Words can not describe the pain, of dreams torn asunder, hopes destroyed, lives ripped apart,
forever,
for ever.

May they rest in peace.

And may the Israeli government (and ours) finally begin to do what is necessary to minimize such terrible things in the future.

Do not treat the murderous jackals like men.

Kill them all. Every last adult male of HAMAS and the PLO.

Start with Arafat, Yassin and Rantisi, tonight.

It really shows the absolute contrast between good and evil. I hate evil and it's infinite darkness.

Dare I say, Dr. Appelbaum was a true martyr. R.I.P.

My God! My God! How much longer? How much more?
I can't read anymore. To bed. With a very stiff drink.

I think he was an American, from Cleveland

unbelievable

That is so horrible

I feel so sad for them

May god rest their souls and bless their family

"Terrorism requires you to suspend normal morality for the sake of a supposedly higher cause. And when you do that, you have no morality and no cause and eventually no freedom, because the people who are willing to obliterate all human rights are not going to establish democracy when they win."

[Link: www.townhall.com...]

It's bad enough when we hear that there have been homicide bombings. Then we learn the details about the lives of those who have been snuffed out by the murderers and it becomes so personal. I have such a visceral reaction to this; I am sickened. I don't know how the Israelis can keep taking it. It has to be stopped however they can do it.

One of the democrate commentations (not a candidate) referred to Dean's comment as a "slip" and that Liberman shouldn't try to be taking advantage ot - heard it just a few minutes ago on the Fox debate wrap up.

I just had to say that -- it was a sick comment in light of what happened earlier today.

#1 Yishai

Amen!

My thoughts and prayers go out to all effected in these murders. Nothing, but senseless murders....

I am disgusted to realize that anything I would say would be meaningless and insignificant to the family torn asunder by this attack. There is nothing we can really offer to console their grief, save promise Justice will be upheld.

P.S. Ugh, I hate my words above, yet I can think of nothing better.

Absolutely heartbreaking. Dr. Appelbaum must have seen and helped countless victims of homicide bombings before he became a victim himself.

I can't read or even think, any more about this tonight. Goodnight all.

"When someone tells you he's going to kill you, you pay attention, you take him seriously, you believe him.

You wake up earlier the next morning and you kill him.

If you survive, you win.

If you don't survive, you lose.

If you lose, you're nothing."

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

People, remember Howard Dean's words: ... the only way to bring peace to the Middle East is for the president to broker a deal without playing favorites.

And the world will be a better place if we are unable to distinguish or even understand the concept of right and wrong. The narrative of the suicide bomber should not be discredited because he expresses himself by destroying himself and others in a momentous explosion. His form of expression expresses his hopes, his dreams, his nuances, his loves. How dare we discredit his vision by superimposing our visions, our narratives, upon his? This will not stand.

Thusly, we must treat the Israelis as we would the "Palestinians", that is, as equals because blowing children up on buses and making a death culture is verily the same thing as, well, the opposite.

See, if we weren't so damned judgmental, we'd be able to obtain peace. The trick is not to have enemies and we should all remember that.

[yes, I'm being sarcastic.]

baruch dayan haemet. May the family be comforted among the mourners of Zion and Jerusalem.

what an unforgettable day-i've been reading many stories of 9/11-and the horrible bombingsin israel-i
have cried many tears all day-and i realized WHY i hate "them" so very much-because they taught me to hate them-i never felt this way before 9/11-now im with all the extremist lgf'ers-take the gloves off israel-defend your countryand its citizens-world opinion be damned-defend yourselves!!

What possible damned thing is there left to say? My heart is wrung dry for those poor brave people.

Since this was a hospital family that was murdered, it might be interesting to read this Larry Miller article, "It Gets Hard When They Cheer", about his visit to an Israeli emergency room this time last year.

He who takes one life takes the world. This good and noble man is gone, his daughter is gone, worlds are shattered forever.

Fucking barbarians.

I despise them, I curse them, I hate them, I wish them nothing but pain and excruciating suffering in hell.

Fucking barbarians.

Wonder what the stories will be behind the lives of the next batch of victims. Needless to say, many of us are quite fond of various people living in Israel right now.

In more detached moments, I wonder what this is doing to the psyches and behavior of your average strong, brave Israeli. Most people don't live through sustained, credible threats on their lives, and those of their loved ones, without being changed in the process. Surely most of us are aware of this in many war veterans.

But at least a soldier has recourse. He can act, is even expected to. What happens to human beings expected to take no action when there is a constant threat to their lives, and those of their loved ones? Speed-dialing to say "You still alive?" Children who are brought up to believe that being blasted to bits is just part of normal life? This is absolutely horrible.

There's more harm being inflicted on Israelis than simply the murdered, maimed and mourning.

#19- im speechless--"out" of stuff???????? damn-now im tearing up again- thx for the link, i think

Hmm where is Bigel? If Israel is serious about destroying Hamas it needs to bomb the funeral and kill the supporters. Israel needs to take a leaf out of the Michael Stone book on how to defeat terrorism. The IRA was defeated when the Loyalists "outkilled" the IRA in the 90s and forced them to the table.

#17 lehava:
I know that's the prescribed response but I cannot for the life of me bring myself to say it in this case.

Just under two years ago I was talking to a woman who worked for my client (a very large organization). She was a very devout Christian and I'd struck up a friendship with her. In fact, she'd come to my daughter's bat mitzvah a couple of years earlier, when I was on another project for the same company.

