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The Falling Man

Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 9:33:54 am PDT

Esquire has finally put online Tom Junod’s powerfully affecting story of his attempt to identify one of the men who made the awful, final decision to jump from the doomed World Trade Center. This is a must-read article, on a subject that our media has shamefully, cravenly avoided: The Falling Man. (Hat tip: Steve B.)

Bear witness. The people who made this terrible choice on September 11, 2001 must not be forgotten.

In the picture, he departs from this earth like an arrow. Although he has not chosen his fate, he appears to have, in his last instants of life, embraced it. If he were not falling, he might very well be flying. He appears relaxed, hurtling through the air. He appears comfortable in the grip of unimaginable motion. He does not appear intimidated by gravity's divine suction or by what awaits him. His arms are by his side, only slightly outriggered. His left leg is bent at the knee, almost casually. His white shirt, or jacket, or frock, is billowing free of his black pants. His black high-tops are still on his feet. In all the other pictures, the people who did what he did—who jumped—appear to be struggling against horrific discrepancies of scale. They are made puny by the backdrop of the towers, which loom like colossi, and then by the event itself. Some of them are shirtless; their shoes fly off as they flail and fall; they look confused, as though trying to swim down the side of a mountain. The man in the picture, by contrast, is perfectly vertical, and so is in accord with the lines of the buildings behind him. He splits them, bisects them: Everything to the left of him in the picture is the North Tower; everything to the right, the South. Though oblivious to the geometric balance he has achieved, he is the essential element in the creation of a new flag, a banner composed entirely of steel bars shining in the sun. Some people who look at the picture see stoicism, willpower, a portrait of resignation; others see something else—something discordant and therefore terrible: freedom. There is something almost rebellious in the man's posture, as though once faced with the inevitability of death, he decided to get on with it; as though he were a missile, a spear, bent on attaining his own end. He is, fifteen seconds past 9:41 a.m. EST, the moment the picture is taken, in the clutches of pure physics, accelerating at a rate of thirty-two feet per second squared. He will soon be traveling at upwards of 150 miles per hour, and he is upside down. In the picture, he is frozen; in his life outside the frame, he drops and keeps dropping until he disappears.
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1 scaramouche  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 7:38:05am

This man is the unknown soldier of the war on terrorism, and the WTC is his tomb.

2 Greg  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 7:38:37am

That was somone's husband, brother, father, son.

3 William  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 7:39:22am

FYI, a local New York television station, NY1, has available their 9/11 coverage from that morning:

[Link: ny1.com...]
 

4 loknudson  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 7:39:51am

I have often seen the pictures of this man and have thought about the horrific circumstances that drove him to leap to his death. I have prayed for him and for the others who were killed or injured that day - but not for the bastards that caused it all.

5 William  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 7:40:20am

Regarding #3, it is streaming video of how the news coverage unfolded that morning.
 

6 MGlazer  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 7:40:31am

God!

It feels like 9.11 all over again

They have no idea what kind of pain they have caused us

7 Jerry S  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 7:41:59am

About 2 weeks after the WTC attacks the Globe and Mail had an article about this man. He was Puerta Rican and he worked at Windows on the World.

8 MGlazer  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 7:42:28am

This Rebel

Our Rebel

Is saying


DO NOT FORGET ME

DO NOT FORGET WHY I HAD TO JUMP!

9 MGlazer  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 7:43:41am

THIS IS WHY WE FIGHT


LIVE FREE OR DIE!

10 Robb  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 7:43:50am

This morning, I tried to print out the names of all the victims from 9/11 to put on the walls around my cube. The total list (with small descriptions) was 180 pages.

I have heard of this picture, but I don't want to see it. Simply printing the list today almost had me in tears as it was. I definitely was shaking with rage...

My daughter's 1st birthday is tomorrow. It will be hard to celibrate such joy with the memories I have.

To all, Never Forget

11 MGlazer  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 7:46:10am

We all bore witness to that horrific day

It is our duty, our obligation to all of humanity, all that is good, decent and righteous to make sure we and others do not forget and we continue this struggle by maintaining the banner of human dignity by facing evil head on and not flinching by its sick glare

12 Palandine  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 7:49:02am

Never forget.

I watched the Dem debate last night with a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. Not one of the candidates (not even Lieberman) grasped that we were in a war larger than Iraq, that this was in fact WWIII or WWIV depending on how you count the Cold War. It's like they all thought that if you could wave universal health care, or guaranteed college education, or commitments to "international law" in the faces of evil men, it would make all the bad things go away.

It would be a national tragedy if a Democrat won in 2004. They HAVE already forgotten.

13 brianstien  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 7:51:19am

Charles has the excellent Jim Lynch memorial linked on the right sidebar. I'm emailing it to everyone I know tomorrow. I'm also going to send the Junod article.

14 BH  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 7:53:17am

Is it me, or is it distasteful that the author critiques the photo like an art project? This is a guy's death.

15 rabidfox  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 7:54:31am

One of the saddest parts of that article was the comment by the mother - people telling her that if Norbert jumped he was in hell.

No, not on that day - I'm sure that G-d has a special redemption for those victums, those innocent victums and a special hell for those who forced such a choice on another human being.

Remember - Remember until the war on terror is won.

