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Fri, Nov 7, 2003 at 11:21:49 am PST

The leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt says that Muslims hate the United States because of its support for Israel. But this hate-filled freak can’t even bring himself to use the word “Israel.” Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood says Bush has missed the point. (Hat tip: Dom.) The “point” that Bush “missed” is: Muslims want to destroy the “Zionist entity,” and until we let them, they’re going to hate us.

The resentment felt by Muslims toward the United States is mainly due to Washington's support for Israel, and not only its support of dictatorships, Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood warned.

"There is a great deal of truth in the fact that US support to tyrannical regimes is one reason for the hatred expressed toward the United States," said the Brotherhood's leader, Maamoun al-Hodeibi.

"But the most important reason for the Muslim people's hatred of the United States is its total bias toward the Zionist entity ... and US aggression in Iraq and Afghanistan; Bush ignored these," Hodeibi told AFP.

Such lovely people.

UPDATE: A great comment from “Occasional Reader” (who needs a new nickname, based on his frequent comments):

Ah, I see: so you hate us for supporting dictatorships; and you hate us for overthrowing dictatorships.

Whatever.
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1 DB  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:27:03am

and US aggression in Iraq and Afghanistan

You mean liberation of Iraq and Afghanistan, don't you? Or, maybe you're one of the bastards we're liberating them from...

As GWB says, you're either with us or against us. I think you just gave away your position.

BLAM!

2 sid  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:28:28am

the answer

[Link: www.israpundit.com...]

3 Amos  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:30:03am

Actually, the guy has a point there. the US is still supporting at least one tyrannical regime, namely the Egyptian one. The US could save itself $2B a year. What is Egypt going to do? Trun into more of a shithole than it already is? Go to war on Israel? They'd be most welcome. We sure are lacking in real estate now, having given most of it away for no good purpose, it seems.

4 K.  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:30:10am

Muslim Brotherhood Spews Hate

Dog bites man. The Muslim Brotherhood is the original Islamist terrorist organization. It spawned IJ, Hamas, and Al Qaeda.

5 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:31:01am

Ah, I see: so you hate us for supporting dictatorships; and you hate us for overthrowing dictatorships.

Whatever.

6 john  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:34:01am

Very methodical people these islamofascists...

Mustafa: First you must destroy Israel, THEN the US. Don't let your hatred be bigger than your bomb supply...

Muhamed: Gee, I guess you're right pop. Hey after the US, can I do europe? Huh, Pleeeze?

Mustafa: hehehe, that's ma boy!

7 Amos  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:34:22am

sid,
I read it in FaithFreedom.org along with a number of very enlightening other columns. Highly recommended.

8 Viking the Kitten  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:40:50am

#5


Best!

Comment!

Ever!

9 Rick Z  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:43:10am
"But the most important reason for the Muslim people's hatred of the United States is its total bias toward the Zionist entity

Hate to break the news to ya boobie, but when I walk down 5th Ave and see kippas, I don't think twice about it. When I see Muslims, I think thrice, and more, about THEM.

So you hate us? Big deal. The feeling's mutual, pal.

"You sow as you shall reap." If it takes 1.2 billion examples for you to get a grip, so be it. And don't come whinin' and seethin' when we say, "We told you so."

10 Nancy  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:44:10am

And, of course these Muslims miss the point --we support Israel because it is a democracy not because it is Jewish or Zionist.

They are the one's who don't "get it." They are the ones who cannot seperate religion from politics because Islam is not just a religion as they continue to tell us --but a "way of life" and entire ideological social and political system.

We thus oppose their ideology --their political and social ideology --as we would any totalitarian form of government.

When it suits them to demand they are entitled to "religious" freedom --they are using the "religion card" implying that it is just a religion --like all other religions. It's not and they know it --and we know it.

11 Celeste  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:46:36am

If we measure success on how well islamofascists like us, I'd rather be a failure. Don't care if they hate us, just so long as they're too damn scared of us to do anything about it. I'd rather my country is feared and respected than liked by the likes of Syria and the Sudan.

12 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:48:00am

Charles, and Viking the Kitten:

[blush] aww, shucks.

I'm also open to suggestions as to a new nic. "The Artist Formerly Known as Occasional Reader"?

13 FH  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:50:47am

Well then, Mr. Maamoun, I guess we will have to support dict... no wait, oppose ... ummm, nevermind.

14 Alex (tickle me abu)  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:51:04am
15 Jakester  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:51:15am

Muslim Brotherhood, that figures. All their women are veiled and locked up!

16 EW1(SG)  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:51:35am

#12 OR: Promoted to the front page! Congrats! And about choosing a new nic, I still haven't adjusted to the change from "Enough" to "E. Nough." Not sure I could handle that much more disruption.

17 scaramouche  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:51:37am

#12 Occasional Reader

Like I already suggested: Frequent Reader.

