That's one sick "broad".

Hopefully, this particular "rosemary's baby's spawn" will rot in hell, very soon.

Someone needs to shoot that over to Drudge...

This "Broad" and "Grandmother from hell" should get together have tea and coffee. I'm sure they would have a lot in common, besides just being butt ass ugly...

That's the contemporary Left for you - no brains, no conscience, no mercy. Nothing left but body odor and fascism - and fascism is exactly the word for these people.

Glen Wishard-Am I the only person who thinks "Communist" is a deadly insult? :-)

Her B.O.B. (Battery Operated Boyfriend) must be on the fritz.

Democraticunderground Hits Bottom, Digs

The "broad's" head continues to spin:

They are beginning to turn on him. Right there these people did not die in vain. If he can sweep this under the carpet many more will die under his next four years and his brother's following eight years...and many more will wish they were dead. These GI's are fighting for the very survival of this nation...they just don't know it. They aren't fighting this idiotic terror crap. It's the total of their deaths that might make enough Americans vote these animals out...

The orderlies need to put her straightjacket back on.

She could have a very rewarding career with the Egyptian Press.

Incontrovertible evidence that the Democrat party does not give a flying flip about national security. Their only interest is in trying to undermine the Iraq war for their own political interests, safety of our families be damned.

This gold-plated evidence that the "principled" anti-war hysteria coming from the Democrat party is all politically driven, coming straight from the Democrat party!

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

This needs to be shoved so far up Jay Rockefeller's ass he can wear it for a bowtie.

#3 Titus:

I get it over to LGF and let nature take its course ... BTW, some of the usual DU suspects have arrived. Pay special attention to DuctapeFatwa, Nostamj, thebigidea . . . if this stays open for another hour 3 or 4 more of the regulars will pop in and Israel/Sharon/Likud/PNAC/AIPAC/BFEE/etc. will be brought up and blamed.

Just watch.

What can you do with these people? Ships sail around the world, but the Flat Earth Soceity will still flourish.

Hey, at least she's honest. Just as I'm tired of hearing that Islam is a religion of peace, I'm tired of hearing that the far left is the "loyal" opposition. They're nothing of the sort. They're the very definition of "Un-American".

So she's out in the open. Hurray! Maybe we can get her a group rate with Alec Baldwin on a one-way ticket to the third-world paradise she so desires.

It reminds me of what Daniel Moynahan said: "The Soviets keep trying to steal our technology, like its a secret. Its not a secret; its a system." People like this woman seem to think they can replace the freedom and capitalism we have with a socialist utopia. Instead, they'll wind up with a cesspool of their own creation. I say send them overseas where they can't do us any harm.

It's locked ... lasted exactly 53 minutes.

Somebody must have been keeping tabs on LGF, because the moderator just prudently locked the thread.

It is obscene, Barbie Bush, how other sons (of much nobler blood) have to die to save us from your Rosemary's Baby spawn and his ungodly cohorts.

I get the impression that she thinks members of the military are just little unknowing sheep being led to a slaughter...so far from the truth. Little does she know how much an Enlisted, Non Commission and Commission Officers know about politics and National Security. They are well aware why they are there. She refers to them almost as third persons. That is what bothers me most about this statement.

Before I even read through that screed I saw the one word in all capitals and I knew exactly what it was going to be all about.

WASP.

Which leads me to a point of confusion. I simply cannot grasp the message of the far left. One day it's those wacky zionists and their jewish overlords ruling this adminstration by proxy, the next day it's the White Anglo Saxon Protestant Males.

#11 Jheka

To be honest, I don't hang around DU. I find even short visits there to be soiling.

The uberMorlocks impotent rage continues:

if things are *PERCEIVED* as going "WELL" in Iraq, we will have endless BUSHCO. they've gone way to far already. four more years might make it irreversible.

and America is OVER. the FASCISM is already here.

it is already HERE.

And check out this whopper:

I don't think you are going to get any "waking up" until there are F-16s firing missiles into white suburban cul-de-sacs, which we will not see probably for another year.

Absolute deranged shtoopidity. No wonder it's locked.

Paging Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr Howard!

If threads like that don't make you sick, check out the DUMB's (Democratic Underground Message Board) Israel/palestinians forum, where every Jew-hating moonbat "progressive" can sound off about how evil Israel is to their disgusting hearts' contents.

Forgot the link:

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

Leave all intelligence behind, ye who click that link.

the term "broad" is offensive

Allah cannot deny that this post has given him that old sentimental feeling in his pants again. You know, kufr, when the mujahedeen discover a Fifth Column in their ranks, they round up the offenders, take them out back and hit them with a stick until they stop squirming. Just a little advice for you from the creator of worlds.

Meanwhile, the latest mailing from that jihadi Yahoo Group, daleel_almojahid

--

i know that alot of inecent people and muslims are within these citys but you have to understand that this is a war your goverment had started, they have killed more than 2,000,000 muslims in the past 12 years alone, 500,000 kids died in iraq since 1990!!! what would you do if 2,000,000 americans died from muslims who are just attacking for money and oil and more wealth to thier country!!i dont know how you expect us to react.!

alot of people asked me how much more time is there..i can only tell you get out as soon as you can.

this is a war.

alaah akbaar
daleel_almojahid

#19 Spiny Norman

You quoted from some moonbatty source,

I don't think you are going to get any "waking up" until there are F-16s firing missiles into white suburban cul-de-sacs, which we will not see probably for another year.

Wait a secon, I thought it was mighty whitey who RAN the country, all those WASPs and whatnot...? The evil Jooos must have just wrestled back control.

OT - If anybody wants a cool, authentic ROMAN name to celebrate the foundational bases of our Western civilisation, feel free to email me, and let me know if you want to be Patrician or Plebeian!

