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Arafat's Martyrs

Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 9:48:49 pm PDT

Tonight the world’s oldest terrorist emerged again from his stinking lair and told a huge crowd of chanting Palestinian Arabs, “To Jerusalem we are going as martyrs in the millions!”

Then he showed one of those “martyrs” to the mob:

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1 zulubaby  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 7:52:16pm

Looks like the Devil Child. Creepy 'photo.

2 Jewels (aka Julian)  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 7:52:19pm

Think I'm going to be ill.

3 Tasty Beverage  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 7:55:31pm

That child seems to be reacting quite appropriately to the evil she's so clearly sensing. Actually she just looks scared shitless staring at a crowd of demons.

I pity this child.

Everyone here who thinks Arab Muslims are sub-human savages needs to look at this baby and understand that they are indeed humans who are corrupted into debased savages by their society's culture, and the disgusting "values" of their parents.

Which I think is the greater crime. If they were born savages their behavior couldn't really be held against them. That poor little baby.

4 Paul  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 7:56:12pm

Sick, perverted and disgusting. Child abuse at its worst. This sick thug should be shot dead.

5 Joe  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 7:57:01pm

Bastard. Israel should have kept quiet about their plans and just offed him with a high-powered rifle from a quarter mile away. Express shock at his death, a blow to the palestinian people, let's all muster the courage to continue the peace process etc etc.

6 Zeus  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:00:35pm

#5 Yup...I don't know why they had to telegraph it, just kill the fucktard

7 AH  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:01:18pm

Seriously, why not jail him?

8 really grumpy  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:03:07pm

If I didn't know any better, I'd say that child is a dissenter.

9 quark2  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:03:14pm

GAK! That is awful! What kinds of contamination has that baby been exposed to?

Look carefully at that picture of arafart, look at the colour of his skin, and his teeth! I think the man is in poor health.
MrPol you could be right.

10 Model4  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:05:31pm

"Even the youngest Palestinians feel the effects of the Israeli occupation."
/BBC photo caption

I cannot stomach that picture.

Y'know, Israel could expel all American diplomats, and strongly suggest that all American tourists leave for their own safety. Announce that the strained diplomatic relationship is due to the US continuing to fund terrorists in the West Bank and Gaza. Bush would be hosed unless he got his shit straight quick, fast and in a hurry.

11 rockman  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:07:05pm

He would not hesitate to use that child as a shield if attacked. The kid knows it too...

12 Jetstorm  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:07:11pm

There are no words.

That child will have an explosives belt strapped to her waist and be used as a weapon against Israel in 15 years or so. By then she will be so completely indoctrinated into the sick culture of Jew-hatred and Islamo-supremacy she will have no clue as to the value of her own life or the lives of her victims. She will become completely, as Charles says so often, a "mindless kill-bot," a slave to a medieval cult that preaches hate and death.

All because that rotten evil man and his rotten evil masters and his rotten evil thugs of the rotten, evil, hateful, machine of destruction that is the Religion of Peace, cannot bear to part with 0.04% of the Arabian Peninsula, land that they never had a right to take and that they certainly don't have a right to live on now. Simply because Jews lived there before they did and want to live there again.

They truly are the Borg of Star Trek. Either we wipe them all out or they will kill all who resist them and assimilate the rest. I'm becoming more and more convinced of that grim future every day.

13 d  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:07:40pm

If Ariel Sharon did that, the UN Security Council would convene.

The poor kid is never going to live this down. How embarrasing to be not only groped by Arafat but to be dressed up in the colors of the Israeli flag at the same time. Sheesh, I thought that particular color combination (light blue, white) was big-time faux pas in the muqata.

14 Teacake  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:08:28pm

Sad commentary about mankind that so many are in support of that fiendish demon. If this picture doesn't wake up the zombies, nothing will.

15 Tomcat  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:08:58pm

Well if they are going to go to Jerusalem in the millions, what if they arrive only to find their holy mosque blown up to smithereens?

16 Teacake  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:10:57pm

He is the face of evil and no doubt his breath smellls like his butthole.

17 Jewels (aka Julian)  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:14:13pm

OT: Undaunted, MECHa seethed on and spat racialist garbage

[Link: aztlan.net...]

18 Teacake  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:15:39pm

Yeah, if they beseige Jerusalem, those very millions should be sprayed with millions of bullets. I think its show time... or showdown time.

19 Jewels (aka Julian)  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:18:31pm

OT: Found this site while crawling the net. These people are creepy and the articles are classic L3 material.

[Link: aztlan.net...]

20 Teacake  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:19:14pm

Jewels, it was about time that Jews got blamed for Mexico's problems. Guess having a country that starts with Me... is part of their problem

21 Teacake  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:22:21pm
Israel's thirty-five year occupation of Palestine enabled the Jewish state to perfect tactics that US troops will need in "house to house" combat in Baghdad

Maybe wholesale bombing of a city is the way to go?

22 NTropy  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:23:21pm

I followed a link from one of the other threads to this very same picture. I was just waiting until it became another of the "Palestinian Child Abuse" items. Lord Almighty, if this doesn't fit that discription nothing does.

23 foobar  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:24:25pm

Child Sacrifice should be declare illegal by the UN.

24 Glen Wishard  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:30:15pm

Millions of martyrs?

Maybe the State Department can get Arafat to compromise, and settle for 500,000 dead Palestinians by the year 2010, in the spirit of the hallowed Roadmap to Peace.

I don't think Allah will allow it, though. He's drunk on the fragrant blood of martyrs, and will never get enough to suit him.

25 evariste  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:30:40pm

d-Ha! You da shit.

26 Neo_Con  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:30:42pm

I think I'm going to vomit.

27 AB  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:31:43pm

The Palestinians are OBSESSED with using babies because they know it is key to their success in getting sympathy.

28 Model4  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:32:17pm

#20 Teacake: Interesting. Do you think the Jews may be about to suffer a form of brand dilution/market saturation? There never seemed to be a limit in the past on how many peoples could blame their woes on the hook-nosed vampires, but in this age of digital dissemination, those limits could be tested soon.

But the world does depend on international patent and copyright more and more. Can't let just anyone put the Nike swoosh-TM on their stuff and keep the brand strong. Maybe the usurpers can make the most of the situation, and have the Israeli government start selling licenses to other nations and organizations before they'd be allowed to do any scapegoating.

Of course long-standing users like the Muslim nations and France should be granted some consideration, but fees would be basically agreed upon based on the severity and frequency of slander usage. The more populated the country, the richer it is, and the more woes they need distracted from, the pricier the license would be. Then, if the for the first time in history there are too many people who want to demonize the J-E-W-S, further licenses simply would not be granted. And hey, these guys are supposed to be able to haul in the coins, right?

29 Tomcat  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:32:25pm

#23 Foobar

Foobar, I know fubar and you're no fubar. The PA is fubar.

30 evariste  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:33:47pm

You know what else should be illegal? Communist dictatorships-in-waiting (the PA) being allowed to call themselves liberation anything.

31 AH  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:34:20pm

#19 Jewels
Thanks for the wake-up.
I had no idea they, too, were so anti-semitic.

32 Steve Hall  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:34:45pm

Forget the Footballs ad is back on Google.

33 evariste  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:35:39pm

Every single part of it is a lie

Palestinian
Liberation
Organization

34 evariste  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:36:10pm

Cool, everyone click it a billion times and run out their adwords budget.

35 adam qadmon  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:36:56pm

when oh when will yassir learn the benefits of good dental hygene?

they call me yuck mouth 'cause i don't brush
and i like my teeth like this
they call me yuck mouth 'cause i don't brush
how about a little kiss?
i've got some beef in my teeth and some chicken too
ouch!
that's a cavity!
hey, that's new...

then again, does a tiger brush his teeth?

36 Model4  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:38:26pm

Steve Hall: Thanks! I'm guessing that only my first click would be billable, but if that's not the case, someone just let me know.

37 evariste  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:38:47pm

Weird, I just reloaded about 50 times and couldn't get it to show up.

38 AB  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:44:49pm

#36 Model4

Only once.

