savagery, pure and simple.

Where's her escort? I think an honor killing is called for.

I wonder if there will ever come a point where the civilized world realizes that Islam is not a religion in the traditional sense but a political ideaology like Nazism or Communism. Masquerading as a religion certainly has its strategic advantages.

The traditional religions (i.e. Christianity, Judiasm, Buddhism,...) have at their core a belief in the value of human life, compassion and good works whereas Islam encourages murder, destruction, nihilsm and subjugation. The U.S. government should enact a law that states that any group seeking to overthrow democratic governments through violence is not a "religion" but a political group.

I say let's put aside anger, indignation and outrage and get to work on first educating Americans that Islam is NOT a religion. Those of us that know exactly how evil and dangerous Islam is have a responsibility to educate or neighbors, friends associates.

So...I guess she's having her period and he...well got his hands full.

There is a hell of a gap between cultural diversity and cultural literacy. The pictures above show the horrors of naievity.

Isn't giving the Nazi salute illegal in Germany? Seriously?

I will never forget the sick feeling in the pit of my stomach the day the second picture above was broadcast. This comparison really says it all.

Interesting article in the NY Times about conservatives in the academia.

Lonely Campus Voices

The most common advice conservative students get is to keep their views in the closet. Will Inboden was working on a master's degree in U.S. history at Yale when a liberal professor pulled him aside after class and said: "You're one of the best students I've got, and you could have an outstanding career. But I have to caution you: hiring committees are loath to hire political conservatives. You've got to be really quiet."

So where are the "good Germans"? Ready to jump in to help the Pali's regain their Sudetenland?

Here is a little more on the coward in the window.

AP caption was amazing. According to them, she's holding a red hand.

#6 andthenblammo!

Isn't giving the Nazi salute illegal in Germany? Seriously?

Apparently not if you are a "peace activist"...

Wondering if AP, or anyone else in the media, will explain the bloody hand symbolism...

.::crickets::.

From Jerry S's link:

Israeli police have reportedly beaten Thabet Abas Assi, 23, a Palestinian who was photographed waving blood-drenched hands to a crowd outside the Ramallah police station during the torture of the Israeli reservists.

A beating? That's it? I know we in the West are not supposed to behave this way, but can anyone blame them?

#10 Jerry S Thank You. Thank You Very Much.

Oh, and how strangely appropriate, she has "war is hell" banner behind her.

K-
An interesting piece, esp. for NYT. A Berkeley grad student once told me that there isn't much diversity of opinions among the faculty and grad students at Cal [on the subject of Iraqi war] because they are all smart.

For us WAR is HELL, for them TERRORISM is PARADISE.

It is pointless talking to people inspired by the very images of extreme savagery that sicken us. Given an opportunity, the blood on the bitch' hands would be real and ours.

It is either us, or them. The only good muslim is a dead muslim.

Korannibals caught redhanded.

What makes me really ill is not her red hands but the smug look of hatred on her face.

(Slightly OT) I'm having a lot of fun moonbat huntin at the NJ Indymediot website (NJ site is home of Abe Greenhouse) An example, moonbat article says:

by Lorna 10:52am Sat Sep 27 '03 (Modified on 11:14am Sat Sep 27 '03) Associated Press Writer
NEGAHOT, West Bank - A Palestinian gunman fired into a trailer home in this
hilltop Israeli settlement during Jewish New Year's festivities
This is horrible news.

But...WHY did we not hear about the 5 Palestinian children shot dead by
the Israeli Defense Forces this month?

All Children are important.

End the Occupation.
All settlements out according to UN 242#
Stop US tax dollar funding until Israel complies with International Laws.

I reply with:

Why? by Jacques Strap 11:14am Sat Sep 27 '03

Yes. WHY do we not hear about the Israelis blowing themselves up in Pali cafes? WHY do we not hear about the Israelis carrying out suicide bombings against Pali buses? WHY do we not hear about Israelis throwing rocks at Pali women and children as they pray at their most sacred mosques?

WHY do we not hear about muslim journalists getting decapitated by Israeli fundamentalists? WHY do we not hear about Israelis blowing up U.N. buildings in Iraq? WHY do we not hear about 19 Israelis hijacking planes and murdering 3000 Americans?

Clearly it is the pro-Jew media slant.

@3 dc

I practically preach to everyone that I talk to, even strangers. I have started educating them in who the islamicfacists really are...maddened rabidic animals.
The point of reasoning with them has been gone for almost 2 thousand years.
They naught but killing machines.

Maybe she had just helped perform a clitorectomy, and hadn't had time to wash before the big rally. Moslem woman, you've come a long way, baby!

Rub the stub in the tub.

#3 and #19

I couldn't agree more. Islam is not a religion. It is a cesspool of hatred and violence. There is no god named Allah. Mohammed was a pedophile.

I have lots of fun with my Islamic acquaintances.

I wish I were still teaching (children other than my own, that is) so I could show my students these two pictures side by side and ask them for response.

Before the LLL college professors hijack their sensibilities.

As it is, I WILL introduce my oldest daughter to these pictures, side by side. I never speak bad about Islam in front of her. I just show her the evidence. She has made up her own mind.

It's amazing, but children aren't stupid unless you teach them to be.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...

