Another dead-on editorial from the masters!

The cartoon was intense.

Here is a just a reminder that we need to not only stop Osama but his good friends in Saudi. [Link: www.cnn.com...]

Brilliant.

This is too powerful for words. Thank you, Cox and Forkum. And thank you Charles for your tireless efforts to keep us informed.

Never forget those who died.

Never forget who killed them.

This will be viewed as high comedy by the Islamonazis. "Look - flying yuppies!"

Kill or be killed.

Amen. I have few words today.

This is what was said at the end of the Holocaust. In Germany Jews were afraid of the 'powers that be' and walked to the trains. Now, still afraid of the 'powers that be', Jews are allowing immoral homicidal maniacs to lead the killing again. Never say never.

Amen. Good work Cox and Forkum.

It's a great cartoon, but I don't understand what "Never Again" means in the context of terrorist attacks. Is there a man or woman who reads this website who doesn't think we're in for something much worse in our lifetimes--and probably much sooner rather than later? It's going to happen again, folks. Count on it.

For Bay Area LGFers, have you seen the poll on the San Francisco Chronicle website this morning?

"What would most reduce the risk of terrorism on US soil?" Guess what's winning by a landslide right now: "Negotiate Israel - Palestinian peace."

Sad that a major newspaper/website (no disrespect to Charles) or syndicator hasn't found the balls to provide C&F with the audience they deserve.

WOW! Powerful stuff C & F.

I knew it was war that morning - I was one of the many who failed to understand it was war years earlier

There is no alternative to Victory

A colleague at work said to me this morning: "You look sad."

Some people forget real fast, don't they?

As ever, excellent work, C & F.

publius: They're probably close to right, as long as you use the broader connotation of "negotiate," as in we negotiated a total surrender of the terrorists. With some well-placed J-DAMs.

OT Update on 'Magnificent 11' Conference. Al Muhajiroun: Main conferences cancelled for fear of MI5 and Scotland Yard. Sounds like a subterfuge, he's busy rearranging. Latest is this:

9/11 Meeting 1900 hrs (GMT) (1100PST)
N17 Studios, 784 High Rd, Tottenham, London N17

The introduction to the topic of 'The Magnificent 19' will take place at the above address at 19:00 today, Thursday 11th September 2003, the speaker will be Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, and will introduce briefly the Magnificent 19, this introduction will lead up to 'The Magnificent 19' Conference to be held on Saturday 13th September 2003 in Brimingham.

The conference will also contain a public invitation to all non-muslims to embrace Islam so that they will be safe, and to warn every Muslim and non-muslim not to die without to submit to Islam, otherwise they will face a raging fire and the Magnificent 19 for Allah (swt) says in the Qur'an:

"Soon will I cast him into Hell-Fire! And what will explain to you what Hell-Fire is? none does it permit to endure, and none does it leave alone! Darkening and changing the colour of man! Over it are Nineteen (Angels). And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; and We have fixed their number only as a trial for Unbelievers,- in order that the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) may arrive at certainty, and the Believers may increase in Faith,- and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol does Allah intend by this?" Thus does Allah leave to stray whom He pleases, and guides whom He pleases: and none can know the forces of your Lord, except He and this is no other than a warning to mankind." [EMQ 74: 26-31]

NB - It should be known that it is prohibited in Islam to celebrate the life or death of any person and it is forbidden for any Muslims to take part in the 'one-minute silence' on September 11th, the Prophet Muhammad (saw) said: "Whoever imitates a people he becmes one of them." Allah made it Haram for Muslims to imitate the non-Muslims, the one minute silence to commemorate people who have died is a part of the affair of the non-muslims, and so it is forbidden to take part in it with them.

#14 Pogue Mahone

You are more correct than you think.

The sentiment of appeasement and delflecting personal responsibility has been increasing in intensity for many years now. The guilt of collecting moral debt from the ones before us is piling up. We owe no one but ourselves.

We must fight this thing with every breath we hold.

The two falling figures strike me as a recreation of Michelangelo's "Creation of Man" painting on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. The figures are almost touching fingers, just like God and Adam in the painting, as if to say that on September 11 there was an unseen spirit passed from God to mankind about what concentrated evil there was in the world and a marching order for all Judeo-Christian soldiers to defeat it.

WOW !!!

Thank You Cox and Forkum

It's time to start calling these Bush-bashers and
peace pretenders what they really are:

TRAITORS and/or COWARDS

Don't be afraid of being non-PC;
use the words.

#10 NC

It's a great cartoon, but I don't understand what "Never Again" means in the context of terrorist attacks.

It's a good point, NC, but I believe C&F are pointing out that we will never again go "quietly into that good night" as most of the passengers on those planes did. It's more likely that we will fight, just like the passengers of Flight 93 did. Now that we know what we're up against, what kind of vile, suicidal ideology we're fighting, it's unlikely that they takes us "unawares". And in so doing, if we are faced with a future 9-11, we may be able to prevent some of the destruction. I think that's what C&F meant by "Never Again".

But again, you make a good point. This is not going to be the last or the worst.

#16: Touche. I'm sure that's what they mean :)

#11 publius
I'm flabergasted at the choices they offer.
What would most reduce the risk of terrorism on US soil?
1. Capture Osama bin Laden.
2. End occupation of Iraq.
3. Negotiate Israel-Palestine peace.
4. Continue stress on homeland security.
5. Not much we can do.
These are the best choices for reducing terrorism on US soil? #4 only gets eight percent of the vote? As for #2, aren't the LLLs always telling us how stupid the American public is for thinking that Saddam was responsible or had a connection to 9-11? How is it then that ending the occupation would curd terrorism? As for #3, didn't the US negotiate Camp David and Oslo? When was the last Palestinian attack on the US?
(Not that they wouldn't) And, #5, the supine, "oh, just hurry up and rape us" choice gets more votes than protecting homeland security. Were these people alive on 9-11?

God, I hope never again. But in reality, it's very likely. I'm not scared of what the next "big thing" will be, I'm furious and frustrated about the possibility at all.

