Lashes, lashes, lashes for everyone!

I assume they give them in increments, right? Because they'd be dead before 50.

Geez, even the poor bastard who married them gets 30 lashes.

Saudi tolerance: "Hey, at least we didn't execute them."

how could you overlook this?

Saba Abu Lisan, who was in the Al-Muhaya Compound at the time of the Nov. 8 attack, transported the “critically wounded” blast victims to King Faisal Specialist Hospital in her father’s Mercedes, Al-Watan reported.

Saba apparently violated Saudi law, which prohibits women from driving. “Police stopped Saba on her way out of the compound but were understanding of the circumstances, acknowledged she was acting for humanitarian reasons and escorted her all the way to the hospital,” her father Abu Lisan told the Arabic daily.

According to Jewish custom, isn't 40 lashes fatal? So what are they trying to do, up the Jews by a factor of 12.5 or something?

Saudi birth control

Would somebody please tell those hippy protestors that when someone gets 'stoned' to death under Shariah law, it doesn't mean they smoke pot till they die.

ploome (#4)

Now where did she learn to drive? Hmmm.

So tell me American dudes, how do 3 minor 'felony' convictions result in a life sentence in your blessed land? A guy shoplifts a few times and steals a car and gets life? And this is different from lashes for a Saudi?

I guess it's safe to say that these poor people won't be the poster couple for Snafil, the new erectile dysfunction drug being marketed in the United Arab Emirates.

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#9 Fred

Obviously anything that is not 500 lashes is different from 500 lashes.

Fred,

Example, please? With citation?

# 9

GAZE

Please pardon my dipshit son. One of his friends over at Indymedia dee-double-dared him to post a comment at LGF, and he just had to take the bait and make an ass out of himself.

Believe me, he gets this from his father's side. Again, my apologies.

#9 Fred

Well, the felon gets "life" (with possibility of parole usually after 5 years), but with 500 lashes, there would not be much life left within the transgressor. Also, ONE felony as shoplifting would cost you a limb in SA, three would leave you only one foot to stand on.

So, there seems to be more than a marginal difference.

Fred, how many minor felonys are you in for?

Not to mention, "Fred," that falling in love and getting married, even if it's soon after a divorce, SHOULD NOT BE A FREAKIN' CRIME.

Sorry for shouting. Stupidity does that to me lately.

500 lashes for the quicky marriage...

and for something really bad like arson or hit and run???

NO SOUP FOR YOU !!!

Jewish law also prescribes a 90-day waiting period before a a widow or divorcee should remarry.

In the days before modern medical diagnosis, it could take that long to be sure whether or not she was pregnant by the first husband.

Too quick a remarriage could result in a child of uncertain paternity.

I do not, however, know of any penalties imposed on the bride or the groom if they do not follow the rule.

first of all--just for this woman to get a divorce in saudi gynophobia she would have to prove that the husband wasn't fulfilling his husbandly duties--if he beat her that would be cool and no grounds under my sharona law--so she was probably so horny that she jumped on the first mustache she saw after getting released from the marital bonds--that is if she didn't have a clitorectomy-- the kingdom ofsaudi gynophobia--land of vagina dentalis

In related news, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has changed its national anthem to "Whip It," by Devo.

When a good time turns around
You must whip it
You will never live it down
Unless you whip it
No one gets their way
Until they whip it

I say whip it
Whip it good

Whooaaa Fred!

Brave little dude.

BTW, 3 times class 3 felonies (like shoplifting and car theft) would yield a 5 yrs max sentence, class 2 felonies (over $10,000) -- 7 years, and class 1 felonies (over $100,000) -- 15 years.

This variaes from state to state, but these are most common sentences.

We talk all the time about how disgusting it is for the Bush Administration and Foggy Bottom to call such theocratic vermin our "allies", as do many conservative pundits. And they really don't seem to give a damn. I wonder if the only way to get them to change their attitudes is to embarrass them over the alliance in public.

A reporter needs to go up to Bush and list a few of the uglier crimes committed by the Saudi "justice" system, or some of the despicable laws that it enforces. Then that reporter needs to ask him point-blank, with microphones on, how maintaining an alliance with such a totalitarian regime meshes with his vision of spreading freedom and democracy throughout the Middle East. The public fallout over Bush's response to such a question, should it get picked up widely enough in the press, may be the only thing capable of making Bush do an about-face regarding US-Saudi relations.

Are the trolls getting broad trying to "Chase Bush" and gracing us with their presence?

To be fair if they had argued that the guy who married them bore responsibility for their ignorance of sharia they would get off with 450 and the mazoun and his family would have been killed, but ironically if they had tried to argue they would have been killed. Instead they might even survive. There can be no finer and nobler system than the way of Allah and the prophet./Reuters ed.

Silly Saudis!

