ULUULUULUUUULLULULULULULUUUU!!!

IDF should give them something to scream about...

Did I mention that the Palestinians are barbarians?

I'm sorry, but every last one of them who is celebrating over the killing of Israeli civilians deserves to be killed. Anyone who rejoices like this over something like this is evil.

Nice low pass with F-16s. Make 'em poop like a Red Sox fan with a three run lead.

Prozac. We need to introduce vast quantities of Prozac into Middle Eastern water supply. These people need serious psychoterapy.

I do not understand why Israel does not drop a few 500-pound bombs when these public displays of Islamo-fascist evil occur.

Mars needs women.

We'll be seeing them again, in an after-blast Hamas video greeting card, smiling and clutching the Koran and a Bill Clinton Special.

The adults deliberately turning children into the monsters pictured here should be destroyed.

I think the U.S. should loan the IDF a few AC-130 gunships for party-crashing.

Two words....mass psychosis. I can't see any hope for the palis. They all seem to feed on violence and murder. I want to believe that there are some reasonable, humane palis, but it's getting increasingly difficult to think so.

I think I'm going to vomit.

I have to ask but one question can anyone find an example from WWII of Nazi's dancing for joy over the murder of my people?

I can't, now I ask why if the world was unified to defeat the Nazi regim, is it today unified in it's support of the
of these animals.

Yoni

O but for the presence and inspiration of a F16 with a cluster bomb for just 5 minutes. That will give them something to ululuate about!

Laugh now cry later, Holmes.

/East LA pachuco voice

Katherine: The problem is that Prozac (and any antidepressant) unmasks underlying mania. I think they're all bipolar (mania-depression). So, actually, they need giant lithium salt licks. The problem is that most manic depressives like their manic phases, so they'd never use it. Maybe replacing their table salt with lithium salt will do it.

Jamie Irons, wanna weigh in?

Just as they did on September 11, 2001, and just as they do after every mass murder of infidels, Jews took to the streets of Gaza tonight, dancing and gibbering like the bloodthirsty savages they are.
oops, that's Palestinians insteads of Jews. You must be proud to run a hate site.

Oslo Peace Process

The Road Map to Peace

Israel is Weak

Peter Jennings just said that Reifenstahl was "a woman of unparalleled talent" who produced the "finest propaganda film."
ABC simply must return this objective reporter to the Middle East as their Hamas leadership correspondent.

Take all the good palestinians and put them on a ship (probably a small ship).

Sail the ship out in the Med.

Nuke all palestinian areas (Jenin, West Bank etc.)

Sink the ship.

Is the "Roadmap to Peace" still on course? I mean, I wouldn't want for anything like a few suicide bombers to derail the vaunted Roadmap. I definitely would not want those masses dancing in the street celebrating the deaths of J-E-W-S to, in some way, impugn the great and virtuous name of the peoples of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

A car bomb might add something to the festivities.

According to the Powell doctrine:

Peace consists of terror

so

This is Peace

Bush Says "Use Of U.S. Strength" Doesn't Cause Terrorism; Powell Says Use Of Israeli Strength Does Cause Terrorism

Steve Hall: Please tell me that's a sick joke. Please tell me you have a hearing deficit. Ah, shit, I know I'm grasping at straws.

He disgusts me.

Did you all know that there's a new PC version of the Peter and the Wolf story? At the end of the new version, the wolf is returned to the forest.

This is where the loony liberal disease leads. The wolf will be back to attack you and your children because that is the nature of the wolf.

One of tonight's victims appears to be head of emergency medicine at a Jerusalem hospital. Having spent his life saving people ( not just Jewish people ) this is how these animals reward him.

MGlazer: Disgusting. And of course he said it on ABC, home of Petter Jennings.

chana61: In real life, some environmentalist chick who was protesting the fact that people were hunting the cougar that killed a neighbor's dog was, in fact, killed by the same cougar a few days later. Poetic justice. I am not making it up.

#20 David.

Take all the good palestinians and put them on a ship (probably a small ship).

A canoe should do it, doncha think?

I'm disgusted, but remember, moast of them don't know any better. They've been indoctrinated and manipulated for decades by the Arafats and Yassins and bin Ladens and Saudis, et al.

These people have been made to act like animals, but they are still people at heart. They don't deserve to be bombed or nuked, they deserve a real leadership that is not going to brainwash them into killers.

In short, we need Arafat and Yassin, Rantisi, Hussein, etc etc etc publicly humiliated and executed for doing this to human beings. And these poor sons-of-bitch need a chance to be something besides vicious animals.

Mommydoc: Oh, I believe you. I do.

What about massive female hormones in the candies? Even pond scum contributes more to the world.

I'm glad to see so many of you ranting against the enemy. It's a good way to blow off steam.

But how many of you have gotten on any number of websites to see if there's something you can do for the victims? There are many, many organizations, some of them listed on the IsraelNationalNews site (Arutz 7).

How many of you have bought a ticket to visit Israel? How many of you have contacted the IDF's LIBI fund to donate a few shekels to buy a decent vest for a soldier?

I write even as I scream, cry, read yet another series of Psalms. I try to drown out my own terror because my youngest son lives around the corner from the Hillel Cafe, because my oldest son, a commander in the Golani Brigade serving, for the last 11 months in Jenin (and before that in Gaza and before that in Har Dov in the Golan)and has lost over 22 friends and colleagues in the last two years, one only last week in an ambush and was himself wounded.

It's good that so many of you are angry. Now harness the power of that anger. Go, as I do, and try to put together groups of college students who are ignorant, and teach them the truth. Go and confront the ignorant masses, one or two at a time. Go into the soft belly of this monster and confront, fight ignorance.

I don't ask anyone to give what I give. I have given a wonderful husband (a colonel, a fighter, may he rest in peace), I am giving two sons. I have given money until there is nothing left to retire on.

Just give a little of your anger to a place where it may make a difference. Turn it into action to help an Israeli, turn it into speech that will educate a dummy. Please, Please, do something more than rant (though I don't object to the rant at all; I just don't think you should believe that just ranting is going to make much of a difference to a single dying or endangered Jew).

If I overwhelm, I'm sorry. I am a mother of Israel. I am the daughter of parents who lost their families in Auschwitz. I am filled with endless, wordless pain.

Rant away. Then, please, bring a little comfort to those who need it.

Thanks.

It's a Dean rally, right?

To-day's terrorist murderers did not enter from Gaza, they came from the West Bank.

And all I can say is "FINISH THE FENCE!!!!"

The IDF site has now reverted to the more detailed, pre-hudna graph of terror attacks.

Time to take the gloves off.

sweets for the children!

"For the very youngest, there is no more Juvenile Delinquency, but instead, Revolutionary Acts"
(from the MeCHa constitution)

These Islamozoids are creating monsters, and I've got a bad feeling about the same thing happening soon on on this side of the world :|

29 Josh

No Josh, after we defeat Nazi Arabia we can execute the leaders and be magnanimous to the mere foot soldiers. But until then, the terrorist supporting Palestinian people should be treated for what they are: an enemy army bent on killing every Jew they can get their evil hands on.

