How much of my tax dollars go these assholes now?

Either via the UN and/or direct money we send to the PLO/PA?

Just curious if anyone knows

Bah. Sounds like somebody didn't get his camel milk.

There will be no security or peace on earth unless the Palestine question is settled justly by returning Al-Aqsa Mosque to its rightful owners."

Silly, but sincere question, isn't the Aqsa Mosque next to the Dome of the Rock? I am not extremely familiar with the surrounding area. If someone could fill me in to who controls the mosque I would appreciate the effort...

There will be no security or peace on earth unless the Palestine question is settled justly by returning Al-Aqsa Mosque to its rightful owners.

I agree, return the land to its rightful owners. The Palestinians have no legitamate claims to any where in the region.

END THE OCCUPATION, GET THE PALESTINIANS OFF ISRAELI LAND.

Until the last paragraph, this is just a reworking of the themes of Arafat's 1974 UN Address, and I doubt that there is anything in there which the Two Abus™ would dispute either.

Most of that address is not the Peaceful Religion Watch so much as the Peaceful People™ Watch.

You know the Peaceful People™, don't you? They are the

"Homeless" Arabs In Rafiach Were Paid $1,000 A Month

IDF forces, including tanks and helicopters, are once again operating in Rafiach, searching for arms-smuggling tunnels. The first phase of the operation, in which three tunnels were found and destroyed, lasted from early Friday morning until Saturday night. The second phase began late last night; no deadline has been set for its termination. Intermittent exchanges of fire are being registered.

The offensive involves the army's demolition of many buildings and homes in the area, which serve as the end-points and openings for the tunnels. Approximately ten tunnels, 12-14 meters deep, are still in active use for the smuggling of arms and weapons from Egypt to PA-controlled Gaza.

The offensive has drawn much criticism from extreme left-wing elements such as Gush Shalom and Meretz MK Zahava Gal'on for the "thousands of Arabs" it has made homeless. However, Arutz-7's Haggai Huberman and HaTzofeh's Danny Shalom report that the entire affair is in fact very lucrative for the Arabs living in the area. Each family whose home serves as an end-point for a tunnel receives $1,000 a month, and homes that are destroyed are rebuilt elsewhere by the Palestinian Authority, with generous compensation thrown in for good measure.

SFA Politics&Religion

I would like to point out that the mosque is named after Sheikh Zayed, the ruler of the UAE, who probably funds ongoing expenses including the imam's salary, and who is infamous among lgfers for the hate that used to spew (and be ineptly hidden) from the Zayed Center for Coordination and Follow Up.
This looks like some conspicuous follow-up, eh?

There is no such place, person or thing as 'palestinians'

There are arabs, muslims, terrorists, egyptians and jordanians among others - but no such thing as 'palestinians' from any historical vantage point with credibility

Where exactly was ArFart born in Egypt?

Gaza was in Egypt before Egypt attacked Israel
West Bank was in Jordan (i.e. the west bank of the Jordan river) before Jordan attacked Israel - both have since given up all claims to these lands they lost in a war they started

Israel can legally, at any time, annex these lands (as they have to the Golan Heights).

No baxis no taxis

PLO are savages (terrorists) who deserve nothing less then complete and total destruction

Anything more just feeds their continued ability to maim and murder

Which it seems many want to via their continued support

You know Charles, as I sat in on a Methodist service recently, the Pastor pretty much said the same thing...

Oh yeah...he was foaming at the mouth telling us to take our swords and kill the heretics...absolutely...and man, you should have heard the Sunday School Teacher...now there was a bloodthirsty cow...

Oh it was blood curdling...the screams of vengence...

Ahhh...but then I awoke and realized I was in a Mousque...

Devonator

Denial of service attempt again, Charles?

DoS attack... shit yeah. Look at the user counter... 5100 and climbing.

I thought Charles had implemented some php to stop those.

"O Lord, protect our sons and youths and spare their blood somehow when they detonate their splodeydope belts, Oh Lord, help us to get hundreds of nuclear weapons so we don't have to get our posteriors kicked again in conventional warfare, Oh Lord, help us to move forward inexorably into the 15th century..."

Dar - is it out of wack? What the heck brought so many viewers?

Yeow! 5600+

No instalanche, and I can't see anything in the referrers that would send this much traffic over. It must be a (D?)DOS attack.

Well, I didn't say it was a successful DoS attack.

If anything, the site seems a bit more responsive than usual.

Maybe it's rolled over to the Infinite Lizardoid Globular Server Cluster...

Dar ul Harb, roflmao

#10 evariste
#11 Dar ul Harb

I'm relatively new to the blogging world, is DoS some sort of massive spam attack intended to overload a server and knock a site offline? 2 questions, 1 thread. D#mn, I'm getting neady.

Did someone in saudi arabia hack the ban?

Crap! DOS attack. Probably some LLL who doesn't have anything better to do, including growing some brain cells. Once again demonstrating the different between them and us.

Stands for denial of service, and essentially, yes.
DDoS stands for distributed etc.-the s'kiddie commandeers (via trojans) multiple machines/IP addresses and uses their combined power to attack a site and try to cause an outage.

* That should be "difference".

And it does appear to be ineffective. Too bad. $5 says its an indymedia morlock.

The best thing to do to fight this assault, IMHO, is to hit the tip jar.

Bandwidth is a terrible thing to waste.

All hail the Infinite Lizardoid Globular Server Cluster!

Sorry RIP Ford-s'kiddie means "script kiddie", which is a pejorative describing a dumb punk that wants to be a "hacker" and downloads push-button tools to carry out their minor mayhem since they don't have the technical expertise to discover and exploit security vulnerabilities on their own. Which describes about 95% of those that carry out this kind of attack, including the L-cube that's (ineptly) attacking us right now.

#22 evariste

Thank you.
I learn somethun' new every day at the LGF.

Appears that the numbers are dwindling. The Morlock hordes were unable to breach the formidable walls of our Zionist Lizardoid Fortress of Doom™. Or ZLFD for short.

Lo! The packet flood subsideth!

Here comes the virtual dove now!

4700 and falling...

As to your first question, which it appears that nobody has answered-Israel nominally controls the site, but it (foolishly) delegates control to a Palestinian muslim body called the Waqf Authority. The Waqf does its best to destroy all traces of Jewish history under its control.

And the mosque and dome are contiguous.

less than 4250...

Whoah! Soon as I posted that it went down by three more hundred!

Below 4000 now.

And here with play-by-play color commentary on tonight's DDoS attack, yours truly.

Goodnight!

All this computer lingo is making me hot... if only I understood what they heck it all means. lolol

Daaamn girl! Whass yo' numba?

evariste will explain everythang to you baby, nice and slow.

LOLOL -- ah hem... remember how old I am?

Err, no...I won't ask either, since one doesn't do that! :-)

LOL

It's pretty funny, actually, that we can chat about this in realtime as it's happening. (Bwahaha! pathetic wankers!)