16 Scott Barnard  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 8:04:28am

Why did they jump? Some have said it was a way of controlling their destiny, instant painless death versus burning to death or suffocating to death. Some have called it animal instinct...to escape. Some have thought that it was so their bodies could be identified (would they have thought that through?).

I thought the article treated the subject with respect and dignity. But it didn't answer the questions that I have.

--scott

17 dhimmi smits  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 8:06:10am

OT - Swedish foreign minister and arab partisan Anna Lindh was stabbed in a dept store in Stockholm

[Link: www.euobserver.com...]

18 Lucile  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 8:06:20am

For him and all who perished in utter horror that day, Rest in Peace.

For us, freedom and victory is the only course.

19 kathyn  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 8:08:05am

#14 BH I think if you read the entire article you might change your opinion of the author. Actually, it is beautifully written and is a great tribute to all the unknown martyrs of that terrible day.

20 DocB  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 8:08:07am

Slightly OT:

The Department of Labor is giving away a free DVD titled "Up from Zero"

“Up From Zero” is a documentary film that pays tribute to the brave men and women of the New York City building trades who put themselves on the line on September 11, 2001 – and for nine months afterward – to reclaim Ground Zero.

I ordered mine today.

21 weimdog  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 8:09:04am

Did anybody else notice all the references to martyrdom regarding the poor souls who jumped to their death in this story?

22 BLUE STAR  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 8:15:48am

My friend - Steve

http://www.legacy.com/LegacyTribute/Sept11.asp?Pag e=TributeStory&PersonId=100295

One of the sweetest souls on this earth. Witty, wise
and caring. Survived the impact, worked on the lower floors(Thomson Financial). Stayed behind to help his
boss down 50+ flights of stairs. Murdered when WTC
collapsed.

The toughest shiva call I ever made.

Is my heart hard? You bet your ass it is.

23 William  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 8:16:00am

Good article Charles.

A brief thanks...

I'm amazed at how you maintain the level of energy that must be required to publish so many detailed items on LGF.  I just don't know how you do it.  (I'm also amazed at how the 'regulars' here post so frequently, and with such detail and depth.)

No other site on the Internet is more important regarding civilization's fight against terrorism.
 

24 Atomic Redneck  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 8:19:32am

Three of my coworkers went to NYC afterwards to help with the cleanup at ground Zero. They left their homes in Idaho and their families for six months because their help was needed. They were also heroes. They don't like to talk about what they saw.

25 Papijoe  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 8:23:59am

Anyone who has ever jumped off a high cliff into a quarry knows how seconds elongate into a terrifying eternity. I can't imagine what those ten seconds were like. My neighbor, a retired counselor, volunteered to help surviving WTC workers and rescuers after 9-11. He doesn't talk about it much, but he did tell me the greatest trauma for the people on ground was the impacts of those who were forced to jump. When I got home on 9-11, my Colombian mother-in-law was watching the coverage on one of the Spanish language networks. They were showing the footage of the poor falling souls that the mainstream news had stopped airing. I angrily demanded that she turn it off, and have never looked at those images again. After reading the article I am still ambivalent. I sympathize with the families and their need not to have to see those images. I also know we can't sanitize or anesthetize what really happened. Survivors, rescue workers, those who did remains identification and the residents of Lower Manhattan had no choice but to face the horror. Maybe the rest of us need to inoculate ourselve to help understand what they went through and make sure 9-11 isn't forgotten and nothing like this ever happens again.

26 kufr  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 8:26:13am

After the 1993 bombing I often stood on the plaza at WTC and thought "This is what they're shooting at." But I was wrong. They're shooting at us, and are doing so in a cold blooded manner as if stomping roaches.

Sharpen your knives.

27 Villanova  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 8:32:14am

This is no rebel or hero or martyr, he is a poor soul who should have lived a full life and died an old man with his family by his side. And I don't like the implication that the other people who suffered this same horrible fate are somehow less worthy of remembrance or of our prayers and sympathy because the author perceives this man purposely did some kind of swan dive and everyone else unartistically floundered and flailed. Personally I hope this man was unconscious and did not have to suffer the pains of this world in his last moments. God rest all their souls.

28 Andre S  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 8:32:46am

An absolutely awesome article. A must read.
This is why we need to fight. This is why we need to defeat the LLL's. This is why if Islam doesn't rid the world of the monsters that are hijacking it, we must do it. This is why all terrorists of all kinds need to be eliminated. This is why there cannot be any moral equivalency between good and evil. This is why we have no choice but to win this fight to the finish.
It is either them, the terrorists, the suicide-bombers, the killers of women and children, or us.
I vote for us.

29 Bourgeois Reactionary  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 8:37:50am

"They took all the footage off my T.V.
Said it's too disturbing for you and me
It'll just breed anger that's what the experts say
If it was up to me I'd show it everyday
Some say this country's just out looking for a fight
Well after 9/11 man I'd have to say that's right"
Darryl Worley
"Have You Forgotten"

[Link: www.minibite.com...]

30 Clutch  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 8:38:54am

I mentioned this song by the prog-rock band Camel on another thread, but thought that it might be appropriate to repost the lyrics again here...

(From the album "A Nod And A Wink")

For Today
(for the courageous spirit of the High Diver on 11st September)
Latimer/Hoover/LeBlanc

I saw a pearl of wisdom
in the spirit of a man
as he saved
the day he lost.