Josh: I read an article recently in Atlantic Monthly about the firebombing of Dresden. The points made about how the German people suffered too reminded me so much of the PA situation. Either these people are too blind to see that they could have a state, economy and jobs that afforded a better life, or they are so indivisibly enmeshed in their insane hatred of Jews that they cannot or will not oust the very leaders who keep them oppressed.

Are they all insane or just congenitally incapable of analytical thought?

I wish the mainstream media would show this (and show it over and over and over) so that the American and world public really saw the Arab world for what it is.

September 11th didn't happen in a vacuum. It happened not because of a few people. It happened because of a huge culture, a culture that celebrates death.

September 11th changed the way I saw the world. And for a short time, it changed a lot of people's views. But the liberal media chose to play down the evil of radical Islam (which basically is the only Islamic game in town, so to speak) and chose to portray it as a "religion of peace."

I was liberal and in many ways I am still liberal about a lot of issues.....but what happened in Israel will happen here in the USA....

And then what will all these liberal, Jew-hating, America-hating people have to say? Oops??

I also just want to say why I support Israel (and I am not Jewish and don't even know too many Jewish people).
I support Israel because:
1. it is the only country in the middle east where I feel that my life wouldn't be in danger because I am a woman.
2. Israel is a democracy and even its minorities (yeah, even the Arabs) enjoy greater civil rights than any country in the middle east and also than in almost all countries in the world.
3. Israel guarantees political freedom--there are anti-Israel Arabs in the Knesset and all sorts of political parties.
4. Israel has regular (and not corrupted) elections.
5. Israel (a tiny country) has contributed more to the world (especially with technology) than any other country in the Middle East in the past 50 years.
6. Israel vigorously prosecutes any Israelis who "terrorize" Palestinians.

I can give tons of other reasons....and I write this because of all the idiots from Indymedia who are so blind and so stupid.....

The society that the Rachel Corries are supporting would only chop their heads off if they became reality.

#24 mommydoc -

I don't hear like I used to, but I had the TV up far too loud to miss hearing the sick joke make the comment.

Anita, you are so right. I visited Israel in Feb. 2002 to show support and spend some money. A drop in the bucket, but it was my drop.

At a sisterhood meeting recently, a guest liaison of an organization helping terror victims was selling tributes that you could give to dinner hostesses instead of flowers. I'll provide a link if I can find one.

I am going to make a donation to LIBI and send pizza to a soldier before the week is out.

THIS is what we need to give the Israeli Air Force!

[Link: www.fas.org...]

(In mass quantities!)

Christine: As an American Jew, I very much appreciate your support. Thank you.

It is a sad thing when hundreds of thousands (if not millions) believe that the highest accomplishment of their people is the murder of innocents. Even the Nazis tried to cover up their murders. These people flaunt them. They are sick.

markus #17:

Are you the same markus who has posted here in the past? Your post on this thread seems inconsistant with posts by that markus. Or perhaps I'm missing the subtle sarcasm.

To:
#33 Skookumchuk 9/9/2003 04:48PM PST

It's a Dean rally, right?

NO -don't you read Best of the Web? - Dean only attracts angry white folks. Of course, this might be since he appears to be just the teeniest bit rascist.

#41 Kevin P.

THIS is what we need to give the Israeli Air Force!

One word, Fuckin-A, okay, kind of two words. CEMS, pronounced "sims" are a nasty little bugger. About the size of a tennis ball can. Can you say "combined effects munition"? I knew you could. The BLU-97/B burns you, frags you, and punches holes in armor. The only drawback is people of my type getting rid of the duds, nasty critter.

I just thank G-d that our current leaders (both political and acedemic) did not led this country in WW2. We would all be speaking Japanese right now

Jheka: the "markus" who posted #17 is not the same "Markus" who has posted here before. This one is in the city of Ingolstadt, Germany.

mommydoc
chana61

Cougar/wolf/LLL story here:

Predators don't want peace by Mark Steyn.

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

That bomb is the sexiest thing I have seen all day, and my roommate had the soaps on earlier. Now all we need is some young IDF stud to pose shirtless next to it, with a big blue and white flag in the background. Hubba hubba hubba.

Thanks for a break from the pain, guys.

Curtis LeMay was not a "nice" guy, but he was right about war: "You kill enough of them, and they'll stop." It worked for the Germans and Japanese. WHAT is Israel waiting for?

The Palestinians have taken the gloves off.... Why haven't the Israelis?

Note to Israel:

TIME TO TAKE THE GLOVES OFF

I'm half-watching the Democrat debate and most of them have emphasised that 9/11 and Osama absolutely are not linked. Its a Bush-bash. They keep running over their time allotments.

Alert- There was just some kind of rukus in the cheap seats.

As for the manufacturer of the candy they pass out - if it's imported perhaps its needs to go through some arsenic coating before putting the wrappers on.

Just a thought coming from my sometimes nasty little mind.

Thanks Charles. I won't spend another minute on the troll.

BTW, have you had a chance to take a look at the Barbie story yet?

#51 george

Curtis LeMay was not a "nice" guy, but he was right about war:

He was good in peace as well.

He developed the bombardment tactics and strategies that left Nazi Germany in rubble. He was transferred to the Pacific theater, where he took over command of the B-29’s and led the air war against Japan. He incinerated every major Japanese city and oversaw the dropping of the atomic bombs. After the war, he organized he famous Berlin Air Lift. It was this confrontation that began the Cold War and resulted in Lemay being given the job of whipping the fledging Strategic Air Command into shape..

From here. George, you an AF type?

#17 - I can't decide if you're being incredibly sarcastic or unbelievably stupid

thanks for the clarification Charles.

I can not express in words the disgust I feel at these people when they go out in the street and celebrate innocent people being murdered.Imagine if a buch of people danced in the streets and celebrated after the Oklahoma City Bombing or the Columbinr High School shootings and yet incredibly most of the world is more sympathetic to the Palestinian side.To me that goes to show why the holocaust happened in the first place.A lot of people in this world just really hate the Jews.I think it is really sad and disgusting that people villify the victims all the time.

#57 MikeC
read #48 Charles' post, it's a troll.

#53 Ex liberal so sorry.

I'm half-watching the Democrat debate and most of them have emphasised that 9/11 and Osama absolutely are not linked.

Umm, 9/11 and Hussein I think they were going on about?

#55 Jheka -

An exhibition of all the violating items is found in the holy city of Medina, and mobile tours go around to schools and other public areas in the kingdom.

Oh my, infidelity within the borders of the "holy city!"

The 184 - Cox & Forkum

WTC special on PBS right now.

Folks: History shows that the sickest trolls are attracted to threads like this like sharks to blood. Do yourselves and everyone else a favor and just ignore them.

Ingolstadt, center of the Nazi/Illuminati/Aryan Supremist religion. Somehow I'm not suprised at all.