Get a "bourka" on that woman.

Yuck!

Quark2,

I tell everyone and anyone also...

Had a biff of a tiff with some LLL who showed up at my sister's b-day party. (No friend of my sisters)

My husband is sick of it...but I won't relent...He is even starting to tell people and some collegues at work.
He is disgusted by Islam, especially Muhammad...He has got four daughters, and the female genital mutilation, honor killings, and pedophilia, sicken him!

He asks me, why do I dwell on ths stuff...It is all anger and hatred...

Know thy enemy...
Prepare for battle...
Spread the word...

I will not go "dhimmi" unto that good night!!!
Nor will my daughter...

A little something else to think about--from the latest issue of Foreign Affairs, a piece by one Marc Lynch:

[Link: www.foreignaffairs.org...]

[snip]
...Ironically, for this administration above all others, taking Arab public opinion seriously cannot be considered either a luxury or a concession to "Arabists" lurking in the bureaucracy. It is instead crucial to the success of the administration's own strategy, which links U.S. security to a democratic and liberal transformation of the region. The Bush team's practice, however, has worked against its stated goals, largely because it has been based on misguided assumptions about the Arab world.

One such assumption is that Arabs respect power and scorn attempts at reason as signs of weakness -- and so the way to impress them is to cow them into submission. Another assumption is that Arab public opinion does not really matter, because authoritarian states can either control or ignore any discontent. Still another is that anger at the United States can and should be disregarded because it is intrinsic to Islamic or Arab culture, represents the envy of the successful by the weak and failed, or is simply cooked up by unpopular leaders to deflect attention from their own shortcomings. And a final, increasingly common notion is that anti-Americanism results from a simple misunderstanding of U.S. policy. Together, these concepts have produced an approach that combines vigorous military interventions with a dismissal of local opposition to them, offset by occasional patronizing attempts to "get the American message out" (through well-intentioned but ineffective initiatives involving public diplomacy, advertising, and the promotion of radio stations featuring popular music). Not surprisingly, the result has been to alienate the very people whose support the United States needs in order to succeed.
[snip]

Read on--not a big article, but too much for snipping.
Any opinions? Comments? Agree?/Disagree?/(In-between?)

she's holding up her left hand--the next time she wipes herself her ass will have red skidmarks--i'd call her an asshole--but she's more like a color coordinated anal decorator

#18 Cornholio--

Unfortunately, your reply is not good enough. You see, the logic of the other side is that Occupation is just as bad as murder of women and children. Jewish settlements, and the checkpoints, bypass roads, and fences needed to protect them, are just as evil as exploded discos, pizzerias, and bars. Worse in fact, because the checkpoints and the like serve to perpetuate the "illegal" Occupation and to interfere with legitimate resistance. That is the premise of the Roadmap, which puts "settlement activity" on a par with terrorism and posits that we cannot stop the one without stopping the other.

Life (activity, expressly including "natural growth") is just as evil as death (terror) according to the Roadmap. Not exactly what Moses had in mind when he famously cried out towards the end of his life (Deut. 30:19)

I call heaven and earth as witnesses! Before you I have placed life and death, the blessing and the curse. You must choose life, so that you and your descendants will survive.

In a putrid and cowardly straddle, the champions of the Roadmap ask us to refuse both.

#24 aw---marc lynch's typical cfr establishment take on the importance of the arab street is to reality as david lynch's take on small town america--i'd rather placate the brooklyn street than the deluded fuckwits in cairo coffee houses

The idiots with the sign don't understand the context of the quote. BTW, be careful linking to the picture "this one". It's not for the faint hearted.

Thank you Charles for showing both pictures. I wonder if that Ay-rab loving, beret wearing pussy, Peter Jennings, will be showing this on the Apeasment Broadcasting Channel anytime soon.

LGF regulars-Your doing an excellent job!!!

Go Red Sox...sink Oaktown

#24 AW 9/27/2003 11:47AM PST

What criteria does the author use to prove that neo con policies have failed? That people "don't like us"? Have they ever? What is his criteria for "success"?

Watch how tommorow we catch Saddam, and someday soon Bin Laden, and "experts" like this guy will crawl back under their rocks.

As far as I'm concerned, Bush has weathered 9/11, two successful wars, and the economy isn't an absolute shambles. That's pretty successful to me, though obviously the job isn't done, and won't be done soon.

But the Liberal opposition, always the ones to decry "simplistic solutions", are now the ones clamoring for those simplistic solutions. Absolute hypocrites.

Shaving that mustache took years off Saddam.

actually the red hands are appropriate for those that back criminals and terrorists. after all they are the ones with innocent blood on their hands. and like a previous poster asked doesn't germany have a law against the nazi salute, hopefully someone over there can point that out to the local police and hopefully these facist supporters can be rounded up at dawn and be cited or charged on grounds of incitement.

OT

any info on protests like these at one of the Penn State campuses would be appreciated i'll be getting a digital camera soon and i could post some picts maybe even rouse up a few counter demonstrators

#24 AW

I couldn't get past the second page of that anti-Bush-administration article. Kind of a theme they have going - "anti". The following (I've posted it before) is well-written and far more honest.

The Falseness of Anti-Americanism

[Link: www.foreignpolicy.com...]