You'd think we've got nothing better to do than watch the little counter up there!

3300 and falling...

#29 evariste

My savior again. That was what was confusing me about that blow-hards statement. I'm some what familiar with the Waqf, and their intentions. He who controls the written history controls the unwritten future, or something to that effect. I did not realize that Israel still held some "nominal" control.

THanks anyhow for the offer.

I didn't know that either. Damn. Seems like they are preparing for arafats dirt nap.

O.K., evariste and y'all have fun on LGF After Dark.

*Yawn* G'night...

How sad, my connection kept zipping right along the entire time, in fact if someone had not mentioned something, I would never had known. Nice try d#ckweed. I think I hear your mother calling.

Oh Dar... someone else have on the radio?

under 2900. Whatta loser. Hey stupid, next time you try this, you have a better chance of succeeding if you use multiple computers. Your little three year old clunker from Best Buy or Wal Mart running on a dsl line isn't gonna cut it!
Of course you realize that what you're doing is a crime...If Charles wanted he could get your name and address from your ISP with a simple subpoena, and sue your puny, lunatic, garage-dwelling ass. And if you take over other people's machines to enhance your puny attack it's an even worse crime, and even more people have grounds to sue your ass. This excludes, of course, the criminal action that the local cops are gonna bring.
Anyway, keep trying, it's kind of funny in a sad, pathetic way.

Yes, it looks like there was an attempted attack tonight; as soon as I noticed it I blocked the attacker's IP at the server level.

This one got stopped at the Gates, good work there Charles.

Hey Charles, I know you probably don't feel like bringing legal action over such a sorry little try but you should consider reporting the sorry chum to his ISP and get him booted for violating terms of service.

Bring it on.

Wuz it some of them famed Islamic hackers from Pakistan? lol

A traceroute at samspade.org shows a fake rDNS and a string of DNS errors.

No Teacake, what's on the radio?

Did Arafat finally croak?

*grumble*

(If you're referencing my "LGF After Dark" remark, that's an allusion to "Playboy After Dark"...)

Here's the traceroute, containing the attacker's IP:

[Link: samspade.org...]

Damn, that's too bad. At least they aren't competent to launch a real attack.
I wish I knew enough about this kind of thing to be able to tell you how to trace the real IP address anyway; it seems like there should be a way to do so.

Sorry Dar... as a female I didn't get that... coast to coast after dark ... is what I thought.. their news letter is called after dark.

Guesss I busted myself for being an "art bell" listener.

Dar ul Harb,
That's o.k. I like your reference better than the one that popped up in my cranium... the Peach Pit After Dark. D#mn little sister and her obsession with Brandon Walsh.

Well, I did used to listen to Art Bell...

(*ahem* chupacabra *cough*)

*Whew!* Peach Pit After Dark!

*gack! thhhptt!*

Pleasant ...dreams?

(Bonus to whoever ID's that reference.)

lol - oh well.

Hey nothing wrong with a lil' coast to coast am. Love wacky conspiracy theories and such.

You got that right babe... I love how Art falls all over himself about how so many of Ed Dames visions have come true... when actually, none of them have, and a million other horrible things have happened that he never saw coming. LOLOL

Actually, a oujai board told me and a friend about the world trade center disaster a year or two before the first incident. I wonder if Alan Combes remembers me calling him and his screener to warn them to get out of NY. LOL

Well, unlike my parents' rabbi, I bet that guy has never had to worry about people getting bored and dozing off during his sermons... Sheesh.

OT vis-a-vis the "Peaceful Religion Watch", but still right on when talking about idiotarian clergymen...

Here's a stupid remark by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams... from The Telegraph, via the Drudge Report:

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, yesterday urged America to recognise that terrorists can "have serious moral goals".

He said that while terrorism must always be condemned, it was wrong to assume its perpetrators were devoid of political rationality. "It is possible to use unspeakably wicked means to pursue an aim that is shared by those who would not dream of acting in the same way, an aim that is intelligible or desirable."

He said that in ignoring this, in its criticism of al-Qa'eda, America "loses the power of self-criticism and becomes trapped in a self-referential morality."

And the article goes on...

Terrorists can have serious moral goals, says Williams

I don't know about that D... some guy invented a contraption for the pray blankets to give them a shock when it senses the person has dozed off.

d, you'd be surprised...I used to hear that stuff pretty regularly in Jordan to little effect beyond crushed boredom...

Back on thread.

As reported at memri.com, an Egyptian scholar is discounting the importance of Jerusalem to Islam. "Al Aksa" or "the farthest mosque" could not refer to Jerusalem since Jerusalem was not conquered til after the death of Mo. Could not have been the destination of his night journey. Jerusalem was known to Mo as "Aelia", not Al Aksa. The Romans named Jerusalem "Aelia Capitolina" after the destruction and expulsion.

whoah, sweet info bigsmoke! Neat!

The more becomes known about Islam's claims, the more of them turn out to be complete bullshit.

IS someone slipping stupid powder into the global water supplies?

What a wack job this Williams fool is. How did he get his job?

Aren't these the fine folks squabbling over a gay bishop?

#70: That hadn't occurred to me. I guess anything can get boring after awhile...

You know what's funny? Most of the time, the bloodthirsty sounding sermons we read about on lgf, those are actually just the endings of the sermons. And throughout the sermon the imam is quoting koran and then yelling about some shit or another; towards the end when the very most bloodthirsty exhortations come, the imam is usually hoarse; often the imam's preaching style already sounds like he's crying or moping. So it's really a rather pathetic display all around.

#74 Teacake

into the global water supplies?

I read that as Globular water supplies.

A sure sign that it is time to hit the sack... Freakin' Yair.

Same thing RIP... sleep sounds like a good plan. nite

Re: Al Aksa

Sorry, that was memri.org.

Here is the latest link. Check out the originating article at footnote 1.

[Link: www.memri.org...]

OT: Muslim Tolerance at it's finest...I swear.

[Link: www.jnewswire.com...]

Just a little OT - I was just sitting here wondering what would tuck me comfortably and quietly in my bed tonight, when Lo! Shimon Speaks! ...and clears it all up for me, (and us): -

“The Palestinians are not our enemy. Not formally and not informally.”

I'm just so thrilled to hear that news!

My greatest wish is that Arafat die immediately. My second greatest wish is that Nelson Mandela and Shimon Peres would come to terms with the fact that they are both old and senile and it's time for them to just shut up.

This always makes me nervous.

Army officials indicate that in the coming days, emergency activation orders will be sent to five battalions of reservists due to the mounting number of terrorist warnings throughout Judea and Samaria, as well as the deteriorating security situation. The orders will be signed by Chief of Operations Maj.-Gen. Yisrael Ziv.

Arafat protests to UN over Israel's order to expel Palestinians from West Bank to Gaza

I particularly enjoy the following comments:

Arafat said late Tuesday that he has sent messages of protest to the United Nations and the 57-nation Islamic Conference, the world's largest Muslim group now meeting in Putrajaya, Malaysia. He said the expulsions "are part of the conspiracy," without elaborating.

