We will never accept the Israeli foreign occupier in Palestine, and we will never accept the American foreign occupier in Iraq and Afghanistan. We must cooperate with the Palestinian people in Palestine, with the Iraqi people in Iraq, and with the Afghan people in Afghanistan to drive away the foreign American imperialism occupying our Arab land

Then why in the hell are you blowing people up in Turkey?

Jihad Against Lebanese Christians
[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

Please check out the link. The guest workers bombed, killed in Saudi last week were Christians, not Muslims.

I've spent most of the last two days finalizing Christmas lists, budgeting to make sure my kids get good gifts and all the trimmings for their holy days, and wrestling with whether to spend it with my extended family in Michigan or stay close to home and stay intimate.

Meanwhile, the jihadis are plotting ways to kill me, my children, and my extended family.

And who do the idiotarians consider the greater threat to peace? Us.

When does the Month of Peace end?

Please, tell me the crescent moon rises tonight!

mickthemick

Then why in the hell are you blowing people up in Turkey?

My Turkish Jewish acquaintance says 99% likely these assassins are Arabs. Not Turkish Muslims. He says it's easy for Arabs to visit.

There must be some mistake. Doesn't jihad just mean an internal struggle?

#3 Abu Messerschmitt

And who do the idiotarians consider the greater threat to peace? Us.

You forgot Israel, another country that in no way threatens your family or your holiday.
OT, I have family in the Flint & Ann Arbor areas. Where are yours?

#1

Then why in the hell are you blowing people up in Turkey?

To hammer home the idea that they (whoever "they" are in any instance) only come for the Jews first. When they come for the Jews no one is safe, because eventually they will come for everyone else.

The world chose to reward, coddle and ignore Palestinian jihad. Look at what the world's got to deal with now.

Ed Moran: Abu whatever

When does the Month of Peace end?

You must be referring to Bombadon.

OT Dr. Laura has CAIR seething:

Islam's Defenders Blast Dr. Laura for On-Air Remarks

(CNSNews.com) - An Islamic civil rights group wants radio talk-show host Laura Schlessinger to apologize for what the group called an "anti-Muslim tirade" on her Nov. 17 program. ...

Dr. Laura made the remarks while responding to a mother who asked if her 16-year-old daughter, a student at a Catholic High School, should go on a field trip to a local mosque as part of a class on "moral themes."

"This is a class on morals. What is the point of going to a mosque?," Dr. Laura responded. "You're joking of course...How many Americans have tortured and murdered Muslims?, she asked.

"I think you ought to stand up against this class and this teacher. This is despicable. You tell him you are willing to go to the mosque only if it is one that has done its best to rout out terrorists in its midst...I am so sick and tired of all the Arab-American groups whining and complaining about some kind of treatment...What culture and what religion were all the murderers of 9/11?...They murdered us...That's the culture you want your daughter to learn about?"

[Link: www.townhall.com...]

Stooge
There must be some mistake. Doesn't jihad just mean an internal struggle?

Only internal struggle going on is over the best way to kill Jews, Christians and Hindus. Zoroastrians too probably.

#10

Ralph, that ought be a Hat Tip!

JG

#5 dennisw

My Turkish Jewish acquaintance says 99% likely these assassins are Arabs. Not Turkish Muslims. He says it's easy for Arabs to visit.

Oh, I have no doubt the bombers are Arabs. But that was my point. They're calling for the "liberation" of Arab lands (Iraq, Palestine), as well as other Muslime countries (Afghanistan), but then committ two atrocities in Turkey which cause more Muslim casualties than anything else. Ofcourse, I never said the jihadists weren't hypocritical.

EGYPT PRESIDENT FALLS ILL

Mubarak, 75, was seen wiping his nose during the speech at the people's assembly moments before the broadcast was cut for several minutes.

I have family in the Flint & Ann Arbor areas. Where are yours?

Grand Rapids/Lansing area.

ralph

My alter-ego saw it first

Mubarak, 75

Mubarak is 75?

I just turned on cnn to see what was happening with the protests in England (prime focus at cnn). After listening to the last of amanpour's bleatings, the anchorbabe said "we will keep you up to date on the topling of the Bush statue (film in background of 20' tall GWB effigy). The demonstrators tried unsuccessfully to topple it during our last commercial break. As soon as they try again we will bring it to you live".
" Now we go to Istanbull and the British Embassy where..." and she went onto to describe the carnage by 'suspected AlQ terrorists'. I almost started to laugh out loud at the idiocy.

Are there really only a handful of rational people who see this crap for what it is?

The only important story is the toppling of the Bush effigy by a handful of cretinous commies?!?!

Good G*d, are we already this far gone?

#11 dennisw
Actually, the RoP & Tolerance took care of the Zoroastrians a long time ago. There are virtually none left. They've been working on Iran's Bahai community for decades as well.

OT-Go Dr. Laura! I've never listened to her show, but anything that makes CAIR seethe gets my cheers!

#17 john

we will keep you up to date on the topling of the Bush statue (film in background of 20' tall GWB effigy). The demonstrators tried unsuccessfully to topple it during our last commercial break.

Maybe they need an M88 armoured recovery vehicle !!

Posted an earlier version of this on another thread, but given the above, might be worth a reprise.

We Need a Little Jihad
(to the tune of: We Need a Little Christmas)

Call out the faithful
We've got to gird our loins for
The great battle a-
Head to the borders
And take some orders from those
Leaders wanting Jews dead.

