the party here, but PDM has done it again :) Bravo Jeeves!

Hardball Katie has been damn quiet about Cruz Bustamante's connection to one of the nation's most virulently racist organizations

White people are only allowed to point out the evils among white people. Once you cross over into the evils of people of color, it is racist.

#85 Juliette

By the name of the prophet (penis be up in him) I hearby grant the name "Chicano Student Movement of Asshatland" to the public domain for use in mockery, ridicule, taunting, scoffing, jeering, derision and scorn.

Without reading the caption, I couldn't tell which fat greasy sons-of-bitches are Arabs and which fat greasy sons-of-bitches are Mexicans.

Great find, Charles! Further proof that all of the world's idiocies have converged (for quite some time in this case).

PDM - did you see all of the vomitous photos posted by "Rabbi" at your repaired thread? They were really, really disgusting.

I'm no expert, but there seems to be some manipulation in this picture. The guy identified as Juan José Peña seems to be set in a darker tone than the rest of the group, and he does look like a cutout. The arm around him from Arafat seems strange as well. Besides, what's the picture of the Ayatollah doing in Arafat's office?

Any comments?

Fernando,

Look where the image is from (web site) by clicking on it first to gain some perspective

#68 mommydoc: Do you have any backup documentation for your apparently casual slurs upon Mexican culture and lifestyles? If you don't it sounds disturbingly like casual slurs made upon another ethnic/religious minority...

It's interesting to note that the virulent nativism shown on LGF toward American Muslim immigrants has been matched with vicious nativism on this thread toward Mexican-Americans.

Just as CAIR does not represent most Muslims, Mecha and some crazy professors and some Spanish-language rag with a circulation of a few thousand who actually read it do not represent Mexican-Americans.

Most Mexican-Americans are too busy making a living, raising families, and trying to keep their neighborhoods whole to get involved in politics. That's why the voter turnout for Mexican-Americans is so low. That is, until the California Republican Party in 1994 decided to put that ridiculous ballot initiative on and doom itself to political oblivion, even if Davis' incompetence hands them a break and they elect a Governor. But even with that, Mexican-American voting rates are much lower, not just in California, but also Texas, Arizona, everywhere.

23 million Mexican-Americans will have an impact on American culture, no doubt about it. So did millions of Irish immigrants, Italian immigrants, Jewish immigrants, Cuban immigrants in Florida, etc. etc. Is the U.S. a worse place for this? Not on your life. Is is coincidence that the least ethnically diverse place in the U.S. (except for African-Americans) is the South, which traditionally until the 1970's was also the cultural and economic backwater of the U.S, the "Sahara of the Boz-art" in the words of H.L. Mencken, who also wrote famously of the circus surrounding the Tennessee Scopes "monkey" Trial?

When I left California in the early 1990's it was also DOOMED, according to people such as those on this thread. By 1998 such talk was forgotten. By 2008 I predict today's gloom and doom will be forgotten again.

My overlong rant in #130 aside, if I were still in California I wouldn't vote for Bustamante either. Peter Ueberroth looks pretty good, even if the fact that he has real accomplishments rather than an acting career or a witty repartee means he has no chance.

Another factual question about Charles claim that the Raza Unida Party was a "predecessor" of MECha; MECha already existed in the 1970's, before this photo was taken (that's when Bustamante was a member at Fresno State). Did the two groups merge later?

#129 Gordon: Hahahaha. We're not going to be the same without you. Gotta find something black to wear.

#126 Ariel,

I saw all of the posts by "rabbi." My guess is that it is Rav Latush.
All of the items offered were Latuff items, and it only makes sense that he is keeping his hate-filled eyes on the NYC IMC site now.
If it is him, we may be lucky enough to get another visit from the hatemeister.

Mickey Kaus at kausfiles (linkable thru slate.com) is all over the Mecha thing, and seems to suggest that McClintock has been banging the Mecha drum, and that it got fairly high play on last night's TV news.

In the meantime, Fox is reporting that Bustamante --- running hard to the left of Davis --- has announced that if elected, he will have the state set gas prices. Wow. Sounds like he's running for president of Venezuela!

Gordon (#129) Only ten years of experience as an OBGYN caring for low-income predominantly urban Latinas, about 80% Spanish-speaking only or mostly. To be fair, my comments about unadmitted homosexual/bisexual behavior are more relevant to the less assimilated. I should have made that clear.