That would be the grand Zionist Conspiracy, of course.

Expulsion is an especially sensitive issue for Palestinians, many of whom were made refugees as they fled or were forced out of what is now Israel during Mideast wars

is NOW Israel? How about what always was Israel? and instead of Mideast wars, how about Genocidial war waged by muslims against Israel.

And up against this genocidal hatred, US "public diplomacy" has yet another project to beg the koran-addicted freaks to love America. After ISLAMIC-GENOCIDE911, the State Department ran their "Shared Values Initiative" into the ground. The latest waste of money and time, is "Changing Minds, Winning Peace":

[Link: www.rice.edu...]

From the "Recommendations" at page 70:

"A permanent facility should be established for the study of Arab and Muslim societies and their relations with the United States and for enhancing intercultural and interfaith dialogue."

What's wrong with that? [bigoted word]s are doctrinally prohibited from accepting "interfaith." And their own "public diplomacy" campaign in America, is subversive:

[Link: www.alminbar.com...]

[Link: www.almaghrib.org...]

PUBLIC DIPLOMACY IS PACIFISM BY OTHER MEANS
WAR NOW

Unbelievable. Arafat is such a bloody coward, goes crying like a girl to the UN for every little thing. I can't believe that they don't all hate him too.

On CNN:

Explosion resulting in casualties reported in northern Gaza; Israel Radio reports blast hit part of a U.S. convoy. Details soon.

Haaretz:

Palestinians: bomb goes off underneath vehicle carrying CIA officials in Gaza, killing four Americans (Israel Radio)

Shit.

Feh. What's this?

Blast Reported Near U.S. Convoy in Gaza

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - An explosion went off Wednesday near a gas station in the Gaza Strip, Palestinian witnesses said, and Israel Radio reported that the blast came as a U.S. convoy drove nearby.

The radio report said there were injuries. The report said members of the CIA were in the convoy.

Anyone have more information about this?

What the hell is this? A US convoy?

zulubaby #84

Makes me nervous too.

What a strange time to be alive. Reasons to be both optimistic and pessimistic -- but just a little while ago I realized I'm becoming more cynical and pessimistic as the months go by. I really believe in my heart that things will get far worse before they get better -- this in spite of our obvious successes in Iraq and Afghanistan. Along similar lines, a part of me really believes Israel is doomed in a way . . . doomed to perpetual warfare, doomed to perpetual, desperate self-defense, until the end of time. I just think the world is a fundamentally evil place and will never allow Israel the grace she deserves. If even a guy like Bush can't summon the will to TRULY support Israel and allow it to do what is ABSOLUTELY necessary to ensure her survival, what will happen when a Hillary Clinton is elected?

To quote Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now: "The horror! The horror!

G-d but I hate CNN, haven't watched in months but just put it on to hear more about this explosion. Who is this putz on now (not Richard Quest, the other tool?)

What's a U.S. convoy doing in Gaza?

When American college students were murdered last year at Hebrew University, the US did nothing. When American children were murdered a bus in Jerusalem a few weeks back, the US did nothing.

If Americans have died in this bombing in Gaza, will the US do anything?

So this isn't apparently a military convoy, but some kind of diplomatic one, right?

Palesnot bombers attacked US diplomats. That means:

WAR

Even Hitler didn't do that, Arafuck!

Apparently, the were there as observers and monitors, probably part of the U.S. Diplomatic Mission in Israel. Most likely, they were checking out the conditions in Rafah/Gaza for reports to the State Department. Given the high amount of terroris activity, the CIA operatives could have been security, analysts or both.

Goldenwebb:

... a part of me really believes Israel is doomed in a way . . . doomed to perpetual warfare, doomed to perpetual, desperate self-defense, until the end of time.

Probably the most depressing thing I've read all day.

Elvis

Rowan Williams is the Druid bishop :-)

Israel Radio: large bomb detonated near passing convoy of U.S. vehicles; U.S. envoy John Wolf, CIA men said to be in convoy.

The radio said members of the CIA and John Wolf, head of a U.S. monitoring team, were in the convoy. The radio said at least one person was seriously wounded.

The blast went off about 1 mile south of the Erez crossing between Israel and Gaza, witnesses said. Wolf heads a U.S. team monitoring implementation of a U.S.-backed peace plan.

these Americans are observers I think

Probably the most depressing thing I've read all day.

I know. Hope to God I'm wrong. (Which happens to be the silver lining to this dark cloud: I'm mostly wrong about everything.)

There were conflicting reports on casualties. Israeli media said several Palestinians, apparently the assailants, were killed. There was no immediate word on U.S. casualties.

Work accident?

Witnesses at the scene said a silver Cherokee jeep used by American diplomats was completely destroyed by the blast, which left a gaping hole from what appeared to be a roadside bomb. Part of the vehicles were strewn in a 30 meter radius.

A Palestinian policeman at the scene said he had seen at least two bodies ripped apart but Israel Radio said there were four dead in all.

Shit.

Goldenwebb:. Zulubaby

doomed in a way . . . doomed to perpetual warfare, doomed to perpetual, desperate self-defense, until the end of time

thats the state of the world

and that is the state of life.

always someone who wants what you have, or wants power over others, out of resentment, plotting evil.

thats the 'law of the jungle' isnt it?

is its not violence, its competition...

no reason to get depressed, get strong.

Latest report on Euronews:

John Wolf was not part of the convoy

U.S. envoy John Wolf not in convoy bombed in Gaza Strip; U.S. Embassy sources say he is out of country (Army Radio)

no reason to get depressed, get strong.

My friend :-)

From JPOST

A large explosion went off Wednesday under one of the cars of the CIA convoy driving into Gaza.

Israel radio said members of the CIA and John Wolf, head of a team monitoring implementation of the road map, were in the convoy. Palestinians reported four dead and one wounded, all American.

The blast went off about 1 mile south of the Erez crossing between Israel and Gaza, witnesses said.

Boy, they must be pretty desperate and humiliated to attack an American convoy monitoring the stupid plan that's geared to give them their own state. This is just more evidence that they don't want their own state.

Completely OT but also completely shocking...

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, yesterday urged America to recognise that terrorists can "have serious moral goals". He said that while terrorism must always be condemned, it was wrong to assume its perpetrators were devoid of political rationality.
"It is possible to use unspeakably wicked means to pursue an aim that is shared by those who would not dream of acting in the same way, an aim that is intelligible or desirable."

What an absolute fuckwit! He obviously does not realise that he is advocating the destruction of all religions bar the religion of the genocidal moon-good; a serious moral goal in his view.

I am beyond words.

no reason to get depressed, get strong.

Damn straight. I feel better already.

IDF seizes 4 peace activists in West Bank

Palestinian sources said Wednesday that IDF troops in the West Bank city of Tul Karm arrested four peace activists overnight, one American and three Britons.

