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California Discovered by Muslims

Mon, Oct 6, 2003 at 6:11:51 pm PDT

Jibril Hough, president of the Charlotte North Carolina chapter of the Islamic Political Party of America (another Islamic group that seems to have sprung fully formed from the forehead of Mohammed—or could it be Saudi Arabia?) writes an editorial for the Charlotte Observer that marks the first mainstream media appearance of a bizarre Islamic canard I’ve previously found only on the most extreme fringe Islamic web sites: New party, old religion. (Hat tip: steve miller.)

It is important for the American public to know that although this political movement by Muslims may be somewhat new, Muslims have been a part of the fabric of this society, in some fashion, since before Columbus. Muslim explorers visited the West Coast long ago. Arabic writings have been found in some caves in California. The name "California" comes from the Arabic word calif, meaning ruler or leader.

The rest of this editorial is a depressingly familiar litany of victocrat whining.

Here’s the web site of the Islamic Political Party of America, complete with offensive Flash animation and a musical soundtrack best described as “Mohammed Bless America,” if you’d like to experience for yourself their noxious combination of Muslim supremacism and overbearing victimhood.

UPDATE: Here’s a page where you can tell the Charlotte Observer what you think of this outrageous editorial: Feedback. Be polite, but firm. When Islamic groups start pushing garbage like this in the mainstream media, it’s the thin end of the wedge. It has to be challenged, or it will be accepted.

UPDATE: The “press release” page at the IPPA site contains the following antisemitic insanity:

But the biased western media would not cover this story, yet they also neglected to report that 4000 Jews employed at the World Trade Center were absent at WTC on 9/11. Nor did they report on the thousands who saw WTC Building Seven fall without a plane hitting it.

Everyday as more and more independent investigations are done, the evidence is proving that the September 11th may have been some great orchestration that caught our great nation totally unaware.  And we the Muslims are left to believe the words of our president, which he later tried to change, that this is a “crusade, and you are either with them or with us.” 

Both Islam and Christianity are the victims of this devious plot and all Americans must join together to help prevent evil ones from succeeding.

And I think we know which “evil ones” would be capable of such a “great orchestration,” don’t we? (Hint: it’s spelled J-E-W-S.)

Nice going, Charlotte Observer—giving an editorial voice to a vile hate group like this. The Arab world’s madness comes to North Carolina, courtesy of the Charlotte Observer.

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1 evariste  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:13:04pm

lmao! They can have it.

2 Bombarafat  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:15:45pm

Here we go again islamofascists re writing history to suit their needs. Just like the temple mount has always harbored a mosqe since ancient times.

3 scaramouche  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:16:18pm

Kaliphornia here I come...

4 locutus  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:16:59pm

Good luck trying to deal with the LA street gangs, Omar. You think you're the only ones that know how to terrorize people?

5 reaganite  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:17:04pm

Think about it, it makes sense...

/Delirium tremors

6 J.D.  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:17:06pm

Nah. I think I'll pass. I accidentally saw CNN today, so I've already had my daily dose of fantasy.

7 Sean  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:17:17pm

Ditto, evariste!

8 scaramouche  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:17:58pm

And don't forget the one about the blood of little camel boys in Jewish baked goods.

9 squib  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:18:50pm

OT n all, but Everyone's Internet, home of jihadis the world over, has a scary spam coming out of it. Email purportedly from the FBI asking for your debit card info...

[Link: utterlyboring.com...]

10 Sean  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:18:59pm

I wonder if they have a take on Cosmology/Astronomy?

11 fiery celt  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:19:10pm

So the Muslims discovered America now...

You mean like....Abraham was a Muslim?

/Islamic Valley Girl off

12 evariste  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:20:13pm

That just moved to the top of my "Why I hate Flash" list. That was soooo gay. I love how everyone was the ugliest pics of muslims possible.
AG in Houston, you were wondering if I could point you to more stuff like AYBABTU? Well...click the link, it's not as funny, nor in the same way. It's kind of pathetic really.
Omigosh, the site itself is so ugly. Too many moving things...I guess they never figured that someone drunk would chance upon it...

13 evariste  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:22:05pm

Whoah, big bucs td...Sean, I'm taking that back, Charles and mommydoc among others live there.

14 evariste  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:28:13pm

Muslims lying shocker!

California. The name was applied first to what is now called Baja California, around 1562, and later extended to Alta California, the present state of California. The term originally referred to a mythical land of Amazons, ruled by the beautiful black queen Calafia, as described in a Spanish novel, Las sergas de Esplandián (The Exploits of Esplandian), by Garci Ordóñez de Montalvo.

From California Place Names: The Origin and Etymology of Current Geographical Names.

15 Model4  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:30:33pm

#4 locutus: Amen. Homeboy's going to be in for a rude awakening if he thinks the Mechistas and La Razans are just going to back off when a Hamdi-come-lately special interest group tries to swoop in on a prize they've been stalking for ages. And the men from Atzlantis aren't cowed by any PC restraints whatsoever. This could get really good.

16 Queasy  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:30:52pm

#13
and VDH and Thomas Sowell and Milton Friedman, I think, and all those Hoover Institute types.

17 Happy4LA  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:32:11pm

Stop the Settlements in California!

18 Robert Crawford  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:32:50pm
Arabic writings have been found in some caves in California.

I call complete bullshit on this. I'd have heard about this in some of my reading on prehistoric America, and I've never seen any reference to any Arabic writings. This sounds like someone who actually believes Barry Fell and his nonsense.

And, honestly, if you believe that crap, then you'd believe there was a Roman settlement outside of Tucson.

The name "California" comes from the Arabic word calif, meaning ruler or leader.

Bullshit. The name was taken from a Spanish romance popular in the 1500s. There is no chance the name has anything but the slimmest linguistic connection to Arabic -- since the Reconquista was finished less than 50 years earlier in 1492. Muslims and their language were not exactly popular with the Spanish at the time...

[Link: freespace.virgin.net...]

But, hey, what's the truth matter when Muslims want to establish their claim to land?

(And, of course, even assuming the mythical Chinese voyage happened, at least two -- probably at least three -- other groups got here first.)

19 john clark  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:34:17pm

I always understood the name to come from the two Spanish words "cali" and "fornax" meaning "hot furnace". Of course Alan Aldabar (PBTH) would know better. I wonder if I can get my Jesuit (USF) tuition
(a pretty pence, indeed) refunded for my degree in US History w/emphasis on California History. Please tell me the Jebbies didn't lie!

20 AG in Houston  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:34:30pm

AYBABTU is the single greatest flash I have ever seen.

I would like to see the routes taken by Arab Muslim exploders, errr...... explorers.

Where are these caves? What paintings do they show? Stickmen with suicide belts?

Where in the &$% does this guy get his information?

Allow me answer that 'rhetorical question.'

From the same source that notes how the Jooos poison water wells; use black magic to create the bubonic plague; fire depleted uranium bullets; cause the rise of communism; cause the rise of capitalism; cause the fall of communism; are causing the fall of capitalism; instigated WWI aaaaaand WWII becaquse WWI didn't work out as planned; etc., etc.

21 JamesW  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:34:42pm

evariste, thanks for saving me thr trouble. Of course paridoixically the Islamofantasits may, for once, be approximting the truth. After all, Spain had a breat deal of Moorish influence and perhaps a loan words was used by the author. If that were true then indirectly- VERY INDIRECTLY- California does come from the Arabic root word.

22 Marianne  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:35:00pm

"Calif" or "Caliph" on the other hand, meaning the secular and religious head of a Moslem state, derives from the Arabic khalifa, "successor," from khalafa, "to succeed." The American Heritage Dictionary of the English language.

23 scaramouche  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:37:21pm

#20 AG in Houston

Where are these caves? What paintings do they show? Stickmen with suicide belts?

LMAO!

Back then, there were no suicide belts, just suicide rocks.

24 moonflower  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:38:06pm

Please, go to this site and bear the flash intro and read the Fatwa link.


These guys want to use the freedom of religion guaranteed in the first amendment to infiltrate this country politically and socially.

I am a born and bred Republlican, but I flirted with being a Democrat in college. I know how easy it is to get unthinking, uneducated young people on board. This site is an instruction for indoctrination using our own hard won freedoms against us.

I always thought it would be the commies vs. the americans, but I really feel that it is going to be the Islamofascists against the Americans, and God help us - we do not know our enemy. I do, a little having spent a fair amount of time in Egypt.

Be afraid - be very afraid.

But don't be ignorant. Read their own words.

25 Charles  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:38:18pm

NOTE: please see the update above, for a link to the Charlotte Observer's contact form. They need to issue a correction for this outrageous bullshit, pronto.

This is no joke.

It's easy and fun to mock and make fun of this article, but the agenda of the group that's pushing this crap is deadly serious. This is a depressing reminder of how journalistic standards have utterly vanished in this country. Tell the Observer what you think about it, and hold them accountable. I have.

26 evariste  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:40:29pm

Holy shit...interception and another bucs td...Colts lookin' bad. Dungy is smiling wryly. Wow.Anyway, AG in Houston, have you ever seen Ja Da? It's really weird...Margaret Thatcher's head on a kitten's body singing while a rabbit destroys London? Check it out. Zombo is pretty funny too.

27 AG in Houston  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:41:00pm

That flash was offensive.

'One Ummah under G-D?'

Fuck you!

28 DustPuppy  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:41:02pm

They also invented the Internet ........

(oy!)

29 littleoldlady  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:41:02pm

Lie, lies, damned lies!

Everyone knows us Hungarians discovered California. In fact, the word "California" comes from the Hungarian word "California" which coincidently happens to be the first ingredient in every Hungarian recipe. (Translation of "California" = "Steal a chicken")

Yeah, that's the ticket...

30 Ed Moran: Oh, That Edward  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:41:28pm

Posted on another thread, but in other news the Arab attack that started the 1973 Yom Kippur War was simply an attempt to liberate the occupied territories according to CNN


Much of Israel closed down Monday to observe Yom Kippur -- the holiest day on the Jewish calendar -- and to recall the 30th anniversary of the Yom Kippur War. In 1973, Syria and Egypt, backed by other Arab countries -- attacked Israel in an effort to force it to return territories it captured in the 1967 Six Day War.

31 agitate  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:43:54pm
#25 Charles 10/6/2003 06:38PM PST

NOTE: please see the update above, for a link to the Charlotte Observer's contact form. They need to issue a correction for this outrageous bullshit, pronto.