Chorus:
Cuz we need a little Jihad,
Right this very minute,
Semtex on our torsos
Hope we can begin it.
Cuz we need a little Jihad
Jihad means “our stuggle”.
And if you buy that explanation
You can leave on a vacation.

While you're relaxing
We're busy faxing memos
To our soldiers who-
Pray for to day now
To make you pay for all your
Wicked infidel ways.

Chorus:
Cuz we need a little Jihad
Just to keep us busy.
All the whines and seething
Starts to make us dizzy.
Yes, we need a little Jihad
Makes us warm and fuzzy.
And if you don't know where it's headin'
You don't know jack 'bout Armageddon.

Slayed ‘em in Turkey
While they were lurkin’
At their synagogue during-
Prayers are so useless
Because we’re ruthless and we
Strike when you're unawares.

Cuz we need a little Jihad
Keeps our spirits bouncing.
Kafirs we’re exploding,
Apes and pigs we’re trouncing.
Cuz we need a little Jihad
Keeps us from imploding.
Need a little
JIHAD NOW!

#17 john

Well, I guess the funny thing is that those limp dick morons still haven't been able to tear the damn thing down.

Maybe G-d is sending them a message? ;)

john (#17),

Thanks for the laughs.

The demonstrators tried unsuccessfully to topple it [Bush statue] during our last commercial break.

LOL!

Just how pathetic can you get? They couldn't pull down a paper-mache statue that was built with the sole intention of being pulled down.?

LAME
LAME
LAME

#4 Ed Moran

New Moon is Nov. 23. I don't know if Bombadan ends at the crescent right before or after the New Moon, so we have a few more days of peaceful fasting, praying, and bombing to look forward to.

Somebody be generous and donate a brain cell to those morons. Obviously they can't round one up themselves. My eight-year-old nephew could find a way to topple a statue without breaking a mental sweat.

Damn. I thought Wolf Blitzer was going to have an orgasm when the statue went down.

Maybe they tried to run it over with the pink tank and broke the tank.

Umm, hmm ... unintended double entendre there.

At this point it seems to be clear that the Islamists are trying to turn Ramadan into a latter day version of the Tet offensive.

I'm not sure that analogy is fair to the VC and NVA, since they actually took on the Americans and ARVN head on during Tet. However, Tet was portrayed as a US defeat by the media. The VC infiltrated Saigon and attacked the US embassy there, and there was a fierce battle with the NVA at Hue. Khe Sanh, right in the middle of the NVA and VC supply lines was under seige. Every day during the seige the news reports were filmed in front of the same downed chopper and it looked like the US was losing.

The fact is that the US and ARVN won the Tet offensive militarily. The VC were pushed out of Saigon with heavy lose and Hue was held. Khe Sanh may be one of the great tragedies of American military history in that a supremely heroic victory was labled a defeat by the press. An American unit, isolated by geography so it could only be resupply by chopper, is right in the middle of the enemy's supply line and is under attack by enemy forces in superior number. Early on, an ammo dump was hit by a mortar so supplies were a problem for the Americans. The NVA had to take Khe Sanh to ensure their supply lines south and fought fiercely but the Marines held. The offensive failed and after the battle and the NVA retreated they discovered a huge number of enemy dead surrounding the base. You can check it on Google, but it think it was something like 2000 enemy dead.

By every military standard Tet was a failure by the VC/NVA and a victory for the Americans and ARVN but that's not how most people remember it.

The Islamists are going on the offensive now. How organized it is I don't know, but they are mostly going after soft targets for now but they want to keep the pressure up so the left and the media will get the blood they need to whine and seethe and turn it into another Tet in terms of how the US public perceives it.

I worry how the Islamists will celebrate the end of Ramadan.

While calling us warmongers, the anti-Americans of all stripes think that we've lost our stomach for blood, that we cannot tolerate a soldier or two a day or a helicopter a week in the name of a good cause. Sure, the part of America that wants a risk free life and warning labels on everything might not understand the cost of freedom, but others do.

#22 Geepers

You stole my thunder (may Allah shake the ground beneath your feet).

They probably could have pulled it off had they been advised by the talking trees and friendly rocks described in everyone's favorite bedtime story, the Hamas Charter (article 7, if memory serves).

sorry for the typos

preview is my friend

that should be:

The VC were pushed out of Saigon with heavy loses

An American unit, isolated by geography so it could only be resupplied by chopper

Ummm... Wasn't 1973 a disasterous defeat of the Arab armies? If so, I do heartily wish them more such victories.

OT: This was playwright Harold Pinter's open letter to President Bush in the Guardian:

Dear President Bush, I'm sure you'll be having a nice little tea party with your fellow war criminal, Tony Blair. Please wash the cucumber sandwiches down with a glass of blood.

Is Pinter deranged? Every one knows Bush swore off blood-drinking more than 20 years ago. And someone from Texas would never willingly eat a cucumber sandwich unless it also came with some b-b-q.

Why not invade Israel? says Gerald Kaufman.

He makes some good points. He isn't wrong exactly, in my view, about the effects of the fence (jihadi filter) to the local population but he does lay the blame for their wretched plight at the foot of Ariel Sharon and I certainly don't agree with that.