39 NTropy  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:47:36pm

#37 evariste

Weird, I just reloaded about 50 times and couldn't get it to show up.


Same here. I really REALLY want to run that ad budget through the roof too.

40 AB  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:49:14pm
41 Model4  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:52:25pm

Unbelievably Off Topic: Was checking out "tomorrow's" OpinionJournal fare, and they had an item on Jesse Jackson. Figured "What more is there to say about the guy, but it's good to get the message out." Well, the author Shelby Steele delivered a wallop. No new revelations, but a powerfully written and insightful piece.
[Link: www.opinionjournal.com...]

Actually, there are some parallels that can be applied to the WoT, but it is a stretch.

42 Teacake  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:52:46pm

# 28   Model4 - you sorta lost me with that one.

43 AB  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:52:49pm

Yahoo caught on.. finally!!!

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

Victory sign, not peace sign. They finally figured it out.

44 Talcott  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:53:10pm

Is this old news already? I've been out all day.

Powell Rejects French Timetable for Iraq

In an opinion piece in the French newspaper Le Monde, de Villepin wrote that a provisional government should be established in Iraq in a month, a draft constitution by the end of the year and elections next spring.

These jerkoffs are so transparent. They would try anything if only they could see us fail. Pathetic!

45 AB  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:57:30pm
Palestinians started throwing stones following thw prayers.

Their typo, not mine. Says a lot about them as news.

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

46 Glen Wishard  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 8:58:11pm

Julian:

These people are creepy and the articles are classic L3 material.

Well, they're based in Alta, California. And they host The Protocols of Zion in both English and Spanish.

Here is the ADL backgrounder on Aztlan, including their amazing discovery that Chandra Levy is alive and working for the Mossad.

47 papertiger  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 9:02:53pm

you Convinced me / I'm not voting for the Arafat/Abu ticket

seriously what do you expect Pres. Bush to do? We have our boys in harms way. Were trying to get other countries to send troops. That means Europe or the Middle East. There aren't any other choices.

If America endorces Israelis assasination of Arafat slim chance turns to zero chance.
And in the mean time 150,000 of our troops are in the shooting gallery.

If you Israelis are waiting for a green light from Uncle Sam (and I hope you are) don't hold your breath.

Hows the fence construction going? Well I hope

48 Mr. E. Train  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 9:10:04pm

Im certain that if Yes-sir Air-a-fart ever got on a bus he would need NO suicide belt. The overwhelming stench of halitosus and ass would kill everyone not able to instantly jump from the bus.

As for the kid... ever wonder why all NORMAL people hold children precious? Its because small children are the embodiment of possiblities. The limitless possibilities that await all people when they are young and thier life can go in ANY direction. The reason we cringe when we see these child abuse pics from the West Bank-Gaza is that the barbaric culture set up by Air-a-fart slams shut the door to every possible future for those children but one... the life of a hate filled, un-educated, zombie like living bomb.

There is a special hot tub in hell for people who commit this kind of evil.

49 Ima Dhimmi  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 9:12:08pm

We musn't impose our cultural values on the Palestinians. That way leads to hate.

Instead, I feel we should try to understand the context in which they act in ways we don't agree with.

We can choose the way of compassion, understanding and love, or we can sink to the level of the very people we claim superiority over.

Reject hate

/....

50 Paul of Arabia  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 9:19:08pm

Palestinian TV has been going completely OTT with stirring "Abu Amar" music videos. Kinda reminds me of the Saddam video fest we had on Iraqi TV just before the signal went out for good. They've also had another of the interminable "phone-in-and-rant" shows so beloved by Arabic TV. The presenter sits in the studio going "Na'am, na'am, na'am" while the caller seethes, rants, screams, hollers and bellows. I sure wish I had the Strepsils Sore Throat Pastil concession for the Middle East. Only callers supporting the world'd oldest terrorist are allowed, though. Other opinions are quickly cut off by another Arafat Music video (and yes, they are as grim as they sound.)

51 AB  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 9:21:40pm

#49 Ima Dhimmi

Are you serious? They are stealing liberty from the lives of their own children, and additionally, using that to kill lives of those they hate.

Murder is murder. I am not expected to tolerate it. They would not tolerate me.

I "understand" the way they think and it is dangerous for everyone. Let's pretend I don't understand them, but in the future I will. When I do finally understand them, where will it go from here? Are they going to understand everyone else in return? Why aren't you asking them to understand the civilized world's concerns?
Abiding and negotiating has not worked with them. What are you asking for from the Israelis? Surrender?

..
P.S. I know you were being sarcastic.

52 Infidel Kaffir  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 9:27:09pm

Depraved, disgusting motherfucker.

Is she young enough to be his bride? Like the false prophet took when she was but 6 years old?

Excuse me while I go and puke.

53 papertiger  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 9:32:05pm

Dam Paul

the way you describe TVArafat no wonder they have suicide volunteers.

54 paul  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 9:40:04pm
If you Israelis are waiting for a green light from Uncle Sam (and I hope you are) don't hold your breath.

Papertiger-

How do we know that Israel doesn't have a green light? Sharon has been incredibly restrained for the last two years. He's earned enough pr victories to be allowed some leeway, seems to me. Whether they put a bullet through Arafish's alcoholic-looking red face or exile him to G_d-forsaken France, I'm sure Israel has earned the US's trust in this gruesome pr war with these terrorists.

55 zulubaby  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 10:09:38pm
56 Crusade Now  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 10:12:09pm

The only way to stop this death cult fantasy, and believe me from a conversation I had with a would be jihadi in Wood Green London, its taking off everywhere "we embrace death and are not afraid of it"....is to liquidate the proponents of it - the palestinian leadership and various Imams around the world. Israel (or a renegade group of people - whatever happened to the Shalhevet Pass Brigades??) needs to bomb the next Hamas funeral and then the subsequent funerals. That will be the end of Hamas. Just warn them that if they take part they get their wish.....Its no good killing the head as they are trying to do FINALLY now. You have to make it so painful for the supporters etc that their family begs them not to have anything to do with Hamas or any other radical islamic group. I have heard enough anti-Israel propaganda that makes it seem as if Israel is already doing this so they might as well. Israel needs to adopt Michael Stone tactics - terrorise the mourners. The IRA only came to the negotiating table once the Loyalists had outkilled the IRA in the 1990s. The catholic community then demanded an IRA cease-fire. Same needs to be done here. The only way to fight terror with a group who are not political (ie communists) is by terror of that groups supporters until they see sense. Terrorism fought by a minority group has never been defeated and the only way to make the otherside see sense is to do same and make it more painful.

Israel should bomb the fuck out of the Bekaa valley ala Dresden, the minute a rocket lands in Israel. As far as the broader west. If the peoples of the middle east and mostly their leaders continue to adopt terrorism as policy we need to make it very painful for them - ala Gaddafi. They need to know it won't be a one way street.

57 Evan  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 10:15:51pm

AH (7):

Jail him? And make him this genaration's Mandela? (If he isn't already)

58 Koedo  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 10:16:47pm

Arafat is alive and Johnny Cash is dead. There, proof positive the world is not fair.

59 Steve Hall  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 10:25:10pm

Jews to employ "poisonous rays towards Arafat's brain".

Now that's gonna be some precision work!

60 (:  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 10:27:09pm

I often wonder why his hands are so damn white.
Is there something wrong with him? I mean does he have some type of condition?

61 zulubaby  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 10:27:55pm

They should shoot Peres too.

Speaking at the same Brookings luncheon, former Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres faulted the Israeli government as not having "kept its promise" on halting settlement activity.
Now temporary head of the opposition Labor party, Peres said Israel should not act "out of anger," even if it was justified. "While we have to fight terror we must be careful not to escalate the situation," he said.
Peres urged the government to deal with the new Palestinian prime minister, Ahmed Queria. "He understands terror and peace do not work together, and he prefers peace," the 80-year-old elder statesman said.
At the same time, Peres, who shared a Nobel Peace Prize with Arafat for peacemaking a decade ago, said he was against expulsion even though Arafat was "a problem."
He warned that expelling Arafat would be a "historic mistake" that would "deepen the hostilities between the Palestinians and ourselves" and told CNN, "Arafat outside will be more effective and more negative than he is today."
"Occasionally you have to live with problems without solving them," Peres said.