Isn't marriage going to be enough torture for these kids?

bored, I meant bored.

getting sleepy

Everyone in Saudi Arabia enjoys a good whipping now and then.
I think the couple married quickly just so they could get the free lashes. I bet he has his black leather turban and nipple clamps reay to go!
Even the mazoun is getting in on the action! Now if that isn't cutting edge (no pun intended), I don't know what is. Watch Nazimedia closely, since it is likely that the innovative souls there will adopt this Saudi form of free and liberating sexual expression.

Folks, this is not surprising to anyone that knows Sharia which is Islamic Law...

These kind of cruelties are part of Islam...beating your wife, killing ex muslims, diddling 9 year olds, raping captured women, etc etc and so much more...

All part of Islam!!

Devonator

after 500 lashes there's not going to be much to bury. They might as well feed the couple in to a wood chipper

Now now, boys and girls, we can't criticize such the laws of other cultures. After all, as we're not all devout Muslims, we have no right to comment about something that we know nothing about. Plus, American laws are inherently worse than shariah law. I mean, for simple crimes, you can get be sentenced to life in prison. How horrible that such practices are still continued by a barbaric society!

/LLL

OT BBC, never mind the absolutely raving moonbat article, publishes an enlarged map for the protests.

Saudi tolerance: "Hey, at least we didn't execute them."

This is actually death by torture. It's worse than execution.

#34

To quote Glenn: Indeed.

It would be far more merciful to simply shoot them once in the head.

#29

Everyone in Saudi Arabia enjoys a good whipping now and then.

I think the couple married quickly just so they could get the free lashes. I bet he has his black leather turban and nipple clamps reay to go!

adopt this Saudi form of free and liberating sexual expression.

HA HA HA HA HA!!! Dude, u made my day! Talk about 'tough love'.

#9 FRED, the judicial idiot...

I work in a DA office in CA, THE state with the strictest 3 strikes law

And let me tell you right NOW, no person who has been sentenced under three strikes (25 to life...80% must be served) was ONLY on their third felony. These career criminals are VIOLENT and have rap sheets that are an inch thick. What consitutes a prior strike is up to the judge and after hearings in which both sides can argue whether the felony prior is eligible as a strike (only some felonies are considered strikes). Yes, a third non-violent felony can be declared a 3rd strike, but it only happens with the most egregious of career criminals.

60 minutes II about, oh six or seven months ago? did a story on 3 strikes using a case from my jurisdiction..indeed I know the DDA that was interviewed and have seen the Defense council (who is also a law professor at USC) at my courthouse.

I suggest you actually get your facts in order before trying to indulge in equivalency arguments between a Western nation dedicated to the rule of law and a Theocracy in which Sharia is the only [cough, gag] 'law.'

she was required to wait for three months before marrying another man

Islamic marriage isn't officially over until that time.
The intention is to make sure that the woman is not pregnant.
If she is, the divorce is automatically cancelled.

I suspect she got a punishment for infidelity, since the marriage wasn't over yet.

#38 Outsider

Well, if thats the case, it's ok then. Glad to have cleared that up.

/Sarcasm off

BTW, tradition is to give the lashes in measured doses - you wouldn't want your criminal to expire before feeling the full penalty of the law.

OT, too: On the topic of the female Saudi driver (hey, look how many Amurcans just aim it!):

"Also yesterday, a number of princesses visited Al-Muhaya residents at their new accommodation to express their sympathy and “find out if there was anything the residents needed,” the paper said."

Sympathy and espionage--er, photo ops.

You intolerant infidels! Just you wait until we install an Islamic regime in North America!!!

At least your wonderful Prez. realises that Islam is a "Religion of Peace and Tolerance"!!!---and anyone who disagrees with that notion deserves to have hot toddies poured down their throats, and their fingernails trimmed.

41 Tamar

LOL

Almost sounds like someone needs another dip in the gene pool... ;^D

The US justice system is not that much better than the Saudi system insofar as punishment is concerned. Prison rape is an expected extra-judicial "punishment" in the US, moreover it is the butt of many jokes. This alone indicates a rather diseased culture.

It is possible to get 20 years to life in prison for possession of a few joints in some states. This is comparably barabaric to what is meted out under Sharia. Lengthy prison terms for ridiculously trivial offenses is a crime against humanity, and violates the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment.

I'm not defending Sharia, nor am I comparing the quality of jurisprudence in the two societies (Western--particularly American--jurisprudence is vastly more advanced than that under Sharia) but America retains primitive impulses and a certain blood lust toward criminals which is hard to tell from the Muslims at times.

Which may not be a bad thing. Just don't pretend that the treatment of (some) criminals in the US--especially drug criminals--is any less barbaric than in Saudi Arabia.

