(my ass™)

hello

Daniel:

Hi right back at you!

Unfortunately, we are all preaching to the choir here. This message needs to get into the main-stream media but they're still in the ROP/PC mode. On the other hand, I don't want to see a wholesale slaughter of muslims here in the US - and we ARE capable of doing just that, some of us.

Are the EU and US still paying for these?

OT. A must read from VDH, who talks about battle.

WTF? No wonder muslims in Europe are causing so much culture clash with Europe's contemporary and secular society.

11th grade? It's about time to get ready to graduate and enter a profession.

Makes me wonder how Palestinian 11th graders sign each other's yearbooks.

Mohammed! (Peace be upon you!) It was cool getting to know you at anti-Zionist Homecoming and anti-Zionist prom. Hope you have a 'BLAST' this summer. I know I will. Jihad 4ever--- Ibrahim

Now why is this not a story on CNN? How much more do we really need to analyze the Laci Peterson case and Kobe Bryant. HELLO!!! You dumb, head- in- the sand, in-the-box thinking liberal journalasses -There's actually a story here!

The Belmont Club scenario is looking more and more like an inevitability

Paging Charles Martel.

I wish, I really wish that the majority of Muslims believed that Jihad was something internal and psychological. It would do so much to help Islam make peace with the West if Muslims would actually behave and believe the way their propagandists say they do. If you read those "invitation to Islam" pamphlets, they paint the picture of a fairly reasonable monotheistic religion with an emphasis on justice and personal morality. Great. That needs to spread throughout the "Dar al Islam" before they'll get out of the Dark Ages and be able to act like civilised people.

#9

Dunno, I don't watch the Commie News Network. But I did hear that Kobe "Remained mute" at his latest court appearance.

Would that CNN did the same, at least regarding Kobe, Laci, et al. That might free up some bandwidth for a story about the struggle (jihad) to topple Western civilization. Or not.

I prefer "religion" of peace.

This cult is inherently more evil (not to mention non-peaceful) than atheistic communism could ever be.

#9 T.A Tiger

Do you know nothing of business. The news agencies are first and foremost profit oriented business. They want to get the most product for the least amount of money.

The defense lawyers as well as the prosecuters are handing the information to the reporters so they don't need to spend any time, effort or money doing any digging.

it stinks but as long as the moronic masses continue to show an interest in consumming the junk about these issues the news agencies will talk about it.

As someone in another thread succinctly put it (via the Dep't of Fatwas and Jihad Control):

Charles: beheading

#1, 4-13: Fatwa. Fatwa upon myself for even suggesting this.

So on and so forth.

There are still numerous 'intelectuals' who attempt to split hair about various meanings of jihad. Is it an internal struggle for self-improvement, is it an effort to glorify Allah, is it an effort for deeper undersatnding of life, etc. Seriously, this is still a topic for lengthy and lofty discussions. But nobody there mentions Arafat's call for Jihad with millions of martyrs.

It's beyond my comprehension how and why people can still be oblivious to the dangers of this lunatic Islam.

OT

Debka reporting Britain won't expedite the Iranian "diplomat" who orchestrated the Buenos Aires Jewish Center bombing to Argentina to face charges.

Perhaps this will buy a little security for the British troops in Iranian influenced southern Iraq.

I've said this before - there are Muslims who believe in a reinterpretation of jihad as an internal struggle but the problem is they do not take their arguments to the original jihadis. IMO, they do not do so because the orginal jihadis have the weight of the textual evidence on their side. Why get into an argument that you know will lose?

Just like I've always understood islam. It's perfect so on your knees brother.

(Page 155): "The logical reason for executing a person who abandons Islam is the following: There is nothing in Islam that comes in contrast to human nature. Whoever joins Islam after recognizing its truth and after tasting its sweetness and then abandons it - is in fact rebelling against truth and logic.

Boy, talk about your RoPMA brain twister! "The logical reason for executing a person who leaves Islam" is a real stunner. The fact that this can be written without sarcasm tells the world that in Isalm there is no hope, only death. And, boy, does Islam like death.

I'm still looking for the Mythical Moderate Muslims (MMM). They must exist, right?

"Abandoning Islam is a crime that warrants a severe punishment… [The phases of punishment are]:

So, this is kind of the bizarro version of "better to have love and lost, than never to have loved at all".

Here, it's better to NOT become a muslim, than to become one and try to convert away from the religion.

I guess that's because they're afraid people will leave the religion once they find out how f*cking crazy it is.

By definition there are two types of jihads: the greatest one is called jihad bil nafs, which is the jihad of the inner self, and the second is called jihad fi sabilillah, which is jihad for the cause of Allah.

In other words, when the jihad of the inner self gets too great, kill others for cause.
1. 'Cause they're Jews
2. 'Cause they're Americans
3. 'Cause they're Hindus
4. 'Cause they're kufir
5. 'Cause they're not (whatever Muslim you ain't)
6. 'Cause they're there

They are itching for a fight, and I know we will prevail, but only if the government and people understand we have an enemy and and identify it. Isn't Jordan one of the "good" Moslem countries?

My List of Countries We Don't Need:

Egypt (except for the Copts)
Lebanon (possibly excepting the Christian part)
Syria
Iran
Afghanistan
Saudi Arabia (#1)
Yeman
Jordan
Gulf States
Malaysia (save for the Chinese)
Indonesia (maybe)
Pakistan
France
Netherlands
Parts of England
Somalia
Sudan (northern 1/2 only)
Nigeria (northern moslem states)

what am I leaving out?