This is how far the “peace” movement has degenerated in Europe, where terror supporters mingle with “antiwar activists” and no one even notices the insane dissonance.

What dissonance?

Is the woman in the top photo subconsciously confessing something even as she tells herself that it is all about the evil Jews? Nah, that'd require a conscience.

Certainly war is hell. No argument there. But I have the funny feeling we aren't in agreement over who is at fault for all that spilled blood. I can't quite put my finger on it. Something about rejecting over 95% of what they asked for despite being on the losing team in several regional wars that they started... Help me out here!

Certainly if her red painted hand WAS commemorating such savagery, that is despicable.

But what, exactly, makes you think that she is?

I would have guessed that her statement was "you people who support the war have blood on your hands", or even "you supporters of Israel have blood on your hands", but not "Hey look at me, I'm at an anti-war demonstration and I'm support tearing people limb from limb"

While its certainly possible, it seems to be a stretch to make the connection simply based on visual similarities in two photos, especially when there's a much more straight forward interpretation of her statement.

"Those who refuse to support and defend a state have no claim to protection by that state. Killing an anarchist or a pacifist should not be defined as "murder" in a legalistic sense. The offense against the state, if any, should be "Using a deadly weapon inside city limits," or "Creating a traffic hazard," or "Endangering bystanders," or other misdemeanor."

Lazarus Long

Hey, look! Another Schultz who knows nothing!

The fact is, the "peace" movement since WWI has been about three things: self-aggrandizement, support of dictators, and hatred of western free societies. The assumption shouldn't be that "peace" protestors are against violence, but that they are in support of violence against the socities they are in.

The idea of a terrorst supporter marching in a "peace" protest is not shocking; here in the US, supporters of mass-murderers march in "peace" marches all the time. Hell, the anti-war protestors during Vietnam openly expressed their admiration for -- and desire to emulate -- Mao.

OT I just wanted to try Charles, new feature on the main page on this site.

Although it's entirely possible, yes, probable, we do not know whether she's Muslim or not.

#41 ncw

Riiight! She could be Martian!

There will be a "protest" here in San Francisco on Sunday. Medusa Benjamin promises to be there.
Any chance there will be someone around to throw a pie in her face?

#36 RussSchultz

Taken out of context, your interpretation may seem reasonable, but there IS a context when you consider the organizers and participants of this "peace" rally: radical Islamists, aging Marxists, and black-masked anarchists, none of whom see "peace" the way the rest of the civilized world sees it. They are, in fact, promoting revolution. They see the "brave, brave, brave Palestinians resisting" the "vast, evil Zionist military machine" as the embodiment of their revolutionary ideals, violence being the purest, "necessary" form of "resistance". And besides, you'd have to have been living in a cave the last 3 years NOT to have seen that other picture.

who said she was muslim ncw?

scott in east bay,

Will the Abe Greenhouse clones be there with their own pies?

PIE FIGHT ON MARKET STREET!

"Since pacifists have more freedom of action in countries where traces of democracy survive, pacifism can act more effectively against democracy than for it. Objectively, the pacifist is pro-Nazi."
-George Orwell

Or in this case, objectively pro-islamonazi

I know this is off topic but still this article upset me so much.Gideon Levy is at it again.He has so much hate against his own people.This article is overflowing with bias. [Link: www.haaretz.com...] Wonder if he would even dare to interview the parents of that 2 month old that was murdered in cold blood yesterday by the poor,oppressed Palestinians he sympathizes with so much?

Here is another Palestinian waving her bloodstained hands in the air. And this aint no "peace movement" demonstration.

From the Paleo child abuse slideshow

God forbid that these moonbats actually think that the invasion & occupation of Iraq is problematic!

I can't believe there are civilised people who could think that way.

It's Loons On Parade in London. All you need is to put masks on them and give'em AKs and you've got a Pali march. From the looks of it, the message is pretty much the same: "Kill The Jews! And Down With The West!"

#50 BongoMan

Did you say "civilized?"

Yesterday on a highway overpass close to where I live, there was a protest. It was maybe 6 people strong--from the banners they were all either gay activists or Communists--and they were protesting against the liberation of Iraq. As I drove past them, the cops were just showing up. It would have done my heart good to stick around and watch those trustafarians being unceremoniously removed from the area, but I had to get home.

Strange, strange bedfellows, that gay people would protest in favor of these despotic Muslim regimes, when those regimes would happily drop buildings on all gay people.

ghouls the lot of them:

1 : a legendary evil being that robs graves and feeds on corpses

[Link: www.m-w.com...]

...#43 Scott--I'll see if I can get over there tomorrow. What kind of pie for New Year's? Apple & Honey would be appropriate, no?

#29--I'm with you up until the last line. Not in our house. And if we hadn't given youse guys Damon, you'd be entirely sunk...

I find the dhimmis in the background even more disgusting than the bloody wench of Muhammed.

Of course she supports Islamists and Islamic murderers of non-muslims, she's 'in the fold', but those people in the background, being free people, should know better.

What is wrong with them, that they cant see the truth, when its staring them right in the face? Day after day.
I just cant understand them.
The only thing I can think of is they will not accept the truth, they choose not to.
Which is even more troubling, it's easier to think maybe they just dont realise the truth yet, or havent learned enough about Islam and its threat to the world, but lately I think maybe they do know the truth, they just reject it by choice.
People like that do as much, and probably more damage, that the Islamists.

