Anyone know a whitehat?

I have some experience in this. The best thing to do with the Host does not cancel these sites is to find high profile sites that use the host and inform each them (cc to Host) that they're supporting such a company and they may be sharing the same very hard drive of Islamic Jihad.

I would cancel my service ASAP if that were the case. Now, how do we find who hosts with them?

Canada - American for Syria.

DNS service for all these sites is provided by clickhost.net, aka echoarts.com: 356 Ontario Street, Ste 311, Stratford

JFYI, that's a Mailboxes Etc. The actual address is 386 Cambria, Stratford, N5A 1J4.

ok charles if i hit the lotto i gotta give you a vacation i cant seen to keep up with the new main stories

but otoh keep up the good work

but otoh again a very good outspoken ex NORML local president who l;ikes quoting LLL's is starting to see the light after i show him links sights and postings mostly that i found here is starting to come around. i love the way that he is Tet Vet and kinda clings to alot of anti war propoganda but cant answer stuff when i post some of the links i found here

hey check out nytimes.com ME forum its moderated for a reason but could use a few people that can debate in civilised manner i use jimmyk419 there for nick just follow the mods rules there she is tough but fair

oh and i found this place through that forum

Buy this please:
[Link: www.thelearninglink.org...]

Oh that's just bloody great...in my backdoor no less!!!
The Islamic disease is far and wide folks...

Devon Hill

Angry Albertan

People...for Goodness sakes...make sure we are emailing these hosts and letting them know the mistake they are making...Islamic terror must be stamped out!!!

Devon

crill was that a crack on my bad dyslexic grammer punctuation

I tried to access the site and this is what I got:

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /haganah/archives/001123.php on this server.

Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

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Apache/1.3.28 Server at [Link: www.haganah.us...] Port 80

And once again Canada givest the Alfred E Neuman response:

"What?! Me worry?"

Off topic: Ever wonder how our tax payer funded schools are attending to the critical need for left-wing demonstration attendance?
[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Thanx for the information!

I live in New England. One of the great things about living here is we're not that far from Canada. It's been great taking vacations there. I've enjoyed the open borders we have shared, where only a driver's license was needed to cross the border. I have relatives there that we have visited from time to time.

Unfortunately what I keep reading about Canada is how easy it is for terrorist cells to exist there. Many of us in the US, especially those within driving distance, are very concerned about our open borders. It would be very easy for terrorists to come to the US via Canada.

The US must revise its open door policy with Canada. I hate to see this happen but we have to do what we can to deal with the reality of the situation.

I'm also concerned for our Canadian cousins. I would hate to have Canada have its own version of 9/11.

Nooo...get outa town...

Hey you all, for info@echoarts.com, here ya go

[Your Street Address]
[City, ST ZIP Code]
October 6, 2003

EchoArts.com
356 Ontario Street, Suite 311
Stratford, ON, Canada, N5A 7X6

To Whom It May Concern:

This letter is to complain about three ClickHost.net DNS accounts registered by Haissam Abou-Ghezlan of Beirut, Lebanon. Each of them not only violates ClickHost terms of service, but are also in violation of Canada’s extensive anti-terrorism and anti-hate laws.

According to WHOIS, the Domain Name Service for [Link: www.sarayaalquds.com...] (216.234.186.140), [Link: www.shikaki.com...] (216.234.186.140), and [Link: www.rabdullah.com...] (216.234.186.140) is provided by ClickHost.net, an EchoArts company.

The first of these accounts is the official site of Sayaya Al-Quds, the Islamic Jihad’s armed terrorist faction. The second is a site for the founder of Islamic Jihad. The third is the site of the current leader of Islamic Jihad, Dr. Ramadan Abdullah.

This weekend, during the single most important time in Jewish religion, Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for killing at least 19 civilians including several young children – all eating lunch. Over 50 remain wounded. An entire family was also wiped out, the father, mother, their 4 year old child, and their 1 year old child. They were not the only entire family to be targeted. Another family included a 70 year old couple, their son, and his 9 year old son. That 9 year old's sister and mother watched from outside. They remain critically injured. Among the dead are also 4 Israeli-Arabs. Haifa, Israel is one of the most ethnically diverse and liberal cities in the region. The restaurant was co-owned and used by Arabs and Jews. (CBC NEWS: [Link: www.cbc.ca...]

The Canadian government lists Islamic Jihad as a terrorist group ([Link: www.sgc.gc.ca...] under section 83.05 of the criminal code ([Link: www.canlii.org...]

Needless to say, the DNS customer is also in violation of ClickHost.net’s Hosting Agreement for violating clear rules against Hate Sites and Illegal Content.

Thanks to your terms of service and Canada’s comprehensive laws I find it unnecessary to inform your other clients about their sharing resources with hate groups and terrorists as I’m confident that this information is enough to resolve the matter.

