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Fri, Nov 7, 2003 at 9:15:23 pm PST

This is absolutely amazing. Not only does every public official in Dearborn Michigan deny that there was anything wrong with the letter quoted in the entry below...

Dearborn Heights Police Chief Michael Gust said that police took an "incident report" from Panetta on the matter and will keep it on file.

"There was no investigation, to my knowledge," Gust said. "We do not consider it a threat."

Mayor Mary A. Canfield said, "I don't find it threatening, and I don't have a problem.

"Personally, I know Imad Hamad," Canfield said. "And I do not think in any way that they meant to be threatening. I don't know. Maybe it was using a word wrong. We've all done that a number of times. Or, maybe it was a difference in someone's background, in terms of what words mean what."

...the American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, headed by a Palestinian “activist” whose possible ties to terrorist groups led the FBI to cancel his award for “public service,” and emboldened by the subservient attitudes of local officials, is persecuting the man they threatened—for daring to report the threat: School leader says he was threatened. (Hat tip: Glen Wishard.)

And, now, the Anti-Discrimination Committee is asking municipal and school officials in Dearborn Heights to formally investigate Panetta's role in the entire affair.
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1 Model4  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 7:17:38pm

Wow! It's like a European country, condensed into one city. Behold the future that's in store, should we fail to reverse course now.

2 Ayatrollah  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 7:20:21pm

The guy deserves a raise, maybe make him head of the police force.

3 Big L  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 7:22:27pm

A few months ago, I thought this Ron Panetta and the Mayor Canfield showed up in the news with some kid
and his parents and some kind of P.C. junk. Google didn't bring up much except a 1997 letter praising Arab american candidates (by Zogby) and gun education from 2000.I remember Hannity from doing an interview.

4 ploome  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 7:23:27pm
And, now, the Anti-Discrimination Committee is asking municipal and school officials in Dearborn Heights to formally investigate Panetta's role in the entire affair.

don'tcha know? thats the humiliation part.

Not only is it necessary for the muslims to prevail, but the infidel MUST understand that he is beling humiliated!

thats why every issue is an attack on Islam, requiring an apology grudgingly given, after more concessions are extracted.

feh

5 rabidfox  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 7:23:39pm

Are the muslims the

majority

in this city? If not, where are the rest of the citizens? Time for a little community support here, I think.

6 Weasel Hunter  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 7:24:15pm

This is the same Orwellian inversion that we see in the Middle East.

7 Albie  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 7:31:41pm

That mayor sounds really Canadian. Dearborn is way too close to the border, and Steve Yzerman isn't worth it.

8 Fay  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 7:38:51pm

#7 Albie:

and Steve Yzerman isn't worth it.

Oh yes he is. Stevie Y is my next favorite after 99... how can you say that???

9 Jewels (aka Julian)  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 7:47:20pm

What a weenie.

10 Camel Prophet  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 8:00:04pm

Dhimmitude is a factor, given the pathological deference in the West toward the muslim enemy. However, it is a fact that policing is a highly subjective enterprise. Empirical studies suggest that cops have a self image of society-protecters, rather than fact-finders. If fiction is necessary for compliance with occupational-cultural dictate, cops will produce fiction, even if it takes either tampering with or destroying evidence. Coerced confessions from suspects - often innocent - and perjured testimony from cops is accepted as normal by cops.

Subjective policing was made manifest in a scandal in Philadelphia. A citizen' police support group had attempted to honor cops for duty work, only to find that accounts of this work were revised for departmental purposes.

[Link: inquirer.philly.com...]

When a cop says, "the complaint is without foundation, they usually mean: "I am not going to serve." The fact that truth has decreasing currency in Western Civilization presents a window of opportunity for our mortal enemy. Our media is a cliche-factory, which delivers politically correct fictions - "islam is peace" and "muslims want freedom and democracy" for example - axiomatically. Critical thinking needs to prevail once again.