It's easy and fun to mock and make fun of this article, but the agenda of the group that's pushing this crap is deadly serious. This is a depressing reminder of how journalistic standards have utterly vanished in this country. Tell the Observer what you think about it, and hold them accountable. I have.


Thank You Charles!
You're absolutely right, I hope everyone follows suit--this is important.

32 evariste  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:45:29pm

I just filled out their feedback form; I used both the "Errors" and "Letters to the Editor" categories.

33 scaramouche  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:46:28pm

#30 Ed: Edward

Yeah, everyone knows it was a was of liberation. Like all the Arab-Israeli wars, the Arabs wanted to liberate Israel from the Jews

34 Morgan  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:47:30pm

Unfortunately, this kind of identity politics/invented history crap is regularly spewed in American Universities. Black studies departments often have courses and lectures on African explorers of the Western Hemisphere.

[Link: www.technews.vt.edu...]

35 Ed Moran: Oh, That Edward  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:47:35pm

I think I read somewhere something like 20-something % of Spanish words have Arabic origins. Any Spanish word that starts with "al" is of Arabic origin, and the popular Spanish root used for bodies of water, "Guadal", comes from the Arabic Wadi-al ( the creek or wadi). Por ejemplo, Guadalajara comes from the Arabic meaning rocky creek.


I just googled this up:

Alpandeiro is one of the many place names, especially in southern Spain, which derive from Arabic words - hardly surprising, as Andalucía (Al-Andalus, as it was known) was occupied from 711 - 1492 by Muslims - the time of the Moorish civilisation. Other place names from this time are Alhambra (the red), Alcazar (originally Al-Qasr, the palace), Alpujarras (the highlands), and the surname of one of our columnists, Alcántara (the bridge). The prefix “guad” meaning river also derives from the Arabic, as in Guadalquivir (great river) and Guadalajara (stony river). Place names beginning with ‘Ar’, ‘Cala’ or ‘Medina’ are also of Arabic origin.

[Link: www.surinenglish.com...]

36 William  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:50:19pm

Some context, this from the Islamic Supreme Council of America, one of the most "moderate" Muslim organizations in the United States:


Individual Freedoms in Islam
The object of rule in Islam is to implement God's Law -- that legislated in the Quran and Hadith, known as Shariah (Islamic law).  The ruler who does so is to be followed, and the one who does not is to be corrected.

[Link: www.islamicsupremecouncil.org...]


The President of the United States is on the main page of the website.
 

37 AG in Houston  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:50:25pm

Ed

Don't tell me I'm eating humus when I am crunching into a Chalupa!

38 evariste  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:50:43pm

Ed Moran, lol at Guadalajara...when I read it I parsed

Wadi al khara

ie Valley of Shit but you are right, it must be from

Wadi al Hajara

Valley of the Rocks.

39 arrrr  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:50:53pm

40,000 B.C.

Muslims invent fire

40 arrrr  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:51:26pm

39,999 BC

Muslims burn Israeli flag

41 AG in Houston  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:53:18pm

39,998 bc

Muslims burn themselves.

42 FreakyBoy  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 4:57:14pm

What's new?

OF couse muslims were first to discover California. So it's theirs.

Muslims also buried the gold in California to hide it from the thieving Jews, so that's theirs.

Muslims built the Golden Gate Bridge so their men could get to NAMBL@ meetings without boarding a ferry. So that's theirs.

Later, they invented the silcon chip, well, the guy who did took algebra, so it's theirs.

Face it, no matter what's out there...according to them, it theirs.

43 evariste  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:00:31pm

Allah says: Moooooooooooooooooooooo.

44 William  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:03:35pm

Letter sent to the editor.

The item that really got me from the article was this: "The Declaration of Independence possesses Islamic concepts."

In their dreams.

Like parasites, they latch onto anything of value in the world, adopt it as their own, then attempt to re-write history as they go along.
 

45 Evariste's Zaide  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:06:11pm

#18 Robet Crawford
I don't think Fell ever said anything about Arabic inscriptions.
He did identify some as Phoenician, Punic & Iberian.
Have you read what he wrote or just what others said he wrote?
I find his books to be very interesting inasmuch as I found two artifacts on my New England property that match perfectly with some described by him.

I don't exppect to find evidence of Roman occupation in Tucson or anywhere else in North America, either.

46 addison  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:06:25pm

Does MEcHA know about this infringment upon their claim to California?

47 evariste  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:07:56pm

addison-yeah! let's sick the racist fucks on each other! :-)
Are you in Chicago btw?

48 evariste  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:09:20pm

Zaide, neat! Really? *scurries off to Amazon* any recommendations in particular?

49 RightIsRight  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:10:21pm

These disgusting bags of filth hate America. At the same time they will use our free society to undermine the beliefs it was built upon.

Seeing and hearing that Flash with God Bless America playing in the background while Islamist excrement "flashed" on the screen made me sick. Talk about mutually exclusive concepts...

I only hope this country can wake up before we end up like France. Sadly, I would not bet my house on it.

I spoke to an old friend of mine a few days ago. We have been the best of friends since middle school. We shared the same Nugentesque beliefs; God, Guns and Rock n Roll and a love of our country. We have both wandered away from the God part of the equation (sometimes I question why, but that is a novel in and of itself), but have remained true to the rest.

When the subject rolled around to militant Islam and its direct effect on life in the US, he seemed rather ambivalent. I pressed on, citing numerous occasions of Islamist behavior in the past 5 years (familiar material for most LGFers). To my surprise, he said I was being an alarmist and militant Islam and its inherent terrorist ideology wasn't really that much of a threat to our way of life. It was "a problem for the Middle East to deal with."

This "argument" came from a man who is a resident ER physician, Ivy educated with conservative values. His ability to assess situations with reason have literal repercussions on life and death. He recoiled when I brought that fact into play.

Needless to say, I did not relent. I told him he had better become a regular reader of LGF or I would kick his sorry ass :)

Time will tell.

50 Cornholio  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:10:54pm

I did a double-take at the photo with the Whitehouse covered in Arabic script.

"What? The Islamoterrorists Invaded D.C.?"

51 Laxmi  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:11:13pm

The Moslems already think they are the legitimate owners of Aldonia, but the wicked infidels have thrown themout. The Pakis lay claim to the whole of India, Tartars talk about their once rule over the whole of Russia and even Turks want to rule Cypress, Hungary and Austria to be restored to the descendents of the Pashas, etc.

Now, they have laid claim to and included the United States of America to the list of their lost Empires perhaps.

This quote was enlightening:

The transformation that our community is undertaking perhaps will act as a conscience to this administration and give hope to those Muslim Americans who wish to make America "a more perfect union."

The more Perfect Union?

Ah! So the muslims are not happy about the present state of United States.. after all, it would be prefect if the name read as
'United Islamic States of America'!

Now, thats a more perfect nation!

52 li'l Kate  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:12:24pm

Jibril Hough, president of the Charlotte North Carolina chapter of the...

I think this is what we need to keep our eyes on. The Muslims will mass produce (like they have in Israel) like rabbits and use the democratic election process to circumvent the constitution.

Pretty frightening if ya ask me.

I read a while back about an L.A. TV station that did an investigation about a bunch of Muslims that bought a small town in the hills of CA. and have fenced it off and practice self rule.

Tricky little bastards that they are, they could run CA. in the next 20 years.

Instead of 'recalls', they could inforce public stoning of any official that messes up the budget!

And Susan Sarandon would have to wear a burka to the Oscars!

53 William  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:13:29pm

Charles, one quibble -- they're not saying they discovered California, they're saying they discovered America:

"Muslims have been a part of the fabric of this society, in some fashion, since before Columbus. Muslim explorers visited the West Coast long ago."
 

54 li'l Kate  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:14:28pm

Jibril Hough, president of the Charlotte North Carolina chapter of the... Islamic Political Party of America

Islamic Political Party of America

Sorry this is what got left out of last post after ......

55 Tiburon  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:15:05pm

#20 AG in Houston

Where are these caves? What paintings do they show? Stickmen with suicide belts?

This ought to be deemed an LGF classic one-liner! ROTFLMAO! :-D

56 Evariste's Zaide  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:17:03pm

Evariste,
see the link at my #60 on "Bush Supports Israel Self-Defense" thread.

One is a re-issue of another, so, in reality, only 3 books not 4.
Start with "America B.C."
The establishment historians curse Fell's name to this day!
They don't mind a smart ass unless he's right & upsets their neatly sorted & stacked life's work.
Heinlein was right: button sorters & bottle washers.

57 evariste  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:17:41pm

I thought that was hilarious too. Actually one of the funniest things yet!

58 Evariste's Zaide  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:19:28pm

#49 Right Is Right
"Sadly, I would not bet my house on it."

Too late!
You already have.
And the wife & kids, too.

No place left to run to.

59 William  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:20:49pm

State of the Union address in 2075?

[Link: usinfo.state.gov...]
 

60 addison  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:21:08pm

evariste,

No, South Carolina. If you weren't asking me...then you still know.

61 evariste  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:22:22pm

My zaide, oddly Amazon doesn't list any of his books. I've bookmarked the page that you link for next time I'm buying books.

62 evariste  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:23:38pm

addison-I was asking you. Addison's a major street in Chicago. Of course as far as I know it's a popular place name.

63 Ms. Andi  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:24:41pm

Coming into this cold, so forgive me if anyone else pointed this out. Somone pointed this out on an Iranian discussion forum.

Quoran (9:11) note the numbers

For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Arabia and Lo, while some of the people trembled in fear, still more rejoiced for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah.

Now i do not own a copy of the Quran. And I just quit smoking and am going through the 72 hour hell period. Therefore, I don't have what it takes to look this up. Any input would be appreciated. Is this actually in the Qu'ran?

64 Lively  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:25:08pm

AG in Houston: Did you see Masrur Kahn is running for the city council in Houston? He has his engineering degree from Karachi, so he's all set. How you ever heard of him?

65 Model4  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:26:21pm

Can't wait until NASA is sued for damages caused by their Infidel Eagle lander crushing their mosque on the Moon.

What we need now is for some of our American Indian organizations to take Jabril on a guided tour of where they've been on the continent, trace the history and path of where the white and black men went and when, and tell him sorry, don't remember you.