Yeah, what's a few hundred dead Israelis. @$@*�%@% bastard. Him and Mandela are both old men who should just shut up.

62 d  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 10:30:01pm

#59:

Bwahahahahaha!

63 zulubaby  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 10:34:04pm

Smiley face, I wonder about the same thing. What's with those hands of his? Did you see the teeth? Eewwww.

Steve Hall (#59)

Great link, hilarious. The paranoia is kicking in big time.

Palestinians have thrown a tight security cordon around President Yasser Arafat fearing his assassination by unconventional means that could be construed as "a natural death", highly informed sources told Gulf News yesterday.

They're preparing the Big Lie early. Even if Arafat (G-d Forbid!) lived to be 1,000, it would still be the evil Zionists fault when he expired. But I really love the "highly informed sources". LOL! That's beautiful. I would love to see a Cox & Forkum cartoon of our Lizard Master toting one of them ray guns.

64 Steve Hall  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 10:36:49pm

Maybe it will transform him into the Great Green Gaza Golem.

65 zulubaby  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 10:37:26pm
Israeli Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz has revealed to his inner circle that the expulsion of President Arafat is the least the Israeli political leadership can approve, and that they should not rule out physical liquidation.

These guys are good. LOL!

66 zulubaby  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 10:38:40pm

Steve Hall:

LOL!!

67 adam  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 10:48:44pm

What does Colin PLOwell see in him, anyway?

68 zulubaby  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 10:51:15pm
The new security steps include searching and clo-se monitoring of all Arafat's visitors. The sources said that one speculated method of assassination could be the direction of poisonous rays towards Arafat's brain.
These rays can cause palpitations in the heart leading to a failure of brain resulting in gradual stop in breathing and ultimate death
"It is only curable by a specific antidote as in the bungled assassination of Khaled Mashal the head of Hamas political bureau in Jordan several years ago," the sources said.

Does it get any better than this?

69 damon  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 10:56:32pm

The maturity of these comments is overwhelming. Have you guys considered forming an organization? You could spend all your time writing racist, meaningless remarks (mostly focusing on physical appearances of political leaders) and avoid ever developing a deep historical analysis of this conflict. Oh wait you already do.

It is so terribly sad to see out of the 66 comments only one (#49) displayed any intelligence and compassion. Unfortunately in a website in which only children rant and rave, this comment is too easily lost amongst the endless hate.

70 Mike M  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 10:57:06pm
To Jerusalem we are going as martyrs in the millions”

How many "Palestinians" are there, anyway? I don't mean the "militants" but the "non-combatants" and the "peaceful" folk that live there too.

I'm "working on" my use of quotation marks, thinking of "applying" for "work" at Reuters.

71 zulubaby  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 10:57:15pm

Arafat's martyrs have been busy.

08:45 Border Police uncover 3 suicide belts containing some 20 kg of explosives in East Jerusalem village
72 Josh  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 10:58:38pm

#65
'physical liquidation'
Does this mean there will be a blender involved?
:>

73 d  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 10:58:47pm

zulubaby: It would get better if it actually happened...

74 nhop  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 10:59:12pm

OT:

There is an excellent series of articles in this weeks Economist about Islam and the West. Worth checking out, IMO.

75 evariste  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:00:59pm

Steve Hall, BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! I hope they use their most diabolical zionist weapon:
Jewess hair rays!

76 Josh  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:01:20pm

#70
About 3 million- 1 mil in Gaza and about 2 in WB.
However, some of them are Jordanian citizens, and are also counted in the population of Jordan.

77 d  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:01:40pm

#69: Aw, c'mon man. I thought my #13 was pretty good.

78 zulubaby  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:03:04pm

Uh oh, I think we just got reprimanded.

79 Crusade Now  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:03:22pm

ok Damon what would you do when someone says they want to kill your whole family and they keep trying to do it? How would you place their clamour for a million martyrs within the construct of the bi-polar world in which there are muslims and infidels?

80 evariste  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:04:33pm

In the Ec? I have a feeling that one paragraph in I will be gnashing my poor, abused teeth at their "balanced views". Thanks but no thanks. I doubt they're gonna tell us anything new. Sounds like they needed some filler, and figgered hell, let's talk about Islam that's always good for some Saudi full page ads!
You can quote some if it's really good though, nhop.

81 Jewels (aka Julian)  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:04:58pm

#69

That's all well and good. Now supply your in depth historical analysis of Arabian and Mohammadin history from 830 AD to the present day.

Please include in depth patterns of behavior of said parties behavior whenever moving into new areas.

Make note of simularities between 9th century and 20th century Arabian/Mohammadin behavior, including the standard tactics of terror and intimidation, plus esitmated death tolls from said patterns of behavior.

Sinne this will be graded by a History major who took the time to look past the standard class texts and to read historical accounts from at least 15 different resources, you will be graded on accouracy of historical fact. Your feelings on the matter are not relevant.

Thank you for your time.

82 zulubaby  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:05:19pm

Crusade Now, damon is only here to tell us what bad children we are.

83 T. Jefferson  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:10:41pm
84 Josh  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:11:16pm

#49 Ima Dhimmi

Definitely. We need to make more of an effort to empathize with this sadly misunderstood society.
The only way we will have peace is to cooperate with this Arab culture and their goal or making martyrs of young children.

I propose that we throw out all of our baby car seats and forbid our children to wear seat belts. Then we will appreciate the cultural values of these particular Arabs and their true love for their children.

After all, what could show greater love for your children than wanting them dead?

85 d  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:11:56pm

Watch it, Zulubaby, before you get us busted again.

86 damon  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:13:52pm

#79:

And how about your bi-polar world, in which there are Arabs and Non-Arabs?

#69:

I am not asking that this become a history class. However I cannot avoid but to believe that the majority of the visitors of this website see this whole situation as a source of entertainment. Making fun of teeth, talking about putting people in blenders, and so and so. I find that quite disgusting and representative of how distant and disconnected we are from the reality of the human existence.

#89:

I am not here to tell anyone that they are "bad". That's utterly useless. However I would like to provide my objective criticism, if that is welcome.

87 evariste  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:14:15pm

So damon can a bad boy get a spankin' or what?
What, not enough racism and superficiality in my comments for ya?
damon, like everyone from his race, looks like a wet fart was squeezed onto his face.
Now can I get a spankin'?

88 damon  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:14:54pm

Also, what is it with this endemic sarcasm that goes around over here?

89 Josh  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:15:12pm

#81
Hey Jewels, have you got a bibloiography or some recommended readings?

I'm a history major at UCLA and I'm going to be taking
a class on modern middle east this quarter.

w00t

90 Microsoft delenda est  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:15:25pm

Just a thought:

It is illegal under international law to use children as combattants or indoctrinate children as combattants.

Why not take a page from the Mohammedan cook book and just remove these victims from their disgusting parents and raise them as real people?

Israel would gain population, the Palistinkers would lose, and the Arabs could do nothing but shout.

Just a thought

91 Jewels (aka Julian)  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:19:56pm

#86 Damon

Fair enough. As soon as the various Arabians-Who-Occupy-The-Strip-Land-They-Want-To-Ca ll-Palestine put they're guns down, stop encitement to violence, quit celebrating the murder of civilians of all sorts, and preaching hatred against anyone not Muslim
...... then I will care not to make jokes against what I perceive as unmitigated madness and bloodthirstiness on the part of followers of what appears to be a demonic moon god, who break into a frenzy at the drop of a banana peel.

92 d  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:20:17pm
Also, what is it with this endemic sarcasm that goes around over here?

It's Evariste's fault.

93 Microsoft delenda est  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:21:58pm

One more thought -- why not just turn off Arafat TV and radio?

And his newspapers, and everything else he owns.

Very easy to do -- in fact, i wouldn't blow them up, i would sieze the equipment and sell it to compensate victims.

