I hope I don't sound too dense, but what were these "rumors"? For what reasons did the Entity wish Ambassador Jordan to leave?

But ... haven't we been expecting a turnover there at the American embassy in Saudi Arabia? Given the State Department's lousy performance over the past decade and especially their treasonous performance over the past couple of years. And the US's real and total disappointment and disgust with State's kowtowment to Saudi sensibilities?

I think this is good. I don't care whose idea it is. I think we should name Madeline Albright to replace him. Let the sheikhs try to stick *her* into a black bag!

He might have actually been representing US interestes over there...

[Link: www.abc.net.au...]

I think the perfect replacement would be Victor Salva... let him rape their little boys for a change.

Check this out too:

[Link: 216.26.163.62...]

U.S. ambassador steps on royal toes in Saudi Arabia

SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Tuesday, September 23, 2003
Relations between Saudi Arabia and the United States have turned tense over the issue of royal succession in the Saudi kingdom.

Saudi opposition sources said Riyad had demanded the expulsion of U.S. ambassador Robert Jordan after he publicly sided with the pro-U.S. contender for the throne who backs limits on the influence of Islamic clerics.

The remarks were said to have angered Defense Minister Prince Sultan Bin Abdul Aziz, the chief rival of Abdullah who has lobbied for the position of crown prince. Over the last two years, Sultan opposed Abdullah's policy of reducing the influence of the Islamic clergy and maintaining strong defense relations with the United States, Middle East Newsline reported.

Nah, Madeleine Albright is a chump.
Daniel Pipes for Ambassador!!!

I get a feeling that Saudi rulers would like to treat us the same way they treat their own subjects: rumors lies, rumors lies,rumors lies.

ah so--he was anti-sudeiri and those chumps wanted to 86 him--now i get it--but rest assured-if he keeps quiet--he'll still be on the saudi 401k plan--so don't look for no crazy speeches--buh bye rihyad-hullo consulting sinecure at a middle east think tank or some gratuitous excessive and unquestioned over billing at his law firm complete with fat non refundable retainer

SIA said tensions between Riyad and Washington have been further exacerbated by U.S. opposition to a Saudi appointment. The agency said the United States rejected a Saudi appointment to serve as head of security at the Saudi embassy in Washington. The appointee was not named.

well, that nice.....fkem

evariste:

Daniel Pipes for Ambassador!!!

LOL, you beat me to it:)

New poll idea: Who should be our next ambassador to the House of Fraud:
a. Daniel Pipes
b. Victor Davis Hanson
c. Rachel Corrie
d. Ah-nuld.

I vote for c. Ms. Corrie might not be ideal politically, but she would save the taxpayers much $. Instead of first class airfare to Saudi Arabia, she could commute via first class envelope.

Maybe it's because of this:

After months of working below the radar, a huge U.S. legal team hired by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has sprung into action and begun a major counteroffensive against a landmark lawsuit seeking $1 trillion in damages on behalf of the victims of the September 11 terror attacks.[...]THE OPENING DEFENSE SALVO in what promises to be a bruising legal battle was fired last week when a trio of lawyers from Baker Botts, a prestigious Houston-based law firm, filed a motion on behalf of Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz, the Saudi defense minister.[...] Baker Botts, Sultan’s law firm, for example, still boasts former secretary of State James Baker as one of its senior partners. Its recent alumni include Robert Jordan, the former personal lawyer for President Bush who is now U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia.

What about Mary-Kate & Ashley? Who better to represent our interests?

Source--Newsweek

OT but the "last comment by" feature is pretty cool.
Great idea, Charles.

Jim Baker is working his puppets right now. The Saudis do not want John Loftus digging for dirt on them. Baker is doing whatever it takes to defend the Saudis.

Hint: Baker's got more pull in the current government than Loftus.

Are we overthinking this? Maybe Robert Jordan was spotted eating a bagel.

Nick #11 -- does that mean that Jordan would be working *for* (defending) the Saud's if he returns to a position in his former law firm? Well hell, no wonder he has to quit. That's major conflict of interest, representing your country that's suing the Saud's in their embassy, while your law firm is defending them. I'm just surprised that someone made him do it before he was caught out.