When is the dingo fence going to be completed? Can't be soon enough for me.

#57 neither IMO, YMMV. I'm missing the qualifier "some". if it said "some Palestinians" I'd wholeheartedly endorse the post and comment.
Unfortunately it isn't there, and so I fail to see how this is different from any other generalisation which condems an entire group for the atrocities of its deranged fringe. Some people on this thread, most notably #3 seem to think in similar generalisations (FWIW, my own position is closest to Josh #29).
From where I'm standing that's not too different from running a hate site. Charles can and should do better.

#38 Christine J

Thanks and props from this American Jew. Never doubt that you are right on this matter.

Low & slow fuel dump by two F-16s in real tight echelon formation.
Then hit afterburner.
Crispy Critters!

Repeat as necessary until the learning curve steepens.

#68 markus
_____________

Fuck your holier than thou jive. Too many Israeli Jews were killed and maimed today for me to tolerate your liberal idiocy. Wake up from your grade school platitudes.

The guy on the top right look like he's having an orgasm........hell he probably is.......their culture, their
religion, everything about these people reeks of death.....

Damned Muhammed to Hell for his lies that have inspired 14 centuries of religious blitzkrieg!!!

Devon Hill

Proud Darul Harbian

#38 Christine J.

What beautiful sentiments. G-d bless you.

Yes, there have been many horrible, violent attacks by Palestinians on Israelis. But you MUST realize that not every Palestinian is out on the streets rejoicing. Just because people share the same nationality or religion does not mean that they have the same ideals/hatred/opinions/etc.

One of tonight's victims appears to be head of emergency medicine at a Jerusalem hospital. Having spent his life saving people ( not just Jewish people ) this is how these animals reward him.

If this doctor was working so hard to treat both Jewish people and Palestinian people, he probably believed that not all Palestinian people were "animals." Would you honor his death by letting his apparent message of peace die? Don't mistake me, people who commit murders should be punished. But GENERALIZATIONS and CATEGORIZATIONS get you NOWHERE...just to more violence and more bloodshed.

It frightens me that people are able to write this off as "mass psychosis." Somehow, I doubt that an entire population suffers from psychosis. And even people who are psychotic have rationalizations to their actions. If we only say "they're just evil" or "they're just animals" then we will never be able to understand (NOT CONDONE OR ACCEPT, UNDERSTAND) their actions and then we can never understand how to stop them.

After Hamas, Jihad and the PLO are gone, we should turn our sights to the UNHCR, the enabler of these savages.

On a lighter note...Fun with IdiotMedia

For all those who look at these comments here and think: How shocking that these LGF commenters are calling for the deaths of the palestinians. I have a small thought experiment.

Look at that crowd. Now imagine we put a small group of Jewish rabbis... ones who have never done any harm to anyone else, nor dream of such... in among that crowd. What will hapen?

a: They will be offered some candy and dancing.

b: They will be torn apart where they stand.

What does that answer tell you about the morality of killing the members of that crowd?

Now, imagine the same crowd, but this time we drop in a coumn of Isreali armor. Will they:

a: be torn apart like the first group.

b: kill some would-be murderers.

What does that answer tell you about the practicality of the peace approach versus the kill the bastards approach?

deborahl (#74):

we can never understand how to stop them

I can help you to understand this (don't thank me, I'm feeling generous):

KILL ENOUGH OF THEM AND THEY WILL GIVE UP.

#75 Frank IBC

"Introduction - Crisis Center Coverup" hehehe Sure to be a very popular series on idiotmedia.

deborahl

But you MUST realize that not every Palestinian is out on the streets rejoicing.

No doubt; someone has to build the bombs, and their jobs are never done.

The sad fact is, it is no longer possible to separate the "good Palestinian" from the beast. Why? Because the good ones have let the beasts control them, running their "country" and declaring themselves to be the "only true representatives of the Palestinian people".

If this doctor was working so hard to treat both Jewish people and Palestinian people, he probably believed that not all Palestinian people were "animals."

Well, no shit. They're not animals -- they're homo sapiens who have abdicated their humanity. So long as they wish to kill, and follow in lock-step with those who wish to kill, they deserve to die.

Wake me when a Palestinian peace movement -- a real one -- comes into existence. I don't expect it to happen until they've paid a high, high price, and the longer it takes for them to pay that price, the higher it will be.

#74 deborahl

That was so strange, I was hearing violins as I was reading your message.

#68 markus: O.K., you're not a troll. here is where we agree:

I would have liked to have seen a more, um, "targeted" statement. For example, "Hamasniks took to the streets of Gaza tonight, dancing and gibbering like the bloodthirsty savages they are" or "terrorist supporters took to the streets of Gaza tonight, dancing and gibbering like the bloodthirsty savages they are."

This would have, IMO, been clearer and more effective statement. However, what Charles states is true on its face. The "people" out on the street ARE Palestinians, and they and their ilk DO come out after every murderous attack, dancing and gibbering like the bloodthirsty savages they are. The problem is that while you missed the word "some," you seem to have inserted the word "all," which clearlt wasn't there. The fact is that while Charles (correctly) called those who celebrate murder bloodthirsty savages, he did not state that ALL Palestinians are bloodthirsty savages, even if you read it that way.

And now for our major disagreement and the reason I believed that you were a troll:

1. Jews, as a people, have NEVER celebrated murder and death. To suggest otherwise is ignorant and hateful. However, the same cannot be said of Palestinians and other groups of radical Muslims. While you might have liked to have seen the word "some" and we can agree that the word "all" does not apply it is a tragic fact that the word "most" would have served when it comes to describing Palestinian attitudes towards the murder of Jews. How they have descended into such a sad state is not the issue. to equate the behavior of Jews with that of the animals who are murdering them mere hours after another massacre is loathsome. You may want to consider that fact, whatever your intentions were.

2. Calling LGF a hate site is just plain ignorant. Any thinking person who reads the comments by Charles and the regular posters knows better than to make such a claim. The only thing hated here is Islamist extremists and those who aid them. Perhaps you need to read more before you post.

What really should frighten the West is the realization that the Palestinians and their insanity are just the type of society that Hitler and the Nazis were aiming for: Ruthless, amoral, bloodthirsty murderers. Hitler only had 12 years to turn his people into lunatics, and we still had to slaughter the SS, rather than let them surrender. The Palestinians (and of course, the Arabs in general, since that's who has trained them to be such psychotic animals) have had four generations of the same type of indoctrination the Nazis put their kids through. It may be that the only solution reasonable people can settle on for the Palestinians' insanity is to kill them all. At what point to people stop being human and merely parasites to be killed before they kill the rest of us? How ironic that those who hate the Jews so much, Nazi and Pali, ended up turning themselves into just what they believed they hated: "Subhumans." Or, is the only solution to wall them off and force them to live without contact with the outside world? Has Palestinian society passed the point of no return? I think it has, and we may just have to blast them into red foam.