As we were discussing the horrible events of 9-11 and the ongoing intifada she said something like, "God will provide the solution."

She looked quite horrified when I retorted, "Well, right now he's doing a piss-poor job of it."

#21- agree totally- but i also have to believe that God, the higher power,creator-whatever you want to call her also gives them a greater 'spirit"-dont know how else to put it- they endure and survive and will be closer to that higher power when all is said and done- they have been tested in this life and will reap great rewards-

....babies, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, lovers, husbands, wives, children grandparents,
uncles, aunts and friends. All people with dreams of peace, happiness and long life. And think of the beautiful innocence of tiny babies and young children and how perfectly and simply they look at the world. Think of how they trust. Yet now it matters little for in the end those tiny bodies blown to bits, burned beyond recognition are gone from this world.

There are ophans and widows and children begging to be held! The fathers and mothers and brothers and sisters and dear friends are gone so have the grandparents and not because of old age. One by one, they are gone.
It makes me sick.

A weeping mother cries out at the grave of her tiny infant

How can such a vile and unjustified war be waged against innocent Jews AGAIN and no one saves us ??

The tears never end for those left behind. The scars are embedded so deeply they never go away.

Silence is deadly. Please for all that remember and all who long to hold and can not, PLEASE DO NOT BE SILENT.

#24 cba

What comfort can there be if one cannot believe that there is a higher purpose or reason that we earthly mortals cannot yet fathom for these horrible, senseless tragedies?

Now, now Maccabee. Let's rise above that.

Death to the bad Arabs.

MGlazer:

"When someone tells you he's going to kill you, you pay attention, you take him seriously, you believe him.

You wake up earlier the next morning and you kill him."

Absolutely right on. If more people thought like us, the MEMRI translations of the Genocide being preached at Islam HQ in Mecca and Medina would be a big story in the major media. Apart from MEMRI itself, it's only being covered here on this weblog.

Lehava,
I think cba's point is not how to cope with these horrible tragedies. I think his point is to not stand back and say, "God will provide". We should instead yell, "God help us!" as we charge the battlefield, defending ourselves and our children.

OT: interesting article in the times about the Effect of Post Saddam Iraq on the ME.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

Glorified and sanctified be God's great name throughout the world which He has created according to His will. May He establish His kingdom in your lifetime and during your days, and within the life of the entire House of Israel, speedily and soon; and say, Amen.

May His great name be blessed forever and to all eternity.

Blessed and praised, glorified and exalted, extolled and honored, adored and lauded be the name of the Holy One, blessed be He, beyond all the blessings and hymns, praises and consolations that are ever spoken in the world; and say, Amen.

May there be abundant peace from heaven, and life, for us
and for all Israel; and say, Amen.

He who creates peace in His celestial heights, may He create peace for us and for all Israel; and say, Amen.

OT: Looks like Buster in California gets a appropriate endorsment. The creep.

[Link: www.cnsnews.com...]

#28 lehava:
Sorry, thinking "God planned it" just makes me pissed off with God.

If it comforts you, great. Right now I will quote the teaching of Rabbi Shimon Ben Elazar (Pirkei Avot VI, 24):

Do not pacify your friend when his anger is raging;
Do not comfort him when his dead lies before him...

And I'm allowed to be pissed off with God... I'm sure he can handle it.

If this sort of thing is Gods Will, Far better to Reign in Hell.

Remember, in the book of Joseph, our LORD clearly laid out the borders of Israel. He does not lie. He will keep His promise. If I remember correctly, there was land East of the Jordan, but mainly it was (and IS) from Dan to Beersheeba, from the Jordan to the sea. Israel will be restored. (of course, He has brought up mighty warriors in the past, and He will do it again).

I wonder how many palistinians the noble doctor treated. My god these people suck! Carpet bomb the west bank and gaza tonight! Send arafat to hell to see mohammed then nuke iran for good measure. Fu*k france, germany, and the un.

(I will never capitalize the first letter of anything to do with pisslam again. That shows far too much respect for these scumbags.)

And God helps those who help themselves.

I'm sure you remember the long story about the guy who was being flooded out of his house but refused to be evacuated by the canoe, the rowboat, and the helicopter that came to help him as the waters rose higher and higher.

Finally he drowned. When he got to heaven he said to God, "Where were you? I trusted in you and you let me drown!"

"Hey," said God, "I sent a canoe, a rowboat, and a helicopter. What more did you want?"

Dennis Miller on Leno now.

Photo of the cafe

[Link: www.zioneocon.blogspot.com...]

Doss,

What did he say?

Don't blame god, blame:

arafat, france, germany, all arab countries especially the saudis, most of the rest of europe, the lll, mohammed, you get the picture....

I seems satan has a large but stupid army.

#31 Yishai, #48 cba

I am not preaching about how to cope. I myself have coped in the past by believing that there is a higher purpose. But believing does not preclude taking action. The only solution for Israel is to declare war on Palestinian terrorists, bomb them to oblivion and to hell what the rest of the world thinks.

If it's true that he was an American from Cleveland, he would hardly be the first American citizen murdered by Hamas. Hopefully this time America will respond to Hamas murdering Americans. They've been doing it for fucking long enough, and it's hightime some F-16s piloted by Americans hit some Gaza strongholds. Any other terrorist group kills Americans, they get hit back by America. But nothing ever happens to Hamas, no matter how many dead Americans they claim. How many Americans does Hamas have to murder before we go after them?

omg d- i cant believe you said that- are american lives more valuable than israeli lives??? please tell me i read that wrong

#19 The Sanity Inspector

I had to say it. You're incredible. You take everyone, you treat everyone, no one goes first, no one goes last, you just go in order of who needs help. That's, like, Mother Teresa stuff. "We're not saints, we're just doing our jobs. It's not easy, I admit. And it gets hard when they cheer when the bodies are brought in." I looked at her. What did you say? She sighed. "Yes, it gets hard when they cheer."