He really lets himself down at the end when he goes into knee jerk leftie mode:
US invasions of Grenada & Panama - check
US capital punishment - check
Gitmo - check
president who was never elected - check.

Shame. Some good points ruined buy unresistable sibboleth reciting.

#31 Studebaker Hawk, "fantastic new superhero of the current economic slump":

Haven't you heard? Any military engagement involving Arab armies that ends anywhere short of said Arab armies being wiped out to the last man is a mighty and glorious victory.

Before it's too late, these people have to face the fact that the ONLY weapon they have against the West (including Israel) is the latter's reluctance to kill promiscuously - and that this reluctance is by no means guaranteed forever ...

Re: The protests in London and Miami

Al Capp, who penned the Li'l Abner comic strip, became a bit of a curmudgeon in the 60s and started to take on student protesters with some decidedly unfunny strips. This shows that the Al Franken disease is not restricted to the left. The danger of doing political comedy is moving from comedy to speechifying. Lenny Bruce was a supremely funny comedian but when he lectured his audience or read transcripts of obscenity trials, he lost his audience because it wasn't very funny.

Anyway Capp did come up with one funny joke. His students were members of an organization called SWINE. Students Wildly Indignant about Nearly Everything. It might be more accurate about today's transnazis, pro palis and anti-globals than it was about students in the 60s.

Watching the current crop of protesters reminds me of the scene in The Wild One where the young woman asks Brando's character, "What are you rebelling against?" and he diffidently replies "What do you got?".

The left is naricissism as a political movement.

Here's a transcript of the Bush/Blair press conference:
[Link: politics.guardian.co.uk...]

#35 ronnie schreiber

The Left is a peculiar combination of the narcissistic and the self-loathing.

empowering Allah!!!

They are empowering God?!!!

Is this not the ultimate blasphemy?!!!

#33 Yasser Ican Abu Gee (mark holland)

Are you serious? That was one of the looniest articles I've ever seen!

What if during Ramadan, or any time, another successful strike on American soil occurs and kills hundreds of people? What about Israel? What do we do then? Do we still rely on the U.S. government and local agencies for protection? Or does it come to grabbing the rifle/shotgun/handgun and taking vigilante justice on any muslim whether that muslim is directly responsible thru action, knowledge, or just plain sympathy to the killers? Is anyone else losing sleep over this?

IS total war, including the extermination of a people that share a common belief, the appropiate reaction to a big attack? I know all here will answer "no". I hope not. I certainly do not want to advocate genocide, bust someitmes I begin to lose all hope. Or maybe the islamofascists understand that this might be a potential result and just peck and peck away. A few Americans here, a few Jews there... Do they really think the west couldn't destroy them if it actually chose to do so? I hold beliefs that murder is wrong, yet sometimes I fear that it will be the only deterrent to a cult of crazed, devoted, zealots.

OT:

The attached links, to the website of Indynazi' Richard Butler's Idaho lawyer, is worth looking at only to heighten awareness of the state of mind of these alleged humans. The modus operandi of "Edgar J Steele, Esq" is to blame Jews for everything, starting with his personal problems. I wonder if the state Bar Assn requires its members to coat-check their pointed hoods, before meetings:

[Link: www.conspiracypenpal.com...]
[Link: www.conspiracypenpal.com...]

Maybe we should test the pesticides they use on Idaho potatos.

scaramouche,

Self loathing is part of the narcissism pathology. I believe that the self loathing is redirected outward towards other objects of ire so as not to have to deal with improving one's self.

Or at least that's how this narcissist understands it.

CNN reports that the Saudis are now indulging in Chechen-style snuff films of Americans getting blown up in Iraq.

[Link: edition.cnn.com...]

I have info about the site in question (hosted in Canada) here:

[Link: mir-zaynen-do.org...]
and here
[Link: internet-haganah.info...]
(and 16 other locations...)

Mubarak, 75, was seen wiping his nose

This is headline news?

#44 zulubaby
He's doin' coke...they don't call him hosni for nothin'.

FOR THE UNDERANIMALS:

Daily insult to the jihadopigs who have murdered more innocent People.
jihadopig, you are just a rotten left over of history and the leftists are your bitch.

FOR THE HUMANS:

have a look at the Times online, on the right they have a link to a complete list of all the terrorist attacks since 9/11. INCLUDING all the attacks in Israel.

#44 zulubaby

The word in the Egyptian media is that Mubarak has been suffering unspecified "health problems" or the Yasser Arafat variety. Hence the concern with seemingly inconsequential symptoms.

#33 Yasser Ican Abu Gee (mark holland)

Why not invade Israel? says Gerald Kaufman.

Oh, dear. I just realized! According to Mr. Kaufman's reasoning, the USA is gonna have to invade the USA. Oh, the humanity! Oh the logistics!

And the Islogic is there! Israel *must* be punished for self-defense and response to repeated aggression far outside the bounds of civilized engagement. (Those dastards! Trying yet *another* way to avoid blown-up babies. And so far, it hasn't attained G-d-like perfection! So we don't have to care how many unfounded attacks--er, incidents were cut off by the new method - just trumpet the continued bloodshed, call that a reason to invade the victim, and pity the poor Palie perps. I begin to understand - the Islogic...)

Oh, the idiocy. We need more motivation to attack ourselves than this stuff. I know - let's all go beat and jail rape victims now, shall we? At least al Islam doesn't do that to *its* own women. Oh, wait...