94 zulubaby  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:23:09pm
I am not here to tell anyone that they are "bad". That's utterly useless. However I would like to provide my objective criticism, if that is welcome.

No, actually, your "objective criticism" isn't welcome at all. Why should I or anyone else here care what you think? Hmmm? You came in here to berate us for being immature, blah, blah, and you expected what kind of response exactly?

Also, what is it with this endemic sarcasm that goes around over here?

Your post #69 wasn't sarcastic? Get over yourself and fast.

95 zulubaby  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:24:03pm

d: LOL!

96 nhop  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:24:11pm
One more thought -- why not just turn off Arafat TV and radio?
And his newspapers, and everything else he owns.

Why stop there?

97 Jewels (aka Julian)  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:25:44pm

#89: Josh

I'd have to dig my books (I'm at work), But oddly enough have you heard of the Series of Books By Larry Goenick called Cartoon History of the Universe?

Volume III covers the Rise of Islam and in the back you will find an extensive bilogoraphy on the subject. Goenick knows his stuff.

If you want to mail me, I'd be more than willing to send something later on today

98 damon  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:26:28pm

#91

As far as I know Palestine is occupied by Israelis, not Arabs.

Secondly, if you are to ever visit Palestine (as I have) you will quickly learn that the general population are not radical fundamentalists but human beings, with basic needs like the rest of the world: food, water, shelter, and most importantly peace. They are not bloodthirsty monsters as you so eloquently depict, but very poor human beings.

Just as I do not generalize Israelis by their fundamentalist militaristic government, I do not generalize Palestinians by the various radical groups which carry out atrocious attacks. Once one you are able to look beyond what the media portrays, then you will see the humanity that is on both sides, hindered by corrupt, self-serving politicians and generals. Then none of this will be funny. Not one single bit.

99 d  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:32:12pm

Israel has a fundamentalist militaristic government?

Damn, who knew? Last I checked, even Ariel Sharon is secular, just like most of Israel's population.

Secondly, if you are to ever visit Palestine (as I have) you will quickly learn

Yeh, that's not patronizing. Did you visit any of the parts of Palestine that are now occcupied by Jordan? Y'know, the country that sits on the bulk of Palestine.

100 nhop  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:33:33pm

#98 Damon:

The problem is that Eretz Israel is occupied by Palestinians, and "Eretz" Palestine is occupied by Israelis. For this reason, I think that only one solution will ultimately work, the One state solution.

Check out this idea:

[Link: www.iht.com...]

101 evariste  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:37:28pm

damon,
I will assume (probably wrongly) that you are not trolling.
You said of Crusade Now:

And how about your bi-polar world, in which there are Arabs and Non-Arabs?

Not true. He mentioned muslims and infidels. Which is the muslim worldview, that he was requesting your response to. I've read plenty of his/her posts. Not a racist. Just someone who cares about winning this war.
You said of yourself:

I am not asking that this become a history class. However I cannot avoid but to believe that the majority of the visitors of this website see this whole situation as a source of entertainment. Making fun of teeth, talking about putting people in blenders, and so and so. I find that quite disgusting and representative of how distant and disconnected we are from the reality of the human existence.

Well, just so you know, ignoring Charles' informativeness and linky goodness for the moment, the comments on this site are much more a history resource than any damn history class you can name. Unless Victor David Hanson is teaching.
We sit here and talk about death all day. What's wrong with some gallows humor? I think that's part of why we come here. Not many other places is the war being waged on and by our entire civilization taken as seriously as it is here, or sent up so hilariously. That's the style. BTW for most of the posters it's between 2 and 6 am (US time). There really isn't much to discuss, no new postings by Charles at these hours. G-d forbid there should be a terror attack, we will learn of it here in the comments before CNN or anyone else gets ahold of it. What do you want us to do? Most of us are drunk right now, I'll wager. Plus we've been waiting for bad news to happen to the Arafish all day. It didn't. Well damn, can we at least make fun of the murderous swine? (Sorry pigs, I know it hurts. You're noble animals.) Especially given this sort of opportunity? C'mon now!
You find it representative of how distant and disconnected we have become from the human experience. As I pointed out, we're more plugged in to the news, and more viscerally aware of every twist, every turn in this too-damn-long War on Terror, than the vast majority of the populace, kay? The people who are disconnected and distant are Berkeley's City Council, who just passed the resolution to urge Congress to investigate that terrorist rabble rouser Rachel Corrie's death. The people who are disconnected and distant are the indymedia drones. The Democratic candidates for the Presidential nomination. The Arab media that we lampoon here so ferociously. I'll stop listing people and simplify it: the people who are disconnected and distant are everybody but us.
To Crusade Now again, you said,

However I would like to provide my objective criticism, if that is welcome.

And you know what? It is welcome. Honest, it really is, if it is well intentioned. But you know what? We aren't trying to collectively create some unbiased news and analysis source here. Nobody is objective. We have all felt loss in one way or another and feel pretty strongly about things. Try having a conversation with us and you might enjoy yourself. Just wandering in here, apparently not knowing anything about us or the culture of the place and just looking to criticize is rather "ugly tourist" of you isn't it?
Stick around, you sound smart if possibly a little full of "objective criticism" if you know what I mean. We might enjoy what you have to say. If you contribute.
Most of us that you've read in this thread, probably thinking "worthless crap who are these people" are actually really interesting contributors. I won't name names but probably everyone who disgusted you. The humor gets us through the day (or night). You shouldn't base your impression, and putative criticism, entirely on that.
Thanks for reading.

102 damon  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:41:25pm

#99
Fundamentalism no longer only applies to religion. In the context I used it I was refering to his right-wing, conservative fundamentalism.

#98
Oh yes I have hard of the one-state solution. It does indeed sound very interesting and I sympathize with it. However do you think it's very practical? It is something that both sides should work towards in the long-run, through humanistic projects such as Seeds for Peace. But for now even I (a self-proclaimed idealist) believe a two-state solution is more viable.

103 Connecticut Yankee  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:41:26pm

#59 Steve Hall

Arafat has a brain? Did they perform a colonoscopy to locate it?

Wonder if he's going to ask Louis Farrakhan to lead the Million Martyr March.

104 evariste  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:43:35pm

I meant Victor Davis Hanson. Not David. D'oh.

105 evariste  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:50:20pm

See damon? It looks like you've started having some conversations. Good on ya bro.
It just so happens that I disagree with your premises as well as your conclusions so far, but I'm sure you'll get educated fast if you hang around here long enough! I've typed up quite a spell and need to rest the digits for a minute. So I'll refrain from jumping in. But believe me, although your intentions appear noble and you really seem concerned with the humanity of the Palestinians and a just solution for both sides, you're going to be disabused of some illusions real quick if you stick around. You'll keep the idealism but I think some realism will get folded into the omelette.
I'm a Palestinian ethnically, btw. Just so ya know. I wish the Palestinians the very best. But rewarding their terrorism with a state is not good policy. Heck, I started replying. My brain is writing checks that my aching fingers can't cash. I'll leave it to the rest of you guys.
d-LOL! It IS all my fault! I always suspected as much.

106 orty  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:51:13pm

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

An interesting, and maddening, revisitation of the past. So many lies. So many of our brothers and sisters have been murdered, but that's not the worst part. The worst is having to defend the truth incessantly against an endless stream of lies, coming, it seems, from every direction. From the Europeans, from the United Nations, at times from America, always from the Arab world.

The Palestinians are winning this war not because they put up a better fight, or because their cause is just, or because they have good PR. They're winning because the international community wants so badly to believe in their cause and so badly to oppose ours. So many lies have been told, and told, and told again. The world stands by and watches us die, but says nothing, maybe even secretly rejoices, knowing how incredibly frustrating and exhausting it all must be for us. So much wasted energy to defend Israel, not just against suicide bombings and mortars and shooting attacks, but from the onslaught of lies on the BBC and CNN and the New York Times. So many charts, and graphs, and articles, and editorials, all speaking out against the lies, all the while knowing that most of what we do can't ever change anyone's opinion. Lies about the root of the conflict, about the numbers of casualties, about the destruction of homes, about the true intent of the 'militant' groups, about the true nature of Israeli society. So many lies. So much disinformation.