Time will say I told you so
if we look back in regret.
Never give a day away.
It won't return the same again.

Nothing can last
there are no second chances.
Never give a day away.
Always live for today.

31 Chuck  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 8:42:09am

Michele, of A Small Victory, has two years worth of personal stories in her Voices project. My own small blogging efforts are in a special page titled No Ordinary Day.

September 11 has meaning. No, not what you think. The murderous bastards who attacked America on September 11, 2001 were commemorating another September 11, that of 1683.

September 11, 1683 marked the day the Turks turned away from the gates of Vienna in defeat. The last threat to Europe from Islam had failed.

That shows the kind of people we’re dealing with. They live in the past, the far past. They recall the glory days of Islam, a thousand years ago.

Our enemies hate us, and their perversion of a religion tells them that we must be conquered and enslaved or killed for the glory of a god named Allah. They will give us no other choice.

In 1860 America faced another situation that would define who we are as a people and as a country. Americans were enslaving other human beings, owning them as farm animals. The moral thing, the right thing, was to free these people and allow them the choices that all other Americans had. We engaged in a great civil war, a war that many did not support. The war was to free the slaves, and to preserve the Union. We succeeded at a terrible cost, but the right thing was done and our nation is the better for it.

September 11, 2001 marked another defining moment in our history. We are faced with an enemy who will not stop, who intends to bring to ruin all that we hold dear. In the name of an abomination of a religion, our enemy comes to kill or enslave us. There can be no other choice but war, war to the bitter end. The full force and fury of the United States, the people of the United States, must be brought against our foe. We must kill them, and kill them until they are no more or until they renounce forever their murderous desires. There is no moral compromise, no room for negotiation. We must make of them what Carthage came to be. Only one winner can emerge from this struggle and that winner will be the United States of America.

32 Daniel  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 8:59:54am

I have seen this picture many times before and have always had a wierd feeling looking at it. I think that this article does a good job of isolating the reasons why I felt this way and for that I am grateful.

33 Darwin Akbar  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 9:03:52am

These pictures must be seen and the stories told again and again. There are those who say this will damage the "healing process" are the same who say that Israel's killing of the killers hurts "the peace process."
These were our bothers, sisters, friends, cousins. They went to work that morning, like we do in a civilized country, or they jumped on an early morning plane. They never came home.

A little girl, flyting to Disneyworld with her parents, cluthing a teddy bear, gets immolated. Nothing left to bury.
And why? Because of a degenerate culture of fanatics decided they had to die?
We need to renmmber these people - the jumpers, the police, the parents, the children - every day. The day these wounds heal is the day they win.
Thank you Charles for your good work.

34 Chris J.  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 9:06:42am

What Would I Do ?

Good story. Horrid reminder of what happened that day.

I've wondered what I'd do if I were in a situation like these people.

Would I jump or wait to be overcome by smoke or flames?

I don't have the faintest idea. I can imagine that I jump. I can imagine I don't.

My thoughts and prayers are with the families of all the 9/11 victims. I'm thankful we have our military trying to make sure we never, ever see another 9/11.

35 Neo  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 9:14:03am

*cries*

36 Jocund Mavis  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 9:15:05am

#21 weimdog

See, you have already fallen into the "doublethink" trap that the LLL and the Islamofascists have set for us by hi-jacking our language. I admit I am getting the same way; today if I hear the word "martyr" an image of some splodeydope with a towel on his head just leaps unbidden into my mind, and I have to suppress this and think on the meaning that "martyr" used to have.

When the enemy talks about martyrs, we know damn fine that they really mean homicidal mass murderers who just happen to kill themselves in the process.

IMHO martyr is absolutely an appropriate term for the folks who died 09/11. They were slain for what they stood for, culture and faith, by an enemy who believes they will persecute and ultimately destroy us because this is what they believe their "God" has promised them.

37 zion blogster  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 9:20:25am

I worked in building three of the World Financial Center across the street from the North Tower of the World Trade Center. On 9/11, I left my building through the northern entrance at just after 9:35. Police were escorting people a short block north and a bit west (next to a movie theater) . There is a plaza there and a vacant lot. I went from there to a ferrry that left from due west of the WTC and went to New Jersey. As I left my building there were people on the ground being treated by paramedics. I remember as I left that there were crowds of people watching with many on cell phones telling people what they were seeing. I clearly remember walking by one woman who was crying and saying on her phone that people were jumping. After hearing that I specifically did not look. I thought that it could only be psycologicaly harmful (at least for me) to watch things like that and I wondered why people were entranced by it.

38 Laura  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 9:25:11am

The pictures of the people jumping brought tears on Sept 11, far more than any other single image or fact. That people could be so desperate to escape... that they faced a choice of either choke and burn or fall and crash.

I have had friends who killed themselves by jumping - from a bridge, from a parking garage... This was different, because they were already marked for death. But I think some people do still view it as "suicide" - and are ashamed or horrified. They shouldn't be ashamed - and the horror is in the tragedy of it, and the evil.