#19 John Smallberries

You see God Reaching out to man.
To exact revenge for unseen dept to be controlled to be docile under him.

I see man reaching out to man.
To be understanding. To reach our true potential as humans we must reach out for our own personal needs not that of some invisible being.

There lay the difference between us to identify what's wrong with the world.

Egfrow

#24:

Were these people alive on 9-11?

You bet they were. And they said "ha, America is finally getting what it deserves" and so on. I think Berkeley may have been the happiest place in the United States on September 11, 2001.

And Hillary commemorates September 11 by bashing Bush on the 'Today' show. Always a class act, those Clintons.

#10 NC

It's a great cartoon, but I don't understand what "Never Again" means in the context of terrorist attacks.

"Never again" means that we don't be complacent. That we take the battle to them. That we kill them before they kill us.

At first, I wished the cartoon had not been so large, so I could use it as a background without editing it. But then I realized the powerful impact of having to scroll down through the whole scene.

C&F are true artists.

I visited C&F earlier this morning and saw it. I couldn't wash out the lump in my throat.

Made me think of that (sa)d "Falling Man" article I read yesterday.

publius, Doss,

I was also going to post about how awful the five choices were. I went ahead and voted for get Osama (#1) because it was the best of the five. But come on, whoever designed that poll should have provided some other options - like hunt down the bastards and all those like them.

#11 publius

Rather stunning that increased border enforcement is not one of the poll's choices -- such is the level of political correctness at the SF Chronicle.

However, some 911 family members pointed out the refusal of government to do what is necessary to protect the nation.

[Link: www.washtimes.com...]

 "All the 9/11 family members know that their loved ones died because the government failed to live up to its most basic obligation to its citizens: to protect them from foreign attack," said Peter Gadiel, whose son was killed at the World Trade Center. "I say on behalf of my son and the other 3,000 dead and their families, that not only is Congress guilty of contributing to these deaths, but, unwilling to enact reforms, you will have on your hands the blood of the victims of the next 9/11."

September 10 was a blissfull day of ignorance, the last for many years to come. The end of trust and hope in our fellow man.
September 11 was the day the world of hate and jealousy came to our doorstep, and we showed the world what america was really about. new york redefined itself and a nation found a common ground.
September 12 has yet to be defined by us and history.

#27 publius
Why don't they all go crash over at Depp's pad in France? Seriously, if people don't like this country, why do they stay here or move here? I think it's a case of projection, they're really just full of self-loathing. I miss reading Mean Mr. Mustard's website that skewered Berzerkely after he went on prolonged hiatus.

Thank you Cox and Forkum for this very powerful image.

And thank you so very much, Charles, for providing us with littlegreenfootballs. There's over 1200 people here as I type this. I am sure that many if not most of them, like myself, are here to connect with other freedom-loving people on this sad day. TV ain't doing it for me today. Too impersonal.

This morning I sent my almost-15-year-old daughter off to school with the following admonition: "If anyone tries to tell you that America deserved what happened on 9-11, make sure they don't get away with it."

"Too late, Mom", she said. "There's a new kid from Canada who said that in History the other day. He almost didn't make it out of class alive." And I was wrong to worry about her overly "PC" teacher, apparently: "Mrs. Clark was going to let us beat him up, too." :-)

Teach your children; they are our hope.

littleoldlady

i found an interesting article last night from the arab world, an apology if you will. the Time article is over a year old, so please forgive me if you have already read it. An apology from an arab

But beneath their claims is a sadder truth: these extremists are pathologically jealous. They feel like dwarfs, which is why they search for towers and all those who tower mightily. We must admit that we failed to teach these people that life is worth living.

Brenda,

Once again you are 100% on the mark

It seems today practical clarity is the in the mainstream

Telling the truth, being honest is no longer a virtue

9.11 reminded us of our own stupid faults

our own self-imposed weaknesses

9.11 did not have to happen

Our "Liberals" have doomed us

If we are not willing to confront thhm and fight them to protect ourselves we are forever doomed - all of us

#36 littloldlady,

you brought a smile to my ugly face.

32, 33: It's pretty obvious with that Chronicle poll, as with most others, that they only want to get one answer. Those choices all stink.
Regarding the failure of the United States government (quote in #33), absolutely on point. And the moral calculus of this country still gives greater weight to not offending PC sensitivities than to making us safe. How can the border still not be sealed? How can we not justify scrunitizing young Muslims in this country, especially those on tourist and student visas.
In my former life (pre 9/11), my above comments would have offended me. But this is life and death, right? The only comfort I have is knowing that Islamofascists will kill the Bay Area LLL just as fast as they would kill me. Cold comfort, I guess.

Tell the Children the Truth

Never Forgive

Never Forget

brilliant as always. thank you lgf for introducing me to c&f.

"Never again" means that we don't be complacent. That we take the battle to them. That we kill them before they kill us.

And that's all we can do. But again, I ask you: Does anyone honestly think that strategy is going to prevent a major attack from ever happening again? Does anyone who reads LGF day in and day out believe we're not going to see one or more American cities destroyed by atomic bombs sometime in the not-so-distant future? What will our slogan be when that happens? "Never again--and this time we mean it"?

The only way to really ensure that it never happens again is for Muslim societies to radically change their politics, and fast. And I hate to break it to you, folks, but that ain't gonna happen. So get ready, and pray that when the bomb hits it hits in your city. Because the only thing worse than dying in that attack would be surviving it.

publius, Ariel
The place to complain, as if it will make a difference, is:
polls@sfgate.com
I sent them an email, but can only imagine someone reading about four words before deleting. Oh well.

#8 Plato...

Yes, no doubt, the reference to the Holocaust is intended.

But the cartoon hangs out there like a challenge. And meanwhile, CNN blares out the warning that another catastrophic terror attack may come today. (Anything to curry favor with advertisers and readers.)