Although in all fairness, an irresistible urge to hump a buffalo, grizzly or a cougar would account for the sudden departure. Just cause goats are more approachable doesn't mean that all critters are.

66 David  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:27:33pm

Of course California is Muslim. After all Allah's always shaking the ground beneath the kufr.

67 aph  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:27:42pm

this Jibril guy is a white dude - a convert to muslim who now makes a living crying racism...
White converts to Islam are a peculiar bunch; they are often very gung-ho and super passionate in their beliefs. I don't know if it is the nature of the person (thus explaining why they are capable of being a convert in the first place) or the nature of the religion (does it require such passion/extremism?).....Anyway, I always get a kick out of seeing Caucasians completely enraptured by Islam - just wanna smack my head and say, what the hell are you thinking?

68 evariste  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:27:51pm

Ms. Andi-it's not, but much more importantly GRATS!!! Mazel tov!
I'm coming up on two weeks of not smoking, myself. (It'll be two weeks tomorrow). Check out Why Quit, I thought it was excellent and it definitely helped me a great deal.

69 Evariste's Zaide  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:28:55pm

Evariste,
Try the used books section.

70 papijoe  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:33:20pm

I sent my polite letter to the editors. I even resisted the temptation to point out the similarities between Hough's explanation of the origin of California with the scene in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" where the father claims all words have Greek origins, like the word "kimono"

71 evariste  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:35:02pm

papijoe-oh, you should'ave!
Evariste's Zaide-Excellent, added to my list. Thanks!

72 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:37:49pm

This is old hat. The Muselmans have been claiming the discovery of the New World for years.

You know why?

I suspect it is so they can justify offensive action against it. Remember, Islam believes that once land enters Dar ul-Islam, it must remain in Dar ul-Islam. Land that is lost must be retaken (Israel, Andalusia, Kashmir, etc.) If California (and the rest of North and South America) were discovered by Muselman explorers, then it once belonged to Dar ul-Islam, and should now be reinstated to that status. which means.....

Jihad anybody?

73 papijoe  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:39:11pm

#71 evariste
So...now that you quit, you'll be seeing the Marine Corps recruiter any day now?

74 Ms. Andi  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:39:27pm

Evariste

It's not? Oh well, sounded too good to be true.

Thanks for the link, I am going through hell right now. I am sure I will feel better in a few weeks. However, there is a window of opportunity here.

If there is ever a time I would strangle someone to death, it is now. Bring me Arafat now!!!!!

75 Teacake  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:40:07pm

I think what muslims did invent was carpetbagging.

76 Tish  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:42:52pm

From my comments to the "errors" section:

Monday's essay by Jibril Hough, "New party, old religion", is not in accordance with established scholarship. There is 500 years of written documentation for the history of the West Coast, and Muslims do not appear in it until the 20th century.

There is no evidence for Mr. Hough's assertion: "Also, 30 percent to 40 percent of the Africans who were enslaved, kidnapped and brought to this country were Muslims."

There is no evidence for his additional assertion of Islamic concepts in the Declaration of Independence.

It is reprehensible of you to allow Mr. Hough to publish his essay without any substantiation - not even one footnote! If a someone were to write an essay asserting that the Native American Indians were descendants of the 10 lost tribes of Israel, would you publish it? And yet there are many people who believe it - Mormons, for example - with more evidence than Mr. Hough (although I believe it is misinterpreted).

Although I can understand your apparent desire to extend every facility to a member of a "victimized minority", you certainly shouldn't do so at the expense of facts.

Please publish an explanation of California history - from scholarly sources - or require Mr. Hough to disclose the evidence for his assertions.

Otherwise, I will expect to see a byline for Hans Christian Anderson on your front page news!

77 evariste  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:44:01pm

papijoe-Real soon, real soon. I think by this time next year I will be in the USMC.
Ms. Andi-every other time I had quit, I went through hell. This time it was supremely easy, because I had that site as ammo. You really should just click on everything there for a few hours.
Teacake-lol! I was speedreading and I made out "carpetbagging" as "teabagging" at first.

78 ploome  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:44:26pm

Mrs Andi..(3 translations)

[Link: www.usc.edu...]

Koran 9:11

009.011
YUSUFALI: But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand.

PICKTHAL: But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge.

SHAKIR: But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.

79 Thom  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:44:39pm

This story has pissed me off like I've never been pissed off before - 9/11 aside. We really are losing, if this bullshit could be published in the South.

I feel like burning a fucking mosque.

But I am a law-abiding person and will not do such a thing.

I will write my pointless letters to news outlets and politicians. And do some target practice.

And wait.

Good night.

80 Paul  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:46:42pm

Wow! Is there anything Muslims haven't done? They discovered America, helped write the Declaration of Independence (it's a fact, Thomas Jefferson was was a Muslim), they landed on the Moon before NASA (NASA= Nasser), they invented the vacation (it's true, there was no concept of leisure until the Muslims invented it). Now they're going to improve the Constitution and make this a more perfect country.

81 placebo  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:48:46pm

in other news..

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

82 Teacake  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:49:03pm

teabagging. lolol evariste - how did you come to find that hilarious website? That is the best graphics I've seen yet. The other one doesn't seem to load... other than the voice saying over and over welcome to whatever he was saying. lolol

83 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:49:11pm

#76 Tish

It is a sad commentary on the state of fact-checking in this country to see that Muslims routinely are allowed to get away with cry-babying about African slavery. They were the ones who INVENTED the whole blasted black African slave trade, hundreds of years before the Portuguese came nosing around. Scholarly estimates suggest that more black Africans died in the Trans-Sahara slave route to Egypt and Algiers than did in the trans-Atlantic slave route (not that this lessens the horror of that crime....)

Given that Arabs genuinely believe black Africans to be good for slaves only (even to this day, just look at Sudan and Mauritania), one wonders why they yet get away with blatantly lying about this whole matter?

84 John B  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:51:26pm

I read the article quickly (very quickly) but didn't notice what kind of drugs Hough was taking.

BTW - how did they discover California? They don't appear to have been great seafarers like the Vikings, Polynesians or Portugese/English/Dutch etc.

85 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:52:06pm

#80 Paul

Why, the Moooosleeeems even picked a peck of pickled peppers.

And then cut off the guy's head after they figured out the peppers weren't halal.

86 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:54:12pm

If "California" comes from "Caliph", then I wonder what "Baja" means in Arabic?

87 jdwill  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 5:58:38pm

Message sent masster. Sorry for the long absence from the ranks, but my life is aptly summarized here.

88 Mordred  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:01:37pm

John B., the Arabs actually did quite a bit of seafaring. They actually made it all the way to Korea, which they called "al-Silla."

However, there's no evidence they made it to the New World. Muslim dawah-artists take Native American words and religious beliefs, and twist them around to make them sound Arabic. Anyone who knows Native American language and culture can tell you it's all bullshit.

There is some historical evidence that a group of stranded sea-faring Turks were washed up on the South Atlantic coast in the 16th Century, and intermarried with the Cherokee, producing a people who call themselves "Melungeon", but that happened long after Columbus.

89 Ms. Andi  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:09:03pm

Yeah, I should of looked it up. But you do not want to know where my head is at right now.


The post I saw was not posted by an Iranian, but an American. Nevertheless, I appreciate the input. I new I could find clarification here.

I also appreciate the support, I know I am doing the right thing. However, those nicotine voices won't let me sleep. Therefore, my fact-checking abilities are limited at best.


Nevertheless, my offer still stands, bring me Arafat now, I will kill him in a slow painfull matter. Take advantage of this window. Otherwise, I'll kill him shiftly and shortly.

90 fiery celt  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:15:08pm

Ms Andi,

Quoran (9:11) note the numbers...For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Arabia and Lo, while some of the people trembled in fear, still more rejoiced for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah.


Now i do not own a copy of the Quran. And I just quit smoking and am going through the 72 hour hell period. Therefore, I don't have what it takes to look this up. Any input would be appreciated. Is this actually in the Qu'ran?

The Aforementioned quote is totally FALSE...It is another attempt by Islamics to rewrite Quranic prophecy after the FACT!

Depending upon which translation of the Quran one uses, the section corresponding to chapter 9, verse 11 actually reads something like this:
But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.
91 Ken Barnes  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:24:05pm
92 Bette  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:26:07pm

When the Arabs landed in Cali the first thing they did was establish almost total dominance in the essential "quickie mart" and liquor store economic sector.

93 olga  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:26:10pm

I thought African-Americans were so upset about slavery because the slave was isolated from his own tribesmen and stripped completely of his language, customs and religion.....only to learn English and become Christain....forgetting all that he left in Africa and certainly did not pass it down to his kids.

Also, Saudi Arabia abolished slavery in 1960.....100 years after the US.

94 Ken Barnes  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:26:15pm

Damn, you're quick, Fiery Celt.

95 JOEY  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:26:36pm

"Muslims have been a part of the fabric of this society, in some fashion, since before Columbus."

I saw a sci-fi horror movie that had the same plot.

96 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:27:22pm

#90 Fiery celt

Why would the moonbats rewrite Islamic prophecy in a way which would basically be saying that we're going to clean their clocks?

I suspect this quote (which started making the rounds, as far as I've seen, about two weeks ago) was invented by some misguided superpatriot to try to whip up the ranks of the average Amurrican into thinking that even the moonbats' own holey book is against them (esp. with that "coincidental" 9:11 citation). I wish people would stop sending this quote around, since it only makes the sender look stupid, and "discredits" anyone else against radical Islam. Some guy at work the other day showed me this quote, rather excitedly. I (who have actually studied the Qur'an) had to do the dirty and break it to him that this was a forgery.

97 Model4  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:27:35pm

Unbelievably OT, but interesting to me in the context of leftist moonbattery: This is a link to the seething and often vile leftist site Democrats Underground. "Yeah, so what else is new?" But what's interesting to me is that they started up a thread on Dem contenders' gun control positions, and the majority there stepped up to say that 1) Gun control is a losing item for them, and amazingly 2) That most of them don't agree with it, especially to the extreme point it's been taken by their political class.

Gives me hope that there's one issue we can drag the Dems back into the mainstream on, and stop dividing ourselves over.

98 K.  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:27:52pm

check out the ippa action alerts. There's the obligatory defamation of Daniel Pipes along with much tin foil [ass]hattery.

99 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:29:14pm

#93 Olga

Correction, Saudi Arabia technically abolished slavery in 1960.....

