Proof of the quickly spreading mental disease common amongst the Islamofacists and their supporters.

Ireland WTF i thought the irish where the good guys now no more lucky charms

The Nazis were convinced that what they believed was "the truth" too. Once again, the Jews are on the right side of history, while their enemies arm themselves with lies. Unfortunately, being right has never protected Jews from being killed.

By being Jewish AND American, these people represent the intersection of two evils, in the eyes of the LLL.

Channeling VFI.

This stupid database has lots of silly ethnic categories:

Irish-Americans

Doesn't the Northern Irish Terrorists go to Israel kill Jews there?

Hasn't this been proven several times recently?

Hey Cork, Berkeley called, they want their Saudi money back.

The have all kind of Jews, Zionists, Non-Zionist, anti-Zionist, Moderate Zionist American Jew, Hardline Zionist Israeli American Jew, Irish-Jewish American, German-American Jew, Mizrahi American, Zionist Belarussian Jewish immigrant to US. And the plain American Jew.

I guess they do not like any of them

My congressman (Tom Lantos) is on list which is way COOOOOL...

Oh Danny boy!
The Jews they are ap-a-a-lling.
They killed our Lord
And all those refugees.
They poison wells
And bake blood in their pa-a-stries
So it's okay
To hate them if we please.
We'll make a list
Just like ones in the Thi-ird Reich
Of all the Jews
That people shouldn't like
And then we'll turn them all into
Pa-ri-iahs.
Oh Danny boy,
You've always said
A Jew's a kike.

Stupid bloody anti-semitism, to be sure.

I prefer my Irishmen drunk and singing "Danny Boy." When they get all intellectual, everything just goes to shit. I mean, c'mon, these are the same yahoos that gave us James Joyce, a crime against humanity if ever there was one.

The material presented here is intended to help people who, after a lifetime's indoctrination by Zionist propaganda, are starting to question their beliefs and who are interested in learning the truth.

Jeez Eddie Said speaking from raisinland.

Yep. "We an not anti-Semites, we merely oppose Zionism. As all Zionists are Jews, and all Jews are Zionists, we are providing a list of Jews so that you may completely ignore what they have to say. Remember, we are not anti-Semites. We embrace diversity and appreciate the value of divergent points of view."

Yes, but... one must keep in mind the damage the JeZionists have inflicted, and continue to inflict, upon the Emerald Isle.

Holy lgf outage Batman!
It wasn't hostingmatters either; their page & instapundit's were coming up fine.
I wonder if we were ddosed?

#11

Dang it! You beat me to it! Kinda throws my wan humor off kilter.

ccw

so, will I have to declare my religion before I speak or write anything?

this is getting beyond wierd

So much for the legend that St. Patrick chased all the snakes out of Ireland.

I posted the below earlier, but for Dr. Seuss to say all the Irish are bigots because of one Irish university is like saying all Americans are communists because of Berkeley.

BTW, I have significant Irish-Catholic ancestry on both sides of the family.

"Despite Voice of Iceland (or VFLIDE as I call her), I doubt the Irish people as a whole ( I have never been there) are antisemites.

Despite a population of about 4000 Jews in Ireland, Dublin has had two Jewish mayors in the last 60 years. One of the those men was active in the old IRA, which fought for Irish independence ( as compared to the modern IRA, which is a group of Marxist thugs)

Despite their small number, Irish Jews have made sizable contributions to their host country and its struggle for independence.

One well-remembered patriot is Robert Briscoe, an early member of the Irish Republican Army, which sent him to America in 1917 to raise money among Irish Americans.

Reportedly, Briscoe later taught IRA guerrilla tactics to Zionist Revisionist leader Vladimir Jabotinsky to use against the British mandate in Palestine.

Briscoe was the first Jew elected to the Dail, the Irish parliament (there were three Jews in the most recent one), as well as the first Jew to become lord mayor of Dublin. His son, Ben, held that post in the late 1980s.

[Link: www.jewishjournal.com...]

Don't forget that the Irish and the "Palestinians" share a love of murderous pyrotechnics.

Kabloom! Allahu Akbar, to be sure, to be sure...

Good Grief, Mon! The Irish should stick to what they know--wicked poteen and local politics--and stay out of telling the Middle East what to do. The Irish have no example to give.

The Irish know how to have a good time and how to have a punch-up on a Saturday night. They should stay out of Palestinian politics if they know what's good for them.

Their website is too f-d up to figure out anything about them. I wonder if they read Leon Uris' Trinity & consider that Irish propoganda.

I'm going to Ireland next month for a week. It will be interesting to see the attitudes there. It will also be interesting to see how much Guinness I can drink.

ot but does anyone else find it ironic that the Iraqi council doesnt want peacekeeping forces from its nieghbors to be allowed in the country?

#13: James Joyce, however, was not anti-Semitic, and that is one of the reasons he left Ireland.

I love Ireland and I love many things about the Irish. But after two long visits there, I sadly have to conclude that as a general rule they are extremely back-assward in their thinking, and maddeningly, they believe themselves to be highly enlightened. In short, VFI is a good representative even though she tries to hide behind various rationalizations. I had more honest Irish citizens than her casually use terms like "Jew bastards" in pub conversations, then turn around and scold me about "how bad Americans treat the blacks." There's nothing like being lectured about ethnic relations by citizens of a country where everyone is white and Catholic and where in rural areas black people are still gawked at in amazement (you mean, those people actually exist outside of TV??)

#19 - Connecticut Yankee

Well said...

How modern, an electronic Der Sturmer. Maybe thay can post hard copies of this Jooo list in Irish libraries and book stores.

#24 Black_Flag

ot but does anyone else find it ironic that the Iraqi council doesnt want peacekeeping forces from its nieghbors to be allowed in the country?

They don't want the Turks, very understandable. If the Turks had crossed the border during DS-2, it would have been the only time NATO troops ever fired at each other on purpose.

#20 Ed Moran, he of the green clovers (though NOT the yellow moons)

Yeah, I doubt the Irish as a whole can be chalked up to anti-semitism. The Irish seem to be one of the more level-headed people in Europe. Hey, they even get the concept that cutting taxes can lead to increase in revenue, which is something that 95% of the rest of Europe has completely failed to grasp, even though they've had the object lessons of Kennedy and Reagan to study.

The Irish, as with any other group of people (USA included) have their, uh, "intellectual elite" which follows the typical L³ herd mentality in hating the Jooooos, America, capitalism, mom, and apple pie. That's what this is, and it's the same thing you could find among any group of fascists on any college campus the world over, from Berkeley to Oxford to Gaza U. (which, I hear, has a top notch chemistry department and an excellent electronics vo-tech programme.....)

reaganite,

Why are the Turks interested in sending troops into Iraq; does it anything to do with the turbulent Kurds?

Before LGF has too much bloviating about St. Peter's church, let's remember that the link is:
http://student.cs.ucc.ie

There are a few "Israelis" having this POV.

Being a second generation Irish American Catholic, I'm not surprised to hear that opinions continue to be formed without reason. Might be a virus that has been spread by eating bull chips as children.

#28 Reaganite

They don't want the Turks, very understandable. If the Turks had crossed the border during DS-2, it would have been the only time NATO troops ever fired at each other on purpose.

What about when the Turks and Greeks fought over Cyprus back in, what, the 70s?

Boy, too bad we didn't let THAT one go to its logical conclusion!

#30 Paul

Why are the Turks interested in sending troops into Iraq; does it anything to do with the turbulent Kurds?

Of course it's the Kurds, they have a viable nation state and have for years, the Turks want to squash any Kurd nationalism. Funny thing is, we're trying to model the rest of the nation on what the Kurds accomplished over the last decade.

Well, if there's a group of people more stupid than the Irish they've yet to be identified. All the smart ones left for greener pastures years ago. Ask any Brit who the brunt of all "dumb" jokes are, and he'll tell you it's the Irish.

Coincidence that they cite Leon Uris' brilliant novel, The Holocaust, as I am just (re)reading QBV11 which is Uris' novel about the libel trial that resulted from that book.

The Irish, and the rest of the world's anti-semites, might do well to remember why we "uppity" Jews must have a Jewish state. I quote from a passage in QBV11 where the author addresses victims of the holocaust who are about to testify on his behalf:

...we are here because we can never let the world forget what they did to us. When you are in the witness box remember, all of you, the pyramids of bones and ashes of the Jewish people. And remember when you speak, you are speaking for six million who can no longer speak...remember that.

#29

Is that Gaza U in Gaza City? Because here in Canada it's also what we call Concordia University, the notoriously pro-Palestinian school in Montreal.

#33 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

What about when the Turks and Greeks fought over Cyprus back in, what, the 70s?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Cyprus isn't in NATO.

I'm still waiting for the link to Jewish Irish American's to load.

( Would Ben Stiller count?)

People, don't forget the Jewish-Irish hot monkey lust thing has been going on since the swinging 1970's

There's nothing like being lectured about ethnic relations by citizens of a country where everyone is white and Catholic

Except, in the North, where white Catholics and Protestants can't even get along. Yup, these people sure could teach the Arabs and the Joooos a lot about ethnic harmony...

I personally have ancestors that resulted from Irish-Jewish hot monkey love.

#33 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
One day I'll be able to read, duh, Greece!

Unfortunate, but not surprising from the country that elected Mary Robinson (piss be upon her).

Uh-oh, my wife is starting to make noises like she wants to check her Hotmail.

masochist, psycho, wackonut, Michael Lerner is a moderate Zionist Jew according to this list..

who can we send this list to?

Dershowitz?

whooo?

a Jew?

LOL

What year are we living in?  Is this more European sophistication that simplisme Americans don't understand?

According to this page on their site, they won the "University of the Year" award for 2003-2004.
 

Ugh, this makes me sick to my stomach. Though, I should go read Exodus, The Haj and Mitla Pass to make myself feel better. Ah, Leon Uris, you beautiful bastard...if you meet Edward Said in the afterlife, sock him one for me.

Josh

I can just picture the idiots behind this list going to the library and putting yellow stars on books by Jewish authors.

And the link is what?
http://student.cs.ucc.ie/

So F@@k the Catholic bashers. Unless you want Adam Shapiro website? Oh here it is:
[Link: www.commondreams.org...]

Except, in the North, where white Catholics and Protestants can't even get along.

Been trying to think of comparisons to the Catholic/Protestant and Israel/Arab conflicts. The best I can come up with is the British/Loyalist playing of the Orange Card--riling up the Protestants using fear of the Catholics. Another case of the landowners/wealthy using religious fervor to keep their subjects in their place, though not in the extreme of the Palestinians. Of course, this could just be due to the fact that I've recently read Trinity & Exodus and am brainwashed by the Uris propoganda machine.

#49 jefff

Of course, this could just be due to the fact that I've recently read Trinity & Exodus and am brainwashed by the Uris propoganda machine.

Or projection: [Link: www.1upinfo.com...]

So you label a bigot all Catholics because someone with this url : http://student.cs.ucc.ie
posts Adam Shapiro's propaganda?

#50 rizzo
So you label a bigot all Catholics

uhhh, no...never did that...

Rizzo, JeffF's post was about Ulster Unionist exploitation of Protestant anti-Catholic sentiment.

Remeber that the Irish rooted for Hitler during WW2

Eamonn De Valera even sent the Reich Government a message of condolence upon Hitler's death. Not a good sign.

I really am beginning to fear for Ireland...

The LLL ideals of EU weenies are beginning to be adopted be some of my Irish brethren.

First they elect "Mary Robertson"....yeeelch

Their Universities have obviously taken over by the idealogues from the anti-American, anti-Semitic-Zionist, communist/socialist, pro-Pali, pro-EU, pro-U.N., pro-Arab, anti-Western, anarchist, secularist, anti-Judeo-Christian liberal, leftist loons...

They produce the vile spew hating people like VFI...

and...

They disallow smoking in Irish Pubs...

Weep for Ireland,... for they have become one with Europe....

#51 jefff

Been trying to think of comparisons to the Catholic/Protestant and Israel/Arab conflicts. The best I can come up with is the British/Loyalist

Your words. Shiite/Sunni better analogy for Catholic/Protestant than arab/israeli don't you think?

Wolf Blitzer is a Zionist? Cool.

