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Sat, Oct 4, 2003 at 7:28:49 pm PDT

Arab News covers the Haifa suicide bombing in a very revealing way. They describe the murder victims as “bystanders:” Female Bomber Strikes.

OCCUPIED JERUSALEM, 5 October 2003 — A Palestinian woman blew herself up in a crowded restaurant in Haifa yesterday, killing 19 bystanders. At least 55 people, including Maccabi Haifa coach Ronnie Levy and two other senior club officials, were wounded in the attack on the Maxim Restaurant, co-owned by Arabs and Jews.

The second sentence in the excerpt above tells you why they use such a bizarrely innocuous description—because Arabs are co-owners of the restaurant, and because Arabs were among the victims. You will never see the word “bystanders” when Jews are the only victims.

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1 d  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 5:33:11pm

hat tip?

Check out today's odious ArabNews cartoon.

2 Joshua  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 5:33:40pm

The Muslim world is waging war against various groups by proxy all over the mideast: Israel is their top target, followed closely by the US and close allies, and then enemy Muslims, and all this, excuse me, pussy ass indirect battle kills all kinds of innocents. The Arab media makes me sick, as does most of the Arab and Muslim world.

3 Spiny Norman  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 5:37:35pm

I find it bizarre that while Arab News is nice-nice propaganda intended strictly for Western consumption, they are still quite clumsy. I suppose it is out of the "tell a big enough lie often enough and people will believe it" school.

d, when is an Arab News cartoon NOT odious?

4 Fay  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 5:38:29pm

Arab News Hits Bottom, Digs

How right you are, I'm guessing your first clue was:

OCCUPIED JERUSALEM

Fuck the "Arab" News and the horse they rode in on.

5 addison  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 5:58:32pm

ABC's radio reporting of the bombing began "The Cycle of Violence continues in the Middle East..."

I cannot be certain of the rest of the report, as my blood pressure rose precipitously and flagrant cursing ensued.

6 Chris Allen  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 5:59:21pm

Well, if those "bystanders" had had the common sense not to stand so close to the woman when she blew herself up...

/sarcasm

7 fiery celt  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 5:59:52pm

I'm beginning to believe that there is nothing redeeming about these people...

8 d  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 6:01:12pm

God, I love ArabNews.

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From Letters to the Royal Editors:

Concentration Camps

The Israelis are building what amounts to two giant concentration camps and then calling them a Palestinian state. These camps will house the Palestinians behind the “walls” now being built with American money. This is the Zionist’s answer to the question of what to do with so many millions of Palestinians.

It is to be expected that an uprising will be provoked and, using it as justification, the Zionists will send their aircraft, tanks, bulldozers, helicopter gunships and napalm to slaughter Palestinians, all of them. It will be easy. As the massacres will take place behind the “walls” of the concentration camps, the world will not see them.

That’s where this thing is headed, if we don’t stop the Zionists and the building of the wall.

Ed Friedemann • Texas, published 5 October 2003

The other letters refer to, among other things, the National Cricket Team, beating school kids in class, and a recent royal directive which stated that pregnant women can only be admitted to hospitals if they're accompanied by a man prepared to take responsibility for both mother and child. The last topic is especially chilling.

9 Big Bob  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 6:05:07pm

I'm glad there is one less moslem slut to reproduce more meat for their stupid stupid "religion". Anyone that would believe that trash is basically a fool!!! think about it ,how truly dumb they are,the shit they believe defies the common sense that a three year old would have!!! theY make me want to puke,

YOU HAVE ALREADY LOST,FOOLS!!!

10 Rex-Pat  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 6:11:12pm
11 Evan  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 6:11:28pm

Peter Enav from AP also described those murdered as "bystanders." So the Arab News is not alone in this deceptive description. As you well know, this creates an equivalency between civilians unintentionally killed with those who are specifically targeted. So what as the target here? The hummus? (I happed to have had lunch at that restuarant when visiting in Israel two years ago.)

Enav also called the last few week as "relative calm" with no mention of the plots foiled by Israel security.

12 FH  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 6:15:01pm

There is no need to call this slodeydope a name like slut or whore people. First off, given Islams repression of Women, I would find it unlikely that she would be such a person. Just call her what she is/was: a murderer. Plain and simple.

13 Victor of the Apes  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 6:16:00pm
Arab News Hits Bottom, Digs


This is physically impossible as Arabnews is in a bottmless pit.