OT

IslamoLeftist Fun

iran leads IAEA astray?

[Link: www.menewsline.com...]

andrew (#45)

LOL!

scaramouche (#47)

I was being facetious, and why isn't Arafat dead yet?

O.T. I'm having a little discussion over in the paknews forum under 'religion of peace' with a [bigoted word] named Pan Islamic, if any of you sages could spare a little time to help me out it would be greatly appreciated. I love your finesse. thanks.

If Mubarak goes to join Allah in the big fire, what happens to Egypt? Unlike Yasser Arafat , whoever replaces Mubarak could be even worse.

The world is mad, with small islands of reasoning and intelligent reality checks. LGF happens to be one of those small islands.
I suspect we ain't seen nothing yet. When the real war begins we'll see all of the nightmares come crawling out of the woodwork.

And...it will certainly be a time of 'Lock and Load'.
Maybe the action at the Gun/Ammo show wasn't so unwarranted after all.

Slightly OT:

More evidence of how the distinction between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism is hopeless blurred:

NY Post, Nov. 20, 2003

City Council Fights Own Mideast War

A resolution denouncing former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamed for anti-Semitic remarks prompted a furious war of words yesterday in the City Council.

The measure passed, but Councilman Charles Barron (D-Brooklyn) drew criticism by voting against it and accusing his fellow lawmakers of always being pro-Israel.

"I will be voting against any resolution pro-Israel in this council until this council has the heart to be fair with the Palestinian cause and come up with a [similar] resolution," Barron said.

The council resolution was in response to last month's much-criticized speech by Mahathir, who told a large Muslim audience that "Jews rule the world by proxy" and Muslims must unite and build more weapons to achieve a "final victory" over them.

Council Speaker Gifford Miller (D-Manhattan) said the resolution was anti-bigotry, and called Mohamed's remarks offensive.

Frankie Edozien

(For those of you who don't live in NYC, Charles Barron was one of the councilmembers who helped sponsor a visit by Zimbabwean mass murdered Robert Mugabe.)

I caught an IMC editor that hide a posting I made of the Hamas thugs infront of the pa flag ontop of Israel. He likes to hide postings that prove diffinatively that the arab agenda is to not live in peace with Israel.

I encourage you to add your feelings to this thread.

IMC editor showing bias agenda.

Its easy to complain on the LGF forum where just about everyone agrees with each other. going into their camp takes more effort.

OT amusements:

Ancient History Explained...

A team of archaeologists found a slab of rock with 5 figures carved on it, in order:

A Woman, A Donkey, A Shovel, A Fish, A Star of David.

After months of study, the leader took the rock and went on a lecture tour. He said the carvings were thousands of years old but even so, they revealed a lot about the people of that time.

The woman being placed first in the line of figures showed that women were held in very high esteem - most likely a family oriented culture.

They probably used the donkey to till the fields.
The shovel shows they were highly intelligent as they knew how to make tools.
The fish shows they knew how to augment the crops they raised by also reaping from the sea.
The Star of David of course indicates they were a very religious group of people.

A little old man in the front row finally got the attention of the speaker.

When acknowledged he said, "I'm sorry to blow your conclusions but you were reading it left to right. In Hebrew we read from right to left.

That way it reads, "Holy Mackerel, Dig the Ass on that Chick!"

#41 Camel Prophet

Steele really does seem to have a persecution complex.

After reading his list "its the Jews," I was left with the impression that Jews must occupy much more than 1.5-2.0 percent of the American population.

Why do you connect him to the imc? It looks like he has his own website for his ramblings. Does he also post his ramblings on that forum?

Engineer (#53)

If Mubarak goes to join Allah in the big fire, what happens to Egypt? Unlike Yasser Arafat , whoever replaces Mubarak could be even worse.

I read somewhere that his son is being groomed to take over from him.

A truely amazing response by Christian victims of terrorism:

A tourist from Ecuador who was injured in the recent Jihdai terror In the Eilat-Aqaba border:
Priest Gustavo: "I want to tell to whoever shot me - I love you very much, I bless you and hope god forgives you for what you have done"

How is that LLL?
he got shot and still doesn't want to kill anybody!

Get that you infantile schmucks? "Root causes" my ass.

Some people are smoking way to much funny ciggeretts on the imc forum. They are now claiming that Mossad had an operations headquarters in Iraqi it was bombed.

Its amazing really the reputation that the Mossad has in the Arab world. They seem to think the Jews are everywhere. I suspect that the reputation is furthered by all those fiction writers that specialize in spy novels and portray the Mossad as the ones always lerking around the corners committing acts of revenge for killings of Jews.

(#60) Outsider

I think the Pope said something very similar when he got shot.

Month of Jihad...to be followed by

THE DECADE OF EXTERMINATION OF ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST JIHADI SCUM

#41 Camel Prophet

Who says there are no right-wing moonbats. That is right-wing moonbattery as high art.

#61 Kelly
I get the impression that the Mossad enjoys it's reputation in the arab world.

#53 - Engineer, #59 - Zulubaby

His son Gamal (known as "Jimmy", the 'pro-western' corrupt businessman with connections) is indeed being groomed to take over.
However, he does not win the support of the Army as of yet, which is crucial.