At last, the veils are being pulled aside. This is, despite its vicious appearance, very good news.

It's long past time for us to mount a massive campaign to educate Westerners, particularly Americans, about the inherently violent, totalitarian, anti-spiritual nature of Islam, the war ideology that tries to pass as a religion. An admission such as this about jihad,, in a textbook prescribed for use in a State-controlled school in a Muslim country, is the best possible ammunition we could have.

Let's get to work.

What do they get in the 12th grade? The al Qaeda manual?

BTW, I'd like to introduce the newest entry into the L3 brigade:

[Link: msnbc.com...] - the radical cheerleaders; fighting bombs with pompoms.

Oh, what delicious irony, considering that pompoms used to refer to AA gunfire during WWII.

--- lawhawk (abu al fatwa ya'bootay)

# 25 Seymour Paine:

what am I leaving out?

Well, Algeria and Lybia, to name two.

Tell me again that islam is just like all other religions...following the same God. Aargh!

I was recently over at a girlfriend's house (there were 6 of us) and we were discussing some new age book she picked up...that in itself brought up red flashing lights in my mind. Anyway...the author, Joseph Campbell, started spouting how the entire human race is on the same path, searching for the same thing. Unfortunately, most people buy that line...the truth just doesn't get out.

Thank you, Charles, for posting this. I have sent this article to each of my buddies that were together that night. Should spark some interesting conversation when we get together again on Saturday morning.

Happy Friday, All! Be safe.

*jaw dropping*

Do they learn, uhhh, MATH in these schools? Perhaps they should leave the philosophy to others and stick to the basics for a little while.

Whoah - Keanu style dumbfounded stare...

Paul

#25
Libya and Algeria aren't worth a damn either.

the radical cheerleaders; fighting bombs with pompoms.

#28 Please send a note to amjor media outlets: "pompoms" are antiaircraft guns. "Pompons" are those shaker things the cheerleaders use.

#28 lawhawk

Oh, what delicious irony, considering that pompoms used to refer to AA gunfire during WWII.

It seems to be a requirement of the LLL to know nothing about history.

Didn't pompoms refer to the AA guns themselves?

#25 Seymour Paine --

Add Canada to that list.

Mark Steyn on Canadian Prime Minister Chretien's support for Ahmed Said Khadr, an al-Qaeda founder.

None of this is true. This was contrived by the alien reptiles under the airport in Colorado. Theres nothing to see here. Move along. Stop commenting. Ignore this site. Charles Johnson is a fictional character in a grand plot by hitlers brain to take over the world.

OT - ooohhh. The scary Germans and French are teaming up. Yikes !!!

France is threatening to unite with Germany to maintain their influence in an enlarged European Union and strengthen their common front against the United States, according to reported remarks by the Foreign Minister, Dominique de Villepin.

France is threatining. Tee hee hee :-)

The minister was quoted by Le Monde speaking about "Franco-German union" and calling the deepening of ties "the one historic challenge we cannot lose".

You might have it right by saying the ONLY one we cannot lose, but I wouldn't count your chickens before they hatch.

French diplomats concede they have given up on their relationship with the US so long as President George Bush is in office. Since opposing the war, France has been ignored in Washington.

Ahhh. Boo hoo hoo. Da widdle fwench's feewings wuz hurt. :-(
French-German alliance warms amid US cold war

Like any other regime, Islam has to protect itself

Not a religion, a regime. And therefore, a fair target for eradication.

The techings of this textbook are the heart of the problem. Any culture that prescribes violence in the name of religion is nothing but bad news. Notice, especially, that they suggest violence not in self defense or to prevent violence against themselves but in response to a refusal to convert to Islam. This is bullshit, people.

I don't have any gripe against the Amish, the Mormons, the Hasidic Jews, the Pentacostals, or any number of other believers, not matter how screwed in the head I think they are or how much they want me to read their little booklets. But the moment they (a) threaten me with violence and (b) prove they have the bloodthrist to carry it out, then I will work night and day to keep them in check, destroy them, avoid them, and generally eliminate them as a treat to my daily life.

Got that, Muslims?

#37

Time for us to buy off Germany with some chocolate bars and nylons.

Well, it's worked before...

Hey, this is a rare thing in Islam. They are telling the truth, unlike CAIR and their ilk. Their message is, however, intended for Muslims and CAIR's message is intended for infidels who it is ok (mandatory?) to lie to.

BH:

Regime, religion, slumber party ... I don't give a rat's ass. It threatens violence for no good reason, and thus it should be eliminated.

#42 brett: I understand. But many people have understandable qualms about targeting a religion. Any opportunity to cast Islam as a sociopolitical movement should be exploited.

Newsbreak: Fire at the CDC in Atlanta!

#37

There are lots of reasons why the French have their feelings hurt right now...

Heh. Chirac's buds spending time in US prisons. At least it gives us something to look forward to >:-)

We need to get this extremely important message out to the public. How do we do it?

As soon as you say the word Jihad the LLL media will whitewash it. If you tell your friends, they just assume you're a bigot. How do you get the word out in a society content with its eventual destruction.

