Just a taste of what's to come, I'm afraid, as more sophisticated tools and techniques become available to the barbarians.

The odds of the Feds doing anything to bring the people responsible to justice are virtually nil.

Figures. Is it asking too freakin much?

Is wrecking things the only skill that Muslims have?

and I was ready to put it all on the 'our dissent is the only dissent' indymidiots

Some info on dos attacks

#3 The Law Student

It is easier to destroy than to create. Once again, they are using OUR technology to attack us.

Cry havoc, and unleash the script kiddies of war!

ALL YOUR BLOGS ARE BELONG TO US

Someone could always initiate a counter DDOS attack on the sites that are sourcing the attacks...

these guys seem to be comming from a very finite number of gateways and proxy servers to escape fro saudi-land.

of course anything like that would be unethical, illegal, and not something i would condone....

Aaron (double post from other thread)

FWIW, I have enjoyed your site in the past and strongly support what you do. You're an active soldier in the WoIslamicFundies.

As soon as you get up & running with an Amazon link, I'll drop you some change.

# 3 Law Student:

Is wrecking things the only skill that Muslims have?

The short answer is a resounding yes.

Your comment reminded me of what Jon Stewart (of the Daily Show) wrote after 9-11. To paraphrase, he stated something along the lines that these people who committed the atrocity only know how to destroy, not to create. That's Islam all over: Destruction, no creation since, to them, ideas are anathema, and if they can't create or destroy, they just steal. Lovely enemies we face. Now, if only our government would acknowledge them as our enemies, we might have a better fighting chance to win.

Where can I send a check to donate, I don't use credit over the internet. I want to donate, but I don't have much, I will give what I can. But I will not send anything online, I have had credit numbers stolen before.

of course anything like that would be unethical, illegal, and not something i would condone....

Not to mention largely useless. While web sites like LGF and Internet Haganah thrive on providing ready access to information, Al Qaeda web sites thrive on concealment. Thus, when they get shut down (and Haganah has racked up an impressive number of dead URL trophies, simply by notifying the ISPs of what their new "moderate" Muslim customers are up to), it's no biggie for them to find another provider or start another Geocities account.

On the other hand, they can attack us openly, and when they shut us down, they score another victory in their war to eliminate all sources of information that they don't directly control.

#13

i wasnt talking about the websites where they meet, but the proxy servers where they get out to the internet. where they are sourcing their attacks from.

big difference.

I worry about the people who run this forum, I worry about all of us, but I hope fear defeats truth, people in this forum make me believe it never will.

We must be winning the war on (Islamic) terror.

If the best that Al Qaeda can do is mount a DoS attack, then things are looking up.

You know, I would figure that Haganah would find vast support among Zionist organizations around the world. $3500 a year is really pocket change compared to the millions of dollars that the Ford Foundation hands out to terrorists.

Would any of these foundations donate the costs?

Coors, Scaife, Bradley, Olin?

#16 Speak for yourself, I was in withdrawls last night, full DTs.

I even visited the PalSolidarity web site ( and wrote a nice letter to the editor).

Of course, a few hours w/o LFG is obviously better than having the jihadis fly jets into buildings.

Of course, I'm sure a few information systems and software engineering grads with jihadi leanings are no doubt trying to figure out how to cripple, say, the ATC computers during a busy flying day or other such mischief.

aaron wrote:

250+MB of disk space per mirror, a shell account (bash or tcsh), access to/ability to tail log files, mysql 3.*, perl 5.*, php 4.* and ssh2/sftp support.

Isn't that pretty easily doable with budget hosting accounts under $10/mo?

You can get free hosting here (Netcraft Article). It does require a phone number though.

BTW, hobgoblin, while I used to agree with you on the Amazon payments, the fact that they charge nearly double the amount of fees that PayPal does turned me off to them so I've been using PayPal as of late.

Joshua: I emailed my address to you. Thanks!

Has anyone here ever played Command and Conquer: Generals? Its a great game. You get to play the US, the GLA, or China. It's set 20 years in the future, where a huge group of Islamic terrorists called the GLA has acquired some modern weaponry and WMD and uses terrorist tactics like suicide bombers and truck bombs to fight against the Chinese and the US. They use scud launchers filled with anthrax, tractors rigged to spray nerve gas, and they hide in tunnels and stuff. Man that's a great game, and I love the urban combat in it, where there are lots of traps, guys hiding in buildings, and suicide attackers. Lots of collateral damage in urban fighting, and its unavoidable too.

SecHumanist

It's not a matter of me thinking Amazon is better or anything, it's that they already have my info. The fewer sites have my info the happier I am.