Not to mention Egypt now borders on a famine.
An acute shortage of wheat is expected very soon, which will destabilise the situation.
In addition to that, the local Jihadies - Gama'a Islamiya - is getting considerably stronger, and being appeased by the gov't (just recetly more than a thousand members released from prison).

And while all that happens, it was just authorized to sell Egypt some Harpoon 2 maritime cruise missiles.
Also improved M1A2 tanks.

We're in for some big trouble my friends.

#48   LightTower

Islogic

I love that one!

#65 andrew

Playing with their minds. There is now another poster that thinks Mossad controls the CIA and that it is responsible for all the terrorism actions. I warned him that the Mossad has access to Santa's database and that he can't hide.

Its really too bad we can't tap into the traking software that imc might have on their server. Then we could really scare the posters by reveiling facts about them the way Charles does. Could really play games with their heads then.

#2 dennisw 11/20/2003 08:44AM PST

"Jihad Against Lebanese Christians"

I'm sorry that you were able to successfully fact check my impression when this first happened (no time to look up the original thread I posted on - but almost a given).

Don't every be confused. The bloodbath would never cease, even if there were only one sect left in the world. Killing fuels their spiritual program, no matter how much an individual might resist that foundational truth.

"On Saturday, the Saturday People. On Sunday, the Sunday People." (Broadcasted banner at a terrorist rally-er, mosque speech)

It is not like the agenda is going to change. Happily for us, G-d is infinitely greater than their demoon-god. Unhappily, their worship, bloodshed, and "primary" education are, in fact,

#38 Keelie 11/20/2003 09:52AM PST

empowering Allah!!!

But there is also good news - it isn't technically blasphemy if it isn't actually a god... (*just-polished-off-the-cream grin*)

#68 Kelly
Now that would be fun!

OT -- Here we go again

U.S. to Trim Loan Guarantees - Israeli Official

#41

Edgar Steele has been writing opinion pieces for Van Guard Noose Network for some time, which is where he still gets most of his referrals. Here's his mugshot. It looks like he has mild eczema on his face or something.

#61 Kelly
It's not just the moonbats in the Arab & Muslim worlds that see Mossad everywhere. Cretins from both ends of the political spectrum in the West (including the US) accuse Mossad of all kinds of things. Somebody on another thread linked to an Nazimedia posting accusing Mossad of executing the Istanbul bombings.

re: #40

We've made a terrible societal error brought on by our reaction to the usage of atomic weapons - the belief is that H-bombs represent total war and it became unthinkable and, if thinkable, then irrational;

- by extension, that makes all military use a "limited" activity - we are forever arguing about the boundary conditions at the limits.

pre-atomic age, total war was strategic and rational - blitzkrieg, all-out aggression. Nuclear capability has pacified us, directly and irreversibly, and the RoP exploits it.

OT -- All the usual suspects, natch.

Russia, China and Pakistan ID'd As Probable Suppliers of Iran Uranium Enrichment Technology

Behold the month of Ramadan, month of the victories throughout history, among them the anniversary of the crossing of [the Suez Canal] on the 10th of the month of Ramadan [in 1973].

uhm...I don't recall a great muslim victory in 1973...I remember something vaguely about Israel wiping out large chunks of Arab invaders...

#59 zulubaby, #66 outsider

Great, another Bashar al-Asad. Maybe he will be weak enough that it takes all his effort just to keep his head and he can't cause trouble for us.

#31

Kind of late, but to set the record straight:

1973 was successful for the Egyptians initially and is considered one of the greatest modern military victories in Arab countries. The Egyptians successfully crossed the Suez and took control of a large lodgement on the east side (which would have been very defensible against the IDF with a combination of dug-in defensive positions, AT weapons, and a SAM umbrella). However, they pressed their advantage (Sadat usually gets blamed for this) and pushed into the Sinai where the regrouped IDF handed them their asses. Israeli tanks were ranging around west of the Suez by the end and could have taken Cairo if they wanted before international powers (US and USSR) stepped in and put a stop to it. The nature of the eventual defeat of Egypt is considered by most to have directly led to the 1978-79 peace accords.

A similar thing happened in Golan (simultaneous attack with Egypt -- actually quite a military feat for Arab armies) with a massive Syrian armor attack nearly succeeding before IDF reserves and AIR saved the day.

When you almost always lose in straight up military conflicts with Israel or the west, even a little victory like early in the 1973 war is fondly remembered in the Arab world.

#76 m12edit

uhm...I don't recall a great muslim victory in 1973...I remember something vaguely about Israel wiping out large chunks of Arab invaders...

Yeah, you see you must be reading western history. You know, the Arabs attacked the Israelis on Yom Kippur, and then the Israelis trounced the Arabs in approximately three weeks.

But in Arabspeak (Arab fantasy), that was a great victory for the Arabs because:

1) Unlike the Six Day War in 1967, they actually got off a successful attack (never mind that all the Jews were in temple praying at the time),

2) Unlike the Six Day War in 1967, the war lasted over three weeks before the Arabs were trounced.

3) They fought the Jews. That in itself is a moral victory for Arabs.

OT: After a great deal of effort, protesters in London have finally toppled the paper mache statue of George W. Bush. Because, as we all know, Bush made a terrible mistake by toppling Saddam the Man (obvious sarcasm off).

Which leads me to imagine an equivalent story taking place during WWII--in Washington, D.C.