#22 pink cream fromunda cheese
"Broad" is a quote.

Heh, heh

This thread is inflammatory

And this is different from any other DU thread, how?

pink cream cheese,
the way it was explained to me, the term "broad" used to be a female compliment of "dude" before feminists objected.

...What's up with the images they post? Absynth? Pirate flags? Is that appropriate for political discussion, or do I just not get their humor?

An old ugly 58 year old Dem broad who is badly in need of some sex. So there! Ignore her and anyone who doesn't speak out against the drivel she posted.

Otherwise, it's been a perfect day in paradise!

Mmmm...

Cream Cheese

/Homer Simpson

Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus,

Do you have something like a Random Roman Name Generator program? Cool.

Personally fond of Naughtius Maximus...

#14 Jheka

It's locked ... lasted exactly 53 minutes.

Not to worry. There's a new one up already.

defending Starpass, and supporting Iraqi resistance...

Slightly O/T:

Two days ago I was driving near my home when I drove by the main city police station and criminal courthouse. The SUV (Nissan Pathfinder) in front of me had a "Free Palestine!" bumper sticker. As I pulled up alongside, I noticed that there was a picture of a boy throwing a rock at a tank with "End the Occupation" writtn under it. This was in the rear window. Then I noticed two really odd things:

1. The driver was a (excuse the phrasing) dead ringer for Rachel Corrie. I mean, EXACTLY like the picture of her that the LLL likes to distribute (blonde, pretty, scarf ... you know the one). Thinking back, it must have either been part of a LLL halloween outfit (this was Sunday, Nov. 2) or a general homage to St. Rachel.

2. The front seat passenger (there were 4-5 people in the SUV) was cleaning out her pot pipe (well, probably pot).

I remembered that I was perhaps 3 blocks from the police station. I had a phone. I hope they enjoyed the accomodations and the walk home.

I taught him how to turn washer and dryer and refrigerator boxes into forts for him and his friends.
I taught him how music can tell stories if you listen close to the words, you can hear them.
I taught him how to pick up the puppy correctly so that it would'nt get hurt and want down.
I taught him how to wear his baseball glove with his first finger out so that the fastballs would'nt burn.
I taught him how to adjust the spokes on his bike to get his tire balanced after he would warp it on the curb.
I taught him how to move the wings up or back on the balsa airplane gliders to change their flight path.
I taught him that getting mad at people just because they don't like you just gives them what they want.

He is'nt my son or my brother. He is my nephew. But in every respect besides blood and family tree he is my brother. He holds me in a high regard I do not deserve. He thinks I'm much cooler than I really could be, or any of us really could be. And he's over there.

Trying his best to save the ignorant from the evil. And this lady wants him to die ?

I don't want to but I begin to think a second civil war in America might just be a good idea. There is a filth in this country like I have never known. And illness like this lady would be in the second group to die first.

veebee-I'm so happy Charles doesn't use one of those messageboard systems with all the smilies *shudders
It would be even more annoying if I had to look at some lame-o pictures like the pirate flags! What the hey? Thank goodness Charles has good taste.

I think the post is a fake. Well, as fake as Frankenstein's Monster was. He was put together with a real human torso, limbs and head, if you get my drift. And to many DUers credit, they rose to the occasion.

The problem is that that scenario is exactly what most of them (yes, I soil myself with DU sometimes) wish would happen, just that it would magically happen somehow else. The troops leaving Iraq tomorrow, with Iraq turning into a peaceful and prosperous democracy by Monday would not be acceptable. The coalition (read AmeriKKKa) killing every last terrorist would not be acceptable. The bottom line is the "Bush must pay! must DIIIEEE feel MY pain sonofabitchin' shrub fratboy drunk of a lying theiving REPUG BASTARD!!!" (not an actual quote, but a pretty close approximation, give or take two smiley-face emoticons and a frizzy-haired avatar.

The fact is they all (practically) want it to go horribly wrong in Iraq, because it's worth it to pin it on Bush. Some don't realize the bloodshed and tragedy that will entail for Americans and Iraqis, some do, but won't admit it. But it is all worth it to them.

Check in sometime, but not if you're queasy. The usual sub-topics are just how much they should lie to the "hated knuckledragging southerners" to get their votes, or how they think everyone should shut up and back Clark, because even if he's a Bush-praising GOP fund-raising military man, "he's electable"... feh, it goes on and on. Tonight's fun is Moonves himself saying that "The Reagans" was biased against the family, and the DUers are screaming that the VRWC is keeping the truth locked away.

It's a very unlovely place, but I get some great insights there. DU is a wellspring of hope for our future, because these folks don't have a prayer in hell once exposed to the light of day.

This is really disgusting. What kinda monsters democrats are rooting for our troops to die?

I know several friends and such who got shipped over there, they're okay now but it irks me that someone would actively cheer for them to die, I mean come on, we cheer for people to be free, to be liberated, to be hedged out of power; dying is just an inconvient side-effect of these actions. The purpose of a soldier is not to die for our country, its to do a job for it.

Anyway, thanks for the heads up on this. Really just an example of how ethically bankrupt most democrats are becoming.

Speaking of which, did anyone hear Hannity today? Not to plug him (I don't know the policy here) but he had some hot stuff from some democratic senators saying out loud (in the form of a memo) some things a lot of people have been taken for granted; that they're more concerned with 04 than American security is the overall message.

veebee

...What's up with the images they post?

That's how 16 year olds show each other what cool, hip HTML-gods they are.

veebee-get a load of this. Ugh.