The identities of the four were not immediately known, but the sources said they were members of international peace organizations.

Yeah, right. Deport them now!

Macula (#113)

He must have been hanging out with view from Ireland.

#113 Macula

Doh! Now I feel depressed again.

10:59 IDF tanks and APCs, backed by helicopters, move into Gaza Strip to evacuate bombed U.S. vehicle (Haaretz)

There were conflicting reports about the cause of the explosion. Palestinian security officials said a suicide bomber jumped in front of the vehicle, while witnesses said a roadside bomb or land mine apparently went off under the car.

What the hell!?

Zulubaby, I think you may be right. Or at the very least they were educated at the same school.

Goldenweb, my apologies. Turn that depression into a controlled anger. I alternate between the two.

#118 zulubaby: I guess the Palestinian Authority couldn't be bothered. More evidence of who our only ally in the region is.

The radio quoted embassy sources as saying that the victims of the blast were security men hired from an external company, not U.S. government personnel.

/d/:

The Palestinians are standing around. I'm watching Fox News.

#119 zulubaby

Well, they tried to kill Powell already. It seems that the Bush admin would get a clue.

Look at this crap:

PA says US Encourages Israel to Slaughter Civilians

I like this quote:

The Israeli occupation army said the purpose of the rampage, unprecedented since the outbreak of the Intifada more than three years ago, was to destroy tunnels used for smuggling weapons to the Gaza Strip through the Egyptian borders. No tunnels, however, had been uncovered.

This is not a tunnel

(from Macula's quote)
" it was wrong to assume its perpetrators were devoid of political rationality. "

What else CAN we think, when murderous idiots commit the kind of attack that JUST happened - ignorant Pali tools - the only thing holding Israel's collective boot from your necks has been American rhetoric / restraint. Now you just attacked and killed more of us. You're Doomed.

db (#124)

It doesn't look like that's happening anytime soon. If 9/11 didn't give them a clue, nothing will.

Kragar (#125)

Seems their lies are getting increasingly outrageous. Desperation perhaps?

#123

If one of those savages even attempts to touch one of the bodies, we need to MOAB the whole Gaza strip. I dont care if its a PA cop, ambulance, whoever. Keep those animals away from U.S citizens.

I wonder if Kofi will tell the US to show restraint and not do anything to make the situation worse. If he does, the US should kick the UN out of NYC.

Zulubaby: Haaretz has a picture. Yep, they're just standing around. Thanks loads, guys.

Saeb Erekat: bombing of U.S. convoy is devastating act, will undermine effort to bring observers to region (Haaretz).

Once again, Palestinians shoot themselves in the foot, and Saeb is upset that the Palestinians will be negatively affected.

An AP reporter saw a gray wire with an on-off switch leading from the scene of the attack to a small concrete room at the side of the road.

Well...this is not a surprise. Faster, please?

d:

Once again, Palestinians shoot themselves in the foot, and Saeb is upset that the Palestinians will be negatively affected.

The most self-centered people in the world. Makes me sick really, all they can do is whine about themselves. Losers.

Zulubaby,

You are fast with the news. I read it and return to LGF, and you have already posted it!

Thanks;-)

Agence France-Presse:

At least one of the three victims was blown to pieces, the officials added.

American diplomatic sources said that US envoy John Wolf was not traveling in the convoy

The blast is the first attack of its kind in the Palestinian territories against a US target.

It came just hours after the United States vetoed a resolution at the UN Security Council, which condemned Israel's construction of a separation barrier across the West Bank.

Erekat called for the establishment of a joint
U.S.-Palestinian team to investigate the
circumstances of the attack. "We will do
everything to bring those responsible to
justice," he said.

This man has no shame.

Macula, I'm all over it, but I'm going to go to sleep soon so someone else will have to take over :-)

They're still all milling around, kids too. WTF lets their children look at this? Feh.

I imagine that all incriminating evidence will be removed from the area before American investigators have a chance to inspect the scene.

I did see a palestinian, not in uniform, picking through the debris and removing some small items. I noticed he was surgical wearing gloves.

It came just hours after the United States vetoed a resolution at the UN Security Council, which condemned Israel's construction of a separation barrier across the West Bank.

Well the justifications didn't take long, now did they?

#136

Investigations have shown the Palis are animals. To bring the responsible to justice, JDAMs will be dropped on all PA buildings.

He was wearing surgical gloves because what he was picking up looked like pieces of scalp and flesh.

Saeb Erekat just called the victims "American martyrs."

This is the part, Macula, where I take your advice and become very angry (in a controlled way).

Saeb Erekat is such a disgusting piece of human garbage. As d says, no shame.

Saeb was just on CNN saying that he "seriously doubts" Hamas or Islamic Jihad would be responsible - it has to be Israelis masquerading as Palestinians. And yet another myth is born.

#143

I say place the responsibility where it belongs, on Arafat and the PA. The rest are just tools of the PA anyway.

I should note, Saeb didn't come outright and say it was Israelis masquerading as Palestinians, he just heavily implied it. But he did mention that it was "an attack against the Palestinian people."

This is why I loathe Ha'aretz:

Palestinian Authority condemns bombing

That is their priority, to help spread the Big Lies. Does anyone know who owns Ha'aretz?

Was the monitoring group affiliated with the State Department? Will this finally wake up those morons in Foggy Bottom, or will we turn tail and run like we did in '83?

Saeb was just on CNN

And that's why I loathe CNN.

The Israelis:

IDF tanks move into Gaza Strip to evacuate bombed U.S. vehicle

The Palestinians:

PA condemns bombing; Erekat: attack will undermine Palestinian interests

Spot the difference.

zulubaby,

Haaretz About Us

And that's why I loathe CNN.

Yeah, I have a personal gripe about news organizations bringing breaking news fresh from a scene and then deciding to turn tragedy into a political forum - it feeds right into the basic goal of terrorism - to garner media attention to the cause rather than the victims of their acts.

Report the facts. You want to have a little bullshit political discussion about it later, so be it, but getting reaction from political leaders and professional spinners immediately after a tragedy is just plain wrong.

On-Off switch?

= intentional act to kill Americans

SecHumanist, thanks. One would think Ha'aretz was owned by Arabs the way they "report". And I agree with you about the media spinning -- I hardly watch the news anymore, it just aggravates me too much.

So they were trying to kill John Wolf.

To what end? What could have possibly been the motivation?

Erakat said the Americans were in Gaza at the request of the Palestinians as part of the U.S.-backed "road map" for peace in the region.

So the PA knew they were supposed to be going into Gaza, and there was an ambush waiting to kill them. Great security PA.

Macula, yes, definitely intentional.

The explosion apparently was set off by a remote-control roadside bomb, though Palestinian security officials initially said a suicide bomber jumped in front of the vehicle.