#17 --

Just as they did on September 11, 2001, and just as they do after every mass murder of infidels, Jews took to the streets of Gaza tonight, dancing and gibbering like the bloodthirsty savages they are.
oops, that's Palestinians insteads of Jews. You must be proud to run a hate site.

Well, if Jews had thronged about, screaming with joy on 11 September, if they did celebrate mass slaughter of civilians, it would be appropriate to call them bloodthirsty savages. Of course, they didn't, they don't, and they aren't.

This is a perfect illustration of the lefty mind. Facts are irrelevant. It doesn't matter that the Palestinians *do* celebrate murder and Jews do not. Saying Bad Things(tm) about any group is the same as saying the same things about any other group. All groups are equal. Except Jews, of course. They're evil.

#68 Markus(2),

so I fail to see how this is different from any other generalisation which condems an entire group for the atrocities of its deranged fringe.

I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on the name, but you ought to change your handle. There was already a Markus playing in this sandbox, and since we're all pretty much anonymous (except to the Great and Powerful Charles, of course :-), using someone else's handle is rude.

Now, about your comment:

"Only a delusional fringe of whites in the South supports segregation."

That seems a pretty decent paraphrase of your comment. It is certainly true today. When the Klan rallies today, more protesters, of all races, show up than members of the Krazy Kracker Klub do.

That wasn't true 100 years ago. It probably wasn't true 50 years ago. But when the Klan started blowing up Churches, and the Civil Rights movement forced white Southerners to recognize the fundamental wrongness of their viewpoint, they changed their viewpoint.

As #13 yoni points out, even the Nazis didn't openly celebrate the deaths of Jews like this. Neither did Southern racists (except perhaps the hard-core Klan) celebrate the bombing of Churches and the like that went on during the Civil Rights movement.

Convince me that it is a minority of the Palestinians. That is your task (if you aren't a troll).

'Cause from where I am standing it looks pretty clear that the majority of the Palestinians are worse than the Klan.

As a matter of fact, given the power, it is difficult to believe that they wouldn't be worse than the Nazis.

Jheka:

The only thing hated here is Islamist extremists and those who aid them.

Unfortunately, the Palestinians as a group fall into that category.

At first, I believed there were decent muslims. Each new attack on innocents like these two make me more sure that islam spawns hatred, poverty, and intolerance--and it has taught me to hate--the Palestinians and all muslims. I no longer trust them. If there were decent muslims they woud be condemning suiciders in droves--either they are tongueless or they condone the killings. Charles is right--these are a bunch of gibbering savages. They have a lust for blood and killing. No wonder they fight over pieces of dead terrorist flesh like some wild animals.

#57 neither IMO, YMMV. I'm missing the qualifier "some". if it said "some Palestinians" I'd wholeheartedly endorse the post and comment.

"Some" of you lefty dingbat idjits need to take some long bus rides in Israel and see if "some" of you can stop from shitting your pants while doing so.

"Some" of you should be very, very cafeful the next time "some" of you come down my ave in D.C. and try to break anything because the next thing broken might be "some" of the bones in your face.

When the WoT is over, may we shave "some" of your heads and parade you through the streets, you moral-relativist collaborator fuckwits?

The IAF should drop "some" cluster munitions and "some" napalm on these folks.

"Someone" should then scream "Dance now, monkey, dance!" over a PA system.

Christine J.: as another non-Jew who feels exactly as you do, I thank you for your post.

It's a mistake to think that all LGFer's do nothing but rant on LGF. I give on a regular basis to Magen David Adom. I try to buy Israeli wine, produce, and clothing whenever I find it. I write letters supporting Israel to politicians and the media. I've attended pro-Israel rallies. It's not much, but it's the least I can do. Other LGFer's do much more, I am sure.

(Hell, I count writing a check to Charles every now and then as supporting Israel, although he's as much of a goy as I am. He's supporting Israel in the finest way he can - by not allowing the Judenhass to go unchallenged.)

That wasn't true 100 years ago. It probably wasn't true 50 years ago. But when the Klan started blowing up Churches, and the Civil Rights movement forced white Southerners to recognize the fundamental wrongness of their viewpoint, they changed their viewpoint.

Don't forget that our government actually applied police power, force, and the courts to punish the Klan's crimes. Contrast this with the Palestinian "government", which openly refuses to do anything about the terrorists.

And yet the idiots of the world keep crediting them with "working towards peace".

Oh, I forgot to say:

"FUCK ALLAH!"

74#Deborah
I agree it is never good to generalize about people or villify whole ethnic groups,but the sad fact is at least according to most polls over the last few years that a majority of Palestinians do support the homicide bombings.To me that goes to show there is something very sick and very wrong with that society.The overwhelming majority of Palestinians have supported Yasser Arafat,a man that has murdered thousands of innocent people over the last few decades. I think half the reason why people like us on LGF get so angry and blow off soo much steam is because most of the world makes them out to be the victims and the people who are murdered by them look like the aggressors.

#74 deborahl

And even people who are psychotic have rationalizations to their actions.

Yes, dear. I'm sure Jack the Ripper had rationalizations for what he did, too.

So, my dear, do we. Do we count? Don't our rationalizations matter?

If not, why not (given that every other full-blown psychopath's do)? That's discrimination.

I think you are in need of a self-criticism session, don't you?

You have been most insensitive to my psyche.

I am most offended.

Kat:

At first, I believed there were decent muslims. Each new attack on innocents like these two make me more sure that islam spawns hatred, poverty, and intolerance--and it has taught me to hate--the Palestinians and all muslims.

During a discussion with my mother the other day, the idea that some people have earned that level of dislike came up. I think, Kat, that we have not been "taught to hate", but, rather, that those we hate have worked incredibly hard at earning that hatred.

79 Robert Crawford: Excellent post.

#90

http://fuck-allah.blogspot.com

You aren't very original.

:-)

#85 Robert Crawford:

I fear that you are correct. However, I believe that whils, as a group, Palestinians support Islamists, I do not believe that they ALL do. What percentage do not is open to debate and, by necessity, guesswork. If they DID all support the Islamists, the solution would be far simpler and more brutal than the one that I would presently endorse.

It is a testament to (or possibly a condemnation of) western civilization in general and the Jewish people in particular that Israelis continue to die by the hundreds every year while having the power to wipe their enemies from the face of the earth. Essentially, Israelis are dying for the sake of the few innocents that may be among their enemies.

# 56
No, not AF--couple of years in an armored division. But I like Lemay's statement because it cuts through much BS. We drown in it today--look at comments about "generalizations." Comes down, as always, to "they did what they did." Time to to take AND assign responsibility for actions--individually and collectively.

I just shudder to think what this gang of islamic thugs have planned for the anniversary of 9-11.

I sincerly hope the Israeli Air Force have napalm ready to drop at at a seconds notice.

Evil, sick thugs, howling at their moon-god.

The PA has said over and over it will do nothing to stop the terrorists other than talk. This has to be an illustration of the uselessness of the PA. Time to kill all the Hamas members, all the IJ members, the fatah members and anyone else who thinks that they have a right to murder Israelis.