"Rosemary's Baby spawn and his ungodly cohorts"--I thought the LLL and their Islamoseething fellow travellers reserved that epithet for Ariel Sharon. Demonstrating, yet again, that anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism have become virtually indistinguishable.

that's hosted on comcast but one of the DUers is using it as her sig btw.

Well, there is more than one way to be "dead" for your country.

Unfortunately some citizens like this "58 year old broad" (self discprition, not mine) should hasten to her own recommedned position for the good of the country.

[Link: dictionary.reference.com...]

Often Offensive Slang. A woman or girl.

I wouldn't expect a 58yr old woman to use it. that's all.

Well, give the kids some credit. The second thread is rolling right along and none of them have started ranting about Apartheid Israel and Jewish neo-cons (yet). Slow night at the DUMB?

evariste -

Glen Wishard-Am I the only person who thinks "Communist" is a deadly insult? :-)

Same difference. "Fascist" uses fewer letters, though.

The guy with the big picture of Kucinich is my favorite.

Kucinich should seriously appear on Art Bell, er, well George Nooreys show now. It would be fun to hear fellow LLL call in and ask him about the mind control satellites.

Good lord man. Even the neo-nazis at Stormfront don't pray for maximum American casualties. Liberals truly are the scum of the earth.

#31 Spiny Norman

No, I just put my knowledge of Roman history to work (hey, it's gotta be good for something, right?) and put together cool sounding Roman names with a bit of an historical ego booster on the side.

Battle ax, more like.

#34 justdanny

Trying his best to save the ignorant from the evil. And this lady wants him to die?

This is not a lady.

#44 tomme: give it a few minutes ... it's as inevitable as gravity.

How dare Ann Coulter call these people traitors!

That was me guys!!!

#29 Maui Girl

I think you just described Molly Ivins.

I just wonder which of them is the sick monkey behind this abomination. (from LGFer vtrtl)

#29 Maui Girl

I didn't realize Maureen Dowd was 58!

I find it amazing how people like this lunatic can really believe that Bush et al. are complete idiots, yet consistently be outwitted by them at every turn. Of course, she also feels that the American people are collectively stupid. Interesting. I think that history has shown the American public is perhaps the most singly intelligent collective ever, er, collected.

F-16's shooting missiles into MY cul-de-sac? Holy crap! Nobody told me! I think A-10's would do a much better job on my neighborhood, though.

Finally, if there were a civil war, or a domestic insurgency, or whatever these nutters like to dream about, they would be surprised to find themselves outnumber 1000 to 1, by the very same gun toting, simple-minded joe schmoes that they are so quick to dismiss. I'm not hoping for such a thing. But, a small part of me finds the thought entertaining.

Whats with the anti-capitalism? Capitalist society already allows people even to be communists, and prosper at it too. People are free to revoke their individual freedoms and live in religious Communes (treat communism as the religion that it is) and bake bread, farm, whatever and share among each other an equal share and an equal division of labor, even build its own 'net wires free of "trolls" and yadda yadda. Nothing within capitalist society prevents this. Many religious cults have done this throughout US history. Anybody ever heard of the Amish? Are leftys afraid of not looking hip and cool? Too bad.

But what commies are instead trying to envoke is a no-choice, "kill the infidel" system. Hmm, How like their nobelmen. I choose my "cruddy" life and prefer to be an individual, nothings going to change my mind. I am again a kufr.

I think this is a troll.

But I still want to know what this means:

I realize that not every GI Joe was 100peeercent behind Prseeedent Booosh going into this war; but I do know that that is what an overwhelming number of them and their famlies screamed in the face of protesters who were trying to protect these kids.

What the hell does his mean? Who are "these kids"? Are they the people in the military? Not everyone in the military supported Bush, but an "overwhelming number" of them (and their families) insisted that they did?

So, who, exactly, were the brave and noble protesters trying to protect? And when did military families scream things into their faces? And where can we see the video?

I still think this is a troll.

Maui Girl (#29)---I'm working on a blog post spurred on by a discussion on another blog, in which it was suggested---quite seriously---that the country's foreign policy is driven by the "unhealthy sex lives" of top administration officials. I'm arguing that this is a sign of the poverty of serious, rational thought on the Left.

You're not helping.

Update on the thread thus far:

BFEE reference: Check!
PNAC reference: Check!
U.S. Soldiers = Nazis: Double Check!!
Israel, AIPAC, JINSA, SHARON, LIKUD, VRWC: Pending

Why doesnt she just come out and say she supports Islamic terrorism?
She sure beats around the bush(no pun intended) just to say she supports jihad.

#34 justdanny -

Thanks for that. My niece Devin is over there too, a reservist stationed 25 miles outside of Baghdad. As is her fiance Rick. As are a couple of my college drinking buddies.

My guess is that there isn't a single poster on the entire repulsive DU forum that is related to, or even knows, anyone in the military service. Like all good Lefties, they reduce human beings to political abstractions -abstractions that can be (and should be) sacrificed to a greater ideological "good."

As tempting as it is, I won't return the favor and wish death upon these DU shitbags. Mentally they've already flatlined.

#60:

Juvenile, false moral equivalence: Check (several times)

Realization that other people are watching them make asses of themselves: Pending

#59 Angie Schultz

I think this is a troll.

If only. Actually one must be a contributing member to post at DU. Very insular little circle jerk they've got there.

Well, truth be told, they are ALL trolls.

Allusion to Wolfowitz: Check.

This time they need to die in defense of a lie from a lying adminstration to show these ignorant, dumb Americans that Bush is incompetent.

Yep, that's the ticket. Anybody that doesn't agree with her filthy politics is "ignorant and dumb." And filthy she is.

Mark Twain was right about the "damned human race." 75% of them are hateful, nasty bastards. Our 58 year old "broad" from DU proves the point.