11:49 Palestinian PM Ahmed Qureia condemns bomb attack on U.S. convoy in Gaza Strip, promises probe (Reuters)

How comforting. Unbelievable that anyone actually believes this bullshit.

'Course, asking what motivates the Palestinians to do what they do is like asking what motivated that Cubs fan to reach out and deflect that foul ball last night. Only it isn't -- because the latter resulted in a lost baseball game, while the former resulted in lost human life.

BBC news

2 security guards and one junior diplomat killed

AP scum:

Palestinian witnesses, meanwhile, reported that about 1 kilometer east of the site of the explosion, Israeli tanks began moving closer.

They don't say why the Israeli tanks are moving closer. Utterly disgusting. Last line of this article by IBRAHIM BARZAK, Associated Press Writer.

'Night all. Be safe.

12:08 Three soldiers lightly injured when bomb explodes under their vehicle in central Gaza Strip (Army Radio)

It goes on ...

Remind me about this 'roadmap' thing again...

Sleep well zulubaby. Sweet dreams.

Goldenwebb (#147),

Will this finally wake up those morons in Foggy Bottom,

Apparently not:

In Washington, State Department officials declined to comment.

WTF?

And, no expression for Israel not to retaliate and damage the peace process and further the cycle of violence?

It must be too early for anyone to be in the office at State.

Interesting cause and affect. The Shiek at the Zayid mosque preaches vengeance against America, and boom, there it is.

Was this convoy route announced so far in advance that your average terrorist has time to rig a bomb without being noticed?

Or, more likely, somebody with the same PA that is providing security tipped off the bomber of the route.

At least they didn't car swarm the dead Americans.

#165

Or, more likely, somebody with the same PA that is providing security tipped off the bomber of the route.

Thats what my money is on.

And can anyone out there explain this?

Israel, Hezbollah Close to Prisoner Deal

Israel and the Lebanese guerrilla group Hezbollah are close to reaching agreement on a prisoner swap, Israel's foreign minister said Monday.

The German-brokered exchange would involve trading Israeli businessman Elhanan Tannenbaum and the bodies of three Israeli soldiers for several hundred Arab prisoners, including Palestinians.

Sure, the terrorists kidnap one of your citizens and your response is to make a deal to release hundred of prisoners because the terrorists say so.

Good plan. I'm certain that by seceding to the terrorists demands that they won't kidnap any more Israelis. You know, cuz they've been so peaceful since the last batch of hundreds of prisoners were released so that the terrorist would live up to there pledges in the road map deal.

And the good citizen to be rescued:

Meanwhile, the Tannenbaum family has been trying to suppress information surrounding his capture and alleged shady business dealings. The family appealed to the Supreme Court on Monday to try to overturn a lower court's ruling to lift a gag order on the details of his capture. A decision was expected later Monday.

Sharon said that if the rumors about Tannenbaum turned out to be true he would stand trial in Israel.

Abso_fucking_lutly un_be_leavable.

Geepers:

Is it too much to hope that the apparatchiks at the State Department will see this as a watershed moment? Nothing doth concentrate the mind like the noose, or whatever Samuel Johnson said. If the "roadmap to peace" starts getting soiled with the blood of American diplomats, maybe Powell and co. will get pissed off (like they got pissed off by de Villepin during the run-up to the Iraq war).

On the other hand, could this be Al Qaeda? We know that Qaeda operatives have been in Gaza for many months now.

All I know is that after this, Pres. Bush better be smothered in Delta Force operatives every second he's on Filipino soil -- and he better travel around in a bomb-proof Hummer.

China launches its first manned space mission

But this was far enough, with the spacecraft visible to the naked eye as it powered into orbit with 38-year-old Yang Liwei at the controls.

link

The silver lining is that these type of attacks expose the bullshit for those who are completely blind. 100$ says that by tomorrow morning some Pali official hints that it is the JOOOSS who were behind the bombing.

China's first astronaut

The convoy bombing in Gaza isn't going to make the US go to war against the Palestinians. The Germans sank a US naval ship killing hundreds of sailors long before December 7th and it didn't bring us to war.

But it will be noted and remembered by the American "street", which is a whole lot more important than the Arab "street".

#170 danmi:

100$ says that by tomorrow morning some Pali official hints that it is the JOOOSS who were behind the bombing.

See post #143...

Have you seen this antisemitism in France ?

#165 (and others, I'm sure)

The connection seems obvious, we should all send emails (I just have) to various news organizations pointing this out and linking to the sermon.

Even the folks at Fox need help seeing what is going on here.

No doubt impotent seething Jordgyptians see this as "sending a message" to the U.S. for the Security Council veto supporting Israel.

Well... message received, mofos.

Here's hoping you won't enjoy the reply.

Palestinian Terror has been directed at US diplomats> Time to identify all terrorists as one. Israel's conflict is the US's.

in other news:

U.N. war critics bow to U.S. stance

guess they decided now was the wrong time to f**k with us

Looks like the Peaceful People™, who deserve their own state, are at it again.

BBC has a picture report:

Heading 1

A powerful blast has hit a US diplomatic convoy inside the Gaza Strip - near the Erez crossing with Israel

Heading 2

Cars were overturned by the powerful explosion believed to have been a roadside bomb or landmine

Heading 3

At least three Americans were killed in the blast - it is not clear whether their convoy was deliberately targeted

Heading 4

It is believed to be the first attack on US personnel inside Palestinian-administered territories

Heading 5

The Palestinian prime minister has promised an investigation and police started collecting evidence to track down the perpetrators

Heading 6

The blast came hours after the US vetoed a Security Council resolution against Israel

Notice the neutral description of the terror attack, "A powerful blast hit", - what all by itself? There is no reference at all to possible perpetrators
but heading 6 gives a rationale as to why it happened.

In pictures: US convoy hit by blast

Haaretz:

Americans were headed to discuss the awarding of study grants to Gaza Palestinians; youths stone U.S. investigators at bomb site.

Real fucking cute.

#180

Thanks again BBC, looks like we've been blaming the wrong side in this. We've got to find and contain the powerful blasts and explosions which are apparently roaming Israel at will. The peace-loving Palistinians could'nt possibly have been involved.

Later in the day, American security officials investigating the bomb attack left the scene
abruptly after Palestinian youths threw stones
and rocks at them. The investigators were
taking pictures of the bloodied, twisted
remains of the van when half a dozen kids threw
stones and rocks at them as about 200
Palestinians looked on.

Keep it up, assholes, keep it up.

181: CBS Radio news mentioned the youths stoning US investigators.

From Haaretz: "Later in the day, American security officials
investigating the bomb attack left the scene
abruptly after Palestinian youths threw stones
and rocks at them. The investigators were
taking pictures of the bloodied, twisted
remains of the van when half a dozen kids threw
stones and rocks at them as about 200
Palestinians looked on.
"

Why do we want to give them a country again?

Why do we want to give them a country again?

Especially when they've already got two.