#90 Sharkman

That's eloquent, man. But there is no such entity.

#32 anita stieglitz 9/9/2003

In response to your questions: Some of us have. We love you all. We miss you all. We pray for you guys daily. And we really hope we could be next to you right now. Hopefully, we will be there soon.

Jews have outlived all kinds of evil, and this one won't be an exception.

--Juddah

You know, when I see pictures from '30's newspapers of screaming German throngs having orgasms at a Nazi parade, they're usually captioned "Germans line the streets of Munich to greet their Fuhrer." Not "Some Germans (and, we must be careful to point out, this does not mean that every single German is a Nazi) line the streets of Munich to greet their Fuhrer."

We know that, in fact, not every German was a Nazi, and that a very small number hid Jews. An even smaller number served in the Resistance. Yet that does not negate the fact that most Germans supported Hitler (at least until Stalingrad). Nor does that mean the Allies were wrong to bomb Berlin, lest they kill "innocents."

The fact that there are undoubtably a few decent Palis out there does not negate the fact that their people, as a whole, have fallen into the grip of what an old theology prof of mine called "radical evil" just as the Nazi-era Germans did.

#97 george

No, not AF--couple of years in an armored division

Cold war or post cold war? My brother was a "tread head" before he went 18 delta.

Anyway, the WWII leaders had it easy. They had a clearly defined enemy state. Today, we have a myriad of shadow enemies.

My little brother, not so little, he's 40, was on the Berlin wall when it fell. Tons of pics. When that happened I never thought that the free world's biggest enemy would be stateless thugs.

Jheka:

However, I believe that whils, as a group, Palestinians support Islamists, I do not believe that they ALL do.

Their silence is their assent.

Yes, I realize they have been beaten into silence. That doesn't matter -- as Heinlein said, "you can't enslave a free man, only kill him". If there are Palestinians who really want to be rid of the terrorists, they could do it.

They could at least try. There is no resistance to the terrorists. Even in Vichy France -- as fully a member of the Axis as Italy -- there was a resistance movement! Yet, we never hear of anti-terrorist groups in the PA. The most we hear about is someone who is brave enough to tell the Israelis something -- and we know what the rest of the Palestinians do when one of those brave souls is found.

As these celebrations show -- and make no mistake, this is not an occasional thing, they do this after every damned mass murder -- the Palestinian people so love murder they have no fear of even unofficial disapproval of their celebrations.

In the US, the Klan had to wear hoods to hide from the law. In the PA, the "Klan with the Koran" is the law.

#103 Donna V:
Well said.

I have a feeling that most of the decent Palestinians have already left for the US or Europe, or even other Arab countries.

I've met a few Palestinian Arabs, and more Lebanese, in the US. They're generally anti-Israel, but not in the vicious, death-worshipping way that the Palestinians pictured are. They complain about Palestinians killed by the Israelis, but they also acknowlege the tragedy of the Israelis who get killed.

reaganite:

When that happened I never thought that the free world's biggest enemy would be stateless thugs.

Dammit, I keep meaning to finally write up my (partial) comparison of the anti-Thug campaign to the anti-terrorist war we're in now.

Unfortunately, I've been as busy as hell and spending the little free time I have on other things. The basic conclusion, though, is "there's a lot we could learn from Sleeman's tactics and techniques, but he was lucky to be fighting a more pragmatic group of fanatics who didn't have the approval of their society".

Pure evil.

deborahl: it's staring you in the face, dancing and singing anti-Israeli slogans at the top of its lungs.

Everyone's not dancing in the streets. Those that are, no darker souls exist on the planet earth.

#74 Deborah
You wrote:

If we only say "they're just evil" or "they're just animals" then we will never be able to understand (NOT CONDONE OR ACCEPT, UNDERSTAND) their actions and then we can never understand how to stop them.

I used to feel exactly the way you did. I believed, as Anne Frank did that all men (and women) were really good at heart. (You know the quote, "Despite everything, I still believe that all men are good at heart" ) That quote has been drummed into every liberal's head. It has become their truth. Well, guess what, Deborah, it isn't true.

There are some things in life that cannot be stopped through understanding. It is not like all the suicide bombers needed was a good couch and a patient psychiatrist. It is the society that is sick...the whole Palestinian and Arab society. The society that condones and promulgates honor killings, the society that teaches a complete and total hatred of everything western. It is a mass psychosis. And there is no easy solution and understanding them won't bring about results because that is what the Israelis tried to do in the 1990's even after there were terrible suicide bombings during the Rabin era.

I am a teacher and I have read enough about Palestinian education to say that it teaches virulent hatred of Jews and of Israel (and of the USA). The ideas are repeated over and over and over until they become truth to those people. There has been no reform of the schools, no reform of the textbooks, no reform of the rhetoric.

I was very liberal ( yeah, a vegan, Green Party lefty who voted for Ralph Nader--now a vegan semi-conservative..well, at least on foreign policy) as I said before and still believe in things that most people at LGF would find anathema. I am not hate filled, but I see a new reality. Over and over on this site, Charles and others post things that show that Islamists want to take over the world....and impose shar'ia law. There is no room in Islam for dissension. For the few individuals who don't agree, their choices are silence or death.

Don't you see? We can't talk it out with these people. Think of the 9/11 hijackers. Do you think they were an anomaly in Arab society? I think not...they acted on what has been preached in that society for decades and decades.

So, how do we stop them? Containment, maybe.....maybe banning immigration from those countries wouldn't hurt for now, by the way (although God knows how many sleeper cells there are already in the USA and in Canada). Maybe finding alternative energy sources and then cutting off the funds to these evil countries (Yes, they are evil....the governments and the philosophies of the great majority of the people are evil).

But trying to understand them will be futile......because these are people--tens of millions of people--who cannot be reasoned with.

And yes, that is a bleak way to see the world.

I have said it a million times here, until the US and Israel start killing a lot more people they will continue to wear down the west to eventual capitulation. Big media and people like Howard Dean are worth 100 divisions of elite troops for them.

#108 Robert Crawford

Dammit, I keep meaning to finally write up my (partial) comparison of the anti-Thug campaign to the anti-terrorist war we're in now.

I'd be real interested in reading that. I imagine the two antagonists are pretty f*cking close.

Deborahl & markus

Where are the voices of the other Palestinians objecting to this evil behavior? I never see pictures or comments of Palistinian leaders, much less from ANY Muslim leader saying anything more than the cursory statement, “we condemn this act…” If ANY Arab or Muslim does NOT condone homicide bombing, why aren’t they outspoken in pushing for the prosecution of these terrorists?

It seems to me and any clear thinking individual that the reason they do not is because they do truly condone this behavior. Yes, it is true that not all Palestinians are murderous thugs. But, why don’t we hear THEIR outcry? Maybe it is because most believe the homicide bomber’s actions are just.