14 d  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 6:17:05pm

Here's a fairly decent article from Reuters. Must be the weekend staff.

Bombing Shakes Haifa's Spirit of Coexistence
HAIFA, Israel (Reuters) - Jews and Arabs had worked together and eaten together for decades at the popular Maxim restaurant on the beachfront in the Israeli port city of Haifa. On Saturday, they also died together.

As families sat down for lunch on the Jewish Sabbath, a Palestinian suicide bomber blew herself up inside the crowded restaurant, spewing body parts, blasting out glass windows on all sides and ripping down sections of ceiling.

The explosion killed 19 people, injured dozens more and shattered a longtime symbol of coexistence in a mixed city that has struggled to keep a lid on tensions during a three-year-old Palestinian uprising for independence in the West Bank and Gaza.

The attack, just before the Yom Kippur fast day, targeted a prosperous business co-owned by Christian Arab and Jewish families and frequented by Arabs and Jews for its Middle Eastern cuisine.

Even the emergency workers and ambulance crews who rushed to the scene were a mix of Jews and Arabs.

"This was a microcosm of Haifa, how we live and work in harmony despite our differences," Mayor Yona Yahav said as bodies were pulled from the shattered dining room. "Terrorists want to provoke us to hate each other but that won't happen."

The young Palestinian woman who carried out the bombing timed it for the height of lunch hour when the restaurant, which overlooks Haifa's scenic shoreline, was packed with beachgoers.

"Suddenly we heard a tremendous explosion. We saw smoke pour out of the restaurant," said a witness, Navon Hai. "Families were dead around the tables, there were children without limbs."

The stench of burned flesh mingled with the salty breeze off the Mediterranean. Wires and pipes were left dangling. Discarded shoes and bloody clothing littered the nearby parking lot.


[Link: asia.reuters.com...]

15 DRDON  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 6:20:07pm

LYING MURDERERS...ITS TIME FOR ISRAEL WIPE EM
OUT

16 Doctor Bean  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 6:36:32pm

Hello everyone. What a depressing day.

Somewhat off topic:

My parents returned two days ago (back to California) from 10 days in Israel. They went for a 70th birthday party of my dad’s aunt. They came back with depressing news. They said that most people they spoke to are anxious and pessimistic. Some of this, of course, might just be my parent’s spin, or the bias of the unrepresentative sample of Israelis that they met with. But if they are right, then Israel might not have the will to fight, and then all is lost. A dictatorship can be just fine with a demoralized populace, but a democracy cannot survive demoralization of its citizens.

What can bring back the fighting Zionist Israeli spirit of the 40s? Israeli LGFers: get your liberal friends to read this site. Make them see that they face an implacable enemy. Understand that the American people, Jews and non-Jews, want you to fight and win.

There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming. … War is preparing!

Gandalf the Grey

Hey, moishe! You out there?

17 off topic  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 6:42:17pm

odd story:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Pensacola Florida National Guard Sgt. Sean Blackwell, of Pace, Fla., right, stands next to his Iraqi bride, who did not want to be identified, on their wedding day, Aug. 17, 2003 in Baghdad, Iraq (news - web sites). Family members say Blackwell, 27, and another Florida guardsman, Cpl. Brett Dagen, 37, of Walnut Hill, are being investigated for allegedly violating an order against marrying Iraqi women.

18 Mike Nargizian  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 6:48:46pm

Updates on the radio said 102.7 FM New York reported FIRST that Israel sent in some rocket attacks in an apparent retaliation for the suicide bombing in which 19 by-standers were killed and 50 injured.,/b>

[What the hell is a bystander in a Sucide Bombing Attack? Anyone remember EVER when Palestinians were killed and were called bystanders? Was Mohmammed Al-dura reported as a Bystander?]

Then it says the PLO condemns the attack and has Saeb Ereket on for a little 5 second nice sounding clip about how they are against this attack and hope that Israel will not do anything to harm the new forming of the new cabinet/government and move on with the "Peace Process".

THAT WAS THE UPDATE IN AMERICA!!

GET THIS CNN STORY AS WELL HEADLINED ON ROAD RUNNER'S EXPLORER PAGE VIA CNN.
Israeli Copters Fire Rockets in Gaza City
Look at the Picture that is with the Headline! A woman on a Stretcher with a small caption indicating damage that the Israelis caused in GAZA???

