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Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 9:12:46 am PST

Good lord. This happened yesterday at Palisades Park in Los Angeles: Bringing down the wall protest photos.

(Hat tip: Commiewatch.)

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1 Ed Moran:Dr Abu Flatulus Maximus Presbyterius  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:13:43am

His dynamite looks rather, er, limp.

2 scaramouche  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:13:57am

Suggested retort: Balls and Walls.

3 Joel  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:14:20am

"Hamas Says No Wall" - all the more reason to build it. Poor Hamassholes swill then have to splodeydope in Ramallah.

4 Thom  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:15:25am

OK, why aren't the police beating this terrorist senseless before arresting him for parading around in a bomb (subsequently determined to have been a fake)?

5 K.  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:16:19am

Protest Warrior?

6 Ed Moran:Se&ntildeor Feliz  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:19:37am

Did you getta load of the granola eaters pushing over the carboard wall?

The "rabbi for peace" speaking to the dude with the mohawk?

I wonder what the "rabbi for peace" thought when he met the splodeydope for a day guy.

7 mark holland  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:20:16am

Looks like the good guys were out in force too (behind the LAPD)

botany moment: hey you have cycads in LA?

8 kayawanee  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:20:21am

Hamas says, "No Wall."

Of course with most placards, it is only a summary of a far more detailed response to the Israeli security fence. The rest goes like this:

We need to blow up JooOOoos (men, women & children). The new Israeli security fence makes that extremely difficult. Please take it down immediately, so we can blow up more JooOOoos . Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

9 Jim B  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:20:51am

Pity that guy's dynamite didn't blow up... one less idiot in the world.

10 Smit  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:21:22am

At least it looks like there was a counter-protest. Behind the police in the picture are Israeli and American flags. Also in the Indymedia photo essay there are a couple of pictures with JDL supporters.

The police know which protest is the risky one as well.

11 Max L  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:22:00am

OMGoodness. That guy with the bombs strapped to himself should be arrested. That photo is disgusting. Another big WoORD Up to Charles for his in the face updates. LGF's rules the blog world

www.nicejewishboy.net

Max L

12 bad elvin  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:23:00am

thom
exactly. why the hell is this guy allowed to walk around with simulated explosives. did the cops check, or just assume they were fake. i know they look fake, but things are not always what they appear to be, and crap like this sets a dangerous precedent.

13 K.  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:23:12am

Holy cow, I was just about to say that this guy can't be for real, that it's a hoax. Then I noticed that the picture was posted at indymedia by a pro-Pal sympathizer. This is bizarre beyond words.

14 Max L  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:23:24am
15 Throbert McGee  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:26:26am

Are we 100% sure that this protestor is anti-Israel? Because my first thought on seeing the picture was, ''Oh, he's asserting that if you oppose the wall, you implicitly support Hamas and the suicide bombers.''

(I suppose, though, that if he had intended to support the Israeli side, his sign would more likely have read Hamas says no fence.)

16 iagofest a.k.a. abu fly killa  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:27:49am

Who cares what Hamas thinks? I say: No Hamas! Obliterate them please, IDF!

17 Thom  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:31:09am

#11 Max L

Exactly. What would happen to him if he exercised his 1st amendment rights like that in or near an airport?

I suspect that he'd have a life expectancy of about 0.5 s.

But walking down the street dressed like a fucking Hamasnik with dynamite strapped to his body, well - that's just fine.

The stuff around his waist looks pretty weak, granted, but that belt across his chest looks pretty convincing to this non-EOD type of guy.

It's hard - and nauseating - to believe that this is constitutionally protected "speech" and I'd support a law defining what this asshole is doing as treason punishable by death in a time of war (like now).

18 Shtetl G  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:31:30am

The Gubenerator really has his work cut out for him.

Hey Arnold, what happened to hamas supporter/commie f#$% wad.

After Arnold drops him off a cliff. "I let him go"

I wish Arnold good luck because everyone is insane on the left coast.

19 Thom  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:32:07am

Oops! #17 was to #12 bad elvin. Sorry.

20 Thom  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:33:18am

And especially with regard to warnings of suicide bombers eventually wending their way to the US this shit is UNACCEPTABLE.

21 Mr. Bigglesworth  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:34:54am

I've got to agree with #15, this has got to be a pro-Israel protestor making a statment.

22 Frank IBC  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:34:58am

The "dynamite" around his waist looks more like giant chili peppers.

23 Lucile  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:35:58am

This is not free speach. This is crying "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre.

I guess it's O.K. though, as long as Allah says so.

24 dennisw  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:36:11am

Hamas doesn't want the Israeli security wall!!!