While the Cox and Forkum choice of "never again" resonates with this Jew, I think I'd have preferred the caption "never forget" because at least this dictum we can control.

publius, Doss, Ariel -

Part of my job is writing surveys and such - and I can tell you, that is one lame, skewed poll. They have two "leftist" options - help the poor Palestinians, stop the occupation of Iraq - one "moderate" option (Osama), one "right-wing" option (homeland security), and one "null" option. That's a bias right there.

I could deconstruct the specific language, too, but this is OT, so I won't. But I will note that they omit any option that acknowledges that this a global problem that needs to be addressed globally. So they don't have "Fight global terrorism" or "Impose sanctions on terror-supporitng countries."

It's very telling.

The fluttering pieces of paper, almost incidental to the punishing image of the choking smoke, appear like birds before the vast tower, thoughtlessly going on about their day; hardly larger, in dimension at least, are the falling bodies. But in significance, what appears to be as nearly peripheral to the scene as the debris from the burning building, these tiny figures -- small enough, as in actual photographs, to reach out and pluck from the air, but somehow so large and heavy that their impact will continue to resound through the generations -- freeze the gaze in hopeless despair: There is no way to stop this.

This time. And that is why 'Never Again' is at once an epitaph and a creed: An end to innocence long foretold, and a promise to 'never again' be so blind to Evil.

The size of the cartoon is perfect, and makes the experience of it truly interactive: You are forced to scroll down to the inevitable. But unlike the victims, we can scroll back up.

Scratch that: We can't go back either. We can't afford to.

Cox and Forkum's book will be well represented in my Christmas gift giving. I'll be giving a copy to my brother and one to a friend, as well as asking for my own copy. Maybe we should start pressing some websites like NRO, Weekly Standard, and FrontPage to carry their cartoons.

I don't buy in to that inevitability notion that NC believes in. Surely the anti-American fanaticism will not go away soon, but I think we can keep enough pressure on the enablers, moneychangers, and facilitators to keep another major attack from occurring. Those are the ones that will realize which side of their bread is buttered. September 11 happened because we were perceived as weak. The smart people out there now know that isn't the case.

A History Channel Watching Guy e-mails:
On the way to work, I was listening to the radio and caught an “On This Day in History” segment sponsored by The History Channel. It talked about how the twin towers and the Pentagon were attacked by “International Hijackers”.

International Hijackers???

Conspicuously missing (IMO) were the words “terrorists”, “Islamic”, and “extremists”.

From the Corner,

Is not the History Channel a US Government sponsored channel?

And if so can our own government not be honest with it self and us?

Extremely moving words from Solicitor General Ted Olson, from his address at the Justice Dept. this morning, in light of his own personal tragedy 2 years ago today. I can't imagine where he gets the strength.

'We Shall Prevail'

NEVER unless....

we get wobbly again and our thrist for truth and justice fade.
But really what this a boils down to is until we press our leaders to speak the truth and to seek justice for all that desire to harm us, we will get no where. This can never happen while making deals and compromising through appeasement, pandering and protection. Sadly as I write I know this is only a pipe dream.

In reality it is not enough to never forget for unless the world sets itself on another course remembering amounts to little. Until TRUTH is spoken more easily then it is to LIE where will go?

OT: I was just forwarded this email. I can't vouch for its accuracy, but it's a worthwhile reminder of the people who are braving the shitstorm on our behalf.

I sat in my seat of the Boeing 767 waiting for everyone to hurry and Stow their carry-ons and grab a seat so we could start what I was sure to be a long, uneventful flight home. With the huge capacity and slow moving people taking their time to stuff luggage far too big for the overhead and never paying much attention to holding up the growing line behind them, I simply shook my head knowing that this flight was not starting out very well.

I was anxious to get home to see my loved ones so I was focused on "my" Issues and just felt like standing up and yelling for some of these clowns to get their act together. I knew I couldn't say a word so I just thumbed through the "Sky Mall" magazine from the seat pocket in front of me. You know it's really getting rough when you resort to the over priced, useless sky mall crap to break the monotony.

With everyone finally seated, we just sat there with the cabin door open and no one in any hurry to get us going although we were well past the scheduled take off time. No wonder the airline industry is in trouble I told myself.

Just then, the attendant came on the intercom to inform us all that we were being delayed. The entire plane let out a collective groan. She resumed speaking to say "We are holding the aircraft for some very special people who are on their way to the plane and the delay shouldn't be more than 5 minutes. The word came after waiting six times as long as we were promised that "I" was finally going to be on my way home. Why the hoopla over "these" folks?

I was expecting some celebrity or sport figure to be the reason for The hold up......... Just get their butts in a seat and lets hit the gas I thought.

The attendant came back on the speaker to announce in a loud and excited voice that we were being joined by several U. S. Marines returning home from Iraq!!! Just as they walked on board, the entire plane erupted into applause. The men were a bit taken by surprise by the 340 people cheering for them as they searched for their seats. They were having their hands shook and touched by almost everyone who was within an arm's distance of them as they passed down the aisle. One elderly woman kissed the hand of one of the Marines as he passed by her. The applause, whistles and cheering didn't stop for a long time.

When we were finally airborne, "I" was not the only civilian checking his conscience as to the delays in "me" getting home, finding my easy chair, a cold beverage and the remote in my hand.

These men had done for all of us and I had been complaining silently about "me" and "my" issues. I took for granted the everyday freedoms I enjoy and the conveniences of the American way of life I took for granted others paid the price for my ability to moan and complain about a few minutes delay to "me" those Heroes going home to their loved ones.

I attempted to get my selfish outlook back in order and minutes before we landed I suggested to the attendant that she announce over the speaker a request for everyone to remain in their seats until our hero's were allowed to gather their things and be first off the plane. The cheers and applause continued until the last Marine stepped off and we all rose to go about our too often taken for granted everyday freedoms......... I felt proud of them.

I felt it an honor and a privilege to be among the first to welcome them home and say Thank You for a job well done. I vowed that I will never forget that flight nor the lesson learned.

I can't say it enough, THANK YOU to those Veterans and active servicemen and women who may read this and a prayer for those who cannot because they are no longer with us.