There is no longer any doubt that the term Democrat has become synonomous with the term traitor. Those people at DU are unbelievable. They practice politics like a religion, with all the fervor of a Wahabbi Islamist.

#64 Spiny Norman: Bite your tongue, man!! I have over 1,000 posts on DU. Not all (or even most) posters contribute. YOu can tell who gives money by the yellow star next to their name.

One of the best lines from a DUer on the second thread thus far:

"What would you have those horrible Iraqi freedom fighters do to dislodge the invader in their midst?"

The DU Yellow Star. I wonder if that's a coincidence...

Whining about Election 2000: Check
Comparing Bush to Saddam: Check
Saddam is a distraction from Israel's and the U.S.'s undemocratic ways: Check:

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

See? Like I said, inevitable as gravity.

Someone skipped their lithium dosage this morning..

Starpass says:
"one more time. Our soldiers are like the Brownie Troop I lead 15 years ago. If I told them to take a crap, they did. If I told them to stop fighting, they did. If I told them it was time to knock it off and go to sleep, they slept. They had no choice---I was bigger. My point (which is usually pointless to post here) is that their deaths are the only thing (so far) that's getting through to these dumbass Americans. We watched all sorts of criminal activities by Bush and the Americans yawned, scratched their nuts and flipped the channel. But,they are getting uncomfortable about the deaths. These GI's are told they are fighting for Iraq, terror, blah, blah...bullshit. Their deaths mean squat nothing to those endeavors. BUT it is in the sheer numbers (because Americans don't give a flying fuck about individuals and real people) that they are boring into the souls of America. If Bush stopped this now, America would yawn, scratch it's nuts and re-elect these fucking human pieces of shit who would wage war into god knows how many countries in the next four year term and kill how many more of these GI's and how many more innocent civilians and totally bankrupt this country so the goddamn corporations could put their goddamn McDonald's on every corner in the newly conquored land. THAT's why I said the killing needs to go on---to go on until we gag and say "this is pointless and this administration needs to be replaced". These GI's are actually fighting for their country but in a way they don't understand."

I'm not sure whether I should be repulsed or burst out laughing at her stupidity.

#70:

People who focus on him are generally just trying to take the heat off America and Israel for their undemocratic ways.

Ding-ding-ding-ding, we have a winner. Or a joyfully clueless, self-righteous loser, I guess.

Incidentially, here's an Iraqi who will most definitely not be posting over at DU.

Angie Shultz,

Sorry hon, but I think there's a difference between an "unhealthy sex life" and no sex at all. Sounds like an interesting study however. (Are they serious?!!?)

Besides, I must admit that my comment was very sexist only instead of coming from a male it was from a female, which I am, last time I checked.

Still, a perfect day in paradise!

#71 - the contempt for our military shines through . . .

This woman is 8 yrs older than me - I remember being in high school and reading underground newspapers. I agreed with the "revolutionaries" on many things, but even then I was put off by their condescension towards "ordinary people" who were "being told what to do" by evil politicians, TV, "capitalism," etc.

What's really ironic about all this is that our current armed forces have been totally revamped in the last 30 yrs to resemble small entrepeneurial companies, with flatter command structures and ordinary soldiers trusted and given enormous discretion to use their own judgement.

Halliburton: Checkarooni!

Many of the most vocal AmericaLasters haven't checked in yet. It will get much more quotable if they leave it open.

#71 Magnificent,

Having read Starpass's latest rant, I honestly believe the person is a "dude" not a "broad". I also think it is a person not of American Citizenship but perhaps a neighbour to our North?

Lots of childish, angry cussing and swearing: Check, god-f@cking-d*mmit.

#75 Yehudit

They will not admit to having an elitist attitude however, even if they refer to the average person at most points as a member of the unwashed masses.

#77 Maui Girl

Judging on her most recent comments, I would say you are absolutely correct.

Ahem, *His most recent comments I mean.

Explanation that this is a race war in order to blow up Muslims: Check.

LOTS OF CAPITALIZATION FOR EMPHASIS: CHECK!!!

I'm a 58 year old broad and I can tell you that what is going on in our country isn't the usual ebb and flow of politics where one party is in power and then another

Right you are, Madam, what is happening is that garbage like you has taken over the Democrat Party and rational people are abandoning it wholesale.

Have a nice day.

You guys are going to really laugh at this rambling screed writen by a bigot that calls himself "theTroll" He just goes on and on. What's funny is that he has been posting a number of things under this name on the Atlanta indymedia site and all he does is repeat the same sound-bytes and poster slogans that the arabs have created over and over again like it will suddenly become truth.

check it out at:A rant

Here is another one

Maybe you folks would like to tell him what you think.

Some asshat explaining that the notion that Vietnam vets were spat on when they returned home is a cannard: Check.

Another asshat explaining that not only is it a canard but dreck: Checkarooni.

#71 MagnificentBastardRL

(because Americans don't give a flying fuck about individuals and real people)

Sounds like this individual has given up hope for Americans to vote Democratic in 2004.

Because, only caring individuals vote Democrat.

/ Whine Mode Off

That whole f**king site needs to be nuked, along with most of the sick f**k posters. Starf**k is one sick sick pathetic b!+ch that only a full frontal lobotomy will cure (well, there are other methods, but they involve ultra-violence, lots of her blood and her ultimately shuffling off her mortal coil prematurely; we won't go into that...)

Pinged Mr. Boortz with this one. let's see what happens...

Jheka,

I stand corrected.

I believe, however, when the Iraq invasion first started they had to limit posting privileges to contributing members because of all the traffic.

.::bites tongue::.

What's your DU nick, btw?

This woman brings to mind Republicans for Sharpton.

Don't forget to vote when the time comes.