18 seafarious  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:52:01am

"The Artist Formerly Known as Occasional Reader"

TAFKOR!

19 Amos  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:52:25am

#12,
You might adpot the name of one who you once said is your brother, Avid (yes, we do pay attention!). It would fit the circumstances perfectly.

20 Dirk Diggler (agent abu smith)  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:54:20am

OR,

How about Occasionally Working?

21 belize042  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:54:57am

Slightly OT:

Fox News reports "Secret team" hunting Bin Laden, Hussein

Or, "The team until recently known as 'secret.'"

22 kayawanee  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:55:46am

#12 Occasional Reader

I'm also open to suggestions as to a new nic. "The Artist Formerly Known as Occasional Reader"?

Here are some possibilities:

1) Voracious Reader;
2) Lizardoid Reader;
3) Meter Reader;
4) Peter Reader;
5) Layin' the smack down Reader;
6) They Hate Us Reader;
7) Where's My Conspiricy Check Reader;
8) ROPMA Reader;
9) There Really Are Monsters Under the Bed Reader;
10) Leader Reader

23 foobar  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:56:32am

Until 1840 the Egyptians occupied Israel and "taxed" them-- you know, like the Mafia imposes taxes. In 1840 the British headed a European coalition and kicked them out of Israel.

A faction of the Egyptians still don't accept this. They have big plans for the area. They want to control and exploit the so-called Aqsa Mosque as a tourist attraction and exploit pilgrams there. They think they can make the mosque and Jerusalem as big or bigger than Mecca since the weather in Jerusalem is somewhat better than the weather in Mecca.

Imposing a "tax" or getting a percentage, kickback or vigorish called "bakkshish" from various tourist businesses is much easier than actually working. These guys are like wiseguys. And they have big plans for the Aqsa mosque and Jerusalem.

24 Bender  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:57:49am

"Meanwhile, the moderate Muslim, along with the Big Foot, the unicorn, the Loch Ness monster, remains more elusive than a cure for cancer: there is at least a theoretical possibility that a cure for cancer can be found one day, unless of course Islam takes over and drags us all down into its own endless Dark Ages. "

HAHAHA

Sid wins.

25 AG the angry Texan  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:58:46am

Occasional Reader

How about:

Abu Occasional Reader

or better yet

Occasional Reader goes Jihad and Posts very often.

26 Occasional Reader, or something  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:59:57am

#16 EW1(SG): You think that's bad? Viking the Kitten has admitted to sometimes posting under "Abu Messcherschmitt" (sp?).

#18 seafarious: dunno, "Tafkor" sounds too much like a Star Trek character. "I am Tafkor. Yes, I speak your 'standard American English'. But I do not know of these 'contractions' of which you speak."

#20 Dirk: you might be on to something...

27 K.  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:03:02am

Muslim Brotherhood

Q: Are you saying that if a government overthrow brings an "Islamic" state in Egypt, Bosnian and Iraqi problems will be solved right away ?!!

No, but it will put us on the way to solving these problems! Ikhwan beleive that the reason for our misery today is that we do not obey Allah and we do not follow his laws and his orders. An islamic state will inshallah put us on the right path.

28 Nancy  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:03:07am

Somewhat OT but pointing out that they do NOT think with the same sort of logic and reasoning. This happens to be from what would be defined as a very "moderate" forum --non-Jihadi in the UK. A forum where they actually do get into "pros & cons" but where the mentality of violence targeting civilians is still warped beyond any universal notion of "fair and just" or what constitutes defense.

This is just an excerpt:

9/11 – Just Retaliation or a Crime? the proposition for one to contemplate the events of 9/11 as either a form of just retaliation or a genuine crime committed by criminals.


Since many of the victims have no direct relationship with the perpetrators of 9/11, one can safely assume this to be a crime without examining the intention, motivation and the circumstances of the perpetrators. However, there exist another level of relationship that has been overlooked. As a society there is a notion of collective responsibility. If the society consents to its government’s foreign policy, it must bear the responsibility for its consequence as a society.

Governments naturally represent the society, more so in a democratic one. Hence the principal is that the entire society can be collectively punished for the actions of its government. If Iraq under Saddam, which was classified as a dictatorial society not representing the will of its own masses can be inflicted with such severe collective punishment, then by even greater reason a democratic society can also be inflicted with collective punishments.

Therefore the victims of the US have every right to retaliate by bombing its cities. Just retaliation is something that is universally recognised as a right by every society.

[Link: forum.ymuk.net...]

29 foobar  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:03:09am

INRE #12

How about "Pere-Oozle" ...?

30 Viking the Kitten  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:03:33am
#16 EW1(SG): You think that's bad? Viking the Kitten has admitted to sometimes posting under "Abu Messcherschmitt" (sp?).

If I had to do it over again, I'd just pick 'Butters.' Less typing, and no gender confusion.