One study of 374 young Latino MSM in the San Diego/Tijuana region found high rates of HIV: 19% in Tijuana, Mexico and 35% in San Diego, CA.7 In Tijuana, only half had ever received HIV prevention information and less than half had ever been tested for HIV. Young MSM in Tijuana were more likely to report sex with females and injection drug use than young MSM in San Diego. In San Diego, young MSM were more likely to report unprotected sex with men.

[Link: www.caps.ucsf.edu...]

It is important to note that homosexual and afeminado are synonymous with the more often used colloquial terms puto, joto, maricon (see example, Jiminez 1971, 199). Since all these terms apply only to those males who play the anal-receptive sex role in a homosexual encounter, the implication is that the anal-insertive masculine male is not homosexual — and separate terms exist to describe him (mayate, chichifo, and picador). Thus from an early age Mexican males are likely to be aware of same-sex contacts and of the activo -pasivo dichotomy that exists between males have sexual contact, and that there is a stigma associated with the pasivo but not the activo sex role. (p.17)

If sexual dominance is maintained during intercourse, masculinized activos retain their gender / sexual privilege, presumably enjoying the sex as well as freedom from social condemnation, while the femininzed pasivos are subject to ridicule, a general sense of social disapproval.

This category contradicts popular notions surrounding homosexuality in Mexico which identify pasivos as homosexuals, that is as feminine and penetrable and which identifies activos as "normal" men who are masculine and who penetrate others (regardless of gender of those penetrated).

[Link: cellar.usc.edu:9673...]

The petitioner in this case, Geovanni Hernandez-Montiel, realized as a child that he was attracted to men and began dressing and behaving as a woman. As a result, he suffered repeated harassment and persecution, including twice being raped, by Mexican police officers. In 1994 he fled to the United States and applied in the following year for asylum and withholding of deportation.

[Link: www.nilc.org...]

Don't mess with me, Gordon. You're not well-enough armed for a battle of wits with me. Haven't you figured out that I only post facts that I can back up?

#136 mommydoc: Thank you for your links. Next time I would suggest you put them in the original post so as not to arouse questions.

As for "messing with you," OOOHHH, I'm scared.....

On a more serious note, the Mexican culture of "machismo" does leave something to be desired. But, as with the similar Italian and Greek machismo culture of immigrants from last century, it will eventually be overwhelmed by American culture and, while still troublesome, become the butt of jokes more than anything else.

And, no I don't have any links for the last paragraph. I'm just spouting off.

Here are just a few more things on the same web site. The place is loaded with this kind of thing:

Another strategy for La Raza to use, in defense of the Palestinian people, is to identify and boycott products presently being exported from Israel to Aztlan. Israel presently exports about twelve billion dollars worth of products to the United States. About four billion of this twelve billion is in the form of polished diamonds. Jews have the diamond industry cornered. They control the diamond mines in Africa and the diamond merchants in Amsterdam and pretty much everywhere else. Presently there is a very effective effort to save fur producing mammals because many women of good conscience have refused to purchase fur coats. La Raza buys diamonds principally on wedding rings. We have been brainwashed to believe that diamonds have intrinsic value. The slogan "diamonds are a girl's best friend" was invented by Jews. There are other beautiful gem stones that we could learn to cherish, for example emeralds and rubys. This would entail minimal cultural re-orientation as Chicanos and Mexicanos but perhaps we may lead a world movement to de-value diamonds for the cause of saving the Palestinians. As the world Jewry starts losing more and more money as diamond sales decrease, they would be pressured to agree on an equitable peace with the Palestinians. Don't buy Jewish diamonds!-Justice for the Palestinians!

[Link: aztlan.net...]

The Israelization of the USA and its Dangers to Mexico

[Link: aztlan.net...]

I learned that major food companies throughout America actually pay a Jewish Tax amounting to hundreds of million of dollars per year in order to receive protection. This hidden tax gets passed, of course, to all non-Jewish consumers of the products. The scam is to coerce the companies to pay up or suffer the consequences of a Jewish boycott. Jewish consumers have learned not to buy any kitchen product that does not have the (U) the (K) and other similar markings.

[Link: aztlan.net...]

Gordon: The only questions aroused were yours. Most here know me well enough to know that I speak from authority on medically-related issues, or I don't speak. I really don't have the time to do literature searches on info that's part of my basic medical knowledge base. This is something you could have just as easily done.

I've indulged you once; next time you want to fact check my ass, do it yourself.