Man, I expect more of the Irish. I expect them to at least try to hide it.

#37 Reaganite

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Cyprus isn't in NATO.

Rightm but both Turkey and Greece are.

#53 robert schwartz

Remeber that the Irish rooted for Hitler during WW2

Perhaps we can discuss Mel Gibson's movie now?

#59 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Yeah, I slapped myself in #41.

Thanks, David--I wasn't sure where he was coming from. I should be in bed so forgive me if I ramble.

I didn't know about De Valera sending the Germans condolences. Weren't the Irish Catholics getting arms from the Germans? (The enemy of my enemy...) I always thought De Valera saved his own skin & doomed Arthur Griffith and Michael Collins by sending them to negotiate with the British, knowing a united Ireland would be impossible without civil war, thereby sacrificinge one of their greatest leaders.

#41 Reaganite

#33 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
One day I'll be able to read, duh, Greece!

That's okay, one day I'll be able to scroll through ALL the comments before responding to one prematurely.....

OT:
Gorbachev calls Bush decision to invade Iraq `mistake'

"I do believe there is some other agenda, other than weapons and Saddam Hussein," Gorbachev told a news conference Tuesday at an environmental meeting held at the City University of New York. "What kind of hidden agenda, well, that needs to be understood."

Jeeze!!! I just tried to finish my post on the dead fish thread and it all went to hell!
Now it's taking forever to load............arghhhhhhhhhh!

btw, I'm not terribly surprised. Ireland is the most backward country in Western Europe, and Ireland has always been strongly pro-Paleo (read anti-Jew).

#56 Rizzo

Your words. Shiite/Sunni better analogy for Catholic/Protestant than arab/israeli don't you think?

Probably. The thread got me thinking about comparing the two, but I couldn't really come up with anything in common other than that use of religion.

#66 k

Ireland is the most backward country in Western Europe, and Ireland has always been strongly pro-Paleo (read anti-Jew).

And GermanY?

Rizzo, as a (non-celtic) Catholic, I can usually spot an ant-Catholic comment a mile off. I cannot, however, see how JeffF's comment is anti-Catholic.

The Shiite / Sunni conflict bears much similarity to Protestant / Catholic hostilities; except that outside of Belfast, Protestants and Catholics hardly ever kill each other any more. Moreover, the origins of the Northern Ireland situation are more political than religious.

The Shiites and Sunnis are at it all over the place. And Imams encourage it.

The point remains that the Irish cannot teach us much about ethnic conflict - except how to keep it stoked up and explosive (literally) for year after year after year.

Sometimes I try to dream up the perfect American hybrid. I think its German Jewish, American Indian, Irish and just a bit of African decendent....thats me anyhow. What a mutt.
The Irish strand in the family is dumber than hell.

I don't care how they stupidly justify this crap. What I think this is is a thinly veiled hit list. It reminds me of the "neuremberg list" of abortion doctors who were marked off one by one as thugs killed them. The person who put up that list was implicted and last I heard was in Jail. I hope the Eire authorities pull this site and put the author in jail pending a long investigation of his or her contacts, phone calls, web surfing etcetera.

Has anyone written to the Irish authorites yet? or their ISP?

Regards,

Jonathan

Rizzo,

...

Been trying to think of comparisons to the Catholic/Protestant and Israel/Arab conflicts. The best I can come up with is the British/Loyalist

Your words. Shiite/Sunni better analogy for Catholic/Protestant than arab/israeli don't you think?

The S'hite/ Sunni analogy doesn't apply to Ireland.

We are not talking about a division based on religious differences, but a continuing millennial war between the races of successive invaders(Anglo-Saxon-Normans) and the indigenous Irish Celts and Picts.

Just to clarify that misinterpretation.

The conflict in Ireland is NOT based on religious differences, ...Cromwell brought the religion into the conflict.

Religion did not cause this war...Invasion did...

So far these folks have identified only one Hardline Zionist Israeli American Jew—Martin Kramer. Kramer more hardline than Morton Klein? More hardline than Podhoretz and Dector? Oh, none of them is on the list. Boy, I bet they're jealous.

Dr. Pipes earns the hardline label, but curiously enough has no nationality worth mentioning. Just another hardline Zionist Jew, apparently.

BTW, this is not just a list of Jews. Lots of people are listed with lots of affiliations. Since no entries are identified as Christian, Muslim, or by any other religious label, I suppose that the term "Jew" is being used in a national or racial rather than a religious sense, much like the identifiers "Arab" or "Palestinian" next to other names. A bit confusing, since this is at odds with the received wisdom, but there you are.

#68 rizzo

And GermanY?

Germany is neither backward nor anti-Israel. The German gov't's policy towards Israel leaves much to be desired but it is more balanced on the whole than that of any other country in Western Europe. And I'm not one who believes that children inherit the sins of their fathers.

I started reading the Leon Uris novels when I was a teen, and fell in love with the author. It's time for me to re-read them again.
As a matter of a fact I was still reading Uris when I discovered Tolkien.

#69 david

The point remains that the Irish cannot teach us much about ethnic conflict - except how to keep it stoked up and explosive (literally) for year after year after year.

So, having pointed out that the link:
http://student.cs.ucc.ie
is a STUDENT from Ireland I am led to believe that all Irish believe this b@llsh@t. In your fantasy world, the Irish are like the Greeks?

The IRA has long been an ACME-Arafat Enterprizes Franchise operation and the 10% cut he recieves is donated to Yassirs Rehab-A-Pedophile Fund International for lapsed Palistinian Presidents. Every knows that. Now lets put the fish on the stringer.

They mention the shame of the "Arab" Stereotype. How sad. Did these antisemite bastard Maxist slobs just forget about the millions of Jews slaughtered because of the Jew Stereotype that their co-religionists created?

Aaaahhh what do you expect from people who drink a pint of whisky before each daily wife beating on the front lawn.

#72 fiery celt

Religion did not cause this war...Invasion did...

Invasion by the muslims brought this war on.

Can a country that uses Martin Sheen as a tourism shill be all good?

#78 joey

Aaaahhh what do you expect from people who drink a pint of whisky before each daily wife beating on the front lawn.

From our politically correct fan base, we thank JOEY.
Next lions eating idiots!

I see that this thread is going to degenerate into another explosion of Irish and/or Catholic bashing...

Been there ...Done that...

Now, seeing that reasonable discourse and discussion is no longer warranted...

I'm out'ta here....

Ah, Ireland, the country that managed to have a pogrom last century even though only a handful of Jews were living there.

. There is a long and dishonourable Irish republican tradition of hostility to Jewish national aspirations. This has permeated the official culture of the Irish state, as well as of contemporary paramilitary groupings.

Thus, Arthur Griffith, the founder of Sinn Fein, was blatantly anti-semitic; Sean Russell, chief of staff of the IRA during the Second World War, died on a German submarine and was buried at sea wrapped in the swastika; Eamon de Valera, neutralist head of government during the Second World War, objected when the Irish Independent printed pictures of Belsen after the liberation of the camps; and Sean South, a republican hero of the 1956 border campaign, was also noted for his anti-Jewish sentiments.

Significantly, the Republic of Ireland was the last country in the EU to allow Israel to establish an embassy on its soil.

During the recent Troubles in Northern Ireland, the Provisionals forged many links with Middle Eastern radical groupings - becoming, in the process, the Irish wing of "terror international''.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

I never knew Wolf Blitzer was Jewish. Learn something new everyday.

Ah, but Adam Shapiro must be pissed that these assholes only labeled him as an American Jew and not an anti-Zionist one, like his cohort Ora Wise.

fiery celt,

IIRC, the Protestants in Ulster are, for the most part, originally from Scotland, not Anglo-Saxon-Norman, hence, the "Scots-Irish" in my family tree. Interestingly, the Scots themselves were originally from Ireland (invading Pictish "Scotland" in the 5th and 6th Centuries): the term scotti is an old (Latin?) term for the Irish.

VFI finding some sort of moral equivalency in 5...4...3...

This is all too depressing and, yes, unforgivable given Ireland's history. That a university would put together this type of list is what is doubly damning. The only response is to quarantine this school until all the snakes are chased out of Ireland.

As a descendant of County Cork in Ireland (3rd generation) I'm embarassed to see this in print. The Irish do not feel this way. I know this for a fact. I have contact with relatives there. Ireland is a VERY socailly conservative country. I have no idea how such lunatics actually got any kind of a forum in the homeland of my ancestors. Please disregard the moonbats. Evidently they are trying to infiltrate every corner of the world.

....and trust me....the Irish will not tolerate this.....

There is much talk about the Irish "economic miracle".
This was caused by $2 million a day in EU aid.

The only real Jewish population in Ireland is in the north of the country.

They were forced out of the south of Ireland after De Valera and a bishop from the the church of rome,met Hitler.

When Britain was defeated by the Nazis,De Valera was going to invade the north,and send all the Jews to Hitler.

This is historical fact.

OT: Boston 5 NY 2: Allah will really celebrate tonight!

STAFF IN THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF CORK, IRELAND

...start writing guys....

President
Gerard T. Wrixon, BE, MS (Caltech), PhD (Calif), FREng, FIEEE
Contact Details;
email sodonovan@ucc.ie,
Tel: (00353) 21 4903623

Vice-President
Áine Hyland, BA, MEd (TCD), PhD (TCD), HDip in Ed (TCD)
Contact Details:
ahyland@ucc.ie,
Tel: (00353) 21 4902203, 4902798

Advisor to the President
Éamonn Sweeney, BSc, CQSW, Dip App Soc, MA, MBA
Contact Details:
esweeney@ucc.ie,
Tel: (00353) 21 4903200

Personal Assistant to the President
Susan O'Donovan
Contact Details:
sodonovan@ucc.ie,
Tel: (00353) 21 4903623

Executive Assistant
Marie Riordan
Contact Details:
mriordan@ucc.ie,
Tel: (00353) 21 4902201

Vice-President's Secretary
Nuala Griffin
Contact Details;
ngriffin@ucc.ie,
Tel: (00353) 21 4902100

Vice-President’s Executive Assistant
Catherine Fairtlough:
cfairtlough@ucc.ie,
Tel: 021 4902202

Main University Cork Website
OOCallaghan@pres.ucc.ie

The Student University Newspaper
"eolas"
Information@UCC.IE

Folks, you all seem to be missing what Rizzo keeps pointing out - this is a student website. The URL Charles linked to is as follows:

http://student.cs.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/db.php?authorsInCategoryWithID=19

Note the word "student," and I'd bet the rent that "IPSC" stands for "International Palestine Solidarity Committee." This idiocy isn't sponsored by the administration of UC Cork - it's just another gaggle of campus radicals.

fuzz,

If it is a student website, all the more reason to bring it to the attention of the administration. They need to know what's going on, just like at Rutgers.

#90

A Red Sox/Cubs series. Dare we dream?

#92 Good point, I think you are right. Don't bash the Irish on the basis of a gaggle of student radicals.

I wish I was a notable author as I am a non-jewish Zionist German English Irish Ojibwe American

#13,

Mollie's gone to blazes,
Boylan's crotch amazes
Any woman whose husband sleeps with his head all buried down at the foot of the bed.

=======================

And don't forget about "the only Jew in the room."

"Saxon sick on the holy dregs ..."

What a wonderful Airplane ride. Thanks to Joyce.

OT: Is NPR really moving to the right?

#30 Paul 10/8/2003 07:01PM PST
reaganite,
Why are the Turks interested in sending troops into Iraq; does it anything to do with the turbulent Kurds?

It has EVERYTHING to do with the Kurds. Turks are very concerned about their own Kurdish "militants", particularly if NE Iraq solidifies as a formal Kurdish state.

Nazi pricks.

#97 Toni

OT: Is NPR really moving to the right?

No chance. It is a repugnant station.

Fix NPR

End NPR Bias

NPR No Pledge Campaign

Frankly I don't have an opinion on the Irish, because the are a diverse people. From what I've gathered, the Irish protestants are usually pro-Israel and the Irish Catholics are usually pro-Palestinian. The only really Irish person I know is one of my roommates, who constantly accuses Britain of inventing Nazism and Communism and calls Britain the foremost terrorist state in the world.

I'm an atheist, so I really don't care to get involved in the whole protestant/catholic debate. Can't we all just start bashing each other and killing each other over stupid crap after we've vanquished the Islamic threat or something?