Spiny Norman: No, they limited or turned off the search function (which was always limited to the paying customers) and made a few other changes but I could still post.

As for my DU nick, I prefer not to post it publicly. I don't want to be banned from DU for something I say on LGF.

Under Communism, it's a standard practice to lock up political opposition in mental institutions. It's payback time!

Jheka,

Well, I can understand that. I post as "Spiny Norman" at the Rottweiler, Indymedia, Fark.com, some audiophile forums and a few other blogs, and haven't had anyone say "Hey, aren't you at..." I got banned by the weenies at sf.indymedia, but that's about it.

I was sure I saw that notice about posting comments, though...

Well, DU does have some use. They're "breaking the story" that all the elections across the country that aren't going their way tonight are because the electronic voting machines are rigged. Fortunately, none of the machines involved in Dem victories have been rigged though.

This is priceless:

First Republican governor in 32 yrs in KY. Why in the HELL does one of the poorest states in the union elect a REPUBLICAN governor?!?

Ummm... lemme think about it... oh! Maybe after 32 years of another party being in charge, the good people of Kentucky thought the Dems had their fair shot at fixing things.

Maui Girl (#74),

If you're really interested, it's here. It wasn't a "study", it was just a discussion on a blog---this was the thoughtful, serious, nuanced Left, as opposed to DU or Indymedia. This is very sad.

It's not the sexism, it's the psychoanalysis of someone you do not know well, and judging people's opinions by their [presumed] sexual prowess (and vice-versa). "Ha ha! She does not have sex, so her words may be discounted!" "Yes, he has a good point, but he cannot get a date, so I win." (That's so UseNet.)

It's not just you, exclusively, by any means (I'm looking at you, #4). I know LGF is not the Ladies' Lace and Doily Society, but it's disappointing to see LGFers use the same cheap shots as the clowns I was writing about.

I think she's a dude, too, by the way. I'd say we use Gender Genie on her, but it think's I'm a dude, too.

The old broad's message positively reeks of frustrated status-seeker condescension and bourgeois arrogance, but it is actually refreshing to see one of these creatures drop the degrading and transparent fig-leaf of concern for American troops.
She does even better than that, and openly declares her support for our defeat and humiliation, and her sympathy for armed enemies of the United States.
No wonder so many DUpers have denounced her, she is giving away the game.

Some here have dared to raise the possibility of a new civil war. The trendsetters, leaders, and authorities of the moonbat left know that their increasingly strident and violent rhetoric is just that, rhetoric, but the needs of their movement require a constant escalation. They must increase the demonization and incitement to violence or face the loss of their prestige and power. Sooner or later, this constant escalation must have an effect, especially among a constituency that is uniquely susceptible to trends, slogans, and the like.
I believe that a kind of critical mass will be reached, at which point the lefty masses will take the rhetoric seriously, and blood will flow in the streets.
My personal opinion is that this will happen next year when the far-left's candidates, Dean and Kucinich, get steamrolled in the Dem primaries.
At that point, their disciples will scream "disenfranchisement" and will follow their post-2000 pattern in attempting to delegitimize the democratic process. That they will do this is scarcely in doubt.
In the unlikely event that Dean or Kucinich is actually nominated, the showdown will be delayed until the general election.

Some of the DU posters were worried that Starpass's pathetic, illiterate rant would be picked up by "right wing" blogs and turned against the DU---duh! The really disgusting thing is that many posters on that thread agreed with her. A collection of cads and dolts.

#95 Shiplord Kirel: Dean's pretty much got in in the bag, unless he gets sabotaged or screws it up badly. Ahead in Iowa and New Hampshire, and his numbers never take a hit for his mini-gaffs. Edwards has already been promised the VP slot (as evidenced by his abandonment of his Senate seat after this term). Southern strategy + trial lawyer support.

Civil war's not going to happen, barring major casualties on our shores demonstrably linked to a party in power. We're too intermingled for the flames to really fan.

But something does have to give, and will, by '08 if not sooner. What'll happen is that the Dems will get tired of getting their dicks knocked in the dirt by the electorate, and will tell their sizeable hardcore leftist contingent to go pound sand. Dem leaders will start to distance themselves from their rhetoric in public.

Face it, these guys will vote Dem no matter what, so the party will figure out they don't have to pander to them. Now there could be party fragmentation on the left, but after a cycle or two they'll decide that that's not going to win them anything, and they'll band together on a moderate-left platform.

At that point in time, the GOP will have 60+ in the Senate, and America will have one or more crises. Hey, we always do. So the balance will be restored if the liberals form one centrist party people can trust, because Americans don't prefer that kind of setup, and it will be easy for the GOP to get corrupted. It may even require the reviled old guard (Quimby, Clinton, Dashle, etc) be put out to pasture, and younger "good guys" brought up from the farm leagues. Look to Evan Bayh and Harold Ford Jr. to take leadership roles.

Wild ass speculation on my part, of course. The Dems can limit this the sooner they move to fix their party, but they're probably in too deep a denial to do so. Only horrible polling numbers in late Spring might wake them up. But with their spin merchants and fluffing media, the message may be muted to the point they don't see the rocks ahead.

Shiplord:
Re: Civil War II

Blood in the streets is a highly unlikely scenario. The DU and IndyMedia crowd are craven cowards. They spout their bile on anonymous internet sites and demonstrate only with like-minded people in situations where they are protected by the police. If confronted with real violence they would scurry like cockroaches. If one thousand lizardoids formed an Axe Handle Brigade (protest signs taped to axe handles) and marched on one of their Mall protests they would soil their pants – but they wouldn’t fight back. In real life, these people are social parasites who make candles and tell fortunes. They pontificate to their friends but they never actually do anything. In the 70’s I went to college with these people and they were all “waiting for the revolution” which was risible because they never had the gumption to revolt.