If you lose the ability to be critical of yourselves it will not be long before you become a carbon copy of that which you hate.

More evidence why the muslim culture is disgusting and a blight upon humanity.

There is no "peace" in islam, not even for it's believers (slaves).

#39 - Kragar

Yeah - I know - it doesn't make the lashes any better.
I just wanted to explain the concept of islamic divorce and how it applies here.

And out of curiosity, wouldn't 500 lashes kill a person?
it ought to take a really long time which would cause them to bleed to death, no? Is this not capital punishment?
If it's not, I don't see the point in 500 lashes.
I mean, wouldn't one lose consciousness after 50 or so? what is the purpose in that case? to cause permanent disability?

#43 Malinger

Good points - we can see the results of projection in the islogic world. Also, you balance the comparable faults of the two systems - you avoid the hysteria of saying "our papercut equals their beheading." A real thought provoker!

Human nature is flawed. Believers call it what G-d calls it - a sin nature. Islogicians just squint and say we all start out good (little [bigoted word]s).

___

#44 Neo_Con 11/19/2003 12:45AM PST

... There is no "peace" in islam, not even for it's believers (slaves).

You can say it. They don't mind. They're "proud to be humble" before the demoon god (coin? demonic + moon)

O Allah, make victorious your Deen, Your Book, the Sunnah of your Prophet (...) and the (efforts of) your monotheistic slaves.

(du'a qnoot - I think Charles linked to a page of several that contains this one.)

#45 Outsider 11/19/2003 12:54AM PST
And out of curiosity, wouldn't 500 lashes kill a person?

Yep. So they space them out, in small doses.

#47 - LightTower

Thanks. Missed your comment earlier.

#43 Malinger,

Good points.

Tommy Chong got 9 months in the Federal pen, where violence is common, for shipping overpriced glassware across state lines, and we are none the safer as a society for it. And the U.S. gov't tries to export its narcotics laws, as the Saudis try to export their religious laws.

But our society is a democracy, therefore the people bear the ultimate responsibility for any cruelties and injustices perpertrated by their government in their name, whereas in Arabia a theocratic dictatorship rules under the guise of heavenly ordained birthright. I suppose that makes the average Arabian less culpable for his government's flaws than the average American is for his.

justice? in islam? where?

RoPMA.

I expect a fat-twat or whatever they're called will be issued against the Onion for this:

Palestine Appoints New Minister of Rubble and Urban Development

#43

The US justice system is not that much better than the Saudi system

Although I've never been to Saudi Arabia but I have lived in the US before. I'm writing this from a Muslim country so I kinda know how it is in Saudi Arabia. In my country, we don't have cable tv but we do have sattelite tv. Do u know what is the punishment for illegally recieving satelite tv without paying for it? It's lashes AND a fine or maybe both, depends on the case. Dear Malinger, can u tell me what is the punishment for illegally hooking up cable tv in the US?

Comparing the US justice system to whatever that they have in Saudi Arabia is like...forget it. It's not even comparable!

Malinger, u don't have to be politically correct all the time, not at the expense of closing your eyes to the truth.

I recall a conversation I had years ago with a guy who worked for an oil field supply company that did business with Saudi, and he gave a couple of examples of just how schizophrenic Saudi culture is. One example involved two way radios. His company sold Aramco a batch of hand-held two-way radios for use in their oil fields and refineries. Then as now, Motorola was the 900 pound gorilla in that area of expertise, hence the radios that were sold to the Saudi [bigoted word]s were Motorolas. However, Motorola also does business with Israel, and the Saudis knew this. Therefore, prior to the radios being shipped, the name "Motorola" had to be excised from all the equipment, so as to protect delicate Saudi sensibilities; this despite the fact that the Aramco managers who approved the purchase knew full well who made the radios they were buying. We had a good laugh over this one.

The other matter involved something this guy saw when flying home from Saudi to the good ol' USA (with it's e-vil, draconian drug laws that get people sent up for 20 years for possesion of a few joints...and if you believe that, I have some beach front property in Death Valley you will be interested in... but I digress...:). When this guy got on the plane, there was also a lot of Saudi nationals on board as well, often accompanied by their women, who were dressed up in the usual crap the [bigoted word]s wrap their women up with. So, the plane takes off into the wild blue yonder. After an hour or two, about the time the plane clears Saudi airspace, the guy noticed that, one by one, the women started drifting towards the lavatories. A while later, these same Saudi women, who had been clad in their burkas and whatnot, reappeared wearing spray-on jeans, low-cut blouses with their tits hanging out, makeup, etc. Quite a difference, to say the least, and none of the other Saudis so much as blinked, except for a few of the Saudi men who had that "praise Allah, I'd sure like to have that bitch in my tent for a while" look on their faces.

As I said, a schizophrenic culture...