#44 VtK:

A fire occurred today at a construction site at Centers for Disease Control and Prevention located off of Clifton Road. The fire is now out and there were no reported injuries. - as per the CDC website.

Lets give their textbooks an edit that takes reality into account:

"Jihad is an Islamic term that equates to the term war in other nations. The difference is that war has [sometimes] noble goals and lofty aims, and is carried out only for the sake of expanding democracy, protecting human rights, and destroying WMDs… [By contrast] wars by Muslim nations are mainly waged because of wickedness, aggression, love of domination, expanding influence, looting properties, murder, and the fulfillment of ambitions and desires, such as the war that the Islamist countries wage to exploit Western countries for imperialistic purposes, to control their non-Muslim citizens and to rob their resources and richness…"

See, not much change needed to fix these things.
It was just upside-down before.

Charles:
You need to edit this entry for duplicate quotes. Thanks for giving us the link; this is smoking-gun info for when one gets in actual discussions about the subject.

Oh, there is lots of name calling about you on indymedia... Did you get a lawyer started on the process of getting indymedia to ban him and id him for your lawsuit?

#24 Steve Hall

Are you sure about that? The islamic sites that I've seen mention holy war as the "greater jihad".

#25 Seymour Paine
> what am I leaving out?

Don't forget that indonesia has a large Hindu population in pockets, e.g. on Bali.

Did you forget Bangladesh, or leave it out on purpose?

Eritrea seems to be quiet now that the border war has a truce; does anyone know what subcult of Islam the natives follow there?

There are also the various "stans" on the south side of Russia, which supply the invaders of Chechnya and Georgia.

#21 Rick Z

A--er, *unique* concept of both logic and philosophy are required to remain a (breathing) believer. Converts to, say, christianity have recently been delivered to their homes in 4 pieces. (The head is Number 3...) This practice is bad for Islogic: it makes the reality of the believer's relationship with a real Saviour more obvious. (Too bad Islogic is programmed against seeing the obvious...)

#31 Stupid Handle (Love the screen name)

They get plenty of *base* education in the culture, thanks.

I just wrote a "Quick-Answer/Generalization/Highlights of the Lowlights" on another thread. If you have a few minutes, you might check out the "Highlights" of the Religion of "Pieces."

If you guys already know all the basics, I'll set down. If you want more evidence, I can pull stuff up on the Web that took years to find in used-book stores. (So I'm willing to cruise the Web. Heh.)

#48 Josh

LOL

#2 Daniel

Hello, Daniel!

#7 veebee

This is Palestine. Careers are encouraged to be short and *dynamic*--yes?

Terrible waste of human life all around.

To the tune of "We Need a Little Christmas"

Call out the faithful
We've got to gird our loins for
The great battle a-
Head to the borders
And take some orders from those
Leaders wanting you dead.

Cuz we need a little Jihad,
Right this very minute,
Semtex on our torsos
Hope we can begin it.
Cuz we need a little Jihad
Jihad just means stuggle.
And if you buy that explanation
You can all leave on vacation.

While you're relaxing
We're busy faxing orders
To our soldiers who-
Pray for to day now
To make you pay for all your
Wicked infidel ways.

Cuz we need a little Jihad
Just to keep us busy.
All the whines and seething
Starts to make us dizzy.
Yes we need a little Jihad
Keeps us warm and fuzzy.
And if you don't know where it's headin'
You don't know jack 'bout Armageddon...

Re: CDC Fire

There's a great news story on this at...um...yeah, none of the big three news sites has any hint of this as of 2:25 PM CST on Friday.

#46, kayawanee

It's not the kind of message the vast majority of our citizens are prepared to hear. Conditioned by decades of the human potential movement and a press geared primarily to touchy-feely or "if it bleeds it leads" stories, this message is too unpleasant. Moreover, the supposedly "thoughtful" programs (NPR, PBS, NYT) look at anything not in the middle--half good, half bad--as too "radical" or "one-sided" to touch. We are chin-deep in mush. We don't face anything truly dark--until it smacks us in the face. And even then, as with 9-11, we refuse to draw the somber consequences. Have a nice day ueber alles.

Man, how do I follow that?

uh hum, those moslems that don't practice "jihad" and "martydom" are backslidden moslems. There is no peace in that religion, because the foundation of it is the father of all lies.

Islam is not a religion; it is a bloodthirsty cult.

There is no god named allah.
Mohammed was a pedophile

Where allah goes, blood flows.

Dick Cravat -

The jihad referred to here is clearly jihad bil nafs -- the spiritual exertion to curb one's lower desires and evil inclinations and to try to increase in the doing of good in order to attain nearness to Allah. I believe this form of jihad against one's own self is perhaps the most difficult of all.

[Link: www.religionofpeace.com...]

#56 observer

It's like that old Jew-hater T.S. Eliot used to say: "Mankind cannot bear too much reality."

Islam can suck my jihad.

If Islam is the RoP, then what is Taoism?

#63 Minus the Jihad

The Religion of Japan.

This is the life that the Democrats, the LLL and their shills in the media want for America. It's called, oddly enough, diversity and multiculturalism.

#10 brianstien

I read that excellent Belmont Club essay, then scrolled up and found this one. Pretty creepy, because I've been watching the story about the Hepatitis breakout at Chi-Chis.