Disgusting.

Just that.

Disgusting.

Rayra, no Turkish troops in Iraq! Those back-stabbers wouldn't help us during the war and now they want to send the troops there specifically to sow havoc and keep watch on the Kurds, the bastards. People may point out that the Kurds rebelled against the Turks, but they had damn good reason to. You go to prison if you say you are proud to be Kurdish. They treat them like they have no ethnic identity and they even outlawed the Kurdish language up until recently.

Don't bash the Irish on the basis of a gaggle of student radicals.

Not just any bunch of student radicals--they're at the best university in the European Union for 2003! They're the best and the brightest of Eire. Can't dismiss them as a bunch of boyos, can you?

Fay, 35

Well, if there's a group of people more stupid than the Irish they've yet to be identified.

They're called New Zealanders.

@105 Evan

*LOL
Yeah, only the kiwis would dream up a fart tax!

Now you know why I post here under my real name- because I felt for awhile now, the time was coming for all good men to stand up for what they believe in and be counted- you cannot be counted when you are a byte with a fictitious name.

I'll wear a star to, if it comes to that.

This is very bizaare, but not unexpected. It's been comming for 25 years or more.

S#!t...one more damn European country the spousal unit and I have to cross off our travel list.

PHRAWNCE
Germany
Greece
...and now Ireland.

Crap, and I was looking forward to biking in the countryside & doing my share to enhance Guiness' net income for next year.

That tears it.
I'm gonna compile a list of well-known authors and speakers who are Irish.
That'll show'em.

Re #108...

...damn, I almost forgot Belgium, the land of chocolate poodles!

#110 Jeff

What's wrong with Belgium? That Lambic stuff kicks ass!

#111 Lewis:

Chiraq's lapdog; tried to file "war crimes" charges against GWB, Rummy, General Franks...did I say Chiraq's lapdog?

#105 Evan: Too funny! My (late) ex brother in law was a Kiwi, my sister hated (with a passion) absolutely hated New Zealand. Which makes sense really when you realize that NZ is populated by Irish decendents!

I'd like to do a tour of the tuipios [sp?] in Venezuela.
Angels Falls sounds like a great place to see, and the tourism hasn't bonged the place out yet. Lots and lots of wide open spaces, big sky and rarely any people.

If a university allows this to be posted on its website, it tells a lot about the university. I'm not sure, however, that the students who put it together were Irish; it just seems bizarre that a European wouldn't know better. Campus communities tend to be diverse, and I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that Arab students are behind this particular page.

...I suppose the Irish are just as anti-Semitic as other Europeans. What else is new.

78 JOEY -
If your referring to the NAZIS, JOEY, they were not Catholics or Protestants, they, like the Communist counterparts, had to swear to their atheism and then take the oath of the NAZI party, JOEY.

Lets get and keep that straight. I am in no way condoning anything any individual of either faith says or does, but the NAZIS were not Christians- if anything, they were pegans. The Nazi propaganda machine then, and now, had the official claim that Christ was the bastard son of a Jewish whore and the religion itself was a Jewish tool to control the white masses of europe.

I wonder where they got that from?

Hey dirtbag in Ireland, get a load of these Zionist conspirators:

Haled al Azm, the Syrian Prime Minister in 1948-49

Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave. Only a few months separated our call to them to leave and our appeal to the United Nations to resolve on their return.”

The Memoirs of Haled al Azm, (Beirut, 1973), Part 1, pp. 386-387

Former Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Mahmud Abbas ("Abu Mazen")

“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live

Falastin a-Thaura, (March 1976)

Don't let the facts hit you on the ass on your way out.

#92 fuzz - you are right, but I still think the right thing to do is to write to all these UCC folks because:

1- they need to be made aware of the situation
2- speakers such as Tanya Reinhart get invited to UCC to speak (as part of this BS Awareness Week) - now, pardon my ignorance, but I had no clue about who she is, since I don't waste my time reading anti-zionist propaganda written by Jews of the worst kind (al a Noam Chomsky). Actually, I clicked on the link that sent me to this woman's web page and then saw that she did her thesis at MIT with Noam... quod erat demonstrandum...

Noam is actually one of the biggest hypocrites in the world - this is a guy who could teach anywhere he wants, yet, he does not have the spine to quit MIT, which gets a substantial part of its funding from the US Dept. of Defense... sure, it's nice and cozy in Cambridge, Noam - and the people getting bombed in places such as Haifa are not YOUR children... what a pathetic loser... and what a waste of intellect... too bad, really.

But getting back to the topic, UCC should do something about this site and make these radicals tone down their inflammatory rhetoric... so WRITE!

so does their site have a little Deutschland Über Alles midi playing in the background?

#116 robert b

did they not have a whole odd new age tuetonic myth thing they adhered to, something like a twisted Norse religion?

They are good enough to list the late Adolf Ochs as an anti-Zionist Jew. True enough - he published one of the most anti-Israel rags in the world - the New York Times.

They poison wells And bake blood in their pa-a-stries

What a slander! Matzot are not "pastries", they are a bit like your "Saltines" without the soda.

The best recipe for the flakiest and tastiest matzot can be found in the "Protocols Cookbook" (PeacePublishing--Damascus & Cairo). Just remember not to use Irish blood--the alcohol content makes the matzas limp and useless.

Shalom!

#120 spidly -
Yes, it was borrowed mish mash from every myth they could drag up and foist on the idiots. You wold have to be desperate to believe all the crap they came up with. The idea was something like " this is our nordic pure religion, all else was brought here to control us by the Jews who came with the Romans. They brought Christianity with them as a means of stealing our heritage and to control us- Christianity is really Judaism for the what the Jews consider to be an underclass..."

Yada yada yada, ad infinitum- it hurts the brain to read that stuff after awhile- kinda like reading gordon's clap trap.

The gist was that Jews had conspired since the beggining of time to control the world, that they had used christianity to conquer rome from within and then onto europe. Christianity had sapped the strength of the "nordic race" and needed to be obliterated in order to restore that strength.

So, had he been able to consolidate his gains, he would have moved on to Christians after he was done killing off the Jews.

#116 Robert Brandtjen

the NAZIS were not Christians

That statement would have surprised a lot of Nazis.

Better to say: the Nazis were mostly misguided Christians with some pagans thrown in.

The Nazis were a political idealogy, and a fucked up one. Their beliefs and supporters crossed religious lines and included Catholics, Protestants, Eastern Orthodox, Pagans, Atheists, and even Muslims. You didn't have to be a certain religion to adhere to Nazism, as long as you believed in the superiority of the "Aryan" race, that Jews were the greatest threat to humanity, and acknowledged the Nazi party as the supreme authority. The Nazi allies and sympathizers included numerous non-white groups like the Japanese and Arabs as well.

#117 Lewis 10/8/2003 10:27PM PST

What the?
Alright, doppelganger, this blog ain't big enough fer the both of us!

I guess I'd qualify as a Zionist Irish American Israeli Jew. My only question is what do I have to do to get on their list.

Apropos of nothing, but sorta apropos of Jews and Ireland, can anyone confirm the Yogi Berra line that when told a Jew had been elected mayor of a town in Ireland, Yogi said "Only in America"?

Just curious. It certainly has the Yogi feel to it.

I have relatives who live in Belfast. They told me that Israeli flags are appearing on the walls alongside the Union Jack in the Protestant areas, and the IRA-controlled areas have Palestinian flags.

Also, the IRA and the PLO go a long way back - mutual training and assistance has been happening for decades.

I know a lot of Irish people, my husband is Irish - I dont believe I have ever heard one of them say anything disparaging about Jews.

I doubt that ordinary Irish people feel this way.

Fay - the people of New zealand are mostly a maori scottish mix. Thanks to the terrorist english empire that threw the Scots out in the clearances

The Irish have been among the world's biggest colonisers - just like the Arabs.

The Palestinians have their homeland - it's called PARIS. I think the paddies would change their tune quickly enough if they were inundated with illegal Arab immigrants, and mosques started springing up like mushrooms all over Dublin.

...and California just voted in an SS man as Governor. Only in America?

#107
"Now you know why I post here under my real name- because I felt for awhile now, the time was coming for all good men to stand up for what they believe in and be counted- you cannot be counted when you are a byte with a fictitious name."

Right you are, Robert, so no more jacking around as "Shiplord Kirel" for me. It's a bit silly for a 50 year old man anyway.
I am not Jewish but these authoritarian bigots can add my name to any yellow-star roundup list they care to back up.
They have the works of Comrade Trotsky, I have the works of Comrade Kalashnikov (with Comrade Browning as a backup).

I'm emailing and faxing professors at this college to encourage them to stop this disgusting racist site being hosted at their university.

You can find them at [Link: www.ucc.ie...]

I will inform these people that their university is engaged in Nazi style race hate and that if they have any sense of decency, they will have Palestine: Information with Provenance stopped.

This can only go on without our opposition.

Perhaps other LGF members could join me in informing staff at this college and encouraging them to take action.

Actually the website disproves its own premise, because the Jews don't have a pro-Israel slant. Taken as a whole, they represent every single attitude out there, from Kahanists to Chomskyites, and then some.

I searched the database for 'Charles Johnson' and found nothing. SHould we nominate him for 'Honorary Jew', folks?

Here's a list of some academics, when I have time I'll get the rest
Palestine: Information with Provenance

a.allen@ucc.ie
k.murphy@ucc.ie
jboc@ucc.ie
tbutler@afis.ucc.ie
f.carton@ucc.ie
jdoran@ucc.ie
jfeller@afis.ucc.ie
gaye.kiely@ucc.ie
l.steidler@ucc.ie
kmcd@ucc.ie
a.sullivan@ucc.ie
c.mccallum@ucc.ie
K.Sidwell@ucc.ie
d.woods@ucc.ie
j.horgan@ucc.ie
jzk@ucc.ie
p.burgess@ucc.ie
p.chiwangu@ucc.ie
b.cotton@ucc.ie
j.finnerty@ucc.ie
s.garner@ucc.ie
m.leane@ucc.ie
n.lordan@ucc.ie
r.meade@ucc.ie
marmurphy@ucc.ie
c.oconnell@ucc.ie
sapouna@ucc.ie
m.wilson@ucc.ie
aquaculture@ucc.ie
Rcleary@archaeology.ucc.ie
smilliken@archaeology.ucc.ie
p.woodman@ucc.ie
bodonnabhain@archaeology.ucc.ie
c.ruxton@ucc.ie
t.tyner@ucc.ie

j.heffron@ucc.ie

t.cotter@ucc.ie
j.heffron@ucc.ie
d.higgins@ucc.ie
m.mccaffrey@ucc.ie
t.moore@ucc.ie
r.oconnor@ucc.ie
dbp@ucc.ie
w.reville@ucc.ie
d.sheehan@ucc.ie
Aa.barlow@ucc.ie
m.kenneally@ucc.ie
r.moloney@ucc.ie
w.sjostrom@ucc.ie
m.ofathaigh@ucc.ie
desplanq@cs.ucc.ie
s.cadhla@ucc.ie
dog@ucc.ie
f.lalor@ucc.ie
a.maguire@ucc.ie
mickmorris@ucc.ie
h.moynihan@ucc.ie
a.ruth@ucc.ie
j.wenger@ucc.ie
v.cummins@ucc.ie
pflynn@ucc.ie
d.grigoras@ucc.ie
s.omahony@ucc.ie
sbean@ucc.ie
e.freuder@4c.ucc.ie
J.Morrison@cs.ucc.ie
d-murphy@cs.ucc.ie
b.osullivan@cs.ucc.ie
m.schellekens@cs.ucc.ie
sorensen@cs.ucc.ie
cjs@cs.ucc.ie
dongen@cs.ucc.ie

up to Cork

Nice set of anti-Irish slander on show in this thread. Lets see... dumb, alcoholic, backwards, anti-semitic. Yep, looks like the full set of cliches. Well done.

As some have repeatedly pointed out, this is the site of the Cork Palestine Solidarity Campaign. Not the university, not the Irish people, not anyone other than a single campaigning organisation. The database is clearly NOT a 'list of jews', but amongst other categories, contains a list of jewish authors, both zionist and anti-zionist. This might be a particularly pointless category (given that it acknowledges attitudes on both sides of the Palestine debate), but it's a long way from nazi yellow stars.