Sincerely,

[YOUR NAME]

and for abuse@tera-byte.com

[Your Street Address]
[City, ST ZIP Code]
October 6, 2003

Tera-byte Dot Com Inc.
Suite 900, CN Tower, 10004-104 Ave
Edmonton, Alberta T5J0K1 Canada

To Whom It May Concern:

This letter is to complain about three sites registered by Haissam Abou-Ghezlan of Beirut, Lebanon which are physically hosted on Tera-byte servers. Each of them not only violates the Tera-byte terms of service, but are also in violation of Canada’s extensive anti-terrorism and anti-hate laws.

According to WHOIS, the Domain Name Service for [Link: www.sarayaalquds.com...] (216.234.186.140), [Link: www.shikaki.com...] (216.234.186.140), and [Link: www.rabdullah.com...] (216.234.186.140) is provided by ClickHost.net, an EchoArts company and hosted by Tera-Byte Dot Com Inc.

The first of these accounts is the official site of Sayaya Al-Quds, the Islamic Jihad’s armed terrorist faction. The second is a site for the founder of Islamic Jihad. The third is the site of the current leader of Islamic Jihad, Dr. Ramadan Abdullah.

This weekend, during the single most important time in Jewish religion, Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for killing at least 19 civilians including several young children – all eating lunch. Over 50 remain wounded. An entire family was also wiped out, the father, mother, their 4 year old child, and their 1 year old child. They were not the only entire family to be targeted. Another family included a 70 year old couple, their son, and his 9 year old son. That 9 year old's sister and mother watched from outside. They remain critically injured. Among the dead are also 4 Israeli-Arabs. Haifa, Israel is one of the most ethnically diverse and liberal cities in the region. The restaurant was co-owned and used by Arabs and Jews. (CBC NEWS: [Link: www.cbc.ca...]

The Canadian government lists Islamic Jihad as a terrorist group ([Link: www.sgc.gc.ca...] under section 83.05 of the criminal code ([Link: www.canlii.org...]

Needless to say, the Tera-byte customer is also in violation of Acceptable Use Policy (AUP) for violating clear rules against Hate literature and Illegal Content.

Thanks to your AUP and Canada’s comprehensive laws I find it unnecessary to inform your other clients about their sharing resources with hate groups and terrorists as I’m confident that this information is enough to resolve the matter.

Sincerely,

[YOUR NAME]

cc: Thanks for the template. I'm dropping a letter in the mail today.

Also, do everything you can to get this information tipped to the Canadian press.

National Post, queries@nationalpost.com
Toronto Star, city@thestar.ca
Globe and Mail, Newsroom@GlobeAndMail.ca

#18, #19 - cc
Thanks for composing those letters.
I wrote the RCMP - [Link: www.rcmp.ca...]
because I think they are the ones who should look into this, and they may find more than just web hosting connections over there.

If I recall well, Tom Ridge, the Secretary of Homeland Security was in Canada last week, discussing border security with Minister John Manley of Canada.

I would never suggest someone do something illegal, but if SOME hacker-minded computer expert was able to shut these sites down, wouldn't that be sweet.

#16 Chris J

A Canadian 9/11 would be terrible, but probably a long term blessing. Canada is so incredibly lax on granting politcal asylum combined with an even more dangerous assumption that Islamists aren't taking advantage of their "no documents" checks.

Canada is presently a hole in the security ozone layer. Once you are in Canada and settle you can freely travel just about anywhere in the world including Libya, Cuba and everywhere else the United States still treats as threats to freedom.

Just nice page and a lot of visitors to discuss with! Great

Oh man. I badly want to sleep today. Can do nothing with it!

#22 Joshua

No. Spiking the sites would be a counter-productive. If one is going to hack these sites the best method is to use them to locate the source. Hack the sites and then connect the dots. Taking the sites offline is something best left for the hosts, the webmaster and the Canadian authorities.

This from the CSIS (Canadian Security Intelligence Service):

CSIS has a mandate to collect information in Canada and abroad, and to advise government about activities that may constitute a threat to the security of Canada. This includes anyone who advocates the use of violence to further political, religious or ideological objectives.

With the possible exception of the United States, there are more international terrorist organizations active in Canada than anywhere in the world. This situation can be attributed to Canada’s proximity to the United States which currently is the principal target of terrorist groups operating internationally; and to the fact that Canada, a country built upon immigration, represents a microcosm of the world. It is therefore not surprising that the world’s extremist elements are represented here, along with peace-loving citizens. Terrorist groups are present here whose origins lie in regional, ethnic and nationalist conflicts, including the Israeli-Palestinian one, as well as those in Egypt, Algeria, Sudan, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Northern Ireland, the Punjab, Sri Lanka, Turkey and the former Yugoslavia.

