Duh.

Michael Moore would be proud.

Will Arafat still breathe in a year?

He expects to be alive in 2005? The perpetual despot and eternal optimist.

Well, this is one former-Democrat who's voting straight Republican in 2004.

Here is another former Dem who made the switch. So did my folks, my brother, my partner, and on and etc. From the way the elections for lower offices are going on this year, it is going to be along wait for the Fish. With any lock, someone will forget to change the water in the fishbowl and he will just fade away.

Well Arafat is straight on the mark. If the Dems win, that is precisely what they would do. They'd lard him up with even more money, insist that Israel disarm in good faith and then wait for world peace to break out. When war breaks out instead and this nation is devastated by more terror attacks, they will blame it on the Republicans and the American people for being so ignorant.

Arafat knows his audience well.

Terrorists are donkeys

The love is mutual.

Paul

I heard Hitler liked to breathe. Let's stop breathing

Don't hold your breath, Arafat.

On second thought, please do.

OT

French people are really, REALLY stupid some times. The only thing worse than illiterate political raps are FRENCH illiterate political raps.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

French rappers in war of words with government

Amelia Gentleman in Paris
Tuesday November 11, 2003
The Guardian

Sniper: accused of being racist and anti-semitic

A rap song which calls on fans to "screw France" and "exterminate" government ministers has so enraged the interior minister that he has threatened to take legal action against the band responsible.
But the group, Sniper, has responded in kind, threatening to sue Nicolas Sarkozy for defamation for calling them racist and anti-semitic.

Critics have denounced their music as anti-women, anti-French, anti-European, anti-semitic and anti-police. The lyrics of La France, a tirade against the inequalities of French society, triggered Mr Sarkozy's anger. The song describes France as a "bitch", and suggests that the only way for disaffected young people with "hatred running in their arteries" to get their voices heard is to go out and start "burning cars".

Another song on the band's latest album Stone Throwers attacks the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians and suggests that "carnage" is a logical response to destruction of homes.

Mr Sarkozy said last week that he would launch legal proceedings if the band again performed in public material which he described as "perfectly scandalous... racist and anti-semitic". He added: "Democracy dictates that one respects the rules. Those people who don't will have to answer to the nation's justice system."

This year Mr Sarkozy pushed through a bill which made "offending the dignity of the republic" an imprisonable offence.

The band's four members, El Tunisiano, Aketo, Black Renega and DJ Boudj, all from the northern Parisian suburb of Val d'Oise, said: "We are not anti-semitic, but we are on the side of all Israelis who want peace... You are wrong to think that we are racist.

"We are French like you, but we are beginning to wonder whether you accept us as such."

Raising the possibility that the minister had not listened to their songs, they added: "We would like to believe that you were ill informed and carried away by temporary demagogic hysteria, and we are ready to accept your excuses."

This triggered a fresh salvo from Mr Sarkozy, who said: "To say that 'France is a bitch' and a 'nation of fascists' which one 'should screw' is insulting, to say that one should exterminate the 'ministers' and that police officers are 'arseholes' is insulting."

#8 Paladin

...and Arafat is an ass.

I have this feeling that the 2004 Presidential election will be the most important in American history. There is just so much at stake. That's why I think we will see "dirty" politics like we have never seen before. We won't even be able to imagine it. That Democratic intelligence committee memo was just the beginning. I don't think this is going to be any kind of cakewalk for Bush. It's going to be down to the wire and ugly. There is just too much hatred, and too many people within this country and without who want to see him go down.

#13 scaramouche

That's an insult to hard working asses everywhere.

So here we have old dreamer Yass
With images of a jack ass
But Allah is pissed
Base ass-dreams he dissed
So Paradise gave him a pass!

I misread the title. I thought it meant that terrorists had switched their affection from camels.

Hopefully the Fish will be well on his way to Hell by the time the 2004 elections roll along.

Well of course Arafat loves jackasses. It takes one to know one.

Brandi,

I'm there. This election will be as defining for the future of America as the election of 1864 that kept Lincoln in the White House and saved the Union.

This election will prove whether a small minority of zealots, financed largely by a narrow band of plutocrats and with the unashamed and relentless bias of every major media outlet from print, to film, to TV, to radio, will be able to so distort issues and lie as to dictate the outcome of a Presidential election.

I don't for a moment underestimate the power of these combinations. I still think Hillary will run and the media assault waged by the media against Bush and in her favor will be beyond anything we have ever witnessed. It's already begun. The media already won't let the GOP message out and distorts it when they do. The barrage of Democrat/socialist lies hasn't even opened up yet.

Here's another former Dem. voter. The fact that Arafat has hope for a Democrat president ought to make a lot of people very, very ashamed.

It's a donkey trifecta

Oops "Donkey LOVE trifecta"

#22 RightIsRight:

Dammit! How'm I sposed to explain this to my boss?

I wonder what they would do if Lieberman (the son of apes and pigs) were the nominee. What would they do then?

17
lynn.. west bank and gaza,, where men are men and donkeys are nervous..
its this donkey loving stuff that has the israeli spca very very upset... when yasser and company are done having their wicked way under the olive trees in the wadi, they dont call, they dont write,,sob
poor donkeys

Went and read that Nasrallah link.

His position and his stategy is no different than that of the current crop of Dem candidates for President.

Stop Hillary (#20)

You have perfectly articulated what I'm feeling. I wish we could just fast forward to December 2004. I don't really want to go through it.

Now I know the real reason Hiliary visited the Middle East!

Okay, from what I have read so far is that three dems have made the switch. But just wait and see, for some reason the majority of the Jewish vote will go to the democrats. G*d help us all if a dem is elected, now that would truly frighten me.

"Yasser Arafat is playing for time - for 2005, to be exact, when he hopes a Democratic president will bring him back to center stage in the Mideast."

Will he still feel that way if Joe Lieberman wins the Democrat nomination?

That's not very likely, at the rate the Dems are imploding, but still the idea of Arafat going hat-in-hand to a Jewish POTUS is good for a laugh. (Assuming Lieberman would even give that SOB the time of day, that is--Joe seems to be the last sane high-profile Donk, so I doubt it.)

#24 BH

Dammit! How'm I sposed to explain this to my boss?

Thats easy. Cultural diversity.

Arafat the Democrat

If Hitler and Stalin were alive today and American citizens, they would join forces to defeat Bush.

I read that the fish is dying within 90 days due to the stomach cancer.
Also,I agree that the 2004 election is going to bring a firestorm of Dem dirty tricks and subterfuge.Treason will be in force on many fronts.

#25 J. Lichty
They would rejoice as he betrays his own people I'm sure.

Ok Mossad, here's where you earn your salt.

#33 PDM

Hey, what happened to Arashat. He is looking a lot better these days.

PDM, that was great. The phrase "Arafat is an ass" has taken on a whole new meaning.

#14, Brandi -- you are absolutely correct. The Democrat's are still seething over 2000, and are starting to lay the groundwork for claiming the 2004 election was fraudulent.

I expect violence in 2004 if Bush wins, particularly if any states are close.

Can the IDF PLEASE take care of this ass/fish asap?

There is going to be more and more talk about terrorists saying and doing things to try and get a democrat elected. Someone said that the Iraqi resistance will be working hard next spring to influence the election, yada yada yada......Dead Americans being used by Arafat, the Liberal Media and Kerry, Dean etc....to bring about their common goal.....Gain Power and F Over Freedom Loving People Everywhere. If you've got Freedom I've got pictures everynite on CBS on a bunch of maggots who would like to come to your house and take it away from you.

Well well well, isn't that just fascinating -- especially since the Muslim/Arab population backed Bush SO overwhelmingly in 2000! Gee, I wonder if that had anything to do with the fact that a Jew was running on the Dem ticket?

[Link: www.amaweb.org...]
F/cking bigots!

Democrats: The Party of Jihad and Jackasses

"Democrats: The Party of Jihad and Jackasses"

Melissa, get over it. Historically the Democrats have been more friendly to Israel than the Republicans. Idiotic name-calling like that will not win them back to our side. Think to win--not to get your rocks off.