Their sign says war is hell...I think living in oppression,misogyny,rape,torture,honor killing,baby factory for the "cause",religiouspolice,amputation,floggi
ng,stoning,sex slavery,pedophilic,master faith Islamic "peace" would be more of a hell.

#57 you are a sick individual

PEOPLE, it is a TROLL. DO NOT FEED IT.

I know I probably don't have to say anything, you folks are smarter than that and Charles is quicker than that. That was just a preemptive warning.

#57
ghoul

I forget, which type of troll is #57? The kind that leave uber-inflamatory remarks that are so over the top that they themselves probably don't even believe it.

Fire up the troll bug zapper.

Bzzzap!

OT -- Some promising news

U.S. Troops Find Missiles Near Saddam's Hometown

57# get lost you racist creep

#59 Formerly Stormi, now Mrs Robinson

PEOPLE, it is a TROLL.

Are you sure? It sounds like a "pacifist"...

Mr Pol...

Honestly, what is the difference?

#57

At first I was glad when Edward Said died - he looked like a n*****

Nah he looked liked the freaky leftist/outofwhackrightist who want worldwide Jihad.

Spiny Norman

I forget, which type of troll is #57?

It's L'Enfant Provocateur

OT: This looks interesting, despite the pro-pali slant of the writer... Jane's says that after the holidays are over, so are the splodydopes coming from Gaza.

#65 Formerly Stormi, now Mrs Robinson

Honestly, what is the difference?

Pacifists believe their own bullshit.

#68 Cybrludite

Would you attack at the exact moment and place the enemy expects you to?

The moronic look on the face of that so called woman has convinced me that as is typical amongst Arabs, she is inbred from an incestuos relationship between her mother and her mother's uncle.

Mr Pol

You do have a point there. Pacifists do appear to believe their own bullshit. So are you saying that our troll/pacifist believes his bullshit, or does not believe it and is just trying to get a rise out of us minions?

Mr. Pol

Always keep your enemy off balance and guessing.

#72

Pacifists do appear to believe their own bullshit.

Ask commited Quakers.

Anyone notice how starnge it is that in a "peace" march in Germany, the signs are not in German but in English?

#45 -- Who says she's Muslim now?

Charles did in his original post.

The only point I'm trying to make is that the leap to assume she's a Muslim -- entirely reasonable leap -- has not been supported by anything I've seen on the record.

There are Arab Christians, you know. Druze. And others of different sectarian persuasions.

I assume she's Muslim. But that's an assumption.

#72 Formerly Stormi, now Mrs Robinson

You do have a point there. Pacifists do appear to believe their own bullshit. So are you saying that our troll/pacifist believes his bullshit, or does not believe it and is just trying to get a rise out of us minions?

I think we might have a genuine pacifist. The disgusting racism and the call to murder seem to point that way, at least.

CC senor, that shot of the flatbed is far mor impressive when viewed in color, however nothing that you could see left near as much an impression as the the smell of it on the Kuwait City-Basra highway in Feb-91. I think there's still a seat left on that truck for # 57.

#76 ncw

Druzes are not Arabs. Do not make that mistake when a Druze is physically nearby. And calling the Druze religion a "sectarian persuation" must be one of the fastest and most efficient suicide methods known to mankind.

Christian Arab women do not feel the need to cover their hair.

#76 ncw

I personally can attest to the fact that Germany is lousy with the Muslims. You can't go anywhere, out to a club or just walking in a city after dark, without running into crowds of Turkish or Arab thugs.

There are certain clubs, in Bitburg and Trier, both cities close to where I live, where you just don't go because of the thugs. I went to one and got molested. It took three of my (very large and unruly) friends to get rid of this Turk, because the guy wouldn't take no for an answer and kept coming back. The question he wasn't taking no for an answer to wasn't 'will you dance with me', it was 'I'm going to feel you up and there's nothing you can do about it'.

#78 gymnast

That was what I was thinking about when looking at the picture and reading that quote. People who have never seen combat keep talking about the horrible things they didn't see. Those who did are not bothered by pictures. It's the smell.

#80 Formerly Stormi, now Mrs Robinson

That's because you don't know their language. In Turkish and Arabic, 'No' is spelled with a baseball bat.

#47 MonkeyPants

The George Orwell quote you provided got me to searching on google and I found this URL. Quite appropriate for today, written on Oct. 1st, 2001. A good read, I think...

[Link: www.americasvoices.org...]

Mr Pol

Possibly the fists of three of my very large and unhappy friends? I think they knew his language.

#84 Formerly Stormi, now Mrs Robinson

Alternate spelling, probably :-)

The bloody hand thing has nothing to do with anti-Semitism, of course.

Nope, the Europeans are just displaying their moral superiority and sophistication.

I'm so glad that the French and the Germans are there to guide us unsophisticated North Americans.

Here is a good one by Steven Plaut from his blog.