Ed: Doncha love it? And, silly me, since I don't keep kosher, I forgot to "look for the union label" when I buy my trayf.

And DeBeers is Jewish? Who knew?

Gordon:

It's interesting to note that the virulent nativism shown on LGF toward American Muslim immigrants has been matched with vicious nativism on this thread toward Mexican-Americans.

So, good ole Gordon can't see why anyone should be fed up with these raving lunatics who espouse Chicano racist supremacy, and who would like nothing better than to see the dirty 'gringos' turned into a minority they can subjugate?

These people are hateful bastards and I don't give a damn about what language they speak or what's their cultural heritage. They're scum all the same.

By hinting at an implicit 'nativism' displayed by most American LGFers, you're clearly trying to imply that most of them are xenophobic, racist bastards... And while that may be true in certain nutcases, the truth is that people here are concerned specifically with Mexicans who want to creat their own 'anglorein' country in what's now the US.

Your suggestion that this has somehow something to do with 'nativism' is extremely disingenious. This thread's not about Hispanics, Latinos or whatever you want to call them. It's about Mexican hate groups, you white gringo asshole.

No Hondurans. No Puerto Ricans. Just Mexicans.

Try to figure out why, Gordon. But first, take that Tinfoil Hat DeLuxe™ off, will ya?

Bravo, A.VanHilten. Beautifully said.

Deconstructing Gordon:

#136 mommydoc: Thank you for your links. Next time I would suggest you put them in the original post so as not to arouse questions.

What he really means is 'Next time, please don't make me look like the fool we all know I am.'

BTW, those questions were 'aroused' because you thought Mommydoc was fooling you. No need to do that, Gordon. You fool yourself. All the time.

#141 aVanHilten: Just as with Muslims, LGF'ers like you are trying to demonize millions upon millions of hard-working, good Americans who happen to have a different skin color/native language/religion than you.

I have no quarrel with your characterization of MECha and La Raza types as "raving lunatics," just as I don't have any quarrel with characterizations of CAIR and their ilk as such.

I do have a quarrel with the following characterizations on this very thread:

- All of Brenda Walker's posts, references to her nativist website, and admiration for its xenophobic stance.

#43 Fiery Celt's rant about the vast open borders conspiracy.

#44 Darleen's unsubstantiated claim that "we all know" terrorists come up from Mexico.

I have to go now temporarily for an Echo-cardiogram appointment, but I'll be back with the rest of the "all Mexicans are scum" arguments presented on this thread.

Gordon, go to the search box at the top every LGF weblog page and search for "all Mexicans are scum." You're the only one saying that kind of drivel.

Gordon's now playing the sympathy card:

I have to go now temporarily for an Echo-cardiogram appointment

Guess we should go easy on poor Gordon. While he keeps heaping accusations on us. Nice try.

Gordon:

#141 aVanHilten: Just as with Muslims, LGF'ers like you are trying to demonize millions upon millions of hard-working, good Americans who happen to have a different skin color/native language/religion than you.

You're being dishonest again. Look, Gordon, the issue here are racist
Mexicans. I never intended to paint all Mexicans with the same brush
and, indeed, I haven't. I thought that was clear from my last post.

Your reading comprehension is certainly poor if you can't grasp that.
To be a liberal, you're quite obtuse, Gordon.

Actually I do agree with Gordon, though only in #130. I've tried arguing with Brenda before about her positions w/r/t Hispanics, and I don't think they're grounded in facts as much as pure hatred. I agree with A. Van Hilten #141 as well - the hate groups really bother me. But I think Gordon is right that some posters here are quite xenophobic in their view of Mexicans. Some of my best friends are Mexican, including my girlfriend who's half-Mexican. And she's neither poorly-educated nor lower-class, being a Dartmouth grad with an MD who's just starting her residency, and coming from a family which is universally lawyers and doctors.

One of my best friends at the University of Pennsylvania, another Ivy League institution, was a Mexican. She was the top person in the Mexican Chemistry Olympics in high school and came to Penn to learn to be a ChemE. She comes from a middle class family in Mexico but decided to return to her country because she misses her family. Quite frankly, our country is worse off for not having her. She's smart, talented, and works hard, while still being fun-loving.

That's true for many Mexicans. And if some of their culture rubs off in America, will that be a bad thing? Their culture enjoys many of the good things in life and will help counter the over-stuffiness of WASP culture more then anything else will. Watch My Big Fat Greek Wedding again - the Mexicans are the Greeks as well.

