Why is this photo so distorted? It's this way on yahoo as well.

Those are some massive hands...

Does she have giant hands or a pin head?

#1

Whatever do you mean? You don't think her hands are actually twice as big as her head?

-dg

Check out the buildings in the background. It's like the camera had a fish-eye lens.

She looks like the Fishy-fish guy from Meaning of Life.

*shudder*

Jenin, and now Zionist-induced massive hand syndrome.

Indeed, either her head is as big as a coconut or she has massive problems using a common telephone

given that he revealed the location of the belt .. what purpose did it achieve to blow up the house ?

This is the distortion which occurs using a wide angle lens. Sort of like the distortion the media applies to the Pal-Israeli conflict.

Rather than blowing up the house, the Israelis should have had him tie the belt around himself, walk into a Hamas gathering and well, Allah Akbar - Boom!

#9
You think somebody shoulda just went in and picked that sucker up, huh?

#11 - yep

The photo has a late-80's Talking Heads "Stop Making Sense" feel to it with its weird proportioning. Burning Down the House indeed.

As soon as Israel withdraws from a few settlements, and gives these poor palestinians a state, all will be well.

(with our retirement plans, that is!)

/Colin Powell

The perfect place to denonate those captured bomb belts.

Perhaps this will be a new demolition technique.

Way to go.

#12 spinning furiously
Getting dizzy yet? ;-)

OT
hans ze beeman - Did you read bigel's apology?

The Palestinians bring new meaning to the phrase "women and children first."

Or how about "No Child Left Behind (the front line)."

Cruel fate: massive hands and only IDF shrunken schlong to use them on. Oh the humanity!

Paul

10

Perfect.

OT

Is there any group of people who can claim a "right to their land." It seems that all people are living on land their ancestors conquered. The Brits are living on land conquered from Celts, the Americans are living on land conquered from tribes who earlier conquered it from other tribes. The Spanish are living on land conquered from Moors who conquered it from Germanic tribes who conquered it from the Romans who conquered it from the Celts who conquered it from the Iberians...And what about the Basques:-)

So do the rules say that as soon as a person sets foot on some unspecified region of land, all the people he identifies with have a right to that land? Hence because Neil Armstrong first set foot on the moon, that territory by right belongs to Americans?

Where can I find good resources explaining the moral right to land?

Thanks.

#9 spinning furiously

Dude has a plan to kill you and your family. You catch dude before he can do it. Dude tells you where his assembled and ready explosive device is. You go to where it is and pick it up, its not going to hurt you, you know this because the trustworthy guy who just so happened to want to kill you and your baby would'nt lie to you.

Keep spinning. From what I have read in medical journals it decreases the discomfort of that wet brain youre suffering from.

Take a look at the photo credit. (AFP/Atta Hussein). That says a lot all on its own. F*!@#$ing muslim bigot murderbots.

#23

Try harder next time...

It's transparently obvious your're a DU moonbat trying to smear LGF.

Charles...

New IDF Policy.
You no keep bomb belt in house.
We not make house go boom boom.
Nod & smile. Have nice day!

The picture of the women reminded me of my own grand-father telling me "fish stories" long ago. You know, lying about how big the fish "that got away was" and all.

I think she might be lying about how big Arafish's...well, nevermind! LOL

#12 spinning furiously

Would you go pick up an IED that may have been booby-trapped, to help a family that's net contribution to Israel is a suicide bomber?

women should woman...

9 spinning furiously 11/2/2003 09:28AM PST

given that he revealed the location of the belt .. what purpose did it achieve to blow up the house ?

You mean of course what purpose did it achieve to blow up ONLY the house. Right?

#24 Andy, :) Strike one, the vigilant.

So we have some people here who are going to celebrate when they blow their children into a million parts but then they are going to cry and wave their hands around when their homes are blown up.
Shame on them. May all their homes be blown up and the children escape from their evil clutches. (That's why these huge hands are so creepy)

#9 spinning furiously

Think of it as zero tolerance. Plus, it saves the fuel needed to send a D-9 to knock the place over.

"Terrorism has repurcussions" seems like a sensible policy.

On the bright side, they didn't leave the murderous scumbag, and the family he so obviously disregards in the house when they detonated the belt. They killed a house. He would have killed as many civilians as possible.

Cry me a river, indeed.

Alternative captions for photo:

"The jews, they feed me poison make my hands so big, big allah damn monster hands. I just was opening the door when the force of my big damn allah monster hands was to powerful and the house fell down!!! Bwawawaaa, the allah damn jews and their sneeky tricks made me tear my own house down. Waaa, ulululululul. Waaa"

The next stage should be:
You not harbor bad mans & splodeypersons in village.
We not bring big machines with big push push things on front come & knock down village make you go squat some other big flat rocky place.

#21 Andy

I don't think there's any set of rules, exactly. As I understand it, a country has the right to exist, simply by existing. The double-standard about Israel having to expain its right to exist is one of the most sickening examples of "anti-Zionism", especially when it comes from Arabs (whose countries were created in the early 20th century).

#9 Spinning Furiously

Your view, although the prevailing one in the press, Europe and amongst those in various states of denial, sends a message of proportionality regarding our assessment of the gravity of the act of amassing explosives aimed at killing Jews. It says that we regard the act of amassing explosive belts to be equivalent to the inconvenience of having them confiscated if found.

Now, blowing up the fucking house in which it is found sends a message more in keeping with the values of a sane, responsible, in-touch person dealing with people who claim to love death more than we love life.

These ape-like characatures of human beings ought to get down on their hands and knees and thank Allah that they are only terrorizing Jews instead of beasts who have the same attitude to human life and dignity as their coreligionists have demonstrated throughout history.

Andy (#21),
I have been going round & round with my brother-in-law on this subject. He pointed out the "injustice" of Palis being driven from their homes in '48 and I asked about all the displaced people worldwide. Should every people that suffered any injustice be able to return to "their land." I also pointed out that some Algonquin ancestor out there has a claim on his house.
The fact that the Palis have gained int'l sympathy when, Armenians slaughtered by Turks for example, did not, can only signal to me that a) terrorism is working b) anti-semitism has led to two sets of standards. He tried to claim the recency and UN involvement make this case different. What about the 300,000 Palis driven out of Kuwait in past 10 years? certainly the Arab world and Europe is up in arms over this? uh, no.

#37 dw

Americans complaining about displacing the native population is absurd on so many levels... :-)

One of the things that I have and will continue to stress to my children is that there are consequences for your actions and people judge you by who you hang out with.
I had to get my daughter out of jail one evening. The whole group of kids were arrested when some of the boys(who were drinking) got into a fight with another party of kids. I could not pay for a better opportunity to explain consequences and hanging out with knuckleheads to the kid.
The whole Palestinian crowd want to piss and moan when the Israelis spank them for poor behavior.
Wake up!! If you start a war, people are going to die, houses are going to be destroyed,people are going to jail for long periods of time. What is it that you don't understand?
By the same token how difficult is it to understand that at some point the Israelis were going to put up some sort of barrier to keep you out? A barrier would be an entirely foreseeable consequence to being a troublesome people. Now what are you going to do for employment?
This barrier may provide absolute proof that Arabs came to the area after the Jews started business and started employing people. Because at some point if the Jews are not hiring the local Arabs will starve.

#39, I used to do that on "Spice Girls" forums when I was a 13-year-old cybergeek with too much free time. But I grew out of it.

OT: Poland: The Anti-france

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

What's happening to that Hamas guy?

Is he's gonna be part of a prisoner exchange with Hezbollah?