Arafat is a survivor. I wouldn't put it past the SoB to live another 3-4 years with stomach cancer.
He's a tough piece of dog-doo, that's why he's been around so long already.
It makes we wish the evil zionist hordes had a real secret death ray device.

If a dem does get elected
a) we are pretty much f*d, and will basically surrender to the islamists
b) The dem would pressure Israel to a new level of ridiculous, Israel would definitely stop listening to the US, and be forced to fight this war all out, and without US help.

Neither is very pretty.

#45

Idiotic name-calling like that will not win them back to our side

Win who back to your side?

#47 andrew
Umm, dude? That's the Roger L. Simon. You might want to hear what he has to say...

Then mr ararat will have to wait until 2008,
but after the election of Condi he will have to wait for 2016...
but by then the dems will be extinct.

He should become a citizen and change the Constitution and have himself elected...,nooo, too complex,

Osama Bin Dean is a better plan.

#48 reaganite
I am trying to hear what he has to say - and I know who he is :-)

#14 Brandi in AZ: I certainly agree on the importance of the election. We're seeing the far left fighting tooth and nail to keep themselves in power and disguised as "mainstream." Should more centrist voters wake up and defeat them this time, it will go a long way toward beating this heinous beast into submission for a generation, both here and abroad. This may or may not require an '08 victory as well, but that would certainly do the trick.

There is a particularly good indicator though, in that the Dems lost overall in the '02 elections. Normally the president's opposition party picks up seats in the "off year" as a balance of power thing. The South is rumbling again, and I'm hearing some encouraging whispers from prominent "black leaders." And remember, the Pres is holding his own in the polls in the face of these onslaughts, and he's still waiting 'til he "sees the whites of their eyes" to fire back.

Still, I wouldn't take anything for granted in the crazy world of politics, and there's too much at stake to not keep an eye on things. And speaking of too much at stake, how much would it be worth to you to put a Dem in the oval office if you were a member of the Saudi royal family, or Syrian, Iranian or Jordyptian leadership? I would not be suprised at all to learn of any of these players funneling money to back liberal candidates.

Andrew, what I took his post to mean is simple. The left, no not the L³, are starting to see the hypocrisy of their party. By insulting/deriding them, they may not want to listen to what the Right is saying.

Stop Hillary #20 - nice analogy 2004 election vs. 1864 Lincoln / McClellan:
"The Democrats emphasized the "ignorance, incompetence, and corruption of Mr. Lincoln's administration." They counted on war-weariness to win them votes."
[Link: www.suite101.com...]

More:
[Link: www.presidentelect.org...]

Yassir Arafat is probably dead soon. I won't miss him.

[Link: www.faithfreedom.org...] Islam is the Matrix. We hand out red pills.

#45 Roger L. Simon

Well, Roger, that is, as they say, a history. The dems are on a leftward drift to a degree that may not be reversible.
The times when 'democrat' equated with 'liberal' in the old sense are a distant memory. Winning them over would be akin to deprogramming a former cult member.

I feel that Bush may resort to fraudulent means to retain the White House next year. He has proven time and time again that nothing is beneath him.

With things continuing to deteriorate for him, as his invasion of Iraq is being correctly viewed as a horrible mistake, his massive campaign chest may not be enough to buy next year's election. Look out for voter fraud in republican jurisdictions!

#52 reaganite
I'd like to hear some reasonable discourse from dems besides Zell Miller.

From the article:
"But Israel has a counterstrategy, senior officials told The Post: strengthening Qureia's new government.

Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz told Secretary of State Colin Powell when Mofaz visited Washington this week that Israel would accelerate humanitarian assistance to Palestinians."

That makes about as much sense as it would for US in February of this year to lift all sanctions and restrictions on Iraq in an effort to strengthen Tariq Aziz and sideline Saddam.

#33 PDM,

[Dark, malevolent laughter]

But you should have made the donkey a gelding!

[/whine]

#54 wonderful link...thanks for the dream.

But we will need much more than red pills for the next twenty years.

#56 American
You forgot the Halburton contracts and the OOOOIIIILLLL!!

#57 andrew

I'd like to hear some reasonable discourse from dems besides Zell Miller.

Agreed, but you are talking about the "leaders", Roger is talking about the followers. Big difference!

#52 reaganite

Yea, right, we shouldn't hurt their feewings. They may pout and stomp.

You are insulting intelligence of the people that are able to see what disaster the dem party became and make their own decision based on logic and reasoning.

Historically the Democrats have been more friendly to Israel than the Republicans.

I gotta bunch of graves filled with Jews shot by weapons Democrats gave to the PLO that you've just got to see. Then we can watch "peace-loving" Democrats march in the streets by the thousands with "Sharon = Hitler" and Star of David = Swastika signs.

"She was in the ER more times than I can count, and up to the ICU twice. But we're hoping that if she changes her ways, her husband will come around and stop kicking the shit out of her. After all, their history shows he was really nice to her during the first year of their marriage."

Then again, there are people who are seen as "friendly" because they say what you want to hear and tend to gratifying your immediate whims. Then there are "friendly" people who tell you things you don't want to hear, and are willing to thwart your immediate desires to keep you from hurting yourself in the long run. So maybe I'm confusing myself here.

#56 (spit) - "correctly viewed"

Has anyone noticed that people who use the term "correct" are often leftists? For instance, Lil Kim always refers to the "correct" juche ideology.

#52
Andrew, what I took his post to mean is simple. The left, no not the L³, are starting to see the hypocrisy of their party. By insulting/deriding them, they may not want to listen to what the Right is saying.

Good point Reaganite. I don't agree with everything the left wing of the Democratic party says, but the absolutism of the right has pretty much guaranteed that I'll vote for any Dem over Republicans at this point.

Case in point, before I began reading this blog, I considered myself a relatively strong Israel supporter. Reading the comments of the blowhards here, I've decided that I don't care what happens in Israel/Palestine. If the Israelis kill Arafat, that's great, he's scum. If the Palestinians rise up against the Israelis and with the help of other Arab nations push Israel into the sea, well, it sucks because the Arabs are happy now, but the Israelis had it coming.

#63 ördög:esse quam videri

Yea, right, we shouldn't hurt their feewings. They may pout and stomp.

Consider the reverse. Imagine you as a member of the Right is continually insulted by the Left. Even though the Left may be right, are you going to listen? I'm all for bashing the L³, they are worthy of our contempt, but the Lefties that are nearer the center, aren't they worth the effort to try and convince them?

Every day I read about former Left right here on LGF. Do you really want to alienate the ones who may very well be already on the way over to "our" side?

The Islamists have always understood our political system intimately, just look at Sayyid Qutb's writings. They will try all they can to influence our political landscape and as soon as a Dem gets in office, look for the first Al-Qaeda WMD attack. They may be wondering if Bush would react in kind, maybe a Nuke in Tehran or the like, but they have little doubt that even 50000 dead will cause a dem to do little more than posture. Dean doesn't have the balls to do what Bush is, and even Bush really isnt doing enough.

Lord, make all the trolls be together in the place where the next attack will hit.

What ? You don't want to hear them either ?

#66 american

before I began reading this blog, I considered myself a relatively strong Israel supporter. Reading the comments of the blowhards here,

Thanks but I don't need any swamp land in Florida.

Reading the comments of the blowhards here, I've decided that I don't care what happens in Israel/Palestine.

We're not blowhards, because a) we're right, and b) we have the muscle to back up our rapier wit.

Damn, you caught us.

This is solid evidence of a vast international conspiracy between Democrats and terrorists.

Not a logical fallacy at all.

#66 American

Welcome to the blog. I couldn't help but notice your post saying:

"I've decided that I don't care what happens in Israel/Palestine. If the Israelis kill Arafat, that's great, he's scum. If the Palestinians rise up against the Israelis and with the help of other Arab nations push Israel into the sea, well, it sucks because the Arabs are happy now, but the Israelis had it coming."

Since you're a newcomer to the forum, I think I can speak for the regulars and say that we all wish you to F*O*A*D.

Have a great evening and thanks for coming!

OT:
Iran admits Pakistan gave key nuclear help
[Link: sify.com...]