39 Miss Defy  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 9:28:56am

#32 Yes, I agree. I don't think the author is trying to say the other jumpers lives were less worthy or anything like that. It's the stunning symmetry of body and buildings, as well as the stark beauty captured in one precious second. It truly is an awesome photo in a myriad of ways. When we think about what happened that day and try to make some sense of the horror - we all imagine what we would have done if it had been us. Which leads you to think of your own mortality and how you will end. If you don't like to think about that, then change the channel and keep on watching Oprah.

The soft-focus attitude towards death bothers me. I think the networks decision to edit the jumpers out was outrageous. Who are they to create a 'politically correct' version of reality'? Hey, I say, if you can't handle the truth, turn off your TV. Maybe then, barely two years past, it wouldn't be quite so easy for so many people to pretend it never happened.

40 Radian  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 9:29:18am

Just got back from the City.
It still surprises me how people still don't understand the stakes. They want to kill us and destroy all we have, 9/11, Israel, India, Khobar towers, USS cole, Phillipines. One enemy, one solution. Total war, give no quarter..If Islam is uncapable of purging the radicals we should, violently.

41 Ayanami  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 9:29:23am
No one ever got used to it; no one who saw it wished to see it again, although, of course, many saw it again. Each jumper, no matter how many there were, brought fresh horror, elicited shock, tested the spirit, struck a lasting blow. Those tumbling through the air remained, by all accounts, eerily silent; those on the ground screamed.

So does that new French book "Windows on the World" mention this?

42 MGlazer  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 9:33:10am

Miss Defy,

I want the truth

So after 9.11 I turned off my TV permanently and went online

43 Miss Defy  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 9:37:15am

#42

You are so right. Point taken.

44 Sean  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 9:39:21am

MGlazer & Miss Defy,

I'm with you. The TV doesn't do it for me anymore.

45 rebmiami  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 9:49:18am

Chuck #31
Brilliant post.
I heartily endorse what you said so well.

Make them what Carthage came to be if making them what Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan came to be fails. If they indeed renounce jihadi Islamism after suffering enough wholesale retribution, we can proceed to do wonderful things for them, and they can join the modern world. Jihadi Islamism, a fascist imperialist genocidal movement that has never tasted utter defeat on its home turf must do so, all fantasies of conquest expunged from their breast in the bitter stinging ashes of defeat. I'm not claiming special powers of insight, but this thought, expressed here in this post, was crystal clear and self evident to me on September 12, 2001, and it has been my guiding principle since then. (I was grief-stricken, enraged, and not thinking straight all throughout the black day itself, but my thoughts very quickly coalesced). My grandparents had it easier, their enemies flew flags, the Democratic Party had balls, and there was no substitute for or thought of settling for less than Total Victory. No price too high, no sacrifice too great.

46 Kim Possible  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 9:55:31am

What a riveting story. One detail really pissed me off, though – the reporter (Peter Cheney) who showed up at a funeral to confront a grieving family with a blown up photo of Falling Man in an attempt to confirm if it was their husband/father.

The family had already told Cheney once they weren’t interested in talking to him, so he showed up at the funeral! What kind of heartless scumbag would do such a disrespectful thing? The public’s right to know such a relatively trivial detail does NOT trump that family’s right to grieve in private.

I’m sorry they didn’t spit on the bastard as they ordered him away from the service. He's a disgrace to his profession, and that's saying something.

47 growler  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 10:01:43am

DocB -- Thanks so much for that Dep't of Labor DVD link. Ordered it immediately.

BH --
I don't find Junod's writing at all distasteful. You should read the entire article and you'll see that the writer in no way feels as though it were an "art project." Instead, he paints a harshly true picture of what it must have been like for the jumpers.

And, Charles, thanks for the hat tip. I e-mailed you when the print edition first came out, urging you to get your hands on a copy. I had just finished reading the piece, and was astonished at how moving and powerful it was. I'm glad they finally put it on the web, and I'm glad you read your e-mail today with the URL.

Steve B./growler

48 papertiger  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 10:03:06am

Thats what I'm talking about.
If your going on that last trip,
F***ing make it a triple back
summersault with a half twist
to a layout and at the end
make a clean landing
with a minimum of rip.

Americans love style
That's what it is all about

49 fiery celt  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 10:05:59am

My husband worked for Cantor Fitzgerald for many years...
The Morning of September 11th, he called from the trading floor, here in Chicago, saying "I've just lost all my direct lines to NYC. I can't tell which tower the plane has hit...
Desperate days of futile phone calls and unread e-mails proved that NO ONE we knew made it out alive!

Everytime I see photos of the people that were forced to "jump",...I wonder who??? Did we know that person?

Never Never Forget!

btw; to all you LLL conspiracy, tin foil hat, weenies out there...Everyone we knew that died in the WTC that day was either of Irish extraction, english or Jewish!!!...so much for the Zionist conspiracy!

50 papertiger  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 10:08:40am
btw; to all you LLL conspiracy, tin foil hat, weenies out there...Everyone we knew that died in the WTC that day was either of Irish extraction, english or Jewish!!!...so much for the Zionist conspiracy!

Thanks. We all knew, but someone had to say it.

51 Pat  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 10:12:30am

I read this article in Esquire and just sat there staring off into space trying to imagine making the decision to jump while Hell itself was beginning to surround me when just a brief time before I was drinking my second cup of coffee or opening the morning email. My wife asked me what was wrong, why are you 'spaced out'? I handed her the article and told her to read it and imagine if she were there. After she read it she too stared out into space, lost in her own thoughts of that horrific day. She looked at me afterward and we began to remember that day and the changes it has brought us all.