JG

Charles. Troll Alert!

For your viewing pleasure, I have removed the distortion from this photo:

[Link: seeecretmessage.tripod.com...]

(#38) Colt:

It's also absurd for any Western European to complain - who's own ancestors were the ones who sent people to the "New World" and subjugated/expelled the native populations, often at the behest of the Euro-rulers.

So is any Arab who's descended from people who swept across the Middle East in a mass of conquering and slaughtering.

Charles: I think you should appoint some "assistant moderators" who can delete the crap posts when you're not around.

..!..

Is this ... troll the same as the poster "Islam S***"?

I see the morons from DUh-og shiite central has found lgf...

40

That is even partly a moot point, because while Native Americans had a unique culture comprised of a variety of distinct tribes, last I checked, the "occupied" territory was Jordan and Egypt and Syria.

While Israel is talked of as a birthright, many Zionists at its founding claimed it for ancient purposes, many others, uncluding the UK gov. at points, simply thought of Israel as the name of a potential homeland for Jews, regardless of where it is. This idea seems to escape the other side.

For example, should pre-Islamic nations claim the Annatolian Pen. for themselves, as those tribes swept across is in murder and deceit? Well, I guess not, because God told them to do it. While this is a troubling parralel to the Native American case it should be noted that, contrary to the nature of North America, there had been dominant psuedo-nation states/religiously homogenous tribes conquering for centuries, of which Islam was just the most recent.

Also, do you think that, in the name of fairness, Turkey would trade land with Israel as they are occupying land considered at one point to be the peak of European civilization? (not that Israel should or would ever give up Jerusalem or the other holy sites now that they have them, but treat the hypo as a simple land swap scenario) Besides, does anyone ever challenge Turkey's legitimacy? No, it just goes with the territory of war. France and the UK created the mess and helped solidify Turkey by voiding their duty to the false states cut from the Ottoman rubble.

Thoughts?
Paul

LOL, this troll is in full seeethe mode!!!

53

No, but that is precicely the point. While we use the standard you set out for the North American case, the lack of culpability of current generations for the loss of prior peoples, across several spheres, be it in China, Turkey, Australia, etc., only the Arab-Israeli conflict seems to insert religous claims to land within the nation state frame of things.

Paul

Hey, it's Silent Bob.

heh! It appears to be a pre-linguistic troll, and may I say it is pre-cognitive too? Or it's a cry for help...

Looks like output from an artificial stupidity program.

LOL! Neo_con

Well, they make as much sense this way as they do when typing actual words. Hmm. Maybe more.

So libeling Charles didnt work, now they're trying to raise the bandwidth bill...what will those geniuses on the left do next?

I have just arrived and I've seen the nice show of stupidity.
Actually, a big silence is all the left has to say today.
I'll be back later, I'm not in the mood to tolerate these morans (it IS a joke, yes) now.

Nah, it has to be Yoko Ono doing some performance art for peace on earth.

#53 SoCalJustice

Nope. There aren't too many peoples who are clean on that count.

Islamic Jihad plants bomb in Shechem marketplace, continue to bitch about mistreatment of Palestinians.

What do you expect? Hagar through her kid into the bushes, something a Jewish mother never would do. Must be something on the mtDNA level.

I remembered a quote from Golda Meir.

We'll have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate Jews.

Doesn't look like that's going to happen any time soon.

Looks like conventwhore finally had the big O.

oooh wuhws meee, those evil israelis found my sons bomb belt and not only wont they let him go kill a bus full of children, but they had the audacity to not want to risk thier lives handling a live bomb!! so they blew it up in place!!!

whats the world coming too? when you cant be a terrorist and keep your house.

Lizard Master Sir

Any IP info sir ? Colorado maybe ?

#83 justdanny

{shudder}

I think the reason for detonating the belt in place has been answered -- it's too dangerous to deal with what could have been a booby trap, and much easier just to set it off there.

As for the woman in the picture -- maybe she should have objected to having a bomb stashed under her baby? Or she should have object to someone in her house being determined to kill women and children.

I'm curious about the use of a fisheye lens for the picture. Perhaps the goal was to make the rubble look bigger than it really is?

zionist colonisers out of Palestine NOW. i hope the Al Aqsa martrs kill more zionists soon. Thats what you get for steeling land and killing and opressing Palestinians!

That one was from the city of York in the UK.

-Uh, I guess it's Halloween in Hizmeh...

-Instant Karma!

-"Atta Hussein"...geez...

-Don't know much about photography - what would be the "sinister" object of using a wide-angle lens in this context? Does it make the damaged area appear larger?

81 posts, and 19 deletions. Looks like Charles has had a busy morning. :(

#74 D.H. -

Artificial Stupidity Program

LOL!!!

Yo fatima! aka spinning furiously,

Try to imagine what that bomb belt would have done in a school or on a bus or pizza parlour?

I'll bet my next bottle of Laphroig you live in eurabia.

And 'mazen' above is in Belgium, land of chocolate poodles, soon to be under the rule of shari'a.

mazen-kuss ukhtak, hasharmouTa

Old joke, bears repeating:

Old Arab 1: Hey Yussef, your son got any kids?

Olsd Arab 2: Yes. 16. The bus was full, Allah be praised.

#86 Thom

Sorry. Skank like her(?) , I just figured she probably leaves a drip like that everywhere she goes.

If the destroyed bomb belt did that much damage to her house, imagine how much damage it would have done to the bus or restaurant or shop or school or dance hall or cafe or ice-cream parlor or whatever civilian target the woman's terrorist comrade was planning to target. Not to mention all the innocent peopel that would have been murdered. And had that happened, this elongated freak wouldn't have been out mugging up her grief and rage for the local AFP propaganda photographer.

A bomb belt with enough explosive power to destroy a small building is found in her cute little abode, yet somehow she's the aggrieved victim? Oh, boo-friggin'-hoo. Cry me a river, indeed. No, cry me an 'effin' ocean. What a twisted, warped, sick mindset.

Palestinian Media Watch has a new six-minute video presentation on Arafat's Death Cult:

Ask For Death
[Link: www.pmw.org.il...]
(Click one of the two icons at the top of the page to view video)

An excerpt from a PA television "news" program: "The president [Arafat] said in his address to these boys and girls [in PA summer training camps] that the [14-year-old] Shahid Faris Ouda and all the Shahids of our people constitute the fundamental and victorious power, Allah willing!"
 

And further context from Operation Stop Inciting Children to Kill:

25,000 children were trained this past summer in Palestinian Authority summer camps in the use of firearms, the making of Molotov cocktails, methods and operational rehearsals for kidnapping targeted leaders, and conducting ambushes. Tragically they were indoctrinated for a new generation of war -- not for peace.
[Link: www.operationsick.com...]

Like that part about "steeling land"--transforming it from desert into steel? Interesting how the tiny creatures of the primeval forest never mention the land and property stolen from Jews. Malign ignorance or deliberate oversight?

evariste - what did you say to our little pal mazen? Care to share?

I thought he 100 times greater than the surface of the sun would turn the desert into glass?

I think the fishangle is to make her arms look longer. Notice she's "wailing" for the camera, holding out her arms to the heavens. More emphasis on arms outstretched supposed means more pathos.

How...scripted.

new pal weapon..check her wingspan,must be a UAV

andrew-basically I made reference to his sister's pudenda, and then called her a whore. For some reason you insult Arabs by mocking their womenfolk's honor.

9 spinning furiously 11/2/2003 09:28AM PST

given that he revealed the location of the belt .. what purpose did it achieve to blow up the house ?

