Number of days since the Religion of Peace has killed someone: Still holding at zero.

# 1 Geepers:

With a record like that, they'll never win the religious safety award (free one-way trips to Gitmo).

"We have sent additional personnel since yesterday. Police mobile brigades from South and North (Sulawesi) and from Jakarta, as well as military, between 4,000 and 8,000 additional troops in all," he said.

If they're not sure, you have to wonder about how successful they'll be.

...but declined to classify the attacks as a resurgence of Muslim-Christian violence.

It makes it sound like the violence goes both ways...

Anyone got links to mass muslim murdering Christians in Indonesia?

Why did he decline to "classify the attacks as a resurgence of Muslim-Christian violence"? This area isn't exactly a hotbed of Christian-on-Christian violence now is it? Hmm ... "Yusuf Kalla" wouldn't be an RoPMA™er now would he?

The Government of Indonesia is still deeply in denial about the nature of radical Islam. They keep hoping that it will just go away.

Having just returned from there, I can say that while there is little overt danger in ordinary activities, virtually all social occasions for Westerners are now private and small. No more big parties at the major hotels or at the International School (which is now surrounded by a large steel fence, has a full search of every vehicle and sports rocket shields on the windows).

Even the Little League there has to have armed guards. Almost all office complexes and major hotels have now adoped at least some additional security measures.

OT

Just heard on Fox News an interview with our friend Senator John Kyl from Arizona. He says that there will be a public hearing (subcommittee on terrorism) tomorrow regarding the infiltration of radicals into our military.

He took the opportunity to also slam the Dems for their belief that we should go to the UN before doing anything to defend ourselves and the world. He also flamed CAIR for their duplicitous evil as well.

I love this guy.

Indonesia sent troops to help with the Christian situation? What, to make sure they were finished off?

#7 Let's Roll

Presidential material for '08?

#8, No - to make sure no one is there to record / report the further murder of non-muslims.

With 4-8 thousand troops it looks like the amatuer hour is over. Now they should really be able to run up the score and solve the problem once and for all. Or at least protect the murderers.

Or maybe a rival Presbyterian sect.

Those nutty Presbyterians....

CALVIN HU AKBAR!

Maybe Central Sulawesi needs to be liberated in much the same way that East Timor was?

Notice the clever phrasing, ""Clearly it is an act of murdering innocent civilians," he said, but declined to classify the attacks as a resurgence of Muslim-Christian violence." As if this were a battle between two aggressive parties, as opposed to the all-too-familar pattern of Muslims killing everyone else.

#7 Let's Roll.

Can't wait to see the hearings.

(For anyone who didn't know this, you can catch these hearings live at [Link: www.capitolhearings.org...]

Tuesday Oct. 14 10 a.m.
Judiciary
Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security Subcommittee

To hold hearings to examine issues relative to terrorism and the radical Islamic influence of Chaplaincy of the U.S. military and prisons. SD-226

I can hear CAIR seething from here!

This, the suicide bombings in Iraq, and the escapr of Al Qaeada & Taliban fighters from an Afghani jail. What the hell are we doing? And why is it that so many fail to see this as something about which we should all be very concerned?

I had a nightmare the other night about buildings on fire here in Chicago. I was never more relieved to wake up in my new boyfriend's arms than I was at that moment. And yet I now fear for more than just myself, so in some ways the anxiety about the threat here at home is worse than before. And I wish I could completely trust that my government (dems, repubs & all) were really committed to keeping us safe.

They were driven to it by U.S. foreign policy, and Israel.

#9 Colt

I don't know a thing about him other than his opinions on the infiltration issues, but I think I'd vote for him on that alone. He'd feel right at home here.

#15 Thom

Thanks!

Actually, it was a mass suicide attempt to discredit Muslims. People have been known to hack their own heads off if sufficiently determined.

You're bigoted and xenophobic for pointing out the obvious.

/...

