Why blame themselves for the problem when they can just as easily blame the infidels and zionists?

Sure it's Jewish. Circumscribe, circumcise... same diff.

;-)

I just wish one of the cable news stations would treat this like the PR stunt that is truely is rather than painting the house of saude as victims of terror. So far not one prince has even got a hang nail.... the princes they kill in private off don't count.

OT

It would be easy to get a pessimistic outlook on the future when Muslims seem to have such high population growth rates that you wonder whether the year 2075 will see Shariah in Chicago, not to mention Paris. But is that really the future? This link [Link: www.wnrf.org...] would seem to indicate that Christians are increasing in the percentage of the world's population, and that Christianity is becoming an increasingly Developing World religion.

Is it too far off to predict that the year 2075 could see Christianity with a higher than ever percentage of the world's population? Hopefully a tolerant Christianity that focuses on the principles of peace and love advocated by Jesus.

And that the irreligious will constitute an ever increased percentage as well?

And that militant Islam will have spent itself, and maybe even have become dominated by Sufi ideology? I mean, who would really think that a religion of "Bag the Women" could beat an ideology that allows for people to LIVE (ie, the Arab singers I mentioned realier)?

Anyone else care to hazard a prediction that doesn't see the Universal Caliphate dominating the world?

If those damn Americans had not closed their embassys.
Leaving the Shaheed no viable targets on our Allah ordaned Full Lunar eclipse 11/9 day.
If it was not ordaned that someone must die for the propheses to be fulfilled, the terrorists wouldn't have been forced to bomb our lesser Arab Yemenese childrens home.

It is all Americas Fault.

They didn't DIRECTLY blame teh joos this time.
They blamed US. You MIGHT think that these are a people that are at war with US, but according to our president they are not. And the sad part about it is there is no other that will stand up to BUSH'S ''saudi freinds''.
I HATE voting for ''the default canidate''...

come on!!!

its just some joshing between friends. what good 'ole friends, those saudis!

if we want peace, we should embrace islam...
peace be upon it

peace peace peace

islam is peace

America is a Jewish puppet state, as any good Arab knows. Therefore the need to state it explicity is not needed. It would be the same as stating water is wet or fire is hot. It is just a simple fact.

/arabmindset mode off

Weellll, what do you expect when you have a nation that practices incest and pedophelia as the national cultue?

You know you are a soddomite prince when you go to family reunions to meet chicks.

Specifically, its the fault of all the Americans who drive SUVs. Seriously, if we didn't need their oil we could bomb them back to the stone age. Woops, they already are in the stone age.
Then we would bomb them back to the pre stone age.

Thats me drawing the bullseye. And it was me who put the knife in.

BUT. Uncle Sam had no idea what I was doing and had no part whatsoever in my actions.

It is true. I stabbed the Arab Muslim cartoon character.

I hope hydrogen-powered cars can lower our dependence on Saudi oil. Faster please.

Anyone else care to hazard a prediction that doesn't see the Universal Caliphate dominating the world?

I don't know that I would want to make a prediction that it could not happen because I certainly think they are going to try and make it happen but if the pressure continues to be put on them and we continue on the course we are on --I think it is unlikely.

They do not at this point have a centralized core leader. And, much infighting and disunity among the sects they are not themselves even prepared for a "one Islam."

With that said, I also think we cannot turn our backs and cannot ever be complacent because they do believe what is happening right now is their "window of opportunity" ie, the second awakening. There is hope if this can be stemmed in this decade or more --maybe in another 1400 years they will have changed.

The key is to not take them for granted ever again. I have actually seen those figures that cite Christianity as the faster growing religion than Muslim. That's not what they claim however.

Daniel Pipes and others have countered the claim of 6 to 10 million muslims in the US because independent studies show 1 to 2 million. That was a number the US Muslim organizations just made up and --as expected --news services picked it up and continue to quote it.

I like their timing: one day after the jihad attack, they find US as something to portray in a negative light.
So twisted.

Well, it didn’t take the Arab News very long to insinuate that the United States was somehow responsible for yesterday’s terrorist attack against a palace worker’s compound in Saudi Arabia.

Seriously, when are we going to actually start planning attacks on the Saudi Entity. Then they won't have to insinuate anything.

They're begging for it with shi'ite like this, anyway.

I doubt any kind of islamic takeover. Half the US population would not agree to step down to the same level as dogs.