...guess YOU were not available to go inside to get the bomb.

:-P

(#103) evariste:

Will he have to go kill her now?

#103 evariste
Yow! I wonder if his head has exploded yet.

SoCalJustice-only if he feels humiliated, poor thing! :-)

For some reason you insult Arabs by mocking their womenfolk's honor

New Israeli weapon: Speaker trucks rolling thru the casbahs playing tapes of the 'yo moma's so fat' jokes . . . Drives the arab men nuts to the point they can't think (or shoot) straight, and start having work accidents.

#103: evariste

For some reason you insult Arabs by mocking their womenfolk's honor.

Maybe because they have to kill them if this proves true?

Palestinian woman expresses her anger after Israeli Defence Forces detonated an explosive belt they found in her house

Boo friggin' hoo! I feel like I'm watching an old rerun of Lost in Space, with Doctor Smith bitching about his back!

"Oh, the pain, William, the pain!"

There is a price to be paid for genocide and attempted genocide. Pay up, lady!

#103 evariste

Hope that doesn't provoke him into an "honor" killing.

Very slanted Piece on the israel/palestina conflict playing on BBC 2 now.

Possible quotes from the woman in the picture:

"I caught a fish THIS big!"

"The bomb belt was intended to kill Israeli children THIS big!"

"The bomb belt was hidden under the bed of a child THIS big, and for this I'm let off with no jail time! Sure, my house is wrecked, but the UN will give me another one, maybe even nicer!"

"Well, our plan to slaughter as many Israelis as possible was foiled--woe!--but don't feel bad: it was just one bomb belt. Here, let me give you a hug!"

"Where the hell were those ISM tools who were supposed to be protecting my house, dammit???!!! What, the bomb belt has to be exploded and Israelis killed and maimed before those worthless shits will show up to protect me and my house? Not fair! I really wanted to see some dead Israeli kids! Doesn't that count for anything? Waaahhh!"

"We had a bomb belt THIS big stashed under the kid's bed, and we would have gotten away with it if hadn't been for those meddling IDF kids and their cursed sapper unit!" (rips mask off, revealing herself as Old Man Hamas Henderson from the Death Cult Amusement Park.)

109

Actually worked in Iraq... psyops.

Paul

#113 /d/
I liked your scooby doo ending best! lol

Paul Banks-I think you mean #108

Aaargh! My eyes! The BBC has just shown one of our two favourite pictures of Rachel Corrie! The one of her yelling and burning a flag.

Here in England, the latest BBC hate-umentary is showing. Israelis killing journalists, ISM, and other innocent little creatures.

They have just showed some ISM idiots playing with bulldozer. After watching them, I'm amazed that only one died as a result of that game.

But they showed that picture... People outside of LGF have seen it now.

What's all that concrete?

What, people in refugee camps DON'T live in tents?

"The disappointment of seeing the bomb belt I was hiding exploded in my living room rather than in an Israeli bus or coffee shop has given me a headache THIS big."

"I know of children THIS big who have been diddled by Yasser Arafat."

"The Palestinian Authority on Sunday condemned the US for offering a reward of up to $5 million for people providing information about the attack on American convoy in the Gaza Strip on October 15. Three US security guards were killed when a remote-controlled roadside bomb was detonated near their convoy in the northern Gaza Strip." But why? Didn't the Jooos do it?

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

What about those who the Palestinian police arrested? "It's also not clear what happened to the eight Palestinians who were detained shortly after the attack. Sources in Gaza City said most of the detainees have been released."

Seriously, I guess plain old protographic bias by subject selection and ommision of context wasn't enough for fotog Atta Hussein.

He's now into acutal image distortion (fisheye) to create the proper artistic statement on the palestinian 'tragedy'. And his editors are cool with that.

Scumbags.

The real tragedy as far as they're concerned, however, is that the bombelt was found by the IDF.

OT - chopper crash

Is it just me, or does anyone get the impression that events in the war always seem to happen just in time for the Sunday morning news show cycle?

Just imagine if America didn't have an enemy media. We could turn these dastardly events into showcases for the depravity of the enemy.

But alas, the American pravda continues it's pious enemy assault.

I'd round them up and fry 'em, if it was up to me. It is treason.

It's time for Americans to not only pay lip service to the war, but declare unequivocally which side they are on.

The meet the presser's have American blood on their hands.

Sorry, ma'am, can't feel sorry for you just now. If that explosive belt had gone off where the would-be murderer intended it, you'd be handing out sweets to celebrate our deaths and your (presumed) relative's "glorious martyrdom."

Now the shoe is on the other foot. Live with it, lady. At least it was your house and not your family or your own body.

/venting after 3+ years of living with this stupidity

#122 b
A free press is a good thing, even if it means putting up with biased reporting.

Just in case anyone thinks of complaining to the BBC about their bias, scroll further down this page to discover what treats are in store for us at 7.15pm next Sunday: Arafat Investigated

Jeremy Bowen and the Correspondent team travel to Palestine to investigate Yasser Arafat's commitment to peace and find out why the US and Israeli presidents will no longer negotiate with him.

The programme on now is still heavily biased, though.

Our friend in York may be watching it now, seething and whining...

Now the shoe is on the other foot. Live with it, lady. At least it was your house and not your family or your own body.

Actually, It's a shame. I'd like to see this lady dead.

This shit really brings out the worst in me.

#124

yeah, free -- sure

It seems like it's strongly in enemy territory. I don't buy your conclusion, but I agree with the premis.

RC Neo-Jew #125

I wonder what brilliant conclusions the BBC will come up with.

They must be setting a world record for fact-ignoring.

premise

the premise that the media is free,

is false

it's trapped under the wet, stinking blanket of academia

Yahoo is reporting the fish wants peace talks. (Again!)

If I was Sharon, I'd tell him to go and piss up a rope.

OT What would be the benefit to a Wahabbi on a fairly clean 'revival' messageboard of installing software from here? I wouldn't vouch if you don't know what you're doing.

Dom-DirectConnect is a filesharing app. So they're probably distributing files, or just using it for more private chats.

#128 Shira

BBC conclusion about Israel in any programme they show: Guilty! Guilty! Gulty!

It doesn't help that there is an Israeli member of "Tom Hurndall's legal team" contributing to this idea.

There's something else wrong with that picture.

Why isn't this murderous shrew in handcuffs?

evariste, thanks. Would you say it's a safe download?

Why isn't this murderous shrew in handcuffs?

Well, becasue her actions are understandable because the of the humiliyashun of the occupayshun.

/Suicidal Israeli left.

#122 B

OT - chopper crash

Is it just me, or does anyone get the impression that events in the war always seem to happen just in time for the Sunday morning news show cycle?

I was wondering about that to.

Oh, DirectConnect is certainly safe to download, I've used it myself in the past.
It may or may not include adware or spyware these days, I don't know what their business model is. So keep Ad-Aware and Spybot handy just in case!
As for joining the Islamic hub, it may or may not be safe for you to join. Read the documentation to see if the client makes your IP address available to the server's user. I suspect that it must. If you really want to have a look at what they are doing in there, figure out some way of masking your IP address. And tell us what you find!

There is a way to fight the biased press...stop watching any of their programs...tell your friends, neighbours and family that the seditious reporting of the media is aiding in the fight on the terrorists side. Boycott the broadcasting companies...start a grass roots movement to put them out of business. We've already proved it can be done, just look at who? the flickychippies are out of the music business...oh yeah they claim they've rolled over to rock...but don't bet on it.
Stop buying magazines, newpapers and journals you know are biased against this country. They have right to print their lies and twisted facts, and we have the right to not buy any of their crap.