#14

he said, but declined to classify the attacks as a resurgence of Muslim-Christian violence." As if this were a battle between two aggressive parties, as opposed to the all-too-familar pattern of Muslims killing everyone else.

Reuters news reports:

This latest outburst is a continuance of the "cycle of violence" in Indonesia. This tit-for-tat violence can only stop once the Christian Indonesians stop their illegal settlement activity and make concessions toward the peace process and comply with the terms of the Roadmap....

bzzt, Reuters regrets confusing our reporting template on Indonesia with that of Israel. It was an honest mistake, after all they both have an I, S,A and E in their names and there are members of the ROP involved, honestly, any news agency could have made the same mistake.

/Reuters news reporting mode off

[SARCASM SUBJECT="moonbat" CLASS="antisemitic" DEGREE="insane"]It's all Queen Esther's fault for thwarting Haman.[/SARCASM]

An obvious case of the "Mennonite Mennace!"

My girlfriend might have to go to Maylasia soon on business. Is the situation there as bad as Indonesia? I'm dead set against it!

#13 Titus

You beat me to it. When Indonesia sent "help" to Timor it was a case of pile-on that led to more Christian deaths.

#19 Let's Roll

Hmm. I'll have a look around.

OT:

RoP-

Its followers lust to murder. It is a death cult, plain and

simple. We are not in a War on Terrorism, let us state

the truth--it is a War on RoP.

The sooner our politicians admit this, the better.

RE John Kyl

I also support reform of the United Nations as a condition of continuing U.S. contributions. The United States must resist any assertion of U.N. authority that would undermine our security, sovereignty, or national interests.

And

Another provision, the Kyl-Schumer "Moussaoui fix," would amend federal law to make it easier for US intelligence agencies to monitor suspected "lone wolf" terrorists. Current federal law, which dates from the 1970s, requires that the person under surveillance be an "agent" of a government or known terrorist group. This requirement dates from an era when the typical surveillance target was a Soviet spy, or a member of one of the hierarchical, military style groups from the 1970s, such as West Germany's Baader Meinhoff gang. Current law leaves no way to monitor a lone wolf - someone who has no links to any group, or whose links are obscure (such as suspected 20th September 11 hijacker Zacarias Moussaoui). The Kyl-Schumer bill would facilitate FBI efforts to get a warrant for terrorists like Moussaoui.

And

Roughly two dozen countries now have or are developing ballistic missiles, including North Korea, Iran, and Iraq. These countries have ballistic missiles capable of striking our allies and US forces abroad, and are developing longer-range capabilities. The United States has no defense against an accidental or deliberate missile launch; we therefore remain vulnerable to blackmail intended to freeze us into inaction by the very threat of missile attack.

Sounds good. But it's from his site, so...

OT but related - Does anyone know how Model4's jihad death count is comming along?

#30 Smit

Have a look: [Link: www.geocities.com...]

25 kufr 10/13/2003 10:03AM PST

My girlfriend might have to go to Maylasia soon on business. Is the situation there as bad as Indonesia? I'm dead set against it!

Answer --no, it isn't as bad in Malaysia --
If she is going on business --she should be just fine.

OT - (and looking for linkage) Berkeley, Pasadena, Santa Cruz & Oakland are renaming 'Columbus Day' (today, a semi-holiday in the USA) - get this - 'Indigenous People's Day'.
Heard on Foxnews. Ridiculous.

Notice the "2000 have been killed in Muslim-Christian violence" line, I wonder how many Christians have been killed compared to muslims. Yeah, and indonesia is supposed to be a moderate muslim country. JI is an evil group, truly evil.

OT: ISM loony conference was a grand success. Nobody showed up.

Thanks Colt, got it bookmarked now.

If all the infidels would just co-operate and convert, we wouldn't be having any of these problems.

Oh, I forgot, one RoP sect hates another RoP sect just as much as they hate us.

Never mind.

This site is an anti-bush parody site, but I like this shirt:

[Link: www.cafeshops.com...]