If someone stole my car 3 times, I'd want his ass locked up for life.

If the first two penalties weren't enough to scare you off from a life of crime, nothing short of life in prison is going to discourage you. If you think it costs a lot to put a crook away for life, you should see what they cost when they're out robbing people.

I hope Fred gets robbed and/or beaten up once a day for the rest of his life. Maybe he wouldn't love criminals so much then.

#54 Tatterdemalian

I hope Fred gets robbed and/or beaten up once a day for the rest of his life. Maybe he wouldn't love criminals so much then.

But I wouldn't want anyone to be sentenced to life imprisonment over the guy, so no more than 2 crimes a piece versus Fred, then you've got to lay off.

Please take a number.

Actually, the idea that people are serving long sentences for 'possession of one or two joints' is another part of the leftist mythology of oppression in America. Yes, some people are sentenced to prison for small amounts of drugs... but in almost all of these cases, this is as a result of plea bargaining from much more serious offenses or for repeated drug offenses.

#8 zulubaby

Now where did she learn to drive? Hmmm.

Obviously, one of Allan's minor miracles.

@All, BTW, FRED is not fred from AL, something I'm sure he'd be proud to tell you also.

C'mon, Charles. A few lashes is good for you. everybody knows that.

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Meanwhile Egypt's top export is still... cotton. My how things have changed since 16th century.

isn't there something in the Charmin® koran that says that a moslem larva fetus can remain dormant inside the mother for like 5 years? i'm surprised they're allowed to remarry so soon, what with a potential jr. jihadi possibly still inside fatima...they must be liberalising over there...way to go, sandies

While this is barbaric and there's no defending it, I can't help but wonder, more and more often, what are these women thinking?!?

Surely they know the results of their actions or are these women the Ghandis we're looking for -- peaceful non-violent aggression? What would happen if all their women did that?

Sadly, I've met too many that seem happy with Sharia and the hijab.

And someone please tell me that '3 Strikes' legislation isn't a figment of my imagination; it looks like no one but Fred has heard of it.

Alex F, I'm pretty sure there is such thing as 3 strikes, designed to vary the strength of punishment to fit the criminal. Concerning what the women are thinking, a good temporary measure for most Arab states would be amnesty for women's 'love crimes', because they frequently have no options.

A "Jizan" court? Sounds perverted.

Like it or not it is their written law.
We have laws people are required to follow that everyone might not agree about but they are OUR laws and we must either change them or accept them or ignore the law and possible suffer the consequences . i.e. marijuana laws, BJs in georgia, etc

If the government requires one to follow laws and the majority of people are not heard, the people must change the government.
We did it, what makes these people so sub human that they cannot do it if they wish?

This is the free society that the fanatical left wing supports over democratic Israel. This is what they envision as a better more feeling society. I wish every left wing woman would move to Saudi Arabia and convert to Islam. That is the only poetic justiuce for traitors of their magnitude.

Let them feel the lash.

After all, it is only a cultural attribute.

60 jez wundrin 11/19/2003 06:38AM PST

"isn't there something in the Charmin® koran that says that a moslem larva fetus can remain dormant inside the mother for like 5 years? i'm surprised they're allowed to remarry so soon, what with a potential jr. jihadi possibly still inside fatima...they must be liberalising over there..."

jez anserin, 'k!

Good catch! Except IIRC, that idea is not in the Qu'ran, but in the "commentary" collection.

Actually, that fetus is supposed to be a "bloodclot" formed from the couple's midback areas (that's where the "male and female sperm" come from, right?) Well, that "clot grub" (dunno what else to call it) can INDEED hang in for up to 5 *years* - according to the "absolutely true truth" of Islogic.

That poor woman in Africa got off from her stoning death sentence on that basis - once enough global outrage registered on the Shari'a scale.

But that hibernation stuff isn't the general rule - its trotted out only as the occasion warrants (see previous paragraph on the bad press problem).

But they *are* liberalizing: For centuries, its been *four* months between marriages for those sneaky broads - that way, even if she lied about getting her "unclean," she'd get called on it when she started to show a bulge.

Why jump from one man right to the next? She probably can't get a J-O-B! If she has no close male relative, she can't even leave the home she may not have. Maybe she can beg near the mosque on Fridays, eh?

As for her own money, she can try to live off the pittance she gets if she can somehow hock her rings and bracelets - which may require that "near male relative" for the haggling.

Qu'ran says she gets her dowry (or it goes back to her family), but that doesn't happen if the guy can apply "Enron accounting" to her dowry - most can, some do. And Allack is peering through her window shades...

It must be the Stockholm syndrome that makes those women cling. (They may not have the vote, but can they kvetch! If they really wanted to, I'll bet those little old grannies could nag the entire "Empire Lite" to its knees in a week...)

What? She can't have two husbands? No fair!