#12 evariste  

What about Mary-Kate & Ashley? Who better to represent our interests?

Only 37 weeks to go ;)

#17

Of course. He's a big and well-respected attorney. He was Bush's personal lawyer and that says a lot, doesn't it? Before becoming ambassador, he had no diplomatic experience. At all. Expect the next Baker-puppet to be send soon.

I'm counting the days, Cornholio...
Meantime-who the hell are these Qorvis Quislings?! I want to know who they get the rest of their business from (doubtless major national corporations) and I want to apply very public pressures on these corporations to stop giving money to these whores, Q(uisling)orvis.

nick #11--oh baker and botts--so i was right-- they already got their humungous retainer--these guys suck each others cocks more than monica lewinsky--is that an objective foreign policy position mr. baker or just saudi come dribbling down your chin

HULUGU lol

Wasn't it Q(uisling)orvis behind those laughable "Allies Against Terror" ads? Boy, way to waste some Saudi money!
Yeah, those ads were really convincing.

U.S. Ambassador to Saudi Arabia was departing at the request of the Saudi government.

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

#20 evariste qorvis on huge pr retainer to fraudis--you should have seen them sweat at the child kidnapping hearings in the house--they have so mich saudi dick up their ass that they can't take a crap--tryly disgusting amoral pricks

This conspiracy theory, like most conspiracy theories, makes no sense. It makes no sense when the left resorts to deep conspiracy theories and it makes no sense when the right does it.
Jordan was asked to leave because he got involved in an internal Saudi matter. If you want to believe in the machinations of an illuminati, then brother, you can count me out.

Bwahahaha!
Someone got here by searching for "Islam discourage marriage of cousins".
Whoever you are-actually, Islam encourages cousin marriage.
There you go.

Qorvis is a pr/lobbying firm. Got to give the devil his due, given that the Saudi princes who funded 9/11 are still walking the face of the earth, Quorvis is doing one hell of a job.

But don't kid yourselves folks - even though Quorvis and Baker Botts working for the Saudis is as faustian and depraved as an American firm working for the Nazis during WWII- most other large law firms and lobbyists would rush in to take their spot.

As long as the conventional wisdom-CNN view of the Saudis doesn't change, the Saudis will continue to buy us.

The hell with that! See if they want to be the ambassadors to evaristan! Liquor is mandatory over here! Smoking (cigarettes) forbidden. And no ugly men in dishdashas or ladies in burqas either! Everyone wears whatever makes them hottest. That includes M-K& A!

P.S. evariste

don't forget Mary-Kate turns eighteen a good two minutes after Ashley :)

#26 lumiere take your freakin' head out of the sahara desert--its not an internal matter in the fraudi kingdom as to whether a sudieri like sultan or naif becomes king over abdullah--its the difference between dean and bush and it effects us very importanly--read robert baer's sleeping with the enemy and learn something--by the way--sometimes even paranoids really have enemies

I posted this on another thread. I apologize but I would never normally come to a forum and solicit a visit to another forum, but this is a unique scenario... PLEASE READ!!

hi lizard minions :)
i read this site all the time and sometimes post (rarely) but recently i've gotten into a debate on another website about Israel. It's come to the point where I'm basically arguing all on my own against a lawyer who is sympathetic to the Pali cause. she has repeatedly ignored history and looked at the situation from a snap-shot, here and now perspective. she nitpicks facts as her rebuttals, but doesn't address my points that the Arab nations have ALWAYS sought the destruction of Israel and still do. every time i post a list of factual historical events that lead to the current palestinian plight and stateless scenario, she throws the age old-"remove the settlements, remove the problem" argument in my face. she refuses to listen when i tell her that israel has repeatedly been attacked from that very land and to return it to a population so brainwashed to lust after Israel's destruction is extremely dangerous. yet she is extremely polite and intelligent so i fear that people may give extra clout to her POV b/c of her status as a well-spoken lawyer.

unfortunately, there are a LOT of people who don't know much about the topic and are actively following the thread. i must admit, it's a website about curly hair, but the non-hair discussion board. i'd bail out and forget about it, but it's really important to me that people see both sides of the argument b/c I know they're actually being influenced by what they read.