GOD BLESS AMERICA! WELCOME HOME! AND THANKS FOR A JOB WELL DONE !!!!!

This is a ribbon for soldiers fighting in Iraq. Pass it on to everyone and pray. Send this on to brighten a service persons' day. or Maybe you can brighten the day of a family member of a service persons. Either way you are letting them know, there are still good people in our country.

#21 Blue Star

The September 11th attacks were one of the most evil and cowardly events in history. AND BUSH is an incompetent boob.

Deal with it.

I've been putting up links about 9-11 today - I've used some links from the last few LGF threads. I always find great link leads here as well as good debates and stories. Keep on rocking, Charles.

This cartoon is brilliantly conceived and drawn.
Bravo!
Cox & Forkum ought to give lessons to the idiot cartoonist that drew the crappy one in the Arab newspaper, above.

#36 littleoldlady

Thanks for what I imagine will be a rare smile today. My father was a teacher back in the old days, so it took me a long time to figure out how really bad, as in PC, things are in schools today. Good to hear it is not universal.

#55 DR

May the Lizardoid master forgive me...

OK, I'll bite.

BUSH is an incompetent boob.

How, exactly? Or are you incapable of anything more challenging than playground name-calling?

#11, #24:

With those choice, who in their right mind would bother to pick any of them?

The way to end islamic terrorism is to face what we are in: a global total war of civilizations, where our enemy consists of 1.2 billion muslims. The logical conclusion is to start USING that massively superior firepower which we have and bring it to bear on our enemies with such force that they will be left in TRUE Shock and Awe.

Nations that lost 10% of their population overnight and are treated to pictures of glass-paved capitals do NOT want more of the same... and if they do, it can be easily delivered.

Destruction of Islam as a significant force in the world and expulsion/internment of the fifth column at home would go a long way towards removing from the enemy both the will and the ability to do more harm. But people simply refuse to understand that violence and terrorism against infidels is an integral part of Islam... so they advocate "wars on terror", "let's kill Hamas leaders", maybe even "let's kill Arafat and loudest supporters of Hamas" if they think they're advocating a really "hard" line... as if that would solve the problem.

The only thing that can bring some real, lasting security is a crushing application of military force on the world of islam, brought to an end by either:
1. Total defeat and confinement from the rest of the world
2. Defeat, occupation and generation-long cultural reprogramming operation of the islamic world
3. Near-complete genocide

That's tough choices, but the only 4th alternative is to keep taking it in the chin from muslims and let innocent blood flow. Slowly but surely the demographics will deliver victory to islam and one by one muslims will become the majority religion in the western countries...

I say the western civilization, weak and diluted as it may have become, is still worth saving. Start with option 1 or 2 and proceed to 3 if it doesn't work.

The line between life and death was the 91st floor.

Imagine if the place had hit lower.

#58 Brenda, #36 littleoldlady

I was working in radio on 9/ll. Most of my collegues were 20-somethings. I was (& remain) struck by the near-uninamity re: their resolve that this was evil, and it needed to be dealt with as such.

I've since changed careers, but have stayed in touch with many of my former colleagues. Their resolve hasn't waned.

I hope the washed-up hippie L3ers don't mind looking over their shoulders. The new boss ain't gonna be the old boss.

Columnist Stanley Crouch has it right...

Only wartime tactics will secure U.S. now

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

There is now the idea that we should just let as many people in from the Islamic world as ever because otherwise we're profiling Arabs. My attitude is that this doesn't apply during a war. People couldn't immigrate from Japan or Italy or Germany during World War II. That's a norm.

Remember, Remember! Eleventh September!

The Port Authority tapes - article and interactive site (link on the right).

#59 Brianstein

No need to ask for forgiveness for a troll I am not. The post to which I was referring suggested that one who hates terrorists and feels a paralyzing mixture of rage and sadness today must support Bush. I take exception to that. I am neither a traitor nor a coward BUT I think Bush is doing a terrible job. Why is this considered a duplicitous position? Tell me, I want to know.

Re #43 NC:

The only way to really ensure that it never happens again is for Muslim societies to radically change their politics, and fast. And I hate to break it to you, folks, but that ain't gonna happen.

Then we have to change them from the outside. See also Afghanistan; Iraq

#61 Yehudit
Similarly, I heard on the PBS special the other night about the WTC that if the planes had struck an hour later, there would have been lots more casualties since a lot of people hadn't yet made it to work. Combine that with the heroics of the NYFD and it's a stroke of luck that we're only talking about 3,000 killed instead of 50,000 or 60,000.

#66 DR

Point out where I called you "duplicitous", and I'll be properly contrite. I AM guilty of too quickly scanning over Blue Star’s post, particularly the part about anyone opposing Bush being a traitor.

I have plenty of problems with Bush. As a limited govt conservative, for example, I have nothing but contempt for “compassionate conservatism” – tax & spend in Republican clothing.

All I’ve asked of you is an explanation of why W is an “incompetent boob.”

I have a meeting in a few. It may be a while before I respond. But respond I will.

DR - still waiting for your answer on the President's
incompetence.

or just maybe....

you support Dr. Dean and the other 8 dwarfs. LOL!

do you like the color yellow?

does a red flag inspire you?

do you have a new found interest in Noam Chomsky?

are you learning basic Arabic in preparation for your
own personal dhimmitude?

pathetic

For the Fallen
by Godfrey Byng

"They Shall Grow Not Old
As We who are Left Grow Old
Age Shall Not Weary Them
Nor the Years Condemm
At the Going Down of the Sun
And in the Morning
We Shall Remember Them!"

09/11/01
NEVER FORGET!
NEVER FORGIVE!

OT:

I'm a grad student at UCSD. This is what I got in the email today.

UCSD
CAMPUS NOTICE
University of California, San Diego

OFFICE OF THE CHANCELLOR

September 11, 2003

MESSAGE FROM CHANCELLOR DYNES

Dear Colleagues:

As we observe the second anniversary of September 11, 2001, I hope our campus community will use this occasion to ponder the lessons we learned from that terrible day.