True also that most Muslims in Muslim controlled countries are indoctrinated by their governments to believe that the threat is the infidel (Israel). But, doesn’t that also speak to the religion of Islam?

I pray for peace, but wish Sharon would publicly stand up and say, “This has got to stop!” And then prosecute a war on those terrorist groups in and around Israel (just as the US has done in Afghanistan): That means everyone associated with Hamas, PLO, Islamic Jihad, etc. should be arrested or killed. Israel could then help the Palestinian people who truly believe in peace, although I don’t believe there are very many, install their own government through free elections.

#95:

Damnit! You just created that! I need to get me one of them Blog-creatin' thingamajigs. . . .

My fear is that a Palestine state will just be another terrorist cesspool and we need another one of those like we need Saddam. Muslims can't live in peace with anyone--has anyone paid attention to what they are doing in Sudan and Nigeria?? They persecute people wherever they infiltrate with that filthy cult of theirs. I am sick of innocents dying and the world allows it--there is a frigging genocide happening in Nigeria and the Sudan and the filth is taking over. Islam is like a parasite--feeds off the host and tries to destroy it.
PS: Can anyone tell me how to support LGF without using a credit card online? Can one send a cheque?

#115 Kat
Email Charles here. He'll send you a mailing address. I'd post it but I had a 'puter crash and lost it, again...

110 Christine J wrote:

I believed, as Anne Frank did that all men (and women) were really good at heart. (You know the quote, "Despite everything, I still believe that all men are good at heart" )

The problem I've always had with that quote is that Anne wrote it before she and her family were betrayed and shipped off to concentration camps. Would she have said it after seeing the horrors of Belsen-Bergen?

Something I thought of after I posted the last time: the Palis have descended into an even more mindless moral craphole than the Nazi-era Germans. After all, in the '30's, Hitler provided jobs and social programs and built the Autobahn. Professionals benefitted from the lack of Jewish competition. The Germans had no freedom of the press or speech, but then, they had had almost no experience with democracy and so didn't mind all that much.

The truth of the matter is that most non-Jewish Germans benefited in tangible ways from Nazi rule up until the war: that's why their support for Hitler was so strong.

Whereas all Arafat and the terrorists have done is sink the Palis into greater misery. No jobs, no industry, no chance at a decent life in that hole.

But the Palis don't mind. Because nothing is more important to them than killing Israelis.

Polls show that the majority of Palis are in favor of continuing the terrorism. Polls show that a majority of Palis believe that terrorism has brought rewards that could not have been obtained without terrorism.

The responsibility of the government of Israel is to protect its population. To do this, it has to fight a war on terror.

When you are fighting a war on terrorists, people who are not bound by conventional rules of war, then conventional rules of war are not binding on Israel.

Israel has to wage effective war on terror. If the present limits on collateral damage do not allow the war on terror to be effective, then those limits on collateral damage have to be loosened, until the war on terror is effective.

The fact that, as the polls have shown, most Palis clearly are in favor of continuing the terrorism shows me that there is a lot of room for loosening the limits on collateral damage.

There is a political cost to be paid for doing this. But right after a Pali terrorist massacre, the political cost is as small as it's ever going to get.

Strike at the enemy now, in the wake of the Pali massacre, while the political cost is relatively small.

#119
No, there is no need to kill them all.
But there is a need to wage more effective war on terror by loosening the permissible limits of collateral damage.

That's not the same thing.

#68 Markus
I can't tell much about your position, but I've got doubts that it is close to mine.

You effectively accusing people here of being racists, and claiming that only those in the most extreme fringe of the Palestinians support violent acts. This is not so: opinion polls conducted by Palestinian intitutions have repeatedly shown the vast majority of Palestinians supporting violent attacks on Israelis, including suicide bombings against civilian targets.

My personal beliefs are the result of me visiting Israel both in '98 and this past July, and meeting some Arabs and Palestinians that are decent and upstanding people, and are not supporters of terror and violence. I bought a lovely bracelet from an Arab woman in Akko who is married to a Portugese man, who dresses and thinks in a modern western way and is worried about her business and her children. I had an excellent dinner at an Arab restaurant where we were the only Jews. They were incredibly welcoming and hospitable, and the food! Miah fil miah, meah metok meah, 100%

I believe from my own experience that Arabs are capable of better, with better leadership and without indoctrination and coddling.
But these pictures show the current state of Palestinian Arabs. And it's not good.

You can support the IDF by donating towards bullet proof vests. This means less dead and wounded Israelis, and since the Palestinian terrorists are interested in more dead and wounded Israelis, this is sure to piss them off.

LIBI-lemaan bitahon Israel

SOS Fund

This is reason #2,359 why the US doesn't need any more Arab Muslims. Stop the immigration, Now!

In the meantime, send Israel some more armed copters.

Reaganite #116:

I think it is a terrible fallacy on our part to think of the terrorists as "stateless" thugs. Thugs they certainly are, but they are not stateless. They would not have the kind of money and power they do if it were not for the active support of certain states (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran).

I firmly believe that if we take the fight to those states that sponsor terror, if we make the people of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia suffer for every American or Hindu or Jew who suffers at the hands of the terrorists, we can win this war.

That is why I am so disheartened by the fact that Bush seems to be completely ignoring the complicity of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia in funding terror. We can say all we want about how evil Hamas is, but if we don't cut off the financial or ideological support for it, Hamas, like other terrorist groups will keep coming back

#110 christine j.

I'm afraid you are correct. There is no reasoning with these Islamists.I believe it's the honor/shame thing that prevents people from being responsible.

Anyway, you expressed it much better than I could have.

#46 reaganite

I know ALL about weapons effects on "monkeys"! I saw the movies while I was in the Air Force. I also did damage assesment on recce missions. I was a "target intelligence specialist" when i was in the Air Force. Loved my job, but nothing to do in civilian life....

The dancing beasts of Ramallah.

Yet another example of how the archaeologists are wrong. The Neanderthal is NOT extinct.

@68

Troll droppings

Troll = corrupt sound bytes

GAZE

As has been said on this thread many times, and by me and others many times, Israel must cluster bomb these stupid rallies. These people are sold out to genocidal antisemitism and they must be killed indiscriminately in large numbers many times over before there is any hope of peace. Unlike them, the thought gives me no joy, it's a clinical diagnosis: genocidal fascism must be crushed with debilitating force. I'm sure many nice Germans died in Dresden, but they allowed their govermnment to become Nazi, and the people willingly participated in the Nazi crimes. War is not pretty, but it is the answer to some problems.

@74
Gawd! I think I am going to puke my supper.
You are nothing more than an arabist appeaser. I wish I were a millionaire. I would round up all your sorry asses and dump you in the middle of a car swarm and see how you try to apologize your way out of that.
Oh you would leave alright, in pieces.

Donna V (#103) Eloquent as usual.

EE (#118) Exactly. When the enemy makes up the rules of engagement, attacks civilians and off-duty military preferentially and is hidden by enemy civilians, defense calls for following those same rules of engagement. There's no other way to do it. There's no uniformed dorce on a battleground to fight against. They have, in effect, made the entire civilian population into a defacto enemy force, and therefore fair game.