31 Joel  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:07:36am

Considering that $2 billion a year to that shithole, fela infested country, and about 70% of Egyptians hate us, we are not exactly gettting a good return for our money. It is about time that GW Bush did something his cockroach of a country club anti Semite father never did, which is to talk straight and tough to Mubarak in private the next time he sees him.

32 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:08:21am

AG: I already tried "Abu Lonesome Tonight?", but it didn't get a rise out of anyone.

Thanks to all for your suggestions, which I shall pere-ooze and contemplate further.

Now, Dirk Diggler's comment notwithstanding, I really have to get back to work.

33 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:10:13am

OR: have you tried abu rasputin' on the hits?

Thank you. You've been a wonderful crowd. I'll be playing here all next week.

34 S. Sondheim  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:11:25am

From West Bank Story (cont'd):

Dear...kindly Muslim Brothers
You will not speak our name
Say Israel, not Z.I.,
You'd hate us just the same.
It's not we're antisocial
Or even in a rut.
Bro-thers
Give Us
A huge pain in the butt.

Dear Brothers in Egypt
We're very upset
You signed a Peace Agreement
That you haven't quite kept.
With weapons in tunnels
And hate on T.V.
Brothers say we're
Just an entity.

Dear Brothers in Egypt
Get down on your knees
'Cuz spreading all that hatred
Is your social disease.
Dear Brothers in Egypt
What are we to do?
Dear Brothers in Egypt
Eff you.

35 tomcat  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:13:51am

In Robet Baer's new book "Sleeping with the Devil", he writes plenty of the Muslim Brotherhood as describes it as "one of the most active and effective terrorist groups in existence, which the Al Sa’ud have sheltered and funded."

36 Ariel  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:29:13am

Occasional Reader - I like Avid Reader, personally.

37 Let's Roll  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:29:37am
38 SoCalJustice  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:30:37am

Re: Occasional Reader's new nic contest.

How about something like:

"Occasionally posts something worth reading"

KIDDING!!! Just kidding. ;-)

39 J. Lichty  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:32:50am

Occasional:

How about "Weekly Reader" after the hard-hitting magazine distributed in elementary schools, through which you could order Mad Libs.

___(a person) went to the ___ (a place) to ___ ( verb).

Yeah, Weekly Reader how could I have gotten through the week without you.

40 Occasionally Dirk Diggler  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:32:53am

It's frustrating to listen to otherwise sober voices talk about the Islamic psychosis like it's a rational phenomenon that can be placated through good faith gestures and dialog.

41 GFinOaktown  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:32:58am

Correction: Israel - Yom Kippur Story


By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: November 7, 2003

Filed at 2:47 p.m. ET

JERUSALEM (AP) -- In a story on Yom Kippur, The Associated Press erroneously reported that about 3 million Palestinians were confined to their homes by Israeli security closures. The Israeli restrictions confined most residents of the West Bank to their hometowns, not homes.

42 veebee  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:35:30am

S. Sondheim,

You have to record it!

On a much more somber note, I picked November 7 as the date of Arafish's death and the fuckhead is still alive.

43 SoCalJustice  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:36:44am

(#42) veebee:

The day ain't over yet (but I'm not holding out too much hope either).

44 zulubaby  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:39:17am

Occasional Reader, I like your nick. Don't change it.

(Disclaimer: I don't like when posters change their nicks. Ask Nekama what happens when they do :-)

45 [insert adjective] Reader  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:40:23am

[guiltily checking in just one more time even though I really, really need to get some work done]

#34 S. Sondheim: once again, I burst into applause, tear my "Playbill" into confetti, and pitch it over the virtual balcony.

Might I suggest an encore along these lines:

Sharia!
We're imposing full-blow Sharia!
And suddenly, a theft,
will leave you of your hand, bereft...

Sharia!
There's no saying "no" to Sharia!
Womenfolk, beware,
We'll stone you if you show, your hair...

Sharia! Say it loud, or it's hell you're paying
It's the law that enforces your praying...
Sharia, we'll never relent with shariaaa...

46 scaramouche  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:40:49am

Anyone seen the Flounder lately? Maybe he's already dead (I mean physically).

47 SoCalJustice  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:41:16am

(#44) zulubaby:

Since you're here right now, can we ask you what happens?

48 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:41:42am

zulubaby--#45 was me, by the way... point taken!

49 Fay  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:42:10am

OR

Glen Holland ;D

Actually I'm with zulubaby, I don't think you should change your nick.

50 Barry  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:43:26am

#6 John

Wasnt there a song some time ago something like : " First we take New York(Israel), then we take Moscow(New York)?

51 kayawanee  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:43:31am

#46 scaramouche

Anyone seen the Flounder lately? Maybe he's already dead (I mean physically).

Who's Flounder? Is that that the same as Arafish?