100 Robert Brandtjen  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:33:11pm
It is important for the American public to know that although this political movement by Muslims may be somewhat new, Muslims have been a part of the fabric of this society, in some fashion, since before Columbus. Muslim explorers visited the West Coast long ago.

Good, they can fight it out with the "Aztecs" of "La Raza" for control of California's bones after the Democrats are done picking it's corpse. With a little luck, they'll kill each other off.

101 olga  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:34:40pm

#99
You're right!

102 Ms. Andi  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:35:13pm

Fiery Celt and everyone, I'm sorry. I've should have never have posted while in this state.

No smoking=good, right?

No merlet, ok miss it, but ok.

No coffee, you're kidding, but ok.

No "American Sprits" in the Blue Pack, YOU'RE KILLING ME!!!! but ok.

Sorry. No more posting for a few days. I think I consumed 5# of celery and carrot sticks today.

103 Infinite Justice  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:37:39pm
104 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:38:19pm

#102 Mrs. Andi

Don't worry about it. Besides, we all wish it were true......

Learn the Truth about Islam

105 endnprbias  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:39:09pm

copy of my post to the Charlotte Observer

To the editor:

A newspaper has a responsibility to its
community and to its professional guild to be accurate and informative. Jibril Hough's rant
does a great disservice. Our country and our values of freedom and tolerance are under attack by Islamic jihadists. The problem is not in the investigative reporting by courageous
individuals like Steve Emerson. The problem is that moderate Muslims who believe in tolerance and freedom are being intimidated by the likes of Hough. Hough makes up things about Muslims in America. I will grant him that algebra comes from Arabic, but California is from a 16th century Spanish novel about a fantasy island.

If Jibril Hough supports the United States, he would be speaking out against Islamic jihadists and speaking up for better tolerance toward women, Jews, and Christians by Muslims here and in the many countries where Islam fundamentalism rules.

Sincerely,

106 Neo_Con  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:41:32pm

to the charlotte observer:

You really should hire a fact checker instead of publishing the kind of claptrap you published about the "arabic" name of California. Shame on you. Obviously you're bending over backwards for the poor oppressed muslim minorities, but don't do so at the expense of simple truth.

"California. The name was applied first to what is now called Baja California, around 1562, and later extended to Alta California, the present state of California. The term originally referred to a mythical land of Amazons, ruled by the beautiful black queen Calafia, as described in a Spanish novel, Las sergas de Esplandián (The Exploits of Esplandian), by Garci Ordóñez de Montalvo."

107 Robert Brandtjen  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:47:36pm

Oh G-D, and I wonder just how many people who come to this site (to say nothing of the rest of America) helped give life to the lie of "mulit-cultural diversity" and the faith that it would set all free. You know who you are.

To all of you who supported this P.O.S. political clap trap, I just want to extend to you a hearty and warm felt Fu*k-YOU as well as to your loved ones for bringing this shi* down on our heads.

That goes double for you ted kennedy, you duplicitous murderer.

But hey, it's all good in the end, anything that rids the world of those slimy, crusading christian devils is worth it, after all, we are the vermin of the earth, right multi-cultis?

Long Live the King, Long Live Richard the Lionheart!

108 Ken Barnes  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:50:56pm

Previously on LGF, a thread which included the bogus "eagle cleansing the lands of Allah" quote, along with such classics as Ezekiel 25:17

109 Robert Brandtjen  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:53:51pm

#86 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus-

If "California" comes from "Caliph", then I wonder what "Baja" means in Arabic?

From the "New Arabic Dictionary":

"Baja"- boy who bends over. He who bends over (as in youth). To bend over in order to receive the word of "allah".

Orginally, Ba Ja! was used as a command by muslim overlords to their young male servents- "ba" to bend over. "ja" - and receive (as in my "semitar")

Hope that helps, Titus!

110 Mohommed  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:55:16pm

Hey kufr we may not have discovered America, but we invented heaps of really useful stuff, like burkhas and suicide belts and big sticks for beating wives and curvy swords for beheading apostates.

Allahu Akbar.

111 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:56:54pm
112 db  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:59:07pm

As a Muslim I shouldn't have to apologize for something my religion doesn't endorse. Terrorism is wrong for all, not just for some "fundamentalists." The difference this time is that the chickens came home to roost.

Jibril Hough, 09-19-2001

[Link: www.ncdot.org...]

113 Tamar  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:59:14pm

Does this mean that we can send our exploding, baby killing, female mutilating, "Peace partners" over there??

I sorta like Big Sur, can we send them to Texas??

114 Geoff Pynn  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 6:59:24pm

Here's my letter to the Charlotte Observer:

Dear Editor,

I am profoundly disturbed by your decision to provide a forum for the Islamic Political Party of America. The IPPA's website, like much of the conspiracy-theory obsessed Arab media, promulgates the most vicious anti-Semitic canards regarding the September 11 attacks:

"[The western media] also neglected to report that 4000 Jews employed at the World Trade Center were absent at WTC on 9/11. Nor did they report on the thousands who saw WTC Building Seven fall without a plane hitting it."

Many American Muslims are heavily involved in political life, and all Americans should applaud the growing plurality of religious representation in the public square. But the IPPA should hardly be regarded as a legitimate participant in this process. It deserves no more credibility nor column space than the Nation of Islam or the Ku Klux Klan.

115 Bombarafat  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 7:03:03pm

You know what has elements of islam in it? my crap. Besides the corn koernels that is

116 Robert Brandtjen  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 7:04:59pm

La Raza and Jews
on Collision Course in Alta California


Recently a Mexican-American fringe publication called "La Voz de Aztlan" published an editorial entitled "La Raza and Jews on Collision Course in Alta California," which any Jewish-American concerned about the maintenance of Jewish influence would be well advised to ponder.
117 FH  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 7:06:14pm

All I can say is that I am not surprised. The Wahhabis needed a "legitimate front," and now they have it. When they start running candidates for the legislature, and they actually are contenders, its time to worry.

118 Robert Brandtjen  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 7:09:05pm

#111 Dar ul Harb -

I was thinking more along the lines that we need a modern version of him

and fast!

119 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 7:10:41pm

#109 Robert Brandtjen

That was, uh, edifying.

120 steve miller, dude (provisional)  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 7:11:30pm

Oh, so like I'm gone for TWO FREAKIN' HOURS and this huge thread breaks out.

Where are the party hats?

Where are the universities of peace?

Where, indeed, are the MISSING GLOBULAR CLUSTERS?

121 Tamar  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 7:12:33pm

Aztlan and MeCha are hardly "fringe" organisations. They are represented on campuses across the USA and have wide support among young "Hispanic" voters.

MeCha also proudly boast of their 30 year long association with the PLO and that scum-bag Arafat (They've got some real cute pictures on their web-site).

Joseph Farah calls them "America's Palestinians" and you'd best take them seriously!

122 FJ+  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 7:13:08pm

Robert Brandtjen,
You wrote -

"Long Live the King, Long Live Richard the Lionheart!"

Is it really OK to praise the french on this site ;-)

123 LB  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 7:14:05pm

It's right there in Sinbad's fifth voyage when he comes across an undiscovered land: "The people of this island are fouler of condition and religion than those of the other, for that they love fornication and wine bibbing, and know not prayer nor call to prayer."

Sounds like California to me!

124 steve miller, dude (provisional)  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 7:15:52pm

The best part is the illiteracy of the Islamites - they have an obvious misspelling on the last part of the animation.

125 Robert Brandtjen  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 7:20:15pm

#122 FJ+ -

Is it really OK to praise the french on this site ;-)

Umm, Richard Plantagenet was the King of England, and parts of France, but he was by all acounts, English.

126 Tatterdemalian  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 7:22:22pm

The Information Revolution is upon us. Like all true revolutions, it will require a great change in the way we think and how we do things. Just as certain kinds of behavior that were once seen as criminal are found to be harmless, there are also certain behaviors that were once seen as harmless that suddenly become a dire threat to survival.

The first revolution, the Agricultural Revolution, was brought about by the realization that planting seeds (or capturing and breeding meat animals) and protecting them as they grew would create a stable food source. Farming was so much more productive than hunting and gathering that nomadic societies were abandoned en masse in favor of creating permenant villages. Freed from the need to constantly scrounge for food, villagers could turn to other pursuits not directly related to survival. However, there were also new hazards associated with cities. One of these was the fact that, freed from having to rely on one another for survival, people without any family ties began to see each other as potential threats. Such fears would often develop into outright hostilities, and death by starvation was replaced by death at one anothers' hand. To bring an end to such internal hostilities, rules of behavior and etiquette had to be established, and some method of redressing grievances and punishing offenders had to be developed. Thus, with the rise of farming and civilization, came the rule of law, and the governments needed to administer it. Some of these governments worked well, and their subjects flourished; others did not, and their subjects died out or returned to nomadic living.

Other revolutions would follow, with the Industrial Revolution being the second world-altering revolution. The ability to produce tools en masse did the same thing to artisans and merchants that farming did to the nomadic cultures. It, too, brought about new modes of thought, and carried its own set of pitfalls. One of these was the fact that some people suddenly had enough material goods that they could use their distribution to influence others to let them ignore the rule of law. This was a dire threat to the very foundations of civilization, and quite a number of nations have been destroyed when wealthy fools overthrew the government for their own aggrandizement, only to be overthrown by wealthier fools, and eventually the rule of law was replaced by the rule of fighting warlords. Fortunately, the USA had founders that saw the coming change (many even lived through it), and the government they created has proven adaptable and strong enough to prevent serious abuse.

Now we are entering a new revolution, one where people can communicate and share ideas with one another anywhere in the planet. It's the current revolution, but it also carries traps that can be the death of nations, even that of the USA. Facts can be shared, but so can fiction, and carefully crafted lies can develop followings large enough and fanatical enough to destroy entire cities, especially when they have access to enough factual information about their targets to know where they can strike with impunity, and with what. The Al-Qaeda 19 were the alpha test of a new kind of destroyer. Armed with knowledge of the way our air travel system works, and steeled in their mission by blatant lies that were constructed so that anything they observed that contradicted their beliefs could be easily dismissed, they committed the largest terrorist atrocity that the US has ever suffered.

We will have to find a way to bring the rule of law to the internet, and even to all our communications systems, or we will see ourselves destroyed, not by starvation or by weapons, but by lies.