That is why islam works well in places where life is already shitty, like africa. Life ain't that great, islam is no loss. The average american or european woman will not willfully step into the traditional role she gets in the islamic world. The situation will come to a boil in europe before it does here and the results will be ugly. All the euro pc crap will go out the window and a purge will occour to protect western civilization.

#14 Nancy . . .

Great post! We can no longer be complacent.

#17 Radian . . .

I certainly hope you are right.

OT - looks like some of our congresscritters just formed the congressional French caucus to show support for our "allies" in France. What's next, the congressional NorK Caucus?

The largely discredited tactic of targeting fellow Muslims, known as al-takfeer walhigrah (atonement and withdrawal), was first used by Ayman al Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's chief lieutenant, in Egypt a decade ago.

Bombers alienate Arab opinion by killing Muslims

I was in DC last night and heard a report on this in a cab and comments by a our 'John Bradley'.

The faster the U.S finds an alternate source of energy, the better. Other than crude oil, what other industries or agriculture does Saudsi economy rely on? I suspect the population growth must have more than quadrupled in the past two or three decades with an economy thats virtually surviving on crude oil exports. Cut of the oil imports and you'll see them coming down to their knees. From then on probably the only 'industry' they can rely on would be 'religious tourism';converts coming to Mecca to perform the Haj.

....that uncle sam on the left has a suspiciously long nose, extending over his hand--i dunno-unconscious probiscus anti-semitism--amerikka with a zionist face--you can never be too sure with the shame culture allahbots--after all boosh is the trained pit bull for the zionist circles behind him

"We but teach bloody assignments
That being taught
Return to plague the inventor.
This . . .commends the ingredients of our poisioned chalice
To our own lips"
-- Macbeth

As usual, DU is way ahead of the Arab News:

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

The Jews get blamed around post two . . .

This drawing is one big Freudian slip. Notice where the terrorist, er, I mean peaceful muslim is getting stabbed? In the back. Who stabs you in the back? Your friends. The implication here is that Al Qaida is the friend that stabbed the terrorists, er, peaceful muslim saudis in the back. They are fucking admitting that Al Qaida is their friend, while blaming the US for not doing more to protect them from themselves, all in the same drawing. Maybe it isn't a Freudian slip. Maybe they know that is what they are saying, and they are simply taunting us. Either way, Islam sucks.

#21:
The faster the U.S finds an alternate source of energy, the better.

Chevron Green is Muslims!

Check this out, supposedly from the WaPo in January 2000 at the end of this page.

Saudi Intermarriages Have Genetic Costs
A government study in Saudia Arabia has found that 56.8% of all marriages are between first and
second cousins or more distant relatives. This correlates with research at hospitals and medical centers that indicates that the rates of some metabolic diseases may be 20 times higher among Saudi Arabia's 14 million people than in populations where the gene pool is more widely mixed. Blood disorders such as
thalassemia and sickle cell anemia as well as diabetes are widespread particularly in some provinces with high intermarriage rates. College professors report being able to identify where students are from by the fatigue level at the end of class. Rare genetic abnormalities have become like clinical markers for certain tribes.

[Link: www.cofc.edu...]

#11 Green

It's not the SUVs. It's the trucks, ocean tankers, airplanes, electric power plants, plastics, machine oil etc. Oil is the blood of our economy. That wouldn't change even if all the internal combustion engines in America were replaced by electric motors tomorrow.

#29 final word on islam

go away, troll.

09:35U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage to Al Arabiya TV: Al-Qaida wants to topple Saudi royal family (Reuters)

tears on my pillow ; - ))

As far as I am concerned, the saudi royal family is -----> AL-QUAIDA!!

i think i saw/heard something weird today. I was at a friend's house and they happened to have OPB on (Oregon public broadcasting), during the OPB BBC news section. An interview with Turki Al Faisal (i think? Turki someone) about the bombing in Riyadh. The talking head asked some questions like who did Turki think was behind it, and he answered Al Qaida, and then.. the head asked where TaF thought the bombers were from, and he said... (drumroll) that he thought they were Saudis.

Wait wait... did i just hear a Saudi admit a Saudi was behind the bombing?! On a BBC news show?!

Anyone else notice that the head of the arab resembles a phallus?

Bush, the Jews and CNN were behind this. AlQuida was too busy making Ramadan supplications.