11 Cornholio - Abu I can no longer make fun of France  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 8:00:40pm

from the article:

"This should not have been raised to the level it has been raised to," [Mayor] Canfield said. "I think there is a very easy solution to this problem. My understanding is the board is going to vote on the Ramadan issue next week. Certainly, they will vote for days off for the children, and that should be the end of the problem."

Holy cow, sounds like Dearborn has beaten France to the enactment of Sharia.

12 Jimmy the Dimmy  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 8:10:04pm

"Rushing into decisions that involve such sensitive issues might bring serious ramifications and unexpected unhealthy consequences"

Yet they want an immediate decision on this issue, as opposed to going through channels for next year.

And the following sentence in the original letter unmistakeably threatened the jobs of school officials. Because of the previous sentence which threatened bodily harm nobody made mention of this.

"This is why, we further urge the school board not to individualize the issue, and jeopardize the position of any of the fine staff of the Dearborn Heights Public Schools."

13 rosh  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 8:12:17pm

If I may quote an ADL publication, "Religion in the Public Schools"
"Should schools close for major religious holidays?
Public schools should not close or reschedule activities solely because of conflicts between the school calendar and religious holidays. However schools may consider closing when large numbers of student and teacher absences are anticipated. Zorach v Clauson, 343 US 306, 314 (1952), See also Koenik v Felton, 190 F.3d 259 (4th Cir. 1999)"

14 rosh  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 8:16:41pm

from the articel referenced in Charles's post:

Besides, with 30 percent of the district's students of Arab descent, a lot of youngsters already miss classes to celebrate Eid. And if a quorum of the enrollment is unavailable for class on a given day, the state might not count it as a school day, regardless.

Schools in neighboring Dearborn take the whole week off for Eid.

15 rabidfox  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 8:20:30pm

#14: Down here, we have to make up days lost at the end of the school year. Will this also occure in Detroit? I wonder how the 60% of the student will feel about this.

16 Heliopolis  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 8:25:23pm

Dear CAIR,

Flying planes into large buildings and celebrating the death of 3000 Americans is a sensitive issue that might bring serious ramifications and unexpected unhealthy consequences.

Sincerely,
Uncle Sam

17 Pointsman  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 8:26:48pm

Please visit the City of Dearborn Heights site and let Mayor Canfield and Chief Wiggum know how you feel!

[Link: www.dhol.org...]

18 rosh  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 8:39:59pm

that website said to "go to the contact page" but the link opened my mail program and started a new mail addressed to comdev2@dhol.org

19 Pointsman  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 8:46:16pm

The mayor's page, scroll down...

[Link: www.dhol.org...]

20 rosh  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 8:53:04pm

Dearborn Heights, home of Henry Ford Community College

21 Pointsman  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 8:58:09pm

And...
The home of good 'ol "American Political Correctness" at its most persuasive best!

22 Jim Brown  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 9:20:52pm

#5 rabidfox

Dearborn MI has the highest population of Muslims in the world outside of the cities in the Middle East. I do not know for sure but they may be the majority.

#8 Fay

It sounds like you know quite a bit about hockey but let me clear up one thing for you. #99 was the greatest pure offensive player of all time, the problem is he didn't play defense and hockey is a two way sport. Howe and Orr are the greatest of all time with respect to all around play, offensive and defensive. Yzerman is the best team player of his era along with Messier both are sure bets for first ballot hall of fame inductees.

Gordie Howe is also the best hockey fighter of all time.
Fay, I'm sure you know what a hat-trick is (3 goals in one game) and what a natural hat-trick is (three goals in a row) but do you know what a Gordie Howe hat-trick is?

Answer: A Gordie Howe hat-trick is a goal, an assist and a fight all in one game. Mr. Hockey was and is the greatest hockey player ever.

23 ChicagoTex!  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:00:28pm

Wow, I never had any idea that Dearborn was like that. Kinda OT: I live only three or so blocks from Louis Farrakhan and that's bad enough. (Hilarious, though--about a block from his house is a HUGE synagogue.)

Wonder why they all flock there? Perhaps they're like being a place where the locals have produced their favorite kind of literature?

24 ChicagoTex!  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 10:02:56pm

Dangit, perhaps THEY like being (changed what I was saying)...