---

Sure we think that if Palestinians have legitimate grievances this entitles them to mass murder Jews. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

Naturally, we think that the only people on earth who should never be allowed to exercise the right of self-defense are the Jews. Jews should only resolve the aggression against them through capitulation, never
through self-defense. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

We only denounce racist apartheid in the one country in the Middle East that is NOT a racist apartheid country. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

---

80 Formerly Stormi, now Mrs Robinson

Sad, very sad indeed. I was stationed at Ramstien AB in the early 80's. I have no desire to go back to Germany now, much less any where outside of the US.

I loved the town of Bernkastel-Kues, I used to go there at least once a month. I do miss the bier and food, but not that bad!

#87 KevinP

I work at SpangQuentin. Bernkastel is really close to me, and it's a cute little town, but I don't even bother going to the wine fest there. I don't bother going to any of the fests. The reason is I get molested at all of them. The first year I was here I went to all the fests. Getting fondled by strangers (sad to say, but as often as not, by Americans) got really old really fast.

Update on the anti-war march that occurred in London today:

organisers claiming that as many as 100,000 people attended the march from Hyde Park to Trafalgar Square. The Metropolitan Police put the figure at up to 15,000.

[Link: news.independent.co.uk...]

Sure to them --100,000 --15,000 hardly any difference --

After all the Muslims claim there are 6 to 10 million American Muslims while legitimate studies put it between 1 and 2 million!

I'm glad that they will leave fingerprints of their ghoulish behaviour.

88 Formerly Stormi, now Mrs Robinson

I hear ya. It's easy to see the "ugly American", I saw that firsthand the first time I went to a nude beach. Sorry to hear you are having such a hard time there.

Funniest thing I saw in Germany was at the annual Ramstien AB airshow. The usual useful idots would show up and have a die-in, complete with fake blood. I saw a 92 year old man beating one of the protestors, after the protestors were arrested, I talked to the elderly man for a few minutes. He told me the reason he beat the protestors with his cane was because they had no idea of what the allied forces saved Germany from in world war 2. He was yelling and cursing them in German while beating them laying on the ground, funny as hell to replay that in my mind, even today! LOL

That was usually the way it was, the younger Germans were against the US being there, the elderly Germans knew why we were there still. After less than 60 years, the Germans are going back to the mentality of the 1930's once again. Only worse, now that the islamofacist are there also...

I wish you well and nothing but the best. Just make sure you keep someone you trust close by when traveling offbase.

The demosntrators always lie and exaggerate their numbers.

OT this article is for Wild Justice and every LGFer who admires the Aussies.

Why we're all the way with the USA

The big crowd at Yankee Stadium had no idea who they were standing for, but as the organist belted out Waltzing Matilda they got to their feet, applauding. When the musical interlude moved to Advance Australia Fair, it was the first time anyone could remember a foreign national anthem being played at the US's most fabled stadium.

Iron Fist

Thanks for the advice, but your little tip about running tells me you've never been to a German wine/beer/pig fest before. Seething (not the Pali kind of seethe, though) masses of humanity. There is nowhere to move, you're literally crushed up against hundreds of people and you move as a group, and drunks take advantage of the proximity of bodies to let their hands wander where they have no business being. Best way to avoid it is simply to not go. That's the only way, actually.

Kevin P

I usually travel in a pack. Rollin' wit my homies, yo.

Regarding my post on #93, this is my favorite part of the article.

"...we live next to a nation with 200 million Muslims, with a history of political violence, a tradition of political corruption, an increasing level of Islamic militancy, a place where scores of Australians and hundreds of Christians have been murdered, a nation that could fall apart, or under the control of Islamic fundamentalism, or both.

p>

In short, we need a great and muscular ally if the satay hits the fan..."

Looking at the Freak in the picture with her menstrual discharge on her right hand, I know exactly what he is talking about!

P.S. - sorry for being so scatalogical.

Formerly Stormi, now Mrs Robinson

When I was over there, I had to check under my car seat everytime I went offbase. The Bader-Meinhof gang would put bombs under the driver's seat of cars with American plates. Not to kill you, but just mess you up.

I hardly ever went offbase after 6 punks jumped and robbed me. Afterwards a friend taught me some oriental street fighting. He and I went and found them, they tried to jump me again...needless to say, the 6 lost against two. We also took THEIR money that night, plus leathers and EVERYTHING they had on. I wonder how they explained to the Polzei why they were naked, if they got caught walking naked... (The "good ole days"!) LMAO

Just be careful and keep a bunch of homies around at all times. Thumbs to the eyes work well also, especially if you have long fingernails! ;o)

I just have to chime in and say that I think Australians are fabulous people and the year I spent there was just about the best time of my life. Which has absolutely nothing to do with me being 18 and out from under the parental thumb and being of legal drinking age. No sirree bob. Nuh uh.

They're friendly and helpful people, and I never met an unattractive Australian. All the ugly people I met there were European tourists.

I live off base (don't have the option of base housing, as I'm not military) and just as the war kicked off I had my car vandalized, my front window broken, and some little neighborhood peace activist bastard wrote 'Osama bin Laden says Danke' on the side of my house.

Not to mention all the other petty shit that still crops up from time to time.

Iron Fist

That's the thing, if you're a large and angry looking male, people give you space. Whereas, if you're me, you frequently get stepped on by people because they just don't see you way down there.

In a way Eddie Said was right, that the west will never understand the islamic world.