What really angers me is the fact that many of us are quite capable of doing very interesting things to other sites. However, we are law-abiding people, incapable of lowering ourselves to their standards.

On the other hand, it is obvious their attention has been drawn to sites that give out the truth.

Your tip jar will have a buck or two in a moment.

I wish I had some money to donate to internet haganah. It's a worthy cause.

Any word as to where the attack originated? Is HM going to pursue legal action?

Of course, I'm sure a few information systems and software engineering grads with jihadi leanings are no doubt trying to figure out how to cripple, say, the ATC computers during a busy flying day or other such mischief.

I tend to think that governments have that covered. The CIA, NSA and Homeland Security Departments are getting the best and brighest. But you point out the potential danger. When muslim children are forced to memorize the koran in a language they don't know for years, what else could they be forced to memorize? Jidadis appear to be very weak when it comes to women, but they can also live humbly and focus solely upon the mission of destruction. We have to remember that while the west is progressing in our culture, technology, ecnomies, it is only the Muslim ruling class that expands power while the lowly folk just focus on staying in the 7th century mindset with 21st century technology.

Generally I find that accounts that will provide what we need run in the $25/$30 range per month per account. The Hosting Matters account is actually a little less than that, and clearly one site is all I can keep there, if that.

I'm shooting for 6 to 8 mirrors, plus the master site where content will get generated and sent forth. A friend is donating a file server for the office, which will help.

Currently we have two locations that can serve as mirrors and the master site, which leaves us to set up 4 to 6 more sites assuming the funding appears from somewhere.

I'm not real good at writing grant proposals or asking for help of any sort, frankly, which doesn't make this any easier... If anyone is interested and has the connections with any of the large organization, we can come up with an offline presentation to support an effort to get funding for Haganah.

Just to put that ($3,500/year) number in perspective, that would only take 30ish $10/month subscriptions... between all of the folks here and there, surely that much money could be scrounged up.

I'm working on the Amazon thing, but I don't have an account there yet, so it might take a couple of days. Depends on them and their documentation.

I use Hosting Matters as well, so it's good to know that I'm in the company of enemies of the Evil Doers™

Aaron, you will have a decent donation from me tonight.

You're on the front lines, literally.

Keep up the great work.
 

If anyone is interested and has the connections with any of the large organization, we can come up with an offline presentation to support an effort to get funding for Haganah.

[Link: www.adl.org...] might be willing to help.
 

I'm increasingly worried about you guys (lfg, Haganah and others) because you tell the truth about the religon of piece, knowing how civilized they are.

Please tell me I am overly paranoid.

3 The Law Student 10/17/2003 10:17AM PST

Is wrecking things the only skill that Muslims have?

Well wrecking things covers many areas--burning, mutilating, beheading, stoning....

And don't forget, lying is second nature.

@32 agitate

No, if the enemy can't shut them up by knocking them off of the internet, they'll start attempting other measures.
I hope they are all keeping aware of their environment at all times.

Why wouldn't this be something for Hosting Matters to deal with?

No, #32 Agitate, you aren't overly paranoid. Personally, I don't think Aaron is paranoid enough!

got hit by al qaeda; charles, will you strike back?

Guys, I appreciate the concern, but I'm about as well prepared to deal with a physical attack as I can be considering that I live in a state that doesn't allow for concealed carry permits. 'Never Again' means, at a bare minimum, not without one hell of a fight, and frankly, in the mood I'm in, blasting away at a couple of Jihadis out to get me would be downright therapeutic.

William: it probably wouldn't hurt if ADL's HQ in New York heard from the grassroots about supporting Haganah. I know we have supporters there, and the regional office in St. Louis has been keeping in touch with me ever since Al Qaida issued that fatwa against Al Haganah last year. But translating that into financial support is not easy.

We are not wading into any political debates, but we do want to make one thing perfectly clear: the origination points of the DOS and the responsible parties have not been detailed by us, nor will we be releasing those details. Any speculation as to the originator(s) of the DOS itself are the opinion of the party offering the comment and should be not be treated as any sort of official word from Hosting Matters.

Internet Hagannah appears to be down again. Is it possible that is just from new traffic coming from LGF readers - or is that just wishful thinking?

#41 Sergio

Why would you wish that?

P.S. I'm not accusing you of anything, just curious.

..because the site being down to genuine traffic is a lot better then being down more DDOS attacks.

While waiting for LGF to come up yesterday evening, I was poking around and found this re: the Saudis. It's so pathetic that they keep this up.

Prince Turki al Faisal alleges his intelligence agency told the CIA in late 1999 and early 2000 that the kingdom had placed both men on its own terror watch list after learning from al-Qaeda prisoners and intelligence intercepts that al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi might be connected to 1998 al-Qaeda attacks on U.S. embassies in Africa and a 1997 effort to smuggle weapons.