Who woulda thunk it!!! I'm absolutely gobsmacked I tell ya. (That's how they talk in England, people)

25 Thom  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:37:21am

#15 Throbert McGee

If he was pro-Israel, wouldn't he be behind the police - who appear to be separating the two sides.

And if he was pro-Israel, I doubt that his picture would have been so prominently displayed by idiotmedia.

?

26 Nancy  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:38:56am

They are crawling out of the woodwork showing their "true colors" and one can only hope that it will disgust and anger more and more who are at least sane and reasonable.

Because it sure seems like the more the ME, the LLL and the terrorist supporters try to defend their positions and actions --the more they disclose what their real goals and aims are.

One can hope ...

27 JWarrior  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:41:42am

I think that bloke with the sign and the explosive belt needs a light!


BANG!!! ONE LESS STAIN ON THE FACE OF HUMANITY!

28 K.  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:41:50am

#15 Throbert McGee

Because my first thought on seeing the picture was, ''Oh, he's asserting that if you oppose the wall, you implicitly support Hamas and the suicide bombers.''

That was my first thought also, especially after seeing the fake explosives wrapped around the guys head and the way he was posing for the camera. But then I noticed where the picture was posted. Maybe the person who posted it on indymedia wasn't a very bright bulb and didn't get the message, that's always possible. Or maybe the guy in the picture is trying to scare people by pretending to be a member of Hamas, dressing up like he saw them on TV.

29 SoCalJustice  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:44:19am

Well, it's not like I expected to see a sign (or t-shirts) proclaiming:

HAMAS says: RELAX
30 piglet  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:44:38am

Channel 5 ktla in Los angeles described the protest as
Palesinian and jewish groups, and interviewed
Rabbi Lenord Beerman, who is opposed to the wall.
and totally clueless.

THe only counter protestor they showed was holding a JDL sign ( with logo) saying, Keep the wall, get rid of the arabs, or something along those lines.

This is the same “moderate” Rabbi Beerman who served on the Executive Committee of the far-left Jewish Committee on the Middle East (JCOME), signing their ads which denounced Israel as a “pariah state” where "racialism, religious discrimination, militarism and injustice prevail," and where events "reminiscent of pogroms” take place that threaten “to stigmatize Jews everywhere.”


[Link: world.std.com...]

31 Nancy  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:44:38am

What I don't understand is --Hamas is a designated terrorist group. Why isn't this person arrested.

It is illegal to aid, abet, provide ANY support to terrorist groups. I would think dressing as a Hamas terrorist and holding a sign in support of Hamas IS sufficient grounds to arrest that man in the United States.

32 davic  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:45:17am

I agree with no. 15, I think this is an Israeli supporter mocking the peace idiots by symbolically showing how they are just tools of terrorists. I doubt that is really one of the self-hating Jews supporting Hamas.

33 Bob  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:45:29am

oh god bless the people behind this nutjob.

34 FreakyBoy  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:45:45am

"The Lobster" is a really fine resataurant behind the American flag on the right. Right at the mouth of the SM pier. Was a little seafood diner from the 40's-90's (my childhood is in that range...somewhere), torn down, made trendy, but retained the Lobster name. Highly recommended. Great view if you're not watching the above cr@p.

35 Lumiere  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:47:08am

Man, talk about an ambivalent photograph! I sort of agree with those who say it's pro-wall and anti-Hamas. After all, the sign says "Hamas says no wall" meaning that guys with explosive belts can come and go unhindered into Israel in order to kill. But I can see why others view this just the opposite. Too bad they can't have a little tag that says / sarcasm /.

36 DeadED  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:47:52am

What the fuck is wrong with you Americans?

really?

I mean if this happened in my neighbourhood I would jump the **** in a matter of millisecconds. Doesnt matter bout the cops being there either. If the cops objected I'd tell them to do their job in the first place and I wouldnt have to.
and I aint even the violent type

37 piglet  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:48:02am

Re: THe date of the protest. THe media said it was the date of the fall of the Berlin wall.
Curious that it is also the date of Kristalnacht nu?

38 Y&Y  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:48:45am

This protestor is pro-Israel.

This protestor is pro-Israel.

This protestor is pro-Israel.

39 JWarrior  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:49:33am

Hamas says...is that like Simon says, but for [bigoted word] nut jobs?

40 andrew  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:50:01am

#36 DeadED

Doesnt matter bout the cops being there either

Yeah, you'd just kick some cop ass, right?

41 JWarrior  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:51:23am

DeadED where are you from?

42 zulubaby  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:52:19am

I feel dirty going to Nazimedia. These people are sickening.