PDM #134,

Ah wouldn't that be great if Latuff visited us? Seriously, that bunch of spew that he (or someone else) put up was really revolting. I hope you "repaired" them, hehe.

Oh, and BTW, Mexicans happen to be born in Mexico, they come in all shapes and sizes. Muslims, on the other hand all believe the same shit. That book they call the Qu'ran. Big difference, Gordon.

This is not an irrelevant point, since many people of your persuasion tend to think that criticizing Muslims is tantamount to being racist.

Oops, in #148:

She comes from a middle class family in Mexico butand decided to return to her country because she misses her family.

Ariel:

I agree with A. Van Hilten #141 as well - the hate groups really bother me. But I think Gordon is right that some posters here are quite xenophobic in their view of Mexicans.

I have also noticed that trend, but that's usually the same people who
can't tell the difference between CENTCOM Brig. Gen. Ricardo Sánchez
and the neonazi nutjobs of La Raza. To them they're simply Hispanics.

Ariel (#148) I am mostly in agreement with you. However, largely through the ministrations of (hopefully) well-meaning liberals, the newer generations coming in are far less likely to aspire to those goals. Because of political correctness and multiculturalism, far more wallow in victimhood in their barrios and fester away in bilingual self-esteem building classes while learning nothing, join gangs and start having children at 15, married or not. There is no pressure to achieve more. The rare ones who do often slide by on affirmative action while signing up for MECha and LaRaza in increasing numbers.

I am sorry to say this, having worked on the front lines for the last ten years. I came into it very idealistically, and what has ruined me isn't the Mexicans, it's the politics of poverty furthered by white "liberals." I used to be one, but LGF is a big part of my personal 12-step proram.

Oh, Ariel, in #151 you changed it enormously. I certainly don't have any problem with middle class Mexicans who want to come here for better economic opportunities, which they make for themselves through hard work, like your friend from Penn.

What worries me is the never-ending stream of illegals whose kids grow up angry and impoverished and feeling like we owe them something. Just as the type of Arab moving here in recent years has changed, so is the type of Mexican. And it's not a change for the better. They no longer are motivated by becoming part of the American dream; they want to destroy the American dream and make America an extension of the hell-holes from which they came.

mommydoc #153,

However, largely through the ministrations of (hopefully) well-meaning liberals, the newer generations coming in are far less likely to aspire to those goals.

Here I agree with you as well. My girlfriend's family brought her up 100% in English, even though her dad also speaks Spanish. I think there's nothing wrong with bringing kids up bilingual - I was brought up with French as well - but they should learn the language of the country they live in. Just like I tried to learn Spanish when I lived in Spain for two or three months.

#154 - Well, she might have stayed for economic opportunities, but I think that the economic downturn here made her feel that it would be better to stay close her family. So in any case, she would have been a fine example of the sort of Mexican that no one could have objected to had she stayed.

We could use another friend of mine from Penn who's Panamian, though it's not quite as tied in since we're talking about Mexican hate groups. Still, he graduated Penn with a CompSci degree and he's now an engineer at Oracle - one of the few who got promoted despite the bad economy. So he's another Latino making America better.

All I'm trying to say is that we should hate the haters - but realize that not all, or even most, Mexicans (or Latinos) fall into that category. And unlike the mythical moderate Muslims, many Latinos vote Republican because they don't buy the affirmate action coddling of the Democrats.

#128 Michael Glazer:

I have seen the site, although my stomach is not strong enough to explore it in depth.

I'm just curious about the reasons why the picture may be doctored by the site authors and/or the mechistas.

I haven't located the exact page or article where this picture is displayed. Can anybody give me a URL?

Thanks.

Re #69

The guy that wrote that needs a bit of ediing.

The Mexican national soccer team did not play the US team in Los Angeles in the summer of 2002, they played in South Korea as part of the World Cup.

One good thing about recent post Sept 11 immigration crackdowns is that it has improved fan behavior at Mexican soccer games.

Earlier this year, the US & Mexico played in Houston, in front of 60,000 fans that behaved better than a Texas mom whose daughter had been cut from the cheerleading squad.

I only have anecdotal evidence on this, but Mexican fans who would like throw bodily fluids & nachos at US fans & players are now a bit reticent to do so. They don't want to risk a one-way trip to Mexico if they are arrested.