I'm speechless at that.

When the Children of Israel claimed the land of Caanan, they had to fight for it. He commanded them to take and destroy the evil that was there. They didn't quite finish the job then, but they will, (and let's do everything in our power to make it happen).

Just googled it: he was indeed from Cleveland.

[Link: www.israelnn.com...]

fDr. David Appelbaum, 50, a resident of the Rechavia neighborhood of the capital, was killed along with his daughter Nava, 20, who was scheduled to be married tonight in Kibbutz Ramat Rachel. Her fianc?e Chanan collapsed in the emergency room of Shaare Zedek upon hearing the news -- his bride-to-be had been killed in the horrific attack.

Appelbaum arrived in Israel over 20 years ago from Cleveland. He served as a medical director of Magen David Adom in Jerusalem, as well as working in Shaare Zedek. Over the years, seeing the need to advance emergency care, he founded and directed the TEREM private out-of-hospital emergency clinics and returned to Shaare Zedek as the director of the emergency department. Shock waves filled the emergency room last night as the word spread. Dr. Appelbaum would not be responding to his pager this time… he was one of the victims.

When will the United States strike back at Hamas for killing innocent Americans?

#43 M Glazer
He spoke in support of Arnold in CA, ragged on the nine dwarves, tore into the Clintons. The one weird thing was when he called Gray Davis a "good man, but bad govenor."
He was funny as always. I needed a laugh after all the grief in the news.

when will the WORLD strike back at hamas for killing innocent people of any nationality?

#51 Doss

I liked when he said Robert Byrd is "burning the cross at both ends".

#43 M Glazer
Miller"
On the Clintons: I've never seen a marriage more of convenience. I mean, if it seems like they ought to have a Slim Jim rack and a Slurpee machine at the base of the bed
On Gephardt: He's translucent.
On Hillary: I mean she never misses a chance to bash Bush. Never misses a trick. Well, at least, the only trick she misses is the one sleeping with her husband at the time.

please dont give away anymore of millers quotes-here in colorado, mst, its just coming on-

#53 Tasty Beverage
Yeah, that was a good 'un. "So what are we gonna do about grandpa, ya'll?" LOL

Sorry, Yishai. No way to tell the difference at this point.

When we start killing them with no mercy, they will stop killing us.

After that, we can try to figure out who the "good" Arabs are, if there are any.

I do not advocate indiscriminate slaughter. However, total war must be declared on them and it must be prosecuted with the utmost vigor until they either leave or surrender unconditionally.

The first thing to do is to kill Arafat in his rathole and work down from there. No more IDF soldiers getting killed trying to "arrest" anyone. Send in the planes and tanks and let'em have it. Be sure to leave the bridges over the Jordan open so Abdullah can worry about his new citizens.

Nothing else will do.

It is time for these barbatric people to start looking for homes elsewhere. Enough is enough.

All Arabs out of Judea and Samaria. not another drop of Jewish blood should be shed to appeaser the European anti-Semites.

Time to give the Arabs their eviction orders. Move out immediately, your tenancy is no longer wanted. these are evil people who should be given no more concessions.

I will provide the road map OUT! Let these Jew killers rot in hell.

#47- I'm not saying anything of the sort. Perhaps I posted too quickly, in anger and in haste. I'm just sick of Hamas never having to face any consequences from the US for murdering American citizens. If one tenth as many Americans had been accidentally killed in Israeli military operations as have been killed by Palestinian terrorists, there would be hell to pay, not the indifference that has greeted Americans murdered at the hands of Hamas over the years. How long until the US takes action against these terrorists just like we've taken action against other terrorists? Frankly, I'm sick of seeing innocent Americans--including children, for fuck's sake--killed in Israel by Palestinian terrorist and our government not doing a damned thing to stop it or respond to the terrorist groups doing it.

And that Americans have been killed is just the tip of the anger I feel about this. That Americans have been killed is but one aspect of many that angers me, and I'm not drawing any distinction between the nationalities of the victims. I'm just pissed that the US never even makes a slap or a threat at Hamas. They've murdered any number of Americans over the years--children, college students, etc. and today a doctor--and not once have they faced an American response that was anything stronger than a few words. What they must think of us.

#52 mikeymom

when will the WORLD strike back at hamas for killing innocent people of any nationality?

WORLD? Likely, never. Israel? When they get angry enough and sincerely desire to execute stictest justice upon them, their ilk and their helpers.

Actually, I think just striking is a bad idea. Methodically exterminating, root and branch, to the last sick creature, all terrorists, their sympathisers, supporters, enablers, etc. is far more appropriate. And far more deterring.

My apologies to any sick creatures offended by this invidious comparison.

I caught myself saying to myself after these bombings, "At least there weren't any babies killed". I was very wrong. Those 19 and 20 year old kids are babies. They and all the other sons and daughters who were killed will always be babies in their mother's and father's eyes.

It is a sorry state of affairs.

This is what I want to see happen. Sharon take notes.