The September 11 tragedy inflicted a pain and a grief on this nation that will never go away, but it also taught us that we can stand up to hate if we stand together. The heroes of that day - the victims in their final moments, the emergency workers who tried to save them, and the loved ones who have mourned them since - taught us that courage and dignity are among our greatest human assets. And above all else, we learned that respect for diversity is more than a noble
concept; it has become the key to our survival.

...

-----------------------------

Am I reading between the lines that 9/11 was America's fault for maybe not showing enough "respect for diversity"? I think there are many lessons to be learned from 9/11, but appeasement "respect for diversity" is not on the top of my list!.

LLL comment: "It's all about me. Me. ME! ME!"

American: "Weep for the families that have lost a father, mother, child, friend, partner. Weep for your fallen police and firemen. Weep for the ones who will tomorrow fall, as we in our rage and anger and hope react by saying 'We will not die. We cannot be killed.'"

Read Lileks today. No other words.

#69 Brainstein

It wasn't my intention to accuse you of calling me duplicitous. I am referring to the fact that too often I am categorized as terrorist-enabler when I criticize the President. I am getting SICK of it. It was also not my intention to begin a discussion as to why I have little confidence in Bush but you asked so I must respond.

- I think his domestic economic policy is terrible. I do not blame him entirely for the sorry state of the economy but his policies have certainly exacerbated an already crappy situation.
- Massive tax cuts (during wartime!)which put the lions share of the cash in the pockets of those who don't need it.
- A seeming lack of will to snuff out corporate malfeasance which itself has undermined confidence in the markets.
- Cuts to veteran's benefits.
- Massive military expenditures but very little for the actual people fighting for our freedom.
- The seeming lack of a coherent post-war plan for Iraq which is undermining support of the average Iraqi citizen.
- The ROADMAP and the general waffling when it comes to the Israeli/Palestinian CF

I could go on but I have to go to the bathroom. oops. There I go over-sharing again!

I hate to speak ill of the President today, because I think his moral leadership after the 911 attacks was first rate. However, he continues to maintain the open-borders agenda that was at least partially responsible for the terrorist strike. There is no good reason to have open borders during wartime, as Stanley Crouch point out in the piece I posted above (#63).

We cannot allow an undefended border and still protect our national security, yet Mr. Bush continues to push for the idiotic final provision of NAFTA, the trucking part that will allow substandard Mexican trucks to travel freely throughout the nation.

[Link: www.nwanews.com...]

There are environmental concerns which have stalled the implementation of NAFTA trucking, but the terrorist threat is obvious. Only 1-2 percent of current Mexican trucks (which are now allowed in a 20-mile range north of the border) are inspected. It would be easy for al Qaeda to ship WMD to Mexico and then drive the stuff across to anyplace in America.

When it's a choice for Bush between national security and pandering to perceived Mexican interests, national security has lost every time, I'm sorry to say.

Unemployment is at record levels yet Bush and many other Reeps support a "guest worker" plan, in which the guests never leave. Any talk of amnesty increases the illegal influx across the border, making it easier for terrorists to slip through.

#70 Blue Star

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OT

This may be a flying pig moment, but here is an excerpt from the very liberal San Jose Mercury News' article on the 9/11 anniversary by David Early.

"We have learned, for example, that Islam is a beautiful religion, embraced by more than a billion worshipers worldwide. College courses on the subject are packed.

Which makes me wonder, why do Islam's loudest voices belong to fanatics and murderers? What about the others -- the bountiful scholars, philosophers and educators? Where are their urgent calls for tolerance and world peace?"

I sincerely hope others ask these same questions.

It is important to remember those who either belittle America's endeavor, or outright hope for America's defeat:

The New York Times
January 29, 2002

The Great Divide

By Paul Krugman

I predict that in the years ahead Enron, not Sept. 11, will come to be seen as the greater turning point in U.S. society.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

And then there's this:

The Nation magazine
September 22, 2003 issue

The Importance of Losing the War

By Jonathan Schell

Biden says we must win the war. This is precisely wrong. The United States must learn to lose this war -- a harder task, in many ways, than winning, for it requires admitting mistakes and relinquishing attractive fantasies.

[Link: www.alternet.org...]

DR

U = C-O-W-A-R-D

#79 Blue Star

Any time, any place, any topic.

Hurry along now, the school bus is waiting. The short one.

#26 Egfrow

We may see differently what is wrong with the world, but I can certainly see what's wrong with you. Your words provide a telling definition of your atheism: selfishness. You interpret the falling bodies as man reaching out only for his "personal needs," that man must tend to himself before the greater good.

The falling bodies (and the "Creation of Man" tableaux) remind us of the true relationship between God and man, and correct the perversion of that relationship by those who pick and choose from the Quran. The God I believe in says the correct solution to the challenge presented is the complete removal of these people from the earth.

#11

as a Bay Area resident I am ashamed at many of the attitudes people in the Bay have regarding this - the blinding naivete that somehow the filthy terrorists will stop killing us once Israel relents

/shame

Ditto on steve miller's (#73) recommendation: read Lileks today.

The picture at the top of this page earlier this week - that blue abstract swirl - was a sliver taken from a 9/11 camera feed. It’s the cloud that rolled through lower Manhatttan when the towers fell. Paper, steel, furniture, plastic, people. The man who took the picture inhaled the dust of the dead. Somewhere lodged in the lung of a New Yorker is an atom that once belonged to a man who went to work two years ago and never came back.

Also:

Of course, the moonbats are out today. I just passed a ragged bunch protesting, er, something, in front of the White House. A small, incredibly dirty-looking group, mostly aged hippies with a few 20-something trustafarians. Noted for the record: "9/11 was the fault of US foreign policy"; "US is the terrorist state"; and of course, "Israel = [swastika]". Most people stroll by paying no attention to them. The Secret Service of this "fascist, terrorist" state probably won't even direct an unkind word to them all day, or fail to address them as "sir" or "ma'am" if they need to address them at all.