43 SoCalJustice  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:52:53am

L.A. cops != British Bobbies

44 DeadED  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:53:41am

Hheheheheheheee

I just realised the AWESOME IRONY of the fact that the the pro-palis cased the police to make a "apartheid wall" to seperate the Jews form the Arabs.

hahahahaha
o it hurts
aaahahahahahaha

45 piglet  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:54:07am

On the back of a t-shirt worn by a kiffyia wearing protestor:

Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

Becuase we all remember when KIng sent Ruby Bridges wearing a bomb belt onto the school bus...

Oh yeah, that never happened...

46 James  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:55:03am

OT:

Clashes erupted at a ceremony in Vienna commemorating the 65th anniversary of Kristallnacht. Sunday night’s clashes erupted after protesters at a commemorative event waved Palestinian flags and yelled anti-Israel slogans. The ceremony marked the night of Nov. 9-10, 1938, when Nazi-inspired rioters set synagogues and Jewish stores ablaze in Germany and Austria, a turning point in the Nazi persecution of the Jews.

BTW, I'm also pretty sure this guy is pro-Israel. I guess if he made people's blood boil he accomplished his goal. Hopefully people who oppose the fence without realizing that they are supporting Hamas see a different perspective now.

47 Camel Prophet  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:55:13am

In Terry, the Supreme Court permitted investigative detention. The Patriot Act gives police even greater powers. We have all seen the signs at the airport that read something like: 'we are required to take jokes about explosive devices seriously.' Persons have been convicted for joking about carrying bombs. LAPD should have arrested that creep.

48 zulubaby  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:55:40am

Throbert McGee (#15)

(I suppose, though, that if he had intended to support the Israeli side, his sign would more likely have read Hamas says no fence.)

Why?

49 moishe  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:56:03am

U guys got it all wrong- I saw this guy at the Pink Floyd show in Tampa back in '87. He's not happy at the band, thats all...

50 JWarrior  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:56:34am

SoCal is right! Even though he wrote it in computer code!

LA cops have big guns, British bobbies have big sticks!

You can knock a British coppers hat off and leg it, if you do the same to a US cop you gotta outrun the bullet!

51 Nekama - Mr. to you  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:56:47am

I tend to agree with #15 too. That photo sure seemed like a spot on parody of why Hamas would want the fence to be stopped.

However, given how far gone these wackos are, a terrorist walking around with explosives just looks perfectly acceptable.

End The Occupation!!

Of Israel by Arabs.

52 Tupsox  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:57:04am

This guys a protest warrior, if not in name then in spirit. This is satire, but sadly its lost on most of the people in attendance.

53 Camel Prophet  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:58:33am

OT:

The Jerusalem Post reports that the National Security Adviser to the Palestine Authority, has endorsed the terror-war against the legal occupation forces of Iraq. Okay, then I support total IDF war against the PA Islamofascists.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

54 SoCalJustice  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:59:29am

I'm with the crowd who feels "Hamas guy" is pro-Israel, mostly because he's making an astonishingly good point.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the solidarity types (and the cops) thought he was pro-Palistinian, which is actually pretty funny too.

55 Lumiere  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:59:47am

I'm probably mistaken here, but I recall that someone from DAFKA wore a similar get-up to a protest. Anyone remember?

56 Smit  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:59:58am

Comments on the pictures

The picture Charles has shown is headed 'Desperation' and subtitled "Desperate means for desperate people".
The picture is called nowall.jpg

So even if the protestor is pro-Israel, he was perceived to be on the morlock's side, by the morlocks.

57 DeadED  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:00:25am

#40

no I'm not cocky enough to think that I can take on half a dozen cops

but before the cops laid the smack-down on me I'd hopefully get a boot or two into the Hamasnik. Even if the cops stopped me before I could make the bastard feel some pain it would still be worth it just to give him a little scare. If this happens everytime then when the cops sees a splodydope they'll shut lock them up BEFORE things get out of hand

58 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:01:55am

For the US law hamas is a terrorist group.
This individual should have been arrested for conspiracy with a foreign terrorist group.
The Police has not done its duty.
Someone should answer to these questions.

59 BarCodeKing  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:02:53am

What irony!

Given a choice of "no wall" or "no Hamas," I'd prefer the latter.

60 Thom  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:03:20am

#35 Lumiere

Yeah. "Ambivalent" is perhaps an understatement.

I still think this guy is pro-terror. He's on the wrong side of the police line - behind the police is a sign saying "save Israel's statehood" amidst a number of American and Israeli flags. I can't tell what the red/gold flag on the right side of the pic is.

As I read this idiot he is saying: the terror bombings will continue as long as Israel tries to defend herself.