127 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 7:26:07pm

One might also say, when John Paul II passes away, we may have need of a Pope who can start another Crusade...

128 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 7:28:31pm

The Lost Tribe of Zionist Occupied Globular Clusters, you mean?

129 Robert Brandtjen  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 7:29:36pm

#119 Titus-

we seek to inform, in this case it was in keeping with arabic as well as islamic philosophy- it was, as it were, in keeping with the claim to Kalifornia by said arabs. Pedophilia is a way of life in islam, ask any GI (or anyone else) who has been there.

121 Tamar-


I know they should be taken seriously- thats why I post whatever I come across on them here, and elsewhere.

A year ago I warned people here about them- they all chided me we had nothing to fear from "little brown people looking for work". One hopes the scales have/are falling from their eyes. Some people are loath to admit their mistakes though- like those who believed the sloppage known as "diversity is our greatest strength". Those that believed it, and there are plenty here on these forums every day, are those who are to blame for the comming mess that is already materializing all across America, most notably California.

Once upon a time, the cavalry would have just driven these losers out, but no more. We are a nation gone soft, served a daily diet of "soma" in the guise of television sets and beer, the average american seems to deserve his pending fate.

130 Robert Brandtjen  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 7:39:17pm

#126 Tatterdemalian -

We will have to find a way to bring the rule of law to the internet, and even to all our communications systems, or we will see ourselves destroyed, not by starvation or by weapons, but by lies.

Naw- lets spread some of our own- the sooner we get to total chaos and societal breakdown the better.

That's when we can do what science (in the past, the idiots usually killed themselves off through their own misfortune) has prevented for awhile. Weed the flotsam with war, good against bad. As usual, many many good and decent people will die while the remainder summon the courage to do what's right. Eventually a strong leader will emerge and lead the "people" to victory over the "evil" ones.

Now that's a scary thought, ehh folks? it is usually what happens, though, when society collapses. I can't imagine what it is that makes people think that can't happen here- because it is well on it's way already.

131 FJ+  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 7:53:20pm

Robert Brandtjen,

You wrote -

"Umm, Richard Plantagenet was the King of England, and parts of France, but he was by all acounts, English."

Not according to the encyclopedia brittania.

Bio of Richard I Coeur de Lion (1189-99 AD) follows -

[Link: www.britannia.com...]

In fact, I read somewhere that he didnt speak any english at all.

133 Camel Prophet  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 7:59:02pm

Coincidently, earlier today I posted a download page for North Carolina's "social studies" curiculum. Political univocalism/social egalitarianism at its worst:

[Link: www.ncpublicschools.org...]

A little ethnocentrism can't be all that bad.

134 Grandma  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:01:04pm

I don't often post here, although I "lurk" a alot. Today, however, I hope I did my part and submitted my feedback to the Charlotte Observer. I am not very articulate, and certainly don't always appreciate the difference between polite, rude, and "politically correct". But I learned a long time ago that "money walks, everthing else talks". That's why I submitted to this rag the feedback that I'd like to share here. Beat me up if you will, but at least I said something to these people.

"Recently my daughter and son-in-law and their two daughters relocated from New Jersey (their choice) to the Charlotte, NC area. They are quite pleased with their new location and new home. So much in fact, that they have encouraged me, as a retired senior, to sell my properties in NJ and make a real estate investment in property in NC. Based upon their assessment, I have seriously considered such a move. I have even been in contact with a real-estate agent regarding properties in the Lake Norman area. That is, up until today. Today, you see, I read your article by Jibril Hough and was so disturbed that I find remaining in NJ or moving elsewhere a much better option than moving to an area where opinions as supported by your publication are viewed as acceptable.

First off, I was disturbed by your writer’s dismissal of both Cal Thomas and Steven Emerson as “Islam-ophobes”. The author made not one reference to his/her reasons for that declaration, and your publication found that accusation as acceptable without questioning the author for the facts whereby he/she formulated that opinion.

Secondly, your writer states (as I have read ad nauseum in so many publications), that “our civil liberties have been attacked by the likes of the so-called Patriot Act”. However, I have yet to hear, and that includes any details from your writer, specifically, which of his/her/my/your civil liberties have been attacked. I, personally, can’t think of one that has affected me. I would be very interested to know about these attacks, (inquiring minds want to know) yet your writer makes broad-brush statements, with no specific substantiation, and obviously, you publish and support him/her without asking.

Thirdly, the next-to-last paragraph of this diatribe states that his/her “community” wants to “act as a conscience to this administration and give hope to those Muslim Americans who wish to make America a more perfect union”. In my opinion, that statement is the “money quote”. I happen to be an un-hyphenated American. I am not personally interested in any hyphenated culture’s goal of making the country I live in “more perfect” to promote their issues. By your writer’s own words, his/her admission is that the “National Islamic” organizations are “issue based”, yet nowhere in this article does he/she specify what issues are promoted. This omission on your publication’s part scares me no end!

Lastly, I will clue you in to the mindset of this particular American. Your writer’s statement about the name “California” being derived from an Arabic word in order to promote the revision of history to include Arab/Muslim culture/religion as a credible influence on American history is beyond amusing. Where I live, we would tell you “if you believe that, I got a bridge to sell you”. What’s next? Someone is going to tell me the word “Brooklyn” is an Arabic derivative meaning “peace”?

Sorry NC. I think I’ll cash in my chips and spend them elsewhere…Georgia, SC, Florida….maybe even St. Somewhere. The Charlotte Observer tilted my hand. Thank you very much for your delightful insight into what’s really going on in NC."


Grandma

135 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:01:07pm

#131 FJ+

Before I go....

FJ, keep in mind that in the 12th century, the entire noble class in England spoke French (since the Norman French conquest of 1066 was only, what, less than two centuries earlier?) The common people spoke the Anglo-Saxon dialects, but the nobility were thoroughly Frogified. In fact, it was this whole advent of Norman invasion leading to a Frenchy-English nobility that was the basis of the English crown's claims upon lands in France, which eventually led to the Hundred Year's War, unending antipathy between France and England, the reassertion of English nationalism after the War of the Roses, and the eventually ascendancy of English over French, resulting (finally) in high civilisation coming to Europe.

136 FJ+  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:03:49pm

OK OK. That was just a joke.

137 FJ+  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:06:20pm

Except for this part.

"and the eventually ascendancy of English over French, resulting (finally) in high civilisation coming to Europe."

Huh ? Whatever happened to the greeks & the Romans &, for that matter, the french ?

138 Dredd  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:08:29pm

You do realize that two members of this little islamo-fascist cell were caught and convicted of selling cigarettes for profit in the North and donating the proceeds to Hamas and other Islamist terror organizations... It was only a couple of years ago. I was living in Charlotte at the time and it was a big to-do.

There are several colleges in and around Charlotte that these groups feed on.

I say we have us a good barn-cleanin!

139 fiery celt  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:11:29pm

My Letter to the Editors of the Charlotte Observer...
Mon, Oct. 06, 2003

The article you published, by Jibril Hough is full of fallacious statements, deliberate inaccuracies and out right lies...

I have provided your publication with links validating the facts I present, in refuting the statements in Jibril Hough's article.

There seems to be a campaign by Islam-ophobes such as Cal Thomas and Steven Emerson, among others, to instill a false sense of fear into the American public, as Muslims become more politically active and register to vote.


Any public figure that has questioned Islam or it's history has been villified and branded as "Islamaphobes", or worse, by Muslim groups, such as CAIR and the American Muslim Council...

Our party consists of Muslims who accepted this faith through conversion and/or lineage, those who are indigenous to this land and those who are immigrants. We all are practitioners of the same faith, Islam, and citizens of the same country, America. This grassroots political organization wishes to partake in the political process, address the concerns of the Islamic community and defend our right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."


( and the subjugation of everyone else into "dhimmis". Look into the History of Islam and non-Moslems)

It is important for the American public to know that although this political movement by Muslims may be somewhat new, Muslims have been a part of the fabric of this society, in some fashion, since before Columbus. Muslim explorers visited the West Coast long ago. Arabic writings have been found in some caves in California. The name "California" comes from the Arabic word calif, meaning ruler or leader.


What the Heck???? This is totalally unbelievable..... California -Bestowed by the Spanish conquistadors (possibly by Cortez).
It was the name of an imaginary island, an earthly paradise, in "Las Serges de Esplandian," a Spanish romance written by Montalvo in 1510. Baja California

"The Declaration of Independence possesses Islamic concepts".


What??? Judeo-Christian Concepts...absolutely nothing of Islam!

"Also, 30 percent to 40 percent of the Africans who were enslaved, kidnapped and brought to this country were Muslims"


These are out right Lies!!!
Muslims enslaved Black Africans in Africa., both Christians and Animists, since the thirteenth century. The Arab word for African black is the same word as "slave"...
In fact Islam (namely Arabs) still practice Slavery today on the African Christians and non-Arabs of Sudan and Mauritania .

Some of these built the U.S. Capitol building. The descendants of others were lynched and attacked as they fought to gain the right to vote and for self-determination.


(Islam never fought for or built anything in the United States!)

Since Sept. 11, 2001, Muslims have seen many changes in the place we call home. Our civil/religious liberties have been attacked by the likes of the so-called Patriot Act. This, coupled with the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and the continued unbalanced policy towards Israel


(Unbalanced??? Siding for Israel's very survival??
The Palestinian's Goal is to desroy Israel and commit genocide upon the Jewish people)

and Palestine, gives Muslims many reasons to become more politically active -- as well as exercising our right to vote as we look towards an American "regime change" in 2004.Vote


(A Democratic Vote in 2004 is a Vote for Islam)

The transformation that our community is undertaking perhaps will act as a conscience to this administration and give hope to those Muslim Americans who wish to make America "a more perfect union

."(On the Path to the Implementation of S'haria Law and and Dar el Islam "global Islam")

Our Prophet Muhammad (may peace be upon him) said in a prophetic statement, "In the last days, the sun will rise from the west." Perhaps, as Muslims in America become more politically active, that sun will begin to rise.


(Over my dead "American" body...I will not go "dhimmi" unto that good night)

I suggest that the Editors of the Charlotte Observer, READ the Fatwa in the website of the Islamic Political Party of America, the group, the author of this article, represents
(really read it...and take it seriously, because that is their goal).... [Link: www.ippausa.org...]