I want every leader of every one of these murdering groups killed at one time. Within one hour, I want F-15's and F-16's bombing the houses where each coward leader hides behind innocents. I want every single one of these guys dead. at once.

There used to be a time when Israel exhuded prescence, a time when Israel stood up and said, "Don't fuck with us".
And they listened. They all listened.

I want that back right now. I want the days of pride and justice, the days of brotherhood and togetherness, the days when they were afraid...afraid to fuck with us.

My deepest sympathies for those Israelis affected by the murderous attacks yoday. Stay strong.

btw, great site, I stop by every day

BigStar
An American who supports Israel

Last year in the Blogathon, while I was blogging for Magen David Adom, Meryl Yourish was blogging for Sha'are Zedek.

Tonight's events fill me with unspeakable horror, sadness, and rage.

...so, there sits Israel..

condemned by the UN, the EU, the OIC, the Red Cross, AI and every single NGO in the world. Everyone except Mauritania and Togo, and beholden and controlled by her only ally...

Surrounded by 300,000,000 psychotic murderers

fighting boycotts and disinvestment campaigns

being denied replacement materiel to defend herself, by England and other EU countries

how much damage do you think Israel would be allowed to inflict on these fucking murdering dregs, before the world comes down hard?

again!

An old Army saying: "Kill them all but six and keep them for pallbearers." I can't think of anything more appropriate for thos murdering bastards.

ploome: Israel will not go without food, money, or military hardware. The US citizens will see to that, especially during an election cycle. We'll have Congress and the president competing over who will do the most for her, push just needs to come to shove.

Now, with those needs met, I don't see the downside when compared to Jews slaughtered in their own streets. Again and again.

European and Arab states are just toadies. They like to talk tough and maybe get a hit in when they think they've cornered someone who will not or cannot fight back. Bloody the bully's nose (PLO) and they back off in awe and respect.

I guess they look at Israel as weak as they don't do enough to defend themselves. We are still to dumb in the west to stop muslims immigration. Look at how some greedy business owners in Israel hire in 3000 Palestinians after this. Israel should bomb the next Hamas funeral and the next believe me - that would be the end of Hamas - a few 1000 dead. People in the rest of the world won't care....trust me. Israel needs to adopt Michael Stone tactics.

66 Model4

did you hear Pat Buchanan on IMUS this morning.?

repeating his skanky world view, and Imus mostly agreeing.?

So sad. Words cannot express the depth of our sorrow for the family; a double tragedy and for the groom's family as well. G*d be with them now in their hour of need.

I believe that Israel represents everything good and bright and shining in the Middle East. Maybe one day not so far away, Iraq will begin to look like that--bright and shining and industrious, with universities and eager students criss-crossing the streets on their way to and from classes and a hum of prosperous activity on the streets. And then there will be TWO spots of brightness, shining in the Middle East.

Someone said once that the best way to lead is by example and that's what Israel is, a bright shining example which those who are tied to despotism, fanatacism, fascism, violence and hatred fear. They fear that bright shining attractive example of how to live and work and be happy and that's why they do things like was done today and that's how this could happen.

But there is hope: that those who did this are not winning and in fact that Israel and the US and Britain in Iraq are changing things. Earlier in this thread someone gave a link to a NYPost article dated Sept. 8/03 entitled "The Iraq Effect" which sets forth the changes already occurring in the countries around Iraq which are beginning to notice a relaxation of some of the rigidness of their government; Syria, for one, has made some huge changes.

When bombers are blowing things up and we are either overwhelmed with grief and couldn't care less or are so angry we don't know where to start lashing out, it may help a little to realize that in fact, like a summer cold, or a rash, or perhaps a smile--the freedoms each everyday citizen in Iraq is beginning to feel, everyday now, is making its awareness felt in the countries surrounding Iraq and now those freedoms are looking very attractive, indeed, to some in, say, Iran. Over 200 mullahs have left the Qom area, noted for its prominence in Shiism, and have moved to Najaf in Iraq. Among them the grandson of the former Ayotollah Ruhullah Khomeini. The grandson, known as Hussain Khomeini said: "I have decided to leave Iran and settle in Iraq where the Americans have created a space of freedom."

So much for Holy Islam--let a little American-style freedom appear like a mirage in a sand dune and even the Ayotollah's grandson hares off through the sand dunes looking for a piece of the Holy Grail. Freedom! And Israel has freedom too.

That's why Arafat is doomed and he knows it. It won't be long now before the whole Middle East will want a little of what Iraq has--ordinary freedom to walk down the street and be able to look where one chooses to look. To see--to think--to be free.

God Bless Israel tonight!

There isn't really anything to say, that hasn't already been said. It's just indescribably sad, to think of that girls fiancee having to find out the news.
I know that if my girlfriend were killed the day we were supposed to be married, night before (hell, anytime)...I just honestly don't know what I would do. I would be so consumed with rage at the people who had done this, I'd most likely do something stupid. And as useless and self-destructive as that would be, I'm inclined to think it'd be better than doing nothing at all.

How is Arafat's "compound" not a mere memory by this point? Does the Israeli leadership really think the situation could be any worse with him gone? To even pay a moments thought to the idea that his presence somehow restrains the murderous filth that commit these actions is beyond idiocy.

My heart goes out to all the people of Israel. It's amazing to me how you can carry on sometimes.

Elizabeth (#69)

What a wonderful, heartfelt expression of grief and hope!

Jamie Irons

Elizabeth #69. So eloquent. Thank you for the optimism as well.