In 50 years, when the world's myopia has led to Israel's destruction and the spread of militant Islam has to the shores of Europe and America, I don't think it will make me happy to say 'I told you so.'

So read this article, and think back to last April, when everyone on the street couldn't stop talking about the 'massacre of Jenin'. Someone call Saeb Erekat and ask him where his fucking massacre is?

*****

A British forensic expert who has gained access to the West Bank city of Jenin says evidence points to a massacre by Israeli forces. Prof Derrick Pounder, who is part of an Amnesty International team granted access to Jenin, said he has seen bodies lying in the streets and received eyewitness accounts of civilian deaths.

The Dundee University expert said the Amnesty investigation has only just begun but Palestinian claims of a massacre were gaining foundation as the team continued its analysis.

He said: "The truth will come out, as it has come out in Bosnia and Kosovo, as it has in other places where we've had these kinds of allegations.

"I must say that the evidence before us at the moment doesn't lead us to believe that the allegations are anything other than truthful and that therefore there are large numbers of civilian dead underneath these bulldozed and bombed ruins that we see."

The professor said recovering the bodies would be difficult because many buildings collapsed during bombardment.

He said: "We know there are families who were there and killed and buried.

"We were on the ruins yesterday and two elderly men came forward, each of them pointed to where their houses had been and one of them told us that 10 members of his family were buried under the rubble."

He said post mortems on two bodies had "given cause for suspicion" and there was "extensive damage" to Jenin.

An area of the town the size of several football pitches has been flattened.

Prof Pounder was speaking as Israeli forces began to pull out of Jenin and the town of Nablus.

A United Nations special envoy described the the devastation as "horrific beyond belief".

Terje Roed-Larsen, who visited the Jenin refugee camp on Thursday, criticised Israel for not allowing rescue teams in after the battle with Palestinian gunmen.

Israeli officials reversed a ban on the Amnesty team entering the Jenin refugee camp and government hospital on Wednesday.

Amnesty had considered legal action against the Israeli Government over the ban.

Israeli forces moved into the Jenin camp on 3 April, saying it was a hotbed of Palestinian militancy and declaring it a closed military zone.

Zalmon Shoval, an adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, defended Israel's actions, saying it was fighting for its life.

"Mr Larsen has no business whatsoever to tell us what is right or wrong," he told the BBC.

Palestinians claim hundreds of bodies are buried beneath the rubble, but Mr Shoval said only about 65 bodies had been recovered, of which five were civilians.

107 d  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:53:19pm

Funny and games at a pro-Arafat rally:

Palestinians burn a U.S. flag during a demonstration in support of Palestinian President Yasser Arafat (news - web sites) after Friday prayers in the West Bank city of Hebron on September 12, 2003. Israel faced an international outcry on Friday over its decision to 'remove' Palestinian President Yasser Arafat, a threat that drew tens of thousands of supporters into the streets to rally to his defense. Photo by Nayef Hashlamoun/Reuters
108 zulubaby  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:54:39pm

evariste: Not in a hundred years could I have your patience :-)

'Night all.

109 Microsoft delenda est  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:54:45pm

#89 Josh


I'm a historian specializing in modern middle east history.

May I suggest Fregosi's "Jihad and the West" which explains Islam's wars of extermination against Western civilization.

It's an absolutely astonishing story, and one completely removed from politically correct history.

Did you know that Saracens (Islamic slavers) occupied St. Tropez in southern France for a hundred years? That they pillaged Rome? That the Egyptian government took 30,000 Greek slaves in 1830?

There's a whole lot more...

110 nhop  Fri, Sep 12, 2003 11:59:14pm

Evariste:

Wow. Youre Palestinian, eh?

You sound like a v. intelligent and eloquent fellow. How do you envision an eventual solution to the Israel/Palestine situation?

Thx.

111 evariste  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 12:02:53am

nhop-Oh no, not that question! LOL
I need to dig up the comments where I've written that up and save the links so I can just point people at them.
My fingers aren't such hot stuff right now, as I said. So I have to demur for the moment.
There's no easy solution, obviously. Unfortunately.

112 d  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 12:02:58am

Thanks for enlightening us on your new definition of "fundamentalism."

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,
“it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

By your new definition, how would you define the P.A. (and keep in mind that the president of the PA was a terrorist for decades, and arguably still is, and is seen above hoisting a crying child above his head, shortly after ranting about martyrs in the millions)?

113 damon  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 12:03:53am

Thank you for your post evariste.

I won't respond to every point you made because it's late here also and I need to get to work tommorow...but in general:

What I do observe is that undeniably the owner of the website makes a point to choose only select portions of the media which all fit perfectly with his own rather extreme right-wing views. The problem with this approach to news is that you will narrow your perspective and fail to see the wide, open truth that is out there. If I was to have been brought up using this website as a major source of information, I would undeniably find myself spouting these same (what I consider uninformed and immature) remarks as the majority of posters here do.

When trying to find the truth...I always believe that you should be open to all perspectives (for example I have read through quite a bit of this website despite the fact that most of the information revoluts me, but I have tried to understand where the general viewer is coming from). Really the truth is that this site promotes a narrow, fragmented perspective of the situation and as a result, no matter how keenly aware the viewers are, how much they read through all these articles in the middle of the night, they will see the situation not in its entirety which is absolutely necessary to see the truth.

I have been to Israel. I have been to Palestine. I am not a Jew. I am not an Arab. And I am proud to say I do not hope the Palestinians win this war and I do not hope the Israelis win this war. What I hope is that the humanity behind these labels can win this war. Once we are able to see that there is no such thing as a Jew or an Arab, but only humans, then hopefully we will be elevated to a new level of understanding, one in which we are not so distant and disconnected from what could be a harmonious whole -- humanity.

Excuse me for my melodramatic post...I just hope you guys can take into consideration where I am coming from. How can you criticize Arab propaganda when this site is so full of propaganda itself? It's very hypocritical.

On a final note, I must tell you I was very offended by your comment about Rachel Corrie, someone who I consider to be a perfect example of humanism. I cannot being to imagine what can lead you to call this compassionate girl a "terrorist rabble rouser", but I do ask you to consider what intentions a typical, young American girl has going to a warn-torn country and standing in front of a tank to prevent a bulldozing of a house. She is not Muslim, surely you do not believe that. So even if (and I'm saying this for the sake of argument) she was supporting terrorists, do you think that was her intention? It is not even a possibility. She just wanted to help desperate people. And now she has been bulldozed to the ground. Have a little respect.

Peace,
Damon

114 Jewels (aka Julian)  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 12:12:22am

*Runs for cover as the examples of Rachel Corrie's true behavior come to light*

115 orty  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 12:19:16am

[Link: www.indybay.org...]

Scroll down and take a look at the *true* face of Rachel Corrie, the 'humanist'. I wouldn't take that home to meet my mother. She never would have stood on a bus to stop a suicide bombing and protect a Jew. I could NOT care less that she was killed.

116 zulubaby  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 12:23:59am
On a final note, I must tell you I was very offended by your comment about Rachel Corrie, someone who I consider to be a perfect example of humanism.

And you're lecturing us about propaganda? She was a terrorist-sympathizer. Be offended. I'm far more offended by what she stood for.

Have a little respect.

You have a little respect, for the mothers and babies that were vaporized by evil terrorists, the same terrorists that Rachel Corrie was offering aide and comfort to. Do you know anything at all about ISM, the organization that Rachel Corrie belonged to?

Take your blinkers off.

Don't miss these:

Corrie Propaganda Continues

Corrie Propaganda Motherlode

Let me know if you'd like further information. There's plenty more where that came from.

117 Mike Reynolds  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 12:39:07am

It IS kind of pointless to poke fun at Arafat for being ugly. Where does that leave us when they pick someone debonair as his successor (as perhaps the execrable Edward Said)?