#149 Ariel,

It would be fun to play with the Latuff creature a little, but I don't have much time for it today. I will grab the stuff that was left on that thread and work it over soon.
I might even make a tribute page to our dear friend Carlos Latuff.
BTW NYC IMC did hide my thread. If they had any guts for "free speech" they would have left the original, and my modified "israelibus" up there.

#147: AVanHilten: I'm back and still alive (cue: groans from mommydoc and others). I'm glad that you don't count yourself among the Mexophobes, who apparently include:

#54 Ploome: thinks Brenda's site is "excellent" (why am I not surprised?)

#69 TS: provides link to anti-Mexican FrontPage drivel.

#90 aaron's rantblog: provides link to anti-Mexican WorldNetDaily drivel.

Repeat: I have no qualms about the condemnations and vilification of MECha, Aztlan, La Raza Unida, and their ilk. They richly deserve it.

And Mommydoc does make an excellent point about the language coddling of Mexican-American immigrants by misguided or sinister left-wing educators. It is doing nothing but providing a hindrance to Mexican-American full assimilation into our great civilization.

But use of a foreign language in conjunction with English is no threat. Major newspapers in New York were published in Yiddish well into the 20th century. Probably their existence was used to justify similar arguments to those we hear today about Spanish taking over California.

Thanks for the report on your health status, Gordon. Iknow we were all waiting on baited breath.

Wrong about the Yiddish papers, Gordon, largely because the Jewish immigrants to the US, like all the other immigrant groups in the 1800s and early to mid 1900s cmae here and enrolled in night school to learn English. They didn't even call it ESL then. There was a wonderful but out of print series of books by Leo Rosten, starting with The Education of H*Y*M*A*N K*A*P*L*A*N fictionalized that phenomenon. Italians sitting next to Russian Jews sitting next to Japanese all learning English because this was their new country and new language, and not demanding "culturally relevant" classes.

My grandparents never went beyond elementary school, with one exception who was tutored at home and probably achieved a high school equivalence back in the old country. They all came here and worked their asses off and went to night school to learn English, which they used all the time, except when they didn't want the kids to know what they were talking about. They raised their kids speaking English, even if it was broken, and we are all no less proud of our Jewish immigrant heritage. And they read Der Freverts because it gave them another perspective, and it was easier for them, but they all took the NYT when it was still a real newspaper.

There's a huge difference. Asian immigrants don't clamor for bilingual instruction; in fact, they typically refuse it and vote it down when possible. I haven't heard much about Russian or African language bilingual education, for that matter. Bilingual education is the political football of the Mexican Americans in the southwest and the Puerto Ricans in the northeast. My mother taught elementary school in Spanish Harlem from 1953 on. She could give you an earful about those politics, and about the fact that the kids had no fluency in either language, since most of them spoke Spanglish. Ask her also about the welfare moms who turned an empty classroom into a clubhouse to watch soaps, but when she came up with the idea of using the classroom to give them free ESL, they all fled.

One last thought: becoming an American citizen should be a privilege, not a right. It should happen because the person wants to become an American, not just to take advantage of our prosperity while plotting our downfall.

It's time we started treating it as such.

mommydoc #160,

Actually, bilingual education isn't even wanted by Latino parents. They've voted it down again and again - even in liberal strongholds like Cali and Taxachusetts. It's wanted by:

* teachers unions - more teachers
* misguided liberals - think it'll help

Also - something I forgot to say earlier - I'd bet that most people who are white trash are fairly indistinguishable in their attitudes and hygiene from most poor Latinos. That was the point I was trying to make with my discussion of middle and upper class Latinos at Penn.

I'd bet that most people who are white trash are fairly indistinguishable in their attitudes and hygiene from most poor Latinos.

Actually, in my experience, the white trash are worse. The truly unassimilated, usually "undocumented" (PC speak for illegal) tend to dress up to come to the doctor, and are very sweet with their children, especially when the family is still intact. It's the streetwise semi-assimilated Chicanos--the gang bangers, the high school drop outs who speak no Spanish, the hot chick pregnant teens and the drug abusers who remind me the most of the trailer trash.

Where are they now? With a little googling, I present Ignacio Garcia:

Google Search:
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Our Ignacio is an author:
[Link: www.uapress.arizona.edu...]

