islam connected to terrible violence???

no way!!

Israeli military sources say Hamas, sworn to Israel's destruction, receives $10 million a year from Saudi sources.

Did Reuters just tell the truth about Hamas' intentions? Wow. Of course it's in the second to last paragraph, but - wow.

Most of the victims were Arabs.

Yes, Arab Christians. Fair game, surely?

See? Hamas isn't all that bad. Let's send them a few million for their humanitairan work.

/ EU

There is an article in the Toronto Globe and Mail today (link below) suggesting that the intended targets in the recent Saudi bommbing were Christian Arabs and not Muslims.

[Link: www.theglobeandmail.com...]

Oh, the dears are considering another hudna. I believe them. You?

Whoops - sorry for the typo.

So Hamas condemns the killings in SA? Maybe they can put a little of their money where their mouths are? Oh, right, they can't spend any money on their own people, so why would they send money to help anyone else?

Words are just so many syllables, and just as cheap.

Since there is nowhere else to post this message, I will go off-topic here, Mea Culpa. The bombing of the paramilitary Italian police really yanks my crank. This terrorist insurgency must be defeated, and the White House better use that 87 Billion wisely and stop this Battle of the Bulge that is taking place in Iraq, this last stand must be the last stand. All the players have a role, the Baathists, Al Qaeda, Iran, Syria, the Saudis, and we must face them down in force. If Iraq fails, then all the progress made in the War on Islamism will be reveresed. This will take resolve, but it will also take toughness, total war, and ingenuity. The governing council suggested the formation of a large paramilitary force made up of Shiites and Kurds, this makes sense, especially in the south and north, freeing up more of our men to cut off the head of the resistence in the Sunni Triangle. Why do we fight them on this? It makes no sense. There are 100000 battle hardened Kurdish Peshmerga in the North and we disbanded them for the most part, this was a huge mistake. We also need sniper squads ready to take out anyone doing anything suspicious. Finally, we need about 20000 more troops, mostly special forces and marines, to act as a more effective anti-insurgency force. We need to get this done, and done as quick as we can. The US can stand loss, but we need to feel progress being made on the military level. Bremer better be in Washington to get something done, or people like me are really going to start to get pissed. Iraq was the right place to draw in our enemy and defeat them, now can we please do it right. Bush must see we will be behind him more if he does what he must to win, than if he panders to the far left and keeps pussy footing around.

Hey, kids! In an awkward bind because people think you're bloodthirsty savages? Try Condemnation (TM)! It's easy, costless, and fun! It works for Yasser - it can work for you too! Condemn your friends! Condemn your enemies! Condemnation (TM) impresses the hell out of the UN and the EU! Just don't condemn anyone who gives you lots of money, or that will really suck.

"Hamas condemns the bombing attack...which led to the killing of innocent children and women and other civilians," the Islamic militant group said in a statement on a pro-Hamas web site. It said the Riyadh bombing "aimed to harm the security and stability of an Arab and Muslim country that represents a fundamental part of our nation."

A US administration is in a prime position to demand that Saudi Arabia -- and eventually the rest of the Arab League -- formally recognize Israel as promised in the Beirut Peace Proposal. This should be made an integral part of any reform process designed to salvage the stability of the Saudi regime. No one can honestly expect the US to carry the load of the Quartet Road Map by itself, and to press Israel for more concessions, without an Israeli electorate that is confident in its security. This is a golden opportunity to make it unequivocally clear that if it is peace they truly want, all parties must do what is necessary to bring it about.

Again we see that the Arab world is complacent against Jews and Israelis by condemning all attacks on "innocent civilians" which of course exempts the infidel Israeli Zionist Jews because they are not innocent in the eyes of the Arab world.

DESTROY HAMAS NOW!

Joshua (Texas) (#9): "Bush must see we will be behind him more if he does what he must to win, than if he panders to the far left and keeps pussy footing around."

Since when has Bush ever had a reason to pander to the far left?

WASHINGTON - The Senate agreed to broad new
economic and trade sanctions on Syria, citing
Syria's long history of sheltering terrorists and
its more recent failure to muzzle forces hostile
to U.S. actions in Iraq. "We cannot have relationships with Syria and
close our eyes to the truth, and the truth is
that they are in fact supporting terrorism in
ways that are very, very clear," said Senator
Barbara Boxer of California.

The House-passed bill gives the president the
power to waive the two sanctions for national
security reasons. The Senate bill extends that
waiver to include dual-use sales. Senator Arlen Specter, a frequent visitor to
Syria, said that while Syria hasn't done enough
in the war on terrorism, applying sanctions was
complicated because the Damascus government has
provided information on Al-Qaida and taken
other actions to help the United States since
the September 11 attacks.
[Link: www.haaretzdaily.com...]

When it is Democratic congressional voices demanding greater accountability from Arab regimes that the Bush administration considers "allies," while Republican congressional leadership defends the administration's overlooking of it (if he even signs the bill after it goes through the House again, anyone want to bet how long before Bush uses the security waiver?), it is odd that we would want to see that as "pandering to the far left."