There is less evidence of anti-semitism in Ireland than in many other european countries (the only european countries I've personally seen genuinely concerning instances of anti-semitism were France and Austria, and even then I'd be wary of making national assumptions - I've encountered racism in the UK, but my general experience of that country is that it's NOT a particularly racist one. Ireland only has a small jewish community, and the popular minority whipping boy for the intolerant in our society is more likely to be indigenous Irish Travellers, or African/Eastern-European asylum seekers/immigrants. Irish people are generally sympathetic to the cause of Palestinian statehood (as they were to the cause of Israeli statehood) for all the obvious (national self determination) reasons. Most people probably don't have any strong feelings on the subject one way or another however.

#89   no daft

historical fact my arse.

de Valera never met Hitler, and ironically de Valera turned down Churchill's offer of Northern Ireland in return for the use of Irish seaports for the Royal Navy.
The Jewish population in the Irish state remained pretty much constant during the years of WWII, and increased following the end of the war. The only Irish Jew to have perished in the holocaust was a woman trapped in France following the outbreak of the war.

And for what its worth... the 'celtic tiger' economy was more to do with preferential corporation tax deals and access to lower salary overheads than other european countries. Our infrastructure grants from the EU had little to do with it (and our infrastructure still sucks).
Rising salary costs, global recession, and the emergence of lower cost markets in the new eastern european EU states have meant the end of the Irish 'tiger'.

#138 VFI:

de Valera never met Hitler, and ironically de Valera turned down Churchill's offer of Northern Ireland in return for the use of Irish seaports for the Royal Navy.

First of all, I apologize to you for my earlier anti-Irish slander a while back. Hateful stereotypes are wrong under any circumstances. Please accept my apology.

Now on to the business at hand...

Why would de Velera turn down a request for the use of Irish seaports by the Royal Navy--offer of N. Ireland or no--if it was for the purpose of fighting the Nazis?

Again, racism is not justified. But your post, IMHO, raises as many questions as it answers.

Your thoughts?

#139   someguy

Ireland was neutral. Allowing the use of Irish seaports for the Royal Navy would have undermined that neutrality. As I've mentioned before, Ireland's policy in relation to Germany was the same as the USA's; neutral until attacked. As it transpired Ireland was not attacked (although both Germany and Britain had plans drawn up for invasion) since it served no-ones interest to militarily occupy the Island during the war. deValera rufused the offer of arms from Germany, and interned anyone suspected of working with german spies (at least some of the IRA).

It has to be said that the Irish did secretly co-operate with allied forces in terms of merchant marine ships passing on information about u-boat locations (Irish ships were sunk by u-boats too), and by the release of downed pilots etc back to the UK. Thousands of Irishmen fought against nazism within the allied forces (just as they had fought Franco in Spain).

Ireland was realistically not in any position to side with Britain at the time. It had been through a war with the British forces, a protracted civil war caused by differences of opinion in relation to a political proposal created bythe British, and a subsequent trade war between the British and Irish states. There was just no popular mandate to ally with Britain.

"Peace is dependent upon the will of great states [...] All the small states can do [...] is resolutely to determine that they will not become tools of any great power and that they will resist [...] every attempt to force them into a war against their will."
de Valera 1936 speech to League of Nations

#138

No see what all your anti-Catholic and anti-Irish slander has done?

You've forced VFI to post something I actually agree with. ( I didn't even feel right calling her VFLIDE )

I said it early in the thread, and Rizzo repeated it a dozen times, it was a student group, and this would be like looking at Berkeley and concluding all Americans are Marxists.

But that would get in the way of bashing the one religion and ethnicity that is PC to bash.

PS
Bring back Shiplord Kirel!!!!

Ireland
Isn't that the place that still has problems between fighting mad Jesus freaks? Forget about anti jewish. They kill each other about whether they neal in church or not.

This is a university???? LOL
It's probably a front organization for the PLO. Someone should check this palinazi bagholder for Saudi payola.

This timewarp blacklist is a truly amazing piece of poor research - wot? no Kissinger, Krauthammer or Pipes?

Hey, what about me? I'm an American Jew, too. There's around 6 million of us. Soon we'll all be on that list. That sounds just about right for Holocaust II.

Sick, sick, sick. I wouldn't be surprised if the Palithugs were taking copious notes.

M,kay, Papertiger and friends.

Abe Greenhouse and Adam Shapiro are Jews. They hate Israel, and love Yasser Arafat and support suicide bombing.

Therefore all Jews are antisemitic terrorist sympathizers.

BTW, the only reason religion was involved was that the British that invaded Ireland were a different religion than the people they invaded. "Jesus Freaks" had nothing to do with it.

I saw an interesting tidbit a year or two back, more people are murdered in Washington, DC in a year than had died the previous five years in all of Northern Ireland, so it isn't like the IRA and UDA are having raging gunbattles in the street, anyway.

Almost OT: I listened to a few minutes of NPR's 'Morning Sedition' long enough to hear a reporter opine that Israelis and Palestinians have both become equally 'extremist.' Her proof: Opinion polls showing that 75% of Israelis support targeted killings (the assassination of terrorist leaders) while 75% of Palestinians support suicide bombers (the mass murder of civilians, women, children, and the elderly.)

As Chief Wiggum might have said, "That's some nice moral equivocating."

142

Neal is a name.

Kneel is what us Catholic Jesus Freaks do in church.

Thanks

Since someone brought up the topic, Andrew Sullivan has a money quote from renowned irish terrorist Gerry Adams.

"The September 11 attacks were probably closer to Dresden or Hiroshima in that a lot of planning and resources were put into deliberately killing civilians in large numbers. The IRA's killing of civilians is equally wrong, but the IRA would argue that it did so by accident. That is no succour to the victims' families, but the IRA was one of the few guerrilla organisations that gave warnings." - Gerry Adams, IRA front-man, interviewed in the anti-war newspaper, the Independent. I love the idea of terrorists killing civilians "by accident;" and the equation of America in 2001 with Nazi Germany or Fascist Japan in the last world war. And then there's this answer to the wonderfully blunt question: "Was the IRA right to try to blow up Mrs Thatcher?" Adams' answer begins, "Well, you have to see it in the context of the time ..." Every now and again, the mask slips and you realize that many people out there are not just anti-American. They are actually pro-terror.

Let me say something great about the Irish: They saved my family during the Holocaust. My maternal granparents lived in Berlin. In April, 1933, immediately after the Nazi government's general strike against the Jews, they left Germany. No other European country was taking Jewish refugees from Hitler, but somehow my grandparents and infant uncle wound up in Ireland. They settled there as illegal aliens. My mother was born in Gallway in 1936 and was considered an Irish citizen. Later the family moved to Dublin. Throughout the years before and during the war the Irish government maintained a policy of not giving immigrant visas to Jewish refugees from Nazism, but also steadfastly refused to deport German Jews to Nazi Germany. My grandparents stayed in that undocumented status for twenty years, before immigrating to the US and settling in Boston (with the rest of the Irish) in 1953.

My grandfather, a civil engineer trained at the University in Koenigsberg, could not get an Irish work permit since he was an illegal alien, but in a typical Irish compromise (common sense and humanity winning out over strict application of the rules), the Labour Ministry informed him that if he were self employed they wouldn't prosecute him. So, my grandfather hung out a shingle and survived as a self-employed engineer. That compromise was worked out with the help of the MP for my grandparents' district, the late Bobby Briscoe (who's son is now in Parliament, I believe). My grandparents couldn't vote, since they were illegals, but the member of Parliament for their constituency still found the time to help them out.

The Irish Jewish community was very small and close-knit. Even today when I meet Irish Jews of that generation they often tell me they knew my grandparents.

Last year my wife was in Ireland, where she found almost complete sympathy for Israel and "your troubles", along with much unsolicited advice of a non-pacifistic nature about "giving it" to the Palestinians. This was in contrast to the cold stares she got in England where she spent a few days before returning to Israel.

I stand with Yeats: "Still the indomitable Irishry!"

On the topic of Catholics and 'Jesus Freaks,' my brother-in-law was once approached by a street proselytizer. The preacher asked him if he was religious. He responded that he was a practicing Catholic. The preacher then asked him if he believed Jesus was coming back.

My brother-in-law turned to his wife (my sister, a protestant like me) who was a few steps away and said, "Um... honey... do we believe Jesus is coming back?"

My sister looked at him and said... "Yes... duh!"

And he turned back to the preacher and said, "Um, I guess we do."

I don't think you should judge the Irish people on the basis of one website. In the main the Irish people are very friendly (I'm English). However there are a number of Irish people who define what they beleive by taking the opposite of the British position. Sad when you come across it. The price of British support can be a lack of Irish support.

My name is Gilbert Borman. I am a Jew. Put me on your list, I care not.

There is country called Israel; it is fifth most powerful military force on this earth. Israel is my second shield after my faith.

Put me on your list.

This list, not consisting of individuals beyond Jews, is despicable. It's defamatory against the mission of the University.

What does ones religious orientation have to do with their foreign policy views?

To VFI:

Switching topics: British blogger Norman Geras has a couple of good posts that relate to issues that we discussed previously. As an insightful outsider he puts things a bit differently than I do.

[Link: normangeras.blogspot.com...]

[Link: normangeras.blogspot.com...]

Also: if you're interested in a good article on the security fence that actually describes some of the issues involved in deciding where it should go (rather than the usual smug crap about how the fence is intentionally malicious and supposedly against international law), see [Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Gil (#151),

Do you have a brother named Eric, did you both attend Detroit Country Day School and does your family own a chain of supermrekets? Just askin'.

Sorry,
make that "supermarkets".

The list is pro-palistinian, what do you expect?
Unfortunetly for these irish freaks, America has a little problem with the whole terrorism thing your nobel assholes are into.

BTW, anti-semetic / dumbass Europeans have been side by side with Arafat since the sixties. White Euro cronnies of arafat hijacked a plane. The current prime minister of germany was a arafat tool. Hippies will get their justice too, in full. May anyone that arafat touched even 'spritually,' turn to shit.

To VFI:

Just a thought about the topic of the current thread: the whole discussion started because the wacked-out site "looks like" some sort of official reference site and not one that belongs to a student group.

After that, many people jumped to conclusions and made lots of unsubstantiated generalizations. Some of those people seem to have done so out of a predilection to believe nasty things about Europeans.

This of course creates an almost-perfect parallel between the less informed LGFers and what seems to go in the minds of people who work for media outlets like the BBC and the Guardian when it comes to things Israeli (cf. [Link: www.andrewsullivan.com...]

OT: Yesterday during a meeting of the House International Relations Commitee, Rep Wexler (D-FL), made some open statements that the bill the commitee was debating should include language that Syria accept responsibility and cease "all espinoge operations at Guantanomo Bay". Wexler's words were very strong, so much so that Rep Ros-Lehtinen proposed postponing the direct accusations and demands of Syria until a special select commitee can meet with DOD intelligence officials to brief the members on what sort of responsibility Syria has in the Gitmo breach.

In researching HR 1828 I stumbled upon some comments from the Washington Report on Middle Easter Affairs.

This relatively mild rebuke, however, caused a firestorm of domestic reaction.In addition to the predictable, pompous pronouncements of outrage from such Jewish groups as the Zionist Organization of America, Israel’s members of Congress were quick to criticize Bush and defend Sharon.
WRMEA link

McUzi: interesting.

Axiom: Interesting, and in context it appears not to be an accident of wording. They mean to imply that the pro-Israel Jewish congressman have divided loyalty.

Is that site funded by the Saudi's?

BTW, as a whole, any country that has only 4000 Jews and 3 are in the Dail (Parliament/Funkadelic) can't be that antisemitic.

#139 VFI:

(Irish ships were sunk by u-boats too), and by the release of downed pilots etc back to the UK. Thousands of Irishmen fought against nazism within the allied forces (just as they had fought Franco in Spain).

With what units of what army did Irishmen fight the Nazis, if not those of the UK?

And if Irish ships were sunk by u-boats, then why did Ireland remain neutral?

Granted, the Irish fought a bitter sturggle against the British for independence until 1916. But does this justify their/your sitting on the sidelines during a struggle for the survival of Western Civilization?