#66 AmericanV/strike>Asshole

Kiss my ass you ISM f*ck.

Oops, forgot the /
"American" F*ck you, and the horse you rode in on.

#72 Who said anything about a conspiracy? Arafat knows which party will help his cause.

#65 Right you are. Have you ever noticed the use the word "clearly" whenever there is no evidence to back up their claim?

"Bush CLEARLY attacked Iraq to to enrichen his cronies."

or "CLEARLY, Bush has an IQ barely above the clinical definition of idiot."

Whenever I hear the other side use that word I automatically discount it as an untenable lie.

OT

Imam's Video Studied for Osama Footage

Investigators in Turin Study Video on Imam's Computer to See if It Has New Bin Laden Footage

ROME Nov. 14 — Anti-terrorism police in Turin Friday were studying a video on a Senegalese imam's computer to determine if it might show fresh film of Osama bin Laden.

Turin daily La Stampa said that two computers, cassettes, CD-ROMs and boxes full of documents were seized from the Muslim preacher's home in a Turin suburb Thursday morning.

The anti-terrorist squad declined to talk about the case by phone, but La Stampa quoted investigators as saying they were being cautious about the video because dozens of similar videos have been circulating on the Internet.

The imam, Abdel Qadir Fadh Allah Mamour, whom Italian news reports described as a consultant to an Islamic financial company in Zurich, Switzerland, was questioned for several hours at Turin police headquarters Thursday and later returned home, La Stampa said.

Interviewed recently on a late-night talk show on state TV, the preacher said Italian soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq would be attacked because they were aiding the U.S.-led military presence in both countries. He also said that attacks would then follow against Italian diplomats and next in Italy.

The suicide bombing Wednesday which killed 18 Italians at their military compound in southern Iraq, shocking the nation, brought fresh attention to his predictions.

In an interview with La Stampa, the imam's wife, a Milanese woman converted to Islam to marry him, said her husband in those comments was merely analyzing the situation in Iraq and wasn't making any predictions.

An Italian RAI state TV crew which was interviewing Mamour just before the police arrived said his computer also had a video featuring testimony by four suicide attackers in a Riyadh bombing.

american=alan
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Please, do not discuss with someone who openly wishes for the Second Holocaust.
These are the nazis of today, teach them by banning them.

Good point American. Genocide is ok because a group of Republicans deride terrorists.

#71

When I think rapier wit, I think Ben Franklin, or Oscar Wilde.

In my humble opinion, the endless parade of pictures of "Arafish", Rachel Corrie used to signify the entire peace movement, and referring to any dissent as "seething and whining" doesn't compare.

#77

Maybe you're not suggesting the Democrats would actively help Arafat if they were in power, but I've heard it here before.

And that, to me, is the unspoken point of this post, and the one Charles links to where he says "It speaks volumes that the leader of one of the most vile terrorist organizations in the world is longing for the return of the Democrats."

#83 scarshapedstar

"...Rachel Corrie used to signify the entire peace movement..."

Are you implying that anything good, positive, and intellectually honest came out of the latest "peace movement"?

(My apologies, I'll have to read your answer in the morning--have a wedding to attend.)

#73 Flaming Sword

Nail on the head. Thanks for saying it for all of us. But still, American FOAD POS :-)

From Alan:

But then again what is democracy?

But then again, would you like me to buy you a dictionary?

You remind me of that Family Guy episode where Peter looks up his ancestors, and one was a philosopher.

His wife asks him to please get a job, and the scenery shows they are living in poverty.
The philosopher in responsee says, "Whhhhyyyyyy?", and goes back sitting in his chair with his thinking pose.

#67 reaganite

I see. Walking with a PC duster, ever so gently removing the deposited layers...

Tell you what... I never could be a L³, cuz I grew up under communism. But I was definitely left of the center, some time ago.

No one had to win me over. All on my own. (that is, in the Canadian context, which means that politically I identify with center right in the US context).

Now, it is true that bagging all dems as jihadi apologists is a nonsense. Any reasoning human would see it as nothing else. There is a plenty of dems that gravitate towards center and which deplore the status quo. And silly utterances like that you reacted to would not make any difference. If that is decisive factor to base one's political leaning, then pardon my gaullic, that would be rather childish.

#56 American,

Dude, I have to ask:

Acid or mescaline?

You certainly are seeing the world through a purple haze (with a touch of anti-Semitism). There was voter fraud in 2000, but it was on the Dem side. Remember in Missouri, where the dead not only voted and ran for office, but also sued for the right to vote?

Ya drank the Kool-Aid. Enjoy the trip, but don't expect us to take you seriously. Vote to surrender our sovereignty to France, Israel to the Islamonazis (as if that will really appease them any more than Czechoslovakia appeased Hitler), and everything left to the teacher's unions (the official Dhimmicrat position), but spare us your delusions of Bushitler.

Let me guess, you’re a Libertarian, right?

I used to be too.

Guys like you are why I no longer am.

Flaming Sword (#73)

Since you're a newcomer to the forum, I think I can speak for the regulars and say that we all wish you to F*O*A*D.

Count me in.

#57 andrew:

I'd like to hear some reasonable discourse from dems besides Zell Miller.

Then keep an ear out for Harold Ford Jr, Evan Bayh, and sometimes Ben Nelson.

The fact, well ok, my firm opinion is that this party is going to have to hit bottom first (or see it in their imminent future) before they're going to come back to reality. They should have stomped a mudhole in their looneys who were even against going after OBL and the Taliban, but chose not to. They decided the naqba of '02 was because "their message didn't get out." McAuliffe made the election a referendum on George by vowing to unseat Jeb. They were crushed. They utterly misread the situation out in California, and stuck with the loathed Gray Davis, which cost them the governorship of a huge liberal bastion. They didn't even conceive of running a non-Davis alternative! No, Cruz doesn't count. Ask a Californian. Now they're losing in the governor's mansions in the South, and claiming it's because "the whole country is mad at Bush, so they're voting out every incumbent no matter who it is." Yes, listen to the synapses sizzle. And meanwhile Clinton has become their very own Typhoid Mary, handing victories to the GOP wherever he campaigns on a Dem's behalf.

The party is now an irrational wounded beast. No amount of coddling them is going to turn them around, just like slipping a raging alcoholic a few six-packs isn't the wisest plan. Keeping the GOP in the White House and pushing their Senate lead toward sixty is the only thing that will bring about change in Dem leadership. The sooner they become pro-American, pro-Western and pro-capitalism again, the sooner the country benefits. But trying to whitewash over their fatal defects to wish this all away makes as much since as treating a brain tumor by applying a bandage to the forehead.

#65 Bourgeois Reactionary and
#78 The Real Travis!

I think that when they use that it is just an affirmation for themselves. Repeateded over and over amongst themselves it really takes hold to the point that no matter what evidence you show them to the contrary they still believe what is "correct" or "clearly" shown.

I heard some donks call zell miller a "fake democrat". they were pissed that he backed bush

#81 Poitiers-Lepanto,

These are the nazis of today, teach them by banning them.

Indeed, you are correct. Personally, I'd rather teach them by killing them, but John Law rather frowns on that sort of thing :-)

Not only for this reason (Arafat's dream), but for numerous others as well, I am going to contribute for the first time in my life (and I am middle aged - sigh) to a major party's candidate in the general election campaign.

Needless to say, the candidate won't be Arafat's.

The stakes are too high.

#88 ördög:esse quam videri

I see. Walking with a PC duster, ever so gently removing the deposited layers...

I get accused of being PC here often, at work, I get accused of being non-PC.

No one had to win me over. All on my own. (that is, in the Canadian context, which means that politically I identify with center right in the US context).

You were an easy convert, do you think there might be some who might not be so easy, but still don't like what their party is doing?

And silly utterances like that you reacted to would not make any difference. If that is decisive factor to base one's political leaning, then pardon my gaullic, that would be rather childish.

And what "siily utterance" is that? I responded to Andrew because he asked a question. But you and I both know that people base their political alliance on far less. Believing anything else is "rather childish".