52 zulubaby  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:43:38am

Occasional Reader, we love you just the way you are :-)

53 Joel  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:44:40am

OT but remember to say "cry me a river" the next time someone blathers on about the "impoverished" Palestinians. Report: Arafat funnels $100,000 PA aid monthly to wife .

54 scaramouche  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:45:02am

Totally OT: Isn't there something a bit creepy about The New Republic featuring ads for the movie Shattered Glass on its website? Sort of like the NYT trumpetting The Jayson Blair Story.

55 DCCLXX  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:45:19am

It was not for nothing that Dante imangined that at the very centre of of his INFERNO, at the very deepest ring of HELL, stood none other than Mohamet the founder of "the Borg" (Also known as Islam). All of the AbD'ullah (Slaves of God) have an obligation to continue to "assimilate" all other cultures and religons into their collective (Known as the Umma).
They have been incredibly successful over 1200 years. They have expropriated Byzantium culture and civilization, ancient Persian culture and civilzation, and now trying to steal the Hebrew homeland (Israel, Jerusalem and Temple Mount), having already stolen the Hebrew scriptural foundation and reworked it to their liking.
This primitive, illiterate, Arab tribal warlord of the 7th century has succeeded in accumulating 1 Billion adherents into the 21st century of modern era. Where will it end?

Will Islam eventually morph into a real religion and give up Jihad, Shariaa, and the totalitarian lifestyle? Or, will the rest of Mankind (2 Billion Christians, 1 Billion Hindus, 3 Billion Budhists, Confusians, Atheists and others) be forced to eradicate this filthy disease from the earth that we all share? The answer will be available in less than 50 years.

56 Colt  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:46:05am

#44 zulubaby

Nekama changed her (?) nickname? I was wondering where she (?) had gotten to.

57 FreakyBoy on Occasion  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:47:55am

OC:

This thread suggests a decent nic:

Tyrannical Zionist Dictator

But, I'm with the rabble...don't ever change.

58 Fay  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:49:08am

zulubaby, speaking of love, would you be willing to become a brunette?.

59 veebee  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:49:54am

If occasional is misleading, how about... the reader?

60 Clutch  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:51:05am

#50 Barry

Wasnt there a song some time ago something like : " First we take New York(Israel), then we take Moscow(New York)?

"First We Take Manhattan", written by Leonard Cohen and made 'famous' by Jennifer Warnes on her LC "tribute" CD Famous Blue Raincoat; it is the best song on the CD, IMHO.

61 Ed Moran:Dr Abu Flatulus Maximus Presbyterius  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:51:11am

I still have a chance. November 11th hasn't arrived.

62 charlie32  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:51:42am

#31, Joel;

I suggest you re-consider your remarks about President Bush the elder.
When you become a night-time, carrier landing qualified, attack pilot, combat vet, been shot down and rescued, run the CIA, been elected President of the US, and then led a Coalition to free a country trampled by a scummy dictator--then you can make your sniveling remarks.
Until then you should try learning some manners.
Boy.
Charlie

63 OMGWTFBBQ  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:54:04am

anyone seen this yet? That Arafish knows how to trat a lady! (Wonder if she wears the burqa?)
Back in the High Life...

64 zulubaby  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:54:21am

Colt (#56)

No, Nekama used to be Just Uzi (I think). Then he went and changed his nick and it was all too confusing :-)

Fay (#58)

Before I even read what that link is, the answer is no ;-) Blondes have more fun, after all.

65 Outsider  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:54:30am

The "injustice" that islamocrybabies are whining about is a perceived injustice.
Just like the US sided with the muslims in the Balkans civil war, yet the muslims whine they are being butchered over there by the US.

Islamic hatred against the US is not affected at all by US policies. Its version of reality is based upon a '1000 arabian nights' style fantasy.
The scary part is that they genuinely believe the absurd lies that they keep saying.

66 J. Lichty  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:56:14am

Z-baby:

Was Uzi and Uzi Does It the same person? Nekama was Uzi? I did not know that.

67 zulubaby  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:57:18am

Uzi Does It. I think that was it! LOL. See, I told you it gets confusing.

68 Daytonian  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:58:52am

Why print this crap over and over. They hate us because we are not Muslim.

69 Montaigne's Cat  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:00:17am

The Muslim Brotherhood has been killing Jews in an organized fashion since at least 1928. The State of Israel was founded in 1948. They hate Israel and the United States for disputing that the killing of Jews is a God given right.

70 Buck  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:01:46am

I can't help but gleen from the reactions of the Arab comentators that the facsist regimes in Syria, Egypt, and Iran are the fault of the jews...

For example:

"The Arabian people are in need really for such invitations and for such pressure from outside to urge the governments in the area to have more democracy. But when it is coming from America, it must be connected with the situation in the Israeli-Arab conflict. I mean it must be speaking about the two issues connected together." - Tawfiq Abu Baker, head of the Amman-based Jenin Center.