"What we told them was these people were on our watch list from previous activities of al-Qaeda, in both the embassy bombings and attempts to smuggle arms into the kingdom in 1997," Turki said.

CIA officials deny receiving such information until after the suicide hijackings occurred.

"There is not a shred of evidence that Saudi intelligence provided CIA any information about al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi prior to Sept. 11 as they have described," spokesman Bill Harlow said. "There have been exhaustive examinations of our records, not only by us, but by congressional inquiries and no such records have surfaced. We have found information similar to that which you cite which the Saudis passed to us a month after Sept. 11."

U.S. and Saudi officials confirm the Saudis created a terror task force as early as 1997 to exchange information with the United States. They usually met once a month either in Riyadh or Washington.

Kind of makes you wonder what the 'terror task force' did at those meetings. Lunch, maybe?

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

#40 - this varies from comments that you, "Annette", made over at Dean's World a bit ago. At least slightly.

No, it varies not at all. We never indicated we would be releasing details of this incident to anyone, and certainly not in the comment to which you have linked. By the time the network came back up, everyone was already well aware of the site that was the target, so that's hardly telling people something they don't know - although I've already seen someone term the target less of a pro-Israeli site than it is an anti-Muslim-terrorist site (or something of that nature), but to us, even on the briefest of forays into the content of the site in question (since we're a little too busy to spend all our time reading every site we host), it matters little, even if our assessment of the site's purpose was incorrect: we're not interested in political debate, but network stability.

The details of the attack, where it originated, and who perpetrated it - if that can actually ever be determined - is not information we are going to details for anyone.

For the record, Arabic-language Al Qaida-affiliated web sites and forums where discussions of attacking 'Al Haganah' were hosted include but are not limited to the following:

sahwah.com
alerhap.com
geocities.com/haack7
islamonline.com
vbzoom.com (not sure about the .com, don't have access to the log files)
vbnaajm.com (same as above, re: extension)
albargothy.com/.net/.org
82lj.net
arabhackerz.com

The most serious of these people are they guys at alerhap, a site which previously had been unlisted by us at the request of those people in the DC area who saw fit to *not* warn us of the impending attack.

This is not a matter of political opinion. When I say that a site is affiliated with such and such a group, I mean it, and I'm backed up by some of the world's leading experts in Islamic extremism (who are also fluent in Arabic).

As I said earlier, haganah.org.il is going down in flames too, which makes fund-raising kind of difficult at the moment. As long as they only have to knock off one site at a time this will continue. Welcome to the wonderful world of information warfare.

And yes, for the record, I feel just a little stupid for advocating a lawful approach to dealing with terrorist-affiliated web sites, but frankly, it works better. A denial of service attack, whether it's against us or against them, only knocks a site off line for so long. Using the lawful approach of simply asking people to not host such sites has resulted in a great many sites going off line for good.

#36 Kathy:

Personally, I don't think Aaron is paranoid enough!

FWIW, my husband is plenty aware of the threat and takes it very seriously -- the dogs crawl into my lap from the aura he emanates in situations like this. But he does an admirable job of overcoming his fears and acting for the good of all anyhow, because really, what choice do we have? Cowering or standing up we'd go "to the ovens" anyway. He's my hero.

The site that was attacked, Internet Haganah (a very little bit of conjecture on my part here) is currently down. Does anybody know what's up?

I'm having visions of the next David Cronenberg movie...

"But You Can't Hide", a hi-tech thriller.

"White-hat" hackers develop IP-homing "missiles": electron packets sent down the line jump out of the monitor and burn clean holes thru the foreheads of al-Qaeda neterrorists.

heh, that sounded funny. I meant, was there another DOS attack or something?

you might be able to reach the site here:

[Link: whirlwind.he.net...]

[Link: whirlwind.he.net...]

Hurricane Electric appears to have null routed the haganah.org.il domain name for the time being (they host that domain).

As for the details of the attack, they constitute evidence of a criminal act, a matter I'll be taking up with the JTTF in both Illinois and Florida come Monday. (I'm in Illinois, the targeted server was in Florida). I doubt the Feds will do much, but I'll be putting them on notice in any event.