Just in time for Ramadam Exploding Korans!!!

Arabs kill other Arabs

Blame Bush. It worked on Sharon last time.

I'm home sick today with the flu, so I was watching the morning latte shows. I just saw in the scrolling news at the bottom of ABC's GMA the following: (paraphrased) "Arafat admits Israel has a right to exist in peace." Did anyone else see this, or am I having a Sudafed-induced hallucination?

It said the Riyadh bombing "aimed to harm the security and stability of an Arab and Muslim country that represents a fundamental part of our nation."

Look at what they are saying: a fundamental part of our nation Are they talking about the caliphate?
If so, I wonder what the House of Saud thinks about that

David Pryce-Jones in today's WSJ:

The Saudi Revolution: Can Riyadh Reform Before the Saudi Family Falls?

#16 Carrie

Yeah, I saw that too.

#16 Carrie
#18 Ms Andi

I saw the same thing on CNN in our company lunchroom. I also overheard a couple talking about it. the woman said something like "hey, that's new" and the guy,said "It doesn't matter what he says in English, it's what he says in Arabic that counts"

Not only is that true, but more and more people understand arfish's tricks

Carrie and Ms. Andi (16 and 19, resp.),

The Arafat comment is being widely reported. But it's still pretty much what he already agreed to with Oslo, so take it with however many grains of salt you wish. Arafat also maintains control of Palestinian security forces, and we already know (from the BBC, no less) that Arafat doles out at least $50,000 a month to the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. So, unless the myriad of interested third parties actually holds him to it, anything Arafat says can't really mean a whole lot to anyone who follows this stuff with any measure of good faith.

#18 J.D.

Saw the article this morning. There is a little gem buried in it too. When some Wahhabi fanatics took over a mosque in Mecca in 1979, the oil ticks had to import the French Special Forces to take them out. How pathetic is that? Must have really stuck in the Saudi's craw to have infidels in that precious patch of dirt.

#21 Zionista and #19 Ms. Andi:

Relative to the Arafish quote, I was just relaying what I had seen. I certainly did not wish to imply that I actually BELIEVED it!

What's scary is that everytime he appears conciliatory, he is, in reality, revving up for another outrage.

Carrie Wade (23): "What's scary is that everytime he appears conciliatory, he is, in reality, revving up for another outrage."

That's a clear enough pattern. But now that he's saying such things out loud for international consumption, it would surely be nice if all interested third parties -- from our own representatives, to EU consulates and embassies, and human rights NGOs -- were to actually hold Arafat and the new Palestinian leadership in particular to such statements in recognition of Israel's right to exist in peace and security. Somehow, Arab leadership is never as humiliated when caught lying as when they keep shooting themselves in the foot.

[Link: www.acwitness.org...]

Now it's "the Army of Mohammed." Does it even matter what they name themselves from one day to the next anymore? Maybe it's me, but the humiliation rap in the Reuters piece below seems just a little too spoonfed to be real....

BAGHDAD, Nov 12 (Reuters) - If Washington doubts there is Iraqi public support for guerrillas killing its troops, it should consider the teen-agers who happily watched American blood spill Wednesday.

After a roadside bomb ripped through a military vehicle and wounded two soldiers, Iraqi boys rushed out of their homes to survey the damage.

"This is good. If they ask me, I will join the resistance. The Americans have to die," said Ali Qais, 15. "They are just here to steal our oil."

The U.S. administration has long dismissed the guerrillas as isolated "terrorists" who are Saddam Hussein loyalists or foreign Islamic militants.

But the scene in the Sarafiya district of Baghdad suggests they are winning the sympathy of Iraqis, whose joy at Saddam's fall has been overshadowed by anti-American rage.

Teen-age boys were irritated to hear that two American soldiers were wounded, not killed.

"I saw them pushing their hands onto one of the Americans' chest. They must have died. One soldier's friend was crying," said Abdullah Oman, 18.

His fury has been fueled by what he says is an American desire to humiliate all Iraqis.

He said he believes that U.S. troops plant the bombs themselves, risking American lives to terrify and kill Iraqis.

"They are watching us die and laughing. They humiliate us. They handcuffed me and arrested me in front of my parents late one night because I stood on my house porch after curfew," he said.

CIA WARNING

A new CIA report on Iraq warns of growing popular support for insurgents combating U.S. occupation forces and says efforts to rebuild the country could collapse without immediate corrective action, the Philadelphia Inquirer said Wednesday.

The newspaper, quoting unnamed administration officials, also said in an article that the classified document's bleak view of the situation in Iraq has been privately endorsed by Iraq's U.S. governor, Paul Bremer.

Guerrillas have killed 155 American soldiers since President Bush declared major combat over on May 1.

In the months after the war, Iraqis voiced frustration with the American failure to crack down on looters and restore basic services.

Now talk has turned increasingly violent, especially among teen-agers. They have watched American soldiers arrest their fathers and body-search their mothers during intrusive raids.

Iraqis are angrier and guerrillas are carrying out more spectacular attacks such as suicide bombings and mortar strikes on the main U.S. compound in Saddam's former palace.