I think everyone just better fasten their seat belts for the next year or so, take a pill, lie down and relax. Unless the practioners of the "Religion of Peace" do something REALLY stupid and pull another attempt to beat or exceed 9/11, President Bush will not be willing to take on Syria, the Saudis, Iran or any of these other asshats. After the election though, I'd have to say all bets are off.

Unfinished drawing. The "cartoonist" forgot to draw a Star of David on the target-drawer's sleeve and on the dagger. Aw shucks. Another missed opportunity to blame Israel and the Zionist lobby! The cartoonist will probably be executed for this omission.

Many have rushed to comment on the fact that this latest attack , striking as it does at Muslim women and children during Ramadan could be a tipping point in the WOT, as it has alienated Arab opinions of Al Queada.

Whilst our deepest sympathies should be extended to the innocents killed in this attack it should be pointed out that Arab opinion of Al Queada was not simmilarly alienated by the attacks in New York or Bali.

By way of contrast it is worth remembering just how appalled most in the west and especially in America were by the images from Srebinica and later from Kosovo. On both occassions It was the US that exerted itself (whilst the French ran interference) on behalf of Muslims.

The self serving claims of Milosevic to be waging a new crusade to reverse the result of the field of Blackbirds 600 years previously acheived no resonance with Americans or the majority in the west. Milosevic did not need to attack Christians or Americans before they saw him for the butcher he was, as Americans were capable of recognising the humanity of his Muslim victims.

But it seems that far too many Arabs and Muslims are only capable of recognising the humanity of Al Queada's victims when they are of the same race and religion.

Perhaps a certain grim satisfaction can gleaned from seeing Al queada reveal it's true colours in a way that even most Arabs can spot should be tempered by the way in which this reaction throws into sharp relief the reactions of so many of them to 9/11 and October 12th.

Johan -

Doubt that the Islamic street will stray much from their opinion, especially with "Jihad Unspun" articles (reference #34 above) all over the Middle East echoing like sentiments.

CAIR Canada quotes Pew survey:
58% of Indonesian
55% of Jordanian
49% of Morrocan
45% of Pakistani and
71% of Palestinian Muslims expressed confidence in Bin Laden to "do the right thing regarding world affairs."

That's a lot of momentum. More polarization to follow.

17 Radian

I agree that the crunch will come first in Eureope.

Many on this forum have discounted Europe and that it will simply cave in to Islam. But I dont think so. What has happened is that in past 50 years, Europeans have been lulled into a sleep because of the relative peace on the continent. But one must never forget, in the words of VDH himself, that Europe invented the most lethal military doctrine and machine in history. And also BTW, invented the most lethal ideological doctrines as well. It is just, that at this moment, this particular tiger is sleeping, like the US in 1939.

Steve ,(#38), It is precisely those Pew results that I had in mind when making the point that so many Arabs and Muslims seemed incapable or recognising any humanity in the victims of Al Queada simply because they were infidels. I was alluding to the moral sickness of societies that could regard the murder of 3000 innocents with such equanimity that they would trust the murderer.
In WW2 there was no question that the western allies were locked in mortal conflict with utterly ruthless enemies. The tools of war available to them made discrimination difficult. Even so there was widespread guilt felt at the bombing campaign - and little exultation felt at it's effects, the attitude was much more that these acts were the grim necessities of war.

Al Qeadas actions in SA may well alienate the Arab street, but the fact that only the deaths of Arabs could acheive this means that this is at best a tactical setback for the forces of terror rather than strategic one.

Snakes In The Grass

Beware......

Johan -
Well spoken.
One thing I have noticed with the left is that they expect not tolerance of others as in a democracy, their expectation is that all must make love to their ideal of multiculturalism - embrace it and meld with it.
Fundamentalist Islam, FARK, IRA, etc, while using socialists as a tool, have no such aspirations.

Why the U.S. is losing the intelligence war

[Link: www.atimes.com...]

It's interesting how the world is falling over itself condemning the suicide bombings in saudi.

The british foreign minister even called it ''inhuman barbarity'.

Don't recall expressions of revulsion quite so shrill when far more Israelis were blown up.

As regards the response of the saudi population, well, as someone earlier said, it's intereting how it takes the death of arabs in a suicide bombing for them to say 'suicide bombing is bad'.

Fuck 'em, fuck 'em, fuck 'em.

is that keffiyeh on the saudi's shoulders meant to be in the shape of "palestine"?