#93 AJ

Well, he is the one of very few original Democrats left. The rest are L3mmingcrats.

Charles said "terrorists everywhere share his dream"

There is nothing wrong with that statement. It is obviously true because terrorists are obviously mad that bush/repubs invaded two islamic countries and because they probably think we did it because of zionists controlling the whitehouse(see LGF archives). They are hoping that some peacenik like kucinich gets elected, so he can make a department of peace.

#92 RWC

Repeateded over and

See, like I said before. I even stutter when I type, and I am special.

I also just typed bold in a quote. Woo hoo. I lernt a luht yistirdey.

#98 aj

terrorists are obviously mad that bush/repubs invaded two islamic countries

Oh dear we've offended their Islamic sensibilities. Cry me a river.

#89 Iron Fist,

"Let me guess, you’re a Libertarian, right?

I used to be too.

Guys like you are why I no longer am. "

Count me in too. I still consider myself socially liberal and fiscally conservative. However, when our enemies are actively rooting for a certain party, one has to wonder why that is.

And if libertarians are honest with themselves, we don't really have a chance to win a Presidential election anytime soon. Perhaps Bush will have to suffice. And in the meantime, civilization will be saved.

#67 reaganite: That works both ways. A lot of "legacy Dems" (as opposed to leftists) are centrist to conservative. If it gets to the point that the leadership of their party is exposed to national and community ridicule, they may well bolt to the other side. Especially once they agree the ridicule is deserved. That's one of the beauties of secret ballots. Ideally, the DLC and DNC will be forced to chose between their 20% moonbats and their 80% sensible folks. To help them with the math, I'd note that the moonbats will vote for the Dems no matter what they do.

#91 Model4
Great post. I have one comment.

The party is now an irrational wounded beast. No amount of coddling them is going to turn them around, just like slipping a raging alcoholic a few six-packs isn't the wisest plan.

Just remember, the Left are losing their core constituents, that's why they are drifting flooding further left. Centrists are moving faster and faster to the GOP.

Meanwhile totally OT, but funny

At Cose Turche Zaza talks about the police searching the home of the Iman in Carmagnola, Italy who had called for attacks against the Italians in Iraq.

When his wife pitched a fit, the police chief response was:

" your husband wanted holy war, no? Well we're here precisely to give him holy war. Don't worry we'll satisfy all your demands."

Lord, somebody call Amnesty International!

#102 Model4

I'd note that the moonbats will vote for the Dems no matter what they do.

Exactly why I excluded the L³!

Btw, I just had a class yesterday where the professor finally explained why he spoke of 9/11 many times.

His mother and grandfather were on Flight 93.

The whole class was shocked, since we had no idea until yesterday. As a 9/11 victim's family member, he was able to hear the Black Box of that flight which hasn't been released yet. After hearing the tape, he said there's no doubt that it was the people on board who brought Flight 93 down in Pennsylvania, away from civilians on the ground. It was headed for either the White House or the Capitol.

Never forget.

#66 American says

Case in point, before I began reading this blog, I considered myself a relatively strong Israel supporter.

relative to whom?

Hassan Nasrallah

Googling, I found a most revoltingly-named cocktail.

Plus, a recipe for a Victory Meal following the 2004 Elections.

#96 reaganite

Don't worry when people call you un-PC. Take it as a compliment.
Worry when you are calld PC.

But you and I both know that people base their political alliance on far less. Believing anything else is "rather childish".

I am not sure about that. Yes, quite a bunch of people base their allegiances on being uniformad, but there is nothing one can do than trying to inform them.
Some silly label wont be the decisive turning point. BTW, invectives from the left are far more juicy than what one encouters here on LGF.
These, that think they are already "informed" and "know" that this all is a great evil cabal conspiracy, they are beyond repair, unless undergoing a painful, slow and tedious deprogramming.

#91 Model4,

Then keep an ear out for Harold Ford Jr...

I was very worried he'd get the House Minority Leader post. You can probably guess how relieved I was when it went to that raving moonbat Pelosie.

If Ford would ditch his pro-Gun Control stance, and admit that the Second Amendment means what it says, he'd be a real Presidential contender. Hell, if he'd wake up on the gun control issue (it is, fundamentally a civil rights issue), I might vote for the man, if the Republicans ran someone I disapproved of enough (think W's daddy).

This is the voice of the loyal opposition. I disagree with his slamming Bush, natch, and would vote for Bush over him. But there is a vast difference between something like this, and Ted Rall's appalling screed, or the vicious deceit that the nine dwarves spew, or, for that matter, the general tenor that is coming from the Left today.

#108 Frank IBC

Hells bells buddy, what were you googling for. We should have an intervention talk.

When asked why he didn't leave the Democratic Party, Zell answered, "I was here first".
(no link, recent event where Ben Stein introduced him)

Re: "correct" / "clearly"
"A speaker who uses that kind of phraseology has gone some distance towards turning himself into a machine. The appropriate noises are coming out of his larynx, but his brain is not involved as it would be if he were choosing his words for himself."
Politics and the English Language
George Orwell

#109 ördög:esse quam videri
My second oldest brother and I grew up in the same house. He thinks Ted Rall is great. Some people will believe any shit stuffed down their throat. My oldest brother is a Green Beret, he voted for Clinton.

Some silly label wont be the decisive turning point.

Think so?

Not only do the terrorists prefer the Dems (the Wahabis dearly loved Jimmih and sincerely morned his defeat and Clintons record speaks for itself especially in Kosovo), some Dems seem to prefer the terrorists over the present majority party, or at least would like to see terrorist sucess serve as a springboard for them to take the Whitehouse.

The troll is back...

#114

This man.

Is Kim du Toit aware that someone is trolling using his name?

#91

The sooner they become pro-American, pro-Western and pro-capitalism again, the sooner the country benefits.

Regarding the democrats, they will never be pro-American again.

It's naive to think of them as democrats. They're a branch of the world socialists. If you want to see what the democrats are up to, just monitor their site.

wsws.org

They haven't lost their way, as if they are a bunch of confused Rooseveltians. They hate America, they've sided with the nihilists out to make the world unfit for rational discourse, or civilization, and this is a fight now to the death.

It's us or them! Don't be naive.

#113 reaganite

My sincere condolences.

#118 Zulubaby

Given the lack of empty .45 shell casings on the floor in the comments section, I'm guessing he doesn't know. (Yet)

Ta least the troll is spelling it correctly this time, from his deleted self.

Sh*t, *At least*

#56 American 11/14/2003 04:08PM PST
I feel that Bush may resort to fraudulent means to retain the White House next year. He has proven time and time again that nothing is beneath him.

"American", Please let the door hit you in the ass on your way back to the DU / Bev Harris / Diebold / 'please please please somebody find some PROOF of voting machine fraud' topics.
And say 'hi' to "Alan" when you get there.

And "American" if one blog's-worth of comments swayed your opinion so much, you are a weak-minded fool.

#118 zulubabe,

Maybe someone should tell him. We could bring some big guns (figuratively and literally) onto our front in the Troll Wars.

[Toss]

Have a grenade. You're running low.

[Demonic cackling]

:-P

#114 - Poser - I think the earlier Kim de Toit figgered out he misspelled Kim du Toit. I don't think this is the man who wrote about 'pussification'. It's more like "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" - he's not one of us, he'd do a sheep.

"...our President, who happens to have been a qualified fighter pilot, lands on an aircraft carrier wearing a flight suit, and is immediately dismissed with words like "swaggering", "macho" and the favorite epithet of Euro girly-men, "cowboy"."
[Link: www.kimdutoit.com...]

#119 b

Your brush paints wide strokes, but only black and white. There is a bit grey shading in between both primary colors, and it ain't just a narrow strip. Yea, that is the reality.

#120 ördög:esse quam videri
Like me, in '80, my oldest brother voted for Reagan, he got married to an L³ and all of the sudden, Clinton was the "man". My point was that "labels" are what so many people live and vote for.

My sincere condolences.

Family, what can you say?

Iron Fist (#125)

We could bring some big guns (figuratively and literally) onto our front in the Troll Wars.