Sigh. Oh well. So much for my English major.

25 hans ze beeman  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:00:41pm
I don't know. Maybe it was using a word wrong. We've all done that a number of times.

Yea, sure.

"Dude, please pass me the salt or I'm gonna kill you."
"What??"
"Oh, I was using a word wrong. Don't exaggerate! Otherwise, I'll have to sue you and investagate your role in this!!"

As to the police chief, reminds me of the Simpson episode where Chief Wiggum types everything on his "invisible typewriter" in order to mock those reporting a crime.

26 hans ze beeman  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:03:25pm

D'Oh! That's investigate.

27 dgd  Fri, Nov 7, 2003 11:25:48pm

The attitude of the mayor and police chief sound like campaign contributions to me.

28 bigel[deleted]  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 1:40:56am
29 bigel[deleted]  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 1:44:02am
30 drool  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 2:28:42am

We should all send Imad Hamad emails saying, "Just admit it was a threat, and apologize. Failure to do so may bring serious ramifications and unexpected unhealthy consequences."

31 scaramouche  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 2:55:44am

Dearborn is already ground down by dhimmitude: an instructive lessson of what happens when there's no separation of Islam and state.

32 Frank IBC  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 3:21:36am

unexpected unhealthy consequences

What, from second-hand smoke from the seethers? I can sympathize? I often need a cigarette when I'm seething.

How about we hold an "Eat-In" in Dearborn for the remainder of Ramadan?

33 Frank IBC  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 3:24:42am

What is it about decaying rust-belt cities (Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo) that they love so much?

34 Emmett  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 3:36:36am

The multi-culti left strikes again. Can you imagine if a Jew or Christian had written a poorly veiled threat like that to a school official? The cops would have been on his doorstep by nightfall.

35 bigel[deleted]  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 3:40:00am
36 Emmett  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 3:40:09am

Further, it's typical of the jihad mentality. The wording wasn't "would you consider," or "could you take under advisement," or "I would like to meet with you to discuss;" the message was, in so many words,

"comply, infidel, or face the consequences!"

Religion of Peace indeed.

37 bigel[deleted]  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 3:41:23am
38 Nancy  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 4:40:29am

For the record: Panette is the School Board President which means he is likely elected or appointed and it is likely a non-paying job.

An investigation is idiotic because as I mentioned in the previous thread --I have served on a school board and he did what ANY board chair/president would do and that was to consider any threat --implicit or explicit --as serious. He would have been irresponsible to NOT report it.

It isn't a matter of one's own personal safety but that of the students.

The "community leaders" response only shows how easily "warnings and threats" are dismissed by authorities. That Panetta is the one being criticized while the writer of the letter is being defended and excused is insane.

At the very least --even accepting the letter writer's contention that it was not meant as a "threat" --though it clearly was --he --not Panette --should be chasticized for attempting to intimidate.

No point preaching to the choir here --I just wanted to clear up that serving on school boards is not a "job" and almost always a volunteer position.

And, as someone already mentioned --the school calendars ARE adopted a year in advance and no responsible school board would "amend" it as a matter of policy and the consideration could only be for the NEXT school calendar. There would be no "urgency."

And to think that some school districts no longer allow the pledge of allegiance because it says "under G-D."

39 Peter  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 4:41:13am

Check out "Places of Worship" under the Dearborn Heights site. One mosque but MANY other places of worship for religions other than Islam.
So where do ALL of these devout crybabies go to worship?

40 Chuckg  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 5:02:08am

If possible, somebody should go see if the local FBI office is willing to earn its paychecks by investigating some of these schmucks for actual jihadi connections.

41 Nancy  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 5:28:58am

The Marge quoted as a board member is not even listed as a Crestwood Board member for 2003-2004 which suggests she is very new.

Also, the article below –might have some bearing on why Panetta is the one being criticized and undermined.

Crestwood School District Website: [Link: www.csdm.k12.mi.us...]
The elected seven member Crestwood Board of Education meets twice each month.