Read the whole document at: [Link: www.csis-scrs.gc.ca...]

#14 Eric Pobirs

That LA Times story is disturbing. Roger Lowenstein, one of the Charter school founders, is a radical leftist from Jersey. He was able to obtain parole for Tommie Trantino, a convicted cop killer.

NRO editor John Derbyshire tells the story

The Progressive community has pledged allegiance to revolution.

Another way to deal with hosting services that don't terminate terrorist web sites they host: put out a press release over one of the news wire services. It is amazing how many news organizations can be reached this way... Typically costs about $250.

Or, a cheaper way would be to send a well written press release to select news organizations in cities where the host service is based or has offices. This could easily result in an article or TV/radio news report on the hosting service.

This is one topic about which we could exploit the media's instinctive hatred of business.

As per usual, the right of the individual is the end all and be all in Canada. We would hate to offend anyone, except of course our neighbours to the south and our allies in the global arena.

Frankly I am not surprised that this type of behaviour is taking place in Canada, we are a haven for the world's "undesirables". If you want to operate a covert illegal group, come to Canada!

Andrew

Sample press release:

EchoArts Company Hosts Terrorist Groups' Websites

Firm Hosts Islamic Jihad, Group that Killed 19 Restaurant Patrons in Israel

[City. state] October 6, 2003 - Internet Haganah announced today that Canadian web hosting service provider Tera-Byte.com of Edmonton, Alberta provides physical facilities for the notorious Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorist group--responsible for the murder of scores of Israeli citizens including children.

Internet Haganah monitors web sites operated by terrorist groups and individuals associated with those groups, many of which are hosted in Canada or the US in clear violation of federal and other laws.

Etc., etc.

#23 axiom

"Once you are in Canada and settle you can freely travel just about anywhere in the world including Libya, Cuba and everywhere else the United States still treats as threats to freedom."

Nonsense. Since when is poor Cuba a threat to the US? As far as Libya is concerned, travel to there from Canada is restricted. Finally, refresh my memory if you will, how many of the September 11th terrorists came through Canada?

Obviously, # 32, Flanstein, you have short term historical memory. Uncle Fidel is still a commited communist, and communists will work with anybody to attack capitalism and the US (gee, I wonder who they just might want to work with?).

I'm not saying Canada is an enemy, but they are certainly not on the same page as they used to be in relations with the US. Remember NORAD? Two countries working together to the same end, safety. I grant you the US has it's own internal multi-culti, PC war to wage. Let's face it, muslims flying as passengers with cash tickets, or purchasing tickets with no visibile means of support, having passports stamped with visas from certain countries, or just for being Muslim deserve, no better yet, have EARNED the right to be profiled. Canada, the government and the citizenry, must both wake up to the danger radical fundamental Islam brings to democratic societies. To do otherwise is to beg the issue, and run away from it. The fact that the US and Canada are friends but have mutual enemies who love to abuse our friendship is the crime, and those who commit this type of crime must be fought vigorously from both sides of our border, the longest unprotected border in the world.

“Obviously, # 32, Flanstein, you have short term historical memory. Uncle Fidel is still a commited communist, and communists will work with anybody to attack capitalism and the US (gee, I wonder who they just might want to work with?).”

The American strategy (which I agree with) is to engage “some” Communists countries through trade and commerce. That’s what you do with China, which unlike Cuba actually presents a real military threat. Cuba on the other hand has no nuclear weapons and a small, poorly equipped military. So trade with China who is a threat and boycott Cuba who is not. This is logical to you?

Look, I believe that Islam and its adherents are the greatest threat to civilization in our lifetime – that’s why I participate in this forum. This is something that many conservatives and liberals can agree on. Fifth columnist muslims in both countries who support the death of our society and seek to raise the black flag of their perverted religion over our public buildings are the enemy. As long as we can keep our focus on them, then this forum will continue to be of value. If it degenerates into just another mini- FreeRepublic then why bother...

US - Canada border is crossed by 200 Million people each year ( source: ABC News - [Link: abcnews.go.com...]
Wow.

#16 Chris
My son flew to Winnipeg this past summer to visit friends. For ID he had a valid drivers liscense and his military ID. Custom offical who first saw him really bawled him out for coming to Canada without a passport or birth certificate. He was sent to someone more senior, on accessing their data base found his info...including his provisional Canadian citizenship and residency records. The senior official scoffed at the initial customs official scrutiny.
So some officials are serious, some not. So it is not helpful.

Oh what a way to start a new Monday.
I'm downloading the templates for the letters and mailing them off today.

Everyday I find myself waiting for the 'other' shoe to drop on us. I'm afraid we've already let too much develop, what ever actions we take now are going to end up being bloody before it's over with. These creeps are already into hiding as there are more and more cells being uncovered in the U.S.
We all know how stupidly dangerous these insanies react when cornered like the rats they are, they'll do something horrific either here or in Canada before too much longer.