I think Kim du Toit would like that very much, don't you? ;-)

P.S. Thanks for the grenades, you're a honey.

To those pointing out that Democrats have been responsible in foreign politics before, have supported Israel, etc. - well, that's all true.

What is happening right now is a major shift though, with the Democratic base moving way, way left. Just as the Republicans had their Southern strategy, the Dems are launching their Jihadista strategy . The Demo base has walked off the edge of a cliff, and gravity just won't let them up again. I probably agree more with democrats on "the issues", but I doubt I would ever vote Democrat as things stand today (Not that I can vote, but still =P) ...

/ Döbeln

-Stabil som fan!

RWC -

I was Googling for "donkey recipe". The cocktail was items #2, #4, and #7 on the first 10 from Google search result.

So who's the one with his mind in the gutter? :)

Hell, don't need no weapons for trolls. Just sick this killer on 'em.

** Warning: Shameless posting of photo, but hey, its Friday :-) Brew Time

#119 b: Who knows? I'm on record saying that it is a possibility the Dems will go the way of the Whigs and be replaced by a more centrist party, if they're not willing to become that party themselves. Either way works for me.

They've got their work cut out for them if they want to reform though. Plenty of powerful, wealthy fringe elements to banish. Plenty of snit-fits from a betrayed liberal media. Plenty of voters who simply won't trust them ever again on national security or taxes alone. Plenty who bought Clinton's "third way" and now feel betrayed, who won't be listening to another message of moderation for a while. Plenty of high-ranking politicians that will have to have an "Et Tu Brutus?" moment so that the new breed can seize the reins.
/cues world's smallest violins

#128 reaganite

Family, what can you say?

Yea, my twin brother was a member of Czech Commie Club, before the 1989 velvet revolution. So I can emphatize.
However, he did mature, after all. Still a bit nutty, replaced one religion with another - new age fluff, but it is a bit more palatable.

#132 Frank IBC, Abu [deleted]

Uuhm, my ahh, friend told me to, uhhh, post that. Yeah, thats it.

OT sorry, but did anyone see the anti-Semite Latuff's latest hate-sketch?

Pretty f'ed up: Jew Guerra

#132 Right Wing Conspirator,

[Demonic laughter]

A real Hellhound. Too amusing.

:-P

#134 ördög:esse quam videri
I'll be 42 in two months, he's 2 years older than me. I gave up trying...

#133 Model4 11/14/2003 05:25PM PST

I'm on record saying that it is a possibility the Dems will go the way of the Whigs and be replaced by a more centrist party, if they're not willing to become that party themselves. Either way works for me.

My take as well.

BTW, so long as we are on the subject of Democrats, terror and treason, please remember that the Dems candidate for President will be Hillary Rodham Clinton. It's obvious.

Given the timing, unless Hillary can milk a divorce for sympathy votes, it seems likely that should she win, we will have Bubba back in the White House as the "First Male". Male merely defines the accident of his sex. I can't really bestow on him the title of "Man". He is no man in any real sense of the word.

Hillary cannot wait until 2008. The Dem party has been scraped clean of every decent element by the Clintonistas and Terry McCauliffe. The vacuum cannot remain unfilled. Decent politicians will eventually reclaim the heart and soul of that party in the intervening four years. The Clintonistas know that. It is now or never. They have to seize power in 2004 and, as they did in the 90s, use illegal and criminal means to consolidate it. Hillary is as ruthless has Josef Stalin. It's a good thing that the nation's political differences are not geographic, otherwise, the election of Hillary Clinton would probably bring on another civil war. She is that bad.

If I were Howard Dean, I'd be very worried about my life expectancy just now.

#132

My three year old daughter was watching the computer when I clicked the link. I heard this: (high Minnie Mouse voice)

"OH! Dat's SUCH a cute doggie! Awwwww."

#138 reaganite

Not a matter of age, it seems. Substantial potion of late teenagers are turning towards right. May be a form of protest.
My 1st X is L², while my 17 yr old daughter is R (without much of my input, she is insisting on forming her own opinions).

Harold Ford, Jr. is a "Blue Dog Democrat"; fiscal conservatives, social liberals. They are the only future of the Democratic Party.
[Link: baronhill.house.gov...]

The rest are copperheads and socialists.

#133

You make good points. And I cannot argue them with you. And BTW, you always have a post worth reading, thanks.

I'm not making any predictions about what will happen to the democrats. I don't know.

I'm talking about what they are right now. And they are much, much worse than people realize. They camoflage themselves from their own rank and file and their opponents.

They're way beyond rotten, they're floating on their own stink. Whatever happens, it isn't going to be pretty for them.

There is absolutely nothing left from yesteryears democrats, Zell Miller and other deluded cowards aside.

They're beyond their tipping point on the downside. All we or they can do is watch now.

#142 ördög:esse quam videri

My 1st X is L², while my 17 yr old daughter is R (without much of my input, she is insisting on forming her own opinions).

My X is still a Republican, my 17 year old (In December) son is mostly republican, but most definitely a strong anti-Idiotarian. He's very strong on defense.

#140 Stop Hillary,

I certainly hope you are wrong (I imagine you do to :-).

It is too late for Hillary! to throw her hat in the ring for the Dhimmicrat primaries. Dean will win the primaries. If Hillary! threw her hat in the ring at this late a date, the moonbat base would see her as a spoiler, not a savior.

OTOH, if Dean were to die (in, say, a plane crash) after winning the nomination...

Back in '92 I had a friend who grew up in Little Rock, and he told us all kinds of horror stories about the Clintons.

To be honest, we figured he was making it all up.

Eight years of Clinton made us realize he wasn't. I really wouldn't put anything past them.

#143 Bourgeois Reactionary

The rest are copperheads

I'm not familiar with the term, help me out?

Copperhead is a poisonous snake, Reaganite

#146 Iron Fist

Eight years of Clinton made us realize he wasn't. I really wouldn't put anything past them.

I have a friend who had some involvement in the Ron Brown affair. He's someone I have trusted my life to in the past. He wouldn't BS me.

Copperheads - back to Stop Hillary #20 - the term refers to anti-war Democrats (in 1864).

#147 reganite,

Copperheads

#147 reaganite

Bourgeois Reactionary probably meant vipers, rattlesnakes and such critters.
Considering that copperhead is less poisonous than the above, I would say he is mistaken. :-)

#148 RightIsRight
I know what the snake is, I was curious as to the political reference.

Copperheads - back to Stop Hillary #20 - the term refers to anti-war Democrats (in 1864).

Uhh yeah, that too :)

Teaches me to jump into a thread late and pretend I know what the hay I am talking about.

#151 Iron Fist
Thanks brother.

You too Bourgeois Reactionary!

My guess is that in the coming realignment the republican party will be the party on the left and a new party or former minor party will replace it on the right. It is possible that the republicans will remain on the right and a new left emerge, but I don't think that's what's happened in previous realignments. The democratic name has been dragged through so much mud they're never going to be electable again.

Anyone want to start a pool on which party will fill the gap?

I'll tentatively guess the reform party will replace the republicans on the right when the republicans shift left to harvest the orphaned 'sane left' old democrats. The Democratic party will linger indefinately like a fishy odor but will become as irrelevant as the peace and freedom party, having lost the FDR/JFK wing and possibly even the WJC wing to the Republicans. Hopefully the Clinton wing will go down with the ship, but I don't expect that.

The only thing that can avert this is a Lieberman canditacy and a unity government. I don't know who a hawkish democrat could tap for the VP slot and cabinet positions except Zell Miller and some borrowed republicans. This would appear to kill the Democratic party too, but it might come back after a half decade of soul searching (and anticancer treatments)

Of course the weather report doesn't call for hell freezing over, so if I had to bet it would not be on a miracle saving the democratic name.

#146 Iron Fist

She does not have to enter the primaries. The Clintonistas still control the party apparatus. They also control the real money that comes in from that narrow core of wealthy Dem plutocrats. That money is all damned up right now waiting for Hillary/McCauliffe to open the sluices. Dean can win every primary and it won't matter. Dem push polling with relentless press spin and encouragement leading up to the Convention will "prove" that Dean is a loser.