I'm a multimedia student and have a huge final project due this next week so I can't devote the time to the post that I have been...I've actually been letting my classes go so i can reply to her lengthy posts. If any of you have a chance to go and drop a few words, it would be greatly appreciated!!! it takes about 2 minutes to register and is free and you will have a whole forum of "virgin" members that are pretty much willing to listen to both sides with open ears.

there is some immaturity in the beginning of the post, but it dies off and becomes a mature debate by around the second or third page. i am the one who started the post, so i feel extra badly about not having the time to devote for the next week!!

thank you so much in advance.

here is the thread!!

the last 3-4 pages are where the debate gets good :)

#29 Cornholio

K-Street ;-) (Do a Google search on that....)

Cornholio-Mary-Kate's just going to have to control herself & watch for 120 seconds, unless we're in Kentucky!

Or Missouri!

Hmm, I see I've much t'larn 'bout the greatstate of Mazzurah.

Qorvis is cagey about its clients but it does say this:

Qorvis also announced the addition of four new clients in 2003: CMS Information Services, QuadraMed Corporation, SI International and Springboard Enterprises. 

and, "The Washington, D.C. based law firm of Patton & Boggs is an investor in and strategic partner to Qorvis."

I like the idea of sending letters to Qorvis clients suggesting they stop patronizing a lobbying firm that supports Saudi terrorism.

Me too. I only wish someone with clout like O'Reilly would publicize some of the corporations.
CMS Information Services, QuadraMed, SI International & Springboard...Don't they all sound totally gay anyway? And isn't Qorvis already way, way gay?

#28   rayra  
Just saw your post now. The all-important question: Can you score invitations to their upcoming birthday party? :)

Good on ya HULUGU #32, I don't know how I missed your post but I totally agree...it's the difference between war on Saudi & costly ocupation & them kissing our ass out of fear & loathing. I prefer the latter sitch, natch.

Lol, a name like Qorvis would definitely get the approval of Queer Eye for the Straight guy. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

Seriously, it scares me. (The Saudis paying off professional firms, not the gayass names.) I look at those firms and say there but for the grace of God goes the place I work at.

I can say that the only reason a firm will turn down the Saudis is if a big, big existing client threatens to leave if the firm starts ho'ing for the Saudis.

OT: The latest regarding Anna Lindh's assassination. It now appears it was a serb peeved at her support for the Kosovo war that killed her.

Cornholio-to my understanding several top Whorevis execs split in a fit of pique when they took on Saudi Arabia as a client. Good for they.

evariste:

Cool, I didn't know about that. Whorevis, LOL.

I'd like to think Qorvis will be forced out of business once the average American fully understands the depth of Saudi support for terrorism.

But it ain't gonna happen. Just like after CNN admitted it intentionally altered its reporting to help Saddam stay in power, the consequences were ?

Ah, not doing too good an insomniac lizard routine tonight. Time to crawl into my secret lizard den. I mean bed.

evariste k+ on your perceptive reading of the sitch--as an old phenominoligist once told me--we live in a world of perceptions --nite--i'm out[of here]

Well, I must sack out as well...watch a bit of fitba' on SportCenter and then it's sleepytimez...Goodnight to all my good friends...
:-D

Typical. I show up at a party and everybody leaves. Oh well, I'll just drink and have fun by myself. Good night folks, God bless and sleep tight. BTW, why is it "tight"? I agree that tight makes for good sleep. But shouldn't it be sleep well or something?

I lied, Atomic Redneck, I'm still here. Partayy!

Thanks evariste. It's nice to know I still have a friend. But, now I'm going to wimp. It's 2 a.m. my time. Another night of insomnia. I think I'm going to try to sleep again. I don't know if it's the stress of my job or the insanity of the world, but I haven't been able to get to sleep at a reasonable hour for months. I've been catching up on the other threads and things are just getting worse.

On the one hand, I wish that I could become calloused to it so that the news of the deaths wouldn't hurt anymore. On the other hand, if I ever reach that point I will have lost my soul.