140 Robert Brandtjen  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:12:46pm

#131 FJ+

Richard the first of England, otherwise known as RIchard the Lionheart, was the king of fame in such books as "Robin Hood" and "Ivanhoe" (Ivanhoe is the one where the pretty Jewiss who helps Ivanhoe is played by Elizabeth Taylor) and is also the book that tells how Jews helped ransom him from the Austrians- who were preforming French perfidy.

Richard the Lionheart is the King who defeated the great Salladin not once but thrice- kicked his ass, even.

He was English- read the link above- or buy a book on English History- you will never regret it, the English, next to early America, were perhaps the greatest nation on earth. From a tiny island nation, they rose to become the world's first super power- commanding all of it's oceans and seas as well as 25% of the earth's surface. Truly spectacular. They also gave birth to the world's language (someone should explain that to the Mexicans) as well as establishing the present system of sea trade and mercantilism.

Who else but the English, would establish a Corporation, sell shares in it and use the money (as advertised in the prospectus) to raise a private army and conquer a continent? The name of that corporation?
The East India Company

Way way cool.

141 Neo_Con  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:13:02pm

Good stuff Grandma.

142 Dredd  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:13:59pm

And you GO Grandma!! That is the best way to get their attention that I've seen in quite awhile. I liived in Charlotte for 10 years and the one thing that always gets attention is MONEY! Even "carpetbagger cash" like yours.

But I think you might like Myers Park if you get there for a visit. Tell everyone at the Selwyn Ave Pub "Hey" for me!

143 steve miller, dude (provisional)  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:18:09pm

#134 Grandma - If we could prevail upon you to ALSO copy this letter to the Chamber of Commerce, Mayor's office, Real Estate agent and office, and any other civic groups in the area - that might be very helpful.

I'm surprised this hasn't made more of the media rounds.

C'mon, Arnold, get elected already so we can get the media to focus on THIS.

144 Evariste's Zaide  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:21:34pm

IIRC, Queen Victoria's consort, Prince Albert spoke no English.
Can't say much for his taste in wimmins, either.

The tides of Latinate & Romance languages vs Anglo-Saxon still ebb in our modern lexicon.

Beef (Boeuf) vs cow, bull, steer.
Pork (Porc) vs swine, pig.
Mutton (mouton) vs sheep.

Hence "AAAARRGH, get thee hence and be fornicating thyself, ye blighter!" gave way to "Oh, GFY!"

145 Robert Brandtjen  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:22:32pm

#134 Grandma -

You did good, Grandma. Your generation waking up to what's going on in this country is absolutely necessary to turn it around. The elderly are amongst those who can remember the real america and it's history. The average 20 something (even some 30 somethings) haven't a clue anymore.

When I ran phone lines during the last election cycle, I learned alot about America's elderly- they are from a time when Americans knew the country came first- they weren't concerend in 2002 about their S.S. checks, they were concerned abou the soul of this country and understood the fight for it was on- G-D Bless em all. Sadly, far too many Americans today are more concerned with "whats in it for me" then anything else.

Go get em- and tell your friends.

146 spidly  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:23:35pm

I bet our little Buddies could clear up this controversy

147 Robert Brandtjen  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:28:22pm

#144 Evariste's Zaide-

The tides of Latinate & Romance languages vs Anglo-Saxon still ebb in our modern lexicon.

yeah, but English is the language of business, and has been for a long time now. Remember, also, that English is the sum of those Romance languages sprinkled with germanic- they were, after all, germanic peoples that conquered england after taking "france".

IIRC, the celts were once on the mainland of europe, but were driven west.

148 spidly  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:31:08pm

#107 Robert Brandtjen 

now, Robert "Fidei Defensor" Brandtjen 

149 Robert Brandtjen  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:31:32pm

Gosh guys, I can hardly wait for the civil war- I wish it would come while I'm still young enough to fight in it, but alas, I fear it will most likely fall to my grandchildren.

If things keep going the way they have been, it will come.

150 dan rudy  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:32:56pm

They had a lilnk and a pretyped letter ot the editor of the religious section expressing their outrage at Newsweeks article "challenging the Quoran"

I cleared the contents of the letter and instead sent a congrats to the editors at newsweek about their excellent article.

151 Robert Brandtjen  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:38:52pm

#148 spidly-

Well, you know as well as I do that's what multi-cultism was all about- diluting the white christian population base. It's ok, you can admit it.

As usually happpens with ill conceived projects of it's kind, it is now in the process of imploding and creating far more problems then ever existed here before. So, I think it's good if it makes some people uncomfortable now who thought they would somehow benefit from it. It's good they feel what we have been feeling for the last 35 years. Now maybe they will admit they were wrong and address it before it too late.

Then again, some people like to shoot themselves in the foot. I find it painful, myself.

152 Grandma  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:39:45pm

#141, Neo_Con, thanks for your support. I don't always know when I'm doing the right thing.

#142, Dredd, I'll be in NC the middle of Oct. and I'll check out Myers Port and try to get my son-in-law to spring for drinks at the Selwyn Ave Pub. I'll remember your name (is this a safe thing to do?).

#143, Steve: I thought about copying the CoC, etc. also. Maybe tomorrow. It's 1:30AM on the East Coast and old ladies like me need our beauty sleep. But I think I'll do that tomorrow.

#145, Robert: Thanks for your words. It is so tempting for older people to vote based upon "what's in it for me". I know too many of them. But because I have such a great stake (four kids, six grandchildren) in the future of this land, I resist and still do whatever I can for what I believe is good for my country, not necessarily what is just good for me today. I even beat up all of my kids to vote.

153 steve miller, dude (provisional)  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:40:48pm

I responded to the C-O with a letter written in sorrowful befuddlement, that they were either trying to mock Islam by letting this letter show its idiocy, or that they were ignorant of the facts & thus let this through.

154 steve miller, dude (provisional)  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:41:52pm

Grandma, if *I* ever took a nap for my beauty sleep, I'd wake up to the second administration of President Gnat Lileks.

155 papertiger  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:46:41pm

Over my bloody body. I won't surrender California to Mexicans and I sure as hell won't give it to no splodydopes. Sell it to the Nigerians, no ones buying here.

BY the way am I the only one that guy from Nigeria tries to get to help him move his millions from his war torn country?

156 Steve Brandon  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 8:48:42pm

From the "Press Releases" page:

Mr. Abdallah’s case along with Drs. Al-Arian and Al-Najar are evidence of the targeting of Muslim leaders in this country and around the world. American Islamic leaders like Imam Jamil Al-Amin and Mumia Abu Jamal, who is president of the American Black Journalists Association. He has been incarcerated for over twenty years for an alleged cop killing, which evidence shows, he did not commit. Abu Jamal has a very large Islamic and non-Islamic following as does Mr. Al-Amin including such outstanding statesmen like the former president of the Republic of South Africa, and well known celebrities as actors Ed Asner and Danny Glover, and political activist Dick Gregory. These and many other incidents inside the US have most in common the fact they involve Muslim leaders during the current climate of Islamophobia that is being created by our president Mr. Bush and his “coalition of the willing”.

I've been following the claims of the Mumia Abu-Jamal nuts for years, but that's the first time I've ever heard that he's the president of the "American Black Journalists Association". The closest lie I've heard is that Mumia is a Peabody Award winner. Anyhow, I Googled "American Black Journalists Association", and, surprise surprise, the only link there is is the aforementioned press release. Either they pulled a fact completely out of a camel's butt, or the "American Black Journalists Association" is just a one-man affair Mumia himself invented, the same way I'm president of the "Canadian Rush Limbaugh and Sailor Moon Fan Association".

The closest thing there is in real life is the National Association of Black Journalists, and the only time Mumia is mentioned on their site is this page, which mentions that the NABJ takes no position on the case.

157 fiery celt  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 9:17:57pm

Here are some e-mails for some other Newspapers in Charlotte, N.C....These competitors might be interested in the fact that the Observer, has provided a forum for a radical, anti-Semitic Islamic group.

Charlotte Business Journal;
charlotte@bizjournals.com


South Charlotte Weekly;
Judy Morganthall - Editor
Email: judy@southcharlotteweekly.com
Phone: 704-543-9797 (ext. 17)
Fax: 704-543-9790
Kathryn Daniel - Editorial Assistant
Email: kathryn@southcharlotteweekly.com
Phone: 704-543-9797 (ext. 10)
Fax: 704-543-9790

The Charlotte Post
thepost@mindspring.com

158 yosyos  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 9:28:05pm

#68 eversite my goodman

totaly OT but I took your link and went to have just a quick peek at the link you gavewww.whyquit.com"...]>
and after 30 minutes in it, I tore all the cigaretes I had in my pack to piece to the applaus of my co-worker.

thank for the link

159 evariste  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 9:31:07pm

Oh, that is just such excellent news, yosyos. I'll drink to it! Congratulations! I'm proud of you-probably not as proud as you are of yourself.

160 evariste  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 9:39:38pm

In fact, while I'm drinking to things, I'll drink to my own quit as well as Ms. Andi's. *glug glug*
Hooray for all three of us!

161 zaza  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 10:30:30pm
noxious combination of Muslim supremacism and overbearing victimhood

Heh... that's so spot on.

As for the name "California", here's some more bits:

...there was also a mythical land named "Califerne" in an earlier book by the title of "Chanson de Roland" [11th century].

#35 Ed Moran - from your link "Place names beginning with ‘Ar’, ‘Cala’ or ‘Medina’ are also of Arabic origin" -- well not necessarily for "Cala", it might come from Greek, you know, kalimera, kalispera, er, well, that's all I know :) - no, but really, "kali-" means "beautiful, good" etc.

There's a discussion on this on a mailing list of (I gather) Spanish linguists - see here, threads with "california" in title - apart from mentioning the romances, there's sugestions about the Greek origin, and mentions of this other hypothesis too:


The name California is of uncertain origin. it is said to be named so by Cortez in 1535, either from Spanish caliente fornalla (Latin calida fornax) = hot furnace, referring to the heat of the sun, or after the Greek mythological island of Queen Caliphia.

But don't let anything stop the Islamic Party! People with such imagination deserve a place in politics. Looking forward to when they claim they were first to explore Iceland...

162 Jewels (aka Julian)  Mon, Oct 6, 2003 10:52:22pm

One Nation Under Ummah? I think not.