Aaron -Rosh --got the safe cabin ready and waiting --NB

Aaron, we are not suggesting that you don't believe that certain parties are responsible. However, our own responsibility lies in determining exactly where the attacks came from, and without specific information linking those origination points with a particular group, or without someone actually just jumping up and saying 'I did it!', there is absolutely no way we are going to make any statement regarding who carried of the attack. When I indicate that we are not interested in political debate, this is just so, and refers not only to the conext of this thread and the issues running through it, but to an overall worldview we take that we simply do not have the time to determine the politics of every site we host. We host all sorts of (legal) sites, for people around the world, of differing viewpoints, of differing religions, of differing perspectives. It is not for us to jump into conversations like the one going on here to point fingers or agree with one side or the other except to the extent that I think we can all agree that DOS attacks are bad. Likewise, it would be irresponsible for us to endorse any claims you make of the parties you feel are behind the attack when we are still investigating the issue. We simply do not want people to confuse what you are saying with something official from us, because (as we all know) people will make that leap without anything under them should they fall.

What you really need is a circle of sites, and the use of a round robin DNS setup. This should allow requests to make the rounds of whatever sites are set up and would at a minimum help deflect a concentrated attack on one particular instance. This would require multiple updates to each location so they would remain in sync, but it would be better than having everything down completely. Technically, this would be more akin to load balancing, which is more often seen on corporate networks, but it's possible that zoneedit or dyndns might be able to handle it.

I hate following up on myself, but I'm going to do it anyway to apologize for the typos in my posts above. As you might imagine, I am incredibly tired....

Just to make one thing perfectly clear: neither Hosting Matters, nor Annette, ever said that it was an attack by Qaida, or more accurately, Qaida supporters, Islamists of the the Salafyist/Wahhabist variety.

I said that and there is every reason to believe that I am correct.

This is only a recent post --among countless others which have named Haganah specifically.

The e-jihad in Islam

IslamicAwakening.Com Discussion Board: Jihaad: The e-jihad in Islam

By falastin on Monday, October 13, 2003 - 10:13 am: Edit

Bismillahi ar-Rahmani ar-Rahim
Salam aleikom, i have a group of e-jihad(Destroyed Jews computers, web-site, e-mails and much more), in the Islam, this is halal or haram?
As Salamu 'aleikum wa rahmatu llah wa barakatu

[Link: www.as-sahwah.com...]

Oh, and folks, reaching me by email is going to be a bit harder than usual. I'll try and keep up with this thread for the next couple of days.

I'm shocked at the chutzpah they have, thinking that Allah is OK with the use of computers .....as well as the ritualistic killing of daughters.

The bickering back and forth between HM and everyone else is annoying, especially considering the work that they've put into responding to the DDOS exceptionally well, but I will say that if HM entered ITSELF into the political discussion by characterizing Haganah's site (pro-israel, anti-whatever, etc...) -- something for which there was really no need. Identifying the site is fine, refusing to do so is fine, but HM making its own determination as to the site's politics in terms of the attack leads EVERYONE to assume (rightfully or not) that the views of the site were being attacked.

If HM doesn't want to enter a political discussion, they should keep THEMSELVES out of them.

(Note: I'm not in any way trying to imply that Haganah is NOT pro-israel or any such thing... those are other people's words)

rosh,

I quite agree with you about standing up. I didn't mean I thought he should cower under the bed (or you either). It's just that right now I have an urge to grab a rifle (or several and some friends) and go guard your doors...

On Topic and wonderful:

They said that during the month of Nisan, Jews from as far away as Baghdad would celebrate the "Festival of the Prophet Nahum." It would be a great celebration that would last for a few days and everybody in the town would enjoy it. The Jews, my hosts related, were known for being great scribes, and masters of the Aramaic language, and Jews and Christians would come from all over Iraq to learn from them.

As we prepared to leave, they asked us if there was anything we could do to restore the synagogue. We told them we could not. But would a Jewish house of worship in the middle of their village be welcome?

Their answer gave us hope in humanity. They said they would be honored to have such a holy place restored to its original condition. They felt it was a national treasure. The caretaker told us that as long as God granted him life he would defend the holiness of the place. As he said this, the other villagers nodded in agreement.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

You mean Al Gore didn't foresee Al Qaeda DOS attacks when he invented the Internet?

I mostly lurk but when I couldn't hit many of my favorite sites last night I knew what had happened...

Obviously Aaron must be hitting a nerve...thank you for all you do.

On a moonbat forum I frequent I have been accused of being a Jew due to my political views... of course I consider it a compliment and not a slur. We are in this together, I just wish more Americans understood the threat.

It's just that right now I have an urge to grab a rifle (or several and some friends) and go guard your doors...

That's kind of you Kathy. Bring beer and call in advance! Unexpected visitors will get an unpleasant reception.

Of course I'd call in advance. You mentioned a gun and I'm not suicidal! What kind of beer do you like?

It's too bad you aren't located where HM is. We in Florida DO have concealed carry.

#62 ralph:
I just popped in for a quick visit (major deadlines have kept me away from LGF) and decided to read your link.