VP Hamzah Haz -Fundamentalist Muslim --potential presidential candidate 2004 --has said even more outrageous comments (in the past) than Malaysia PM.
He was the one who denied there were "terrorists" in Indonesia, is a friend of Bashir --JI Iman in jail and didn't think those arrested for the Bali bombing were the perpetrators. He has since backpedaled on the later.

He refers to the Muslim terrorists as "certain people" and this is why Indonesia has a HUGE problem.

[Link: www.thejakartapost.com...]

Sunday's indiscriminate murders of Christian villagers in Poso regency, Central Sulawesi province, which claimed at least 9 lives and left over a dozen others injured, indicates that a "certain group" of people wants to create instability in Indonesia, Vice President Hamzah Haz ascertained on Monday.

Asked who might be responsible for the attack, the vice president said, "We should let the police make investigations."

The Palestinian National Charter: Resolutions of the Palestine National Council July 1-17, 1968

Article 9:
Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. This it is the overall strategy, not merely a tactical phase. The Palestinian Arab people assert their absolute determination and firm resolution to continue their armed struggle and to work for an armed popular revolution for the liberation of their country and their return to it . They also assert their right to normal life in Palestine and to exercise their right to self-determination and sovereignty over it.

Article 10:
Commando action constitutes the nucleus of the Palestinian popular liberation war. This requires its escalation, comprehensiveness, and the mobilization of all the Palestinian popular and educational efforts and their organization and involvement in the armed Palestinian revolution. It also requires the achieving of unity for the national (watani) struggle among the different groupings of the Palestinian people, and between the Palestinian people and the Arab masses, so as to secure the continuation of the revolution, its escalation, and victory.

Despite Oslo, this charter has not been legally amended and the PA's goal is still the destruction of Israel.

SFA Politics&Religion

#34 Joshua (Texas) 10/13/2003 10:34AM PST

Notice the "2000 have been killed in Muslim-Christian violence" line

When you blow something like this out of proportion it gives your opponents ammo to marginalize your arguments about bigger issues. Dont sweat the small stuff, there are enough real outrages you could bring to light.

#33 rayra: Of course they renamed Columbus Day! It's the third-holiest day in the LLL religion!

OT.

Is Europe swinging to the right?

Germany Wants Change

Indonesia serves as an excellent example of why Palestine will never be satisfied having their own state alongside of Israel.

Out of almost 235,000,000 pop. almost 90 percent are Muslim in Indonesia with the Christians being a mere 8 percent mostly limited to a few areas and that is STILL too many as far as the fundamentalists go.

Full article at: [Link: www.christianitytoday.com...]
A strange thing happened in Indonesia last fall: The armed Islamic extremists who terrorized churches on the Maluku and Sulawesi islands for nearly three years suddenly left. Their stated reason for leaving:

They had completed their mission of ridding the areas of Christians. Maluku was once 40.5 percent Christian; Sulawesi, 16.4 percent.

#32
Nancy 10/13/2003 10:29AM PST

Thanks for the peace of mind.

JI member shot in Philippines

Money quote that caught my eye:

The Australian Government has greeted the death of a senior Jemaah Islamiah terrorist in the Philippines with unrestrained delight.

A bunch of Aussies celebrating is usually a sight to see, so that musta been one hell of a party :-)

BTW, that's the bomber who was helped out of prison.

#41,

what, 6 million has to die before you give a fuck?

I hope I am misunderstanding you, because that sounds awfully callous.

Add these deaths to the Religion of Peace Body count.

Oops,

I meant to post,

#41,

Dont sweat the small stuff [2000 dead], there are enough real outrages you could bring to light.

what, 6 million has to die before you give a fuck?

I hope I am misunderstanding you, because that sounds awfully callous.

OT, but buh-bye, and the horse you rode in on, too, Hollings.

#50 Carl Rove.

Yeah, don't sweat it. we knew what you meant. #41 is representative of the same attitude which has swept Europe polictical scene of late. Same attitude that looked the other way on Saddam Hussain regime. And of Hilter of course.