163 Emery Calame  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 12:28:51am

I'll have all of you know that Lutherans discovered California and towed it from it's original resting place off the coast of New Zealand and carefully attached it to the western shore of North America at the request of Spain.

The project took sucha long time that when completed the area was under the control of Mexico. It was made easier with accoustic guitar strumming and red jello.

Sadly the actual construction tasks were handled by those dastardly Missouri Synod Lutherans who did such shoddy work that it's about to fall off again. They were all like" Oh who's gonna be living here in 200 years anyway?! Leave us alone. "

Should have left it to the ELCA. :)

It got it's name at the "end of contruction ceremony and fellowship" when little Lutheran girl called it "Cali" after one of her cats and presented it as a Birthday gift to the daughter of the president of Mexico who was named Nia.

Cali for Nia!

Everyone went "awwwwww...that's cute."

Ah swares it's true!

164 Ptah  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 12:37:14am

FEH!

I'm a native Californian, and the etymology of the name is quite plain!

Calor- hot

fornia - fornication/

Therefore, California - land of hot sex....

165 ashan  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 1:11:12am

Muslims seem to have a peculiarly annoying habit of stealing history. They - especially the Palithugs - do it to Jewish history all the time:

Palithugs predate Jews in Ancient Israel.
Abraham was actually a Palithug.
Abraham actually favored (his discarded concubine) Hagar, hence Ishmael is the real pooh-bah.
Jews were a minor blip on the historical screen and it was really the Arabs who ruled the roost.
Jerusalem was founded by Arabs.
There was no Temple.

And on, and on, and on ...

What about the wonderful fiction of Islamochristian heritage in America??!!! Islam and the Constitution??!!! Oh yeah, and Ben Franklin - not to mention - Thomas Jefferson AND George Washington were actually Muslim!!!! Wha-hoooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sure those misbegotten islamofascists also contend that they discovered Britain and China and Australia AND France. So why not California??!!!!!!!!

166 tictoc  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 1:38:58am

Sir:

Via littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog ("LGF"), I learned that you allowed a Mr. Jibril Hough to spread a number of falsehoods on behalf of the "Islamic Political Party of America".

I believe that you have already received e-mail from other LGF readers giving a point-by-point refutation of the outrageous lies in Mr. Hough's screed.

I will therefore limit myself to noting the perspective from Europe, where I live. Islamic immigration, on balance, is a negative phenomenon for European societies. Moslems do not integrate into their host nations. They remain a culture apart, oppressing their own women in ways that would make stone-age societies appear liberal and enlightened.

They bring with them their rabid hatred of Israel and poison the discourse against Jews. They are disproportionately often on welfare and soak up a huge volume of child support. Europeans were hoping to import people to offset their own population decline, but in fact they are now confronted with an aggressive medieval mindset, bolstered by a so-called religion that views Christians and Jews with contempt.

Americans, take heed before it is too late. You do not want to go down the same route as Europe. Restrict immigration from Muslim countries while there is still time, and don't let Muslim advocacy groups browbeat you with cries of discrimination and racism.

Sincerely,

167 Ginger Liz  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 1:47:43am
a musical soundtrack best described as “Mohammed Bless America,”

Tears are streaming down my face - - - that was the crappest thing I have ever been privileged to see in my life! (The Muslims who created that ridiculous flash thing obviously don't know that music is prohibited by Islam.)

___________


And evariste, from your link in #68 (which I've bookmarked!) I found a passage that could pretty much have been written about me:

Ask almost any current smoker why she continues to indulge in such a dangerous activity and she will normally reply, "Because I like smoking." While she may say this in all honesty, it is a very misleading statement, both to the listener and to the smoker herself. She does not smoke because she enjoys smoking, rather she smokes because she does not enjoy not smoking.

although I am doing my best to enjoy not smoking.

168 Ed Moran: Oh, That Edward  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 1:58:03am

Zaza- Interesting, being a student of Attic Greek ( back in the day), kalos indeed meant good or beautiful. And kakos meant ugly. So perhaps Saudi Arabia should have been called Kaka-fornia.


Ho anthrowpos phagein ton hippon.

( Mind you, there weren't "h"s per se, but "rough breathing" marks indicating an "h" like sound on the singular masculine nomitive article, (h)o and the singular accusative noun for horse (h)ippon.
Anthrowpos ( the ow indicating an Omega instead of an Omicron), nomitative singular masculine for man, doesn't have an "h" sound as the alpha has a smooth breathing.

The root of the verb in this sentence also shows up in the lotophagoi, the Lotus Eaters of Odyssey fame.

Chaire Haymera, Y'all ( Attic Greek greeting)

ED

169 Ed Moran: Oh, That Edward  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 2:00:03am

Did I mention nobody has spoken Attic Greek outside of a Catholic high school classroom in over 2000 years?

170 Buster Bunny  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 2:13:19am

i'd just like to put some light on the origins of California as a name. It has more to do with the ideas of the Spanish as far as fantasy goes.

here is a link for a little more detail
A little Chronology of the Californian State

now .. reading that .. any [bigoted word] countercrap should be shot down as it stands ..

Cali was based on a Spanish Fantasy place .. like OZ .. like .. PALESTINE ;)

171 DP  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 2:14:19am

And from the article

The Declaration of Independence possesses Islamic concepts

I didnt know that the US consitution was based on the sharia.

172 SonofCalif  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 2:26:16am

[Link: www.mesart.com...]


There may be some substance in the word origin.

Although it will be difficult to explain the lack of proper attire and the fact that the leader is a female. If I was Muslim, and Im not, I would stay away from this reference of the origins of word, California.

173 Ed Moran Back at the Coal Mine  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 3:17:45am

171 DP

Of course the Constitution is based on the sharia. Why do you think the Federal penalty for robbery is amputation?

174 axiom  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 3:25:25am

Hahhaa, silly fools. The legend says that Cortez named the land California to spite the muslims that wanted a world dominated by Islam. As formentioned, the Spanish weren't exactly all that friendly with Islamic wickedness.

175 axiom  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 3:56:50am

Ahh, so it's exposed. The party champions the "causes" of cop killers like H. Rap Brown and Mumia Abu Jamal and looks for support from Castro darlings Ed Asner and Danny Glover.

Their stance is quite clear to me. They villify the Patriot Act yet have no issue associating with people that openly support the supression of speech, expression, assembly and the press. They villify the Patriot Act yet have no issue supporting convicted murderers like H Rap Brown and Abu Jamal.

Frankly, I'm shocked that a newspaper would publish inventions of a hate organization. Do papers in the US publish the KKK press releases?

176 ploome  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 4:50:55am

#155 papertiger

the guy from Nigeria sent me a fax..
:-P

177 kitty  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 4:53:57am

#30 Ed

At least CNN call that conflict by its proper name...the BBC has decided to alter it:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/31702 80.stm

WTF was the "1973 Middle East War"?!? Oh, that would be the Yom Kippur War, when the Arab scumbags attacked Israel on the holiest day in the Jewish calendar, hoping that everyone would be too busy praying and fasting to defend themselves!! How like the cowardly bastards they truly are!

178 Rick Z  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 5:30:20am

Did my part:

There was a column you printed, New Party, Old Religion, by Jibril Hough (10/06). There was this statement in that article: ". . . Muslims have been a part of the fabric of this society, in some fashion, since before Columbus. Muslim explorers visited the West Coast long ago. Arabic writings have been found in some caves in California. The name "California" comes from the Arabic word calif, meaning ruler or leader." This is a complete and utter fabrication, and to print such a distortion of history, without comment, is mind numbing.

Whether you realize it or not, your paper may be read by children, or even required to be read by schoolchildren. There are opinions, such as the Saudis financed 9/11, or lies, such as 1 plus 1 equals 3. The article you published definitely falls into the latter.

Is journalistic integrity now being sacrificed at the altar of outrageous politically correct prevarications?

179 BH  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 5:37:42am

This sounds hilarious, but it's pretty chilling. If they are left alone to repeat this idiocy long enough, it may garner some credibility among those who don't know better.

I wonder if this is part of a long-term plan to declare California as stolen/occupied land and call for a separatist state. Sounds reasonably familiar, no?

180 Frank IBC (Satiated)  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 5:38:59am

The name "California" comes from the Arabic word calif, meaning ruler or leader.

Thanks. Now I will never be able to listen to The Red Hot Chili Pepper's Californication without laughing hysterically.

181 Eric  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 5:39:51am

Just send this to the Charlotte Observer:

I just read the 'editorial' by Jibril Hough, and am shocked that you published his inane and unsound ramblings in your paper. His so-called facts and history are without merit, his reasoning unsound; in short, you do your paper and your readers no credit by printing this drivel. Maybe you did this to give the Muslim community their voice in your paper, which I whole-heartedly agree with, but this person is possibly the poorest voice I can imagine for that group. This editorial proves only that this man is fundamentally disturbed and lost in his own dellusional world; and that your paper needs to start reviewing what it prints before it makes itself a laughing-stock. Let me make myself clear; my objection is not that you published an editorial I disagree with; I object to your poor judgement in publishing an editorial that is devoid of facts and full of idiotic untruths that remind me of the propoganda spewed by the early Nazi party. Please, for your own integrity, refrain from printing drivel like this, there is no honor in encouraging a fool.

182 View From Illinois  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 5:44:08am

Holy crap!!!!

If it's true that the Muslim's invented everything, then I think we now have absolute proof that Dr. Evil's father was (gasp) a Muslim. After all, he did invent the "?" mark.

Sadly, I truly believe that political correctness and politics as usual are slowly choking the life out of Democracy and giving life to those that wish to see our demise!

183 JonathanD  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 5:48:04am

I'm surprised the fcukwit didn't note that muslims have been greating each other for centuries by saying "I see all the Laker Games." Further proof of their California connection. it wan't assamalakum or some such as we'd thought.

Just kidding but it does sound a little like a boast Spike Lee might make.

I see all the Laker games

184 Frank IBC  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 5:54:26am

This is similar to the gibberish that "Afrocentrists" have been spouting about Western Civilization supposedly being "stolen" from "black" Egyptians who had battery-powered gliders circling around the Pyramids.

(BTW, Reuters is having a sale on "scare quotes" today. :) )

Of course, to the poisoners of young minds such as Roger Lowenstein, it would be "judgemental" and "racist" to challenge such pathetic notions.