I'm so glad I did! It brought tears to my eyes. What a lovely way to begin Shabbat/Shmini Atzeret/Simhat Torah. Thank you so much.

Shabbat Shalom and Hag Same'ah

Tried to send some cash Aaron, but got this message from PayPal:

"User Status:

This recipient is not yet registered. PayPal will send an email to the recipient explaining how to open an account and receive your transaction. "

What gives?

Is it still OK to PayPal you Aaron?

I don't know what the deal is with paypal. When I test, it acts like it ought to. We've had that account for quite some time now.

Aaron, thanks for clarifying the point for people that what others will post are not necessarily our statements. Also, since one of the staff passed along the round robin inquiry to me, we'll investigate that and let you know how it could possibly work. Since it's rather difficult here to get people to read what was written rather than what they want to see, we're out of this, but you know where to find us and we'll update you appropriately via that route when we're able.

Happy blogging, folks.

Beer of choice: Red Hook IPA. However, I'm not all that particular.

#67 cba
Yes life is wonderful. Shalom.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

aaron-I just tried and I got that message too. I went through with it anyway; but the payment goes to your haganah.org.il address, so you probably can't even tell that you got the money, can you?

71 aaron

Beer of choice: Red Hook IPA. However, I'm not all that particular.

Good thing you are not particular --you won't find any such brand in the vicinity of the "safe cabin."
It would have to be "imported." LOL

ralph, thanks for linking that. It was a wonderful story.

Aaron and Rosh: You must be doing something right!

Annette: No one is anti-anything except violence. We are all trying to get at the truth and sometimes the truth HURTS and when it does, things like DOS occur when those who don't want the truth exposed seek to muzzle those who try to expose it.

We are in a silent war here where each person gets to type in full what they really know or have learned about a facet of this WOT. Those in opposition can't overtalk the blogger as they do on political panel discussions; they can't shout us down so the next thing to do is that they try to shut the truth away by DOS attacks or in some way pulling the plug. But that works two ways.

The only thing this attack does is confirm that what Aaron and Charles and others are doing is HITTING HOME WHERE IT HURTS or they wouldn't be seeking to silence you.

MAZEL TOV!

Ralph - a truely wonderful story.

evariste: I can check the account online. no email required. I'll spend sometime this weekend trying to troubleshoot.

the one-time donation thing has always worked before. were you trying the subscription? please report back.

oh, and Nancy, I'll bring the beer, no worries. but we're not about to evacuate the secret above-ground lair just yet.

Aaron,

I am more than willing to give you some space on one of my servers for a mirror, but in order to run it by my business partner I'll need some details re: os, bandwidth needed, etc.

If interested, feel free to email me.

Aaron: I'll talk to my SE Asian friends. I might be able to obtain a mirror in of all places Malaysia, possibly Singapore. From what I know the rates down there are pretty decent.

I actually think the service you do is notable. Do you have any archives of media sources that have done stories on your online insurgance against Al-Qaida and Islamist web sites?

I did the one-time thing. It appears to have worked, I got a confirmation email from paypal. Will you get a free email account somewhere and email me at the above address? fastmail is pretty good. And if you didn't notice that link that SecHumanist gave I encourage you to check it out, I did and it looks legit.

Don't know if this is related to the same bunch of pathetic losers that took down LGF and Aaron's Internet Haganah. but have any of you tried Google lately?

It's not working, and neither is [Link: www.google.ca...]

I needed it so badly that I decided to try [Link: www.google.it...] and that worked...

Any hints/news about this out there?

Ronnie, both google and google canada work fine for me.

ROnnie,

Works for me

Aaron: I'm no lizardoid minion and for the most part disagree with the regulars here along with their leader. I want to be upfront about this. I have trashed Charles, and his site in public, and will probably do it again. Let there be no mistake about my personal opinions.

That said. You are getting the shaft here. Your doing a good thing that you believe in and seem to be getting screwed everytime you turn around.

This story is a big fucking deal that should be plastered all over CNN and MSNBC, but it won't be. You know that, and I know that. Sure, I disagree with your tactics, but, and it's a big one -- I'm also fully aware that this is a two-edged sword and the next victim could just as easily be my favorite left wing site.

The repression of your sites and the willful ignorance on the part of the larger Internet community to address a threat to all of us is a fucking tragedy. Your need to go about your legal business unhindered on your personal site is something the left, right and center should be able to rally around. Maybe it's time to stop splitting hairs and look out for one of our own.

I would be honored to mirror your site. No cost, no catch. It's not going break any speed records but it would be secure and something to fall back on if the shit hits the fan.

AK47PUNDIT #16

Did you know your above comment,

If the best that Al Qaeda can do is mount a DoS attack, then things are looking up.

has rated a mention over at Instapundit?