On another topic. Hey! GWB's gotta a blog.

GWB Blog

52

Hey! Does Instapundit know?

Obviously, the minority Christians have oppressed the poor Muslims to the point of desperation, leaving them no option but Jihad. Sure, they control the entire country, but how can they possibly live in peace and happiness while infidels soil their glorious islamic nation?

How much seething can you expect a guy to do before he gets medieval?? Surely, Allah is pleased.

/sarcasm off

I am glad that LGF is one of the few websites around that shows that the R.O.P.M.A. does not only kill Jews and that the terror that the jihadis inflict is not limited to the West Bank, Gaza and Israel.

#31 Colt 10/13/2003 10:27AM PST

#30 Smit

Have a look: [Link: www.geocities......]

i posted the link on another site for a poster that always puts up info on the people killed maybe he could help also

sorry killed shoulda been murdered

preview is my friend

#55 Joel

more CHristians have been and are bing killed by muslims than Jews

#56, bigel

Martin Niemöller(1892-1984) was not German minister but a priest and officer in WW I, a supporter to Hitler but abandoned him later and get "hard life" himself...

He wrote later:

__________________________
When Hitler attacked the Jews I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the Catholics, I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists, I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned. Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church — and there was nobody left to be concerned.

#61, bigel

All of Europe forget and repeat the same misstake once again...

I think they going to regret everything - very soon...

Israel did´t forget and they will live and see Europe to go down some day...in very paintful disaster....

Heh. #41 is just trying to use the same line that worked when people were commenting on the Saudi State Department map.

Like most leftists, he does nothing but look for an argument that people seem to actually listen to, and then starts applying it everywhere, in an effort to stifle any valid discourse, without bothering to think about whether the argument is actually applicable. This betrays a fundamental belief of the left: that people are nothing but ignorant, mooing masses, who only respond to certain sets of words rather than the meaning behind them.

Then they're shocked when people who acknowledged the fact that the Saudi map was "small stuff" dig in their heels when told that they should consider the death of 10 people "small stuff" as well. "But I used the EXACT SAME WORDS! You sheeple are supposed to respond to them the EXACT SAME WAY!"

Of course, there's always an excuse the left can use to explain these propaganda failures that doesn't involve actually admitting that people are thinking for themselves. "Obviously, the mind control Bush is using on the sheeple is stronger than we thought."

#25, 32

Malaysia is very safe because the moonbat in charge is very jealous of other moonbats operating on his turf--Islamists are not welcome, despite his anti-American, anti-Israel rhetoric. However, just between us girls, I would avoid Bangsar in KL. It is a well-known expat hangout, lots of western stores and bars, lots of glass on open streetfronts. I could never lose the willies last time I was there. No known threat, just it's the most obvious target in Malaysia.

Sulawesi is complicated. In shorthand, Christians are Chinese, and Muslims are Indonesian. Historically, Chinese immigrants have been very successful at saving money and buying property, to the extent that the "native" Indonesians, who are dirt poor, are among the poorest of the dirt poor. However, Sulawesi's remote location made it an ideal base for Islamists trained in Afghanistan, and in the past several years the island has seen a huge influx of outside mujahideen coming to reclaim Sulawesi for the Califate. Both sides have blood on their hands--the Chinese Christians aren't afraid to kill, especially their "redneck" types get a few whiskeys in them--but casualties in the rich-poor/immigrant-native/Christian-Muslim/Chines e-Indonesian feud were few until the Islamists started rolling in weapons and upped the ante. One might also take note of the island's proximity to Australia--if the Indonesians can't take care of the problem themselves, they might lose another island the way they lost East Timor

2000 dead? FWIW, that's not an inflated number, although the rural Christians are definitely taking the worst of it. There is a serious lack of reporting, Indonesia's papers don't want to report it and Westerners, other than evangelicals, have no interest. I haven't seen a breakdown, but for the 2000 dead probably 1500 are Chinese--just a WAG.

I blame the Mormons.