"What has led to the overwhelming and growing hatred of U.S. policy is the United States' 'total bias' toward Israel, that bias has reached such an extent that the United States can no longer be considered an honest broker in the Middle East." - Head of the 22-member Arab League, Amr Moussa.

Blame the jews. Get rid of the zionist entity, or at least let us do it, and we will bring democracy to the area. How can an Arab believe that the US supports democracy, when they keep supporting Israel (a democracy)? In case my point is still misunderstood, get rid of the only democracy in the middle east, and the arabs will be happy to create a democracy. Until then...

71 zulubaby  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:01:54am

Fay (#58)

Bachelor X needs to get a grip.

Of the 100 hopefuls who dropped by The Carlu in Toronto yesterday afternoon, most were either too tall, too blond or too old. And, more importantly, almost none of them were Jewish, one of his main requirements.

What the hell!? I'd like to know what he looks like (probably a toad ;-)

72 Fay  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:02:29am

zb

Before I even read what that link is, the answer is no ;-)

Not even for a billion dollars?

73 veebee  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:05:16am

Daytonian

Why print this crap over and over.

So that people can learn.

zulubaby,

In many cases, yes, but given personal experience I'm not convinced that blonds have more fun. It all depends on what kind of brunette you are and where you hang out.

74 Fay  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:05:37am

#71 zulubaby LOL! My thoughts exactly.

75 brianstien  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:05:45am

OT: Operation Gratitude rally this weekend.

Attend the Support Our Troops Rally at the California Army National Guard facility at 17330 Victory Boulevard (corner of Louise), Van Nuys, California during the Veteran's weekend: November 8-9, 2003 from 10-6 both days. On Saturday the 8th, plan on getting your car washed by National Guardsmen and the ABC Channel 7 Eyewitness News Team, watch various sporting events between the Military VS. Media , and enjoy a delicious BBQ hosted by local scouts. Then, on Sunday the 9th, bring your friends and family to work side by side with members of our U.S. Armed Forces to assemble the Holiday Care Packages. U.S. Army and L.A. Fire Department equipment and vehicles will be on display throughout the weekend!
76 scaramouche  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:09:06am

I heard his "shadchen" on the radio the other day. She described him as quite the catch: looks like Richard Gere, never been married, lots of shekels.

He should have gone on TV as the first Jewish "The Bachelor".

77 zulubaby  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:09:14am

Fay (#72)

Not even for a billion dollars?

With the ego that comes with that billion dollars? Forget it. Love me as I am! LOL.

veebee (#73)

Personal experience meaning that you're a blonde?

78 Jonny  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:09:31am

Occasional Reader,

I like your nic. It kinda goes with the conspiracy;-)

79 veebee  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:13:51am

zulubaby

Personal experience meaning I'm a brunette. Natural jet-black hair.

80 Studebaker Hawk  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:14:29am

How about Utne Reader? Name changing can be very cathartic, a while back I used to be nobody important, now I'm the new hero of the current economic slump.

Studebaker Hawk, yeah, yeah,
Studebaker Hawk yeah, yeah.
Studebaker Hawk he treats the flies alright,
Studebaker Hawk that's why they never bite.

Now some folks say he looks like Zubin Mehta,
Other folks say, Nah, piss on you jack
He's just another crazy Italian who nobody knows.
Cause he was so mysterious.

81 Joel  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:16:02am

#62 charlie32

So what? George McGovern was also a World War II bomber pilot. As a President, McGovern would have made Neville Chamberlain seem like Ronald Reagan. As a President, George H.W. Bush was a miserable failure. He indulged in anti Semitism ("I'm just one little guy here standing up against this lobbby, yadda, yadda), betrayed the Kurds and the Shiites by encouraging them to rise up and when Saddam started to slaughter them, he stood by and did nothing, listened to "our friends" the Saudis and the Egyptians and allowed Saddam to survive Gulf War I, had three Jew haters on his staff, John Sunnu, James "F*** the Jews they didn't vote for us" Baker, and Brent Scowcroft the stability freak appeaser who tried to sabotage Bush II's plans for Gulf War II, signed a Ted kennedy sponsored civil rights i.e. "quota bill" which he vowed he would never do, raised taxes which he said he would not do, yes he was a real jerk as a President. To this day he is still a stooge for the Saudis and has said that he considers the lying Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandar to be "like a son to me" and tries to reassure the Saudis that his "son has his heart in the right place" i.e. will be ready to betray Israel one day, He was such a jerk that he enabled Bill Clinton to defeat him so keep your lectures to yourself. I am happy for my country that Bush II is more liek Reagan then he is like his father, maybe the apple did fall far enough from the tree.