Frank IBC(#75) Followed that link along and then searched on one of the names and it ultimately led me to this. So, basically, indymedia is a "news source" that posts unverified ravings from unbalanced people with untreated psychiatric disorders and social problems who are looking to conspiracy theories of mind control to avoid responsibility for bad choices they have made in their lives.

Sounds right.

Donna V: I meant to say 103 and 117. What a clear mind you have.

"You know, when I see pictures from '30's newspapers of screaming German throngs having orgasms at a Nazi parade, they're usually captioned "Germans line the streets of Munich to greet their Fuhrer." Not "Some Germans (and, we must be careful to point out, this does not mean that every single German is a Nazi) line the streets of Munich to greet their Fuhrer.""

Just a few weeks after VE-Day, the great correspondent John Hersey reported from Germany that it was impossible to find anyone who had a good word to say about the Nazis or who would even admit to membership in the Nazi party.
I was there at about the same time, June 1945. My own observations match Hersey's exactly. I speak a little German, or did then at any rate.
The word "denial" in the psychological sense was not in common use in 1945, but it should have been. According to every German I met, the death camps and other atrocities either hadn't happened or they were all the work of Hitler and his little gang of thugs. All "good Germans" had been coerced into going along.
Some Germans complained to me about their silverware being pilfered by American troops, usually identified as "negroes", while one man was angry that the British had mistreated his son, an SS guard at Bergen-Belsen. The Brits had kicked the boy around, it seems, then forced him to spend a few days burying decomposed Jews.
I remarked that it could have been worse.
In fact, I also met a German-speaking Russian officer who thought it was scandalous that we hadn't yet shot all the SS men we had captured.
We know now that quite a few Germans did oppose Hitler, at the risk of their lives, but the overwhelming majority not only went along but supported him enthusiastically.
If you had seen them; the hunger and the degradation, and the absolute devastation of their country; it might be easy to believe that their change of heart was sincere. Subsequent events largely confirm this. I am not sure that this says anything about Israel's dilemna, but it might.

Donna V. #103 - Excellent post.

deborahl, markus, etc - The rather liberal Pew Institute found that 80% of palestinians believe that Israel's existence is incompatible with palestinian goals.

markus - are you a Columbia grad? I know one just like you whose name happens to be Markus.

Mommydoc #16

OK. You are right. No Prozac then but some serious psychoactive drug. I know that there are NICE pharmaceuticals out there that can help people with this kind of psychosis.

Because if this cannot be cured, I just don't want to contemplate the alternatives.

I think the Pali death cult has arisen in part because they have no understanding of death on a massive scale. They have never faced genocide, never fought a real war, and never lived under a truly totalitarian regime. Death for them is something they choose, not something forced upon them. They have no Antietam, Omaha Beach, Somme, Verdun, or Stalingrad, and no gulags or gas chambers. I think the Angel of Death needs to look ululating monsters like these in the eye. Maybe then they will understand.

AaronN,

I fear that this can be arranged.

Katherine: Make no mistake; they are not psychotic. They are quite aware of reality. Think personality disorder. Unfortunately, personality disorders are not very treatable.

Tell the folks at the top to take the cuffs off of Israel!

WHITE HOUSE = 202-456-1111
FAX = 202-456-2461
STATE DPT = 202-647-6575

Make the call, today.

On 8/20/03, the Rantblogger posted this piece of prescience. Or was it deja vu?

We need to get Victor Davis Hanson a spot on W's cabinet.

Our task — ordeal if you will — is that we must make war so godawfully terrible to our enemies, and the rewards of peace and reform so humanely sweet to our friends, that the vast middle in between will have no problem choosing sides.
-- Victor Davis Hanson

T-shirt of the day!

Yo Sharkman...

Now HERE's a logo for you!

Yo Sharkman... isn't a bit overdue for you to link to the Rantblog. I'd belong in your Southern California section.

OT: anyone know where I can find a current breakdown of Arab and Israeli deaths by combatant status, age, sex, etc.?

anyone know where I can find a current breakdown of Arab and Israeli deaths by combatant status, age, sex, etc.?

An Engineered Tragedy: Statistical Analysis of Casualties in the Palestinian - Israeli Conflict,
September 2000 - September 2002

Yehudit: thanks for that link! I've been meaning to add that to our right sidebar, and just did.

#110 christine j,

my loss of faith in the nature of man has been completely shattered from the way was was just 3 years ago in college.

Charles:

Here is one more picture ... of a fighter in the Sweaty Armpit Division ("SAD") of Arafat's Fatah organization:

oooh sorry...need to clarify...my post didn't mean people like you caused that :) on the contrary, i love to see other animal-friendly types who share my sentiments on foreign policy!!!

so maybe i do have just a tad of faith left in humanity

Hamas Leader Survives Israeli Airstrike

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Israeli warplanes on Wednesday bombed the home of senior Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar, wounding him and killing three of his family members, witnesses and hospital officials said.

Aargh!

However ... Officials in Jerusalem were quoted as saying the response to Tuesday's attacks "would be painful."

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is cutting his trip to India short to prepare an Israeli response to twin, coordiated suicide bombings that killed at least 15 and wounded dozens.

Officials in Jerusalem were quoted as saying the response to Tuesday's attacks "would be painful." The officials added that Israel would not remain silent over the two fatal attacks

# 81 We agree on the desire for a more targetted statement. As to inserting the "all" I believe it is included in the statement as is. Substituting "jews" made that clear to me, YM obviously does vary. Objection 1) is a good point, though I believe there is a lunatic fringe to the Israeli settler movement. Orders of magnitude smaller than the Palestinian fringe, of course. Objection 2) is also valid, I was being provocative. Still, blanket accusations like the one in this post are not acceptable in my book, however justified the cause. What's the problem with changing the statement, inserting one word which we agree is missing and the issue is settled. Charles didn't do that, and I think it reflects poorly on him, no matter whether he supports the "all Plaestinians" variant or is too lazy to correct a wording which might have come straight from a hate site.

# 84: it's my name. I'm not gonna change it or go anonymous just to save you the bother of making up your mind (whichever way) about the argument I post.

# 113 good point. As to why we don't hear the outcry of ordinary people, AFAIK they're afraid of the terrorists. The Nazi comparison is apt in this case IMO, in that we'd see a different side of the Palestinians once the political-terrorist complex in control is removed.

# 121 good point, I know about the polls. Still from your comment I take it your not in favour of carpet bombing Palestinians.

#134 no Columbia grad for me, sorry.

I haven't read the whole thread, but did anyone notice that after two years, these people are getting really skinny. We must be doing something right. Some things take a while, but they work.

G-d forgive me. but I begin to understand Baruch Goldstein. These people are never going to stop. Never. These people are never ever going to stop.

#153 Moshe

Oh, we all understand Baruch Goldstein very well. He is an idiot; killing a few random Arabs in a mosque doesn't help. Why the fuck didn't he go kill Arafat or Yassin instead?