I hope all Americans and those who appreciate freedom around the world sit and discuss that day tomorrow (9-11). Discussion fosters remembering the events and the people we lost, helping to ensure that we never forget. I know my 11th grade US History students will hear about it tomorrow and see the video from that day in my classes. I pray that they never forget.

52 papertiger  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 10:29:55am

When they make WTC II, they need to install a jumping pad on the ground next to it.

53 rebmiami  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 10:52:34am

9-11 = Pearl Harbor

And we know what happened after Pearl Harbor.

Admiral Yamamoto:
"I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." [upon learning of the success of the Japanese raid on Pearl Harbor]

Hey Al-Qaeda,
Just exactly who the fuck did you think you were fucking with, you camel-humping koran thumping inbred idiots ?

Clue: the country that responded in this manner the last time it was attacked in cold blood by enemies with no honor:

Four years after Pearl Harbor, Strategic Air Command General Curtiss LeMay headed out to the Pacific Theater. He instituted night area bombing on Japanese cities with a mixture of incendiary bombs and antipersonnel weapons that kept firefighters from putting out the fires. Apart from the famous atomic attacks, from March 1945 until end of the war, many Japanese cities were subjected to area firebombing. Tokyo, Osaka, and many other cities were burned out by firestorms that reached over 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. The bombings are estimated to have killed as many as 500,000 people.

Another clue: we don't celebrate on the streets the fact that we did this, either. We repaired the damage, repaired the country, and moved on with peaceful pursuits.

My fear: we're not there yet. We're still pussyfooting and too blinded by PC/scared about what the rest of the world thinks to identify the enemy and do what needs to be done. I hope I'm wrong. Lord knows we haven't sat back, at least we are out there taking the fight to the enemy. I'm just afraid we're still being too nice about it.

54 hcq  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 11:05:56am

#37

I thought that it could only be psycologicaly harmful (at least for me) to watch things like that

What "psychological harm" do you envision occurring?

Somehow, not watching because I might be upset reminds me of the man who stays out of the delivery room because watching his wife give birth is just too painful. Try it with your legs in the stirrups, Bub.

Frankly, we've all got it easy; unlike the jumper, we didn't have to DO it. The least I can do to honor him and what he went through is to share that moment with him in whatever way I can.

And if watching something so horrible makes it stick in my mind, and invades my dreams, and makes it impossible for me to forget, and shakes me out of my complacency - well, that sounds like a good thing to me.

55 Sgt. Mom  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 11:12:01am

Shortly after 9/11, some of my co-workers and I were talking about the horror of the choice; the fire or the jump, and one of our clients walked in to pick up some paperwork. In a rather grim mood, we asked the client, who is a fireman, what he thought. He said the smoke and lack of oxygen would have suffocated people rather rapidly, and fairly painlessly.

56 Greg  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 11:14:48am

#52:

Uh...clever...ha...um...how to put this kindly...

"Go fuck yourself"

57 Greg #56  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 11:16:23am

Damn, I see there is another Greg here now. That'll teach me for not posting much. I started out as Toby, then switched to my real first name because Toby was taken...what to do...what to do...

58 Jim  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 11:24:45am

I think that every candidate for the Presidential nomination of any party ought to be required to comment at length on the photograph.

Never forget.

59 fred from AL  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 11:25:05am

#53 Rebmiami

The perps have learned to stay in the shadows and deny us a clear target. We aren't ready for killing on the scale required to rid ourselves of them.

To me the most likely scenario is that the Islamists will get control of enough of the oil exports, probably Saudi A and some of the Gulf States, and then start an economic assault on the West. When enough people are out of work and desparate we will be ready to reply to the long list of continuing attacks. If that is the way it happens it will be a typical "trough war".

IMO, the current "war" in Iraq is actually putting off the reckoning as it is putting a bad taste in a lot of mouths without actually addressing the problem.

At least that's my opinion, then again, I could be wrong.

60 rebmiami  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 11:28:21am

Whoops.
(pre-emptively fact-checking my own posterior)
Okay, the Yamamoto quote in my #53 is from the movie Tora Tora Tora, widely attributed to the real Yamamoto all over the internet, but debunked here.

This source confirms the movie origin of the quotation but attributes this variant to the real Admiral: “A military man can scarcely pride himself on having ‘smitten a sleeping enemy’; in fact, to have it pointed out is more a matter of shame.”—

After this experience, I am no longer sure about this old chestnut so often attributed to the good Admiral:
""In the first six to twelve months of a war with the United States and Great Britain I will run wild and win victory upon victory. But then, if the war continues after that, I have no expectation of success." Any takers?

I apologize for the error. Nonetheless, the point made stands without the quote.

61 John  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 11:35:44am

I read in "Firehouse," (David Halberstam) that one of the firemen killed on 9/11 died from a jumper landing on him.

62 sammy small  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 11:37:02am

#53

I agree with your fears; the longer we wait, the tougher it will become. Lets do a full court press on all fronts.

63 rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 11:39:28am
64 rebmiami  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 11:43:36am

#59 Fred from Al:

The perps have learned to stay in the shadows and deny us a clear target. We aren't ready for killing on the scale required to rid ourselves of them.