Someone called Gideon Levy is on, now. Is he a Haaretz journalist? He's contributing to the conclusion of... Guilty! Guilty! Guilty!

Interestingly the Beeb seem to be blaming Bedouin volunteers in the Israeli army for the shooting of cameraman James Miller, not what they call "nervous conscripts". In other words, Arabs, not Jews.

While patrolling the streets of Baghdad, I often got involved in political conversations with secular, educated, and "moderate" Iraqis about the war against Iraq, Israel, the Jews, and America. To my surprise, most of them held wildly irrational beliefs about the world. For example, most of them would swear that Ariel Sharon pressured a reluctant President Bush to go to war against Iraq [or] that the CIA put Saddam Hussein, a CIA agent, in power to allow U.S. forces to take Iraqi oil and impoverish Iraq. Finally, they were convinced that the CIA is an organization controlled by the Mossad and that powerful Zionists dominate Washington, D.C.! In fact, most Arabs in the world believe these absurdities. These beliefs are the product of years of intense brainwashing by their education[al] system, mass media and political and religious leaders. These beliefs turn educated, intelligent Arab family men into hijackers that slam passenger planes into buildings and homicide bombers that murder as may Jews as possible on Israeli buses.

Written by a an american jewish infantry platoon leader of 26 men, just back from serving in Iraq.

A good read.

evariste,

Thanks again!

The IDF did the one effective thing to the family of the suicide bomber, they destroyed physical property. They have no value for their lives or their childrens, lives = cannon fodder. But physical property like land, trees and buildings have vast unlimited value.
But since she most likely did not own the building she lived in, the entity empowered to put a roof over her head will most likely move her into a newer and larger building. In other words, here's your reward for treachery ma. :)

The IDF did the one effective thing to the family of the suicide bomber, they destroyed physical property.

They could have killed her. And frankly, no one's giving them any points for not killing her.

I really don't see how this is 'the one effective thing'.

It's amazing to me, this woman was conspiring to blow up her daughter or grand-daughter. And she has 'effectively' been given a traffic ticket for the cost of her hovel.

Child = hovel ??

#141.
Your point is a very important one. The most effective thing the US can do is to overhall the education system in Iraq - literally write the books (as unliberal as this may sound) and force other Arab countries to adopt these books in their education system as well as a precondition to US aid and or/defence (Egypt, Malaysia, Suadi Arabia etc.).

a bit OT... but here we go.

American indians,
The name most tribes had for other tribes often roughly translated as "Not-people" or "Half-people"

The Sioux, like so many other tribes on both Americas were not native to the land that the white men eventually took from them. Nearly all tribes tended to migrate over long periods of time, taking land from other tribes through warfare.

When warriors from other tribes were captured in battle they were taken back and tortured over as many days possible. The thinking went that the tougher the prisoner was, well than means that since I captured him Im even tougher! Ive read that this often took place in the upper plains and ohio valley.. perhaps elsewhere.

Early on, during the first contact with spanish exporers-invaders small pox and other childhood diseases common in Europe but unknown in the Americas swept thru all native populations again and again. More natives died from these alien pathogens than ever died at the hands of European weapons by several orders of maginitude. As a consiquence many white settlers found their land largely empty.

There are as many native people alive today as there were when the Santa Maria first made landfall in 1492.

Those pretty pryamids tourists love to visit while in Mexico, they were used to as altars of human sacrifice, places where untold tens or even HUNDRED's of thousands of still beating hearts were ripped from the bodies of men and women.

All of this doesnt diminish the terrible things the white man did to the indians but it should be taught along side all of the white mans "crimes" to show that although there were the vicitims of war, there were hardly innocent!

In truth , it every inch of land was returned to its original owner then all of modern man would be living in the great rift valley of east africa and the rest of the globe would be returned to Neanderthal man!

Lests just all agree that people are living where they are living and no one will engage in the ugliness of land theft anymore. Build a fricken GREAT WALL OF CHINA wall along the Green Line and never let there be contact betwix the Israelis and the Pale's ever again. If you cant live in peace then live apart !!!

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What you need to know about Rama-Kandra before you see Revolutions...

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You are looking at the world without time."

The Oracle, Matrix Reloaded

What does it mean to look at the world without time? What does time have to do with the Matrix Trilogy?
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ot ,but mighty annoying anyway...
As if we Israelis dont have ENOUGH of hot warnings of impending terrorist attacks around our necks daily, shootings, kassam rockets being fired at sderot, and other assorted goodies,we are now facing a huge massive country -stopping strike.
Sheeesh, give us a friggin break!!!
W e stood in a queue thirty people deep to get money out of the machine, if you have a car its a 2hour long wait for gas , ( and it doesn't start, this strike, till tomorrow) no busses trains garbage, and hospitals on " night " hours.. only ones happy ar ethe kids,, apparently school begins at 9 tomorrow( all Israelis reading take not of that)
of course all this is planned when my in - laws are arriving from England on weds for a long awaited visit .. ben gurion will close down tommrorrow form 8 am...grrr... sometimes ,wish i lived on the moon. i really really do... Amir peretz and Bibi,, thank you , ya manyakim.

How will the strike affect you?
By TAL MUSCAL

Should the Histadrut and Finance Ministry negotiations fail, the planned general strike will take effect from Monday morning.

*All government ministries, and their designated
agencies will remain closed. These include:

Interior Ministry, Employment Services, National Insurance Institute, Israel Land Administration, Licensing Bureau, Income Tax Authority, Customs & VAT Division.

*Local Authorities will not collect trash, hand out parking fines or offer public hours.

*Government hospitals will operate on a Shabbat or
holiday schedule, already on Sunday.

*Ben Gurion Airport will experience severe delays
leading into a complete suspension of take offs and landings at Israel's main gateway.

*Aviation Services Ltd. will not provide jet fuel for planes at Ben Gurion Airport.

*TASHAN- Oil and Energy Infrastructure Ltd. will halt supply of fuel to gas stations, causing a shortage within five days.

*BAZAN- Oil Refineries Lt. Workers will walk off the job, causing disruptions in refining of fuel.

*Port workers will disrupt unloading and loading of vessels.

*Israel Electric workers will not repair downed lines.

*Mekorot Water Corporation workers will not repair
breakdowns in water supply.

*Dan and Egged Bus cooperative services will be
disrupted.

*Israel Railways will not provide train service.

*Bezeq employees will not fix disruptions, nor will 144 assistance be available.

*Postal Authority will not distribute mail.

*Most branches of Israel's commercial banks will be closed.

*Public Works Department (Maatz) will not repair
damages to road infrastructure.

*Israel Broadcasting Authority will suspend broadcasts on most of its radio stations except Reshet Bet 95.5FM.

*Naamat, Wizo and Emunah day care facilities will have shortage of staff.

*Public cultural institutions will be closed.

#148 lizzy
What's the strike all about? Government workers not getting what they want?

Lizzy-sounds like too much fucking socialism to me.

b #122 - Sunday attacks probably have more to do with Friday prayers than 'Meet the Press'.

OT, we lost hundreds of CH-47s during Viet Nam. Hundreds. The CH-47 Chinook isn't some lumbering chopper either; it is about as fast as an Apache, much faster than Blackhawk / Kiowa.

Lizzy
I hear you, my Israeli friend.
These morons on the left, led by Peres- the dinasour- live in a friggin vacuum. They don't seem to register the threats that Israel is under.. they just go along pretending to be France or Germany, behaving like Israel is some normal country which can allow itself to dabble in socialist ideals.
MORONS! they should be arrested for treason.