Krager (#178),

From your link:

The three governments made a number of new demands, including setting a specific schedule for ending the U.S. military occupation in Iraq and strengthening the Security Council's role in monitoring Iraq's political transition.

Funny that they weren't the least bit interested in setting any specific dates when Saddam was murdering his own people. Oh yeah right all the 'Oil for Palaces' kickback money made a comfy little moral salve.

And of course Kofi shows his true stripes:

He added that as long as the occupation continues, "the resistance will grow" in Iraq.

Yes of course the resistance will grow, not "democracy and freedom." Cuz the UN isn't involved.

Demented Underground is discussing the attack. I think they've got themselves a troll, or else 'morebunk' is seriously deluded.

The Palestinian would have no reason to kill US monitors who were there at their request to check out the brutality of Israel. But Israel would have a reason to do this...just like killing journalists covering Jenin and other territories under brutal Israeli occupation. This smells to high heaven. Mossad will now call in, desguised as Hamas or some other group they have designated as terrorists and claim responsibility. THIS STINKS!!!

zulubaby

Army officials indicate that in the coming days, emergency activation orders will be sent to five battalions of reservists due to the mounting number of terrorist warnings throughout Judea and Samaria, as well as the deteriorating security situation. The orders will be signed by Chief of Operations Maj.-Gen. Yisrael Ziv.

This gives me the creeps too. I wish that Israel would go on the offensive instead of waiting for the terrorists to strike. Also finish that fence pronto!

Smit (#180),

You see that all the time. A "car" was attack, or a "convoy", like the real target wasn't the people inside the cars. It's a wonder that anyone with an IQ bigger than their hat size doesn't see the absolutely blatant bias.

But the BBC doesn't need worry about accountability now do they? Since you go to jail if you don't pay their bill, whether you want them or not.

Kragar, sorry about the mis-spell, and try to use peoples names when responding, not just their post numbers.

#187

If the GZC and Mossad were actually as ruthless and powerful as the morlocks seem to believe:

1) Arafat would have been dead decades ago

2) The occupied territories would include significant portions of Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and Jordon.

3) The capitals of Iraq, Iran, and Saudi Arabia would have been radioactive craters by now.

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE, LOGIC IS FUTILE, OUR GOVERNMENT IS FUEDAL - nameless Islamobot

The fundamental flaw in the Palestinian, and indeed, the Muslim character, is the inability to take responsiblity for ANYTHING. It's always, always, someone else's fault. This trait keeps them perpetually childish, apt to act out and throw tantrums. Anyone who has ever dealt with a three-year-old in mid-meltdown, knows there is nothing you can do until the child has exhausted himself. Unfortunately for Israel, the Palestinians are vicious babies whose tantrum never seems to end.

Kragar-

Welcome, I haven't seen the nic before.

BTW, Feudal is spelled like this "Feudal"

#192 Ed

I realized after I posted, been a long night

O Allah, guide the infidel occupiers of Judea and Samaria back to their homeland in Arabia where they came from.

O Allah, cleanse Arabia of the vile hatred for life itself.

O Allah, do you like Xbox or PS2?

I still think that unless American or Israeli convoys regulalrly pass down that road, whoever blew up the convoy had advance notice from someone in the PA security detail.

Perhaps Arafat himself ordered this to show his displeasure over the US veto. Of course, he didn't do this since he has condemned the attack in the strongest possible terms, and his word is his bond.

(#191) scaramouche writes:

The fundamental flaw in the Palestinian, and indeed, the Muslim character, is the inability to take responsiblity for ANYTHING.

Well, they have some major enablers over at DU (from Smit's [#187]):

The Palestinian would have no reason to kill US monitors who were there at their request to check out the brutality of Israel. But Israel would have a reason to do this...

More murderous jihadis (redundant, I know) killing people who are trying to help them.

#191 scaramouche

Since death is the ultimate cause of Islam may can we once and for all bring it to them and nuke Mecca.

For the lurkers that wish to paint my statement as hate screed I'll nix the Nuke calls when Arabia stops persecuting non-Muslims.

"These people were here to help us," Erakat insisted, saying an attack on what he described as U.S. monitors was not in the interest of the Palestinian people. "I don't think this was a deliberate attack against the Americans."

Excuse me? Then what the hell was it? A prank?

#187: from the link you posted:

It would not surprise me if this was an IDF attack (afterall they really control inside Gaza)designed to blame it on the Palestinians. These people will go to any lengths to involve the US in their Zionism.
Just remember the Liberty and the radio device planted inside Lybia and the other black bag operations by Mossad to blame the Arabs. By Jewish Talmud law, no life is sacred except that of the Jew.

And these frothing moonbats claim to be progressives...

Absolute distusting. They should rename their site DemoKKKratic Underground.

OT -

Oh his way to Dhimmidom

Ed Moran (#195),

They tried it once on Colin Powell as he was on his way to see Arafat, and had direct evidence of the PA's complicity, and we STILL didn't do anything about it.

It boggles the mind.

I truly fail to see why we are dealing with theses scum at all.

Absolutely disgusting, that is.

#200 Smit

Is it Dhimmidom? I always thought it was Dhimmitude.

According to Drudge (who has this headlined with a flashing 'siren' & police light):

Americans ordered to leave Gaza Strip after attack on convoy

This is big. Really big.

"raging bloodthirsty “sermon” from the Zayid Bin-Sultan Al Nuhayyan mosque in Gaza,"

This sounds exactly like what I heard on the corner of 14ths street and Broadway in NYC form those pro-palestinians demonstrators. And they're in NYC, not Gaza.

according to debka ( wich allready has an articleon its website about the bombing ) the americans shot back at the pali's that were throwing rocks, and wounded several of 'm.
Their sugestion that there is a arafat-connection to the guerillia attacks in iraq seems a bit far-fetched though.

Sorry to harp on about it but the DU is getting more and more crazy. I've lurked there for about a year but I just can't believe these people are for real. It's getting scary.

There is a thread discussing the premise that President Bush's upcoming visit to the Philippines is for the purpose of allowing an assassination attempt so he can gain popularity.

You don't think that Rove is planning a sympathy assassination attempt

(#195) Ed Moran

From the AP story:

U.S. convoys travel in Gaza almost daily, and are easily identifiable and usually take the same route on the main north-south road in the strip.

That doesn't mean that the P.A. wasn't involved.

The next two paragraphs are incredibly frightening:

Several hours after the bombing, U.S. investigators arrived at the scene and photographed the mangled van. About a dozen Palestinian youths threw stones at the investigators as about 200 Palestinians looked on.

As the angry crowd chanted "Allahu Akbar" — "God is great" — the Americans rushed back into their cars, surrounded by nervous Palestinian security officers with rifles raised. Palestinian police beat some people in the crowd while pushing the spectators back, and the cars sped away under a hail of stones.

Yep. In 2005, they'll have a state.

#203 Scaramouche, you're right it's dhimmitude.