(I could be wrong, but the answer to my question might have implications for the current situation.)

Milty (#159),

"McUzi"

I said Irish, not Scottish. It's O'Uzi to you!

Don't forget people, if there wasn't an Ireland we wouldn't have "Touched by an Angel" re-runs on Pax TV

The best part of this list is that it tell us everything we need to know about the difference between Jewish Culture and Palestinian Culture.

There are Jewish Zionists and Jewish Anti-Zionists.
There are NO Palestinian Zionists.

Now, what type of political structure do they think will be created by the Palestinians?

#160 Ed Moran

It was LGF that informed me that the WRMEA was just a bunch of exiled state department failures trying to stay in the foreign policy game. I think it's detremental to reason to blatantly state that Israel has members in the US Congress. WTF is that shit?

The rise of anti-semitism in Western Europe has been disturbing, and disgusting, and embarassing. But to me, a non-Jew, this is the first such incident that is actually frightening. First, the scapegoat is identified. Then the scapegoat is punished. Isn't that the way it works? (Consider Richard Rhode's book "Masters Of Death" for a truly literate examination of the procedure). And so in Ireland the first step is now openly in process. I wait to hear some un-reconstructed IRA/Marxist to inveigh against the nefarious influence of "rootless cosmopolitans."

#161   someguy

The vast majority of Irishmen (who fought in the war) fought with the Irish regiments of the British army. Obviously this was the easiest route to fight nazism. There's a world of difference in individuals choosing to fight in the war, and a state militarily aligning itself.

The war with Britian didn't end til 1921 btw, and the subsequent civil war lasted another two years.

Irish ships were sunk, and Dublin was mistakenly bombed by german bombers, but these were not seen as intentionally aggressive acts against the State.

In relation to the 'fence sitting' comment; If there is a case to be made against Irish neutrality at the time, then there's an equal case to be made against the US and every other state that chose neutrality. Hindsight and a changed political context don't really alter the facts of the day.

(#138) view from ireland writes:

Nice set of anti-Irish slander on show in this thread. Lets see... dumb, alcoholic, backwards, anti-semitic. Yep, looks like the full set of cliches. Well done.

Is anti-Semitic really an Irish cliche?

If it is, I'm unaware of it. I mean, maybe the IRA in Belfast, but that's a little different, right?

Uzi #148 - Thanks for that nice post.

axiom #158, Ed Moran #160,

The WRMEA is a Saudi-funded outfit. Their work can be generously described as propaganda. They meant exactly what they said when they wrote "Israel's members of Congress".

A Berman #164,

There are Jewish Zionists and Jewish Anti-Zionists.

There are NO Palestinian Zionists.

There are NO living Jordyptian Zionists. (With the minor exception of those who have rejected their Jordyptian identity, e.g. evariste, who can be counted on the fingers of your hand.)

VFI,

Come on, I was expecting some kind of moral equivalency. Isn't this just as bad as Campus Watch, or something? Don't let me down here.

Tal G.,

Good luck having an honest debate with VFI. Her powers of obfuscation know no bounds.

VFI #167,

In relation to the 'fence sitting' comment; If there is a case to be made against Irish neutrality at the time, then there's an equal case to be made against the US and every other state that chose neutrality. Hindsight and a changed political context don't really alter the facts of the day.

VFI is actually right here. (We actually agree on something!) The US was just as wrong to remain neutral in WWII as Ireland was - though perhaps we were more so, since our contribution would have been more decisive.

#168 SoCalJustice

Is anti-Semitic really an Irish cliche?

You're right of course. It's not. But given that some on this site would claim the whole of europe as a nestbed of anti-semitism, I don't think I was pushing the boat out TOO far.

#124 AWH-
#125 Allah-Puncher-

Your both wrong, but what the hell- bash Chrisitans in ignorance some more.

#169 Ariel

Come on, I was expecting some kind of moral equivalency. Isn't this just as bad as Campus Watch, or something? Don't let me down here.

I don't know anything about these Cork solidarity crowd, so can't comment about their intent. They may well have an anti-semitic streak running through them, but presenting a list of pro and anti zionist jewish figures within a database of resources relating to the ME conflict, without similarly highlighting Muslim figures could be anti-semitism, bias, sloppyness or stupidity. Taken at face value they want to highlight Zionist advocates, and, given that most Zionists are Jewish, they may just want to define which stance specific Jewish commentators take on the subject. I really don't know.

I've never looked into CampusWatch, and really don't know what Pipes is accusing people of doing, so I couldn't make any comment in that regard.

Personally I don't have any problem with Zionism. Leon Uris WAS a dreadful old propagandist however; just as much on behalf of the Irish republicans in Trinity, as he was with his Israeli books. Pretty much the Jackie Collins of political propaganda.

"Their [the Freemasons] hierarchical organization and the initiation through symbolic rites, that is to say without bothering the brains but by working on the imagination through magic and the symbols of a cult - all this is the dangerous element and the element I have taken over. Don't you see that our party must be of this character?...An Order, that is what it has to be - an Order, the hierarchical Order of a secular priesthood."
- Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf

"According to [August] Kubizek [one of Hitler's few friends from the early years], Hitler spent a great deal of time studying oriental mysticism, astrology, hypnotism, Germanic mythology and other aspects of occultism. By 1909 he had made contact with Dr. Jorg Lanz von Liebenfels, a former Cistercian monk who, two years previously, had opened a temple of the 'Order of the New Templars' at the tumble-down Werfenstein Castle on the banks of the Danube.
"Von Leibenfels had assumed his aristocratic sounding name: he was born plain Adolf Lanz and came of solid bourgeois stock. His following was small but wealthy. A disciple of Guido von List [who adopted the swastika as the emblem of the neo-pagan movement in Germany in the late 19th century] he flew a swastika flag from his battlements, performed ritual magic and ran a magazine entitled Ostara, a propaganda journal of occultism and race mysticism, to which the young Hitler became an avid subscriber."
- Frank Smyth in The Occult Connection

"A prominent leader of the District Command was captain Ernst Rohm. Rohm was a professional soldier who served as liaison between the District Command and the German industrialists who were directly funding the District Command to help it fight communism. Captain Rohm and many other members of the District Command were members of a mystical organization known as the 'Thule Society' [Thulegesellschaft]. The Thule believed in the Aryan super race' and it preached the coming of a German 'Messiah' who would lead Germany to glory and a new Aryan civilization. In Spear of Destiny [by Trevor Ravenscroft] we learn from Dr. Stein that the Thule group was financed by some of the very same industrialists who supported the District Command. The Thule was also directly supported by the German High Command."
- William Bramley, The Gods of Eden

"Briefly, the creed of the Thule society inner circle is as follows: Thule was a legendary island in the far north, similar to Atlantis, supposedly the center of a lost, high-level civilization. But not all secrets of that civilization had been completely wiped out. Those that remained were being guarded by ancient, highly intelligent beings (similar to the 'Masters' of Theosophy or the White Brotherhood). The truly initiated could establish contact with these beings by means of magic-mystical rituals. The 'Masters' or 'Ancients' allegedly would be able to endow the initiated with supernatural strength and energy. With the help of these energies the goal of the initiated was to create a race of Supermen of 'Aryan' stock who would exterminate all 'inferior' races."
- Wulf Schwartzwaller, The Unknown Hitler

Uzi, I have brother named Eric, we got out of the Supermarket business years ago.

There is no hiding on Little Green Footballs

"In Berlin, Haushofer had founded the Luminous Lodge or the Vril Society. The Lodge's objective was to explore the origins of the Aryan race and to perform exercises in concentration to awaken the forces of 'Vril'. Haushofer was a student of the Russian magician and metaphysician Gregor Ivanovich Gurdyev (George Gurdjieff). Both Gurdjeiff and Haushofer maintained that they had contacts with secret Tibetan lodges that possessed the secret of the 'Superman'. The Lodge included Hitler, Aalfred Rosenberg, Himmler, Göring, and Hitler's subsequent personal physician Dr. Morell. It is also known that Aleister Crowley and Gurdjieff sought contact with Hitler. Hitler's unusual powers of suggestion become more understandable if one keeps in mind that he had access to the 'secret' psychological techniques of the esoteric lodges. Haushofer taught him the techniques of Gurdjieff which, in turn, were based on the teachings of the Sufis and the Tibetan lamas- and familiarized him with the Zen teaching of the Japanese Society of the Green Dragon."
- Wulf Schwartzwaller, The Unknown Hitler

you can e mail me at gb at borman dot net eric is e at borman dot net

VFI

You make some good points. I have to say that I agree with you.

One point of conetention, however, Europe is a hotbed of anti-semtitism.

Israeli students are being turned away for political reasons. Jewish gravesites are being desecrated throughout Europe. A columnist is asking for Jews to indentify themselves as Jews in letters-to-the-editor. Jews in France ahve been beaten in the streets.

It doesn't matter that it has been done by Arabs from North Africa, the general population is not protesting such actions by the Arab populations.

The general population of Europe has no love at all for the Jews, which is fine by me.

But to say that Europe is not infested with the 'Joo hatred disease' is rather obtuse.

VFI has been correct and reasonable multiple times today.

And 2003 isn't even a leap year.

After a lengthy quasi-mystical novitiate, SS recruits were obliged to attend "neo-pagan ceremonies of a specifically SS religion devised by Himmler himself and clearly derived from his interests in occultism and the worship of Woden."
- Francis King, Satan and the Swastika

"Himmler had abandoned his Catholic faith for spiritualism, astrology and mesmerism in his late teens. He was convinced that he was the reincarnation of Heinrich the Fowler, founder of the Saxon royal house, who died in 936. All these elements were incorporated into his SS 'religion'.
"Himmler devised new festivals to take the place of such Christian events as Christmas and Easter, he wrote out baptism and marriage ceremonies - though he believed polygamy would best serve the interests of the SS elite - and he even issued instructions on the correct manner of committing suicide.
"The center of the SS 'cult' became the castle of Wewelsburg in Westphalia, which Himmler bought as a ruin in 1934 and rebuilt over the next 11 years at a cost of 13 million marks. The central banqueting hall contained a vast round table with 13 throne-like seats to accommodate Himmler and 12 of his closest 'apostles' - making, as some occult writers have pointed out, a coven of 13. Beneath this hall was a 'Hall of the Dead', where plinths stood around a stone table. As each member of the inner circle of the SS died, his coat of arms would be burned and, together with his ashes, placed in an urn on one of these plinths for veneration."
- Richard Deacon, Spyclopaedia

"At special SS-run boys' training academies, the Yule festival was celebrated, not as the birth of Christ, but as the rising from his ashes of the 'Sun Child' at the winter solstice....What they [the rituals] involve is essentially a twentieth-century variant of the old Sol Invictus cult, to which Constantine had subscribed 1,600 years before."
"Hitler spoke of Heinrich Himmler, commander-in-chief of the SS, as 'my Ignatius Loyola'....In many respects, the SS was indeed modeled on the Jesuits, and made deliberate use of Jesuit techniques in such spheres as psychological conditioning and education. But the Jesuits themselves had derived much of their structure and organization from the still older military-religious-chivalric orders like the Knights Templar and the Teutonic Knights (Deutschritter)."
- Baigent, Leigh & Lincoln, The Messianic Legacy

#128 Ice Cold

You are correct. Yogi Berra when told that a Jew was elected Lord Mayor of Dublin did say "only in America."

#180 Ed
Perhaps that's because we are on a topic that she actually knows something about

Ed, TAAMLC;

I hate the Cubs.

VFI has been reasonable. Do you think it's the same person?

I just hope the Cubs and Red Sox lose their league championships lest I have to sit awake at night worrying about asteroids hurtling towards Earth.

AG, I have noticed that a few posters, mainly Protestants from what I can see, but with a few Jews, never miss an opportunity to slam Catholics.

Really starting to rain at the big shopping mall/office tower complex south of the I-10/I-610 intersection.

#185 Ed
Yeah, slammin' Catholics kinda turns me off, too.

Ed

It's coming down good here at Buffalo Speedway and Richmond.

I don't understand the urge to slam Catholics.

I never had any problems with Catholicism.