Precisely what I fear. I also fear it's going to take a dramatic reprise of 9-11 to get us "ready for killing on the scale required to rid ourselves of them." The enemy comprise much more than the Al-Q trigger-pullers, it is the ideological infection of Islamism that seems to have permeated from one end to another of an entire world religion, which presents a very vexing problem indeed. Take out the trigger pullers, the Islamists will grow more. That ideology needs to be stamped out.

Islamism is feeling its oats, and needs to be crushed. The trouble is it has made huge inroads into the "religion of peace" silent majority, in terms of actual support or at least sympathy, and, like a bad weed, it is crowding out and silencing any more moderate alternatives.

The current strategy is better than nothing, unlike you, I think the Iraq situation is going to break in our favor over the long haul, and all manner of things may be well. I'm just feeling a bad case of "faster please" today and the falling man didn't help matters!

65 Capt. Queeg  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 11:46:16am

#53

My fear: we're not there yet. We're still pussyfooting and too blinded by PC/scared about what the rest of the world thinks to identify the enemy and do what needs to be done. I hope I'm wrong. Lord knows we haven't sat back, at least we are out there taking the fight to the enemy. I'm just afraid we're still being too nice about it.

You are correct. We have not made the enemies of America suffer sufficiently. That is why the situation in Iraq is what it is today. The question remains: will we continue to pussyfoot around with the Islamists after, say, a nuclear bomb obliterates one of our cities?

66 Hhar  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 11:46:47am

From another blog comes the best use of that image I've seen.

[Link: www.samizdata.net...]

67 rebmiami  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 12:00:41pm

#66 Hhar:
Nice link, I liked the "peace activists" in Riyadh giving out vodka and girlie magazines, Chirac condemning saddam hussein, and most of all the picture caption "the root causes of American anger"

Yes, right.

68 fred from AL  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 12:04:21pm

#60 Rebmiami

""In the first six to twelve months of a war with the United States and Great Britain I will run wild and win victory upon victory. But then, if the war continues after that, I have no expectation of success."

That one is in At Dawn We Slept by Gordon Prange (sp?). My copy is boxed away for a move so I can't give you an exact reference. The book is considered well researched by most historians, although the conclusions about the degree of warning that Kimmel and Short got is always debated.

BTW ANYBODY what goes inside the HTML brackets for underline?

69 Paul  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 12:11:41pm

Last night on PBS, there was a program on the building and destruction of the WTC. It featured extensive videos of people trapped in the north tower clinging to broken windows waving frantically for help that could not come. What could these people have experienced a thousand feet in the air that caused them to jump? God help us if we ever forget these people and the choice they had to make.

70 quark2  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 12:55:18pm

@69 Paul

I watched that special too. It's about the only kind of television I watch anymore. Otherwise the television is for movies only [the ones I own!].
I stay connected to the internet almost all of the time now.
This place has become my second home, and the regular posters are my family. That includes you Charles. *?)

71 Connecticut Yankee  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 1:23:36pm

#63 rayra

I hope a mild disagreement on a subject so acutely painful won't be offensive. I think there is a sense in which the "falling man" in the photo and the others who jumped can indeed be called martyrs. The root meaning of the Greek word martys is "witness," i.e. someone who gives testimony to the truth in a court of law. It was only later that the word acquired its present sense of someone who dies for a cause. Those who jumped on 9/11-- as well as all the others who died on that day-- gave testimony, bore witness-- not only to the brute reality of the evil that stalks our world, but also to the truths that Americans hold to be self-evident. Those truths are what we must keep before our eyes in the long fight ahead. I am not surprised that the media folks have a collective case of "sticker shock" when they consider the cost of freedom.

Thank you again, Charles, for posting the article.

72 growler  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 1:47:51pm

Anyone who has interest in reading the article, but can't stomach the idea of looking at the picture (though I don't know why that would be; we need to remember what happened) can find the whole piece here. It's the entire article, ready to print out, with no photo.

73 Former_journalist  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 2:17:15pm

I am so angry. Time does not ease the anger, and it should not. That story brought tears to my eyes, tears of sadness, and of rage. I remember crying when I saw that photo, and when I saw the video coverage on 9/11.

Our rage should be like a fire ... that can only be quenched with the blood of the monsters who did this to our country.

74 Raoul Ortega  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 3:01:14pm

We don't see those images because of our hypersensitivity to not hurt the little feelings of the families of victims. We've ceded all discussion of disasters to a few people overly emotional people, and not just on the subject of the World Trade Center. Long before that I'd noticed a tendency to give special treatment to family members of people who die in airline crashes, like the Alaska Airlines off California or the one off Long Island the conspiracy kooks claim was shot down by a magic missile.

With all due respect, it's time to start telling these people that they are nobody special. Yes, their loved ones died horribly and tragically. So what? It happens to a lot of people, a lot. In traffic accidents, in industrial accidents, in warfare, in criminal acts and by "acts of god". The only difference is that their relatives made the national news, and died in a clump. They're dead. Everybody dies. Deal with it.

I know the above is harsh, but this whole cult of victim worship gives me the creeps. I refuse to wallow in self-pity, and refuse to tolerate those that do, especially on this subject.