The mass media, solidly in the Hillary camp, will damn Dean to defeat before the Convention. Paniced Dems will demand that Hillary run and she will be ushered in as the savior of the Party. I'm not sure that the media will succeed in stampeding voters away from Bush but stampeding Dem voters away from Dean will be a cakewalk.

The media will then pull out every dirty trick it can to get Hillary elected. By "media" i mean the works, print, TV, film, radio, the entertainment industry (Hollywood, music, MTV, some sports - all of it). Like nothing we've ever seen. Then will come the true test, the test as to whether the common sense, honesty and decency of the common man will filter out fact from Dem fiction, especially since there will be virtually no facts to look to.

I know this sounds apocalyptic, but that's how it is coming down. It will happen this way.

#121 Cybrludite 11/14/2003 05:11PM PST
#118 Zulubaby

Given the lack of empty .45 shell casings on the floor in the comments section, I'm guessing he doesn't know. (Yet)

Beat me to it. Probably the same pervert that started the IMC pedophilia slander.

Straight Republican ticket for me next year (I normally vote Libertarian, but the stakes are way too high now)...

I predict that 2004 will be the Year of The Disintegrating Donkey (or The Annihilated Ass).

Copperheads were also known as "Peace Democrats", led by Clement Vallandingham of Ohio.

"Vallandigham, Clement Laird (1820-1871) -- Democrat. Leader of the pro-Southern "Copperheads" during the Civil War; arrested by the Union military authorities in 1863 for treasonable utterances, and banished to the Confederate States; returned to the North by way of Canada."
[Link: politicalgraveyard.com...]

b #144 - WTF? - "Zell Miller and other deluded cowards aside."

#140 Stop Hillary: Common wisdom says otherwise, and I believed it. Why face Bush when there'll be a "newbie" running in '08? Why risk being seen as a loser now, hurting the later chances?

But you make damn good points. Something's gotta give, as either the Dems will win in '04, or the Clinton-McAullife influence will have to be forced out of the party (something Dean's already alluded to). All presidential candidates have big egos, but both Clintons' are legendary, and they are surrounded by sycophants who'll seldom give them the whole truth. If another Dem wins this time, she won't be able to run against him as he seeks a second term. There's already a possibility of Rudy taking her Senate seat from her, a devestating position to be launching a White House bid from.

But in the end it's her call, and ours. If we elect that... lady, we'll get what we deserve. She'll draw massive numbers of Republicans to the polls, something to keep in mind. And she may well alienate a lot of donors who will have pissed away hundreds of millions in trying to get one of the nine the nomination. Interesting times.

#161 Bourgeois Reactionary
Where I disagree with bigel on many of his posts, I once, and only once thought "b" was bigel. b is, well, for want of a better term a Raving Radical Right, or R³.

#140 Stop Hillary:
H. Dean's life expectancy isn't what's giving me nightmares. The points you and #14 Brandi made regarding the potential for violence in the upcoming election are well taken. All it would take is a moonbat/islamozoid with an explosive belt at a GWB public appearance to snuff Iraqi freedoms along with America's future. We're whistling in the dark if we believe no one's thought of this.

I hate it when so much depends on one man. Pray for him!

Hope I haven't broken some kind of taboo here.

Gee. Go figure. Democrats and terrorists would appear to go together like peanut butter and jelly. Should the Dems feel the least bit ashamed that they are the party of choice among the Muslim murderbots? Maybe they should ask themselves, "Why do they love us so much?"

#164 Bu Hau
Without going into detail, it's the W supporters I am worried about more than the man. I have a "bit" of insight into this issue.

OK, anyone want to tell me what a "yellow dog Democrat" is?

#157 CCR abu nobodyinparticular: Put my bet on the GOP splitting. "Compassionate conservatives" being the seed of the majority party, moving somewhere between Bush and Ahnold. The religious right, hawks and fiscal disciplinarians will be the party on the right. They'll also get wraparound support from real libertarians and "It's all about the drugs" libertarians. The LLL will shrivel with no one to give them the time of day, and without party patrons funding them through special interest groups.

#158 Stop Hillary,

You might be right, but I know strong Union guys who would rather drink their own piss than vote for Hillary (their words, not mine). That is, of course, in the South. Maybe it is different in the North. But around here, Hillary is generally regarded with contempt. She'll get 30% of the vote (30% of Tennesseans would vote for Satan Himself if he were a Democrat), but that'll cost her the election.

Just as his failure to carry Tennessee cost Al Gore the Presidency..

No matter who the candidate is, I expect the electoral vote to be close. Bush will probably lose New Hampshire, and win New Mexico. He'll win every other state he won in 2000, so he wins (I don't expect another Florida-like attempt to steal the election, because I don't think it will be that close).

Some of the other close States in the mid-West may also fall his way. Essentially, Bush has to screw up badly to lose the next election.

That’s not impossible. Had his father not basically pissed in his base’s face, Clinton would have lost in a landslide.

One hopes W learned his dad’s lesson.

I'd vote for a yellow dog as long as he's a Democrat.

Southern term for a Party loyalist. The Blue Dogs played off that name.

166 reaganite

I have a "bit" of insight into this issue.

Pray tell.

A "Yellow Dog Democrat" is an unswerving Democratic Party loyalist.

The term comes from the 1928 elections. During the election, Senator Tom Heflin of Alabama refused to support fellow Democrat Al Smith. Instead, Heflin chose to support Republican Herbert Hoover, who would go onto become President.

Many Alabamians disagreed with Heflin's choice and in retaliation popularized the line "I'd vote for a yellow dog if he ran on the Democratic ticket!" Compared to the hapless Smith, it illustrated the lengths some Democrats will go to support their party.

[Link: store.yahoo.com...]

#162 Model4,

It just hit me.

Nine candidates == Nine Nazgul.

The emissaries of the Enemy.

Terry McAuliffe is Sauron.

Does that make Bush Aragorn?

Or Frodo?

:-P

[/silly]

IIRC it took twenty years or so for the Whigs to completely die off and the Republican party to form (1840-1860)- while the country was tearing itself apart over slavery. The major parties each went over the cliff in 1964 and 1972, but managed to come back.
I can't imagine circumstances in which Dean or Kerry would win, regardless of what sort of sleaze McAuliffe et all pull. I'd like to believe that "reasonable" Democrats woudl take the party back after a Dean debacle; but finding them is like finding the legendary moderate muslim. Look for a long slow democratic decline and a gradual fractioning of the Republicans.
(Unless we have nukes go off in NYC and Houston.)

#170 ördög:esse quam videri
I get loaned to the USSS very often.

#128 reaganite 11/14/2003 05:17PM PST
Family, what can you say?

'Family are the friends you are stuck with. Friends are the Family you choose.'

#146 Iron Fist 11/14/2003 05:44PM PST
... Back in '92 I had a friend who grew up in Little Rock, and he told us all kinds of horror stories about the Clintons. ...

Just set aside some time and a cold beer, and google "clinton death list". No idea if most of it is true, but certainly engaging.

On the issue of a new Party - something Centrist would easily suit the situation. The 'blue dog' or SANE democrats calve off, leaving the LLL / Socialists to fester. Let'em keep the Donkey, and then the rest of the country can just start calling them the Jackass Party.
With a reasonable & sane platform, the middle 10% could be co-opted, as well some portion of the Republican Party - say those currently sheltering there from the Dem madness.
Myself, I'm a registered Independent, voted Reagan-Bush-Clinton(and boy do I regret it)-Dole-Bush, and with the rising Islamist tide of the 90s, and now hip-deep in the WoT, it's pretty much going to be Republican for the foreseeable future. No matter how many Kerrys or Clarks the Dems try to prop up.

#171 Bourgeois Reactionary: Ah, thanks for the informative but depressing description. As people like that are incapable of being swayed, by definition, they don't seem worth it for either party giving them the time of day.

Reaganite-- you're concerned about the safety of W's supporters, or wrried they may do something wacky? I'm assuming the first.

#177 Jim in Virginia
My point was that it's very unlikely that they will get to W. My worry is how many supporters will die when the asshats try to get to him.