Hell, I almost converted on my honeymoon in Italy after walking through the Sistine Chapel (sp?) ;-)

Gil Borman (#178):

Your brother and I were classmates in kindergarten through 7th grade. I still remember your Moshe Dayan impersonation. The rest on e-mail.

(#188) Uzi:

I still remember your Moshe Dayan impersonation.

Talk to us about that. After putting on an eye-patch, what next? How does it go?

Just curious.

Andrew, are you a UD grad living near Naples?

Ed,
I wish!

In fact, Gumpel argues, the Nazis saw the Catholic Church as a mortal foe, in part because of the church’s efforts to defend Jews. To take one instance from the documentation Gumpel offered, there is a plaque set up by Roman Jews in the Museo della Resistenza thanking the pope “for the proof of human brotherhood given by the church during the years of persecution.”

(I’ve been to this museum on Rome’s Via Tasso. It’s a former Gestapo interrogation center where the jail cells appear as the Germans left them. One can still see the heartbreaking messages prisoners carved into the walls in their last moments before execution. Confirming the point about aid to Jews, one wall of the museum has a large display listing all the religious houses and other Catholic facilities in Rome that sheltered Jews during the war. It is a long, and impressive, list).

AG in Houston

One of these days if you're that close I need to meet you for lunch at Hooters or you can come over to the food court by the ice rink of the mig shopping mall/office tower complex.

BTW, IMHO opinion, Hooters has about the worst Buffalo wings I've ever tasted.

May, 1998

Washington, DC – The United States Holocaust Museum came under criticism from several prominent Jewish intellectuals, and subsequently from the league, for its unfair depiction of Christianity. Most offensive is the museum’s film, "Anti-Semitism." Beyond its failure to distinguish between anti-Judaism and Hitler’s murderous, neo-pagan anti-Semitism, the film actually places blame on Catholicism for the Nazi genocide of the Jewish people. Hitler is identified as "Austrian born and baptized a Catholic," and is quoted as saying, "The difference between the Church and me is that I am finishing the job." When asked by the league, and others, for verification of this astounding quote, the museum could offer none.

#53 RS

You are full of it. No Irish I know ever roted for Hitler. If you knew your Irish history, you'd know that the Nazi's tried to recruit the Irish to fight with them, but were UNSUCCESSFULL.

I am second gereration Irish Catholic and am very offended by the tone of many of the posts here.
My grandfather came to the US. When he landed, he immediately joined the US Army, went to boot camp and was sent to France. While serving (FIGHTING AGAINST THE GERMANS) he received the Silver Star and the Purple Heart.

So anyone who thinks all of Ireland is anti-semetic and bite my Irish ass.

Ed,

I much prefer the Food Court near the Ice Rink. The view is so nice... if you catch my drift.

AG

Pick a day, time and restaurant/place

Ireland, like every other democracy in the free world, has to bear the dead weight of idiot leftist academics. As my Irish grandmother used to say, these backwater scholars don’t know their as*es from their elbows.

Like most leftist intellectuals, these anti-Semites are probably easily frightened by a deluge of angry emails. Thanks, fiery celt (#91) for the addresses.

Sorry guys, but the anti-Christian rhetoric around here is maddening at times. I know Jews in gerneral don't believe this way and I also think it's vile attempt to split off support from Christians towards Jews.

Monday 11:30 Chilis near the Ice Rink.

Fay #35 –

You say - “Well, if there's a group of people more stupid than the Irish they've yet to be identified. All the smart ones left for greener pastures years ago. Ask any Brit who the brunt of all "dumb" jokes are, and he'll tell you it's the Irish.”

Brits have been making ‘dumb’ jokes about the Irish for hundreds of years. They made those jokes as more than a million Irish died of famine, a direct result of British colonial policies. The British have a long history of making ignorant and uninformed statements about the Irish, of treating them as subhuman, as you’re doing right now.

I hope everyone's emailing the college...

I've never looked into CampusWatch, and really don't know what Pipes is accusing people of doing, so I couldn't make any comment in that regard.

[Link: www.campus-watch.org...]

......Univ. of Chicago student: "Due in part to Campus Watch's monitoring, professors have entirely stopped launching personal attacks on students who disagree with them."

The project mainly addresses five problems:

analytical failures,

the mixing of politics with scholarship,

intolerance of alternative views,

apologetics, and the abuse of power over students.

Campus Watch fully respects the freedom of speech of those it debates while insisting on its own freedom to comment on their words and deeds.

------------

Campus watch doesnt accuse....Campus Watch exposes

AG

No joy, I have asked for Monday off as my wife is a PS teacher and they get Columbus Day off.

More self-destructive behaviour:

"Beatification of War Criminal?" read the headline over an item in Response, the newsletter of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, reporting on Pope John Paul II’s imminent beatification of Cardinal Alojzije Stepinac. The item reported that following World War II Cardinal Stepinac had been "convicted as a [Nazi] collaborator," yet "the Church hails him for his resistance against religious persecution by the post-war Communist regime." Conspicuously absent from the report was any mention that Cardinal Stepinac’s conviction took place in a Communist show trial, and that in 1985 the man who originally tried him, Jakov Blazevic, publicly admitted that the Cardinal had been framed for his refusal to break with the Roman Catholic Church. Nor did the Wiesenthal Center report the words of Louis Breier, president of the American Association of Jews at the time of Stepinac’s trial, who decried the accusation of Nazi collaboration as a "slander" of a "great man" who "was the greatest defender of the persecuted Jews."

Robert

I do understand the fear of some Jews from our Christian friends.

It stems from the fact that almost every group on face of the earth has, at one point or another, targeted the Jews.

Muslims, Christians, Pagans, et al.

Let me give you an analogy. No offense to anyone.

If you put a dog in a room with an electrified floor, where anytime the dog tries to move, he gets an electrical shock, the dog will eventually just lay down in one spot and not move a muscle. Anyone that will attempt to pry this dog from his spot is going to get a very intimidating growl from said dog.

Even the dog's master will not be able to get the dog to move unless he goes to physically pick the poor dog up.

Us Jews are the dogs in an analogous sort of way.

And we are scared shitless.

Qualifications: Jews are not dogs. Christians are not the Jews' masters. My apologies to any Jews offended by the comaprison to a dog. My apologies to the dogs who are offended for being compared to Jews. My apologies to anti-semitic dog owners for calling their dog Jewish.

Robert, I hoe this clears it up a bit. You can't win 'em all. I personally wish the Jews would stand hand-in-hand with our Christian friends.

It's all so confusing.

Fay #35: I generally hold you in high regard as a poster on this site, so I was as disappointed by your post as is mary #201. So the Brits make "dumb Irish jokes", ah, I see, well that proves it. I guess by the same logic, we can "prove" that Jews are greedy, blacks are natural-born rapists, Mexicans are lazy, and Belgians/Galicians/Nicaraguans/Portugese are also stupid (depending on whom you ask).

Not to mention my disappointment by many of the other posts in this thread that went along similar lines. (And yes, I'm Irish-American, not that this should matter.)

I think we can condemn the bigotry on display in the story that generated this thread, without lapsing into bigotry ourselves, right?

Ed

How about:
same bat time
same bat channel

on Wednesday.

(#206) AG in Houston:

Are you also AG orignally from Houston?

Or, if not, how'd you end up in America's fourth largest (and arguably the one with the worst heat index) city?

#206 AG in Houston -

Robert, I hoe this clears it up a bit. You can't win 'em all. I personally wish the Jews would stand hand-in-hand with our Christian friends.

It's all so confusing.

I know, AG, I wouldn't be here if I didn't know and understand all of that. However, when a drowning man is a offered a life preserver, he shouldn't spit on the offerer.

I do think it's highly plausable that there are those who see the strength of Christian support for Jews and in particular Israel at this moment in time as a threat to their greater aspiritions- whether they are Marxists or simply rabidly pro pali types. To break the bond would go along way toward destroying both Israel and the West.

Good Christians don't look down on Jews but rather see them as our allies in a fight to preserve Western Civilization and the belief in G-D. It will do neither religion any good should either fail or cease to exist as credible entities.

#193 Ed Moran:

BTW, IMHO opinion, Hooters has about the worst Buffalo wings I've ever tasted.

Ed, you're missing the point of Hooters entirely!

One recalls the wonderful bit in Donleavy's "Ginger Man" where the author and his buddy--both bearded at the time, in 1950s Dublin--are accosted by a group of Irish urchins , who shout "Jews! Jews!" at them.
Donleavy confounds the urchins by shouting back at them: "Irish! Irish!"
Enough said....

My nickname should be:

AG, originally from Houston, hot-blooded Israeli, born to Israeli parents, moved to Israel for 5 years and moved back to Houston, and now lives and works... in Houston

AG

Wednesday.

BTW, I just tried e-mailing you through the lizard-link and I got a message back from SBC saying permanent fatal error.

You haven't paid the bill?

Can you email me about this at home? ( Lest I forget ). Maybe put in on the Yahoo group and we could make the third Wednesday every month Lizard Lunch Wednesday.

Lame list:

Where is:

Yaphet Kotto

Sammy Davis Jr.

Lisa Bonet

Rebecca Walker

Julius Lester

[Link: www.blackandjewish.com...]

#198 mary

Like most leftist intellectuals, these anti-Semites are probably easily frightened by a deluge of angry emails. Thanks, fiery celt (#91) for the addresses.

That list of emails is not one of 'leftist intellectuals anti-Semites', but of administrative staff of the university, who have nothing to do with, and probably know nothing of the web pages mentioned. If you want to harrass someone, why not try to hem in the assumptions, and just make your case without the slander?

Robert

Agreed. 100%.

Some of the support is so overwhelmingly religious, however.

What happens if the things don't go according to plan with regards to the way things are supposed to happen, in a biblical sense?

Are the Jews then blamed for the messiah not coming back or coming for the first time (whichever floats your boat)?

This is the major fear.

(#213) AG, originally from Houston, hot-blooded Israeli, born to Israeli parents, moved to Israel for 5 years and moved back to Houston, and now lives and works... in Houston

(just this one time... then back to the old nick)

Did you go to Bellaire?

Bloggers in Ireland are picking up on this.

[Link: backseatdrivers.blogspot.com...]

[Link: www.redbrick.dcu.ie...]

www.atlanticblog.com is a blog by an economics professor at Cork

Oh, it says my email was blocked because it came from an offending IP.

AG, you banned my IP?

Who banned da IP, Who?

First thanks to VFI for coming on here and clearing a few misconceptions up. I disagree with you on just about everything else but on this stuff you've just posted I happen to agree.

Second I think all this Irish bashing and stereo typing isn't appropriate. I think if I were in VFI's place I'd write the whole lot of us off as bigots and not bother coming back.

Third, this is a student website from a student group. As far as I know you need like two students to form an official student group and the proPali thugs are very good at organising themselves on campus but it is almost always the same half dozen people (all part time graduate students with full time jobs as Palipromotors paid for by who knows what) while the majority of the students couldn't give a hoot and are too busy studying to play petty politics.

Fourth I'll bet anything the admin doesn't know and once the e-mails start flying the website will come down and fast. I suggest complaints to their equity and human rights section and human resources people. This must violate University policy.

Personally, I was once in love with an Irishman from a good upper class Irish Catholic family of considerable wealth and with the Irish equivalent of blue blood in the long and bloody history. The relationship died for many reasons with my inability to convert to Catholicism and his inability to marry outside of his religion being at the top of the list but in the experience I learned a lot about the Irish and Irish history. I came away with a strong love of the Irish people and a stronger appreciation of the wonderful things they've been able to do after a difficult and bloody history of oppression and misery. In general I like and admire the Irish and while I am appalled at this Jew list, I blame a few part time Paliban grad students of rich parents who are too cowardly to be at home strapping suicide belts on to die for Allah so they hide in Ireland making Jew lists instead. This is not Ireland.

SoCal

I went to arch-rival Sharpstown. My sister went to Bellaire, though. My wife went to Bellaire.

Ed

No one blew up da ISP.

Someone might have blowed up yo Computer, though.

207 Occasional Reader-

Sometimes it is based on reality-

Diabetes is twice as common in Mexican American and Puerto Rican adults as in non-Hispanic whites.1 The prevalence of diabetes in Cuban Americans is lower, but still higher than that of non-Hispanic whites.