I saw the movie "The Hindenburg" the other night. It was the old version with George C. Scott. They played the actual radio broadcast of the accident, with the "Oh the humanity" reporter. All I could think of was how innocent America was in those days. Thirty-some-odd people killed, the reporter was in tears on the radio and couldn't go on, and after the events of the last few years I was thinking that thirty-some wasn't too bad. Since 9-11 and starting to pay attention to the attacks in Israel, my tragedy threshold has risen. And I think that's a terrible thing. I want to still cry over the kitten run over in the road, but my tears have been used up crying for human beings.

I'm getting maudlin. Anyway, good night. Thanks for the company.

OT - This is from the (normally) LLL Sydney Morning Herald -

Beyond the US, there are 188 sovereign nations (give or take a microstate or two) and only one of them has fought beside it in every one of the major international wars the Americans have waged over the past 100 years.

Australia.

In the US's seven wars of the past century (not counting numerous and sometimes bloody military actions in Panama, Grenada, Somalia, Bosnia, Guatemala and elsewhere) - World War I, World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Gulf War, the Afghanistan war, and the Iraq war - only Australia fought in all seven wars, and every one of them was fought far from Australia's shores.

In World War I, when the population was only 5 million, 300,000 men enlisted for duty and the majority, 216,000 of them, were either killed, wounded or captured. To put this in perspective, it was the equivalent of today's US (with 290 million people) suffering 12 million military casualties.

This did not prevent Australia from fully committing, less than a generation later, to World War II, well before Japan started the Pacific war and forced the US to engage. Another quarter of a million Australians were killed, wounded or captured. Thousands more casualties were later endured in Korea, in Malaya and in Vietnam. Then came combat in the Persian Gulf, Afghanistan and a military face-off with the world's largest Muslim nation in East Timor.

Nothing changed this year. In January, long before the diplomatic dramas that would play out at the United Nations, the Howard Government began to deploy Australian forces to the Persian Gulf. In February, when the American Secretary of State, Colin Powell, was bombarded with complaints that the US would be isolated if it invaded Iraq, he responded, "Oh, I don't think we'll be going it alone." He already knew Australian and British forces were committed and in place. That same month, when the Gallup organisation conducted an international poll in 39 countries about attitudes to a war, Australia led the world in support for military action against Iraq.

Now, with the US engaged in what Washington calls a "war on terror", the Western democracy that so far has taken the most number of civilian casualties in this war, per capita, after the US and Israel, is Australia.

...

Why would a nation so far from harm be so willing to fight? Two basic reasons. Australia is an altruistic nation. It stands for something. With allies, it is willing to fight expansive tyrannies. As for the other reason, when Howard committed Australia to the American cause in Iraq, he did so for the same reason five of his predecessors went to war: the need to be aligned with a superpower that can stop an invasion from Asia, and did stop an invasion from Asia.

...

we live next to a nation with 200 million Muslims, with a history of political violence, a tradition of political corruption, an increasing level of Islamic militancy, a place where scores of Australians and hundreds of Christians have been murdered, a nation that could fall apart, or under the control of Islamic fundamentalism, or both.

In short, we need a great and muscular ally if the satay hits the fan.

That 12 Million figure makes the "quagmire" thing seem very silly, doesn't it? I for one, am proud to stand with the US and Israel. That said, I'm pissed off that we don't offer stronger support to Israel.

Hey, aren't twins off limits for practicing muslims? Seem to remember reading that, somewhere...

bill orielly for ambassador
what say you

#54 Jimmy

I'll nominate O'Rielly for self important populist assclown of the year - but I think Geraldo will nose him out

Let's send Teddy Kennedy over as ambassador. With his personal habits, the Fraudis will have him executed in no time.

#52 therien

Hey, aren't twins off limits for practicing muslims? Seem to remember reading that, somewhere...

Um, only when they reach majority age. Ask the prophet!

#55 Diplomatic immunity at its best.

OT: but the virtual counter demonstration to the anti-war movementhas started.

I nominate Barbie for Ambassador!

And again.........

At least three projectiles slammed into a Baghdad hotel housing U.S. military officers and civilian support staff early Saturday, hours after American soldiers killed at least two Iraqis at a checkpoint in Fallujah west of the capital.