My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families.

Woke up to NPR news this morning (yep, my mistake), lead story was Israeli warplanes had struck Gaza City, injuring 20. Buried 30 seconds later in the story was the report of the two suicide bombings.

Idiots. Not even USEFUL idiots, just idiots. My tax $ at work.

Imus is a friend of Israel's. Of this I am sure.

As for Buchanan, he is an Arab conspiracy buff in Paleoconservative clothing.

Anything and everything that befalls this planet, whether it's uncommon storm patterns over Nebraska's corn fields all the way to the Bali 'mini-nuke' blast, teh Mossad and by extension, the Jews, have a tenticle in the event.

Enough said.

Woke up to NPR news this morning (yep, my mistake), lead story was Israeli warplanes had struck Gaza City, injuring 20. Buried 30 seconds later in the story was the report of the two suicide bombings.

Made the same mistake myself. Also, NPR's lead feature was on research into the most effective weight loss techniques. How narcissistic. I guess two genocide bombings are what NPR considers a "slow news day."

Even more sickening. NPR is doing a well-long feature, tied to 9-11, on how artists deal with 9-11 and "other cataclysmic events." This morning, in the context of 9-11, they spent ten minutes talking with Kurt Vonnegut about the horrors of the firebombing of Dresden in WW2.

9-11 = Dresden. See, what happened to us was no worse than what the allies did in WW2. It's Karma, dude.

Also, saw the PBS specials on 9-11 last night. What previous lizard noted was true. One special treated the planes as though they had somehow malfunctioned and coincidentally hit the towers. The other covered the military alerts after the attack, but gave barely a mention of who was behind the attacks or what motivated them, until the end, when Osama bin Laden's name was mentioned--- but not any Islamic context.

My sincerest condolences to the families and friends of those killed

This may be a bit off topic ( although one of the attacks occured at Hillel café). The mulsim students group at Concordia university offered a peace basket to the Hillel students association yesterday. It contained the following : copies of the Koran, a selection of delicious dates and pamphlets explaining the basic tenents of Islam! Wow,with an attitude like that how long do you think the peace is going to last? The Hillel students held a BBQ....open to everyone.

I suggest that the next time round ( and there will be a next time)the Hillel students chuck the charcoal and offer up a selection of works by Ibn Warreq,(excuse spelling) Orianna Fallaci etc

how much can you cry? i cant work today or concentrate.... new all day is talking about the funerals happening here in Jerusalem.. days after an attack, you wake up in a fog, a pall... feel extra clingy with my kids, who when they heard the news this morning( we had to tell them before they heard it at school) turned white, asked where it happened, looked very upset, and than acted extremely silly and giggly till we arrived at school, kids coping with horror.
this mornings news said that the soldiers hitching posts were almost empty,, a lot of parents taking kids to their army bases etc..Israel is the only country that drafts women,, little 18 year old girls never forgot,, to the world , they are big bad faceless soldiers,, to us, they are our precious flowers, our children.
Israel army radio reporting as i speak, 3 funerals are taking place... somehow you find the strength to go on, but its hard.. we will go by the place were the Hillel stood tonight and leave a memorial candle.

lizzy--hang in there and know we are all with you in spirit. I'm sending you strength; may God send you comfort.

re Buchanan:

At one time (w-a-a-a-y back in the past), I used to like Buchanan, because he was a confrontative conservative. But then he started morphing into this paranoic anti-Semite. IIRC, it was his "Israel amen corner" comment that flipped me. (And to my disgust, some of my friends stayed with him and amen'ed his comments. Yuck.)

So to think of him on MSNBC with Bill Press is hysterical - two people whose opinions I find completely distasteful, Buchanan for his anti-Semitism, and Bill Press for his general hatred of All Things Bush.

Re: Israel and the latest from the "Palestinians" - at some point, it will be too much too bear and Israel will eliminate their enemy. How much longer? I am not calling for the death of "Palestinian" civilians. I am calling for the elimination of Israel's enemies. I am not specifying what that means, but it seems that the Sudentenland solution/Elon plan might be the best way.

Maybe we should start a "Suitcases for Palestine" movement, where we would collect money for purchasing suitcases to be given to the "Palestinians" to pack up and return back to their homelands in Egypt and Jordan, two EXISTING Arab countries.

I can only think of the would-be groom. He has to bury the love of his life on the day of their wedding. To go from such a high to such pain so quickly is almost impossible to comprehend. Human nature is not to expect bad things to happen on our best days. Each murder brings terrible pain to the survivors, but to go through this must be to discover yet a new level of hell, one that I personally don't think that I could live with.

As for Dr. Glick, his death at the hands of this scum goes beyond the human tradgedy, as horrible as that is. It underscores the very nature of this war. To achieve his position as head of the ER must have required years of intense study, inhuman work hours and a total dedication to his craft. In addition, it required the accumulated work of untold predecesors whose efforts created the knowledge from which Dr. Glick and his patients were able to benefit. All this work, achievement and dedication were wiped out by an animal who could never begin to fathom, much less duplicate the greatness of his victim. And lest we forget, Dr. Glick was only one of the many victims yesteray. That is what we deal with today. Those that can cannot even subsist by their own effort randomly destroying those that support the world on their shoulders. The philosphical implications of this are ghastly.

Most hearfelt condolences go out to all the victims and their families.

Hate Hamas, be angry at the animals who do this, but remember, Israel has a duty and the means to stop these pogroms.