# As in all populations, having risk factors for diabetes increases the chance that a Hispanic American will develop diabetes. Risk factors seem to be more common among Hispanics than non-Hispanic whites. These factors include a family history of diabetes, gestational diabetes, impaired glucose tolerance, hyperinsulinemia and insulin resistance, obesity, and physical inactivity.

What's with all the Irish-bashing going on in this thread? The Irish remain some of the friendliest and kindest people around (though I wouldn't advise strolling into an Irish pub singing "Rule Britannia"). Their history is truly tragic and yet from the ashes of famine, mass emigration and centuries of subjugation they have risen , phoenix-like, to become one of the world's most successful democracies and economies. And, of course, they gave us Yeats: "Irish poets, learn your trade. Sing whatever is well made!"

SoCalJustice

Re AG in Houston and other famous Texas Jews:

Aaron Spelling, famous Jewish person, producer and father of a bad actress who was a victim of breast enhancement surgery gone wrong was from Texas.

With out Aaron Spelling, we wouldn't have "da plane, da plane", the cultural ancestor of "da owl".

Web page devoted to bad plastic surgery-Tori Spelling link.

217 AG in Houston -

This is the major fear.

Fear noted and well taken. Please understand, though, that most Christians, while patiently awaiting the Messianic coming, as are Jews, are not waiting breathlessly for Armegeddon and or the Apocolypse. Those that are are fringe groups and not at all that large in number.

How would I feel if it turns out Jesus was just a the "bastard son of a Jewish slut"? I'll cross that bridge when I come to it, of course, but my gut feeling is that it wouldn't deter my faith in G-D the Father, it would most likely have me down on my knees begging forgiveness for my error. it would hardly make me lash out at the Jews, who had been right, then, all along.

By the same token, how would Jews react if it turns out to be the second coming, after all? I know I would be damned depressed, at first anyway. In any case, both sides of the equation believe in a forgiving G-D who will judge based upon the life (lives) lived, not on a what may or may not be a minor error in judgement.

(#222) AG in Houston:

Sorry for the interrogation/J. Geography.

I know a few Bellaire alumnae.

(#225) Ed Moran and his Lucky Charms:

Spelling's a Texan? Figures.

He built the biggest damn house Holmby Hills (just South East of Bel Air, CA) ever saw. Makes the Playboy Mansion look like a one-bedroom condo. (Ok, not really - more like a small Row House on Capitol Hill).

regarding:

#186 andrew 10/9/2003 07:25AM PST

#185 Ed
Yeah, slammin' Catholics kinda turns me off, too.

.............
Slamming Catholics turns me off also....

what disturbs me, is that discussing the historical Jewish experience under Christianity is hurtful to Christians today, and especially to the wonderful, righteous people who today support religious plurality.

we should be aware, that it was Napolean who enfranchised the Jews of France. France was the first country to do that. Only in the 19th century were Jews given the rights of citizenship in Europe.

and, only recently....

[Link: www.beliefnet.com...]

during the Second Vatican Council, the 1962-65 meeting that modernized the Church. In it, the Vatican deplored anti-Semitism in every form and repudiated the "deicide" charge that blamed Jews as a people for Christ's crucifixion. The document also affirmed that Jesus, the apostles and most of his early followers were Jews, and that God has not revoked his covenant with Jews

but....

a recent rebuttal by Cardinal Avery Dulles, a top American theologian who argued Catholics had a God-given right and duty to convert Jews as well as anyone else.

"Once we grant that there are some persons for whom it is not important to acknowledge Christ, to be baptized and to receive the sacraments, we raise questions about our own religious life," Dulles wrote in the Oct. 21 issue of America, the Jesuit magazine.

"Our Jewish brothers and sisters could question our sincerity if we were to tell them that the blessings of the New Covenant need not concern them," he added.

..so the tension remains in some places...

additionally some theologians in the Anglican Church are advocating some very gut wrenching ideas

[Link: www.christchurch-virginiawater.co.uk...]

[Link: www.christchurch-virginiawater.co.uk...]

The central theological question is this: Does possession of the land by Jewish people today, and the existence of the State of Israel, have any theological significance in terms of the fulfilment of biblical prophecy or within the purposes of God? Or, should we believe that this understanding of the Land is inconsistent with the Gospel proclaimed by, and summed up in, Jesus Christ? The question is whether we have good biblical and theological reasons for giving whole-hearted support to the Zionist vision? Or, do we find in Scripture grounds for criticising and rejecting this ideology as sub-Christian or even heretical?

who seem to believe that the existance of and Christian support of a Jewish Israel may be sub-Christian or even heretical?

On has to understand the ramifications of this theology, in view of the very real 2000 year attempts to eradicate Judiasm and Jews.

No one denies that real progress, friendship and alliance have been forged to celebrate common source of Jewish and Christian belief, and shared values and goals. But history, and recent world events, have reinforced the sense of vulnerability Jews feel.

Additionally, it is very disturbing to me, to see how mutations of historical Judenhass seems to be attacking friends of Jews/Israel as well.

#216 view from Ireland

yes, these are the administrators, and any letters that I would send them would be to politely let them know what the students (ie. lefty anti-semites) are doing on this
website.

The students who published this list are the ones who should feel the results of any letter writing campaign, and the students should suffer from the results. A lot of letters, though, would probably be more effective than a few.

The administrators are not to blame for the students' actions, the population of Cork is not to blame for this list, and Ireland as a whole is not to blame. I thought I made that clear, but sorry if I didn't.

#230 mary

Apologies. I thought you were claiming that the listed people in #91 were anti-semites.

#229 ploome -

we should be aware, that it was Napolean who enfranchised the Jews of France. France was the first country to do that. Only in the 19th century were Jews given the rights of citizenship in Europe.

You really should read a book on the Rothschild's to get a better handle on who did what- Wellington was able to fight at Waterloo because of their bank's financial support, which was also offed to Napoleon. It had the condition of Jewish citizenship attached to it- Napoleon declined out of fear of his Catholic people- England, long since detached from Rome, accepted the offer.

Also, see Frederick the Great and his reasoning behind extending rights to Jews in Berlin and the rest of Prussia.

Note also that there were plenty of Jews in America at it's founding moment- they were all enfranchised at the moment of it's founding - which most definitely predates the Napoleonic period of France.

227 Robert Brandtjen

By the same token, how would Jews react if it turns out to be the second coming, after all?

LOL

wouldn't G-d say to the JEws, "why did youall keep doing it the hard way?...you could have done it through faith?"

we are after all imperfect creations, with limited understanding...G-ds love is for all his creations

and the goal of both Jews and Christians is to live a peaceful, ethical, and moral life.

seems to me G-d would be concerned with bigger things.

Do you imagine G-d cares which way people are facing while they pray?

Does G-d care what language one uses to pray?

Does it matter if one stands, kneels or prostrates?

so much of this seems so totally irrelevant.

Robert..

Napoleon declined out of fear of his Catholic people- England, long since detached from Rome, accepted the offer.

are you saying that England enfranchised the Jews first?

I didnt know that.

(and I was writing about Europe..America is a wonderful exception)

#231 view from Ireland

No problem – the writing in my comment was sort of sloppy

#210 Robert B.

Good Christians don't look down on Jews but rather see them as our allies in a fight to preserve Western Civilization and the belief in G-D. It will do neither religion any good should either fail or cease to exist as credible entities.

Especially since the current occupant of the Holy See has called them "our elder brothers in the faith."

That said, there are a lot of my fellow-Catholics who are more comfortable in their anti-Semitism than with the declarations of the Pope.

#233 ploome:

I always like your posts. But that has to be one of the most spiritually profound statments I have ever read on LGF.

I wish you would start your own blog. (With a tip jar.) :)

You guys making 'dates' right in front of the rest of us Houston lizoids? *lol

There will be no breach between the Christians and the Jews guys, no matter what comes down the pike on ALL of us! Why? Because we're all in the same boat.

#237 quark2houstontexicanlizoid:

There will be no breach between the Christians and the Jews guys, no matter what comes down the pike on ALL of us! Why? Because we're all in the same boat.

Word.

236 someguy

thank you.......

I sincerely believe that..

#237 Quark

exactly

Occasional Reader #207,

Great post. And agreed - there has been too much Irish bashing on this thread.

I guess I've sort of given up on trying to tell people not to bash this group or that group for whatever actions we see reported by some portion of the group. It seems that some people will do so regardless. But we should still call people on it - and I'm glad you did it.

PLEASE NOTE the update above. This list of Jews is NOT a student-run site.

#239 ploome:

You're welcome, dear. Always.

#223 RB; not quite sure what your point is. Note that the paragraph you excerpt cites seven different risk factors, only two of which might arguably be tied to some quality called "laziness". And although data is spotty, the rate of diabetes in Mexico itself appears to be comparable to, and perhaps lower than, that in the United States. ([Link: www.paho.org...]

Oh, and diabetes prevalence in Europe is significantly lower than in the US. ([Link: www.idf.org...] So I guess the next time you hear a European make a "lazy American" joke, you'll just chuckle in agreement?

#240 Ariel: thanks for standing up against anti-Irish stereotypes. I'd write more, but I'm off now to have a few pints for lunch.

241- Oh Lizardoid Leader-

But what is a professor but a grad student who never left academia. Bastard probably has tenure.

By the way, the guy that runs that blog has the cutest little kitten

I don't know why, but that cat ( I lived for almost 3 years in Lafayette, LA, the longest I ever spent outside the US) reminds me of Rodrigue's Blue Dog

Thanx Charles...again.

So I wonder does that mean the university is aware of his website?

241 Charles--

It's not a student-run site, but it's also not a list of Jews. See my comment #73. It's a list of peoples and organizations who have taken a stand on the issue pf Palestine, some of which/whom are labelled as Jew, Israeli, American, Zionist, Anti-Zionist, Arab, Palestinian, etc.

That said, and lest there be any confusion, the last two sentences of my comment #73 are not meant to be taken literally. This snippet may capture Prof. Bowen's distinctly non-Lizardoid view of the Mideast conflict; he seems to be greatly troubled by the control exercised over the State of Israel by "the Satanist Rothschild dynasty," as manifested by Israel's policy of deporting Christian converts.

#233 ploome 10/9/2003 08:45AM PST

Do you imagine G-d cares which way people are facing while they pray?

Does G-d care what language one uses to pray?

Does it matter if one stands, kneels or prostrates?

so much of this seems so totally irrelevant

Bzzzzzt!!!
I'm sorry, but thank you for playing.
Your broke ass better be kneeling on a rug facing Mecca five times a day, infidel punk!

And remember, wipe with your left, spank it with your right, and I better not catch you invalidating your wudhu, young man!

#243 Occasional Reader-

Oh, and diabetes prevalence in Europe is significantly lower than in the US. ([Link: www.idf.org...] So I guess the next time you hear a European make a "lazy American" joke, you'll just chuckle in agreement?

Yep- Americans are fat and lazy- the rise of type 2 diabetes is only the tip of the ice berg- and it is largely socio-economically based.

Ben F: are you looking at the same list I am? Every person on that list has the word "Jew" following their name.

233 ploome-

I agree whole heartedly, my point exactly- the G-D of Judaeo-Christian faith is a loving and forgiving G-D.

234 Ploome-

My Father was a great admirer of the Rotshchilds and gave me a book to read many years ago on their family. Truly stunning in their intelligence and business acumen.

I will try to find some resources for you and email them to you. Their history as a family, dynasty and business concern is wonderful reading. In fact, I'm not sure there would be an Israel today without them.

Ploome-

P.S.- ever heard the old saying "G-D loves rich people, look who he gives money to"?

:-)

One of my ex-roommates is on this list.

He's listed merely as "American Jew" - even though he's pretty damn Zionist.

Very scary thought. I gotta email him to let him know.