Addendum:

By the way what ever happened to 'handsome eddie' from NYC that was engaged to a muslim gal?
And can someone tell which thread it was that the 'diversity bumpersticker' was posted?

Re #23

Once again Axiom is calling for the deaths of 3000 Canadians, and he wonders why more Canadians don't think like he does.

Axiom, why don't you do something usefull like cc did in posts #18&19 or better yet why don't you just f_ck off and die. I'm tired of you and Devon Hill wishing for the deaths of my family and friends.

Re#34

Flanstein, there you go trying to inject fact into the conversation again. Don't you know that's against the rules on Canada bashing threads.

Aaron at haganah.us has done a tremendous job of cataloging pro-terror websites. It would be wrong to single out Canada as the only guilty party. From a quick review of Aaron's work I noted the following:

Canada seems to be the country of choice for hosting pro al Qaida websites, such as
jihadunspun
islammemo
Supreme Council of the Global Jihad

For some reason, California is the location of choice for hosting pro Al-Aqsa Martyr Brigades websites. I counted 6 sites hosted by DreamHost, 5610 S Soto St. , Huntington Park CA 90255

Russia is the choice for hosting pro-Hamas websites, although one pro-Hamas site is hosted in Texas (ThePlanet.com Internet Services, Inc. , Dallas TX 75207 US)

The US (Washington, Baltimore and NJ) is home to the hosts of 4 pro-Hizbollah websites.

I must mention that there were also several websites hosted in the UK.

Canada is not the only country to host this evil.

The sites have been removed.

Sadly I have to agree with my fellow Canadian that said a 9-11 type attack here could be a real blessing in the long run...For one thing, it would awaken the Canadian masses that this war on terror is a War that involves all of us...Worldwide Islam wants to destroy us all...They choose America first because America is the most powerful Freedom loving nation on earth...if America goes, we all go...Once Islamic terrorists start bombing places in England and France and Canada, then perhaps we in the Western World will all awaken to the 1400 year menace known as Islam!!

However, regarding lax immigration and borders, America and Canada both have room for great improvement...terrorists cells are just about as easy to establish in America as they are here and we are hamstrung on both sides of the border because of damned political correctness and multiCULTurism!!

I agree with Ann Coulter...I think it will take at least and mayby more then one more 9-11 to totally awaken us in the West...mayby then we will remember what Islam is all about and its dirty damned founder, Muhammed!!

Devon Hill

Proud Albertan
Proud Neighbor to America

Devon,

While I agree with your sentiments regarding the scourge that is islam, what kind of mouth-breathing moron would want thousands of their fellow Canadians to be killed simply to make a point?

Perhaps a moron who hates his own country and is constantly asking to be invaded?

Flanstien, I do not want any of my fellow citizens killed in the least!! That is indeed abhorrent...but what I am saying if it does happen, it can be considered in the long term a blessing in disguise as to awaken us from our Slumber in the Western World...the alternative mayby to slowly let Islam continually grow here with the goal in mind of using our Freedoms to destroy us and that is exactly what they have in mind...

I wish there was an easier way to awaken the Western world...ever after 9-11 in America, many Americans are still blinded by Multiculturism and Moral relativism...

Perhaps with our continued access to freedom of press via the internet we can affect a mass awakening of our peoples...Jews, Christians, Seuclarists, Secular Muslims, to the dangers of Islam without having another 9-11...that of course would be preferred over any more terrorisst attacks...

But lets face it Flanstien...you and I both know it is only a matter of time before Islam starts blowing up buses in the West...or far far worse...this battle is going to get much uglier before it gets better...

We forget our History with Islam at our own great peril and I am glad too see you also share my concerns in this area!

Thanks

Devon

Devon,

Multiculturalism is not the problem. Islam is the problem. Every year Canada receives thousands of immigrants from all over the world who are happy to come here to start a new life. We need the vast majority of them for the skills that they have and most come here to work, learn and become Canadians. The ones who don't - more often than not - are muslims.

I believe Canada HAS woken up to the threat and many changes have already been made. The border is more secure and it is much harder for miscreants to get into the country. Let's remind ourselves that NOT ONE of the 19 terrorists on Setpember 11th came through Canada. And please, stop the "please invade our country cause my government isn't as socially conservative as I am" screed. It's tiresome and whiny...

Good Grief!

Just saw this aricle about Tera-byte. Sent them a note asking they stop hosting terrorist sites or I will vote with my feet and pull my business from them.

#45 Steven

Bravo! Canadians are our ally, despite that stoner Prime Minister ;-)

You guys are doing some good work in Afghanistan with the rest of NATO.