Terrorism has become "tolerable" to Israel's elected leaders. It is time to either elect new leadership who has the will to stop this, or to take this as your penance for being Jews.

I do not absolve the paleo-nazis for their evil, but one who is capable of stopping it and doesn't ultimately must bear responsibility. Sharon your country needs the old Arik.

Several minutes later, they received more terrible news: with Appelbaum was his 20-year-old daughter, Nava, who had been due to get married that evening.

Has a Jewish women been murdered on her wedding day by genocidal maniacs in 60 years?

Words cannot describe...

I don't really know how anyone can describe Pat Buchanan as a conservative anymore. He now opposes free trade, ran for President with a Communist running mate, and is basically a crank that makes Lyndon LaRouche look like an elder statesman.

I remember my wedding day, I was scared silly. I can't imagine losing your bride on the wedding day.

The bombing of the Hamas-nik's house was a good start. These people seem to have satanic protection, but it was a good start. But only a start. It is easier to seek forgiveness than get permission. Kill Arafat now, "apologize" later ( as if an apology were needed to execute a war criminal).

I hope it doesn't offend any Jews, but I prayed 9 as a Christian) this morning that God would give comfort to the wounded and the relatives of the dead. I prayed that God would always watch over and protect the first people His truth was revealed to.

#16 Doss:

I am sorry to sound so pedestrian, but are you Jewish? I mean are there really non-Jews out there who totally get it and see the connection between Arab barbarity, anti-Semitism and the Holocaust? I know there are, but where is the Christian clergy to speak out and say, "Folks, we've been down this path before, we know where "Death to the Jews" leads."

I've never felt so alone as during the past three years. But at least Israel has signed some pact with India, the world's second most populous country and will eventually join the EU (as much a I despise them). These things put the Muslim world on notice that Israel's isolation is easing. Plus, I loved the IAF flyby over Auschwitz. Can you imagine the assholes saying it wasnt' "appropriate." As if anything in connection with Auschwitz is appropriate.
People should be screaming their heads off there, as the victims were, and expressing rage!

Anger is better than depression, I think.

Here is Naava and Chanan's wedding invitation:

[Link: www.a7.org...]

#84 Psychobarb

I mean are there really non-Jews out there who totally get it and see the connection between Arab barbarity, anti-Semitism and the Holocaust?

Yes, there are, even in France.

Irael it's time to weed your garden. Bury your dead, and then get busy.

#69 Elizabeth
Thank you for a beautiful post.
It was almost lyrical in it's praises of a country I've never even visited but which calls out to me to "Come home.".

You said
"I believe that Israel represents everything good and bright and shining in the Middle East. Maybe one day not so far away, Iraq will begin to look like that--bright and shining and industrious, with universities and eager students criss-crossing the streets on their way to and from classes and a hum of prosperous activity on the streets. And then there will be TWO spots of brightness, shining in the Middle East.

Someone said once that the best way to lead is by example and that's what Israel is, a bright shining example which those who are tied to despotism, fanatacism, fascism, violence and hatred fear. They fear that bright shining attractive example of how to live and work and be happy and that's why they do things like was done today and that's how this could happen."
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You touched on something I've been repeating until I'm sick of saying it: This isn't a war against "palestinians". They are just the lead pack of killer dogs, bred, nurtured & trained for the express purpose of driving Israelis out of their land. The real enemy of Israel AND America, insofar as they represent the last best hope of freedom, is the coterie of tyrants who rule the rest of the ME. They know that the continued existence of Israel in their midst is an intolerable affront to their feudal dictatorships.

It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. This is not the time to look for a quick, easy end to murder & bloodshed nor is it a time to despair. We are in a war which pits everything we treasure against a force given over to consummate Evil. Time to gird our loins, don our shields & grit our teeth.
As Churchill said to a graduating military academy class,
"Never, Never, Never, Never give up!".

Eretz Israel L'Am Israel!

#84 Psychobarb
" I mean are there really non-Jews out there who totally get it and see the connection between Arab barbarity, anti-Semitism and the Holocaust?"

I'm smiling ruefully.
Yes, we're here. Some of us have been waging this war for decades, trying to wake people up, gnashing our teeth at the complacent ignorance of those who kept sighing that "It can't happen again.". We've been dismissed even by Jews we tried to awaken & called "alarmists" & "extremists". We've been privvy to the vile words of Jew-haters who thought that we'd be eager participants in their slander simply because we aren't Jews. Responding appropriately to such libel has resulted in my being called a Jew-lover. Some insult, huh? I wear it like a medal!

Forget about hearing support from the mainline churches. They're largely infected unto death by the Ecumenists & World Council of Churches. Here & there, now & then, you will hear truth from a few pulpits. The Nazarene church in my town proudly displays the Blue & White flag of Israel, as well as a shofar, a seder plate, a kiddush cup, a Channukia and a few other items of Judaica.

Sadly, there is a bit of understandable reluctance & mistrust on the part of many Jews to completely accept us for what we say we are. Who can blame them if you've read your History.
It's okay! We understand. Hell, we AGREE!

But, Yes, we are here. And we're not going away.
You are not alone.

#84 Psychobarb
No, I'm not Jewish. I'm just someone who remembers learning about the Holocaust as a kid and wondering just what kind of people could be so vicious and cruel to harm others like this. The more history I read, the more I learned of the crazed persecution of the Jews through history. I also learned of the Jewish love of learning, fairness, and family, and their success in the face of what would be overwhelming odds for any other than this special group of people. I've gotten a little smarter as I've gotten to my thirties, but I'm just as shocked at the hatred of the Jews as I was when I was a little kid reading Anne Frank's diary. I used to think that, after the Holocaust, the world had seen inhumanity on such a repulsive scale and in such vivid, recorded detail that such madness wouldn't be repeated. I was pretty naive.