#66

FOAD!

Iraq is in big trouble if any Democrat but Lieberman wins, but I don't think Israel has anything to worry about. American Jews have traditionally strongly supported the Democratic party, and the Democratic leadership knows this.

Why do you think Grover Norquist, Gingrich-ite strategist, wants the Republicans to favor Arab interests? It's because he knows American Jews support the Democrats, and he thinks trolling for Arab-American votes is the answer. Same for Pat Buchanan and his "amen corner" anti-semitic nonsense.

Why do American Jews support the Democrats?

1. The Democratic party traditionally supports social welfare programs. which at one point were needed by American Jewish immigrants. While American Jews don't usually need such programs any more, they tend to take the social message of the Bible to lift up the poor and make the nation strong as a result seriously (a noted contrast to a lot of Christian right-wing Republicans, who seem to ignore the even stronger Gospel message to that effect).

2. The Republican party has traditionally seemed pretty hostile to Jews and Judaism. Back in the early 20th century the Republicans were associated with narrow-mindedness and bigotry toward Jews in all parts of the country except the South, where the only Republicans were Blacks and mountaineers. And just when Jews were becoming more interested in the Republican party message, the "Christian" right came to prominence, typified by Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.

But the Democrats know that if they don't sufficiently support Israel, this is all for nought. And there's nothing wrong with American Jews having Israel as their top issue; it's true of many ethnic groups in the U.S. and is certainly understandable and admirable in this case. You can make a case for the general intelligence level of many of the Democratic candidates, but I think only Sharpton and Kucinich would be stupid enough to throw away the Jewish vote, and neither has any chance of getting the nomination.

Last night reading LGF was just damn depressing- read the Iranians nuke threats and the UN "See no evil" response- deja vu all over again; then read the Belmont stakes Three Conjectures- sad but true. Then I see Reaganite, battling against loonies on left and right. Didn't change the world's condition but it was great to see you keep fighting the good fight. Thanks guy!

Where in TN are you, Iron Fist?

Dick Morris on Hannity radio today said Hillary would not run in 2004 and that the signup deadlines are over. Morris believes that she will run in 2008 and will have a good chance of winning.

Rumsfeld is Gandalf?

[Link: quizilla.com...]

#161

b #144 - WTF? - "Zell Miller and other deluded cowards aside."

Zell Miller is working for the democrats, make no mistake about it.

He provides a target for the people in the democrat party, who are repulsed by what they see, to focus on. Those people can say to themselves, "Oh well, things are screwed up, but atleast there's Zell Miller."

This is a transparent tactic, to draw in those people who are too cowardly to get the hell up and question themselves. Which is the bulk of the democrat types.

Zell Miller is working for the democrats, the democrats are socialists. ANYONE who helps this bunch, helps to add to the 100 million pile of dead bodies.

Don't be suckers. Don't praise Zell Miller, don't advance him in any way. You're helping the helpers of killers.

And btw, the people who camp here 24/7 are probably paid subversives, paid to look friendly and guide you away, especially those who provide a happy face background of details about their job, their life etc...

Don't be saps!

Reganite?? why don't you change your handle to 'Chocolate Cake' ? That's all warm and friendly too.

#180 Gordon
Do us all a favor? Go away like Howling Banshee™ did?

#162 Model 4,

But for 9/11, the more conventional Hillary theory made perfect sense. She'd sit out, a caretaker Dem would run and might lose but not much would be at stake. Life would perk along and Hillary would vamp on to the scene to crush a GOP wannabe in 2008. But so much has changed. The Dem party is in a shambles having fallen into the grip of the leftist loonies that the Clintons really represent but fooled America into believing otherwise. Dean presents an idealogical threat to the Clintonistas -- he exposes their fraud and selfinterest. The Clintonistas have to defeat Dean now. Even then, seeing a defeated Dean will not keep a Clintonista at the helm within the Party and in the Government and that is what counts.

I can't say who it will be, but if Hillary does not strike now and keep the apparatus of the Party and the Federal Government in her iron grip, some more rational Dem will rise up and before 2008 bring the Party back to reality and the Clintonistas in the cold. McCauliffe and the Clintonistas cannot any longer stand another round of Dem defeats. Someone will take the Party back between now and 2008.

That's why Hillary will run. Regardless of the obstacles, it's now or never.

#164 Bu Hau - I am a mere student of human nature. I agree with you, Hillary Clinton and her cronies would do anything, anything at all, to seize power and maintain it.

#166 Reaganite -- Chilling, even though I'm not sure I grasp all the implications of your post. Some times GWB really frustrates me. I don't think he is prosecuting the war against Islam with anywhere near the focus and intensity that is required. BUT, right now, he and his Administration is all that stands between us and surrender. A Democrat victory in this next election will be the equivalent of the result of an 1864 victory for Peace Democrat George McClellan. We will lose this nation.

Gee, the tinfoil hats need some adjustment

#182 Bourgeois Reactionary,

Where in TN are you, Iron Fist?

North of Knoxville. I work in Oak Ridge.

#181 Jim in Virginia
I've seen first hand what war is about. I once had to give a father his two dead sons. I'd rather not kill anyone. I don't have the slightest problem killing my enemies though.

Thanks for your support.

btw, here's a good source for historical US election results

I was doing quite a bit of research on a wide range of political issues last winter, looking at trends and history over the last 100 yrs - Here's a tab-delimited text file of an excel worksheet tabulating the party votes. Unfortunately I mushed all the third-party tallies together as some elections had several other parties getting measureable vote tallies.
Somewhere in that first link is a good list of the historical and now forgotten Party names (as well as those outright stolen by propagandists - 'Progressive Party' being the main example)

#184 Reaganite: (Sigh) No answers, no counter-arguments, only insults. The last refuge of the scoundrel, even after patriotism.

#183 b
Seek professional help.

#183 b

LOL!

Sad but true, conspiracy theories are not only the domain of L³. R³ and L³ meet in the same spot, but in parallel universes. :-)

#183 b

And btw, the people who camp here 24/7 are probably paid subversives, paid to look friendly and guide you away, especially those who provide a happy face background of details about their job, their life etc...

Any chance you've once again forgotten to take your meds? Or, by chance, are you violating Iron Fist's rule?

Regardless, you're cracking me up! "Barking Moonbat" ring any bells?

#190 Gordon
You've been bashed by everyone who is in any way rational. You are the joke of LGF. Arguing with you is like bashing yourself in the head with a club, a useless string of events that results in only one thing, a concussion.

#172 Iron Fist: LOL, I have had the urge to comment on that too. McAuliffe's probably Wormtongue at best though. While the Clintons are probably calling the shots in the party, I'd cast Stalin/the Soviets as Sauron. Beaten before, but casting long shadows and a corrupting influence everywhere, even in the hearts of once decent men in decent lands.

Bush? Who knows. But he's fighting the good fight abroad and at home, and that counts for a lot. He's trying to rally others to face the danger before it's too late as well. As far as the LLL voters and interest groups that have hijacked the Democratic party, that's easy.

Smeagol: We loves our troopses. Brave noble soldiers!
Gollum: We HATES them! Stupid brainwashed redneck savages! Drowns them in their own blood we will.
Smeagol: But we loves America. Smeagol is a patriot!
Gollum: Wicked oppressive land! It steeeeals. It LIES! We will DESTROY this nasty country. Strangle it while it sleeps! (and on and on and on)

Just read your DU. May the similarities to that wretch continue to play out.

I despise Bill and Hil as much as anyone. But I think she knows it's too late for 2004. The Democratic primaries are front loaded intentionally to decide a candidate by March. Gephardt may win Iowa but nowhere else. If Kerry loses NH he is toast; if Dean does not win NH or the next two primaries the air is gone from his balloon. Clark will go nowhere. Dean (or maybe Kerry) will quickly become front runner, and the nine will be down to three within a month after Iowa. It will become a "stop somebody " (Dean) race; but it will be too late to do that. And way too late for Hil to get in. She would needlessly make people mad and she is too smart to do that.