The reason is that the west's morals are the exact polar opposite to that of islam, they were never meant to exist together. fuck understanding.
For example:

"Evil westerners" believe that the rape of women who do not obey or get caught not wearing a tarp is misanthopic, repulsive, sadistic, evil, and sick, instead as muslims see it; a freakin' moral obigation. Demonstaiting the polar morals: The western definition of rape, is called women's rights in islam.

Whenever a muslim talks about, the US/Mossad/West have come to "rape are women", what are they talking about then? Its a fucking joke.

101 stormi f n m.r.
It sounds like anarchy there. I wonder if LGF-ers hjad a parade whether the police would hassle.

#10

Good link on the savage, but does anyone know what happened to him in the time aftrer that story? It's been almost three years.

#78 gymnast

I've seen it and smelled it as a combat vehicle mechanic - in Viet Nam, and the memory of it never dies. I was offered a tour of the area shortly after the action, but passed, for obvious reasons.

So, even if she IS an islamo-fascist, or an aging marxist/communist, how exactly do you get that she is commemorating THAT incident?

Especially when this hands painted red thing is pretty damn common.

wolfiwitz is on cspan now.

Iron Fist,

You really do have some strange ideas about yourself. You have a bizarre obsession with telling all how tough you are, I liked the story about your shooting three men who tried to run you down or some bullshit story similar to that. How crowds part because of your manliness, your very presence is enough to send chills up and down spines as all run to clear your path. And then there is the love of bikers. Members of outlaw motorcycle gangs are members of criminal organizations who are really large sacks of shit and enjoy intiminating civilians, nothing more, nothing less.

#109 Mar M
STFU

Mr. Pol, #70

Would you attack at the exact moment and place the enemy expects you to?

Not if I have any say in the matter. I suspect from the title of the story that whoever the leak is, they're trying to prevent the action from taking place by leaking it.

Stormi/Mrs. Robinson:

That's the thing, if you're a large and angry looking male, people give you space.

Also, sometimes, if you're black. From your stories, sounds like it came in handy.

I never had anything like the molestation you're referring to happen to me, but I don't doubt your experience. Many of my white female friends told similar stories.

German guys asked me out, bought me beer, but never got crazy. Arab types flirted but kept their distance.

I suspect that this was because, being black, it was obvious that I was likely a GI, and therefore, likely had big tough male GI friends.

#108 Iron Fist

Bravo!

She has blood on her hands. That is the most

"straight forward interpretation of her statement."

Iron Fist,

don't expect Mar to answer you. It would require her to actually address the issue rather than your person.

Lefty Moonbats such as Mar have gotten away with their slogans about racist, nazi, etc, and now "tough guy", for so long that their debating muscles are all but atrophied.

Holy crap, somehow I'm a leftist. Wow. And if I go to Indymedia I'm a fascist. Maybe I'm getting something right.

Painting your hands red in protest is to say "you have blood on your hands" is the common thing I was talking about, not painting your hands red in general. That's obviously not common.

I question the logical conclusion of having her hands being painted red and her supporting the lynching that happened. Sure, she might, but there's zero logical proof that she does.

I mean, there's photos with president Bush mid wave, looking like he's doing the Hitler salute thing, and that's one of the most asinine comparisons I've ever seen made by Bush-haters. And you do the same thing with her!

Photographical simularities do not offer logical proof of idealogical ones.

Christ, you give us conservatives a bad name. Especially when you devolve into ad hominem attacks when you don't have any logical leg to stand on.

I'm not suprised LGF gets labeled as a hate group, because there's plenty of it here.

What's the lady trying to say? Islam has blood on it's hands?

No, she's saying the US, Britain have Iraqi blood on their hand for invading, and Israel for "oppressing" the Palestinians.

Not that I agree with her, but I'd bet my bottom dollar she isn't doing as homage to the lynching in Ramallah.

#118

I agree, it's only pure (dare I say, paranoid) conjecture that links the two photos.

Perhaps you can show non-Leftists painting their hands red, indicating blood, etc.

Anti-abortionists have been known to throw red paint indicating blood at abortion clinics. I wouldn't characterise anti-abortionists as rightists, but many of them qualify as "non-Leftists". I can't find any specific examples of them painting their hands red from a 5 minute Google search, but hey, close enough.

abortion protest

*boggle*

It must be past your bedtime. Try again after you get some sleep; maybe you'll actually read beyond what you THOUGHT I wrote based on your misguided idea that I'm a leftist and what I actually wrote.

I'm not suggesting that she's "right wing", or even not "left wing". If you'd actually read what I wrote, you'd see that.

You'd also read that I disagreed with her sentiment.

Iron Fist;

That is the first thing I thought when I saw the woman with her hands painted red!
I saw the photo even before Charles posted it...I was obvious to me that she was paying homage to the Ramallah lynchings!

That's my opinion...

Well, its MY opinion that the logical jump between paint on the hands and comemorating the lynching in Ramallah is based on nothing but photographical similarities, and that's a wide gap to jump.

But don't let that get in the way of you painting everybody with whom you disagree with the same brush.

My opinion is based on more than visual similarities between two photos and doesn't rely on emotive response to vilify somebody or their position.