Far more useful for Israel to plant credible rumors that there are indeed death rays, exploding computer mice etc directed at Arafat and zeroed in on him by his purported allies, including Rantisi, Yassin et al. (actually in the pay of the Mossad)
Should be child's play to fake this kind of stuff, then watch them tear each other apart like the pack of mad dogs they are.

118 zulubaby  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 12:41:14am

Follow up to post #71.

Three 'ready-to-use' explosive belts discovered in E. Jerusalem

Security forces thwarted three suicide bomb attacks on Israelis after finding three 'ready-to-use' explosive belts hidden inside a washing machine in a butcher's shop in the East Jerusalem village of Al Azzariya north-east of Bethlehem.
Border Police sappers blew up the belts that contained 20 to 30 kilograms of explosives, nails and metal balls.

********************

Reports indicate that the belts belonged to Hamas terrorists who were planning a suicide attack in the capital in the near future.
119 Paul of Arabia  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 12:49:50am

#113 - damon

the owner of the website makes a point to choose only select portions of the media which all fit perfectly with his own rather extreme right-wing views.


The links provided on LGF come from all over the political spectrum, including the Guardian and the BBC in the UK, and the Arab News and the Gulf News in Arabia, which can hardly be described as "extreme right-wing."

120 Crusade Now  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 1:03:58am

#86 Damon - Its not my bi-polar view of the world as arab and non-arab but theirs. That is part of the arab mind. That is why arabs outside Iraq described the tyrant Saddam Hussein as "better than the best british and american". When asked why they supported him they replied "because he is an arab". I find arab music and cuisine nice. You talk about Palestine and Arabs - I don't believe that there's any real difference in a Palestinian and a Lebanese or Egyptian - they are all t same. The diferences between a Cornishman and a Welshman would be greater. Read my posts get an insight into the Cornish mind :0)

#98 Damo - I hope you don't live in the UK. Its been recently condemned for the way it treats its minority Cornish....

www.fuen.org

#101 thanks Evariste, I'm a he who lives in occupied Australia.

121 db  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 1:08:50am

#68 zulubaby

Sorry, I skipped #69 (my bad) thru to here -

Microwaves.

122 steve miller  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 2:25:55am

I'm glad that when Gordon and Tom are asleep, Damon is here to keep us honest.

I especially love the part about Charles' right-wing fundamentalism. It was hard for me to ignore it, I guess, but Damon has helped me to see the light.

Oops, sarcasm. Mustn't do that.

Oops, that was sarcasm, too.

Darn you, evariste! You've affected EVERYONE!

123 JG  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 2:48:54am

Time to bring out Nekama's hammer for Damon.

JG

124 Jewels (aka Julian)  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 2:56:34am

#123 JG

How About Maxwells Silver hammer :)

125 Mr Pol  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 2:59:38am

It looks like Gordon reproduced a lot in the last few days. I wonder who's the mom? WFI?

126 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 3:36:46am

#61, zulubaby:

They should shoot Peres too.

I'm a bit shocked, zulubaby... that kind of rhetoric is "not helpful" to the "peace process."

But I understand the "root causes" of your frustration.

I think Peres should succeed Abu ThisWeek as the new "Palestinian" "prime minister". He's worked with Arafat before, and has really advanced the "Palestinian national aspiration".

For now, it's premature to joke about someone completing the Oslo trifecta.

At least wait until the establishment of a "free, democratic Palestinian state" in accordance with the "roadmap."

127 Jimbo  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 3:38:21am

Damon,

Unfortunately you've bought into the "conventional wisdom" about the ME conflict. It's not your fault, you've been bombarded with sublte propaganda for years (much as you feel posters here have been influenced) by folks who have somehow turned things upside down.

Just as an example, Corrie and her ISM associates have helped terrorists bypass Israeli checkpoints; have hidden armed terrorists in their offices. Corrie was defending bushes that hid weapons smugglers' tunnels when she was accidentally killed by a pile of dirt pushed by an Israeli bulldozer trying to prevent those weapons from finding the hands of terrorists.

This site is an antidote to the conventional wisdom; as such it is not required to re-spout the propaganda of the PC left.

BTW, for a terrific opposing read on the situation, try Alan Dershowitz's The Case For Israel.


Jim

128 Macker  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 3:45:23am

I have a better idea...let the Israelis scoop Arafat's sorry ass outa there, then give him to US...where we have a nice cozy cell waiting for him at Camp X-Ray at Gitmo. Then we can throw away the key and the world will never hear from him again.

See, South Africa forgot to throw away Mandela's key....

129 Catbert  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 3:51:45am

Typical of Arafish and his ilk. Holding up soneone else's child as a shield while his own daughter is safe in Frogland.

130 Jimbo  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 3:51:53am

Kidnap Arafat, bring him to Boston and put him in Fr. Geoghan's old cell...

131 Darwin Akbar  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 3:56:00am

#118 - Zulubaby: that story was buried at the end of this disgraceful yahoo news report:

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

wherein it notes they were found in "occupied and annexed east Jerusalem."

Q: How can it be both occupied and annexed?
Of course, the "scare quotes" are inserted to diminish the overall point, - the world is silent as Jews are blown up and killed, yet it rallies around the degenerate murderer Arafat.

132 bigel[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 4:03:45am
133 ibrodsky  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 4:07:50am

There is reason for hope.

The Israeli gov't has rebuffed the UNSC and all of the foreign ministers who have called expressing their "concern" about the fate of the only man who can rival Osama bin Laden at mass murder.

From the JPost:

Israel has rejected the Security Council warning against the expulsion of Yasser Arafat. Diplomatic sources said that, "with all due respect to the institution of the UN, Israel will not give up its right to self defense." The official added that Arafat was a "master terrorist," according to Ynet. Another official in Jerusalem said that the international community showed "hypocrisy" in its stance favoring Arafat, while in the meantime "Israeli women and children continue to die in terrorist acts."

My apologies to those who feel my posts here consist of "bitching." I have watched Arabs kill Jews just to kill Jews for decades. I believe the parallels between the current world situation and the early days of Nazi Germany are unmistakable.

In fact, I am still distressed that Israel does not have the basic public relations skills to put the entire world to shame for its "concern" for this mass murderer while Israeli citizens are blown to bits or maimed for life as they commute to and from school and work. But some are trying...

Education Minister Limor Livnat said that despite the U.S. objections, Arafat - whom she compared to Saddam Hussein, Sheik Ahmed Yassin and Osama bin Laden - was no longer immune. "Israel is an independent and sovereign state and though it has a close and friendly important relationship with America, it doesn't take orders from America," Livnat said Friday.

and more hopeful words:

And Israel also stated its opposition to any future cease-fires. "The government of Israel rejects any idea of a cease-fire as the way to handle terrorism. Terrorism will cease only after the dismantlement and destruction of the terrorist organizations. This is the duty of the Palestinian Authority [which] will be judged only by its actions and not its declarations...."
The communique also refers briefly to the security fence. "The Cabinet also decided that the construction of the security fence [between Israel and the West Bank] will be accelerated," it stated.
134 Barry  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 4:08:36am

#91 Damon

The sooner you stop supporting the said media maybe the sooner the facts will out.
Read this article by Larry Miller. The facts are towards the end of the article.

"It Gets Hard When THey Cheer"

Obviously all the media you have access to have a "Hidden Agenda" (Ha). Yes after a bit ha ha ha hurts so much it is not funny.
Fascist is a lovely word to throw around and was used against Peres, Barak and anybody associated with Israel for many years now. Trying to find some Moral similarity btween the two mentalities is odious!

135 Barry  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 4:10:17am

Why don't the Israelis just build "A Wall" around the Muqata?
Isolating him that way is just as good as a prison cell.

136 bigel[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 4:15:47am
137 Viking Kitten  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 4:17:50am

Surprised no one has brought up the obvious analogy. Michael Jackson did something like this and was roundly (and rightly) criticized for being out of his head, endangering a child, and someone who used children to advance his own fame and glory.

But, when a Hero of the Left does this, the sycophants and apologists ignore it or give it a pass.