#61, scaramouche

That has never changed. But without leaders and intellectuals able and willing to look unpleasant truths in the face, we stumble slowly into the darkness. We need the clear vision of an Orwell and the bull-doggedness of a Churchill. I don't like sounding like an old curmudgeon, but what the hell, I AM an old curmudgeon.

How interesting that these people find it necessary, while indoctrinating these kids, to pretend that they acknowledge "truth and logic" as an authority (from the section on people who leave Islam). Imagine what happens to the poor kid who actually believes that, and starts challenging the nearest imam to explain why "truth and logic" mandate the murder of rape victims, etc. The honest ones have to be weeded out early if they want to keep their death machine rolling.

The proper translation of "jihaad" is "crusade". Like "crusade" in english, "jihaad" can be used to denote either a personal moral action, or a military war.

The qur!aan uses both meanings in various passages.

This school book is as blatant a piece of hate literature and incitement to mass murder as there has ever been. When are we going to take these foaming rabid zealots at their word and deal with their threats effectively?

Way, way OT. But it sorta fits.

Zen Judaism

Let your mind be as a floating cloud. Let your
stillness be as the wooded glen. And sit up straight.
You'll never meet the Buddha with posture like that.

There is no escaping karma. In a previous life, you
never called, you never wrote, you never visited. And
whose fault was that?

Wherever you go, there you are. Your luggage is
another story.

Be aware of your body. Be aware of your perceptions.
Keep in mind that not every physical sensation is a
symptom of a terminal illness.

Breathe in. Breathe out. Breathe in. Breathe out.
Forget this and attaining Enlightenment will be the
least of your problems.

The Tao has no expectations. The Tao demands nothing
of others. The Tao does not speak. The Tao does not
blame. The Tao does not take sides. The Tao is not
Jewish.

Drink tea and nourish life. With the first sip, joy.
With the second, satisfaction. With the third, Danish.

The Buddha taught that one should practice loving
kindness to all sentient beings. Still, would it kill
you to find a nice sentient being who happens to be
Jewish?

Enter into your inner self and behold the eye of the
soul. Gaze upon your original face before you were
even born. Shocked? Remember, this was before the nose
job.

The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single oy.

Take only what is given. Own nothing but your robes
and an alms bowl. Unless, of course, you have the
closet space.

To practice Zen and the art of Jewish motorcycle
maintenance, do the following: get rid of the
motorcycle. What were you thinking?

If there is no self, whose arthritis is this?

Be patient and achieve all things. Be impatient and
achieve all things faster.

To Find the Buddha, look within. Deep inside you are
ten thousand flowers. Each flower blossoms ten
thousand times. Each blossom has ten thousand petals.
You might want to see a specialist.

Be here now. Be someplace else later. Is that so
complicated?

Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain
nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkes.

imam , is it acceptable to take al-prozac to assist me in my inner struggle?

abu BIG (#71)

That's great! Where did you find it?

#66 bh

I'm a little suprised we haven't had to deal with "terroist poisonings," given that reports like these seem to appear regularly.

According to everything I've seen/heard/read, the Chi Chi's epsiode seems to be the result of tainted onions (which probably came into accidental contact with animal feces).

#71 abu BIG

ROTFLMAO!

Go to http://www.mondotimes.com/poll/poll.html?action=1& amp;func=poll&poll_id=63 to cast your vote on the following question:

True or false: "Muslims have only themselves to blame for Israel’s power and strength."

Right now "no" is winning. Let's reverse that...

#71 c'mon abu big-- you never give us a site--you never give us a link--it vouldn't hurt to visit the parental web page now and them--please--we'll give you a gluz lao tse

#71

LMAO - what a classic!

#76 Jamie

True or false: "Muslims have only themselves to blame for Israel’s power and strength." Right now "no" is winning. Let's reverse that...

Not sure I want to change that. Israel isn't strong and powerful because of ANYTHING the Muslims did or didn't do. Israelis are what they are through democracy, lots of hard work, and ingenuity. Israelis are strong and powerful because of Israelis, not Muslims.

Now, if the question were: Muslims have only themselves to blame for their weakness and inability to compete with Israelis, true or false, then I'd say that's true.

43

There are reasons Schopenhauer relegated Islam to the "social religion" heap.

The modern formulation of the same ideas in that designation are now defined in sum as NATIONALISM.

Therefore, criticism of Islam's fundemental flaws in its discussion of politics is not touchy because there is no underlying faith. IT IS nothing more than a religous justification for a political framework, and should be fair game.

Paul

don't forget--this is a textbook from our moderate ally jordan--not some salafi/wahabbi saudi screed--there's really no hope--the whole area is one cultura of of anti-western ebola which requires the antidote of the mongol khans--annihilation

48

F-ing brilliant. It does make so much more sense now. Almost doctoral level work compared to what is taught in college nowadays.

Paul

Jamie (#76)

True or false: "Muslims have only themselves to blame for Israel’s power and strength."

I don't even understand the question. Israel's power and strength is not as a result of the existence of Muslims.

This poll question is kind of funny though.

Is asking Yasser Arafat to renounce violence like asking Tiger Woods to renounce golf?

Um, yeah.

76

Actually, if it read "relative" strength, I would say yes. Because there is no way Israel could sink so fast and so low to keep up with the power differential.

Paul

#73 zulubaby

My cousin sent it to me. He didn't provide a link, so I don't know where it came from. All I know is I didn't write it.