19 Big Bob  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 6:54:15pm

To #16 I'll tell you what will help Israel!!! for ALL the lazy materialistic Jews in this pagan country to get off their Fat collective asses ,take their stufff and their families and get the hell over there. Cut the shit ,think what 5 or 6 million would do to the demographics in that moslem infested place. STOP THE BULLSHIT AND GO!!!

20 Connecticut Yankee  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 6:56:18pm

Death cults come in all shapes and sizes-- how about the rock band planning to include an on-stage suicide in an upcoming performance? Meaning that the Pali sickness has all kinds of mutations cropping up elsewhere.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

21 HULUGU  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 6:57:22pm

we should go on a camel hunt in mecca with tactical nukes and take out some collateral human bystanders/outrageous semicomical sarcasm or not

22 Doctor Bean  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 7:05:51pm

#19 Big Bob
Hmmm. It's something I thought of more than once, but you're off on a few points. First, I'm neither lazy nor materialistic. Second, I don't think the US is a pagan country. I think (thank God) that it's a Christian country. It's one of the most religious developed countries in the world.

As to moving my family to Israel, you're right -- that would be a big help to Israel. Frankly, I'm not willing to do that to my kids. I'm willing to support them both financially and morally; I'm willing to visit; I'm willing to work for an American gov't that is pro-Israel; I'm not willing to send my kids to school every day on an Israeli bus. I might feel guilty about that (and thanks to you, more so) but that won't change my behavior.

23 Big BOB  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 7:07:33pm

HEY #12 FH: excuuuse me for not being PC, I don't know what it's like where you live but here in colorado the fucking moslem SlUTS are dedicated to massive reproduction for allah .It's a known strategy for the take over of whatever country they go to!!! Europe shits a brick every time another one of these people is born.I can name ten or twenty more countries if need be.

24 Professor Moriarty  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 7:08:33pm

The comments of the Great Ones of the World show where their minds and hearts -- if any -- really are.

G. Bush: After a perfunctory word of disapproval centers on how this will slow down fulfillment of his VISION, of chopping up the Land of Israel to give the PLO its state.

T. Blair: warns that this "does not serve the interests of the Palestinian people".
Nonsense. The "interest of the Palestinian people" is killing
Jews -- and in this case making an example of Arabs who co-exist with Jews.
Jihad-terror serves that interest just fine and dandy.

What can be extrapolated from such reactions is that Bush-Blair and Co. really care most about advancing the Palestinian phoney cause.
They only tut-tut over these murders because the inhibit full-speed-ahead support for Arabs against Israel.

25 FH  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 7:14:08pm

I hate PC as much as everyone, but my point was thus:

There is no evidence to indicate she was a slut, so calling her so is merely being childish, insulting because you can't think of the vocabulary to call her what she was: a brain-washed vengeful dolt with murderous intentions.

26 Crill  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 7:14:56pm

#12 FH

There is no need to call this slodeydope a name like slut or whore people. First off, given Islams repression of Women, I would find it unlikely that she would be such a person. Just call her what she is/was: a murderer. Plain and simple.

Being a murderer is worse than being a slut, something that Islam just doesn't understand.

27 FH  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 7:16:41pm

You may be right about their breeding activies, but I would suspect that is more about affluence. Rich people tend to have less kids, illiterate people tend to have less kids, and non-religious people tend to have less kids. Since most Muslims are poor, illiterate and religious, they tend to have large families. This is the case across the world for almost every demographic group. But I do agree with you that their high birth rate is dangerous, they are breeding new soldiers at a rate faster than we can kill them.

28 BigBob  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 7:16:45pm

#22 doctor bean ,I understand Where your comming from ,thats the same attitude HERTZEL encountered(no comparison to me!), I personally believe Israel will be here long after America is gone!!!

29 Big  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 7:20:10pm

#27 FH ,I needed that good laugh! thanks

30 FH  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 7:24:32pm

Actually Bob, I am fairly certain that were America to go then Israel would quickly follow. Not saying it would go quietly, but without American money and military support, Israel would be crushed by the sheer number of Arabs, backed by European money. Who else will replace Israeli equipment that is destroyed in the fighting? Who else will loan money and back them up? Israel needs America, and this often threatens Israel in and of itself, as it has to restrict its actions because of American pressure.

31 JulianneTheWise  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 7:36:25pm

whoa...monseiur Bob needs to take a relaxo-pill, me thinks.


thoughtful analysis is one thing, hysteria, another.