That's what's so cool about the LGF comment threads: You never know who's lurking.

#78 aaron

but we're not about to evacuate the secret above-ground lair just yet

I wouldn't think so --it will take more than a DOS attack to retreat to the secret woods cabin.

Next time I venture to civilization --I'll look for the special brew to stock up!

Ronnie, RalphDaRussian; Google is now down for me. Interesting.

#85 Cedar
That was a damn fine thing for you to offer. Difference of opinions is a good thing. I may not agree with your opinions, but my hat's off to you.

axiom: I have a number of stories archived as .pdf's. The problem is where to post them. Maybe it's time to shift the burden to that mac.com account... I'll let you know what I come up with. Oh, and a server in Singapore would be just dandy with me. I'll email you too...

Google is working for me.

#21 Allah Puncher

Yah. I picked up the zero hour expansion. It really adds to the game.

Cedar #85:

Ditto Reaganite's comment in #89.

reaganite-It has come back for me. I wonder if Google will now be different? I'm off to try some of my more common searches to see if they've changed anything.
Cedar-that's pretty cool of you, my hat's off too. Whatever your site is. What is it?

#94: "Whatever your site is. What is it?"

That's not really the point. I have a decent box set up, a middling pipe and plenty of storage. I can provide a static IP and backups... hopefully the need to adjust DNS will never arise.

You wouldn't be interested in my site, it's one of them damn LLL things -- except when I'm posting about my cat or failed relationships.

I intended my offer of a mirror to be just that, a mirror. There is no good reason our sites ever need to meet. Or, G-d forbid, be linked on the same page :)

cedar--
I was on your site earlier today. Thank you for understanding that we are concerned with protecting the freedoms of all of us. I know there are many people like you who see things sensibly. We've got a pretty good thing going here in our part of the world despite its shortcomings, and I want to see that continue. I don't want to see anyone ever again end up in a precarious position like Amina Lawal, or dead like Mena, the founder of RAWA. The more I see others not having the freedoms we take for granted, the more I appreciate what was built up for us by the generations that went before. Your contribution to the free dialogue we are enjoying is hugely appreciated.

Evariste, Google is back on my side, too...

Guess it was a temporary outage. So did the output of any of your searches change?

haganah press:

[Link: homepage.mac.com...]

not all in English.

Only one (out of about thirty that I commonly try), Ronnie. My strategy is typing minimization, so I try to come up with the smallest number of letters to type that will get me to a google search with the site I'm looking for as the top result. I use Opera so F8+TAB+lgf takes me here. The only one of my little searches that changed is "Chen". Raymond Chen is who I'm looking for; he used to be first (this morning even) and now he's second after some Manga guy.

Cedar-I figured it out anyway, read the other thread. :-)

cedar: I don't know who you are or what your site is either, and rosh can't remember the URL. see the email addr here and drop me a line if you can.

re: ADL support for Haganah I have been advised that people should send comments to

webmaster@adl.org

and fill out a report at

[Link: www.adl.org...]

Aaron: You should have mail... unless I messed something up which is far from impossible.

Does any one besides me find Annette's multiple posts and repeated discourse on behalf of her site reeking of appeasement? I'm disapppointed.

Of *course* you have to judge people and sites and actions -- you MUST draw a line in the sand. Not to do so can only be termed as lily-livered and backwards looking. And if there is proof or overt suspicion that Arabs/Muslims/Al Queda is behind these Denial of Service attacks, then someone with the know-how should digitally shoot back (after all, who invented the damned Internet in the first place?!).

Of couse... Annette *is* a French name. I'll bet Annette and her colleagues were out marching in the streets last spring, waving anti-Bush "No Blood for Oil" signs, too.

#104: Give her a break.

Annette and Hosting Matters have been nothing but professional. They are just coming out of twenty-four hours in hell during which they conducted themselves in an admirable manner.

They're the victims here, you idiot.

what cedar said. give them a f*cking break for goodness sake. or try staying up for 24 or 48 or 72 hours dealing with a DoS attack (been there and done that) and see how *you* feel and function on the far end of that experience. or find some other thread to post on, ok. me, I'm going to take my dog for a walk.

#104 heretic

oh c'mon. That's a low blow.

Cedar, you have a good site. I don't understand why you disagree with Aaron's "tactics." Aaron is basically just enforcing the law.

heretic, I usually like your posts but that was over the top. I wish you would have maybe done a usenet search for Annette/HostingMatters (and seen the high esteem in which she is held in various circles). Really I just wish you had realized that Annette was here in her capacity as a public face for her employer and that her employer probably forbade her from taking sides. I wonder what your response would be in a similar situation.
Anyway. Aaron doesn't have a bad word for hostingmatters, and he's their customer. Nor does Charles or Glenn Reynolds or anyone else I've read. You aren't even their customer so why should they listen to what you have to say?