82 Colt  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:16:23am

Denis Boyles at NRO, commenting on the European press coverage of Iraq:

I think it's time we brought all the journalists home. If it's necessary, we can always devise a smarter set of policies for Iraq. But no matter what, we're never going to be able to build a smarter press corps.
And if Iraq truly is another Vietnam, what history can teach us is that cheesy reporting leads to lost wars and Cambodia-sized body counts. Walter Cronkite still stands, Durantylike, behind his Tet offensive broadcast in 1968, a piece of work that gave credence to all the crisis-jive reported before him by other, even worse journos, and set a precedent that hasn't served CBS or the media well since. Thanks to more reasonable journalists, such as Robert Bartley, who visited the topic of Tet last week in the Wall Street Journal ("The truth about the Tet offensive is that we won") and the late Peter Braestrup, whose classic Big Story is the definitive study of media malpractice during and after Tet, we now know how lousy the journalism coming from Vietnam really was. Is it reasonable to expect anything better from Iraq, especially now that the war against terrorism has been so highly politicized in the press?
Is this censorship? But of course! Fortunately, Cronkite's on my side in this one. "I'm for censorship," the Guardian reported him telling the Newsworld International conference in Dublin. He points out that during World War II, all dispatches were vetted by the military. Despite that, democracy survived. Or maybe it was because of that.

Link

83 HULUGU  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:17:57am

background info--the muslim 'fuck your brother' in da hood is the worst of the worst--theses are the original modern facist islamonazis--so bad that they had to hang the founder-hassan al banna AND the ideologue said qubt-- done by order of fellow peaceful egyptian government dictators--they are the ebola of islam and need to be eliminated from the bowels of egypt--they say their political wing is nonviolent and so now control most of the professional guilds in egypt as well as the teachers union---their slogan is --islam is the solution--when, of course.islam is the problem--allahu nakba

84 Joel  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:18:48am

One more thing about our 41st President. he allowed CNN to talk us into getting into that mercy mission in Somalia which ws so very much appreciated by the Somalis and the rest of the Islamic world.
/sarcasm

On the other hand I do like for the most part the job that GW Bush is doing (despite his talking shit about Islam being a religionof peace) and I am somewhat impressed by Jeb Bush.

85 Jonny  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:30:13am

They hate us cause they're jealous .

#81 Joel

Good post

86 scaramouche  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:30:32am

#80 Studebaken Hawk

You want O.R. to change his/her name to Utne Reader. That's like asking him/her to become Mother Jones. Or Harper's. (Both of which I used to peruse in my brain-dead, self-loating Leftish days. Thankfully, now both consigned to the dustbin of history.)

87 scaramouche  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:32:05am

Sorry, that should have been Studabaker. My late Zaida used to drive one of those.

88 Let's Roll  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:34:04am

OT -- She's a brave, brave woman...

Miss Afghanistan Conflicted About Bikini

AP Interview: Miss Afghanistan Felt Uncomfortable Wearing Bikini in Beauty Pageant

MANILA, Philippines Nov. 7 — A 23-year-old Afghan woman denounced by her country's Supreme Court for wearing a bikini during a beauty pageant said she felt uncomfortable in the skimpy attire, but did it to call attention to the plight of women in her homeland.

89 EW1(SG)  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:35:04am

#26 OR:

You think that's bad? Viking the Kitten has admitted to sometimes posting under "Abu Messcherschmitt"

True, but for some reason multiple personalities seem to fit Spunky MG/Viking the Kitten/Abu Messerschmitt better.

And we should probably get around to setting up another DC area LGFers get together. What do 'ya think?

90 Joel  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:35:18am

#85 Jonny

Thanks. I just noticed that he called me "Boy" also. He can shove his condescending crap you know where.

91 HULUGU  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:38:45am

zb-fay-vb--is this the clairol thread--someone call frederic fekkai-- the profit muhammed used to henna his beard[desert metrosexual that he was]--see i knew we could tie hair coloring to this discussion of islime :-]

92 Studebaker Hawk  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:39:22am

scaramouche,

It would be a bit sarcastic. I just like the sound and look of "Utne".

93 peter  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:40:24am

So the Arab's seethe about our percieved total bias towards Israel. So what of their absolute bias towards the the Palestinians and hatred of Israel? Is this not must as repugnant (using their logic). Oh, I forgot, they get a pass when it comes to virtually every standard the US is held to. You know, war, "occupation", human rights, political meddling, general diplomatic expediency.

94 Joel  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:48:42am

#93 Peter

i wish that someone in a our government would tell the Arab world that our bias towards Israel is not percieved, it is real and it is something that we are proud of. I wish we would tell them that they are corrupt, whining, brutal, backwards people as Cassius said to Brutus in the play Julius Casar they should look in the mirror and say

The fault dear Brutus, lies not in our stars but in our selves.
95 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:57:10am

#86 scaramouche;

The last time I looked at an Utne Reader was in November 2001, when I visited Manhattan for the first time since That Day. I was waiting for friends at the Barnes & Noble in Union Square; they were delayed, I wanted something to read while I had a coffee, and some masochistic impulse made me buy the Utne. Sitting there--while heavy construction equipment maybe a mile away from me was pulling human remains out of a charred hole in the ground--I read an author in an Utne-collected article describe how she was sooo proud that her adolescent son asked her on 9/11, "I wonder what we did to make them hate us so much?". I tossed the magazine into the trash, and have never wasted my money on that rag again.