195
McAuliffe = Wormtongue: Perfect.

#183 b: And this explain's Zell's support for lowering taxes how? He hasn't just crossed-over to vote, but written powerful opinion pieces that blast his party's theology. His book? His endorsement of Bush?! Your theory is that by opening eyes from the inside that the party has betrayed many Americans like himself, that it will help the Dems?

Gordon: Jews are Communists who still think it's 1904 outside? With friends like you...

Typical and pathetic swipe at Christians who are conservative though, instead of the inventive previous slurs. If I can find a person who can't afford a computer, will you provide him with yours? Now that's win-win! You'd of course have to be guilty of what you accuse your opponents of to decline.

Hope you have an extra large container of paint to huff from when you run across the report that every single one of the twenty states who gave the most to charity (as the sum of individual contributions, per capita, income adjusted) voted GOP in the 2000 election. Sixteen of the least generous states voted Dem. But facts and logic have a way of tripping you up. Never to the point that you can't fling fabricated mud at those whom you despise though.

#45 Roger L. Simon

Please, from your lofty perch, tell me what I am supposed to 'get over?'

The whole point of Charles' post is that the Democratic party is being supported by the world's oldest terrorist. The leading candidate for that party was only a couple months ago feeling the love at an Arab gathering where Lieberman was heckled.

I've done plenty of thinking and reading, and I'll VOTE to win. You go ahead and try to persuade people like #56 American to vote for the only candidate with America's national security at heart. Good luck. I used to be a Democrat, too, so I understand your clinging to partisanship. I vote for the best person.

As far as my simpleton language, at least I didn't use an expression that I haven't heard since the 1970s when Jimmy Carter had interest rates at 17% (JC: another gift of the Democrat Party). Get my 'rocks off?' Update your language.

b #183 - you're confusing the national Democratic Party (Northeastern and West Coast) with southern Democrats.
[Link: miller.senate.gov...]

For Stop Hillary:
"Three years after Bill Clinton left office, he and Hillary still control what remains of a Democratic establishment... in a detailed look at what it called "Hillary Inc.," the senator's network of fund-raising organizations "has begun to assume a quasi-party status.""
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Iron Fist, I used to work in Oak Ridge (late 80's) on the project that became Yucky Mtn.
/happy face background

Gosh, I for one do NOT want to see the Democrats win. When I was in the US studying yeah, you could say I was Pro Democrat. I wanted Al Gore to win but after 9/11 things have changed. I'm no longer living in the US and from what I can see, the US,UK & their allies are the only powers that are now acting rationally.

The Democrats have their heads way to up their asses to know what's wrong from right anymore. I hope to God the Republicans win again!

#182 -- "Dick Morris on Hannity radio today said Hillary would not run in 2004 and that the signup deadlines are over. Morris believes that she will run in 2008 and will have a good chance of winning."

What deadlines has she missed? Primary deadlines? If so, that won't matter. She isn't taking this nomination through the primary route. She'll take it at the convention after everyone else has bled themselves white going through it.

Morris is nuts on 2008. The Clintons will not control the party in 2008. The Democrats, for the good of America, will have taken it back by then. Bubba and the PIAP (an LDotter thing I like) will be historical political footnotes by then.

Way back in the 50s, many on the far left began to call themselves "liberals." Michael Harrington, for one, openly stated it was to force the liberals to be called "centrists" or even "conservative". I have even heard Angela Davis called a "liberal."

Most of the "neo-cons" are really true liberals who rejected the once-proud name "liberal" after the radical leftists soiled it.

Substitute "Democrat" for "liberal" and you have today's problem with the party of FDR, Truman, JFK, and Scoop Jackson.

The far left runs the nomination process and party machinery, but the ordinary real Democrats are the electorate. I don't know how the two can fight it out.

I can't see the Democratic party dissolving, though. Even its core constituancy: the government employee unions, the media, everyone wanting to live off the dole, and trial lawyers, comes up to a lot of votes and a lot of money. Add in an attractive candidate (i.e. not any of those running now), and they might eek out a victory. They'd be more like the Republicans of the 30s and 40s: a minority, but not completely out of power and occasionally able to win.

Though, exactly what should be the platform of a responsible Democratic party? Simply "me too" the Republicans? A Republican Lite on foreign policy and tax-and-spend domestically?

Libertarian domestically and hawkish on foreign policy (I can dream, can't I?)

Guys and Dolls,

There's a reason I promulgated my rule

Goodnight my friends.

And my enemies.

[Soft, diabolical laughter]

#35 mbruce

Sorry to go so far back up this thread-- Mr. Pol posted an article in French on a recent thread about an operating room being built inside the Muqata so that Arafat can have surgery for stomach cancer without the risk of not being allowed to return to his little fort. According to this article, the Fish hasn't much time left even if he does have the operation-- cancer is too far gone. Anyone see other news items about this?

I guess if one is too drunk to type one's screen name, one is too drunk to post.

Good night, friend. :)

Connecticut Yankee (#205)

I found this from Time Magazine, but it's from October.

Goodnight Ion Fist :-)

#203 Jackal -

You are what Andrew Sullivan would call an "Eagle".

Welcome aboard, friend! :)

Frank, IBC Abu [deleted]

ROTFLMAO!!!

That's hilarious!

Zulubaby, #207, I hear stomach cancer is one of the most painful ways to die.

Certainly a more painful death for Arafat than the American diplomats (Cleo Noel and George Moore) who Arafat ordered lined up against a wall, and gunned down with machine gun fire.

[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]
 

24 BH 11/14/2003 03:04PM PST

#22 RightIsRight:

Dammit! How'm I sposed to explain this to my boss?

Hear, hear! Fire a warning shot over our bows, eh?!?!?

Some folks can lose the privilege - and/or job!

Just as a reminder; if you have primaries in your area, make sure that you go and vote for either Sharpton or Kucinich (hey, the crossover vote worked here to knock Jihad Cindy McKKKinney out of the running, it could work again!)

202 stop hillary

I think your arguments are right on. The biggest issue facing hillary is time. If dean wins the primaries and comes out looking pretty strong within the democrat party, he effectively becomes head of the party - especially since mcscumbag has such a winning record. The clintons can't afford to lose control of the machine.
If Rudy decides to run against hillary for the Senate seat, he'll win and that will pretty much put a nail in her presidential aspirations.
If she runs in 2004 and (most likely) loses, her staure is assured in the party - after all she lost to a popular wartime president. But more importantly, she retains control of the machine. In 2008 she cruises to a noncontested nomination while the R's have an open primary and beat each other bloody.
Does anyone really think the clintons would have any hesiation about screwing over anyone to get what they want?

American scribbles: "If the Palestinians rise up against the Israelis and with the help of other Arab nations push Israel into the sea, well, it sucks because the Arabs are happy now, but the Israelis had it coming."

Oh, yes, you moron, the two sides are equal in morality. I wish you'd been around to comment on the moral equality of the opposing sides of A) Yankees and Confederates; B) Germans and everybody else in WWI; C) every damn war ever.

I just don't know what to do any more. Morons just keep appearing and spouting off the stupidest things imaginable, and especially things (I can't call them ideas) I can't fathom, as I apply rationality to most situations.

How do people go through life so happily stupid? I hate to think that "American" probably acquired a driver's license, although it would explain all those pointless wrecks every morning I see on the way to work. No doubt morons just like hi/r are behind the wheels of those crumpled cars. And I suppose "American" has a voter's card, as well. It's no wonder Ted Kennedy's still a Senator, since people as thoughtless as "American" vote for him every so often.

Seriously, I realize Adam Sandler has a vested interest in people like "American," but wouldn't you think "American's" nearest and dearest would occasionally try to break through the wall of idiocy that pads hi/r skull and try to l'arn hi/r something?

William (#211)

I hear stomach cancer is one of the most painful ways to die.

Nobody deserves a painful death more than Arafat does.

#209, Frank, IBC Abu [deleted]

You are what Andrew Sullivan would call an "Eagle".

Well, I'm sure he means it favorably, but jackals don't get sucked into jet engines.

Actually, even domestically, I am in between the Conservative and Libertarian positions. Not in any logically coherent way, but just "I don't like that" to one side or the other.