By the way, here's what "never again" means to our President on September 11, 2003. Way to go, George.

From Dom #17

There is a warning on the "Magnificent 19" website barring Muslims from participating in the minute of silence in rememberance of the victims of 9/11
Because it is against their religion to do so!!!!

"It should be known that it is prohibited in Islam to celebrate the life or death of any person and it is forbidden for any Muslims to take part in the 'one-minute silence" on September 11th, the Prophet Mohammad said: Whoever imitates a people becomes one of them....

OK ... Does anyone see the contradiction in the Islamic similarities to a Death Cult????
Pali Death Swarms?
The deification of splodeydopes?
Islamic martyr worship?

This website even makes reference to the "Magnificent 19" as the "Nineteen Angels"

Watch out for the moderate muslims, galloping in on their unicorns, to denounce this attack.

DR writes:

Hurry along now, the school bus is waiting. The short one.

By "short bus" you are of course referring to the small bus typically used for bringing disabled children to and from school.

Nice move.

Any other groups of individuals you would like to denigrate?
 

#72 GMB

It's amazing where anti-American agenda comes up.

I work for a subsidiary of a MAJOR US company - we have offices all around the world. Our chairman sent out a message saying:

"all United States locations will display the American flag at half-staff on Thursday, September 11."

I asked, why the distinction? Why won't our French office have the American flag at half staff?

The response was that it was because the events only occurred 'here'. They came just short of calling it an American Holiday.

Short of it: they don't want to advertise their American-ness. And I think that sucks.

#87 William
I wasn't trying to insult the disabled, I was suggesting that Blue Star was mentally challenged. Come to think of it, equating Blue Star with disabled childred IS an insult to the kids. Thanks to the PC Police for keeping me in line.

I apologize to all LGF posters for this stupid quibbling in which I have been engaged. This thread is about remembering the terrible events of 9-11 and I have allowed myself to be sidetracked by a pointless exchange of insults with another poster. I did not mean to denegrate the memory of the victims and heroes of that fateful day. I let my emotions get the better of me and for that I am truly shameful. It ends here.

#72 GNB
I couldn't agree with you more. I work for UCSD too and when I read that email--what the f***?!?
The Chancellor never lets a memo get by where diversity isn't worshipped and it's appalling, yet typical, that he would use the anniversary of September 11 to spew some more of his hogwash.
Is he celebrating the diversity that allowed some of the 9/11 hijackers to assimilate quite nicely into San Diego and the mosque in Clairemont?

Hey DR. You're a classy kinda guy. When you take your show on the road, who's your opening act, Hitler?

Oops. Didn't I just commit some sort of newsgroup faux pas? Darn....

#76 DR....

I think I'm beginning to have a bad influence on people.

#10 NC

"Never again" began on flight 93.

Never again will Americans sit idly by as islamic fuckers take over a plane.

Never again will we simplistically believe that if we leave others alone, we're not in danger.

Some people will never catch on, but they're used to being the prey anyway.

And life's gonna be mighty uncomfortable for a whole lot of islamorons for the next few decades.

I only hope that there's a way to rise up against the next attack before it claims too many.

I think never again means Americans will never again be willing lambs to the slaughter.

bird woman #88

It's almost as if they are ashamed to be American...

Kina #91

You're absolutely right. Many bad elements have probably entered this country abusing the warm hospitality in the name of "diversity". But good luck trying to find them without offending somebody's feelings, you know what will happen if you accidentally do that...

You're also right about how sickening this worship of diversity is. What makes it even worse is the selective type of diversity that is enforced: they want the campuses to be full of people from all races and colors.. but all with the same LLL opinions. When people attempt to voice an opinion that does not abide by the LLL's PC line there is a tremendous backlash. There are whole departments where the entire faculty consists of people holding the same LLL views (see threads about Cornell etc., on this site).

And I thought the most important enriching stimuli for academic advancement are discussions due to diversity of opinions... my wrong.

What, no link to today's Victor Davis Hanson?

Okay, so it's not Friday. You're forgiven, Charles. Now, go read it. It's great.

NC (#84): At first blush I agreed with you about State coming out against exiling Arafat. But then I thought again. I don't know if I'm right about this, but it could be that there's a deeper message.

I was at first very angry that Bush didn't make a public adress right after the bus bombing 2 weeks ago. What was pointed out then, although I didn't buy it at the time, was that by not coming out with the usual admonitions of moderation in response, it was a tacit understanding that there would be no repercussions to finally taking the gloves off.

The wording of this official disapproval of exiling Arafat, to me, is very interesting. It is similar to when the so-called "moderate" members of the "Palestinian" "leadership" "denounce" suicide bombing by saying that it's not helpful to their cause, not because it's wrong. Essentially, that's what's being said here. Not that it would be wrong to expell him because he's the "elected" president, or any other justification, but that having him roaming the world would be worse. And yet, it is clear to anyone with a functioning brain that as long as he is in Ramallah and calling the shots, not one step will be taken on the roadmap, especially in light of Abu Mazen's resignation speech.

I see it as a tacit message that if Israel drops a JDAM on his head and puts him out of the world's collective misery, that there won't be much of an outcry from the White House.

As far as the UCSD Chancellor's smarmy message, I think someone ought to call him on it and remind him that there was enormous diversity in the victims of 9/11. There was no diversity among the perpetrators: they were all young arab muslim men who hated the diversity and freedom to be diverse that the US has always represented. To preserve the diversity that he treasures so much, we must be relieved of radical islam and pan-arabism. Whatever it takes. Tolerance has to go both ways. We are not obliged to tolerate the intolerant. The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

Amen v'amen. Let's hope it's never again, indeed.

God rest them all. And may God avenge their blood.

#97 mommydoc

"someone ought to call him on it and remind him that there was enormous diversity in the victims of 9/11. There was no diversity among the perpetrators"

Nail. On. The. Head.

#100 DR: why, sure there was diversity among the perpetrators: after all, a few of them weren't Saudis...