So, no, I don't think I'll be calling myself "Utne Reader".

#89 EW1(SG):

And we should probably get around to setting up another DC area LGFers get together.

Good idea... this weekend's booked for me, but maybe next Thursday? SoCalJustice, you with us?

96 Studebaker Hawk  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:03:08pm

Occasional Reader ,

I hope you don't hold it against me. I've never read it myself. I knew of it and , as I said, there's just something hysterical (to me) about "Utne".

97 SoCalJustice  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:05:04pm

(#95) OR:

I would love to, but I'll be in San Francisco next Thursday through Sunday.

If we move it up to Wednesday (or pick another day), I'm game.

98 observer  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:07:14pm

But if the Arabs/Muslims didn't seethe, what in the world would they do?
Compose a symphony? Find a cure for a disease? Write a novel?

Jew stuff. Those who can, do: those who can't, seethe.

99 ralph  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:11:47pm

#94 joel
updated:

The fault dear ahmed, lies not in our muslims but in our Islam.

100 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:12:03pm

#97 SCJ:

If we move it up to Wednesday

Sounds good to me. EW1(SG)?

101 sefton  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:20:35pm

#98
Silly question.
When they're not seething,
they're spewing.

102 EW1(SG)  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:22:01pm

#100 OR: Sounds good to me too. Frank IBC, Viking the Kitten? Any interest? (Although I do realize its a school night...)

103 zulubaby  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:23:28pm

veebee (#79)

I didn't say blondes have all the fun, just more fun (and that's speaking from personal experience, of course :-)

HULUGU (#91)

the profit muhammed used to henna his beard[desert metrosexual that he was]

Based on this description of him, I'm not sure he should have bothered.

104 Jonny  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:26:23pm

#90 Joel

Yah, I'm pretty sure Bush II gets his balls from Barbara's side of the family.

105 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:26:24pm

DC group- can I join you? Arlignton area here.

106 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:28:27pm

I didn't mean to exclude Frank or Viking, I just didn't realize they were in DC.

Brickskeller, 8 pm? SCJ and others--we'll be the ones with the National Review on the table. You can also recognize us by our scaly green skin and long, bloodied claws.

107 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:29:31pm

#105 Jim: come on down!

108 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:30:01pm

OR,

Perhaps you could be Occupational Hazard.

Now, get back to work!

:)

109 sefton  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:31:57pm

zulubaby-From the description in the link,he sounds like a monster.
Oh,yeah.He was.

110 zulubaby  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:35:47pm

sefton (#109)

Repulsive, isn't he?

111 veebee  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:36:14pm

zulubaby,

No. It depends on what kind of blond or brunette you are. You are not going to tell me that Elizabeth Taylor, Sofia Loren or Cindy Crawford didn't have all the fun imaginable. I'm trying to think of a more recent example and I'm drawing a blank... Natalie Portman, duh! Anyways, we need more glamorous stars today; the whole Kate Moss scene is a bit annoying.

Hulugu,

I am very curious about grooming customs and Islam. Think of an Afghani woman in full gear on a hot summer day. Ew.

112 SoCalJustice  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:41:34pm

(#106) OR

Brickskeller, 8 pm? SCJ and others--we'll be the ones with the National Review on the table.


Cool. See you then.

113 justdanny (abu daba do)  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:42:16pm

"Muslim Brotherhood Spews Hate"

Relative to the love they once spewed ?

114 justdanny (abu serious)  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:47:09pm

#111 veebee

I dunno, but, I have the feeling zulubaby is not just beautiful, but seriousley drop dead beautiful.

115 scaramouche  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:48:57pm

Speaking of magazines, just wanted to put the word out about the December Atlantic Monthly (not yet available online). Among its delights: Mark Steyn on Elia Kazan; P.J. O'Rourke on his experiences in Iraq; a terrific lead editorial by Jonathan Rauch on Communism ("the deadliest fantasy in human history"); a look at how Iran was allowed to inch its way to nuclear capablity; a scathing dissection of the life of Lillian Hellman by cartoonist Edward Sorel; and many other tasty treats.

A disclaimer: I have no vested interest in the magazine, although I am a subscriber, and they did publish my letter to the editor a few issues ago.

116 Ariel  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:52:26pm

scaramouche #115,

I haven't read mine yet, but I seriously think the Atlantic has got to be one of the best magazines out there. I read through it in the first couple of days every time.

117 veebee  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:54:27pm

justdanny

No argument there. But I bet you it has more to do with facial features then haircolor.

118 scaramouche  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:55:25pm

#116 Ariel

Ditto. But I lament the absence of Michael Kelly, a passionate and commanding writer.