Chicanismo
The Forging of a Militant Ethos among Mexican Americans
Ignacio M. García.
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175 pp. / 6 x 9 / 1997 (3rd ptg.)
Paper (0-8165-1788-6) $18.95s
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During the 1960s and '70s, Mexican Americans began to agitate for social and political change. From their diverse activities and agendas there emerged a new political consciousness. Emphasizing race and class within the context of an oppressive society, this militant ethos would become the unifying theme for groups involved in a myriad of causes. Chicanismo, as it came to be known, marked a transformation in the way Mexican Americans thought about themselves, enabling them for the first time to see themselves as a community with a past and a present.

In Chicanismo, the first intellectual history of the Chicano Movement and the militant ethos that emerged from it, Ignacio Garcia traces the development of the philosophical strains that guided the movement. First, Mexican Americans came to believe that the liberal agenda that had promised education and equality had failed them, leading them toward separatism. Second, they saw a need to reinterpret the past as it related to their own history, leading them to discovered their legacy of struggle. Third, Mexican American activists, intellectuals, and artists affirmed a renewed pride in their ethnicity and class status. Finally, this new philosophy-Chicanismo-was politicized through the struggles of the Chicano organizations that promoted it as they faced resistance or external attacks.

Although the idea of Chicanismo would eventually unravel, its ideological strains remain important even today. Combining research and personal knowledge of people, events, organizations, and political/cultural rhetoric, along with a synthesis of scholarship from a variety of fields, Chicanismo provides a unique, multidimensional view of the Chicano Movement.

Ignacio Garcia is the author of United We Win: The Rise and Fall of La Raza Unida Party. He is an assistant professor of history at Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah.

Where are they now part 2:

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The older generation nutcase reacts to the younger generation moonbat:
[Link: www.diversityalliance.org...]

Juan Jose Pena reacts to this: "Charles Truxillo, a professor of Chicano studies at the University of New Mexico, suggests "Republica del Norte" would be a good name for a new, sovereign Hispanic nation he foresees straddling the current border between the United States and Mexico."

Juan Jose Pena, Hispanic activist and vice chairman of the Hispanic Roundtable

"This is not a new topic."

Pena recommended a book, "Mexicanos vs. Americans: Mexicano Resistance in the Southwest," by Robert J. Rosenbaum, that reviews previous separatist movements in the region.

And Pena, who was national president president of the Partido de la Raza Unida about 20 years ago, said he'd written his own (unpublished) study of Hispanic separatist movements.

"We discussed the issue then of whether there should be a separate Chicano nation," he said. "I knew armed rebellion would never succeed - we just didn't have the firepower."

Today, he said, "there's not enough political consciousness among Mexican-Americans" to succeed in the political task of forming a separate nation.

"Right now, there's no movement capable of undertaking it. But Charles could very well be right. It could happen. There are any number of political scenarios that could make it happen. But it would take Mexican-Americans getting organized enough to do it."

"I've studied lots of civilizations. The United States is just like any other empire. It's not going to live forever. Eventually it will break down because of stresses."

Where are they now part 3:

I'm not sure if this is the same Miguel Perez, but it sure sounds like him:

[Link: ccir.net...]

MIGUEL PEREZ, Cal State Northridge MEChA:
"The ultimate ideology is the liberation of Aztlan". When asked his preference of government, said, "Communism would be closest. Non-Chicanos would have to be expelled ...opposition groups would be quashed because you have to keep the power."

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If Grey Davis gets recalled the best bet on the ticket is Bustamante. First off, no matter what his background, he'd be relaxed about being a politician that could reach out to ALL the citizens. And, the one area where he can beat Bush (and be loved by the democrats for helping the democrats gain ground) is to go after, tooth and nail, ENRON.

Grey Davis couldn't.

Arnoldt! wouldn't.

Bush gets no gain if the recall ends up putting Bustamante forward.

And, yesterday, Drudge on the radio came up with a factoid that one dozen years ago Clinton declared for the presidency in OCTOBER. And, that means, behind a Bustamante victory is one of Bush's greatest fears. Not just losing the presidency because he's a coward, (like Grey Davis), but because Cheney has been up the ying yang with deals on energy.

Sometimes, politicians do the right thing. It helps attract voters. And, it wll slay the republican menace.

The republicans remain a menace as long as the country club republicans accept the right wing nutter agenda.

With Bush on the ropes there are hopes that the Supremes won't end up backwards by 40 years.

Bush has gotta go.

And, Bustamante would be a fool not to take advantae of a win, if he gets it.