If I ever decide to become a child abuser, remind me to become a renowned leftist first, so people will stick up for me no matter what I do.

138 Viking Kitten  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 4:23:44am
Truth to Zionism is like kryptonite to Superman.

In this case, true, because what you call "truth" is like kryptonite: an imaginary plot contrivance with no counterpart in the real world, for use against an imaginary all-powerful being (zionism). In this sense, your statement is correct.

139 Barry  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 4:25:47am

#100 nhop

Good grief! Do you know who the writer is?

140 Guy Smilee  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 4:26:01am

Interesting that Busharon in this thread (#136) and "zioo" in the Rutgers thread posted almost the exact same thing. Actual composition much be too much for the trolls. Cut and paste is more their speed.

141 Viking Kitten  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 4:28:19am
Reports indicate that the belts belonged to Hamas terrorists who were planning a suicide attack in the capital in the near future.

Well---duh.

I think that now that these devices have been found, they should be returned to their rightful owner. Put them in a box. Ship them to a certain office in Ramallah.


And detonate remotely.

142 Frank IBC  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 4:33:49am

To Jerusalem we are going as martyrs in the millions

Well, as long as no Jews are killed in the process, it's perfectly OK by me.

143 Frank IBC  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 4:36:54am

#125 Mr. Pol -

Think of Gordon as the "political wing" of that organization.

144 Big L  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 4:55:33am

Maybe Iraeli govt is using the expulsion issue of Arafat,as a feint so they could do something else.
Focus in on other areas while pals and news is looking that away.They need to jam his tv and cell phones.
Also, I agree with the post on stopping/retarding/breaking up the funerals.How a bout one of those super scooper fire-fighting planes and dump water on them,to cool it down.

145 AG in Houston  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 4:59:17am

#59

That is simply priceless.

Unfortunately, I think the Arab world is setting itself up to blame Israel when Arafat dies, whether it's by natural causes or not.

146 Ed Moran, Armchair Quarterback  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:00:02am

That poor child.

I thought I heard the IDF has the high ground around the excrements office. They should have a sniper ready for the possibility of a clear shot. I assume they have a defense prepared for a few thousand enraged wanna-be shaheeds when they off the creep.


On a lighter note, they could play a game like that bop the gopher game with the fart. Have a helicopter on standby, and every time Afart comes outside, have it get close and loud and scatter everybody and chase Afart inside. Maybe the old fart has an aortic dissection like John Ritter did, and the elevated blood pressure will set it off.


I know it may not be mature to comment on his looks, but Charle's Arafish does not do his nastiness justice. Back in New York we used to catch a trash fish from time to time in the Great South Bay we called a "hacklehead".

[Link: www.state.me.us...]

147 Schmerel  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:08:08am
Arafat
Pure "D" Evil
148 bigel[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:09:43am
149 AG in Houston  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:13:38am

Armag

Do you have a link to an official site that is non Arab?

If not, you are a liar. Sharon never said this.

It is made up.

Just like his supposed "we control America" on Israeli radio a couple of years ago.

150 Ed Moran, Armchair Quarterback  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:13:52am

#148


Care to provide a link??????????


Otherwise


GAYS!

151 Ed Moran, Armchair Quarterback  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:15:40am

HAZE!

152 AG in Houston  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:16:07am

HAZE is what he deserves.

153 Paul of Arabia  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:16:10am

Dag nabbit, now where did I put my trusty can of "Troll-Away"?

#148 Is this where you got that quote from?

Until then, GAZE.

154 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:24:23am
155 Paul of Arabia  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:26:04am

The "Sharon" quote is yet another hoax.

Let me have a go:

General Madeup: "So, Armag, you like to squash kittens?"

Armag: "Yes, that is true."

A real interview with Armag, the infamous kitten squasher, 1998.

156 Ed Moran, Armchair Quarterback  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:26:16am

Paul of Arabia

I like the carefully documented breakdown and percentages of Palistains killed by Sharon. Almost looks like someone was trying to be scientific.


What country is .sk ?

BTW, on the Non-Muslim link, it tells me Islam is my birthright. Wha-Hoooo!!

157 Ed Moran, Armchair Quarterback  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:29:02am

Web site blames the camp murders outside Beirut on Sharon. Last time I heard, it was Arab Christians, who had been targeted by Lebanese Muslims and there PLO allies for ethnic cleansing who carried out the vicious revenge killings.


Unless Sharon is secretly a Christian Arab.

158 Paul of Arabia  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:30:27am

.sk is Slovakia, I reckon.

And this is the person who posted the alleged Sharon quote.

Makes for scary reading.

159 AG in Houston  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:32:07am

Armag

You really deserve a nice Joodeo-Christain insult:

I heard there is no Christmas
In the silly Middle East
No trees, no snow, no Santa Claus
They have different religious beliefs

They believe in Muhammad
And not in our holiday
And so every December
I go to the Middle East and say...

"Hey there Mr. Muslim
Merry fucking Christmas
Put down that book the Koran
And hear some holiday wishes.

In case you haven't noticed
It's Jesus's birthday.
So get off your heathen Muslim ass
and fucking celebrate.

160 Nekama  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:36:36am

#159 AG

I LOVE South Park.

That song deserves a Grammy.

161 ibrodsky  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:37:34am

In addition to watching Arabs mass murder Jewish women and children for four decades, I've also listened to them lie for four decades.

Was anyone surprised by Comical Ali? I certainly wasn't. When Israel kicked the Arab cowards' butts in 1967, they claimed the US and Britain attacked them. Then they declared victory.

162 Ed Moran, Armchair Quarterback  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:39:17am

What does SWT mean sometimes after Allan's name in Jihadi John's web-site.

It can't mean South West Texas State University, as they changed their name to Texas State University-San Marcos. ( TSU-SM)

I assume because it will force all the students and alumni to buy new t-shirts and boost bookstore revenues.

163 freedomsound  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:39:47am

#148

is an example of the type of "look beyond what the media portrays" that damon bases his views on.

164 AG in Houston  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:40:10am

Nekama

South Park as waay above average, that's for sure.

Ibrodsky

Isn't it amazing?

165 AG in Houston  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:43:11am

#163

Word.

166 Viking Kitten  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:47:10am
General Madeup: "So, Armag, you like to squash kittens?"

Meanwhile, Sharon seethed. "They're squashing all the BEST kittens themselves!"

Come on, kids, what's that from?

167 Ed Moran, Armchair Quarterback  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:47:43am

150 mph Hurricane Isabel may spare New York a direct hit. Modelling is shifting slowly westward, and the official NHC forecast has a 125 mph Hurricane south of Hatteras and east of Charleston, heading for the North Carolina coast in 5 days. Of course, this will continue moving north or northwest afterwards, and tropical storm force consitions likely in New York/New Jersey next weekend.


But it looks like Aunt Marguerite's house in Bay Shore might be spared.

[Link: twister.sbs.ohio-state.edu...]

168 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:47:53am

On Yahoo that bogus quote comes up on scores of nazi and arab sites. (Charles very wisely deleted it.) But I can find no other reference anywhere for that supposed "General".

Jeepers! You'd think they'd at least use a real, traceable name when they make stuff up.

169 AG in Houston  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:51:17am

General Ouze is a figment of the collective Arab imagination.

Sort of like the song "Informer" by the white guy from Connecticut who thinks he is Jamaican is a figment of my imagination.

170 freedomsound  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:52:44am

#168 littleoldlady

Jeepers! You'd think they'd at least use a real, traceable name when they make stuff up.

Why should they, when millions of demons damons the world over believe their every lie implicitly?

171 ibrodsky  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:53:46am

A second Jew has just been murdered in Morocco.

Of course, Palestinians and their supporters have nothing against Jews.

172 AG in Houston  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:54:07am

#170

What is the html code for the 'line-through-the-word'

173 freedomsound  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:58:11am

#172

(strike)word(/strike) using angle brackets instead of parentheses. I learned it here ;)

174 ibrodsky  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:59:28am

Arafat

175 Merkavah UK  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:59:38am

I presume this little baby is one of the potential "Millions of Shahids marching to Jerusalem!"