119 Ariel  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:57:25pm

scaramouche #118,

I only just started my subscription. It caught my eye one day when I saw the issue about terrorism in the airport; I remembered a friend who had worked there a little while ago. So I decided to pick it up and I couldn't stop each month; so I decided to get a subscription recently. But I've read some of Mr. Kelly's work and it's rock-solid.

120 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 12:58:54pm

Ariel:

the Atlantic has got to be one of the best magazines out there

Agreed. Even with the terrible loss of Mike Kelly in Iraq.

scaramouche:

they did publish my letter to the editor a few issues ago

Intriguing... care to tell us which one it was? (Understandable if you don't)

121 fred from AL  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 1:06:04pm

OT, and not new, but Asia time has an article about Saudi Arabia's Nuclear Gambit, the deal with Pakistan to acquire nukes. Lots of smoke here - worth a read.

122 scaramouche  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 1:12:38pm

#120 Occasional Reader

Forgive me if I remain anonymous for the moment, but I can tell you that I also had a letter published in a recent issue of Vanity Fair.

123 youcancallmemeyer  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 1:42:37pm

#81 Joel 11/7/2003 01:16PM PST

"betrayed the Kurds and the Shiites by encouraging them to rise up and when Saddam started to slaughter them, he stood by and did nothing,"

This is a criticism?

124 HULUGU  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 2:00:36pm

zb{jaap] 103--yikes!! whatta freak!!-- he sounds like jabba the hut on steroids--they pick this meshuganeh putz for a leader--he should have drunk the henna and saved us all alot of trouble!!

125 Sweet  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 2:47:37pm

"There is a great deal of truth in the fact that US support to tyrannical regimes is one reason for the hatred expressed toward the United States," said the Brotherhood's leader, Maamoun al-Hodeibi.

"Great deal of the truth" lol...is it all the truth? Just some of the truth? A lot of some of the truth? A little more truth than not? When did a "fact" have anything but truth in it? lmao

Sweetjustusnow

126 JC  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 2:54:57pm

Found this via Donald Sensing's site,

Messopotamian

The old style of european imperialism, which aimed at exploitation, cheap raw materials, and keeping people backward and in a state of peasant low existance, has gone and is no longer suitable for the world. A globalised world where every body can enjoy the freedoms and benefits taken for granted by the "advanced" world. This is liberal neo-imperialism. Is it eutopean, is it unrealisable ? I don't know the answer. But the campaign is already under way.

Years ago, in my earlier youth, had I heard somebody talking like this, my hair would have stood on end, I would have been thrown into a fit of rage enough to give me heart attack. But years of suffering, years ground to dust and wasted living under a system which had hardly anything right in it, atavism which took us back to a moral state comparable to that that existed even before the reforms of Islam fifteen centuries ago, have finally brought me to this forlorn conclusion: that perhaps it is better this way - perhaps that really, salvation lies herein.

He (I think "he") is talking about the US in Iraq, he's a new blogger in Iraq, check him out.

127 Curious  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 3:23:07pm

Off at a tangent here, what is this Lizardoid business?

I'm getting to grips with other LGF terminology like 'idiontarian', 'LLL', 'moonbat' and of course 'islamazoid'. But what's all this lizard stuff?

128 Evan  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 3:23:32pm

Fresh from Nazimedia NZ: The Art Of War

129 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 3:53:17pm

#128- "Art"? My 8 year old daughter draws better than that.

130 Geepers  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 4:23:25pm

Curious (#127),

The Terrible Secret of LFG

see the FAQ page too.

131 Joel  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 5:24:25pm

#123 youcancallmemeyer

His betrayal fo the Kurds and Shiites allowed Saddam to stay in power.

#104 Jonny

Yah, I'm pretty sure Bush II gets his balls from Barbara's side of the family.


I have read that GW Bush (I think it was by Dick Morris) is his mothers son, which is good news.

#111 veebee
Ashley Judd, Cahterine Zeta-Jones, and Elizabeth Hurley for me!

132 Camel Prophet  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 5:27:05pm

The Ikhwanis are on the rise. Ditto the Wahabis and Deobandis. All that remains of Nasser' inspired Arab secularism is the governmental bureaucracies, communists, and beneficiaries of what someone called the "tabloid culture" that exists primarily in cities of the Maghreb, Levant, Syria, and Iraq. If you are used to seeing Arab women only in head to toe robes, check out Jordan's version of the NY Post's "page 6":

[Link: www.albawaba.com...]

Most Arab entertainers are being conscripted into Islamofascist politics. I believe they are headed into extinction.

133 EW1(SG)  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 6:26:57am

#106 OR: You've tagged it. See 'yall then, it just might not be a current issue of NRODT.

Frank and VtK are (like me) OTB (Outside the Beltway,) but I hope they're close enough-be nice to meet 'em.


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