Pop Quiz, Grade 3, Hanan Ashrawi Elementary School, Gaza City:

1. If a Jew connived to steal 28 hectares of land in the Zionist Entity from your grandfather, and another Jew connived to steal 46 hectares, how many hectares did the Jews steal from your grandfather?

2. Jews are to Satan as:
a) Bush is to Hitler
b) infidels are to devils
c) Jews are to Nazis
d) all of the above

3. Complete the sentence. When I grow up I want to be:
a) a doctor
b) an engineer
c) a teacher
d) a shaheed--the greatest ambition of all because I get to go to paradise and blow up lots of Jews.

4) Complete the sentence that appears in the Koran. Jews are the sons of:
a) apes and pigs
b) grapes and figs
c) sticks and stones
d) gorillas and warthogs

5. Essay question: In one hundred words or less, describe your favorite shaheed, the details of his/her successful mission, and the impact it has had on your life.

abu BIG (#85)

Anyway, thanks. It's fabulous, had a good laugh :-)

jihad is really an inner struggle for personal improvement...

As Allah astutely observed, the only inner struggle is over the best way to kill the Jews and other non Muslims.

It's always good to check with The Man himself, so I just checked with The Imam to see if he has a fatwa about jihad. It turns out that he has 32 of them. For example, if you have to get your parents' permission before going on jihad. In another fatwa, I was comforted to learn that my life is safe so long as I do not oppose Islam:

The statement, 'promoted killing of non-Muslims' is vague and sweeping and is very much open to misinterpretation. Yes, Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) promoted the killing of these non-Muslims who are actively engaged in destroying Islam and the Muslims. This is the command of Allah Ta'ala Himself in the Qur'aan. This type of killing is not simply permissible, but commendable and worthy of reward. This does not mean that Islam teaches to kill all non-Muslims.

If, for example, a Muslim intentionally kills a non-Muslim citizen of the Islamic state, then in retribution the Muslim's life will be taken. This indicates that even the life of a non-Muslim is sanctified, if he does not oppose Islam and the Muslims.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Moulana Imraan Vawda
FATWA DEPT.

#44 Viking the Kitten 11/14/2003 12:07PM PST
Newsbreak: Fire at the CDC in Atlanta!

Ah. Some terrorist-accomplice must be covering up the theft of biotoxins.
/tinfoil (barely)

#53 LightTower 11/14/2003 12:24PM PST
This is Palestine. Careers are encouraged to be short and *dynamic*--yes?

Sorry, poor translation. Original reads 'dynamited'

#65 Stop Hillary 11/14/2003 12:46PM PST
This is the life that the Democrats, the LLL and their shills in the media want for America. It's called, oddly enough, diversity and multiculturalism.

Like so much on the OrweLLLian Left - nothing but doubleplus ungood wordspeak

...and i gotta fat wad for that imam--farouk, bring the rope and the stool!!

if i had a lonely hearts club site, i would certainly buy time at this station.

OK, you made me do a web search on Zen Judaism and I found several sites:

[Link: www.extremely.com...]

This one looks like the one I posted above:

[Link: www.petebevin.com...]

And this last one looks like some people that really do believe in Zen Judaism:

[Link: www.therapy-now.com...]

and God said: 'Kill the infidel'

No body actually knew what he meant,
so they just started killing, and they
killed and killed for centuries.

#92 groucho

What's that supposed to mean?

#86, scaramouche

Better be careful, someone at Brown or Berkeley could see your quiz and it will soon be part of their curriculum.
(The banished a sense of humor as an offensive tool for oppression. It is, after all, a favorite weapon of Jews--how many Amish or Quaker comedians can you name?)

By the way--why 72 virgins? I mean, why not 54 or 66? And where DO they get them? Maybe I don't want to know.

#71 Abu BIG:

"Remember...you are a child of the universe..."

That is VERY funny! :)

I have actually read the entire Koran, but it was a while back, and I did it in bits and pieces over the course of several months.

I thought it was an incredibly boring book. It makes the Bible look like a Michael Crichton novel by comparison. Of course my culture and upbringing undoubtedly cause me to have at least some bias on the matter.

But being as I wandered over here the other day, and being as I didn’t really recall reading anything in the Koran more out-of-line than what is in the Bible I was wondering if anyone here could direct me to some specific passages in the Koran that may help me better understand the present situation?

A lot of the posters here seem very knowledgeable on the subject, so this seems to be the place to make such an inquiry.

And just to reiterate (before anyone goes jumping to conclusions), I have nothing against Arabs or the Middle East, but I do support the War in Iraq and Afghanistan (the “War on Terror”).

#95 Paladin

Since I don't think "Groucho" will reply, let me try to interpret: All you pathetic LGF posters have nothing better to do than post your pathetic postings on this pathetic website. Why don't you losers get a life.

Or something like that.

To which I would respond: Say the secret "woid' and I'll flip you the "boid".

#95 Paladin

I am assuming it means that he is the cool ass mack daddy with all the ladies going to all the parties and that he never spends time on the internet like us losers. Yet somehow he managed to be here, hmmm. Guess there just wasn't enough action for the party animal.

Or what scaramouche said ;-)

# 98 the serpent:

At the top of the main page, do a search of LGF for Koran or Quran or Q'uran. You'll be entertained for hours.