Washington (Reuter News)--Protesters opposed to American involvement in the war marched to the Washington Monument today with a giant paper mache statue of British Prime Minister Winston Churchill.

The protesters, who later trampled on the statue and burned it, blame the British Prime Minister for involving America in the European war.

"Pearl Harbor was just an excuse," said Joe Mangiacake, a 21-year-old plumber's apprentice from Brooklyn. "Everyone knows it was "Churchitler" who started this war."

Another protester, Jack Whitbread, 18, from Connecticut, said "American boys are dying every day and for what? Just so England can get its hands on some coal."

The protesters also carried a giant puppet of President Roosevelt and chanted "FDR is Winnie's poodle, he will never use his noodle..."

#76 m12edit

Note how Ramadan is the "month of the victories throughout history," yet when it was time to overthrow UBL's Taliban hosts is was unthinkable to attack during Ramadan.

Who says the U.S. is culturally biased, or that the invasion of Iraq offends Muslim sensibilities? It seems the U.S. forces can celebrate Ramabomb appropriately. Ofcourse, the U.S. celebrates by sending jihadis back to the pit with their Allah. Go 4th ID!

#1 mickthemick 11/20/2003 08:42AM PST
Then why in the hell are you blowing people up in Turkey?

Simple. Because they can. Because there are ANY Western entities within the country. Because they can reach them. Because Turkey is not yet a Sharia-Shithole. Because despite Turkey's refusal to allow their terrirtory to be used as a staging ground for US ground assault into Northern Iraq, Turkey is a member of NATO, in Alliance with the West, and for over 12 years the Coalition aircraft operating over the Northern No-Fly Zone of Iraq were based in Incirlik, Turkey. There's been a huge US base there since the end of WW2. In fact, IIRC, U2 flights over western Russia were conducted from that base.

OT - wow. All three major cable news networks have live coverage of OJ's White Bronco Michael Molester's White Learjet cruising down a runway...

They're so polite in Germany:
[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

They're so polite in Germany:
[Link: apnews.myway...]

BERLIN (AP) - Fed up with garbage-strewn streets? Berlin thinks it has found a solution - trash cans that say thank you.

Hmmm. I wonder how you say "Oh, I looove trash!" in German?

OT: There is a good post on Scrappleface: UK Police Gear Up for Peace Protestor Terror. The second comment has a link to wonderful pics of military supporters at Ft Lewis who hijacked an anti-war rally that was intended to demoralize soldiers on their way to Iraq. I'm sorry I don't know how to provide a link, I'm pretty new to computers. If anyone is interested maybe you could do it.

#76 m12edit 11/20/2003 11:17AM PST
Behold the month of Ramadan, month of the victories throughout history, among them the anniversary of the crossing of [the Suez Canal] on the 10th of the month of Ramadan [in 1973].

uhm...I don't recall a great muslim victory in 1973...I remember something vaguely about Israel wiping out large chunks of Arab invaders...

Not only that, but they are pretending that the OTHER 'great crossing of the Suez' which occurred on Oct 16&17 1973, never happened. Sharon's units crossed, roamed eastern Egypt and cut the supplies to the Egyptian forces operating in the Sinai.
Sadat and his propaganda ministers were proclaiming 'Victory!' from the opening shots, and all they way through, regardless of the situation, and still did so even after Sadat balked and left Syria (& don't forget the Iraqi division) at the table to pay the bill.

NEWSBREAK: According to Rantburg (and AFP), Saudi Arabia will be hosting a "terrorism conference" this February. Unfortunately... as you can read on my blog... I will be unable to attend.

"Tis a shame Bombadon is only 28 days long.

Must be a Mossad plot. Like making February "Black History Month".

I think it was the Mossad's fault I couldn't get any in high school.

Hmmm. I wonder how you say "Oh, I looove trash!" in German?

"Ich Liebe der Schroeder"

#86 friend,

Here is that link you mentioned.

#85 Oskar der Krautsch 11/20/2003 11:45AM PST
BERLIN (AP) - Fed up with garbage-strewn streets? Berlin thinks it has found a solution - trash cans that say thank you.

Hmmm. I wonder how you say "Oh, I looove trash!" in German?

(just a guess) "Heil Hitler"?

and on the Ft Lewis thing, I'm still trying to arrange the data from my acquaintance that was actually there...

off topic - sorry.

i'm looking for a list of global conflicts that involve muslims, e.g. Timor, Chechnya, Bosnia, etc. . .

can anyone email, list, or link to a list i might be able to use?

my thanks in advance.

jcrue
website

Breaking news(/sarc off)

Saudis' strict Islam called a 'threat'

By Tom Carter
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Saudi Arabia continues to fund and export its Wahhabi brand of Islam, making it a "strategic threat" to the United States in the worldwide war on terror, the chairman of the U.S. government commission on religious freedom said yesterday.
"It is an ideology that is incompatible with the war on terrorism," said Michael Young, chairman of the State Department's Commission on International Religious Freedom.

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

A letter to Muslims, are shall I call them "Fidels". It only makes sense. Since everyone else is an “infidel” then they must be a "Fidel" (ohh, if only Fidel Castro knew) because they are a peace-loving, monogamous, trust worthy, righteous people there's only so much sarcasm in me.