Of course Hosting Matters doesn't want any bad publicity associated with this incident. They have every right to attract the business of all types of customers, and Annette has every right to work hard, as she has been doing, to preserve her company's well-deserved good name. She has indicated (and I am paraphrasing) that people read what they want to read and kind of fail to notice the rest. I tend to agree with that. Her company is merely concerned that in the gossip maelstrom that gets generated from an incident like this, its reputation may undeservedly suffer. Nothing wrong with that.
As for the French name thing, that's just silly, but then my analyst's name was Annette so I suppose my mind has been corrupted. :P

Not only do I "not have a bad word" for Hosting Matters, I have to say that after going through 4 different web hosts in the past two years, Hosting Matters is by far the best one I've found and I am more than happy with their service, support, and features. They've been a godsend for this site.

Actually, evariste, Annette is the owner of Hostmatters. Professionalism and fairness are her everyday wear, which is both why our client base is so loyal and I am proud to be an HM minion.

AARON, quite frankly, I seldom visit your site.
Between work, & keeping up with posts by Charles & LGFers, I get little enough sleep as it is.

I am very aware of what you do, however, & consider you to be on the front lines in the internet war now taking place.
I feel that what you do is vitally important to my future &, more importantly, to the future of my grandkids.
Therefore, I'd appreciate it if you would e-mail me with your snail address so I can write you a check on their behalf. It won't be a fortune but...every little bit...right?

Anybody else out there feel a teensy bit safer for Aaron's standing on the wall while we sleep?

Thanks for the info, Stacy-when I was researching HM to see if I was going to recommend you guys or not I ran across a bunch of usenet posts praising Annette; I figured she was just a very public face of the company.
Good to know the owner is so involved! Always a good sign in a business. You guys appear to run a fairly tight ship.

About a week ago, Charles ran an article on how despite Aaron's great work at Internet Haganah on locating and indexing terrorist websites, somehow the only ones that made the official US government list were ones set up by the followers of the late Rabbi and MK Meir Kahane. I just posted something in that thread on how the list in question is maintained, and where Aaron and others might want to send terrorist-related info in order to better focus our government's efforts.

To jump on the bandwagons, Heretic you are an idiot.

Cedar, you are not. (How did a smart, fair guy like you become a lefty? ;-)

Annette made a single mistake. She should have just confirmed the target and left all editorial comment out of it. I say that not to chastise but as advice.

If you don't want to talk politics, then don't. That way you don't get idiots like Heretic mouthing off. But I bet Annette was smart enough to learn that lesson after this. ;-)

nuff said.

Paul

"TO THE COWARDS THAT LAUNCHED THAT ATTACK"
(and are reading this now)

You ready to bring your beef offline?You name the time and place and I'll be there with bells on,camel felchers.

I recommend that the parties affected by the DDoS keep good logs of the attacks. Eventually, if they or their ISP can demonstrate significant financial losses, they can get the attention of their local FBI branch office. At the very least, they should notify CERT ([Link: www.cert.org...]

In the interim, I'd recommend that they sign on to a few security lists that could help them at least mitigate the impact of these DDoS attacks. Foremost would be the Incidents List at SecurityFocus ([Link: www.securityfocus.com...] If nothing else, members there should be able to make recommendations on the best steps to take to lessen the impact of the next DDoS attack.

Sadly, there is little one can do about a large-scale denial-of-service attack apart from taking a break and going out for some recreation with friends.

I wish all concerned the best. Anklebiters suck.

-Jay

Please pardon my veiled threat #116 (if anyone is still reading this thread).Don't mean to call in the trolls,I just get emotional about cowardly attacks on my compatriots.Shoulda taken a "preview" time out.Sorry if I unduly upset anyone,cept those cowards of course.I'll try not to let it happen again.

/contrite

As a vote of confidence we are sending $100. to "Haganah Online" to support future work .

On PBS I would get a mug and a CD, but Haganah gives me far more. The knowledge the Internet hasn't turned us all into armchair patriots.

Cheers to Aaron and Haganah Online.

Thanks to all for the kind words.

I still don't have the PayPal thing de-bugged, but our account info is as follows:

Name:  Internet Haganah (Andrew Weisburd)
Email:  aaron@weisburd.net

Since you have to have a PayPal account in the first place, you *should* be able to just log into you account and use their Send Money option to send to our account.

A mailing address that we can post in public will be forthcoming.

We have pledges of $700, with $2800 to go to meet our goal.