98 The Serpent

[Link: islaam.com...]

start here

So can we verify beyond doubt the accuracy of the quoted text? (No doubt in my mind it's accurate but you know how they are at LLL central) and start e-mailing it to every reporter on your local paper who writes a favorable story about moderate Islam. Also the office of any politician who hasn't gotten the picture yet. This story has to break into the mainstream.

"But being as I wandered over here the other day, and being as I didn’t really recall reading anything in the Koran more out-of-line than what is in the Bible I was wondering if anyone here could direct me to some specific passages in the Koran that may help me better understand the present situation?"

Mostly Chapter 9 of the Koran (The Immunity) is used by Muslims to justify many of their more questionable practices, much like Leviticus is used for the same purpose by the Christians.

The general tone of the chapter is set by the first sentence:

"This is a declaration of immunity by Allah and His Apostle towards those of the unbelievers with whom you made an agreement."

It goes on for a long time about how the unbelievers are the scum of the earth and deserve all the lies and abuse devout Muslims can heap upon them.

Being the rather paranoid person I am, I find it rather suspicious that you claim to have read the Koran, yet never seem to have reached Chapter 9. It's a boring book, but even I could make it that far.

Rick Z & ploome,

That you much.

that = thank (doh!)

I never read the whole koran

#96 observer

I have no idea what gives with the 72 virgins. Why not 71 or 69 or 17? I'm sure the number has immense Koranic significance, but probably like you, the idea of 72 incorporeal, see-through maidens is about as appealing as a kick in the head. ("Like the fella once said, ain't that a kick in the head?" Sorry, channeling Dean Martin here. It's been a long week.)

Anyway, I thought it was a mistranslation and it was actually 72 white raisins, or white rabbits, or something altogether unvirginal.

Maybe you could post a question at "Ask the Iman".

the serpent and ploome:

After reading the lowlights of the Koran here, I wouldn't want to read the whole thing. I'd rather read a bodice ripper, and I hate bodice rippers.

the serpent, just checked the link I provided...and it was not the I wanted to post...

but you can enter any word to get muslim teaching on the subject

Abrahamic Faiths (3/7): Ahl ul Kitab Are Disbelievers and Abraham Was a Muslim
Ali Al-Timimi
The problem is as I said, is that an argument has appeared or an idea which is I believe very much popular in the United States, saying that the Jews and Christians are belivers and we are all from the Abrahamic faith. And this is a very...
islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=455 - Iman - 5 Aug 2000

Iman Must Be Taken as a Whole
Shaykh `Abdul Rahman `Abdul Khaliq
Iman must be taken as a whole. It is a total truth that cannot be separated from its parts. Dividing Iman into different categories is only to help study it. To shun and reject any of these parts, however, means that Kufr in all other parts...
islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=184 - Iman - 15 Jan 1998

Abrahamic Faiths (7/7): Clarifying Misconceptions
Ali Al-Timimi
Now we come to the verse that all these people who speak about the Abrahamic faiths try to use always. Where Allah subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa says in the Qur’aan that, "the believers and the Jews and the Christians and the Sabians,...
islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=459 - Iman - 15 May 2000

Christian & Jewish Beliefs Regarding The Return Of The Messiah and Plots Against Masjid Al-Aqsa
Alia Amer
Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all believe in the coming of the leader of the great and final battle whom they all call the Messiah. The Jews are looking forward to his coming because they claim he will bring...
islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=504 - Challenges - 5 Nov 2000

Obligation of a Muslim Towards a Disbeliever
Shaykh `Abdul `Aziz ibn Baz
Question: What is obligatory upon a Muslim with respect to non-Muslims concerning different types of interactions and also with respect to holidays and ...
islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=202 - Miscellaneous - before July 1999

Hardening of the Heart 4/5
Dr. Abu Ameenah Bilal Philips
The third way by which we can soften our hearts is the Quran itself. Allah states in the Quran, Al-Hadid, 57:16, "Has not the time come for those who believe for their hearts to fear Allah when they hear the Quran (dhikrullah here is in...
islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=447 - Tazkiyah - 11 Apr 2000

Nations Summoning One Another to Attack Muslims
Siddheeque M. A. Veliankode
The people will soon summon others to attack Muslims, like eating people who invite others to share their food. This is a prediction of the Prophet sallallahu `alaihi wa sallam about Muslims. They will be weak towards the end of the world,...
islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=415 - Iman - 27 Nov 1999

Confirmation That Judaism And Christianity Are Forms Of Disbelief
Shaykh Muhammad ibn Salih al-`Uthaymeen
Question: One of the preachers in one of the mosques in Europe claimed that it is not allowed to consider Jews and Christians disbelievers. You know - may...
islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=80 - Iman - before July 1999

Abrahamic Faiths (4/7): Belief in the Prophet Muhammad is Required
Ali Al-Timimi
Indeed, the Prophet sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam told us in a hadeth in Saheeh Muslim, as reported by Abu Huraira, there is not a single Jew or Christian from this Ummah, meaning from those ppl the Prophet sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam was...
islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=456 - Iman - 5 Oct 2000

Ruling on Imitation of Disbelievers
We recall the authentic report from the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam, "Whoever imitates a people he is one of them." And also, "You will follow the tradition of those people who came before you exactly..." [this portion is in the...
islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=88 - Fiqh - before July 1999

MEMRI translated this advertisement on Al-Jazeera for a new Muslim board game (yes a satire):

A scene of several people in Keffiyahs and Burkas huddled around a something on the floor

Announcer: Players pick a category and correctly spin and obfuscate the subject on the card to advance Islam accross the dar-ul-Harb pictured on the board. The player who converts or destroys the most infidels wins.