It reminds me of something Golda Meir once said;

Golda Meir put it very well when she said, "We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us."

How poinient.

David Warren has an interesting article on his site about the possible "removal" of Arafat.

[Link: www.davidwarrenonline.com...]

176 AG in Houston  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 5:59:44am

You are a nerd

LGF is the shiznit!

177 freedomsound  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 6:03:35am

#176 AG in Houston

You are a nerd technical genius now.

178 Yossarian  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 6:05:18am

OT: Pakistan: "Indo-Israel nexus extremely threatening"

Pakistan has reacted harshly to recent reports of Indo-Israeli defence cooperation according to which a number of new agreements for the sale and purchase of weapons technology and increased security cooperation between the two nations was pledged.

..."These sale and purchase agreements will create imbalance of power in the region," said Minister for Information and Broadcasting Sheikh Rashid Ahmed. Ahmed told reporters that the Indo-Israel relationship was aimed "not only against Pakistan but also against Kashmir and Palestine."

179 AG in Houston  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 6:05:24am

I am a Zionist nerd Bad Mamba Jamba.

That is why my wife married me.

B-)

180 zulubaby  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 6:17:56am

I hate trolls, they bore me. This one bored my right to sleep so for that I am grateful, but please tell me he's been banished from the Lizard Kingdom.

181 AH  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 6:17:59am

Merkavah
Great article by David Warren. Thanks.

182 freedomsound  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 6:31:34am

#179 AG in Houston

I've known a few Zionist Bad Mamba Jambas, they are pretty nice people. When I was a 15 yr old kid, one Zionist Bad Mamba Jamba in Israel used to pry the bullets from his rounds and replace them with cigarette filters so I could have indoors target practice with his Galil. My biggest life's regret these days is that I didn't stay long enough to go into the service, and now it is too late. So, at least I am not an unrepentant nerd without regrets ;)

183 bigel[deleted]  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 6:35:28am
184 Guy Smilee  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 6:38:31am

#169 AG

The guy in question was called "Snow", and he was from Toronto, not Connecticut. (As someone from Connecitcut myself, I am eager not to have that yutz associated with my state.)

185 Tim Dunkin  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 6:55:36am

#156 - Ed Moran, Armchair Quarterback

"BTW, on the Non-Muslim link, it tells me Islam is my birthright. Wha-Hoooo!!"

If Islam is my birthright, then I want someone to write me out of the will!

Learn the Truth About Islam

186 zulubaby  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 7:01:46am

AG in Houston (#179)

I am a Zionist nerd Bad Mamba Jamba.

LOL! I need to find myself one of those.

187 Frank IBC  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 7:02:28am

Yossarian -

I find Nexus Magazine extremely disturbing, but that's another story for another day.

188 Frank IBC  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 7:09:43am

From the trolls fabricated quote:

...Raping...girls as the...women is a slave...and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do but we tell others what they shall do.

Sounds much more like the Muslim attitude, doesn't it?

Good point about the term "Palestinian". Unfortunately for them, that calls attention to the fact that "Palestine" was occupied by the Egyptians and Jordanians between 1949 and 1967...

189 Frank IBC  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 7:13:40am

Ed Moran -

150 mph Hurricane Isabel may spare New York a direct hit.

But if it doesn't, I'm sure that 4000 Jews will get advance notice not to show up for work that day.

/LLL moonbatiness

190 Mr Pol  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 7:17:19am

#188 Frank IBC

Do you mean "Balestinian" and "Balestine"?

191 Frank IBC  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 7:18:35am

ibrodsky -

Israel kicked the Arab cowards' butts in 1967, they claimed the US and Britain attacked them. Then they declared victory.

Like the commander of the Egyptian Air Faorce. He scored a hole in one.

:)

192 Frank IBC  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 7:23:25am

Mr. Pol -

Actually it should have been Philistines Filistinans.

:)

193 Frank IBC  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 7:29:44am

For those of you who are not familiar with Arabic, and are left wondering what the heck Mr. Pol and I are blabbering about, there is no "p" sound in the Arabic language.

Foreign words with that sound are either pronounced like a "b" or an "f".

The actual Arab word for "Palestine" is "Filistina", which actually comes much closer to "Philistine" than the Latin word "Palestina".

But if an Arabic speaker is trying to say the English word "Palestine", he may tend to say "Balestine" instead.

194 Mr Pol  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 7:30:06am

#192 Frank IBC

AFAIK the Balestinians have no relationship whatsoever with the Filistines.

195 Mr Pol  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 7:31:03am

#193 Frank IBC

Yep. More proof that Balestine is Arabic: they can't even pronounce it.

196 Jimbo  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 7:32:34am

Bigel, I dunno, there might be hope for Damon, who at least wasn't ranting...

197 Ima Dhimmi  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 7:37:45am

#69 damon 9/13/2003 12:56AM PST

It is so terribly sad to see out of the 66 comments only one (#49) displayed any intelligence and compassion.

maroon. I was being sarcastic. I was talking in the most sappy, emotional terms possible, even using the word "feel" instead of "think" to parody your ridiculous leftist, relativist, claptrap.

And you thought it was just great.

LOL

198 V. Valberg  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 7:42:07am

Ah yes Rachael Corrie or St. Pancake as I like to call her, the latest Palestinian spokes person for the International House of Pancakes!

For more on how I feel about her, and the people that share her views, you can take a good look at one of my older Mistings Good Morning AmeriKKKA or you might just check out Wally and Company meets the college activists which also contains a great scene showing how the college activists praise Rachael Corrie! Come one come all!

199 kathyn  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 8:31:55am

This poor baby knows that he's seeing the face of evil. It's never too early to start that indoctrination of insanity./

200 Ed Moran, El Maestro de Cerveza  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 8:43:26am

I thought Balestine is an old and now defunt beer.

Well, starting to look like no National Championship for UT this year. Unless they put the Freshman in second half, maybe.

201 Ed Moran, El Maestro de Cerveza  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 8:48:34am

IMHO, when some troll like Armhair posts something so obviously incorrect, like the claim that not only does Sharon like to burn Paleo's alive and rape their woman but would be stupid enough to admit it, that features a reference to Paleo's ten years before people were even calling them that, the idiocy, and the resulting slams against the stupidity, should be left up.

Kind of like a Monster Truck smashing through Indy Media Yugos.

202 Frank IBC  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 9:04:59am

CaMr. Pol -

The biblical Philistines were most likely from Crete, or possibly Mycenae or Cyprus.

Interestingly, my male line of descent supposedly comes from the same place - several Irish clans, including my own, claim descent from Miletus, a mythical figure from the same time as King Minos.

Balestinians and the Filistinans

Hey, let's start a civil war between them!
:)

203 Kaafir  Sat, Sep 13, 2003 1:00:16pm

Arafat is not the problem, Islam is.

Expelling Arafat will make him a World Saint, a second Nelson Mandela.

Arafat will be replaced by someone (like Abu 'Ala) who appears more moderate, but shares the same goal of destroying Israel. For this reason, killing Arafat is not a good idea either.

If and when Arafat croaks, the Israelis will be blamed for his death, which is a reason for killing the skunk.

Except that he may be the best Palestinian leader that Israel can hope for. As I see it, the best option for Israel is to keep Arafat in his Muqat'aa compound in Ramallah, and wish him long life. To explain my logic, consider the case of Yussuf Nasser, Arafat's Interior Minister, who in the recent Cabinet Meeting criticized Arafat as follows: "there were many national movements, and all of them succeeded to get independence, except ours". Arafat spat in Nasser's face.

Nasser is right that the Palestinians, under Arafat, will continue to fail. Arafat thus buys more time for the Israelis, and I hope they use it wisely.

204 ploome  Sat, Sep 20, 2003 4:32:34pm

178 Yossarian 9/13/2003 08:05AM PST

.....regarding:

OT: Pakistan: "Indo-Israel nexus extremely threatening"

.........do you suppose that Israel finds the 53 member alliance od OIC threatening.? or the 23 member Arab League threatening?

amazing self absorbtion


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