Sickening ... just vile, disgusting and sickening.

This idea is echoed over at Indyidiots

POLL: Is it time to help the "terroists" fight the US?

[Link: www.indymedia.org...]

Oh yeah, um:

ONE HUNDREEED!!!

One kook on a public message board is all it takes to get you lot frothing at the mouth?

Entertaining.

Rob

I read :

The far left’s psychot[rop]ic hatred of George Bush is revealed in all its naked ugliness

And I beleived they were on drugs. Then I beleved I was...

"You lot?" You've been quite the regular here yourself Rob. And trust me, this isn't frothing. I've seen your "website."

Care to comment on why you posted your disagreement with the DU thread over there, yet feel no one else should be able to do the same? Please take the time to word your answer so it isn't too transparently like "Free speech for me, but not for thee." Hard to pull off the "fair-minded and tolerant" schtick after that.

Rob (#102)

Entertaining.

We aim to please.

I believe I am seeing the beginning of a trend. LGF (Charles) prints a story, and soon thereafter foxnews prints a news story on the same topic!
Examples:
1. This topic of Dems wantin some Texan blood,
2. Debka's warning To LA, NY,& Wash. about possible terrorism.

It's probably no suprise to Charles how heavily James Taranto of OpinionJournal relies on his weblog for into. But now for fox to be using LGF!

Kudos Charles.

#95 Shiplord Kirel 11/4/2003 08:07PM PST
... I believe that a kind of critical mass will be reached, at which point the lefty masses will take the rhetoric seriously, and blood will flow in the streets. ...

Fortunately, the blood will be almost entirely theirs.

zulubaby (#105),

We aim to please.

But nearly as hard as Rob. Check these words of wisdom concerning LGF from his "website" (thanks for the laugh Model4):

Okay, I mean why bother? These folks are *exactly* what they claim not to be. Basically they accuse others of losing Moral clarity. In the face of overwhelming attacks against their culture and civilization. The truth is they are the ones without moral clarity. THEY are amoral, they are bigots, they generalize all Muslims to the lowest common denominator. They lambast every act of Palestinian terrorism while ignoring the reciprocal Israeli violence. Pretending that targeted military attacks that just 'happen', to result in civilian casualties and destruction of civilian infrastructure is somehow okay, and not morally reprehensible. Unwilling to recognize that Israel is the first aggressor, through occupation and that the Palestinians have a fundamental human right to self defense against that aggression. Even though the Palestinians use immoral murderous tactics that does not negate their basic human right to defend themselves and their homes. Even David Ben-Gurion admitted as much

One might ask why I don't condem Arab violence to the same degree as Israeli/American violence. The answer is pretty simple. I'm not Arab. I'm an American. It's my country and it's proxy Israel, you have to criticize YOUR actions before you can even have a right to criticize those of another.

So I waste my time with them, because I despise the "its us against them" Islam is the enemy black and white stupidity espoused by these people. Since they are already irrational the only option left is to use rationality to get under their skin.

WHAT?

Befuddling. But I'm sure it all makes perfect sense to him.

Geepers (#108)

He's too self-absorbed to bother with.

$10 says this is on O'Reilly tomorrow, or maybe Hannity and Colmes.

Even with everything that I hear coming out of the far left (and right) there are some things that really make my jaw drop. To actively wish for the deaths of your countrymen so that you can make a political point is enough to make steam shoot out of my ears. I disliked Clinton but I would never wish physical harm on the man. All sense of decency seems to have left a significant portion of American society.

P.S. To the "broad" from DU if she ever reads this: George H.W. Bush is an honest to God war hero who was shot down at least once (more I think) in WWII. This is a family that understands duty. And don't pull that I have a 3star General in the family crap, I'm sure if you showed this to him he'd spit on your grave after pummeling you to death.

snif snif snif,

After 12 years in God's own hell of People's Republik of Minnesota, I'd say this horrible wench is a Minneapolitan. I'd further guess she has a trust fund, works as an arts admistrator, lives with a 'partner', and spends her Wed afternoons on the "peace bridge"

It's a long shot, I know, but after having to work with these type of idiots for a decade (and having my income reliant upon them, UGH!), I can smell them out, even from Bruxelles over the internet,

snif, snif, snif,... yep, I think so.

If I recollect correctly, Starpass is a now defunct Indian webhosting provider.

Anyway, here's some more posts by Starpass on newsgroups.

Lovely person, apparently associated with Jai Maharaj
[Link: www.mantra.com...]

This is not free speech.This is treason.GOD save AMERICA.

DU is good for laughs. I put up a post about the benefits of lowering taxes and I get banned and my thread is deleted within 5 minutes. Someone else puts up a thread where she hopes more people die and it just gets locked.

Moral Relativist indeed.

Let's face it, there are fringe elements in every movement. A visit to Free Republic will show some pretty shocking opinions as well. I've actually seen some that showed callousness for soldiers' deaths. How's that for 'suporting the troops'?

I doubt that one post on a message board reflects the entire site or movement as a whole.

It's sad that ones have to stoop so low as to find single posts on message boards (like Hannity, Limbaugh, Sullivan to make a point. This is really grasping at straws.

If this is the only way you can attack the left, you really are shooting with an unloaded gun.

potmeetkettle (#115),

It's sad that ones have to stoop so low as to find single posts on message boards...to make a point. This is really grasping at straws.

Yeah, I go to DU and IndyMedia everyday and its nothing but polite, rational, intelligent discourse. Sometimes its weeks on end before I find an inflammatory post. But I keep searching for that one oddball post to use to smear all of the others.