Close up of Abu and his Ibn, Hussein. Hussein rolls the dice and picks a card

Hussein: I got "Holocaust".

Abu: Go ahead explain the so-called Holocaust for the chance to convert Europe to Islam.

Hussein: Well of course Abu, the holocaust never happened. The Jews invented it to make every one feel sorry for them so they could steal Arab land and kill us to use our blood in their apartheid holiday pastries.

Abu: That's right Hussein, im'shallah, but don't forget that the Jews are apartheid Nazi terrorists and the Holocaust was wonderful because Hitler killed the Jews, but he should have killed them all because Zionism equals racism!.

Abu: Wow Abu Spoken like the prophet himself (peace be upon him).

Abu:Careful Hussein, blasphemy will get you in trouble up to your neck, or with out it. Now its my turn.

Hussein: Watch out for the collaborator card and don't play idiodic!

Abu picks a card

Abu: I got a bonus card "Islam is the Religion of Peace." I think I can answer this one for enough points to convert the great satan, America.

Hussein:Go Abu! Allah Akbar!

Abu: Islam is the religion of peace and anyone one who disagrees must be killed.

Hussein: Oh Abu, no fair you always win. I am humiliated.

Abu: Do not feel shame Ibn, it is the Jews fault that we must play this game. They stole our land so all we have left is this Jew board game.

voiceover as camera pans out showing the rest of the family and the faint sound of two burka clad women in the background ululating:

Announcer: Religion of Peace Logic: the game its humiliating to be without.

#110 Rick Z

whatever the koran says, is understood by the imams and shayks and 'scholars' (I use the term loosely)

and explained through their writings, and behavior.

I read what muslims write and teach regarding islamic values and behavior.

muslims are forever telling non muslims we cant read the arabic, and dont understand the context.

so I read from people who muslims consider 'scholars' (and I use the term loosely), believing they have it in context.

112 J. Lichty

LMAO

After a looong week, that was a welcome laugh

#59 Steve Hall

Sheesh! You linked to a site for "The Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement".

Please read up on the various subcults of Islam, including this one. A Sunni or Shi'a would rather kill an Ahmadiyya cleric than listen to the opinion of an apostate.

OT:
Talking about inter-cult rivalry, here's an article about a cleric being killed for trying to be moderate. (Unfortunately, it's in Pravda, so who knows about the reliability?)
[Link: english.pravda.ru...]

#99 Scaramouche
#100 Right Wing Conspirator

Just as I thought. However, I resent the nick. I interviewed Grocho Marx while in college (me, not him) and he was one of the most intelligent, thoughtful people I've ever met. And proud of his Jewish heritage.

I'm aware of the awkwardness of posting Friday after work let's out, but maybe this will start some discussion.

I think we're missing some context here- the new textbooks represent a revision of a revision by the PA. Where after Oslo the books were extolling the virtues of democracy, after the al-aqsa intifadah the books were changed to this schlock. The PA doesn't constitute some central authority on defining jihad, but they certainly have an interest in more suicide bombers.

Serpent--here's some sites to find out the truth about the Quran and Muhammed:

[Link: www.faithfreedom.org...]

[Link: f27.parsimony.net...]

[Link: www.islamreview.com...]

[Link: www.hraic.org...]

[Link: www.secularislam.net...]

[Link: www.ramshornjournal.com...]

[Link: rationalthinking.humanists.net...]

Tons of other links:
[Link: rationalthinking.humanists.net...]

Stuff on Jihad(happening now all over the world):

[Link: uk.geocities.com...]

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

[Link: www.domini.org...]

[Link: www.kashmir-information.com...]

[Link: haganah.us...]

[Link: www.newsnow.co.uk...]

[Link: www.freedomhouse.org...]

[Link: www.bharatvani.org...]

JIHÃD
THE ISLAMIC DOCTRINE
OF PERMANENT WAR

ROPMA Dept: 4 Israeli Arabs recruited to Hamas while on haj to Mecca.

Just Say No to Jihad.

A TEMPLATE for excusing, parsing, re..defining of the word or concept of "Jihad," was patterned after the reaction to Louis Farrakhan and what he was saying in the late 80s and 90's about Jews. There WAS no excuse(despite the numerous excuses expressed) for what came out of this antisemitic bastard's mouth--what you understood he was saying about Jews-- IS what he was in fact saying..ie Jews are THE evil of the world...(thats above and beyond general WHITES or Europeans who are also the evil of the world..

So now that America learned the little TRICKS of watering down and excusing a groups Hate Speech..i it can apply really nicely to OTHER'S Hate Speech. Once you start with that Parsing Crap..there is NO END TO IT. Take note..any time you hear..{"they took it out of CONTEXT"} BEWARE...thats a TACTIC these people use to say what they want in the most bigoted of ways..and not take responsibility for what they are saying..

Playing around with the DEFINITION and CONTEXT of the word "Jihad" is nothing but a cheep tactic.

#96 observer

I can't find the post, but a few days ago here somebody said that they also get 28 "smooth" boys. 72+28=100 which is a nice even number.

Seems a little much - even in my teenage years, I never wished for 72.