32 foobar  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 7:57:51pm

Close, but no cigar, Babe!

They're "bystanders" because they're Christian.

And when they're not Christian, they're Bedouin, and when they're not Bedouin, they're Berbers... and the list goes on and on and on...

Why do you think they dress like the KKK? You think that's just a random coincidence? You don't know the half of it.

May a fire consume their intestines from inside.
May they eat broken glass.

33 Stand by  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 8:04:33pm

The day when Arafat's place in Ramallah finally goes up in smoke... Israel should quote that line: "Bystanders killed".

34 Claudia  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 8:10:27pm

FH 27

You may be right about their breeding activies, but I would suspect that is more about affluence

Actually, Muslims are continually boasting that they will win via the womb... I've heard it in Europe as well as in Israel.

C.

35 Ken  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 8:43:46pm

The geniuses who run Israel have the answer, Bomb an empty building in Gaza, and diverst the world's attention from Haifa.

This Arab News item is no worse than the BBC. [Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Headline " Israel retaliates for bomb deaths "

sub headline " Eyewitnesses : dead children "

Impliedly, in the Israeli attack, thouigh if you follow it through, it refers to the Haifa attack.

36 Mike  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 9:07:50pm

This AP article in the SF gate and other places says similarly. I yelled when I saw this headline topping Google News:

Palestinian suicide attack kills 19 bystanders in Haifa restaurant

A Palestinian woman wrapped in explosives blew herself up Saturday inside a seaside restaurant popular with both Arabs and Jews, killing 19 bystanders, including four children. The bombing prompted new calls for Israel to act on threats to expel Yasser Arafat.

37 Teacake  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 9:57:05pm

FOX news pulled a cute stunt this afternoon. WHile reporting the bombing the video clip they showed was inside some arab neighborhood where a cute little arab girl was running outside for no apparent visual reason, sobbing looking scared. Nothing in the area showed there was a reason for the girls reaction. No smoke, no fire, no IDF... just some random area outside. What this visual had to do with the story seemed obvious.

So now the latest is occupied Jerusalem? Cute. I have also heard on several occasions as well on radio talk shows that the people living in Israel are plain old zionists and have nothing to do with the ancient Jews. Sorry folks but this is more than frightening. Anyone who claims their group has replaced us is only helping to dig our graves.

38 Milty  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 11:33:14pm

Charles, I disagree with your take. 'Bystanders' has been used a lot by the press agencies. It implies moral equivalence to Israeli strikes against Arabs, of course: these people were not intentionally killed or anything.

39 lord vetinari  Sat, Oct 4, 2003 11:38:08pm

10:35 Terrorist training camp attacked by IDF Sat. in Syria is used by Hamas, Islamic Jihad
10:30 IDF on Saturday night attacks Ein Tzacheb terrorist training camp in Syria

40 Jan  Sun, Oct 5, 2003 12:03:19am

These attacks show that this is a conflict over land, Israel should have given palis the land they deserve. If they only had their land, they wouldn't be attacking jews.

So let's give them their land. 6 by 6 by 3 feet of it, on top of each and every one of the vermin.

41 Milty  Sun, Oct 5, 2003 1:48:40am

The idea of using the term 'bystanders' is that the bomb was not intended against these people. The woman was performing suicide as an act of protest, like those Buddhist monks who set themselves aflame occasionally. It was a private act of protest and it's the bystanders' fault for crowding in on the suicide bomber's space, you see.

It's sort of the way the US set off that bomb in Hiroshima and all those bystanders got hurt. Unfortunate. Everybody should have been more careful.

42 realist  Sun, Oct 5, 2003 1:54:37am

#26 Crill

Being a murderer is worse than being a slut, something that Islam just doesn't understand.

But in the islamic view, the killers are not “murderers.” They are avenging “heroes” and killing infidels is the source of their glory. The “religion” is whacked out and should be wiped out.

I desperately hang on to the hope of reform. See yesterday’s (ANOTHER NYT article tippy-toeing over to reality)
An Unlikely Promoter of an Islamic Reformation

43 realist  Sun, Oct 5, 2003 1:59:37am

#41 Milty

The woman was performing suicide as an act of protest, like those Buddhist monks who set themselves aflame occasionally. It was a private act of protest and it's the bystanders' fault for crowding in on the suicide bomber's space

I assume you are being facetious, but I KNOW people who would say exactly the same thing with a straight face (and twisted mind). However, the analysis would hold a little better if the “protester” had not shot a guard first to make sure she could get near the “bystanders.” Isn’t that what I read? She shot the guard? First time that’s happened.