Shortly after Wednesday's bombing teen-agers in Sarafiya picked up leaflets from a group calling itself the Army of Mohammad.

"Patience, patience Baghdad. The occupation army will be destroyed," the leaflets said.

Residents of the working-class area watched as a U.S. soldier poured water and sand over the pools of blood from his comrades.

"I want to join these Iraqi fighters. I want to hit the Americans, the infidels," said Ali Ahmed, 10.

11/12/03 11:20 ET

#10 BC

Condemnation (TM)*

*Explosives sold seperately.

#16 Carrie Wade

Did anyone else see this, or am I having a Sudafed-induced hallucination?

Did he say it in arabic or english? If he said it in English you can probably dismiss it outright. If he said it in Arabic, chances are you are having a Sudafed-induced hallucination. What he says to the Western press and the arabic press are usually two completely different things.

This article truly shows how "religous extremists" value the sanctity of their book, as well as their fellow muslims. How can the average Saudi support AQ when they are the people that are being targeted?

Paper says militants rigged Koran with explosives
Wed 12 November, 2003 08:06

RIYADH (Reuters) - Muslim militants planning attacks in Saudi Arabia's holiest city, Mecca, booby-trapped copies of Islam's holy book, the Koran, to kill and maim pilgrims, a leading Saudi-owned newspaper has reported.

The London-based daily Asharq al-Awsat on Wednesday quoted Saudi security sources as saying that this novel weapon was discovered in the arms caches police found after raiding militant hideouts in Mecca and the capital Riyadh in recent weeks.

Suspected al Qaeda militants killed at least 18 people this week in a suicide car bombing at a Riyadh residential compound housing mainly Arab expatriates.

Last week, police besieged militant safe houses in both cities and killed five Islamists in the clashes. In Mecca, police said they had found tonnes of explosives and rocket propelled grenade launchers, which Interior Minister Prince Nayef bin Abdul Aziz said were to be used to attack pilgrims.

In July, police searching militant caches in Mecca found souvenir clocks resembling the Koran that had been booby-trapped.

Asharq al-Awsat said the militants had also stuffed explosives into water bottles, which pilgrims normally carry into the shrines, and that they were planning to dress up in wigs and women's clothes to become less conspicuous in public.

Women in Saudi Arabia, and in the holy shrines in particular, are required to wear loose, black cloaks that cover them from head to toe. Some women also cover their faces.

Saudi Arabia has launched a crackdown on suspected al Qaeda militants after triple suicide bombings in Riyadh in May killed 35 people, mostly foreigners.

Since then, Asharq al-Awsat said police had found a large number of meat cleavers and swords, which experts said indicated the militants were willing to hack their victims in the same style as Islamist radicals in Algeria.

The newspaper said the militants were also well-prepared to carry out assassinations and that they relied on surveillance cameras to avoid being caught.

An excellent post from Europundits by Nelson Ascher.

The solution cannot be expected only from Israel. All neighbours will have to contribute. Even Syria, as soon, as the Baathists there are deposed. And the contribution the other countries will make would be, with important territorial changes and readjustments, a return to the pre-1967 status quo. I mean: a real return. In other words, Jordan will have to reabsorb what will be left of the West Bank and Egypt will have to do the same with Gaza. There will be no more Palestinians. The Cisjordanians will become citizens of the Hashemite kingdom and the inhabitants of Gaza will become Egyptians. As, in fact, they all were between 1948 and 1967. Then, after being militarily crushed by the IDF with the backing of the US and in spite of European protests, the remnants of Fatah, Hamas and so on will be Mubarak’s and the Hashemites’ problem. The walls and fences separating Israel from the Palestinians will be a defence against Egypt and Jordan.

Read The whole thing.

Palestinians want peace with Israel

uh.....BULLSHIT!!

Al Jazeera..all the news thats fit to slant.

Before the bombing, Saudi religious police apparently paid a visit to the compound to investigate women swimming in bikinis. Worse, males and females were seen partying together.

File this under the heading (as I'm sure the Guardian does) that the infidels got what they deserved:

Saudis say lifestyle was under scrutiny

#26 Zionista: They humiliate us. They handcuffed me and arrested me in front of my parents late one night because I stood on my house porch after curfew," he said.

You're lucky it wasn't me there, you slimy shitbag jjihadi.

I'd have put a couple or rounds through each of your eyes.

"They humiliate us." Wah, wah, wah.

How about when Saddam's boys would cut out your tongue and let you bleed to death in the street in front of your parents? Would you find that huniliating?

Ungratefull little shit.

OK its time to weigh the advantages and disavantages of being in Iraq. I invite comment.

Why should we stay there? Tell me , rationally.

Julia the Horrible (34): "Why should we stay there? Tell me , rationally."

Because we kicked over their genuinely murderous fascist regime, and we can't allow a new one (or a variation of the old one) sprout up where it once was. Otherwise we'd be right back where we started from, and the price of all the lives and all the diplomatic risk will have been wasted.