Dear Fidels,
It seems that your pagan moon god has promised you the world. Then why can't you just give up that little tiny land called Israel for the Jews. I mean that's all they want.
Don't you think Saudi Arabia is large enough to practice your mercy killings. It has plenty of desert space. Really ideal for your moon god to see your good work out in the open and reward you with plenty of wine and virgins in paradise…you never know…your god may even throw in a few boys if you kill a couple of camels too. After all, camels must be infidels too since they don’t pray 5 times a day in a trance, and then go off and rape & kill infant camels.

HELP!

Someone get Jacko off my tube!

A quote from the 19th century regarding the jihad, worth digesting today:

"When I am the weaker, I ask you for my freedom, because that is your principle; but when I am the stronger, I take away your freedom, because that is my principle."

-- Louis Veuillot

#86 Friend

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#96 Elbud

Someone get Jacko off my tube!

OK kid, I'll help - with the palms of your hands, strike both of his ears at the same time...that should get him off your 'tube'. ;-)

This article is being discussed on Medved right now. LGF got a hat tip.

Charles, I thought we had 12 months of Jihad, not just one...

[Link: www.faithfreedom.org...] Background information on why terrorist attacks happen.

I geuss we won't be getting any more news on Fox for awhile, they are in full tabloid mode with that freak of nature...

Anyone have a good, handy, anti-idiotarian link regarding the treatment of Lindh, Padilla and other WOT detainees? I'm in the middle of a debate with a friend who thinks this is the worst thing ever, un-American, nothing justifies this, etc.

#99 andrew

LMAO !! Talk about putting your foot in your mouth.

#104 OR

Ask him/her about the treatment. If it's so bad, make him/her show the evidence of maltreatment.

OT: Kaufman, British Jew, suggests invasion of Israel

#99 Andrew:

Thanks! It worked!

Phew!

#106 Elbud
Anytime :-)

# 103 Occasional Reader:

I'm in the middle of a debate with a friend who thinks this is the worst thing ever, un-American, nothing justifies this, etc.

Ask you friend what he thought of Lincoln as president. He suspended habeus corpus during the Civil War. Now we're in a new and different type of war. We survived then, and we'll survive now. I guess handwringing is just, you know, so in vogue.

Lets get out of notebooks people and COMPARE AND CONTRAST what is to be done in the Holiday Time, the MOST important of Holidays in: Christianity, Judiasm, and Islam. Hellooo..is something radically WRONG with ONE of these belief systems? Sheesh..double sheesh.

For Gawd Sakes...

#103 OR

this is the worst thing ever, un-American, nothing justifies this, etc.

FDR - internment camps for Japanese-Americans, press-censorship, maltreatment (by today's standards) of POWs, terror-bombing of cities, etc, etc.

What does she think about WW2?

OT, but I'm now seeing headlines about 100,000 people making it out to protest Bush in London. Does anyone know if these numbers are real or exaggerated?

#34 spacetuna,

Yes, I am that Studebaker Hawk, who achieved a decisive 'Arab' victory over Billy the Mountain and his hideous girlfriend Ethel.

I was wondering if anyone would pick up on it. Now, I wonder no more.

# 109 Leah:

Sheesh..double sheesh.

And bakhsheesh!

{ta-da-boom}

#103 Occasional Reader

Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War Article 4 of this defines who is a POW. I believe the US used this to decide that the Non-US citizens we are holding are not POWs

Hope this helps

Colt and Rick Z: thanks, although I've basically been down the paths both of you suggested with my friend. He continues to insist that, well, that was all different. I recall reading a couple of fairly eloquent and fact-chocked pieces in NRO on the subject, but didn't save the links. I thought some of y'all might have them handy.

#103 OR

Not much you can do, IMHO. I prosecuted a raging email debate over the war with a socialist friend. One of the smartest people I know, and quite well educated. Been there, done that.

Your friend's whining boils down to the same old lefty mantra: If we've ever been wrong, that's evidence that we can never be right. If we can't help everyone, we shouldn't presume to help anyone.

Just a long-winded way of saying that you can't reason with the unreasonable.

(#115) OR

This might help (found through the NRO search function):

Citizen Padilla:

Jose Padilla, a.k.a. Abdullah al-Muhajir, supposedly plotted to build and detonate a radiological "dirty bomb." He is a U.S. citizen. Yet he's being detained by the military — indefinitely, without seeing an attorney, even though he hasn't been charged with any crime. Yaser Esam Hamdi is also a U.S. citizen. He, too, is being detained by the military — indefinitely, without seeing an attorney, even though he hasn't been charged with any crime. Meanwhile, Zacarias Moussaoui, purportedly the 20th hijacker, is not a U.S. citizen. Neither is Richard Reid, the alleged shoe bomber. Both have attorneys. Both have been charged before federal civilian courts.

What gives? Four men: two citizens and two non-citizens. Is it possible that constitutional rights — like habeas corpus, which requires the government to justify continued detentions, and the Sixth Amendment, which assures a speedy and public jury trial with assistance of counsel — can be denied to citizens yet extended to non-citizens?

Etc...

#115 Occasional Reader

"Different"? Was it somehow more American to incinerate thousands of civilians sixty years ago?

Take a look at this. Hope it helps.

OT- Darn it. I knew I should have gone to london to protest. Wanna be socialist but is a rich and slovenly capitalist says what ?