I still don't understand why Bibi gets called a manyak.

HELP!
Does anybody know what happend to [Link: www.f*ckfrance.com?...]

sheesh, the glass is always half full with these people. This lady seems to be forgetting that her house will be waiting for her when she gets to Paradise, packed with 72 lucious white raisins!

All your moon are belong to us.

Andy #21 - "because Neil Armstrong first set foot on the moon, that territory by right belongs to Americans?"
lizzy #148 - "wish i lived on the moon"

tomcat, it looks like they've just moved to a new server. I'm sure they'll be back to normal by tomorrow afternoon.

#157 evariste

Thanks, that's what I was thinking and hoping.

Well, thank goodness the woman in the picture has the correct headware on. From an article in the Arab News, From Burqa to Bikini:

A Reuters report on the first Afghan woman to participate in a beauty pageant in 30 years splashed the following title: “Afghan Beauty Trades Burqa for Bikini...”

...What does this young women hope to achieve by her participation? Well, the report quotes the 25-year-old as saying: “I would like to make people aware that as Afghan women, we are talented, intelligent and beautiful.” Now, how parading half-naked on a stage can achieve that, I have no idea. Whatever happened to common sense and good old-fashioned hard work?

I should think so, too! There's even a picture of the woman concerned. It doesn't show her hands, so you can't see whether she matches up to the loveliness of the hard-working Palestinian woman. (It's the hard work that makes them big)

146

If this was in response to my post, we are in agreement, not disagreement. However, there are differentiations.

1. We have a semi-accurate historical record of the deceit and conquest by Islamic tribes. There is no such record in existance in North America. What we have to go on is an educated guess that they were migratory Asians that came here on foot during the last ice age.

2. The current conflict in the Middle East is one conceived of largely on racial lines, perhaps as much as religous/cultural ones. True, Native Americans surely went against one another on similar lines, but the racial/religous components were but two in a vast array of issues that were within the sphere of local tribal power plays.

3. Nation states, albeit artificial ones created by Euro-colonists post-WW1, provide the current clash in the ME a thouroughly modern context. The Israeli tragedy has been much worse because of the Holocaust, Nasser's aim at dominance, the Cold War ('67), and the rise of the internal combustion engine. No such equivalents exist in the Native American intertribal battles, and in large part, until the United States consolidated the lands, the Native Americans were either ignored or treated as pawns in battles for existing territories between the Euros and the US.

Anyhow, you likely know all this. All it goes to show, however, is that the idea that fighting amongst oneselves in North America, then the United States transferring them does not serve as a fruitful parralel for analysis beyond an illustration of how people are basically horrible to one another. But again, that is obvious.

Paul

Her... hands. Her horrible hands!

MUTATION!!! UNCLEAN!!! We must purge the earth with fire!

Evil Otto (#161),

LOL! But true. We must learn to think in 12th century terms if were are to win a war against a 12th century opponent.

Tingly

Deathberg-all copies have been destroyed...yeah right! lol

Think positive, Evil Otto, #161:

with those hands, she should have the house rebuilt in hours.

(#163) Deathberg:

I went to elementary school there, and my little brother and sister are in 2nd grade at that school.

Looks like my dad might have to have some unexpected parenting to do. I don't envy him in needing to have that discussion.

That photo goes into the Palistinian child abuse album, right?

On a related note…

Oops… wrong link.

Here we go.

Life is hard. Life is a bitch when you support terrorists.

Oh. my. G-d, Korora

"This is an insulting announcement because it deals with a people whose mouth does not water in the face of financial temptations."

Mocking them is almost pointless.

OT

Will any of you with faith please thank your God for me, for email and instant messaging.

Thank you.

#163 deathberg

I'll bet allah still has a copy, and he feels funny in his pants right now.

Korora (#168)

I read that earlier today. Important to note the last paragraph:

The PA media has accused Israel of standing behind the attack on the American convoy with the aim of driving a wedge between the Palestinian Authority and the US. Senior PA officials have also accused Israel in private of being responsible for the attack.

Is there anything that the Jews aren't blamed for?

#173 zulubaby

Led Zepplins last album, Coda.

#125 RC neo-Jew

Jeremy Bowen and the Correspondent team travel to Palestine to investigate Yasser Arafat's commitment to peace and find out why the US and Israeli presidents will no longer negotiate with him.

Well, I'll be... The Beeb speaks the same tongue as al-Arabya.

#140 RC neo-Jew

Someone called Gideon Levy is on, now. Is he a Haaretz journalist?

Yeah. Is he as irritating on TV as he is in print?

evariste - could you direct me to a page of Arab swear words? They might be handy :-)

Actually, scrap that. I'll Google. Sorry.

lol-OK. That was gonna be my suggestion too.

If you can't find anything good let me know and I'll email you some.

William "the Weasal" Arkin in MSNBC right now.

justdanny (#174)

That's it!?

As far as I know Michael Jackson isn't a Zionist plot. But I may be wrong on this.

#178 evariste

If you can't find anything good let me know and I'll email you some.

My mind skipped a step :-)

Instead of dead Israeli Jews we have homeless Paleo-Muslims. They go off easy I say. Isarel should make scores of Paleostinian families homeless after each terror attack.

Colt, after a quick google I superficially like this page. (That's the Google cache version, they appear to be offline for server maintenance). I have issues with a lot of their pronunciations but it's a good list overall.

Andy- To answer your questions, no I am not the troll that has been deleted from the thread. And no I am not from DU. I am simply a person that thinks Islam sucks. I think in today's world, that is a very rational and healthy conclusion to come to. I am still waiting for anyone to give me a good reason not to come to this conclusion, but so far I have not heard a single argument for the religion of "peace" bit that makes me discount 9/11, Bali, Kobar, Kenya, Israel, Moscow, Kashmir, Munich Olympics, Indonesian moonbats, and on and on and on. Please please please convince me that I am wrong. I desperately want to live in a world where there IS hope for Islam as a peaceful religion. That is a better world than then one I think we are really in. Until then, ISLAM SUCKS!

A few handy Arabic phrases translated to English -- in case you're ever kidnapped by terrorists.

FEKR GABUL CARDAN DAVAT RAEH GUSH DIVAR.= I am delighted to accept your kind invitation to lie down on the floor with my arms above my head and my legs apart.

TIKEH NUNEH BA OB KHRELEH BEZORG VA KHRUBE GOYAST INO BERGERAM.= The water-soaked bread crumbs are delicious, thank you. I must have the recipe.

LOL!

#184 evariste

The guy I have in mind to use these on is Egyptian, if that makes a difference (pronunciation-wise).

#184 evariste

According to that link, "Fatah" also means "Foreskin", which is "considered a grave insult".

:-)

None of those are really Arabic, just FYI. Funny though!

#175 Colt

This site has Arab and Persian swear words. Though, they appear to be down right now.

swear words

Yeah, I don't think that one is true, for instance. Fatah means "Opening" or "dawning". It's also the name of one of Arafat's terror gangs. I don't know the word for foreskin but that isn't it.

"This is an insulting announcement because it deals with a people whose mouth does not water in the face of financial temptations."

Okay, then give us the information for free. AND FAST, YOU MORON!

Hmm. Ok, I'll bear that in mind.

Yeah, Arafat's Fatah means "conquest". It'd be good if it meant "foreskin" as well. Ah well.

#190 Ms. Andi

I bookmarked it, and I'll have a look every so often to see if it comes back. Thank you :-)

News on BBC ceefax that a missile has brought down a chinook with 17 US dead. Reports of Iraqis dancing on the remains of the helipcopter.