......and more paleo child abuse, with butt shots!

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

Saudi beduins should be expelled from my country too!
We don't want them...they can return to drink their camels' milk in their desert..
that is their house..
I hope President Bush break the relationships with these bastards.I am sure he will do..Let us hope he will be re-elected! Please!!
i'd like you to add my site to your links' list.

italiangirl.splinder.it

God Bless America,the Great!

#59
Dar ul Harbarian

You beat me to it. I remember reading about a woman who spent hundreds of thousands on plastic surgery to look like Barbie. I think she could make a fine canidate.

And to my fellow Austinites here, how about Leslie?

Hey Stefi! Nice to to see ya here.

Stefania

Are Sheiks still infesting the Emerald Coast? How's Quadaffi's son? Is he still a lousy soccer player?

I'll email you later.

I personally believe Angelina Joile should be the next ambassdor to SA, since she already is goodwill ambassador for the UN High Commissioner for Refugees. And although I was under the cynical misconception that Mizz Jolie would have a hard time reading books without big pictures in them, it turns out she's quite the intellectual.

This comes, not from the Onion, but from yesterday's WSJ - Angelina's "review" of a book called "Iraq War and Its Consequences: Thoughts of Nobel Peace Laureates and Eminent Scholars" will be used to sell the books. (The "Eminent Scholars" include Chomsky; no mention of whether the thoughts of Nobel Peace Laureates Peres and Arafish will also be part of this fine collection.)

The WSJ writer, Dave Shiflett, points out:

While intending no sympathy, one can't help wondering how Nobel Laureates might feel about having Ms. Jolie serving as their pitchperson. All the acclaim of a Peace Prize and you can't get your book noticed without the help of a Hollywood High grad known for wearing a vial of her husband's blood around her neck, being advised publicly by father Jon Voight to seek mental-health treatment, and discussing the amorous thrills of using a knife in the bedroom.

Jolie for SA ambassdor!

al-Guardian has picked up the AP article about this that first appeared last night.

The American ambassador became embroiled in a public flap this summer when an Arabic language newspaper in London published what it said were remarks he made at a dinner party, expressing an opinion about the Saudi royal family's line of succession. The newspaper, al-Quds al-Arabi, quoted Jordan on July 9 as saying that the United States wanted the kingdom's current crown prince and de facto ruler, Abdullah, to become the next king and a member of the kingdom's younger generation of princes - grandsons of Saudi Arabia's founder, Abdul Aziz - to become the next crown prince.
U.S. officials contend Jordan was misquoted, said the senior official who confirmed Jordan's departure plans. American officials said the ambassador still enjoyed the confidence of both the American and Saudi governments.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

48 Atomic Redneck

regarding "sleep tight"

before the modern spring mattres bed, the bed had rope across the (wood) bed frame to keep the person off the ground.

If the ropes were not 'tight'..the sleeper would sag, and it would be uncomfortable

OT, another "militant" killed while making bombs(Pal child abuse photo on this URL as well);

[Link: reuters.com...]

#62 Stefania:

Ciao, e benvenuti! Spero che succede come dici tu!

Unfortunately, EU politicans set this immigration pattern into motion 30 years ago. For more info, check out Bat Ye'or's article Eurabia which was published at NRO last year. A sample:

After the Yom Kippur War and the Arab oil blackmail in 1973, the then-European Community (EC) created a structure of Cooperation and Dialogue with the Arab League. The Euro-Arab Dialogue (EAD) began as a French initiative composed of representatives from the EC and Arab League countries. From the outset the EAD was considered as a vast transaction: The EC agreed to support the Arab anti-Israeli policy in exchange for wide commercial agreements. The EAD had a supplementary function: the shifting of Europe into the Arab-Islamic sphere of influence, thus breaking the traditional trans-Atlantic solidarity. The EAD operated at the highest political level, with foreign ministers on both sides, and the presidents of the EC — later the European Union (EU) — with the secretary general of the Arab League. The central body of the Dialogue, the General Commission, was responsible for planning its objectives in the political, cultural, social, economic, and technological domains; it met in private, without summary records, a common practice for European meetings.