Ah ha! I think I found the clincher. Look at 9-countering-the_counters.jpg and 8-police-camera.jpg and compare them to 11-no-wall-1.jpg. The cop in the boots is the same one in the 3 pics, and clearly he's part of a line separating Israel supporters from terror supporters in the vicinity of the corner of Colorado Ave.

I'm convinced.

61 andrew  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:03:36am

#57 DeadED
Yes Ed, let's use violence to shut people up.

62 Barry  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:04:06am

I think the Left and Hamas are completely aligned in their genocidal intent. The goal of Nazislam (destruction of civilization, imposition of totalitarianism) is completely in sync with the Democratic Party's aspirations. I have no reason to think that this guy is a parody; he is a classic genocidal Democratic activist.

63 James  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:05:54am

#48 zb

Israel calls it a fence and the Palestinians call it a wall.

64 andrew  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:08:11am

#58
He is more likely a sympathizer than a conspirator.

65 SoCalJustice  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:10:33am

(#63) James:

Yes, but maybe he's just going for authenticity in his parody?

(#60) Thom:

I still think there's a chance the cops let this guy across the line because they thought he was pro-Palistinian.

Although obviously the indymediots think he's pro-Pal too.

Having said that, the guy's a net gain for Israel and a net loss for the solidarity types.

66 DeadED  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:10:49am

#44 JWarrior

I'm from Perth, Australia.

Jewish community is just under 10 thou but every time there is some protest at university you can betcha half the crowd is a bunch argry Jews telling them were they can stick their explosive belts. We succesfully got UWA to not-allow an ISM tool to come and preach hate on our campus. That same week we got the student Guild NEwspaper editor fired for allows in thArab Student group to print an anti-semetic joke. When Ali Kazak, the PLO delegate to Australia, cam to campus I personally told him to fuck off, raised my fist in the air and scearem "Am Yisrael Chai!!!" in his face. The looks on all the hippies faces in the crowd was priceless!

67 zulubaby  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:11:06am

James (#63)

Aah, thanks. I could care less what anyone calls it, as long as it keeps the mass-murderers away from the Israelis.

68 dhimmi smits  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:12:14am

pals and their supporters here and in the arab world always are victorious in their fantasy-world re-enactments - knocking down a wall of cardboard boxes is a perfect example. or burning cardboard israeli tanks in gaza. they do this, feel all great about themselves and what they've accomplished - like crack cocaine for their infantile psyches. the other demographic that is adept at living in fantasy worlds are, of course, children. what a bummer it is when reality sinks back in...they have to seethe and whine themselves into another frenzy of fantasy play.

69 Thom  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:13:30am

You know what? I think I might have to eat my words.

The link that #56 Smit put up has a video (no audio!!!) of this guy talking to police, and then - apparently - walking away from the terror-supporter area.

Maybe he really was parodying those asswads.

70 Vitten Kitten  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:14:45am

At the risk of being banned... is it just me, or is the protestor showing off the rarely seen "male camel toe?"

71 Thom  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:16:00am

Oh, and the other side of his sign reads "I'M JUST GOING TO WORK".

OK. He's a parody. But dammit, he needs to be more obvious and I still don't think it's a good idea to dress up as a suicide bomber no matter what your cause.

72 kayawanee  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:19:32am

#71 Thom

Oh, and the other side of his sign reads "I'M JUST GOING TO WORK".

Where did you see that? I just scanned the pictures again, and I didn't see the back of his sign.

73 DeadED  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:19:39am

#61 Andrew,

Im usuallt more tolerant than most to others opinions, but this crosses the line of where I will be PC. A Hamasnik is no better than a Nazi and if saw Nazi I would sick myself onto him as well. Yes violence can solve problems sometimes; every time the IDF puts a bullet through the head of a Hamas roach it SOLVES A PROBLEM

74 K.  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:20:23am

#71 Thom

Oh, and the other side of his sign reads "I'M JUST GOING TO WORK".

Is that in the video? (can't open it)

75 Thom  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:20:33am

#72 kayawanee

Here's the llink:

[Link: la.indymedia.org...]

76 Thom  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:21:28am

#74 K.

Yes, it was on the video (a Quicktime movie).

77 andrew  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:22:11am

#73 DeadED
I'm not talking about being PC - I'm talking about the right to assemble peacefully...even for asshats.

78 Deathberg  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:22:30am

Those Protest Warriors need to show a little more sensitivity.

79 SoCalJustice  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:25:06am

(#78) Deathberg:

Those Protest Warriors need to show a little more sensitivity.

How? By dressing up as a female suicide bomber?

80 zulubaby  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:25:22am

From the video it looks like the police were keeping very close to those protesters.