185 LibraryGryffon  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 5:58:44am

Semi-OT:

Richard the LionHeart was Norman. He spoke little to no English. As a member of the ruling class it would have been beneath him to speak the language of the peasants. His father, Henry II (Henry Plantagenet) intended to break up his Empire on his death, leaving the continental lands, the center of his power and the land which gave them their identity, to his eldest son (Henry?), and Richard, as the second son, was to get England. Henry II tried to conquer Sicily for his 3rd son, Arthur, and Ireland for his fourth son, John. When Henry and Arthur died before he did, plans changed, leaving Richard, as the eldest surviving son, the French lands, and John was to have England, neither the Sicilian or Irish schemes having worked. Richard had already taken possession of England, so when his father died he just took over the whole thing, and didn't hand England to John as Henry had intended, (which explains much of John's behaviour during the next 10 years).

I don't remember the exact amount of time he spent in England during his reign, but I believe it was less than 12 months, certainly less than 2 years. Most of his time was devided between the French lands and the Crusades. His primary interest in England was as a source of funding for various other projects. John actually tried to rule the place which is why the nobles loathed him so much more than the absentee landlord, Richard.

186 Evil Genius for a Better Tomorrow  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 6:20:48am

#26, evariste:

Ummm... did you happen to stay up and watch the last four minutes of the game last night?

187 Frank IBC, Kalif-fornicator  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 6:34:15am

#12 Evariste -

That was soooo gay.

Ahem*...maybe someone here needs a little time in Sensitivity Training? :)

(*Throat-clearing sound, not reference to recent LLL hemorrhoid)

I'm surprised Hindus aren't claiming that California was named after the goddess Kali.

Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the Jewish year

That should be third holiest day in the Islamic year, you kufr.

/Islamofascist Moonbattery

188 d  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 6:39:58am
On September 11th, a day the unified Americans from all walks and ways of life, Muslims were there in sympathies and deeds. The Muslim Scouts of America went to Ground Zero to assist the rescue and relief efforts.

Wtf?

I did a google search for "Muslim Scouts of America" and nothing came up.

Well, this link for a cartoon video about a make-believe Muslim Scouts of America came up, but nothing actually based in the real world.

I am shocked, shocked, that this man is apparently confusing a cartoon series with reality.

189 Ben F  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 6:51:43am

#177 Kitty--

In Israel, and among Jews worldwide, it is called the Yom Kippur War.

In the Arab world it is known as the Ramadan War.

Both names speak volumes.

Because the Islamic calendar has twelve lunar months per year, Ramadan falls "earlier" in the solar/Gregorian year each year than it did the year before and occurs during every season of the year if you wait long enough. The Jewish calendar has either twelve or thirteen lunar months per year in order to maintain the relationship between the seasons and the calendar months, which is why Passover (and therefore Easter) always occur in the springtime in the Northern Hemisphere. There are 235 lunar months per 19 years on the Jewish calendar (twelve 12-month years and seven 13-month years), versus 228 (19 times 12) lunar months in 19 years on the Islamic calendar.

Yom Kippur, the tenth of Tishrei on the Jewish calendar, falls in Ramadan (or in any given month of the Islamic calendar) one-twelfth of the time in the long run. It's not once every twelve years, though; when it happens, it happens for two or three consecutive years, and then after a few decades it happens again. If you like playing with math you can work out the exact periodicity from the figures I've provided. I think another Ramadan-Tishrei convergence is approaching, but I'm not sure how many years away we are.

190 evariste  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 6:51:54am

Evil Genius for a Better Tomorrow, of course I did! Fucking amazing wasn't it? The bad taste of that bizarre last minute call by the refs (was it "jumping" or something? What the hell is that?) still lingers, I wish it hadn't been a part of the win, but whatever who cares!!! Whatta comeback Colts! Unnnh!
Did you see my post from last night where I wished Tony Dungy a happy birthday? That was after the game was over & they had won. Wow huh? Wow.

191 Robert Brandtjen  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 7:45:18am

189 Ben F -

In Israel, and among Jews worldwide, it is called the Yom Kippur War.

It was called the Yom Kippur War by everyone, Ben ( I watched it on the news as it unfolded, so I know) except the Arabs. That shouldn't surprise anyone. I also watched, live, the kidnapping of Israeli atheletes during the Olympics prior to that. That's when I learned to dislike Arabs and their minions.

192 Nick Chalko  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 8:38:21am

Eversite re #1
No they can not. Till my dying breath California will remain free.
No hatefull racist orginzation will ever rule over me, my family, my state, or my country.

193 Evil Genius for a Better Tomorrow  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 8:46:08am

Great game. That call was total crap. I was coming down off my Red Sox high, I flipped over to the game and went for another wild ride.

If I was Jon Gruden at the postgame press conference, I'd pull out my checkbook, write a blank check to the NFL in front of all of the reporters, and then tear into the officials. That call was a disgrace.

And I don't like either team. (I'm a Pats fan, and we know something about disgraceful calls. Although the last one went in our favor, in New England the tuck call is considered payback for a certain roughing the passer call about 25 years ago.)

194 Billy Hank  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 9:29:12am

Here is my LTTE of the Oberver:

I recently bought property in Hickory to build a retirement home. After reading the editorial/press release "New Party, Old Religion", I am having second thoughts.

Are fact checkers a casualty of corporate cost cutting? The notion that California is named after the office of "calif" (Ruler) is both risibile in itself and a display of stunning ignorance and arrogance. Recall that a few short years before the Spaniards had finally driven the Muslims from Spain ending a long and bloody conflict. To claim that Spaniards named their new jewel to symbolize Muslim domination over the land is lying buffonery.

If you will check their website, [Link: ippausa.org...] you will find a thin veneer of multi-culti claims over the naked desire for the US to fall under Sharia, Islamic Law. This brutal despotism is what the Spaniards spent more than a century driving from their land. Will we be forced to fight the same battle? If the Charlotte Observer has its way and permits Islamic lies to flourish, it looks like we will.

For an alternate take on the derivation of "California" see: [Link: www.consultsos.com...] The two most likely candidates are a derivation of the name of an Amazon Queen in a then wildly popular romance or the land of "beautiful birds."

While I certainly welcome Muslims to the intellectual fray of American political life, they have to realize that their ideas and claims will get hard scrutiny as a byproduct. The IPPA is free to speak nonsense. Americans are still free to point out that these ideas are nonsense. Unless, of course, the Charlotte Observer wants to promote an intellectual hothouse where Islamic speech can flourish unchallenged. I would counsel the editorial staff with caution here. Islam is a mental monoculture when allowed to become dominant. That is the IPPA's stated goal. I doubt their ideas can survive outside of the tyranny and despotism that mark Islamic countries or PC editorial boards.

195 Throbert McGee  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 10:23:47am

Robert Brandtjen:

English is the language of business, and has been for a long time now. Remember, also, that English is the sum of those Romance languages sprinkled with germanic- they were, after all, germanic peoples that conquered england after taking "france".

Off-topic quibble: Your summary has it a bit backwards -- English is, at its core, a Germanic language that has been ''sprinkled'' (very, very heavily sprinkled!) with Romance influences. If you look at the first few thousand words that a young child or an ESL speaker learns, and at basic grammatical patterns, it's quickly apparent that English is much more closely akin to German, Dutch, and the Scandavian languages, than to Latin and its direct Romance descendents.

196 Frank IBC  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 11:48:59am

Case in point - English nouns, as in the Scandinavian languages, have no gender. All Romance languages use gender.

197 Frank IBC  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 11:53:50am

Also, English verbs are "conjugated" primarily by "helping verbs" - shall, will, may, can, should, would, might, could, do, did, etc., rather than by inflection, as in the Romance languages. Although what little inflection there is, is much less regular than in the Romance languages.

Also, the adjective ALWAYS precedes the noun which it modifies; in Romance the adjective usually (but not always) follows the noun.

And adjectives are inflected for comparative and superlative (X, X-er, X-est)in English; in Romance languages, the construction of X, "more" X, "the most X" is always used.

198 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 12:50:37pm

#197 Frank IBC

What, no sentence diagrams?

199 Murph  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 5:14:56pm

These people are delusional. To paraphrase Huntington, they are convinced of their superiority and obsessed with their inferiority. It's as bad as the "Neil Armstrong converted to Islam before the moon landing" rumour and the "Shakespeare stole his stories from Muslim writers" claim once made by Ghaddaffi.

It doesn't surprise me since I once endured a three hour taxi ride along the Turkish/Syrian border with a driver who told me that "Einstein was a fraud" and that "Muslims had first split the atom at the University of Haran" in what is now southern Turkey. The fact that Einstein hadn't split the atom and that the University at Haran had been destroyed by 13th century Mongol hordes armed with bows and arrows didn't seem to worry the man.

200 Muslim  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 5:19:08pm

With 3rd grade level reading comprehension i was able to clearly see that Mr. jibril said the WORD california came from the Arabic word Calif, not the origination state; how could a state be discovered that was already be inherited? But just as the Islamic Political Party of America has a right to exist under the constitution, so do people like you. So may the best God fearing group prosper and be an example.

Peace

201 Charles  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 5:23:57pm

^^ Lynchburg, Virginia ^^

202 zulubaby  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 5:29:55pm

The ever-present

Peace
203 Frank IBC  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 5:43:13pm

Muslim -

Time for 4ht-grade education.

204 Frank IBC  Tue, Oct 7, 2003 5:44:27pm

Sorry, its dyslexia is contagious.

4th, obviously

205 tictoc  Wed, Oct 8, 2003 3:37:34am

The Charlotte Observer online edition today has no fewer than four letters to the editor slamming the Jibril Hough op-ed.

Zero in favor!

206 Robert Brandtjen  Wed, Oct 8, 2003 5:16:27am

195 Throbert McGee -

English is, at its core, a Germanic language that has been ''sprinkled'' (very, very heavily sprinkled!)

Yep, your right. English is the melding of everything that the germanic hoards encountered and assimilated in their over running of Europe, and eventually America. Note how many "Amer-indian" words are in the Americanized version of English.

In fact, the emergence of English and it's evolution speak directly to the ability of it's native speakers to over come, subjugate and dominate the cultures which they over ran and later assimilated. Pretty magnificent, really. Very much the same as Roman Latin and it's spread amongst subjugated peoples. English, however, has thus far been more successful. Whether it or some future version is still spoken two thousand years from now will tell the final story of Western Civilization.


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