Having no love for Paleos (after watching them dance on 9-11, the bastards), those pictures are one more nail (out of the 40,000 or so it takes to close one of their effin' coffins) against their claim of being part of the human race. It still abhors me that the rest of the world does not see terrorist supporting *sshioles jumping for joy and venting their pride at the deaths of civilians but rather see "angry militants" rallying around the shahid.

Keep these pictures coming, for all to see and judge. Throw the light of reality of the sham that is the RoP.

The socalled Arab Street is full of barbarians, which is a threat to our Western civilization. During WWII the Germans weren't ululating in the streets to celebrate the deaths of enemy civilians caused by V-bombs, but the Palis do. Thus Palis have sunk to a lower level than even the Nazis. All the larger German cities were reduced to cinders by Allied carpet bombing and the resulting firestorms. Why does Ramallah still exist? Waste them.

Nuke the site from orbit. Only way to be sure.
/Ripley

#49 Wild Justice: Thank you SO MUCH for the link to that Steyn article. It expresses perfectly what I've been too choked with outrage to put into coherent words.

Christine J: I think you make an excellent point about alternative energy sources being a good tool in the WoT. Because sooner or later, we're going to have to confront the Saudis. I know that for me, my next car will be a Honda Civic Hybrid--just my personal way to telling the Saudis to shove their oil up their sandy terrorist-supporting asses.

When I see photos like this one, sure, my blood boils too, just like everyone else's. But then I am reminded of how often a "protest" here in the US, which has been comprised of 20 or so people, been presented by the NYT or Dan Rather as a mass demonstration of some sort. How many people can we really see in the photo? To say that they represent all Palestinians is conjecture. I have to think that there are many Palestinians who are tired of the suicide bombers, embarrassed by them, even hate them, but they are probably too afraid to speak out in their own country, and, if they did, the American media would never report their views.

#150 "Painful" isn't strong enough. "Lethal until the cult of dhimmicide is as rare as smallpox" would have been better.

Simple question to be put to every Arab: Do you renounce dhimmicide forever? A negative answer, hesitation or resistance to the question equals a bus ride to Amman.

I came here via Jame Lileks' "Daily Bleat" page. Sadly, I'm not surprised that he would post a link to a site full of the most vile, racist garbage I've had the displeasure of reading in quite a while.

Thanks, James -- you've proven once again what a cowardly little bigot you are.

As for the rest of you, especially the ones calling for airstrikes against unarmed people or feeding arsenic-laced candy to their children, tell me: What, exactly, makes you scumwads any different from the people who planned and carried out these suicide bombings?

Many of you have never had to live beneath the boot of oppression, and therefore do not understand the depth of their anguish.

And based on many of your comments here, you laugh at their plight of attacks from Israel that kills Palestinian children, yet you do not understand why they may celebrate when the great "super-power" is afflicted with the same situations they deal with daily.

The US is not trying to change the world for the better, they are trying to change it so that it is better for the US.

Hey Slippy and "Little Timmy"
Perhaps you've never seen the pictures of these "children" with rifles in their hands and the twisted face of rage against anything that is not Islam.

They want you dead. They want our children dead.

Why? Because we are the infidel.

Israel is only defending themselves. They bomb Hamas. The terrorists bomb children and families on buses and in restaurants.

They celebrate death. They are a sick society.

Wake up! How many 911s have to happen before you realize that the Muslim world much rather have us dead than happy and free. What did Joe Blow on the 94th floor ever do to them?

Have some sense!

As for Lileks: James, you are the best!

Shelley

Many of you have never had to live beneath the boot of oppression, and therefore do not understand the depth of their anguish.

Their oppression is of the making of their leaders. Why don't they turn on them instead of on INNOCENT Israelis?

#67 Chana 61
Not all of us can do all we'd like to do in severing our energy dependence on oil but of us CAN do something and should. Good on ya!

I invested a few hundred dollars when I built my house way back in 1976 and modified the plans to include some stoopid-simple means of reducing heat gain in summer & heat loss in winter. As a result I've saved THOUSANDS of $$. I've never used one watt of electricity or one therm of fuel to heat/cool my house.
And, yes, I do value my creature comforts as much or more than the average consumer. I never turn the thermostat up or down to save energy because I don't have no stinkin' thermostat!
The problem isn't that we can't do anything individually. It's that we all sit around with our fingers up our duppahs waiting for the government & the major energy producers to come up with a magic bullet because we place such a low value on individual accomplishments. If every American looked closely at his lifestyle and made just a few painless (usually profitable!) alterations the end result would be inestimable.
Dammit, Niagara Falls is the result of individual drops of rain on the land.
My advice to hand-wringers is "Quit whining, get off your dead ass & change something!".

Again, good on ya!

Thanks, Zaide, and good for you as well. I'd love to hear about some of the things you did on your house.

#166 Chana61
Just out of curiosity or are you in a position to do stuff...own your house, building. planning, etc.
Reason I ask is that, if you have more than a passing interest, I have accumulated a pretty good data base since I built my own. I just flat didn't know as much as I do now & did/didn't do a lot of things I shouldn't/should have.
I'm always willing to share the wealth, infowise, so if you want we can have some good one-on-ones via e-mail.

BTW, are you aware that Israelis have been THE pre-eminent pioneers in alternative energy applications? Some of their methods & inventions in agronomy alone are so elegant and effective as to leave one breathless.

Zaide, we have a house but it's about 90 years old and leaves much to be desired in the way of energy efficiency. I'd be very interested in any sort of retrofitting ideas you might have.

Israel's innovations are altogether amazing in every industry that they've turned their hands to. My uncle by marriage has a relative who was instrumental in figuring out the irrigation systems used today.

#22, good point. I give to Magen David Adom they are an organization unlike really any in the world. The work they do (they are the all volunteer ambulance/medical staff that respond to the terrorist attacks) is phenomenal and worthy of our money and support.

I also go to Israel Military Surplus and have purchased shirts, a watch, bumper stickers stuff like that. BTW, if you really want to torque off the mush headed college students at the gym wear an Israel Defense Forces t-shirt.

I really wanted to support Israel but, like any good hard-working person, I wanted something for something. I figured, heck, I'll help out the economy by buying Israeli all I can.

Memo to Sharon ...

Sink the Ship (canoe).

Come now -- Reifenstahl was an extremely talented and very evil woman. Her propaganda films were exceptionally well-produced, which is why they worked so well. Just because you're evil doesn't have to mean you're inept as well.

Seeing those palis going nuts with bloodlust. They are scum are'nt they?
But hold on. Look at a lot of the comments on this board. Plenty of "death to palestinians.." retarded rhetoric. You are hypocrites. As much as Palis death parties are depressing. This weblog is just as bad.
This is a hate site. Any notion that Isreal is the victim is the conflict, is vanishing quickly. You are both as bad as each other. Sort it out guys, learn some anger management skills.