81 DeadED  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:27:51am

#77 Andrew

I agree with the right to assemble peacefully but this guy is not just an asshat he is inciting violence. Lets not forget what Hamas stand for now. When someone says they support Hamas (or the Nazi's) they are saying that they want to see me dead no that they disagree with my views and mean to engage me in scholarly debate

82 QueenEsther  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:29:09am
83 JOEY  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:30:38am

No guts required to strap on a set of CLOTH dynamite sticks and prance around like a pretend mass murderer.

What's up with the pretend dynamite around the head?

84 K.  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:30:41am

OK, so he's pro-Israel. What he did was pretty stupid though. He risked being arrested or beaten up by demonstrators on both sides (he's lucky DeadED wasn't there).


Funny how he fooled both LGF and Indymedia :)

85 DeadED  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:30:51am

dont worry Andrew it looks like he was a protest warrior after all. My blood has calmed down to simmer.

86 andrew  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:32:00am

#85 DeadED
No worries :-)

87 Thom  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:33:20am
#83 JOEY What's up with the pretend dynamite around the head?

Over-the-top parody?

#84 K. He risked being arrested or beaten up by demonstrators on both sides

In that sense, his stunt was a miserable failure.

88 Y&Y  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:33:54am

The Mossad and Shin Bet to investigate baby deaths
By ASSOCIATED PRESS

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

The Mossad and Shin Bet secret service agencies have joined the investigation of a faulty baby formula that has been linked to the deaths of three infants, a Health Ministry spokesman said Monday.

The director general of the ministry, Boaz Lev, raised the possibility of sabotage to the kosher soy-based milk substitute, saying "it is impossible to know if this is intentional or not."

The ministry said tests had revealed that the formula of the Israeli company Remedia did not contain Vitamin B1, even though the package said the product included the essential nutrient.

When asked to comment on reports the Mossad and Shin Bet are involved in the investigation, ministry spokesman Robbie Steinberg told The Associated Press "all of the agencies are involved." The secretive agencies did not comment on the reports.

Vitamin B1, also known as thiamin, is vital for development of the nervous system in babies.

Health Ministry officials say more than 20 infants suffered from a disorder caused by a deficiency in the vitamin after drinking the formula, and three have died.

After determining the formula did not contain the vitamin, the Health Ministry called for all infants who had been fed the soy drink for extended periods to be checked by a doctor.

89 Meryl Yourish  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:35:32am

Sure it is. It pisses off the pro-palis. That's a net gain in my book.

90 del  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:37:46am

#15, 32, 54, 71 etc. I agree.

It looks like that particular hamas costumed protestor was a sarcastic counter-protestor mixing in with the antiwall crowd, but most of the the pali sympathizers didn't get it, since they agreed with his sentiments.

From Greg Yardley's Commiewatch blog:

UPDATE: This Quicktime movie, also posted at L.A. Indymedia, makes it a bit more clear that the costumed 'bomber' is a rather clever counter-protestor. I'm amused that, given the attitudes of most of the actual protestors, it's extremely hard to tell what side he's on - the leftists who posted his picture to Indymedia certainly thought he was on their, pro-Palestinian side.

91 Smit  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:42:43am

OT - Expect CAIR to be all over this:
Middle Eastern Children Allegedly Kicked Off Bus

92 SoCalJustice  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:46:42am

(#91) Smit:

It's the top "news release" on their website right now.

link

93 fireman  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:52:57am

Can someone give a roundup of the supposed "Death-to-Israel, she can't build the wall, the Jooos should be blown up" rallies yesterday?

I didn't see anything on newscasts here in the Northeast (USA). How big were the rallies in Europe?

94 iagofest a.k.a. abu fly killa  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:56:05am

#91 Smit,

Usually kids get kicked off of buses for acting up. I'm waiting to hear the other side of the story. I'm not surprised the kids didn't say what they did to get kicked off. Wah! Poor us! We were misbehavin' and had to walk home. Racism!

95 rosh  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:56:22am
#17   Thom a law defining what this asshole is doing as treason punishable by death in a time of war (like now)

1918 Sedition Act:
Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully ... promote the success of its enemies, or ... incite insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or shall willfully obstruct . . . the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, or . . . shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States . . . or shall willfully display the flag of any foreign enemy, or shall willfully . . . urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of production . . . or advocate, teach, defend, or suggest the doing of any of the acts or things in this section enumerated and whoever shall by word or act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United States is at war or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States therein...

First you have to convince your government we are really truly at war.

(Actually i dont know if this act was ever repealed. anyone know?)

96 scaramouche  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:58:55am

OT: S.A. expecting more attacks.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

(While Bergen is a credible terrorism expert, I lost most of my respect for him when he was asked whether the Palestinians had a valid viewpoint. "Well," he responded, "they (the Israelis did take their land.")