44 realist  Sun, Oct 5, 2003 2:11:24am

#12 FH

given Islams repression of Women,

#25 FH

a brain-washed vengeful dolt with murderous intentions.

These comments speak to a whole theory that has developed in criminal defense called “the battered wife syndrome.” In short, women who are so oppressed and demoralized that they cease to respond in “human” ways and are willing, in automaton fashion, to kill their men, their children, themselves.

I so wish the western mental health community and the (lazy, selfish, insular, sollipsistic bunch of pains) western feminists would GET A GRIP on this issue and speak out!

45 Big Bob  Sun, Oct 5, 2003 2:34:16am

#31 Julieanne I admit To hysteria,nausia,anger,great sadness and the overwhelming urge to wrap my fingers around someones throat,
sorry but I'm really in touch with my feelings these days!

46 grendel  Sun, Oct 5, 2003 4:07:42am

Israel attacks camps in Syria...

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

47 Oengus Moonbones  Sun, Oct 5, 2003 5:20:08am

They're digging but China hasn't been reached yet.

You see, once the mullahs in Iran get their nukes, and Tel Aviv and Haifa and other Israeli towns are reduced to smoldering, radioactive rubble, with millions dead, including the many Arabs who lived in Israel, then Arab News will be ecstatically extolling the "annihilation of the Zionist Entity", with a small paragraph at the bottom regreting the unfortunate demise of some innocent "bystanders", with the added suggestion that since they had Israeli citizenship they maybe should be considered more like "collaborators" who got what they deserved as well.

48 Arnold Roth  Sun, Oct 5, 2003 5:26:35am
A Palestinian woman blew herself up in a crowded restaurant in Haifa yesterday, killing 19 bystanders.

My 15 year old daughter was murdered two years ago in the Sbarro restaurant massacre.

The word "bystander" was used again and again when journalists asked me to comment. I now know (having learned a lot about the man who exploded himself from the trial transcript of two Hamas barbarians who were arrested, put on trial, and are now in Israeli jails) that the plan was to identify the busiest location in Jerusalem. The goal was to kill and maim as many people as possible.

Something for LGFers to keep in mind. The dead and injured weren't bystanders in any sense of the word. Just like the people eating in Maxim yesterday, they were the target.

There are a thousand subtle ways, both conscious and unintended, that idiot journalists change the plain sense of a horrific event like yesterday's massacre. Thinking people need to be ready to scream down the phone to the editors and the talkback hosts and explain to them how wrong they are.

The bystanders to the massacre at Maxim, at Sbarro and at the Hebrew University and at every other site like them... are you and me.

49 Geepers  Sun, Oct 5, 2003 5:30:19am

realist (#44),

I so wish the western mental health community and the (lazy, selfish, insular, sollipsistic bunch of pains) western feminists would GET A GRIP on this issue and speak out!

Get real. It's far more important to be fighting real injustice. Like women not being allowed to join the Augusta National Golf Club. Now that's true oppression.

Stand up against beatings, stonings and honor killings? Nah.

50 Mr Pol  Sun, Oct 5, 2003 5:49:56am

#48 Arnold Roth

Those are empty words, I know... but I feel your pain and will pray for your daughter.

51 quark2  Sun, Oct 5, 2003 6:02:16am

@48 Arnold Roth
My sympathies sir. I know that's not much for your terrible loss.
But you're so right, it's not just a war of bullets and explosions, it's a war of words as well. And the enemy has many faces that attack from many levels and directions. That leaves 'the remnant' to fight the unending battle of truth and of freedom.
Keep the faith, and so will we.

52 Milty  Sun, Oct 5, 2003 6:32:27am

#48,

Malki was wonderful. The website you made for her is very moving.

I'm very sorry about your loss, Mr. Roth. Be strong as she would have wanted you to be.

Good luck with Keren Malki - http://www.kerenmalki.org

53 geezer  Sun, Oct 5, 2003 12:11:53pm

the DROLL TROLL wonders what does a female bomber

get when she arrives in paradise and is she allowed to

mingle with male cowards

54 Teacake  Sun, Oct 5, 2003 1:11:57pm

So so sorry to hear about your tragic loss Arnold Roth.


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