Crestwood School District
1501 N. Beech Daly Road
Dearborn Heights, Michigan 48127
(313) 278-0900


Dearborn Heights Municipal Information: [Link: www.dhol.org...]
Office of the Mayor: [Link: www.dhol.org...]
Her actual name is: Mayor Ruth A. Canfield and email is: mayor@dhol.org

[Link: www.pressandguide.com...]
Crestwood holds special meeting about assistant superintendent
Wednesday
November 5, 2003
DEARBORN HEIGHTS — The Crestwood Schools Board of Education held a special meeting Tuesday night concerning Assistant Superintendent William MacFarland’s actions involving union negotiations.

MacFarland allegedly negotiated with the Crestwood Federation of Teachers without the Board of Education’s knowledge, said Board President Ron Panetta.

If MacFarland did act without the board’s knowledge, it would be a violation of the Fair Labor Act. Panetta said that the negotiations led to a ratification of the teachers’ current contract that was not approved by the board. MacFarland opted to hold an open meeting to discuss his actions, according to Panetta. Panetta said he was hoping to learn the motivations behind the actions.

42 Frank IBC  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 6:06:28am

This reminds me of the "I wish to report a burglary" sketch in Monty Python Maybe they need to talk in real high or real low voices when reporting the threat. And maybe singing "Jerusalem" ("...and did those teeth feet, in ancient times...") would help, too.

43 Joshua  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 8:48:35am

Whether or not Imad Hamad was trying to threaten the school board president, he needs to learn how to communicate:

Rushing into decisions that involve such sensitive issues might bring serious ramifications and unexpected unhealthy consequences.

I interpret this as being a warning to the school board president to decide slowly whether to give the students a day off for Eid. (And what is so "sensitive" about giving the students a day off?) Literally read, if the school board president had decided immediately upon receiving the letter to close the schools for Eid, he would be risking unhealthy consequences; whereas, if he had appointed a committee to consider the issue and meet several times, finally rendering a decision after Eid had already passed, he would be okay.

44 Ben F  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 10:02:38am

The official reaction definitely reflects dhimmitude, but so does the newspaper article. Based on that article, the ADC's second letter REITERATED AND AMPLIFIED the original threat:

When school board lawyer Joe Mosier contacted Hamad at Panetta's behest, the Anti-Discrimination Committee issued the second letter, seeking to clarify the first.

"ADC's sole intention was to further inquire into the matter and make sure that your board is aware of the highly sensitive nature of the situation," Hamad wrote Monday.

That is a retraction? What is "highly sensitive nature" supposed to mean? To me it means that agitators in the Dearborn Heights Muslim community were gearing up to rile that community by portraying a failure to make the Eid a school holiday as a slight against Islam.

That is no way to retract a threat; it's a way to make sure that the original threat is clearly understood. Any disturbances resulting from denial of the Muslim community's requests would be the fault of the Board, and not the fault of the leaders of the Muslim community.

Subject to more reporting on this story that would support a different interpretation, it looks to me as though the ADC threatened the school board and refused to back down when challenged, and that the Dearborn Heights political establishment blinked. Scary.

Watch for the crowing here once the Eid holiday is declared.

45 papertiger  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 10:10:07am

My reaction would be to take the letter over to Hamad's house and ask him what the hell he meant.
Really if this is a missunderstanding good. We can find out what our communicationally challenged Jihadist really had on his mind.
If it was a threat , bullys cower when someone tuggs on their beard in their own den.

46 Dom  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 10:21:55am

OT Why is Imam Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin, also here, writing letters to the world that are broadcast over the Internet? Maybe he should be allowed to do this, but I hope tabs are being kept.

47 Blogandspiel  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 10:45:01am

dhimmis get what dhimmis deserve. if the Shariaborn, Michigan police don't want to fight, then they and their city have to be written off.

besides, there are better places to live than Michigan.

48 bigel[deleted]  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 11:58:52am
49 SwampWoman  Sat, Nov 8, 2003 4:28:34pm

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that Michigan has more private militia groups than any other state in the USA. Looks like they gonna need them.


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