97 Colt  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 9:03:58am

LMAO! That took balls! Good thing the pro-Palies are so goddamn stupid.

That said, I undertsand that walking around wearing an (admittedly pretty crappy) bomb belt wasn't too smart...

98 Colt  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 9:06:07am

#91 Smit

Hmm. Certainly possible, but I have my doubts.

99 luddite  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 9:06:40am

I'm with Throbert - I think this is one of 'our guys' striking out protestwarrior.com-style.

I doubt the Indymidiots got it, though.

100 scott in east bay  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 9:10:17am

They had one of the wall protests up here in San Francisco yesterday. The Indybaymedia site says there were "hundreds" there. In translation into reality, that means there were somewhere between 25 and 100. (You always have to put their figures in perspective. For the Oct 25 demo up here, Indymedia insists there were 15,000 when everyone else says no more than 5000 during the whole day. Dream on)

101 Nancy  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 9:12:25am

OK --I am also becoming convinced he might have done it as a parody. It makes more sense than the cops standing by watching someone who might have been a "real Hamas" supporter.

That he was perhaps "checked out" meaning they did confirm those were fake and he was "pro-Israel."

102 veebee  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 9:20:22am

Is it carrots strapped around his body?

103 AG the angry Texan  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 9:21:42am

LOL!!!

104 K.  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 9:58:49am

Charlotte Kates' email address is Intifadawomyn@aol.com. No joke.

105 jimmytheclaw  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 10:01:35am

gotta love the back of his sign someone send it to charles so i can save the pict and email it just gotta love i'm just going to work part

106 bad elvin  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 10:09:41am

I think I called this one wrong at first glance too, but I still don't like the idea of someone displaying explosive-like props in public. could be hazardous to the wearers health in a concealed-carry area as well. great idea for a counter-protest poster though.

107 AB  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 10:12:59am

Suicide bombers say no to security fence!

This needs to be a sign.

108 One More Cowboy  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 10:45:17am

Hey DeadEd,

YOU ROCK!

109 Jafub  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 10:50:35am

#104 K.

Thank you.

110 Viking the Kitten  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 11:13:36am

I wondered how the rabid little stalker at LGF Stalk would deal with this dillemma. Is his lust to embarass Charles (his personal Mango) stronger than the stupidity of leading his (mostly imaginary) audience to threads that, in fact, make a mockery of LGF Stalker's belief system?

Apparently, stupidity won out.

111 Viking the Kitten  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 11:15:51am

By dillemma, I meant that the subject of the picture that is the basis for this thread is apparently a parodist, not an adherent, of the idiotarian worldview... making this photo a "hoax."

112 zulubaby  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 11:21:11am

Viking the Kitten (#110)

Most telling is the very first link on the LGF Stalk site ... Electronic Intifada. No big surprise there.

113 zulubaby  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 11:23:54am

Oh wait! The LGF Stalker is branching out into off-topic posts.

Thursday, November 06, 2003
Wingnut Debate Dictionary
Slightly off-topic, but here's an interesting compilations of weblog debating slang.
// posted by F @ 10:51 AM

LOL!

114 Marine MP VV  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 11:27:23am

Here is an example of the bent logic used by hamas (refuse to use caps): Whenever one of their members is killed we always hear that this will cause rivers of blood to flow.
The best way to describe this response is: "You better not kill us before we kill you, or we will really kill you"
Mental midgets or what?

115 Frank IBC  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 11:32:33am

Maybe if this guy has even more time on his hands than he already has, he can branch out further and start "PDM Watch", "Zulubaby Watch", "Geepers Watch", "Viking the Kitten Watch", etc... (and of course, "Frank IBC Watch").

I mean, anyone who finds time to post the earth-shattering news that the diabolical Charles has shut off comments again, must have a HELL of a lot of time.

Once again, I am forced to reconsider my long-standing opposition to the Inheritance Tax.

116 Viking the Kitten  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 11:32:55am

Invoking the wrath of the LGF Stalker is a bit like poking a moderately-retarded bear in the eye with a stick. I am wondering how long before I get singled out for a personal attack or "satirical" allegation.

But alas, the Stalker only has eyes for Charles.

117 zulubaby  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 11:34:46am
Maybe if this guy has even more time on his hands than he already has, he can branch out further and start "PDM Watch", "Zulubaby Watch", "Geepers Watch", "Viking the Kitten Watch", etc... (and of course, "Frank IBC Watch").

Does my hair look okay?