Europe's economic greed was instrumentalized by Arab League policy in a long-term political strategy targeting Israel, Europe, and America. Arab economical ascendancy over the EC influenced the latter's policy toward Israel. The EAD was the vehicle for legitimizing the propaganda of the PLO, procuring it international diplomatic recognition, and conferring on Arafat's terrorist movement honor and international stature by supporting Arafat's address to the General Assembly of the United Nations on November 13, 1974 . Through the labyrinth of the EAD system, a policy of Israel's delegitimization was planned at both the EC's national and international levels.

Read the whole thing.

#33 frequentReader occasionalPoster

Just read your posts on that other site. You are doing a great job. Obviously the other posters have their own bias's, espc when you see that she considers the Guardian an objective source...

Now go do your school work with the proud feeling that you've done a great job defending justice...

What spin will Whorvis Communications put on this issue?

Bremer: Kuwait, Saudi claim on Iraq unfair
By PAMELA HESS, Pentagon correspondent

WASHINGTON, Sept. 26 (UPI) -- Kuwait and Saudi Arabia should give up their reparation claims for Iraq's 1990 invasion and the subsequent Persian Gulf War because those two wealthy countries have 10 times the amount of money that Iraq does, the American administrator for Iraq said Friday.

"I have to say that it is curious to me to have a country whose per capita income GDP (gross domestic product) is about $800 -- that'll be Iraq (when oil begins to flow at pre-war levels) -- that a county that poor should be required to pay reparations to countries whose per capita GDP is a factor of 10 times that for a war which all of the Iraqis who are now in government opposed," said L. Paul Bremer at a Friday press briefing at the Pentagon. "So I think there needs to be a very serious look at this whole reparations issue."

[Link: interestalert.com...]

The last US Ambassador to Saudi Arabia to be bounced because he delivered a message the Saudis didn't like was Hume Horan. The subject was Saudi missle purchases from China. I would venture a guess that the crux of this matter has to do with F15s at Tabuk and/or keeping Saudi (and its clerics) out of Iraq. There has been a bit of noise about the Saudis wanting to send the organs of Wahbism into Iraq to "help them rebuild"

J.D. I think your points are good ones however I think the London Arabic newspaper thing is just routine disinformation put out all the time for public consumption so as to fan the flames of pre-existing paranoia in the arab world. If there is good documentation for the ambassador actually commenting on the Saudi sucession as described, I think he would have lost his job prior to the start of business the next day.

i'm sure the shiites of iraq will welcome the wahabbi saudis back into iraq after these fanatic nutbaggs destroyed the tomb of iman hussayn and slaughtered thousands when they invaded and took over karbala in 1802--no bad feelings there

not so...hume horan was a state dept. career arabist and immediately expendible --didn't have as much juice as bush's personal attorney and baker's partner with carlyle group ties

My nomination for the ambasadorship to Saudi Arabia:

1. Pamela Anderson (the first reception at the US embassy under her tenure in Riyad will feature the entire cast of Baywatch)
2. The Fab Five from "Queer Eyes for the Straight Guy" (it will be some sort of rotating ambasadorship though. And they will be allowed to bring their boyfriends along)
4. Charles Johnston (who will also chair a LGF club in S.A)

HULUGU, Astute observations, as always. When do you think the pot will really get to a boil? And what will be the main ingrediants of the stew?

Andi,unfortunately they are still in my island! Think,Saudi Prince Waleed Bin Talal often comes to luxurious village near my city (!!) .this village is named "Fort Village",but some americans go there ,too.
As for Qadhafi's son,he continues to do his business deals with Juventus and Perugia soccer teams...He plays with Perugia,but he never played since he was bought this year! His family was been always anti-italian,and helped Arafat to committ suicide attacks at the Rome Airport and to an italian cruise ship Achille Lauro ... and no one asks for Abu Abbas to be sent to Italy to face trial!!
BTW,does Bush have any chance to be re-elected? I think that he might do better,but there is no alternative so far.. this is my opinion..
Democrats do nothing but attacking him and Clark... I think they are not ready to handle a country in war against terror!
The economy seems to be growing.. it is enough to see the latest news...but it is noteworthy that America was hit by the most brutal terrorist attack and it was a mortal strike..This also made the economy going down...I wonder what Gore would do if he was into power and found himself in front to a global act of war ,which is the Islamist terrorism??
America and the Free world is at war against terror.Sacrifice is needed..War cannot be won easily in 2 days,as the leftists wish..Surely the US will win this global war,after all it has won against the Soviet Union...
Forget Europe..Forget the French.. they will never change..France will become an islamic state...Personally,i am an agnostic and anti-clerical...but i support Bush's foreign policy...
America is the best country in the world!