Perhaps if the Zionists would cease the ongoing colinzation of historically Arab land they might not want to blow themselvs up.

Nothing exists more vile then the actions of a humilated people with no hope and only dispair.

You live 40 years under a brutal occupation and then come talk to me.

Rob

#195 DP

MSNBC has details, including footage of jihadis from Fallujah dancing around the wreckage.

Can somebody look at that picture again... is it me, or she wearing leather hotpants?! Must be the influence of that Jew-doll barbie.

P.S
I really do feel bad judging her for her fashion mistakes at such a terrible time in her life (with her husband's career dreams vanishing and all) but I just had to ask.

You live 40 years under a brutal occupation and then come talk to me.

Everyone do as Rob says: do not talk to him for 40 years.

Oh dear, Rob is here to enlighten us.

#196 Rob

You live 40 years under a brutal occupation and then come talk to me

Does being married for 9 years count?

I could jinx you here too, Colt, but I won't :-)

Robs' site starts with a quote from Chomsky and goes downhill fast from there.

Please, fortheloveofgod, someone tell me how Mr. Holland's Opus ends.

andrew (#201)

LOL!

#202 zulubaby

Nah, I don't mind if you jinx me.

Please, fortheloveofgod, someone tell me how Mr. Holland's Opus ends

Everyone dies? I got nothin'.

Hey Rob! Nice site. Why don't you come over and play MY guitar for a couple of hours. Musicians are hot!

o.k Rob,
Even with your shades on, you cannot pretend to believe that Jews know nothing about being occupied (Romans, Turks, Brits, Mufti this and that - you name it) and suffering in general (Romans, Greeks, Germans, Mufti this, Mufti that).

Now let's take a good look at what the Jews did: They fought to SURVIVE and THRIVE and PROTECT their children, DEVELOPED, CREATED, READ a few books and did good in the world.
It's a question of NATIONAL CHARACTER, not CIRCUMSTANCES.

#206 andrew

It's an LGF "in joke", that I still don't understand.

It is amazing, though. The Jews are, the Buddhists aside, the most peaceful people on the planet. The Arabs have been killing non-Arabs and each other for centuries.

Who's to blame? The Jews.

#204 zulubaby
Thank you very much! I'll be here all week! Try the veal!
sorry...I always wanted to say that.

Rob thinks Charles doesn't keep an IP log.

On the topic of file sharing apps (131 & 132)
Has anyone encountered Earth Station 5 which seems to be based in the refugee camp in Jenin?

#213 english bloke

From your link:

The main office is in the Palestinian refugee camp Jenin, chosen as much for defensive purposes as for practicality (several founders are Palestinians). Legally they’re operating out of what’s essentially a no man’s land of chaos, where according to Taylor enforcement resources aren’t usually extended to cover intellectual property disputes and even if they were, copyrights don’t extend to non-Palestinian owned content. The owners are confident the physical location alone protects them from expensive and distracting legal assaults but they claim they’ve incorporated robust defenses in the software as well.

Sounds like the IDF should go close them down. The law is the law, after all.

TA,

Silly me, I hadn't realized that national oppression gave free license to perpetuate the same oppression.

And BTW, jews under occupation, adopted tactics that could be defined as terrorism.

Honestly, i have no love for ANYONE that kills civillians or other non-combatants. Including the zionist IDF. thats the difference between you and me. Basic moral consistencey.

Rob

earthstation5 is garbage software. It's got spyware, and it crashes machines. Who would trust software written by Palestinians fer chrissake!
And their site is the gayest thing I have ever seen!

Basic moral consistencey.

LMAO!

Colt (#209),

It inspires both:

Summary: this movie makes me want to barf

This is one of my least favorite movies ever: a movie geared towards people who don't really know anything about music, and as such, reveals its complete stupidity to those who do. It's the story of Mr. Holland, a cranky guy who's not a very good teacher, not a very good musician, not a very good husband and not a very good father. HE HAS NO REDEEMING QUALITIES!

He works for his whole life on this "OPUS," and when it finally gets performed, it's god-awful. How can you work on music composition your whole life, and still have no talent for it? Is it possible? Well, in the movies, anything's possible.

Then there's the pointless Rowena subplot, which culminates in a gripping scene where Richard Dreyfuss's wife reads Rowena's name on a program and makes a stern, disapproving face. You'll be glued to your seat.

Mr. Holland "touches the lives" of all these students...and each life he touches is ruined! He tells the cute redhead to play the sunset; she becomes a miserable politician. He gives Rowena "voice coaching" (is that what the kids are calling it now?); she runs away, never to be seen again. He hits that football player on the head with a bass drum beater to teach him about rhythm; HE DIES!

What's up with that scene where the hearing-impaired people "appreciate" music by watching idiotic flashing lights? They're deaf, not stupid!

So, if you like movies that are just ill-conceived vehicles for 60s pop rock montages and scene after scene of Richard Dreyfuss being a jerk, run out and see this one! (And be sure to cross lots of busy highways on foot enroute to your local theater or video store.)

AND

Summary: Richard Dreyfuss' Opus

I first saw this movie on video in late 1996, I was 19 years old and I thought that I would hate it. What kind of sappy, sentimental crap was this? Why should I like it? Well, I'll tell you. Its because this is the story of a man's life work and how he made a difference in the lives of those people around him. I think that some day many years from now we would all like to look back and say that we made the difference in the life of even one person. Dreyfuss gives us the performance of a lifetime as the titular Mr. Holland. Watching him transform from a frustrated, half-hearted, hot-headed young teacher to a man of wisdom, compassion and caring is a wonderous sight to behold. His battles with his hearing impaired son pull at your very heart strings. Mr. Holland is a man we all know and love, he might not have been your music teacher but he/she was someone special in your life that made a difference in your education. I was lucky enough to have a multitude of great teachers just like Mr. Holland that changed my life and made me appreciate the great place a teacher holds in our society today. Mr. Holland's Opus might be silly and sentimental but I can't help but love this movie. I'm not ashamed to say that I cry big crocodile tears everytime I watch it. This movie hits you right where it feels good, it makes you proud to have shared this experience. You were there to watch him grow and become the stuff of legend. You were there for Mr. Hollands Opus, no, you were there for Richard Dreyfuss' Opus. Because in the end the real opus is not his music but his effect on the lives of his students. Now thats beautiful music.

Only a truly amazing movie can do that. ;-)

Basic moral consistencey.

Oh yeeeah! LOL.

#151 B. reactionary - All helos are lumbering vis a vis a SAM; also, I'm not sure where you get that a CH-47 is faster than the H-60 - I'm pretty sure it's not.

As to Rob, I've noticed that the average splodey dope is a lot younger than 40, which of course makes it hard to use the 40 year occupation excuse. Besides, I wonder if Rob ever questions why the Palestinians in those camps in Lebanon don't blow up Lebanese busses for the Lebanese forcing them to live in squalor, if he thinks the "occupation" is a legit reason.

#218 Geepers

Ok, I'm halfway there. Why does it get brought up around trolls? They're not exactly amazing.

Rob, fuck off, you stupid ass. Take Alex Cockblister and Noam Chimpsky with you.

Thanks for the info, evariste.
I wasn't really thinking of using it. I just thought the location was interesting.
Did you see this page of their site?

Doug-yeah! And how come the Lebanese aren't blowing up Syrian buses?

Interesting. Rob seems to suffer from the delusion that Ariel Sharon is both Lebanese and Christian.