The terms homicide bomber or suicide bomber just don't accurately desribe the arab fascination with blowing themselves up amongst a crowd full of a particular religions members. Shouldn't the term be refined? "Jewicide Bomber" is a more precisely descriptive term. We had to invent a new language for the actions of the nazis, perhaps we should just refer to these murderous acts as the palestinians "special treatment" of the Jews.

#84 Psychobarb
I should also add that it better to have a few stalwart friends that a bunch of phonies.We're with you!

What we went through on 9/11, Israel has had to deal with every single day of their existence. Diplomacy doesn't work. Treating the terrorists like they are fellow human beings can't work. The only message they understand is violence and killing, so let's give it to them loud & clear, Kofi Annan's condemnations notwithstanding.

Ed, I can't imagine any Jews being offended by your prayers. Thank you.

Alon Mizrachi, the security guard killed as he prevented the bomber from entering the cafe and inflicting even more fatalities, is a hero.

My heart is broken for Chanan Sand, Nava's fiance.

I can't hear the name of Cafe Hillel without thinking of one of the famous lines of its namesake as a directive to Sharon and the IDF:

IF NOT NOW, WHEN???!!!

from Yitzhak Frankenthal

Hillel Cafe
       
       It is now 11:59 PM, half an hour after the suicide bombing at Hillel Cafe.
       
       Just the night before, my wife and I and two of our friends were sitting at the Cafe until around 11:40 PM. The place was packed.
       
       I can now hear the sirens of the ambulances racing through the streets of Jerusalem. I cannot get the images out of my head; images of severed arms, decapitated heads, people with nails and pieces or iron stuck in their bodies, broken tables, the cake and sandwich bar shattered into thousands of pieces. What happened to the sweet waitress who was serving us? What happened to the young bus boy? We were sitting in the middle of the room; all those people came there for a good time and were carried out in coffins. Is the high ceiling still in place? The glass wall shattered into millions of shards, covering body parts and swimming in the blood that spilled on the floor like water. Shema Israel, hear O Israel, we pray — but Israel is not listening.
       
       And I feel empty inside, asking myself which of my friends and neighbors were at the Cafe today? I am thinking about the people holding their coffee cups when the bomb went off, and how they were lucky if the shatters only got in their eyes and did not kill them. I think of the man biting into his sandwich not knowing that this would be his last bite ever; about the piles of human bodies flying in the air into one another; about the severed arm thrust into the young woman still seated at her table, but she feels nothing — she is either in shock or simply dead. I see how tables are blown by the blast, hitting the guests, and how in the fireball human flesh mixes with freshly-served cheese; and the smell, the smell of explosives and burnt human flesh blending into one; and the quiet after the blast, and the cries of pain and shock, the shock that comes after the quiet. I think of the victory that the Chief of Staff has announced two months ago, saying we have beaten the Palestinians, and I my heart weep: how could my chief of staff be such a fool? I think of the folly of the politicians who are leading us from one catastrophe to the next, and I think about how the people keep silent. Has everyone forgotten? Adonai eloheinu — the Lord is our God, not Greater Israel.
       
       I know the painful truth. The body count will continue, because our political leaders are petty little people. So full of themselves, they are clueless about conflict resolution; they slay Palestinians and expect them to exercise restraint. These wise men believe that the occupation can continue; these glorious generals have for there years now been “letting the IDF win,” as the slogan goes; they may be seasoned soldiers, but they are absolutely ignorant in conflict resolution. They believe that by using terror to counter terror they can give us security. They believe that they can devastate the infrastructure of Palestinian leadership and government and at the same time stop militias from wreaking chaos. They have for two years now been pronouncing Arafat “irrelevant”, but what does that make of former defense minister Binyamin (Fuad) Ben-Eliezer, of former prime minister Ehud Barak and of the incumbent, Ariel Sharon? Are they any more relevant than he? How long will it take us to wake up from this ongoing folly? How many more body bags will it take? Adonai ehad — God is the only unshakeable truth, not any political creed.
       
       The beauty of Israel is slain upon the Messianic pipedream — how long shall the petty leaders of this nation triumph? It is now the morning after, and I have just learned that Dr. Appelboim was killed, along with his daughter who was to get married tonight. I knew this wonderful, special man. My heart bleeds for him; it was only two months ago that we had a chat and even argued over my political views. How painful and despairing it is to see more blood being shed in vain. The young bride, excited to start a family with her betrothed, is forever married in a blood wedding to her father. They will lie side by side, as the silence of all eternity quashes the joyful sounds of the wedding that will never be. Shema Israel, yitgadal, veyitkadash sheme raba — hear O Israel, exalted and sanctified be the name of the great Sovereign — these are the words of the Kaddish, the Jewish prayer recited over every freshly-dug grave. Shame on you, leaders of the nations.
       

Zaide -

Thank you. It is hard for Jews to trust others, given our history, but you are the real thing. Good to know you and others like you are out there.

Ralph Kramden -

That seems to be an anti-Zionist screed to me, though I could be wrong about that. Who is Yitzchak Frankenthal?