Now Robert Jordan can go back to writing incredibly long fantasy novels!

#51. Interesting article, David. Could you provide a link?

With the Saudis..follow the money always. And follow the recurring "characters" they employ now..and who they have had on their payroll for 50 years. What Agencies, what areas of the country, what Universities, what Mega Businesses, what FAMILIES do you see connected with the Saudis over and over again?

We had better get a handle on this or our Freedom to speak and act and actually BE a Free Country..is endangered. Thats all there is to it.

Steph: From ANOTHER Stephanie...You are right. America and the Western world must cut the crap..and face the fact that they are in the fight of their lives. This is WW4..(I believe we already lost WW3 to Islam). ie France and England... Forces of the Islamic World, their religion and politics indistinguishable from each other, is bound and determined to "occupy" as much of the world for Islam as they can. Is it every single solitary Islamic person in the world that wants this and is involved in this? NO..BUT a minority of Islam IS..and a Minority of a Billion people is a whole lot of people.

Its up to the PEOPLE in America to let their polititians know that we realize what is going on in the world..we can read Arabic and Islamic Papers..we see their textbooks, we see their stomach turning hatred for Jews and the Christians, WE..the People "Get It"..At some point the politicians HAVE to listen..(look what happened when 50 millions Americans DEMANDED that they NOT be called by Telemarketers)..When politicians know we mean business..they respond. They will respond to our outrage on this issues as well as the Telemarketing issue..(YES..it is the same and works the same)...

Love love love..Italy...Art, YUM...Food Yummier...People love em too.

#71 BTN,

i can't do work on rosh hashanah! LOL :) but thanks for checking out the post. someone has jumped in and sort of taken over since i wrote that my last post would be the final post...i really appreciate your checking it out and your encouragement...you're the best and THANK YOU!

OT-Leah #83.I hear that a Denver federal judge has put the do not call list on hold. Also you can buy the do not call list for your area code on a CD-Rom for 25.00
Also a lot of sales people view "No solicitors" signs (and presumably Do not Call people) as great sales calls. It means those folks are susceptible to being sold, i.e. they are announcing it.
Futher, the law allows, I am told, that a charity or a political entity use. That would include a charity saying "this is the foot assn calling to offer refinancing with traders federal savings and loan"
Also, if you have a prior contact with a solicitor they can call you back even if you are onthe do not call list.That is why during this period there have been so many calls.

Big L..I know that the Telemarketers will get around the LIST if they can in any way possible..BUT..I did want to make the point that it does register on our representatives when the People mean business on an issue. Sounds frivolous to compare the two issues..but when you get down to the nitty gritty of how representative government works ..it works the same.

I'm from DC area and I know this..Elected Reps..LOVE it here. Its called "Potomac Fever"..IF they think that their constituents will not let them remain in power, IN THE KNOW, and in DC if they are vote in opposition to the American Peoples wishes, these Reps will quickly ACT to be in agreement with the American People..wether it be an issue in Domestic Policy OR Foreign Policy.

Over and over again, despite the Mega Millions spent by the Islamic World on PR..for 50 years...the American PEOPLE..instinctively know..that supporting Democratic Countries, is the same as supporting THEIR safety..Israel is the only Dem Country (using the NORMAL definition of Democracy) in the ME..IF we let them know we mean business and will vote them OUT if they support people AND countries who have gone "over the top", supporting their own Culture and Religion, ie trying to OCCUPY as much of the World as they can, Our Reps. will quit FN around..tell the lobbyists, tell the Arabists in America and around the world-- to go to Heck..