BS"D
My only surprise after viewing the original article is that so many who have responded seem to be surprised at the level of vile, odious, and pathetically obvious Jew-hatred exemplified by the compilation, maintenance, & distribution of this list. There can be no doubt that the purpose of this roll is to further the neo-fascist, far-left, pseudo-intellectual agenda of rendering the halls of academia, and ultimately all public discourse Judenrein. Shrill screeds and wild-eyed,invective spewing , street partisans have been slowly but surely phased out of the "front-lines" of the European theatre of the Anti-Semites war against Jews. Now, one more commonly sees the hateful rhetoric being put forth by far more media savvy, upper class, seemingly genteel, salon habitues. No matter how a ttractive the mouthpiece, the evil of the message is still the same, kill the Jews. One would have hoped for better from a people who have their own experiences with being trod upon, but it seems that perhaps societal "poteen poisoning" has addled the judgement of the Irish. Many evidences of the absolute intellectual dishonesty and moral bankruptcy of the new "social elite" in Western Europe should have sounded the alarum for persons of good concscience long before now. However one wishes it were otherwise, Jew-hatred is still very much alive in Europe, and the fact that is now wears a new, fancier wardrobe is a cause for greater vigilance, with a redoubled commitment to confronting this ancient evil whereever it is found, in whatever guise. The heinous attempts at moral relativism by many of these intellectually dishonest shills is not only offensive, but in many cases deliberately inflammatory. We all have a choice, speak out, and stand up for the rights of Jews to live in their homeland in peace and security, the right of Jews to participate fully and without restriction in whatever society they find themselves, or be silent and assured that once the Jews have been "dealt with", a state of "dhimmitude" will be the eventual fate of all the westerners,; both the useful idiots, and the simply apathetic, who refused to draw the line against the recrudescent evil that now stalks our lands.

Note with link to U of Cork equity services people in the Human Resources department generated a very polite note thanking me for bringing the matter to their attention and stating they will be looking into the matter immediately.

I know many of you will disagree with this, but I personally see the roots of the new surge in anti-semitism to be a direct result of the so called "multi-cultural" movement which has, regardless of the purity of it's origins, been used by subversive anti-Western zealots to first impugn Christianity and now Judaism.

It has effectively lifted cultures which are now and have been historically diametrically opposed to the Judao-Christian world and has found mutual allies between the Marxist types and the Islamo-fascists from all corners of the world.

#255 I agree but these Islamofacists attach their cart to any movement where they get mileage and support. The LLL support them because they are "oppressed" and the white supremists support them because they are attacking Jews. The communists support them because they are against Israel's democracy. The Black fringe groups support them because they are against White establishment which happens to include a lot of Jews. And so it goes. The Palis will march with anyone who lets them fly a flag.

Oh!
In Wednesday's Wall Street Journal there is a very good front page article on Holocaust Museums and the new one in Michigan.

Well worth the read.

Israel's policy of deporting Christian converts

another lie..

converts are not deported

Israel does not recognize Messianic Jews as Jews

not entitled to citizenship under Law of Return

and may deport people who enter Israel and claim citizenship as Jews, who are not Jews

Non Jews may aquire citizenship

[Link: tellinglies.org...]

Becoming an Israeli citizen

Under Israeli law, the acquisition of nationality is one of the few areas in which the law differentiates between Jews and non-Jews. Under the Law of Return, a Jew gets Israeli citizenship automatically when immigrating to Israel.
Non-Jews can acquire Israeli nationality in one of five ways.

1. Nationality by residence in Israel
Subject to certain qualifications, this section of the law grants Israeli citizenship to former Palestinian citizens who are currently residents of Israel and have lived in Israel since its creation on May 14, 1948, or have entered Israel legally between that time and July 14, 1952, the date the Nationality Law went into effect.

2. Nationality by birth
Nationality by reason of birth is given to any person whose father or mother was an Israeli national at the time of his birth. This provision holds true regardless of where the person in question may happen to have been born.

3. Naturalization by birth on Israeli territory in addition to 5 years immediate prior residence in Israel.
This provision grants Israeli nationality to persons who are born on Israeli territory who meet these qualifications: apply for Israeli citizenship between their 18th and 21st birthdays, have 5 consecutive years of residence in Israel immediately prior to filing a request for citizenship, have no criminal convictions for violation of security regulations, and have not been sentenced to jail for 5 years or more for violation of any other type of law.

4. Naturalization
A person 18 years of age or older may acquire Israeli nationality by naturalization if he meets these criteria: (1) is currently in Israel, (2) has been in Israel for 3 of the 5 preceding years, (3) intends to settle in the country (4) has some knowledge of Hebrew (former Palestinian citizens are exempt from this provision), (5) renounces any and all foreign nationalities, and (6) takes an oath of loyalty to the State of Israel. Completion of all of the above requirements is not essential in all instances, however, as the Minister of the Interior at his discretion has the power (for a special reason) to waive requirements (1), (2),(4), and (5) above.

5. By grant from the Minister of the Interior to certain categories of minors.
The law provides, in addition, for a discretionary grant of citizenship to minors who are not Israeli nationals but who are residents of Israel.

250 Robert Brandtjen

Thanks RObert, I appreciate that

Irish people are generally sympathetic to the cause of Palestinian statehood (as they were to the cause of Israeli statehood) for all the obvious (national self determination) reasons. Most people probably don't have any strong feelings on the subject one way or another however.

Yeah, right.

Gil Borman (#151)

Beautiful post.

#260 zulubaby

do have an actual point to make?

(#261) zulubaby:

FYI, I got an answer from a friend at Reuters re: this question:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

what does the *ISRAEL OUT* *ISRAEL OUT* ISRAEL OUT* mean at the end of this caption?

It means we bought the photo from a third party who sold us international rights, but not Israeli rights. So we can't distribute the picture to Israeli media and online clients, usually because the place we got it from is an Israeli newspaper or agency.

Sounds reasonable, although being Reuters it seemed like it could have a double meaning. ;-)

VFI

here is a point

[Link: domino.un.org...]

AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF

PALESTINE,

during the period
1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins.

THE ARABS HAVE A PALESTINE STATE......IT IS CALLED JORDAN

so your position,

Irish people are generally sympathetic to the cause of Palestinian statehood (as they were to the cause of Israeli statehood) for all the obvious (national self determination) reasons. Most people probably don't have any strong feelings on the subject one way or another however.

is invalid....

What is now in operation, is DENYING JEWS SELF DETERMINATION AND A SOVERIGN STATE IN FORMER PALESTINE

view from Ireland:

do have an actual point to make?

Do you, with that baloney that you wrote? Surely you can make up something more convincing than that.

i think DreckFromIreland has been impaled on the point

it seems to be silent

#60 rizzo

"Perhaps we can discuss Mel Gibson's movie now?"

Gibson is a sideshow. The nazi - isalmoid connection is well established.

#265 zulubaby

That 'baloney' is a pretty accurate summation of the attitude of many Irish people towards the legitimacy of a Palestinian state, and corresponding sympathy towards Palestinian self-determination based on standard notions of nationhood, rather than any animosity towards Israel or Judaism.

Your point (if any)is still lost on me. Perhaps you've some reason to suppose widespread Irish anti-semitism as an alternative reading? If so you're mistaken.

#266 ploome

There's nothing new to say in response to your misguided suggestion that the occupiied territories form some legitimate part of a 'greater Israel'. Clearly there is no mandate amongst the people of these territories for Israeli governance, so a selective reading of the mandate doesn't carry any weight with me, or any sensible reading of the current situation. It's inevitable that a Palestinian state will exist alongside Israel.

Ariel #240-
"I guess I've sort of given up on trying to tell people not to bash this group or that group for whatever actions we see reported by some portion of the group. It seems that some people will do so regardless. But we should still call people on it - and I'm glad you did it. "

So I guess we can consider those who demonize all Palestinians or Muslims because of occasional atrocities by desperate terrorists bigots as well. Good to hear. But unfortunately that represents about 90% of the posters on this board.

It's inevitable that a Palestinian state will exist alongside Israel.

Don't believe everything your ISM friends tell you.

That 'baloney' is a pretty accurate summation of the attitude of many Irish people towards the legitimacy of a Palestinian state, and corresponding sympathy towards Palestinian self-determination based on standard notions of nationhood, rather than any animosity towards Israel or Judaism.

Ah, the usual twisting, lots of words needed to slither around and avoid the truth. So you're saying that the Irish people are pro-Palestinian but not anti-Semitic/Zionist/Israel, whatever name you want to give it? Is that it?

#266 ploome

"There's nothing new to say in response to your misguided suggestion that the occupiied territories form some legitimate part of a 'greater Israel'."

....................firstly, tossing away the only legitimate reference to what constituted PALESTINE, is not a legitimate way to debate. Yesha is DISPUTED in every sense of the word, and is now 'occupied' by Israeli forces due to the intransegence of the arabs, who REFUSE to negotiate a permanent peace agreement with Israel and JEws, as it is ANATHEMA TO ISLAM.

whether you like it or not.....the ONLY reason Britian was given the Mandate Palestine, was to assist the establishment of a Jewish Homeland.

" Clearly there is no mandate amongst the people of these territories for Israeli governance,"

...................there is only REVULSION among most Israelis at the mere thought of including the 'people of these territories' in any part of Israel whatsoever. What is absolutely required, is a committment from 'these people' to accept the Jewish state of Israel..negotiate final borders, and control the incitement to violence and terrorist murders they seem to breed.

"so a selective reading of the mandate doesn't carry any weight with me,"

..............you are the one doing the selective reading. The UNISPAL document I referred to, leaves NO ROOM for selective interpretation.

" or any sensible reading of the current situation."

...............the current situation is the result of a sucessful propaganda, nurtured and propagated by loathesome creatures like you, who distort and obfuscate in the name of 'doing justice to palestinians'....which really means excoriating and condemning Israel's attempts at NEGOTIATING and of course defending her people from the rabid Islamofascist Jew hatred.

It's inevitable that a Palestinian state will exist alongside Israel.

..................Jordan does exist alongside Israel.....&*% of Mandate Palestine is Jordan.

It is also inevitable that Yesha will never be part of Greater Israel....if Yesha is to be a SOVERIEGN state is another issue.....

With G-ds help, they will annihilate each other and be consumed by the hatred and death they love so well.

If that doesnt happen, Yesha will again revert to Jordan and Egypt....and then their fellow muslims can annihilate them.

whatever happens, Israel will regret the carnage I am sure......but will not participate.

Brilliant post, ploome. Wasted on dreck, but brilliant.

#249 Charles asks:

Ben F: are you looking at the same list I am? Every person on that list has the word "Jew" following their name.

OY!

I am looking at the same site as you, Charles, but not the same list!! These pages are generated by a website containing, among other things, a database with a LOUSY user interface.

Here is the home page.

Click on "Authors and Speakers" in the black band at the top. This gives you options like "list all" and "select by category." The link in your headline is to the result of a Category Query on American Jew. Unsurprisingly, you get a list of American Jews.

My comments in #73 and #246 were based on perusal of the full list.

On the one hand, the webmaster is nuts. On the other hand, there is nothing PER SE nefarious about querying a database for Jews and getting back a list of Jews.

:-)

#269 American – “occasional atrocities by desperate terrorists”???

Terrorist attacks are well-planned state-sponsored paramilitary attacks. Are these attacks occasional atrocities? Tell that to the innocent people who have been crushed into ash because some as*wipe Islamist wanted to make a political statement. Occasional atrocities. You’re kidding, right?

All Muslims are not to blame, but more than 50% of Palestinians support these attacks and want to see them continue. When they happen, they hand out candy and dance in the streets. Extremist groups like Hamas are run by people who are very fat and happy.

According to some polls approx. 90% of Saudis agree with bin laden. Saudis contribute more than 50% of Hamas funds. They call those funds charity. Not very desperate.

#201 Mary and #207 OR

Hope I'm not too late to respond (just logged on).

Mary, I don't know who you are but if I offended you I'm sorry. I was stereotyping and I don't normally do that. Not that this is any excuse, but sometimes all the anti Jewish stuff pushes me over the top.

OR, I do know who you are and I respect your opinion in stating that I was wrong. I was. I apologise.

Robert Brandtjen

I'm a Christian myself.

Yes, there were a number of prominent Nazi occultists. It should be noted, however, that Adolph Hitler himself wrote in "Mein Kampf:

"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.."

Furthermore, many Christians in Germany supported the Nazis, and many were Nazis. See for example Daniel Jonah Goldhagen's "Hitler's Willing Executioners" pp. 113-114.

Many Christian leaders have apologized for their conduct during the Holocaust. There are good reasons behind those apologies.

Let's not forget that while Christians have apologized, the pagans and occultists have not.