LOL, Geepers -
For all:
Just to keep things straight, upon further research, "Starpass" internet service was in New Jersey, bought out by Erols.com and then RCN.com.
Judging by the quality of the posts in the newsgroups, it was heavy into porn messaging and website hosting.

As long as we are discussing unfortunate slang.

Members of The Army prefer to be called Soldiers with a capital "S" The whole "GI" thing (Acronym for "General Issue") Further reduces members of this noble profession to objects. It Kind of went out with WWII.

...But then, I think "Starpass" would not give a damn anyway.

#115 potmeetkettle (I mean RatTerrier ... how are things in Milwaukee today, my friend?):

With well over 700 posts on DU (pretty good 3 month total, btw ... perhaps its time to step away from the keyboard) you know perfectly well that what you said about "fringe elements" is pure bull. Skinner deleted the original thread in its entirety but, lord knows that there are a ton of others in the archives that are quite nearly as bad. The original post was by a member with over 7,000 posts. Other members with impressive post totals have said things that are nearly as vile and hateful. I'd be happy to provide you with examples if you happen to be a glutton for punishment.

I will note that not only did you, a DUer who was aware of the thread, not condemn the original poster (Starpass), but you did not weigh in on the subsequent (now locked) thread in support of Starpass and killing American soldiers. Your "fringe element" coment rings a little hollow in light of the fact that your only involvement in this thread at DU involved your kissing Skinner's ass:

"Bunch of morans!
Here's a reply I put on that blog:
From: potmeetkettle

Let's face it, there are fringe elements in every movement. A visit to Free Republic . . ."

This is post #115. A fair and simple arguement, no? No flaming, no profanity, no namecalling. Just simple discourse. Let's see how long it takes to get deleted by those thin-skinned freepers."

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

To Jheka

A personal attack? My oh my!

Now that's not nice.

And it's obvious you must spend a lot of time trolling DU, to find my post in an obscure forum.

Did I get under your skin? I know you didn't get under mine.

I stand behind my post. If you dont' like it, you don't have to. It is a free country. For now.

"Bush hatred" is on the boil. His name ignites conversation like kerosene. I've heard Americans gloat over their own casualties in Iraq, as if every death were a stab in the president's heart alone rather than in American soldiers, so profound is their hatred. ...

Barbara Amiel on The New York Sun - website is subscription-only, here's where I bumped into the article:

[Link: www.legnostorto.com...]

(apologies if it's been posted already)

#120 RatTerrier:

Trolling, nothing. I've been on DU much longer than you have and have many, many more posts.

As for the "personal attack," everything that I said in my post is factual. You have a concern? Take it up with Charles. However, I'll note that, thus far, you have not been banned and none of your posts have been deleted so, when you contact him, perhaps you'll start your missive with an apology for this:

"Let's see how long it takes to get deleted by those thin-skinned freepers."

potmeetkettle got bust admitting to trolling LGF. LOL! Cute.

Also, RT, you may want to apologize to Charles for calling him a Nazi (you really are trying to get banned, aren't you?):

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

Oh, and nobody is trying to intimidate you by naming your hometown, Einstein. It's right there in your profile.

Jheka (#119),

Nice catch.

And I see the trolls are just as predictable as ever. Call them on their shit, and they scream "personal attack." LOL. You'd think that they would know by now that The LGF Civil Troll Brigade will search them out no matter where they lurk.

And jeez ratboy, get a clue. We're not "thin-skinned freepers", we're "rabid racists", ... and we bite.

Cheers. :-)

Geepers (#125)

You'd think that they would know by now that The LGF Civil Troll Brigade will search them out no matter where they lurk.

LOL!! Jheka is all over this one. You can run but you can't hide ;-)

Just a thought but, since Starpass has identified herself as a barely-literate, incoherent, vitriolic middle-aged female whose stupidity is matched only by her depthless hatred for George W. Bush... um, has anyone ever seen Starpass and Barbra Streisand in the same room?

Viking the Kitten (#127),

Maybe, but Babs' nick would probably be something like: GodsMostGloriousGiftToEarth.

#126 Zulubaby:

Did you notice that, on the second thread (the one that RT started himself), he got one comment and then nothing. Then, three hours after he posted, he kicked his own thread up to the top (it was probably on page 4 or so by then) with the "they're attacking me!!" post to which he has had NO replies.

Translation: "They're paying attention to me at LGF, why won't anyone at DU pay attention to me and my brave struggle against the thin-skinned nazi freepers???"

Hey, RT, are you going to kick your thread again for the lunch crowd?

Geepers,

It could also be Arianna Huffington... yeah, Starpass seems to fit her better...

Jheka (#129)

Oooh, they're so clever these little trolls! I get the feeling most of them are very young. I often have this image of the trolls as kids ringing on the neighbours doorbell and then running away, giggling furiously.

Hey, Bryan: You still with us?

#131 zulubaby:

Not that young. Here's a recent picture of our friend:

Jheka (#133)

Oy.

Is it just me, or does it seem like IdiotMedia is getting less and less comments per article, as time goes on?

LGF Civil Troll Brigade

Thanks for the memories! :)

I don't think this is a minority view. The apparent facts (apparent to a yahoo like me, anyway) are that the left generally focus on bad news from Iraq to the exclusion of the vastly greater amount of good news for precisely the reason stated by the bloodthirsty biatch above. That the networks don't come out and say "we hope our soldiers keep getting killed" doesn't mean they don't like it when it happens.

I can't fault the crazy broad for her brazen lust for death. When the towers went down I remember wanting us to nuke the crap out of the entire middle east. Shame on me, I suppose.

Hey, this is just "fringe" liberal opinion right?

Wrong.