I think about how many Arabs Dr. Applebaum saved at Sha'are Zedek. And that he didn't give a rat's ass who his patients were while he was busy trying to save their lives.

This is the ultimate evil - to kill indiscriminately and to destroy those whose lives were dedicated to doing good.

My father was a doctor, and he had the same dedication to saving lives. He considered medicine to be an art as much as a profession. His patients cried when he retired.

A special kind of person is drawn to medicine - a person who cares for others, a person who needs to alleviate human suffering.

What did this Arab fool accomplish? He snuffed out the life of a life-giver and of his daughter, who had a right to live her life, and of all of the others who died.

Dayenu.

I'm from Cleveland. I knew Dr. Applebaum for a very short while before he and his family made aliyah...I was a grade ahead of his wife throughout day school...my wife was treated by Dr. Applebaum in a Cleveland emergency room on one of his many working trips to Cleveland...and I know Mrs. Applebaum's extended family here.

There's not too much to say today; morning prayers were very hard to pray without tears.

Hashem yikom dammam.

I live within easy walking distance of the Hillel Cafe. I heard the blast last night, and then the sirens and the cars honking their horns. And all I could think was: Oh, God, no, please, not again.

And now to hear about the dead, especially Dr. Appelbaum and his daughter Nava, who was to be married this evening -- it breaks my heart.

God! How much longer?

When are we going to stand up and defend ourselves?

Solidarity Rally—We Stand With Israel

As a relentless wave of terrorism continues against our brothers and sisters in Israel, join Amcha – The Coalition for Jewish Concerns as we stand with Israel in her great time of need

Sunday, September 14th
10:30 am
The Israeli Mission to the UN
800 Second Avenue
(between 42nd & 43rd Streets)
New York City

The Jews of Israel need us

Amy - Yitchak is an Israeli Jew whose son Arik was kidnapped and murdered by Hamas. I think he has given enough to the state of Israel so that he might not be labeled "anti-Zionist". I think he is worthy of respect and his words deserve to be heard.

Ralph Kramden -

There are many ultra-religious, anti-Zionist Jews living in Israel - they don't recognize the State of Israel, they don't speak Hebrew except when they pray (they speak Yiddish as their everyday language), etc. I saw many of them in Bnei Brak years ago when I was there. As Yitzhak himself said, he and Dr. Appelbaum used to argue about politics.

My saying that he's anti-Zionist was a statement of fact, based upon his own statements. That doesn't mean that I disrespect him as a person, although I'm a rabid Zionist myself.

83 Ed Moran

Bless you Ed Mornasky..

85 James

Was this invitation online.?

I am sorry to spoil all of the heartfelt sentiment which has been expressed in this thread...

Can you believe today's ?NYT's actually printed an article praising Dr. Applebaum and his daughter?

The appearance of this article almost led me to believe that the folks at the NYT's have a heart afterall - then reality struck when I read the lunacy of Friedman and realized that nothing has changed.

Amy, I certainly won't argue with your own characterization of yourself.

I don't see why you characterize Mr. Frankenthal's views as anti-Zionist. Just because he has a different vision of Israel's future as yours doesn't mean he's anti-Israel.

This is an email from my cousin.

For non-hebrew speakers, Levaya is funeral, Kvura is burial, Halacha is Jewish law, and Sheva Brachos are the seven blessings given to newlyweds.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mayer Kovacs"
To: "Malcolm Kovacs"
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 4:09 PM

> Dear Ta, emos"h, Hi. How is it going? Unfortunately I have bad news. A good friend of mine from KBY's father and sister were murdered last night in the Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem. The father was a very famous doctor who directed the Emergency Room at Sharei Tzedek hospital, and who was a big Talmid Chacham and Musmach of Rav Ahron Soloveitchik, ZT"L. I saw him a few times last year because he came to learn with his son, Yitzchok, every week. He also taught Halacha at Midreshet Moriah. He was a big Tzaddik. His 20 year old daughter, Nava, who was supposed to be married tonight, was also murdered in the blast. Yitzchok and I walked around the Kibbutz on sunday night and we spoke for about an hour. He asked me what I thought about his D'var Torah he was to give for his sister's Sheva Brachos. I told you that I had some fears when I spoke to you last night that I was afraid I knew someone in the bombing. My worst fears came true when this morning I woke up to a text message from a friend to go to his room immedietly. That's when I found out the news. At the Levaya It was very emotional. The Grandfather spoke very strongly about Dr.Applebaum's balance between his love of Torah and his desire to save Jewish lives. He also what to do now that Dr.Applebaum and his daughter are no longer. He said the importance of supporting everyone in the family, and they would have his full support. We should just appreciate that thank G-d we have a family and we shouldn't take that for granted. Next Rav Lau spoke ver nicely and mentioned that instead of Dr. Applebaum escorting his daughter to the Chupa, he is lying next to her to be buried in the Holy city of Jerusalem. It was very emotional. Yitzchok and his brother also spoke, as did a colleague from Sharei Tzedek. The burial at Har HaMenuchot was also packed with around 2,000 present. I was pretty close to the Kvura, and after they placed in the bodies into the ground, I was able to move closer, and I took some stones and spread them around the graves. It was a big zchus to take part in such a huge Mitza in escorting the dead, especially since they were martyrs who died "Al Kidush Hashem" who are now in Gan Eden. Of course it was very hard for the family, and the sisters/daughters were trembling. After the Levayah I saw Yitzchok and nodded to him and he nodded back. May G-d Avenge their deaths and us only comfort.
Love,
Mayer