Temporary sites, with info about donations, snail mail address, etc.

[Link: www.angelfire.com...]
[Link: www.geocities.com...]

A more complete list of the temp sites:

[Link: www.geocities.com...]
[Link: www.geocities.com...]
[Link: internethaganah.150m.com...]
[Link: haganah.150m.com...]
[Link: internethaganah.tripod.com...] /
[Link: www.geocities.com...]

FYI - I had tried to send $500 to help Haganah but couldn't - and now realize why... you need to let your browser accept the PayPal cookie. I just set the exceptions to allow PayPal - and am glad to know that Aaron will get some help ASAP.

But now it is time for others to stand up and give. I dug deep - but that's because I really believe in what he is doing.

And Charles is no slouch either! I am proud to say I have donated to LGF in the past and plan to again for as long as he continues to gives us such a great service.

Think about it - just like they say on public radio or those annoying "guilt ads" for starving kids... what crap do you drop a $1 a day on (or $2!) that you could give up to help out? I gave up the soda I buy every day at the train station for $2 and now grab one for $0.60 at the machine downstairs... and don't regret it a bit!

Thanks Brian (and the rest of you too)!

oh yeah, and if anyone has a firm grasp on running rsync through ssh I could use a few pointers. TiA...

go down with jews & chritsian..go down america may God curse you all.. hope more plane to hit all building in USA & Israel

I hope no one is surprised to find out that the comment immediately preceding was posted by a follower of the Religion of Peace™ in Malaysia.

#126--

I'd thank you for those clarifying remarks, but we had already figured it out ourselves.

The Bible of the Jews and Christians tells of the prophet Balaam the son of Beor, the man with the open eye. Asked by a local ruler to curse the Israelites after they had been freed from Egypt, Balaam responded that he could only speak what the Almighty ordained. The ruler was quite unhappy with what he heard, just as you will be.

Among the utterances of Balaam is this:

It is God who brought [Jacob/Israel] out of Egypt according to the power of His loftiness. He will consume the nations that oppress him and crust their bones, and his arrows shall pierce them.

He crouched and lay down like a lion and, like a lion cub—who can stand him up? Those who bless [Jacob/Israel] are blessed and those who curse you are accursed.

But maybe you can understand the Arabic text better. And the word of Balaam was nothing more than a repetition of God's promise to Abram.

So go ahead and curse the Jews all you like. Look at the lands where Jews thrive, such as the US and Israel, and the lands where they do not, such as the Arab world, and consider who is truly blessed, and who is truly cursed, by curses such as yours. Just think of the wonders that will flow from the recent summit of Islamic leaders.

It's a pity for you losers that you want more of the same, but sooner or later you may wise up and recognize that the Guardian of Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps.

Aaron

Just put in my fifty bucks toward a very worthy cause. I enjoy reading your site and I know what a thankless and valuable job you do. Keep it up; you are doing a wonderful job.

Signed,

One proud Infidel

I am profoundly embarrassed...

Unless Haganah's "finance counter" is broken we are in dire straits. Is it only the poorest of patriots that follow "Haganah Online" and it's undaunted efforts?

I am increasing my prior pledge of $100 by another $100 .

For having made such a commitment I will take my license to explain why.

First and foremost having been born a matter of blocks from the WTC I take exception to the desecration of my birthplace and my native country by the terrorist acts of 911.

Secondly, a schoolmate of mine was pulverized and or immolated in the destruction of the WTC.

Thirdly, a workmate of my sisters who was four months pregnant on that fatefull day became a widow and the would be mother of a now fatherless child.

Fourthly, for all the other people, their friends and relatives who's lives were shattered by such a despicable and cowardly act.

The sites that "Haganah Online" defeats and exposes are the virtual haunts of the people that either caused, condoned, or support the derranged and criminal mindset that brought about 911 and similar events.

Think about this before you start each day and decide what role you have chosen in life.

"Evil prospers when good men stand idle"

I do not believe for a moment that anyone can count themselves among the ranks of "good men" if they choose to bear only witness to evil.

We have seen evil and this is our clarion call. Be counted among the "good men".

Aaron is one of those "good men". Lend him your support.

Thank you.

I just had a thought. Considering Akamai was created for just this purpose and considering their Israeli founder and CEO Danny Lewin was killed aboard one of the planes flown into the WTC, you think they might be willing to help out somebody fighting the very same ideology that killed their former CEO? Worth a shot?

I've put in my $500 as well. I hope there's an updated fundraising number - I want to know that Aaron's got the resources he needs to defend himself in the ether.

Anyone who hasn't donated yet -- why haven't you?

Any blogger who hasn't spread the word -- we need to!

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