Suggested statment of condolence by Bush after learning of the untimely death of Arafat. " Well,-- it was time to move on anyways".

@90 DR

Thank you. I've been reading the tit for tat for some time now. My neck is getting stiff.
I was going to suggest to all who post here, we are all in the same boat, mates. We need to keep the information flowing, I am learning from you all...except the trolls naturally.

sarcasm

Well that's not true, I learned how to cut and paste from trolls.

/sarcasm

I don't think I have ever posted a link to my own comments on antother thread, but today seems just the right day to start doing it. We owe it to all the vicitms:

"Yidn, shreibt un farshreibt!"

The Wall Street Journal [Link: www.opinionjournal.com...] published a commie email address that was advertising for "anti-Bush" workers to prepare signs and video tapes for an anti-9/11 demonstration at Ground Zero today. I saw some of them with a large rolled out banner saying "Bush engineered 9/11" the cops surrounded them to keep them from being killed by the remarkably civil crowd that was down there grieving. The snake's address is

fortypercentoff@aol.com

send them some love.

Mommydoc, amen!

#101 O.R.

When people who seem to have no allegiance to any particular nation but are drawn together by shared hatred I say they have NO cultural diversity. They have no culture at all.

Hmm. Thanks for the response, DR. I'll try to reply more completely tonight when I'm at home. In the interim... You and I will NEVER agree on taxes and tax cuts. I could go on endlessly on this (one of my favorite topics), but it has little to do with this thread (as you've pointed out).

I suspect we're in complete agreement on the Roadmap To Lunacy.

It was also not my intention to begin a discussion as to why I have little confidence in Bush but you asked so I must respond.

You may want to re-evaluate that approach, when you’re sounding off in a forum dedicated to the discussion of current events. Dropping bombs like “[insert target] is a [insert insult]” (as you did in #55), without even the slightest effort to substantiate the position is generally the signature of a troll. However, you did provide some substance (much of which I disagree with) to try & support the assertion, so I can’t call you a troll. You’re willing & able to engage in reasoned debate (trolls aren’t).

#87 William – Nothing is accomplished by looking for insult where none is intended.

I've returned to the attached link a number of times over the past year. Unfortunately, it's still relevant:

[Link: capmag.com...]

Bless this board...it's one of the few places I can visit where the righteous fury we should ALL feel in the wake of this atrocity isn't buried under an avalanche of mawk.

We can't win this war as a people, a culture and a nation if all we do in observance of that terrible day is conduct candlelight vigils and focus on "remembrance, healing, and prayers for peace" (this from a poster for a gathering in my neighborhood last night).

Peace, my fat white hegemonic American ass!

mommydoc #97,

someone ought to call him on it and remind him that there was enormous diversity in the victims of 9/11. There was no diversity among the perpetrators

Exactly right. That should be repeated to every "diversity" advocate preaching more Muslim immigration so that we can understand them better.

#110 Ariel

"...preaching more Muslim immigration..."

Holy Crap. Did I miss something? Who the hell has been preaching THAT? It's somehow snuck in under my radar.

After looking and listening today at some of the things that have been written I have a new appreciation for the War on Terror. It no longer seems unorganized and haphazard. This phase, it seems to me, is simply an exploratory exercise. We are discovering, in great detail, who is behind the war. We are killing and capturing the enemy when we can. But we are also taking names.
And if the enemy succeeds in doing it again, taking out an American city, for example, we will know where to send the missiles and their nuclear payloads.

For all you American posters here - my thoughts are with you (all day already). I saw on tv (here in Israel on the news) a fragment of a concert that was being held this evening in memory of the victims of this tragedy of 2 years ago, on Har Hatsofeem (what's English for that?). Beautiful.

Sacrifice, Justice, Peace

#37 RIP Ford

That was an excellent article. Thank-you for the link. I hope they don't kill the author, too.

#111

Who's "preaching more Muslim immigration"? Try the Bush administration, courtesy of Colin Powell, as cited in this very weblog on 11/19/02:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

#113 Tsedek: thank you. We're in this together.

First things first…
Thank you Cox & Forkum. Your image brought tears to my eyes.

And now…

#74 DR

- Massive tax cuts (during wartime!)which put the lions share of the cash in the pockets of those who don't need it.

Have I mentioned just how much a statement like this really pisses me off? I mean imagine; the people who paid the lion's share getting their own share back. Who in the blue HELL are you to dictate who "needs" their own %^$&!@#$!%% money back, money they EARNED!!!! This is not a gift! It's not some "be nice to rich people day." They're the people who paid it and they're the people who get it back. They're also the ones most likely able to do something constructive with it.

Due to my lowly economic status, I'll be the first to admit that a.) I don't deserve a tax cut/rebate/return and b.) I can't do nearly as much with one as somebody who might reinvest it so as to create jobs.

While I might be persuaded to agree that the timing of the tax cut sucks, the idea of using the Federal Government for redistributing wealth is reprehensible. If you want to adhere to a policy of envy go right ahead. Just don't expect to receive a pass upon voicing such advocacy.

#117 Ntropy

First of all, I think the government should implement a tax policy whereby EVERYONE is taxed the lowest possible amount that would still sustain the basic necessities of the system. Secondly, Warren Buffet himself criticized the efficacy of tax cuts to the wealthiest 1% of the population who are simply goint to roll that money back into the stock market. There is a real disconnect between investing in the stock market (which is largely speculative) and investing in concrete things that will actually benefit everyone. I want to go into more detail but I have to go. As for who the hell I am, I'm just a guy with an opinion. Like you.

#118 DR

First of all, I think the government should implement a tax policy whereby EVERYONE is taxed the lowest possible amount that would still sustain the basic necessities of the system.

I agree in theory. Sooooo what are the basic necessities and who makes that decision? I'm firmly libertarian / independent / anti-federalist on this so my ideas would certainly conflict with those on the left.