I do love how this can think thoughts like this. Nothing like the hatred, ignorance and sense of superiority it takes to make today's liberals tick.

english bloke-yeah, it's probably bullshit...They also claim that they have 70 developers and millions in funding. Slim chance.

#224 evariste

Or Palestinians on Jordanian buses? Or Copt Christians on Egyptian buses?

Oh, great find Model4! Rob, you're busted, you're just another stupid stinky hippie. Fuck off.

"thats the difference between you and me. Basic moral consistency"

Rob,

The difference between you and me is that your head is stuck in your ass and mine is not.

There is no "the same". First of all, the Palestinian living conditions are 10 times better than most people living in the Arab world. There is no equivelence between the genocide that Jews have experienced through history and the inconviniences and frustrations of the Palestinian population who were expelled from Egypt and Jordan.
Look at the woman in the picture, her HOUSE was destroyed - since when do refugees have houses?
You have been influenced by the bullshit media. Drive through the West Bank - you would be shocked to see how good those animals have it.

#81 Ratbert

Actually, Hagar, when Ishmael was dying of thirst (and before He, for His Ineffable Reasons, rescued them), removed herself from the fellow, some say in Talmud because she found watching him dying "distasteful", but of much greater import, say others - "a distance of two bow-shots!"

Hmmm!

evariste
Yes it all seems a bit dodgy.

Look at the woman in the picture, her HOUSE was destroyed - since when do refugees have houses?

That's one hell of a point.

The PA will probably build her a new one, anyway.

Rob
Define Israeli occupation...
Define Israeli oppression...

I don't see it. I see defensive reaction and justified retaliation against suicide attacks by cultists bent on driving all Jews out of Israel. Occupation is a joke, oppression even more so. The Palestinians have seethed themselves into a frenzy that has infected the whole Paly population and is being force fed into the youngest of them. They perpetuate generation after generation of lies about absurd Israeli practices that fuels the hatred that we witness in their chants, parades, propaganda films, etc. No sympathy here for this cult of hate and outright murder. You delude yourself when you try to apply moral equivalency to this situation.

That ulullating harpy would look good in handcuffs.

Allowing her scumbag son to keep a bomb under her grand daughter's bed. If there was true justice in this world, she should be summarily executed, along with her scumbag son and any other DNA she has spread.

The grand child should be taken away and given to a nice Jewish or Christian family, who value children more than cold blooded murder.

Witch.

Oh, sorry , I'm not tolerant of her "culture" How un-PC of me.

#232 Colt: Amen, and to whomever made the original comment (very late to the thread). Electricity, running water, paved roads, tv and radio broadcast stations, police, elected authorities, privately owned homes and businesses. "Refugee camps" my ass. Brings us back to the other thread and which side abuses the language for manipulative purposes.

#215 Rob

Before you come here and shoot your mouth off and show everyone how dumb you are, read some history. During armed conflicts, EVERBODY kills non-combatants. Both as collateral damage and on purpose to reduce the enemy's morale.

See: WII: USAF fire bombing of Japan
British bombing of Dresden
German bombing of England

American Indian Wars, Etc, etc.

#215, Rob

More like Basic Moral Constipation.

The Germans and the Allies both killed civilians in WWII. No difference? Judgments, moral and other, need to be informed AND nuanced. Up to you to get there.

Model 4-yup! What the hell kind of refugee camp is that?!
Infidel Kaffir, look at my new nick :-)
Time for more beer. Be right back.

#236, Engineer

Vow--only a minute apart. Too many today have Henry Ford's view of history. As the Brits would say: Pity.

Oh this is neato. I'm goona bookmark this page. You kids are more fun then the freepers, dumber too.

It took less then 45 minutes before the insults and the "liberal" label were unleashed.

Funny lot you...sad...but funny.

#235 Model4

Brings us back to the other thread and which side abuses the language for manipulative purposes.

That, for me, is the single most disgusting thing about the left. If they want to believe this, that and the other are fine, go with that. But don't goddamn lie about what it is and what it isn't.

#175 Colt

The BBC is not, I repeat not, most emphatically not guilty of bias when it comes to the subject of Palestine and the Zionist-occupied bit, stolen from Arabs who have lived there from the time of Adam and Eve, who were Palestinians, by the way, known as Israel. How dare you suggest that the BBC is biased. It is innocent, I tell you, innocent!

It is as innocent as a - a - (thinks desperately) - I know! As a Palestinian woman whose house has been destroyed for some trivial reason like a bomb belt under the baby's cot. Poor Palestinian woman! Poor BBC!

And Gideon Levy and the Israeli peace-person were a sad pair. Talk about heads buried in the sand.

Have you ever tried writing to the BBC about their prejudice against Israel, by the way? You get a pageful of denial in response - sometimes several pages.

Colt,

I think it was originally meant as way to have a conversation about an inane subject that would deflect the conversation away from the troll so they would think that this wasn't a serious blog and go away, as you know now its grown into its own self referential topic, actually it might be better to try a different approach in which we present any number of other interesting methods of demonstrating the pleonasm, or redundant sentence, which is to simply say nothing over and over again. This may be done by repeating empty syntax or patterning the fruitless exercise along an aesthetic direction that leads only to circular, solipsistic verbal statements which contain literally nothing but their own self-referential quantitative reality. The illusion of qualitative content may, of course, be demonstrated by the elaboration of an idea that is not actually present, like here.

I hit post before I finshed:

The cold war standoff was the USA and the USSR treating to kill the other’s civilians. MAD-Mutual Assured Destruction – would have killed millions of civilians.

It is societies that make war, not just the ones that do the fighting.

Killing the enemy's civilians works, that why it is done.

Colt and other Brits:
Did you see the Mail on Sunday today?
Some stuff about Michael Howard, including his family background and an article based on the TV program about the last white family on the street that Ginger Liz mentioned a few days ago.

yoohoo rob- have i got a girl for you!! she was here yesterday and what a lovely lass she was-really into masturbation and such-her name is janis cowlin!! i think you two would make a fine pair!

#246 mikeymom

NO, NO - they might breed!!

OT, but I could use some help. Information/links regarding the Israel-9/11 "connection." In order to respond to this: [Link: ww1.sundayherald.com...] posted on another thread. Google's a bitch, and LGF search provides way too many hits, unless I'm not doing it right?

You kids are more fun then the freepers, dumber too. It took less then 45 minutes before the insults and the "liberal" label were unleashed.

Was that really Rob, or a parody post? I mean, rational people don't label and insult others to chide them for labeling and insulting, right?

#246
it's on the other thread now

#247-not to worry-not enuf functional parts, i'm sure!

Fantastic comeback Rob, you literary giant, you. Nothing of substance to say? Depleated all three sentences of knowledge you actually posses on the issue and moved on to the Wiggles weblog.
Such a shame. You are a fantastic debater - no really, you are.

#242 RC neo-Jew

LOL!

No, I've never bothered. I might send one, just to see what they say.

#243 Geepers

LOL!

#245 english bloke

Nope, don't read the Mail at the w/e. I'll glance through it at school, but after their exposes on "Channel Whore", they're hard to take seriously.

You forget that we already know you, you stupid asshole.
Of course we started insulting you right away. Unfortunately, you don't learn from logic. You also apparently don't learn from being shunned and shat upon. Who's stupid? It strikes me that you are, you Rob, in your demonstrated failure to learn from both direct experiential evidence and lucid pedagogy from much better informed parties than your own woefully ignorant, maliciously and aggressively stupid no-spellcheck-using pretentious-britishism-affecting ass.
It also shows what a fucking asshole fucknozzle you are that you chose to respond only to the abuse that is justly aimed your way and not to the respectful discussion that was offered to you by way of reply in several of the comments. It's very telling what you choose to prioritize responding to. It shows that you're here to stir up shit, not to learn anything or have conversations. In light of that, you ass-munching dick-cheese, fuck off.