Salon magazine's Executive Editor Gary Kamiya wrote on April 11 2003:

"I have a confession: I have at times, as the war has unfolded, secretly wished for things to go wrong. Wished for the Iraqis to be more nationalistic, to resist longer. Wished for the Arab world to rise up in rage. Wished for all the things we feared would happen. I'm not alone: A number of serious, intelligent, morally sensitive people who oppose the war have told me they have had identical feelings."

[Link: salon.com...]

These are not fringe ideas, these are the ideas of today's liberals.
 

I can't fault the crazy broad for her brazen lust for death. When the towers went down I remember wanting us to nuke the crap out of the entire middle east. Shame on me, I suppose.

Your analogy doesn't make sense, unless you wanted to nuke your own country.  She's an American (apparently) lusting for the deaths of Americans.
 

William (#137)

That is chilling. Just when you think they can't possible be more vile ...

I'd like for all these liberal half-wits to go live in another country for a while. They do not appreciate what a great country the US is. Spoilt, whining brats.

BTW:

Here is a post from "Starpass" from around 12/23/02 about her love for our fighting men and women and her wishes for them n the coming battle:

GI Joe loves Bush and GI's from Florida even bragged about voiting for him more than once. Well, I look at it this way: there is more than one way to get your f*cking brains blown out for your country. The generals have warned how ultimately bloody and bogged down this fairy tale sweep of Iraq in 3 days and 15 minutes is going to be. Hopefully as these repuke loving GI's die and are attacked by gas/chemicals, etc., the result will be a turning against Bush here in the Homeland by the brain dead public. Maybe by the deaths of these GI Neandethals who think that Bush and the repukes are God, "we the people" will be able to have the ammo to overthrow this Nazi regime. Too bad these guys can't take a hint from their brass and understand that they are being used, their safety disregarded, simply for the advancement of corporate America. But if they can't figure out what their brass already knows and keep up these insance cheers for the repukes and hisses for the Dems, maybe their deaths will return this country to the people as they realize that Bush's dream team is simply a nightmare of old, sick, has beens."

She's just adorable, isn't she? What is worth noting is that she was welcome at DU after this post and remains a welcome member.

From today's Best of the Web

Is it unfair to quote this? Well, then how about this cheery comment, posted Monday at Democrats.org, the Democratic National Committee's official Web site, again quoted verbatim: "Morning all. It occured to me that all the bump that Bush got late last week from the economic figure went up in flames yesterday with that helicopter." That would be the Chinook that was shot down in Baghdad Sunday, killing 15 soldiers. For the Angry Left, it seems, every dark cloud is a silver lining.

Please note: the above Holiday-wishes-for-death post by Starpas was also pulled by Admin . . . but I think that this one stayed up:

Honey, everything that you just posted will totally go over the heads of Cal-a-forn-ee-uns and Amurekans. They will assume that everything will be peachy keen and one year from now will be totally convinced that Arnullld terminated the problem. I am now living to see this pathetic nation die...it's the only sport left.

To recap:

"I am now living to see this pathetic nation die...it's the only sport left."

Over 7,000 posts and counting at DU.

Probably no-one reading this thread any longer, but Neal Boortz has picked up on "StarASS's" post, according to his on-line notes. Let's see what he has to say about it...

#143 Clutch:

A great many people have picked up on it, from blogs to radio hosts. I hope that my bringing it to Charles' attention within a minute or two of posting had something to do with that :) .

There was recently a post from a DUer (Sujan, I believe) which have since been deleted which talked about Private Lynch and how, if she got raped, that's what she signed up for. I'm sorry I didn't copy it when I had the chance. Sujan, BTW, is still an active DUer.

#144 Jheka

I know that a lot of folks have picked up on it, but since I e-mailed the Boortz show with this "heads up", please allow me to indulge in the fantasy that I was the one that first alerted him to it (he did mention that he was e-mailed the info about this topic by many listeners, so I'm probably not the first one).

First of all, I do not see where the poster actually said that they wanted people to die. To me, it looked more like an analysis of what they thought would have to happen to get Americans to see the truth about the Bush administration. That doesn't make death by any means a good thing.

Second, it is no worse than any of the trash that I see here.

Somebody here actually suggested blowing the head off of every Arab baby a while back. If somebody suggested blowing the head off of every baby at DU (whether if they be Arab or Jewish), then that post would be deleted, that thread would be locked, and the poster might get immediately banned. That's probably why this thread got locked. It had nothing to do with you all. Do you really think that DU revolves around you all? Get real. No, the reason why DU locked the thread is probably because they are a heavily moderated forum. In the section that talks about the I/P issues, there are rules to protect people from both sides.

Anyway, going back to the guy who suggested killing all Arab babies, I'm so glad that people here disagreed with him. However, at least one disagreed with him because they don't want to be like a Palestinian. How did Palestinian become considered to be the same as a terrorist or a baby killer? This is the type of thinking that I've seen on here more than once. Palestinian equals terrorist. By the way, people who are "pro-Palestinian" don't have pet names for Israelis as "pro-Israelis" do for Palestinians; Pals. Oh, but you all are the enlightened ones, right?

Plus, I've seen at least one poster here call somebody a whore just for pointing out the casulties inflicted by the IDF (the army that supposedly can always be defended).

This board is bigoted and disgusting. It appears to be bigoted against Palestinians, Muslims, and basically anybody different from them. How dare you all point your finger at at DU. As they say, the guilty dog always barks first.

I would like to last add that the opinion of the person here is not reflective of everybody in the Democratic party or on the Democratic Underground website. Saying otherwise is just plain Democrat bashing.

Speaks for itself.

As they say, the guilty dog always barks first.

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Who knows what that means?

Who knows what that means?

Who cares?