You brush aside other likely possibilities and state as fact something that is connected simply by visual similarities.

[Link: www.islam-online.net...]
Are all of these greek anti-war protestors are comemmorating the Ramallah lynching also?

[Link: 216.239.41.104...]
Look here, more protesters with their hands painted red symbolic of the blame for causing bloodshed.

[Link: www.nowardunoon.com...]
And again!

What makes my interpretation of the photo more likely is that it fits what goes on at protests.

#132 RussSchultz 9/27/2003 11:40PM PST

You brush aside other likely possibilities and state as fact something that is connected simply by visual similarities.

I don't know if the lady has red hands to commerate the Ramalah lynchings, or if Greek "peace" activists painted their hands red to commemorate the lynchings.

But I've always thought western "peace" activists were unwitting supporters of terrorism. And the irony that they've painted their hands Ramalah Red is supremely and deliciously ironic to me, even in their ignorance.

The real irony is that Charles - the man who loves to find 'bias' in the news agencies' reports (including the contorted 'IDF force kids through security fence' suggestion), has no difficulty whatsoever in self-assuredly linking a german 'blood on their hands' protest with one specific instance of bloody hands in Palestine years beforehand.

from the same protest:

In Berlin, police said about 400 people turned up near the Reichstag parliament building.
       ''We shouldn't help the Americans with money for reconstruction when they bombed Iraq,'' said Carlotta Wendt, 14.
       Daniel Compart, a 19-year-old apprentice at a petrol station, painted his hands red to symbolise the blood he said was on U.S. hands over Iraq.
       ''It is important that ordinary people still say they are against the war even though it is over,'' he said.

[Link: famulus.msnbc.com...]

Good way to stay on topic Mr. Fist.

First, I'm not debating whether she's a leftist. It seems rather apparent that she is, as they seem to be the people who generally show up at protests and protest. How does her being a leftist lend credence to the fact that she is, as a fact, painting her hands as a means to pay homage to the Ramallah lyncher?

Next, you remand me on my spelling. Which is obvious that you don't have anything else to say because I only mispelled one word in the post.

If you can't figure out which words are mine, and which words are yours, you've got bigger problems than my inability to spell one word.

Neo_con:
I agree, I think the "peace" protestors have been unwittingly co-opted by terrorists and dictators. They are kneejerk against anything republican/conservative, so lately they're really doing some moral gymnastic doubletakes in supporting what Bush is against and it makes them look pretty damn silly.

But the fact that peace protestors are unwittingly supporting terrorists and dictators by being against what the administration does, doesn't lend credence to this lady was actively supporting the lynching in Ramallah.

I'm all for showing bias in the media, and the insanity within many portions of modern Islam, but making shit up and baseless accusations aren't the way to go about it.

Just like the "Leftists" won't sway any minds by chanting "Bush is a war criminal"; Charles won't sway any minds by painting every muslim as a blood thirsty savage. Especially when he's using rather transparent means of accomplishing that.

Interesting all right. It's a link that shouldn't have been made, and it's pretty out there to suggest that this woman, whom Charles also decided was a muslim, just from looking at her, is in fact commemorating those horrific acts at Ramallah.

Watch your ass doesn't get sued for defamation.

this is sickening, the loony liberals in europe cannot see the difference between a group of people making thier views known and islamo fascists.

The "peace" people in this instance pose agreat threat to western world because they actually provide a source of publicity for islamic fascists.

I find it ironic that this happened in germany, I have read mein kampf and the qu`ran, there is not much difference between them at all.

The biggest danger area for this kind of behaviour is london better known as londonabad here we have sheik bakri and hamsa(captain hook) who are for some insane reason allowed to preach thier message of death to the west ,,,IN PUBLIC and are not stopped. If a march was held celebrating the english culture it would be banned ,,AS RACIST

What's wrong with "War is Hell"? It should be at least. We should kick terrorist asses mercilessly.

This woman is probably Arab, possibly Palestinian (from the kaffiyeh, although that doesn't prove it), almost certainly Muslim (from the black hijab she's wearing), and politically active enough to take part in a pro-Palestinian demonstration that is explicitly timed to commemorate the intifada.

The Ramallah lynching photo was broadcast around the world, and it's an incident that Palestinians have celebrated and emulated before. Yet some of you want us to believe that she is completely unaware of this and that the congruence of her red hands and the Ramallah lynching photo is nothing more than a coincidence.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

I did like the comment about being "sued for defamation," though. That was comedy gold.

#141 Charles.

I did like the comment about being "sued for defamation," though. That was comedy gold.

Get Leonard Crabs on the case. He'll defend you.

Another photo of Palestinians emulating the lynching. Was this one a coincidence too?

#141 Charles

What she means is obvious. Which is why, of course, WFI and her ilk won't ever see it.

They’re all just coincidences Charles.

The hijab, the kaffiyeh, the bloody hand; coincidence.

All the ranting imams spewing the same hate-filled messages every Friday – coincidence.

All the Islamic nut jobs screaming “Allah Akbar” as they explode themselves and try to kill as many infidels as possible – all coincidences.

You're just sooo paranoid, seeing links where none exist.

As the saying goes, "when people tell you who they are, BELIEVE them."

How many times do they have to tell us before we wake up.