Also, if you truly believe in such a system, how can you possibly speak against those who are well-off getting their own back? The wealthy carry an inordinate part of the tax load. This tax rebate/cut could be viewed simply as a move to equalize things said tax burden.

I'd be much more likely to agree (and less likely to be beligerant) if you'd argued that any tax cut/rebate right now is unwise, regardless of economic status.

#114 mickthemick
he is alive and living in cairo last i heard. thomas friedman had a program on the middle east last night and this man took him to mohammed atta's old mosque. the regular prayers ended and then some young fuck started preaching the stereotypical hate that we hear about. almost 2/3 of those gathered left when he started speaking and all that was left were some of the young men. maybe there are some moderates, those that left, now if they would just stand up and clean their closets there might be hope. i'm just not going to hold my breath though....

A sentiment about the holocaust that applies well to September 11. Sadly, genocide has occurred after the Nazi holocaust (eg Rwanda) just like terrorism has happened after September 11.

Some people forget real fast, don't they?

The media in Australia has. The only special programming was a rerun by channel 7 of "How the Twin Towers Collapsed II". I'm scared that the media thinks we don't give a damn.

For the first time I find Cox and Forkum in bad taste.

Their style is too humorous for this kind of thing.

Drop it.

#123 Yair 9/11/2003 06:09PM PST

For the first time I find Cox and Forkum in bad taste.

Their style is too humorous for this kind of thing.

Drop it.

What? Bad taste??! Too humerous???!

What is the problem with an artistic rendering of an unspeakable horror?

I saw nothing in bad taste, or anything even resembling humour.

I saw tragedy. I will always remember their paean.

{Oh, it's Yair. Nevermind.}

Thank you, Cox and Forkum.
Thank you, Charles.
Thank you, Brianstien, for that heart lifting story about the Marines coming home on a late flight.
I flew my flag at half mast today. My heart was at a little lower than half mast. Your story came along just when I needed it.

Psalms Psalm 94 and 95:1-3.

O Lord, God of vengeance, come forth!
Rise up, Judge of the earth;
Give the wicked what they deserve.

O Lord, How long will the they exult?
How long will they boast of their deeds and flaunt their evil?
They crush Your people, O Lord; they afflict Your inheritance.
They slay the widow and the stranger; they murder the orphan.
They say, "The Lord does not see;
The God of Jacob is not paying attention."

Listen, brutes!
Fools, when will you wise up?
Doesn’t the One, who set the ear, hear?
Doesn’t the One, who formed the eye, see?
Doesn’t the One, who teaches man, know?
Won’t the One, who punishes nations, punish you;
The Lord knows your thoughts;
Stop kidding yourselves.

Happy is the man You correct, O Lord, the man You teach from Your Torah;
You give him refuge in times of trouble; while a pit is dug for the wicked.
The Lord will not forsake His people; He will not abandon His inheritance.
Judgment will accord with justice; And the upright will follow it.

Who will rise up for me against the wicked?
Who will take a stand for me against evildoers?
If the Lord had not been my help, I would soon have gone to the silence of the grave.
If I say, "My foot is slipping," Your kindness, O Lord, supports me.
When I am filled with cares; You sooth my troubled soul.

Can a tyrant be Your partner - one whose decrees are evil?
Tyrants conspire against the righteous;
And condemn the innocent to death.
But the Lord is my fortress;
My God is the rock that shelters me.
He reflects their wickedness back at them;
And will destroy them with their own evil;
The Lord, our God, will annihilate them.

Come, let us sing joyfully to the Lord,
Let us shout for joy to our rock and our redeemer.

Let us greet Him with thanksgiving,
Let us sing joyful hymns to Him.

For the Lord is a great God
And a great King over the heavens and the earth.

#81 John Smallberries

John, I don't know whether or not you are aware of this but Cox and Forkum are followers of Objectivism. They would not have given thier cartoon any religious signficance at all.
When falling from a building to our deaths, John, we are all the same. When it counts men will look to each other for support and not to higher power. There is no We without I. Your problem is you think atheism is souless and evil. You are labling me with the same mentality as a Palistinian lables a Jew as souless. You must have self respect before you can like and trust others and not project your fear and or weakness on others. H

I never said anything was wrong with you personaly. I said there is a difference. I never said which side was right or wrong. You only assumed as much, which really amplfies the difference I was reffering to in by previous post. You took it as an insult and an Affront to your believes.

Here my point and please pay attention.

God had as much to do with bringing down those towers down as he had with building them. It was men who built it and it was men who brought it down. One side likes thought they would build a great set of twin towers to honor men the other decided humans are not worthy and destroyed them. It was not God.

Egfrow

#127 Egfrow

I think this all stems from what we see in the image. Cartooning is certainly a subset of art, and art, by definition, only has value based on what an observer sees in it and what it evokes in his mind.

My original posting was a statement of its evocation for me. I saw and thought this: if you zoom in on the falling figures and spot-shadow the hands, it's a recreation of the "Creation of Man." That's it. I then took from that the symbolism of a message being passed down from God, a warning, an allegory, that this action and the culture behind it must be utterly stamped out.

As for Objectivism, it's been years since I read "Atlas Shrugged," and I remember coming away with a parable for personal responsibility and controlling your destiny. Actually, I did read Ayn Rand's novella "Anthem" just a few months ago, which was a story told in which the words "I" and "me" were replaced with "we" and "us," even when the narrator spoke in the first person. "Anthem" was written in 1937, so I took this as an Animal Farm-esque slam of the creeping collectivism and nascent communism in the world at the time.

I live in Minnesota, and we just went through a four-year Jesse Ventura governorship. The lunkhead is an atheist, and once made this enlightened quip: "Religion is for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers to feel good about themselves." One of my favorite writers, Kurt Vonnegut, is an atheist. Carl Sagan, whose TV shows and appearances I enjoyed, was an atheist. I don't mind if someone chooses to be an atheist, but I do mind if they take the Madelyn Murray-O'Hair approach and try to wipe out all vestiges of Christ in a nation that was founded upon, and the majority of whose citizens believe in, God.