118 Frank IBC  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 11:36:21am

It must be that gorgeous silky black hair of his. :)

119 zulubaby  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 11:36:47am
But alas, the Stalker only has eyes for Charles.

Never mind about my hair.

120 Athos  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 11:42:13am

#95 Rosh -

No, the info that I have is that the 1918 Sedition Act was never formerly repealed. It remains on the books - however - it is not generally enforced by the Government today. It was

If it were to be enforced, it would probably result in the arrest of tens of thousands including most of the Democrat and Hollywood elites not to mention the ACLU. They pretty much define this act as censorship and a violation of the First Amendment. I couldn't find any reference in a quick search of the SCOTUS ruling on this point. Nor can I find reference if this act was specifically used to justify the internment of Japanese Americans or the trials of people like Tokyo Rose.

It is one of the rallying points of the LLL against the US. You can think of it as a 1918 version of the Patriot Act.

You also open another interesting point - is this really, in the legal sense a war? Immediately after 9/11, there were calls for a declaration of war against terrorism, but the LLL argued that not only was a declaration unneeded, but one cannot declare war against an act or entity, but have to declare war against a country.

Others claim that legal requirements for a declaration of war (although termed as authorization for the use of force) were made when Congress granted the President the rights for pursuit of terrorists, the invasion of Afghanistan, and the invasion of Iraq in independent votes.

Fundamentally, though, IMHO, we should be at war, and acting as if a state of war does exist with the organizations and nations that promote terrorism against not only the US, but other nations including Israel. One of the concerns that I have with the entire process is that as a country, we are not in a war mindset or footing. Imagine how history would be different if the US reacted to Pearl Harbor in the same manner we have reacted to 9/11?

121 Frank IBC  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 11:42:17am

Zulubaby -

It's divine, as always. But be prepared for scurrilous articles such as this...

ZulubabyWatch

Today's Question:

Natural? Or Bottle???

122 Frank IBC  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 11:43:32am

And his lustrous green skin...

And maybe he has cigar S&M fantasies...

123 Viking the Kitten  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 11:44:04am

What's funny is, the LGF Stalker will probably put up a post saying how we're all ... whining, wailing, whatever... and start furiously polishing Flipper at the imagined distress he causes us... not realizing he's a bigger joke than Rainbow PUSH's financial records.

124 Cosmicview  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 11:47:10am

The guy was a UCLA student who is very pro Israel, yes it was a parody. His point was that Hamas was in favor of the fence being torn down so they could kill more Israeli women and children.
Apparently some of the anti fence people knew so little about the issues they were close to changing sides when brought into discussion with the pro Israeli folks.
The some old lefties were the core group of anti fence protesters and they shadowed and filmed those who came out to support Israel
The local women in black leader ( an angry uber leftist) appeared to be the leader of the allow Muslims to continue to murder Jews group.
The JDL folks were rather loud and confrontational and did not make a good presentation to those who were passing by. But it's nice to know that finally some Jews are made as hell and are not going to take it anymore.
Standwithus was there to engage the dark forces and attempted to bring reason and truth to those who happened to be there yesterday. They shared facts and passed out flayers giving those who wanted to know some history. Too bad the media continues to go for the bait and not the facts when reporting these issues.
I was told there were about 150 bad guys and about 30 some good guys there.

125 Cybrludite  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 11:53:41am

Hey, I can understand the confusion here. The LLL's keep doing things that defy parody...

126 Throbert McGee  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 11:57:43am

ZulubabyWatch
Today's Question:
Natural? Or Bottle???

I hear her cuffs and collar don't match...

127 zulubaby  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 12:05:57pm

Throbert McGee (#126)

I hear her cuffs and collar don't match...

I'm always coordinated, dahling.

Frank IBC, look what you've done now!

128 PDM  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 12:10:20pm
ZulubabyWatch
Today's Question:
Natural? Or Bottle???

I hear her cuffs and collar don't match...

Very natural, very coordinated... with spiked heels that could take out any man's eye.

129 Viking the Kitten  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 12:11:44pm

Wow, Frank and Throbert are cattier than I am... which is ironic on any number of levels.

130 SoCalJustice  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 12:13:58pm

(#129) VTK:

Just wait till they're smoother than you, after you change your nic to Butters.

131 RIP Ford  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 12:16:42pm

#129 Viking the Kitten

LOL!

132 zulubaby  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 12:17:52pm

Frank IBC (#118)

It must be that gorgeous silky black hair of his. :)

Actually, PDM did a number on Charles a few months ago and now his hair is green!

133 veebee  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 12:31:20pm

Cosmicview

Apparently some of the anti fence people knew so little about the issues they were close to changing sides when brought into discussion with the pro Israeli folks.