#199 tom

We know where david ostrovsky hang's out these day's then.

And the state department has "no comment"... what a bunch of idiots, condemn the palestinian terrorists and say what they are. I suspect this was Hamas, acting as proxies of Hezbollah, they love roadside IED's and hate America. But the PA had to be complicit; there are checkpoints run by the PA not 100 yards from that point, and this bomb was dug into the ground, they had to see these people working, perhaps even gave them the heads up when the convoy was on its way. Terror attacks are acts of war. The palestinian terror groups have declared war on America, as if they hadn't already.

This if f***ing ridiculous. When will the mainstream media own up to the fact that their boys, the PLO are scum and nothing but their total obliteration will bring peace to the region. Did you see how quick they were to deny this one? Never believe something to be true until it has been officially denied and denounced by Arafat. Let's go to the UN and introduce a resolution to admonish the PLO for their actions. Hmm... I wonder how that vote would go over.

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

US Citizens Ordered to Leave Gaza.

This means that any American ISM tools who remain in Gaza are breaking American law.

The Palestinians have set it up so they can have it both ways--they can perpetrate the crime and then distance themselves by condemning it. Only an evil genius could come up with something like that, and keep getting away with it. And only those who are really stupid--hello, State Department--would let them.

I guess the 80% of the Pals who support suicide bombings will be ecstatic over this attack against the U.S. GW tell me again, how much the Pals want peace?

Did anyone listen to NPR (National Palestinian Radio) this am? They did everything possible to blame the Israelis for the Palestinian attack on us Americans.

Smit (#200),

Maybe if a gang of Catholics were to attack the writers of Father Ted the BBC would cancel it and appologise to the church?

#216 Geepers - Heh, you know what would happen.

The best line I've heard today comes from Israeli cabinet minister Bennie Elon, "Consistently replacing
one Abu with another Abu simply isnt the answer - there are a lot of Abu's
in the world, but what we need is something to replace this failed Oslo
program."

And what's up with all of this Abu stuff? Don't they know who the father is or are they just a bunch of bastards & whores?

The imam says: "If Israel has the right to defend itself, then the Palestinians also have the right to defend their blood and children.

The loony tunes that pass for religious leaders in the Cult of Death is beyond comprehension. The "right to defend their children?" Just how do the Paleos do that? Strapping on bomb belts sure seems an idiotic, and fairly useless, way of "defending" the very children sent to blow themsleves up.

As Charles has previously stated, the comedy writes itself.

OT

It's not just Mullahs who are crazy. This just in folks:

A German man who taught his dog to raise its right paw in a Hitler salute is to appear in court this week in Berlin.

Dog in court over Nazi salute

The Archbishop of Canterbury came out with some really wack statements lately. He sadi that the U.S. must recognize that terrorists have, "serious moral goals". This piece of putrification is so vile, on needs a nose clip to read
it.

If I were an Anglican, I would be ashamed.

On US citizens being ordered out of Gaza, one of the Demokkkratic Undergrounders screams, "5. So that there are no witnesses to the pogrom Israel is going to unleash."

As if that Marxist asshole would know a pogrom from a pogo stick. These people are disgusting beyond words

"[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

Ed Moran, Jack of all names...

Are you there?

Are we on?

Meanwhile the Christian evangelicals continue to show their support for Israel by visiting, and Sharon shows his appreciation in a speech:

Address of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to the 24th Annual Christian Celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles, sponsored by the International Christian Embassy Jerusalem.

# 220 MysticMonist:

According to today's NYPost, the man/owner "has been charged with using symbols of unconstitutional organizations and faces three years behind bars" if convicted.

Oh, thats today.

Sure. I just started Atkins induction today, but I can get chicken or something on a bed of salad greens with an ice tea sweetened with sweet & low.

Ed

Bubbaman, of course the terrorists have real moral goals. Driving all infidels from the dar al salaam, avenging the reconquista of Spain, and punishing the US for having the nerve to base troops in Saudi Arabia and sell weapons to the Zionist entity are all real, moral goals.

About the bombing in Gaza:

According to CNN this morning, the Americans were between Jordyptian cars in a convoy. In other words, Jordyptians knew exactly where they were at all times. As Joshua (Texas) #211 notes, this happened right under the nose of a PLO checkpoint - and it happened right in the middle of a PLO convoy. How much more obvious could it be?

Just in case it wasn't totally clear, youths started to stone those trying to gather evidence from the scene. And instead of the PLO security clearing them away - which they could easily do given that they are a police state - they evacuated those gathering evidence. Could it be more clear?

Jordyptians have declared war on the US. Any takers on betting whether we just ignore this and keep right on going?

(#228) Ariel:

Any takers on betting whether we just ignore this and keep right on going?

As of right now, count me in with the "ignore this and keep right on going" crowd.

The gloves will not come off. This will only spur Powell to call for more concessions and for us to show how pro-Palestinian we are because in his mind -- then -- maybe then -- they will stop killing us.

We will not a let a few murdered Americans in Lebanon, Sudan, Yemen, Saudi Arabi, New York, Northern Virginia, Bagdad, get in the way of appeasing Arabs.

I would expect no major policy nor tactical changes in our position vis-a-vis Israel's right to defend itself, nor our inclusion of the PA as a member of the "axis of evil,"

Three of my country men were murdered today by our professed enemies, and because they like to kill Jews too, their deaths will not be avenged.

# 228 Ariel:

While I think the PLO has been at war with th US for a long time, I do agree with you that Foggy Bottom will gloss over this bump in the US Roadmap to a Palestinean state. It really is past time that the den of iniquity that is the State Dept. be cleaned of all the moral relativism that lurks within its walls. I seriously wonder who vets the employees at State, the Muslim Chaplain Association?

My boss had been pushing Atkins, and when the doctor called saying my triglycerides are over 200 and I have a bad ratio of good to bad cholesterol, I asked about Atkins and he said go for it.

I had fried up a hamburger patty with a slice of cheese, and brought a few oven broiled asparagus spears in a tupperware for lunch, but that can wait until tomorrow.

My boss gave me a box of urinalysis strips to congratulate me on starting the first day of the new and healthier me.

Of course, I'll have to give up beer at least until I am on maintenance, 50 or 60 pounds from now.

I am sorry to disappoint all the LFG babes like Zulubaby and Zaza and Mommydoc and Lucius Falvia Stormi ( or my fans of alternate orientations like Viking Kitten), who no doubt, based on my erudite commentary and analysis, pictured me as a muscular yet sensitive man, something like Pierce Brosnan, only better.

In truth, I'm kind of out of shape, and of only average appearance. But if it makes you feel better to visualize me as a Hollywood stud, who am I to say no?

Convoy attacked was taking American officials to interview Palestinian candidates for Fulbright scholarships in U.S. (Reuters)

Just brilliant.

Has anyone noticed that this attack came the less than 24 hours before the UNSC vote on the iraq document. Could Someone have thought we would not attack for fear of risking the vote?