If a demonstration in a million city like Berlin only draws 300 persons - most of them probably Arabs and lefties - I wouldn't worry much about "Euroweenies" if I were an American.

C'mon guys, some of you really seem to work hard to alienate plenty of your supporters from my side of "the puddle".

The Ramalah lynching photos are infamous/notorious in the Non-Arab world, but very famous and celebrated in the Arab/muslim world. Witness the palestinian soldier emulating the lynching with his own bloody hands (see post #143). So it's not beyond the realm of possibility that the lady above, possibly palestinian, is doing the same.

Again, I can't read her mind, but the irony is powerful, regardless of her intentions. That western dupes would also bloody their hands is doubly ironic.

I'm surprised it was only 300, given the widespread anti-Americanism in Berlin. The most common graffiti in my Berlin neighborhood is "Kill Bush" or, alternatively, "Fuck Bush".

#148 JohannaV

You really don't see it?

This kind of "demonstration" is forbidden in Germany, Belgium or France. Those things are incitement to violence. When a group of neo-Nazi skinheads "demonstrate" with the same slogans and the same incitement to violence, they are stopped. When death cultists "demonstrate", it is seen as perfectly legitimate.

That's worrying.

Interesting to me that the same Picture ran in todays Tampa Tribune and the hands had been Phoyoshopped to remove the appearence of blood...
But we all know its just a coincidence .
The peacniks and the terror types are a scary bunch.
Ive been amazed from time to time how anti semetic the left can be.
Cheers
Neil V

To Pol nr 151

Where is the incitement to hatred? They are expressing an opinon, an opinion I don't share but I recognize their right to express it.

It is Charles that presume that this Muslim woman is commemorating the slaughter of the Israeli soldiers in Ramalla. I see no proof of this presumtion in the provided link.

Still, Mr Pol, it some of the fellows here don't realise that all this hatred expressed against Europeans due to the action of 300 fools, plenty of them not even European but Arab, actually alienate your future friends, then we, both Americans and Europeans, are in for great trouble in the future.

Really, man, three hundred people! The Anti-war demonstrations in American cities draw plenty more!

Good bye for now as I'm heading for dinner!

I am new to this site but what cracks me up as an American is the fact that liberals, aclu etc. are fighting a war against Christians in the US. Wait til those savages who profess a believ in Islam get over here in real numbers. Do you think they will allow a separation of church and state? Do you think any ACLU lawyer or his/her family will survive a lawsuit or trial with those lunatics?

JohannaV just doesn't get it. She appears to be one of those smug and self-righteous Europeans who doesn't seem to see anything wrong with spitting on the US... it is we Americans who are 'alienating our future friends' by refusing to take being spit on anymore.

The money quote:

Still, Mr Pol, it some of the fellows here don't realise that all this hatred expressed against Europeans due to the action of 300 fools, plenty of them not even European but Arab, actually alienate your future friends, then we, both Americans and Europeans, are in for great trouble in the future.

And what is this business about future friends, anyway? We were past friends, but the actions and rhetoric of the 'Old' Europeans have made us... umm... how shall I put it... redefine our tolerance of those people. Don't hold your breath, Johanna, hoping that I'll be your friend in the future. Ain't gonna happen.

Formerly Stormi wrote: "JohannaV just doesn't get it. She appears to be one of those smug and self-righteous Europeans who doesn't seem to see anything wrong with spitting on the US... it is we Americans who are 'alienating our future friends' by refusing to take being spit on anymore."

Really? Can you please bother to actually read my post before answering?

"Don't hold your breath, Johanna, hoping that I'll be your friend in the future. Ain't gonna happen."

I quite agree. I don't see any future possibility of our friendship, Formely Stormi. I select my friends and liars and hate mongers just don't qualify.

What neither the AP photographer nor anybody here has noticed is that the woman on the picture of the Berlin rally wears an Ordner armlet, i. e. she is one of the persons the police required the organizers to employ to keep order among the participants of the march. Nevertheless, if someone had asked policemen to take out that woman because of doing the Nazi salute he would probably have got the reply (if any) that it is done with the right hand, not with the left as she does.

We were about 100 protesters at a "Remember Ground Zero - Fight Fascism" counter-manifestation at the other bank of river Spree, where I delivered a speech against Fischerism. We were joking there whether we should ask the police to have a look under the jackets of some Arab youths with Arafat shawls lurking near us, but I hadn't expected that they'd play it that authentic like on that foto. Given the impression of the rally as whole, there can be no doubt to the Ramallah connection Charles brought up. When they saw our flags and our big banner "Behind the call for peace there hide the murderers" they started coordinated shouting "We all are Palestinians".

indymedia Germany carries more fotos from that Nazi rally, including some showing what was visible of our protests over the river. In fact, it's good news that they were only 300, not 300.000 like last Februar. Gerhard Schröder hadn't called, so only the diehard antiimperialists were on the street.

''In a counter-demonstration about 80 people waved Israeli and U.S. flags. "We support Israel and America because they are fighting Islamist and Baathist fascism," said Thomas Mueller.'' (CNN)

speech there: "Die Vereinten Nationen und der deutsche Weg - Anmerkungen zur Begegnung von Gerhard Schröder mit George W. Bush am 24.09.2003"