It's usually the case. If you only try, you can get 75% of committed LLLs change thier worldview in 15 minutes. They are not that attached to any particular ideology, only radical aesthetics. They are just gullible people... What beats me is that they listen to you and they wound up changing their mind, but they never ask how you know what you know. I'm not sure if it's good or bad.

134 dgd  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 1:39:57pm

"Hamas Says No Wall" ???

I like the sound of

"Wall says no Hamas"

135 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 1:47:57pm

#70
"At the risk of being banned... is it just me, or is the protestor showing off the rarely seen 'male camel toe?'"

Yep, proof positive that he's a counter-protestor and not a dhimmi.

136 Rayra of the Muchos Nombres  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 2:03:56pm
#117 zulubaby 11/10/2003 01:34PM PST
Does my hair look okay?

lol. Yes. But does this post make my butt look big?

137 Ms. Andi  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 2:22:08pm

Coming into this cold.

I think he's spoofing to make a point to the LLL. A point probably lost on them.

138 Victor of the Apes  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 2:46:25pm

I know hes pro Israel, Bewcause The other side of his side says "I'm Just Going to Work!" I saw him on TV.
Hes being funny.

139 Mike Reynolds  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 2:57:52pm

Of course, this must've been reported as a Peace demonstration! (Can anyone tell me for sure?)

140 Stop Hillary  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 3:01:26pm

Somewhere tonight there are Democrat politicians looking to outlaw toy guns. Yet arseholes like the idiot above can walk around unhindered. Go figure.

The LA cops have largely been neutered by the PC crowd after the Rodney (the "recidivist") King episode. I'm sure that any cop hassling this guy would have lost his job. If he parked illegally, well then they might pinch him for that.

I would like to think that if the same guy showed up dressed like that at Grand Central, cops and a K-9 would have had him subdued in a nanosecond. But I have my doubts. At too many levels we aren't convinced that we are fighting a war.

141 JonathanD  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 3:18:45pm

...is that Richard Jewel in the photo?

142 zulubaby  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 4:07:50pm

Rayra of the Muchos Nombres (#136)

But does this post make my butt look big?

Not at all, very flattering actually.

143 BruceR  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 5:17:19pm

"What kind of a man wears Armor hotdogs?"

144 andthenblammo!  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 6:38:35pm

All in all it's just another dick against the wall.

/Pink Floyd in an alternative universe.

145 Nadine  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 7:46:35pm

Surely, this guy is spoofing. Hamas does say "No Wall" - and for the very reason this guy illustrated! they want to send suicide bombers! The photo made me laugh.

146 piglet  Mon, Nov 10, 2003 8:13:27pm

Big question is: how ome the LA tv stations and the LA times didn't show this guy? Could it be because he didn't fit their agenda?

147 roop  Fri, Nov 14, 2003 1:10:03pm

jeebus, you guys are hilarious:

Got a confirmation from a pro-Israeli, anti-terrorist counter-protestor in Los Angeles yesterday; the costumed 'bomber' was also a pro-Israeli counter-protestor.
148 Charles  Fri, Nov 14, 2003 1:22:03pm

roop: You know what's even more hilarious? When losers like you come prancing in, enlightening us all how "hilarious" we are without bothering to read any of the 146 comments before yours, in which, if you had read them, you would have discovered that everyone here already knew that.

Weenie.

149 piglet  Fri, Nov 14, 2003 3:34:10pm

THere is a great quote from Golda Meir about how people like to give supportive speahes about jews at our funerals, but we won't die just so they can sya nice things about us.

Yet the left continues to love dead jews: The LA WEEKLY even said some nice things about Irv Rubin:

At the memorial, as one loyalist rose after another, the home video quickly became a spontaneous image-building exercise.

Rubin a terrorist?

Oy vey, no — more like super-mensch.

One woman recounted how Rubin donated blood to her cancer-stricken daughter. Rabbi Zvi Block recalled how Rubin walked from the synagogue to the rabbi’s house in socks after Block admonished Rubin for wearing leather on Yom Kippur. One friend talked of Rubin’s love for Turkish baths, and how Rubin could stand naked in the steam with men of all creeds and colors. Melrose Larry Green, the well-circulated gadfly, upped the celebrity ante by asserting that Jewish comedian Jackie Mason also adored Rubin, even though Mason, unfortunately, has stopped talking to Melrose Larry.

Family friend Alan Epstein insisted that “Irv never allowed us to bring weapons with us” to protests, not even baseball bats. But Rubin made Jew-haters think twice, said Epstein. “He made them realize that Jews are going to fight back and maybe you’ll get hurt, too, and it won’t be so much fun.”

150 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2003 10:23:07pm

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