#233 /d/

WuT? Setting up a couple Palis for "Rhodes Scholarship" society eh? Brilliant.

Please kill the CFR NOW!

EdMoran..

get the WahahamBulance, you left me out

and I am one of your most loyal fans

235 axiom

FUllbright Scholarships...

sure, bring the scum to America, the need better bomb making skills..

Ploome,

tell me, what do you think I look more like.

Antonio Banderas, the New Zealand dude from Gladiator, or Pierce Brosnan?

Hardly news. Same old, same old. The attack won't even make headlines in the U.S. My suggestion to Powel/Bush- wake up & instill some fear into the Palistinians / Arabs / Islamic fundies. This may be our 2003, but its 703 to them.

#233 /d/

Give them scholarships and rewards--heck, give them the Nobel frickin' Peace Prize--and they'll still spit on your efforts and blow you up.

more Brain Rot alert:

former Ambassador Ginsberg, opining (hallucinating) on FOX, wants to blame this Gaza roadbomb on Israel

Ginsberg wants to connect arab anger at the US veto, to this roadside bomb!

UN believable!

#232 Ed Moran

The South Beach diet is a little less restrictive...only the first 2 weeks are a little severe. But you don't have to limit your portions...all the meat and veggies you want. But no fruit for the 1st two weeks to get rid of the sugar. I've dropped @ 14 pounds in 2 weeks. Many folks in my office are disappearing, too! And I feel great...don't even miss the bread, pasta or rice. Although now I can re-introduce the whole grain stuff.

Anyway...good luck! I quit smoking last year and gained over 20 pounds...yuck! This has been the only thing taking it off. Even working out 3-4 days a week wasn't doing it. Seemed to only make my fat firmer...ha!

Ariel #228:

Just in case it wasn't totally clear, youths started to stone those trying to gather evidence from the scene. And instead of the PLO security clearing them away - which they could easily do given that they are a police state - they evacuated those gathering evidence. Could it be more clear?

According to Fox News, the PLO security also started firing into the crowd of youths to disperse them. Nice touch.

Dan

EdMoran: easy for you to use urinalysis strips

I think you are 6'2 about 240, sandy hair, blue eyes

size 38/40 waist

cuddly.

(but I know you are smart, funny and charming)

The Human race needs to amputate this cancerous growth called Islam. There are no moderates, there are no innocents. We need to start playing by their rules, conversion to anything but Islam by the sword(nuke, tank, whatever). Treat them like the British treated the Thugee in India. We didn't let cannibals keep eating people because it was their culture, so why do we let the Jihadis get away with killing because it is their culture?

#232 Ed
I pictured you as more of a Sean Connery meets Caesar Romero.

243 Dan

the PA 'security' force SHOT two stone throwing children!

:-P

where was ISM?

Roadmap Not Destroyed By Bombing, Powell Says

(Washington) -- Secretary of State Colin Powell, responding to today's roadside bomb attack in the Gaza Strip which killed three Americans said that "We regret the tragic loss of life in this incident. Fortunately, the roadmap was not completely destroyed in this bombing. We have reports that some large pieces have been located by investigators on the scene, despite the fact that the roadmap was in the lead car of the convoy at the time of the attack. Invetigators say they were able to recover these pieces despite the unhelpful stoning they recieved from the residents of Gaza." Powell was clearly emotional as he described the heroic rescue of the roadmap. "We hope that these pieces will be sufficient to tape back together, so that we can continue to use the roadmap, because without a roadmap, we would have no idea where we are going in the terroris ...the terror ...the territories."

#248 Dar ul Harb

lol

I could picture him doing that Kevin Nealon thing - "Well, it's not on this map..."

Ploome, other than my hair being brown with gray streaks, and 240 being a little less than what I weigh, you have me nailed.

Where is AG in Houston? We're meeting for lunch at the food court of the large shopping mall/office tower complex.

As to the Security Council backing off, I smell blackmail.
I'm thinking the U.S. approached the french, and germans and told them you either agree or we're going to be airing some of your dirtier laundry you're hiding.

On the bombing in Gaza, I wonder if there was a car swarm and wasn't recorded? The arab doing the picking with surgical gloves, did they get a picture of his face?
They are sick son of bitches.

What is even scarier is the lefty loonies cannot see through their own personal fog that these people are not interested in having a country BESIDE Israel, they want Israel itself with the jews dead. Not gone, but dead. We're seeing history repeat the same atrocities again folks, humans NEVER learn. Looks like there will wars and rumours of wars as long as homo sapien walks the earth.

I'll correct my typos and repost on the thread Charles just put up.

#228 Ariel

we just ignore this and keep right on going?

Yep.

Anyone claimed this terrorist attack incident yet?

My only knowledge of Cesar Romero is in white grease paint threatening Batman and Robin.

If it weren't for the fact that his new movie has some of our Jewish viewers somehwhat nervous, I was thinking Mel Gibson could play me in the movie. ( I just need to figure out something to do noteworthy enough to get a movie. But not weird, lest William Macy plays me in some weird Cohen Bros. movie with Frances McDormand, or worse yet, Oliver Stone casts that dope smoking guy to play me. If he cast Juliette Lewis to play my wife, I think she'd have me sleeping on the couch the rest of my life.)

If I won the lottery and could take hiatus from my job, I could follow Michael Moore to all the donut shops, pestering him with questions about his lack of hygiene and the fact that this man of the people lives a very un-proletarian lifestyle. Of course it would be very derivative of "Roger and Me", but I'd keep explaining to Mr. Moore ( mental note- wide-angle Panaflex lenses a must) that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Bubbaman, the Anglicans have gone beyond that,

[Link: www.sizers.org...]

[Link: www.christchurch-virginiawater.co.uk...]

[Link: www.christchurch-virginiawater.co.uk...]

The central theological question is this: Does possession of the land by Jewish people today, and the existence of the State of Israel, have any theological significance in terms of the fulfilment of biblical prophecy or within the purposes of God? Or, should we believe that this understanding of the Land is inconsistent with the Gospel proclaimed by, and summed up in, Jesus Christ? The question is whether we have good biblical and theological reasons for giving whole-hearted support to the Zionist vision? Or, do we find in Scripture grounds for criticising and rejecting this ideology as sub-Christian or even heretical?

@232 Ed Moran of the cute ecetera names:

*LMAO

You're just too funny!

...what certain "thinkers" in the Anglican Church seems to be teaching, is that because Israel, is seen as realization of Jewish aspirations,

should Anglicans support Israel and Jews,

"Or, do we find in Scripture grounds for criticising and rejecting this ideology as sub-Christian or even heretical? "

disgusting and appalling

Ed

See you at 1130... Ice Skating rink... Chilis!!!

#248 Dar ul Harb: Had to look twice to make sure it wasn't iowahawk who posted that. Well done!

Ed Moran, I don't care what you look like, you're adorable :-)

Thank you Ms. Z