75 anastasia  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 3:15:12pm

Raoul #74,

The families may not be special but the victims are. I thought I'd be more hardened on this anniversary but I'm not. Every pictures brings the hot tears and the choking lump in my throat. I want revenge. I want justice. If that makes me an imperialist western capitalist pig, I'm a pig with a mission.

Long live the USA. Long live Israel.

76 papertiger  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 3:46:45pm

#56 in your reference to # 52:

Sorry my "fix the problem" gene crossed up your "share the moment"gene.
Perhaps Parachutes on the next one?

Ok wrong forum. We can talk about it later.

77 Kirk  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 3:47:14pm

Weep for this man and the others. Remember them.

78 Snackbar  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 3:57:08pm

There are few black and white situations in life.

The starkness of the images haunt us. The choice is between smoke inhaling immolation and to breath once again before you die.

We, the civilized folk, live in denial of death. It doesn't happen, we tuck it away in a quiet corner. To see someone embracing their fate. We fear.

The theme of the article seemed to me, our immediate acceptance of social TABOO regarding the publication of such pictures.

Such pictures are invaluable They confirm life is both ephemeral and precious.

They should never be shown simply for shock value but must always be available to be seen.

I started with an observation about Black & White.

This is a simple case.

Somebody showed up for work.

Somebody decided it was OK to kill them.

The second Somebody was wrong.

79 Bensmom  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 4:05:16pm

I didn't think I could cry anymore.

Wrong.

Bless their dear hearts, and the hearts of their families. Keep the pictures coming. We must not forget.

80 Joseph  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 4:10:33pm

I'm looking at the picture and I'm wondering: How is it that the normal and decent people (like myself) did not descend on the war-protesters and tear them apart piece by piece????

How is that we didn't take to the streets when we heard of the Saudis being allowed to sneak out on 9/12?????

How is it that we didn't scream in righteous fury in front of the NY Times building as they showed more concern for the terrorists than for the terror victims???????

81 Joseph  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 4:14:18pm

Is there anyone here who doubts that the vast majority of photographers would probably go for 'the shot' than trying to help rescue people or assist the wounded????

Never Forgive, Never Forget!

82 A. van Hilten  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 4:54:50pm

We should all bear this in mind:

[...] the pictures that came out of the death camps of Europe were treated as essential acts of witness, without particular regard to the sensitivities of those who appeared in them or the surviving families of the dead. They were shown, as Richard Drew's photographs of the freshly assassinated Robert Kennedy were shown. They were shown, as the photographs of Ethel Kennedy pleading with photographers not to take photographs were shown. They were shown as the photograph of the little Vietnamese girl running naked after a napalm attack was shown. They were shown as the photograph of Father Mychal Judge, graphically and unmistakably dead, was shown, and accepted as a kind of testament. They were shown as everything is shown, for, like the lens of a camera, history is a force that does not discriminate. What distinguishes the pictures of the jumpers from the pictures that have come before is that we—we Americans—are being asked to discriminate on their behalf. What distinguishes them, historically, is that we, as patriotic Americans, have agreed not to look at them. Dozens, scores, maybe hundreds of people died by leaping from a burning building, and we have somehow taken it upon ourselves to deem their deaths unworthy of witness—because we have somehow deemed the act of witness, in this one regard, unworthy of us.

83 papertiger  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 5:15:32pm

Ok #82 Time out

First is that the rest of the article? This guy is going a bit over the top. we have somehow taken it upon ourselves to deem their deaths unworthy of witness
I saw this picture on the cover of freaking Newsweek. My act of witness was every time i went to the newsstand, grocery or 7/11. I think he should wag that bony finger back at the squeemish media that doesn't ever get the story close to correct for fear of hurting someones feelings. Freaking Liberal Press, not America turned away in horror because it was too much for them to bare . You and I didn't have much say in the matter.

84 papertiger  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 5:23:18pm

time in :-)

85 A. van Hilten  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 5:52:17pm

Papertiger,

You're right about the American media as far as I can tell. To me, it's important to bear witness to what people who jumped to their deaths that morning had to go through in the final moments of their lives.

That's why I don't really care who this guy was. That's not the point. The pictures should serve as a reminder of what 9/11 was all about. That's all.

On the other hand, these pictures alone don't tell the whole story. To find out what we're up against, you should also look into the faces of Palestinians dancing in the streets.

86 DebP  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 6:04:12pm

(1) The "jumpers" saved hundreds of lives. After the first tower was struck, the Port Authority was telling people in the second tower to remain where they were. However when they saw all the people jumping from the first tower, they got the heebie-jeebies, and decided to disregard what the Port Authority was telling them, and they began evacuating the building. I listened to interviews of survivors afterwards where they said as much. If these people had followed the Port Authority's advice, many more people would have died.

(2) I was told that once the people realized they were going to burn to a crisp, and that there would be nothing left of them, by jumping they boosted the odds that there would be some identifiable remains. Certain religions believe that it's important to have intact remains, and in other cases, it is a mercy for the family. The article gives an example of one clergy man who prayed, in fact insisted in his prayer, that he know what happened to his son. And his son's body was found. In fact at the conclusion of the article, it was suggested that his son might even be the man who was in the photo, and he might even have been falling so that his father's prayers would be answered.