Geepers-lol! That was great.

Chew on this Rob

And this...

And this...

And this...

Colt (#232)

The PA will probably build her a new one, anyway.

I'm almost positive I originally read about this on Steven Plaut's site but I can't find it now. This is essentially what I read though:

"...The smuggling operation is essentially a family enterprise, report Huberman and Shalom, with several large Gaza families "owning" a piece of the action. They pay families that agree to have a tunnel running from their homes $1,000 each month, and they then sell the weapons that are thus smuggled to the Palestinian Authority. If a tunnel-camouflaging home is destroyed by the IDF, the PA pays generous compensation to the family - and even builds the family a new home in the Tel Sultan neighborhood. Some residents have therefore begun spreading rumors of tunnels in their homes, designed for Israeli ears, so that they can "start all over" with a destroyed home, PA reparations, and a new modern house."

evariste: You claim to already know me?

From where? do tell.

From your previous posts, stupid.

Colt
Yeah I know what you mean. I don't actually buy it.
There was also an interesting ( ;) ) picture of Padma Lakshmi, Salman Rushdie's (ex?) girlfriend.

#254, evariste

English is my second language, so I am particularly intrugued by your:

"ass-munching dick-cheese"

Is it a regional term? A translation from Middle High German? Your own invention? Should one use it only after several Guinnesses? Is there a synonym? Has it ever appeared in a novel?

Good links, Sean II.

#257 zulubaby

The IDF site talks about it here.

#260 english bloke

Hmm. I'll have a Google :-)

observer-the entire phrase isn't a "known insult" so to speak. But "assmunch" describes someone like Rob. So does "dick cheese". So I strung 'em together from my mental list of insults :-) The juxtaposition doesn't make sense as a sentence, it only makes sense because they're both insults. Kind of like how "ass-kissing motherfucking cocksucker" isn't a very good juxtaposition outside of the heat of passionate insult.

Presumaby, observer, you've figured out what the two terms mean individually?

#253 Colt

You might be interested in this material about the BBC.

Catholics in the UK are also getting fed up with the BBC.

I wonder whether any other groups are unhappy with the Beeb?

Brilliant, thanks Colt.

Great links Sean II.
Observer, I was thinking the same about the Dick-cheese... but I think I do like the term.

evariste:

You *know* me from a few posts in ONE thread?

#267 RC neo-Jew

The Torygraph's "Beebwatch"?

#268 zulubaby

Sure.

to rob
poor little rob,, living in some Midwest city probably, trying to acquire some sort of political sophistication based on air and garbage he's seen in the media.
well, kiddo, you just have " stupid people going to a basketball game" to look at on your public transport.
i have people that want to blow me and my two little girls up on our buses... evrytime we go on one, we risk our lives... defend the blowing up of the 20 bus, 2 blocks form my house, killing 4 little girls i taught Art to. these rabid Zionist monster students were 15 years old,, their heinous crime against humanity,, riding the 20 bus to school one morning. along with our 8 year old neighbour, not at a demonstration, not throwing rocks, not being used as a shield by a murder,, for riding the bus. to school, would you be brave enough to ride the 20 bus with me, rob? i hope you tell the Palestinians that work here in Jerusalem that they are so oppressed,, they will laugh in your face, and go about the business of taking care of their families, getting 3 times more from their Israeli employers, getting the best medical care in the middle east in Israeli hospitals, going to Israeli universities,etc.
ive studied in Art school with Palestinians, ive worked with them, ive been in the next bed next to them in the hospital birth ward,and when my little girl was ill, she was in the next bed to Achemd for 2 weeks...achemd waited two years, and than had a Jewish kidney implanted into his Palestinian body,, if his father ever heard your drivel, hed probably punch you out,, Zionist doctors and a Zionist body part donor saved his sons life. the medical satff at haddassah became the second family to him, caring for him with much love.
yesterday,more than 150,000 rabid Zionists took part of a massive peace rally in .. in the name of Yitzhak Rabin... in our brutal oppressive democracy, you can protest openly for whatever cause or political movement you chose. try that in Gaza...
how would you know any of this though , rob.. you look to provincial to have ever gone further than the next town over,, have you ever actually been to Israel? or the west bank? i live in Israel, and have been in the west bank many times before it got to dangerous.i personally invite you to my home in Jerusalem, to see what the ordinary life of Israelis is like,, but you wouldn't do that would you,,, it would smash all of your pre conceived notions,,, base your opinions on knowledge, on experience, and on research,, dont parrot the words of others, dear. that is truly sad.
i am incredibly proud of my countrymen, and of being Israeli.. we are special.

#238 "evariste and his ululating harpy "

Respect! Respect!

Apparently I have mistaken you for another fanatically imbecilic Rob that we have had the misfortune of reading, Rob. You're still fucking stupid.

Hey, It just dawned on me that both the LLL and the French have an dislike for good hygiene. What gives?

#266, evariste

Oh yeah. Appropriate, maybe a touch of overkill for a featherweight.

yes, you are lizzyv...you, your family, and your countrymen are a lot more special than ignorant cowards like Rob.

#272 lizzy

Nicely done :-)

What is your native tongue, if I may ask?

doug #220 - "I'm not sure where you get that a CH-47 is faster than the H-60"
Memory.
But check this out for confirmation (CH-47 goes 170 knots; UH-60 goes 142 knots):
[Link: www.fas.org...]

We agree that SAM's are bad for helicopters.

Hi lizzy motek!

(That last question was for observer).

#272 lizzy

It is too bad that these kind of stories are not on the news every day!

Hang in there Lizzy, it will get better.

lizzyv:

Sorry you're living on stolen land they're a tad angry about that. But hey its yours now. The zionists took it fair and square. Perhaps if the Zionists stopped annexing more and more land i.e. "settlements", and withdrew from land they've been occupying for 40 years, let the palestinians have some hope and a chance at future, mayhaps if the IDF stopped blowing up homes, maybe they'll stop murdering you folks.

Just a thought anyway.

Lizzy - You go girl. Kol Hakavod!

Answer that Rob. Please please please answer. I enjoy trolls. You bring out the best in all of us and strengthen our convictions.

Rob...Forget it...

rob can start educating himself a bit with these

[Link: jerusalemfoundation.org...]
[Link: www.newsoftheday.com...]
[Link: www.honestreporting.com...]
hi zulu, eversite, colt and evryone! kiss!
i am redesigning an educational game for an english company, and have had to do 120 flash animations,, almost done and almost blind! ill be back regularly soon!
nighty night all!

kiss kiss, layla tov lizzy!

let the palestinians have some hope and a chance at future

So offering a state, for example?

And is "mayhaps" really a word?

You bring out the best in all of us and strengthen our convictions.

So true. Also prevents us from eating our own.

#270 Rob

You *know* me from a few posts in ONE thread?

Well, that and from your ridiculous website which is replete with your moronic commentary, and which you've recently decided to cease linking to from here. That's OK. We'll see that you get a few more hits today.

Everything I need to know about Rob, I learned at:

[Link: robfindlay.org...]

Read it and weep. It's so sad that such delusion, ignorance, and haterd is still produced in the good old USA.

#287 lizzy

Good to hear from you. Stay well :-)

#284:

Just a thought anyway

No, it is not. You lack the thought-generating organ, worm.