The section about killing apostates is exactly why internet groups of ex-muslims such as [Link: www.faithfreedom.org...] , [Link: www.apostatesofislam.com...] and Ibn Warraq's [Link: www.secularislam.org...] are so valuable.

Scaramouce, Observer -

Like the number 19, the number 72 also has astrological significance.

It is linked to Precession of the Equinoxes - it is the number of years that the point of the Vernal Equinox remains in one degree (out of 360) of the Ecliptic, ie, in one degree of one sign of the Zodiac.

And it also coincides with the lifespan of a man.

Abu Big -

Hilarious!!!

#113, an excellent real scholarly work on the Koran and the whole of Islam is Fazlur Rahman's Islam. It's certainly not light reading--after all, Rahman is a true scholar (and works here at the University of Chicago)--but it is written from an essentially unbiased viewpoint and covers everything from the composition of the Koran to modern developments in Islam. Rahman, as his name implies, comes from a Muslim background, and thus he certainly reads Arabic--proving that there are indeed scholars who are trying to objectively study Islam and its development and culture. Highly, highly recommended.

Also extremely useful is Ira Lapidus' History of Islamic Societies, which covers the spread of Islam in very deep detail (it's 1000 pages long--I had to read it all for a class).

Read these works, or at least browse them, and I'm saying this to all of you. If you're truly interested in learning about Islam, you won't regret it. Please don't read crap like this, a book that has been highly lauded, obviously by people who have only a superficial understanding of Islam. It is an extremely selective book, and the author obviously wants Westerners to think that nothing is wrong with the Koran.

Here's a typical conversation with a representative of the ROP(ma):

A learned man, Dr. Abu Al-Kriminy:

"We must kill all infidels wherever we find them. Jews are pigs and sons of monkeys, and infidels to the sweet truth of Islam."

Interviewer: "So you say all infidels must be killed, including all Jews?"

Dr.: "No, that is not what I say."

Interviewer: "But that's what you just said."

Dr.: " No, you misunderstand me."

Interviewer: "But you said, and I quote: "We must kill all infidels...Jews are infidels..."

Dr.: "No no. You are taking it out of context."

Interviewer: " Then what DID you mean by what you said?"

Dr.: " Why do you attack me so? Why you are not attacking Jews who want all Muslims dead?"

BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH

Swear to God I've heard this exact exchange 2 dozen times over the last year...

Exasperating. Religion of doublespeak and blatant obfuscation. (RODBO)

54 Auntie Mame

Hysterical! Did you write it?

71 abu BIG

What a hoot... I needed the laughs tonight.

Personal responsibility is the key complement to freedom. Personal and moral responsibility are the bases of Judeo-Christian philosophy which uphold secular freedom and liberty. Otherwise there would be anarchy. As such, Islam's answer for order is a philosophy based on submission. As a result, these people are conditioned not to think for themselves, but to sacrifice their individuality and behave for the collective. So, then, to think for one's self in Islam is to be be anti-submisssive, heretic, sacreligious, and anything not Isalmic is to blame. So, as in mob rule, and just as criminally and abusively, they blackmail their prey (apostates and kufr alike) with jihad, its threats, and actual physical harm and death. And so it goes-handed down form generation to generation.

The Palestinians have been claiming their textbooks were purged of this kind of stuff. It speaks volumes about true Arab goals. One wonders how Ora Wise, who teaches Hebrew school at Kol Chayeinu synagogue in Park Slope, Brooklyn, NY can be a spokesperson for
the Palestinians and call for the dismantling of Israel as
a Jewish state. What people do and think starts in their schools, and these textbooks show what the Arabs really have in store for Jews in the Middle East. For more on Ora Wise click here:[Link: www.jewishinternetassociation.org...]

90 Rayra's REALLY had enough of the RoP 11/14/2003 01:52PM PST

and *dynamic*--yes?

Sorry, poor translation. Original reads 'dynamited'

No problammo! I enjoyed the *pun*-ishment.

yo serpant--why read the kkkoran--you think the conquering of the iberian peninsula was some muslims looking to ask some infidel woman out on dates--does 8oo years of death and oppression mean nada--read a history book with the muslim jerk off fantasy -and if your jewish watch out fot the trees that will tell the religion of peaceniks that you are hiding behind them so they can kill your ignorant ass

For definitive muslim statements on terror-war (jihad), go to the source. The unholy "traditions" ("hadith") of Bukhari (a 9th c muslim recorder of quotations of Mohammed, from his "companions" or "sahabi"), are taken as authentic, and used as a source for discerning "emulation examples" ("sunna") of the ersatz "prophet." Bukhari's Book of Jihad, is not that long, and is easy to read:

[Link: www.usc.edu...]

Bukhari is also the source for extermination fatwah:

"If one (muslim) abandons the Islamic religion ("din"), then kill them." Volume 9 Book 94 #57

Until recently, the website of the Muslim Students Association at U of Houston, posted a defense of extermination. The more muslims that pollute a city in the West, the more likely is it that a muslim will nullify a verdict on legal fact, in deference to islamic injustice (shariah). In Pennsylvania, Muslim jurors routinely tank objective findings, and apply shariah.

#133 Camel Prophet

In Pennsylvania, Muslim jurors routinely tank objective findings, and apply shariah.

Do you have any sources on that? (I'm not doubting you, just curious to see for myself.)