(3) Not all of the people did jump with the intent of killing themselves. The article describes some people were trying to rig parachutes and what-have-you with tablecloths. Adds to the pathos. At any rate, the wind pulled any such thing that they might have tried using out of their hands.

(4) And I can't believe that anyone would consider any of the people who actually did decide to jump instead of waiting patiently to die inside to have committed a sin. It wasn't a choice between life and death. And considering the panic of the moment, in many cases it probably wasn't a choice at all. I was watching that morning before they stopped covering it. People were hanging on the outside of windows for the longest time, perhaps hoping that somehow, someway, somebody would save them. And for a lot of these people, I felt fatigue just overwhelmed them.

DebP

87 papertiger  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 7:16:04pm

DebP

I think he was looking for a soft place to hit. This isn't suicide. Thats what I would tell his Catholic family.

88 Kathy  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 7:26:44pm

I remember the first time I went to the top of the WTC observation area. About 20 years ago. The first thought that came to mind when I looked straight down was how awful it would be to fall from there. The cars and people below were like ants. When I watched the horror of 9/11 unfold, it was again the first thought in my mind. Makes me sick to my stomach.

89 Jake  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 7:38:38pm

Wow...I'm about to cry, and I could only make it to page 2...

90 Jake  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 7:47:40pm

#52 - you're a tasteless ass and I'm mad at myself for getting upset at your stupidity and crass. No wait, I'm mad at you. Jerk.

91 Goldenwebb  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 9:28:32pm

Don't forget also the man and woman who reached out and held hands before they jumped.

The act of jumping was not an act of cowardice. It took staggering courage to make that choice. Those people were doing what they had to do, moment by moment, to get through that hell. At some point the only choice left was to break a window, climb up into the frame, take a few last breaths of fresh air, and then -- when the fire got too close, or the smoke go too thick -- step out into space.

And speaking of Hell, it enrages me to think that there are people out there who believe that those who made the choice to jump committed sin and are therefore damned and experiencing some kind of eternal punishment.

Punishment? For what? For getting to work on time? For wanting to escape the black choking stinking poisonous smoke and the blistering fire?

If you believe that, then you slander the God of love that I believe in. Those people jumped straight into His arms.

92 rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 10:28:11pm
93 Uriah  Wed, Sep 10, 2003 11:39:04pm

I did not see the footage as it ran on 9/11 as I was a flight attendant on a TWA flight out of Omaha that day and the first tower came down as we were waiting on the tarmac for a gate to unload our horrified passengers. I found that I felt guilty for not bearing witness, as if I could somehow lessen the pain of the victims by sharing some of their horror.
Just as the Germans in neighboring towns were forced to view the death camps and what their willing denial had done, all who speak of peace with the monsters who did this should be forced to view these images and if they turn away they should recieve the same "butt-stroke to the head" those Germans who tried to avoid the reality of their complicity did.

94 Doc  Thu, Sep 11, 2003 2:52:27am

Other incredible, terrifying, photos can be found at the archive site for the Pulitzer prizes...

From the NYT Pulitzer Prize Entry (2002)

The caption states that there is a person in the gaping hole made by the plane in the north tower but maybe it's better I can readily see him.

We don't do ourselves any service by hiding these images. It's the true picture of the terror that happened to innocent people that day and the empathy we feel for them and their families that strengthen our resolutions to ensure it won't happen again.

95 Viking Kitten  Thu, Sep 11, 2003 4:26:36am
I'm looking at the picture and I'm wondering: How is it that the normal and decent people (like myself) did not descend on the war-protesters and tear them apart piece by piece????

You answer your own question. We did not descend on them precisely because we are normal and decent.

As for the anti-war-terror-enablers, they are not good and decent people. They are PAGANS --- People Against Goodness And Normalcy.

96 MysticMonist  Thu, Sep 11, 2003 6:02:31am

By jumping they bought themselves a last few seconds of peace.

Time for a last prayer perhaps.

An extra few moments to think conscious thoughts.

97 kufr  Thu, Sep 11, 2003 6:23:37am

By jumping they got away from the stench of Atta's burning corpse.


Reading this was gut wrenching.

#74 Raoul
You're one cold cat.

98 A. van Hilten  Thu, Sep 11, 2003 11:10:02am

Today, I was looking for some info on Aktion Reinhard (the operation set up by the nazis in Poland to perfect the method of gassing people to death they had already used with the mentally ill) and I came across a website dedication where these powerful words still bear witness to the Holocaust: "Yidn, shreibt un farshreibt!".

Dedication


This site is dedicated to the hundreds of thousands unknown Jews who perished in the death camps BELZEC, SOBIBOR and TREBLINKA. The story is told that Simon Dubnow, the well respected Jewish historian, shot in the Riga ghetto on December 8th 1941, warned his fellow Jews:

"Yidn, shreibt un farshreibt!"
"Jews, write and record!"

This phrase was written on walls and scraps of paper in a last desparate act of defiance when the victims saw their immediate demise. These "last gasps" can be found in many locations, including the 1X Fort Kovno and in the last transport bringing the Jewish workers of the "death brigade" from Belzec to Sobibor in June 1943 where they were all shot on arrival.

We have to write and record before it's too late.

99 www.dafka.org  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:23:21pm

Check out our memorial on 9/11 at [Link: www.dafka.org...]

Go to the ticker on right and click on the memorial...
very moving...


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