You know, we really are a pathetically decadent society. Right now, our president is on a State visit to the UK: Thousands of stinky hippies are seething in the streets of London, desperately trying to topple 30lb. papier mache effigies, throwing temper tantrums and copious amounts of red paint, and Pink Tanks are rolling through the streets, while the Leader of the Free World™ is being wined and dined by the Second Most Powerful People in the World™ (and most likely having a f-cking blast); jihadis are sploding themselves, fellow Muslims, and the occasional Westerner in Turkey (twice today) and Iraq. The Mad Mullahs of Iran are giving us all the nuclear finger and the EU is giving them thanks. North Koreans are eating each other. And we're still in the middle of a freakin War.

And what is on all three of our 24/7 news channels?

Slow-mo of Michael's hair blowing gently in the wind as he gets out of the car and splays his plastic-cuffed hands.

I stopped laughing about this an hour ago and now I'm just disgusted. JUST SAY NO TO LACI KOBE & JACKO

#110 Colt et al

Add another one.

After the British Surrender at Yorktown, George Washington allowed all British prisoners released to their authorities. On the other hand, he had a good number or the colonists who fought for the British hung on the spot.

A little known, not talked about tidbit, about the father of our country.

#115 Occasional Reader

It's fairly common for a nation to restrict certain civil liberties during a time of war. Standards for treason are lowered, certain press releases are censored, etc.

One should not judge a nation by its restriction of civil liberties during wartime, but rather, during peacetime.

This has been the unwritten policy of the US pretty much since its inception.

(#120) Tasty Beverage

I know. It's sad, huh? It's all about ratings, not actual news.

But if the media's going to ignore the LLL rally - or only give it the relatively little time it deserves - that's fine by me.

#95 humanist

I wonder if at Gitmo, they talk about InfidelFidel.

Gee let's take a look our our RoP(MA) anc compare it to other show worship the same God (*snort* yeah sure)
Islam...

"Jihad for the sake of Allah and fighting against the enemies of Allah is the peak of Islam and the greatest observance of the commandments and good deeds.

Christianity...

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. John 15:13

Judaism...

LORD [is] my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou [art] with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

#103 OR, I have to second 116 brianstein's comment. There is no point. If they refuse to listen or actually THINK about your first or second line of comment, then NOTHING will change their minds from what they already "know".

Occasional reader - serisouly - your friend is not alone in his beliefs. Ive found the best thing to do is to just give in. Tell him that you sincerely believe that terrorists and murderers shouldnt be protected against, that there is no difference between someone killed during a battle or during an arest, and murdering people during a suicide bombing.. that there is no difference between killing during combat and killing during an airline bombing.

Tell him hes right, the terrorists should be released. If nothing else it will shut him up. Dont bother trying to argue with him. Just protect your self, and vote against his beliefs. Its much easier to argue with a vote to protect yourself than it is to argue with these loons.

Remember - you are right, so if these 'people' are released, hell eventually have to eat crow, and eat crow at the death of real people, that supposedly matter to him.

I just cant bear to read that http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=old& sect;ion=current&issue=2003-11-22&id=3761 in the spectator.. ack.

#94 Ralph

I'm astonished State allowed a transcript of that hearing to be released. Er -- actually, I'm astonished State allows that committee to operate.

#105 Colt

I hate that f*cking putz. Kaufman, like Judt and others, is terrified of being tarred and feathered (or worse) for being Jewish so he never misses an opportunity to criticize Israel. I wonder how he would feel if the UK were invaded for all of its violations of international law.

Non Michael news, encouragement for the day...

RIP Ford, and Engineer, Thanks!

Hi everyone. I could use some help. I was just handed a project with a deadline and don't have the time to rip appart indymedia posters' rantings. He calls himself theTroll, and lives up to the name.

You can actually visualize him spitting on the monitor as you read his stuff. His grammer and spelling is worse than mine (which is really saying something).

check it out here

Please help put this creature in his place. When he is not insulting Jews he refers to Christianity as a cult.

#123 SoCalJustice

Hell yeah, it's sad. I'd be less irritated if they'd at least throw me a bone with a "news roundup" type of thing, giving a snippet of the events of the day. They're not even going to commercial. I actually thought the coverage of the protests was funny--they have to show the protesters (to be fair and all, you know, because their antics are just as important as blah blah) if they're going to show any footage of Bush and Blair speaking, and that's what I want to see.

And if you're in SoCal right now, you have my sympathy. You, my friend, are in the belly of the beast.

Isn't there a single Lizardoid Minion in London who went down to watch the stinky hippies? (Or did you guys take the jihadi warnings seriously?) Our media is holding us hostage to an alleged child molester. Seriously. What's on the news Over There? Sky? The *spit* Beeb? Help us.

Way OT (and no, I don't have a link) This is from a few years ago, but since I saw many questions above about Ramadan, I just thought I would dig it out and pot it.

The Night Before Ramadan
by: Mullah Mohammed Omar

'Twas the night before Ramadan,
And all through the cave
Not a creature was stirring;
It felt like a grave.

The turbans were hung by the firepit with care,
In hopes that the Air Force would not soon be there.
The soldiers were restless without any beds,
While visions of air strikes flashed in their heads.

Osama in his burkha and I in my goatskin cap,
Had just settled down for a cold, barren winter's nap,
When out on the ledge there arose such a clatter,
I grabbed my Kalashnikov to see what was the matter.

Away from the racket I ran like a girl,
Tripped over a goat; into a ball I did curl.
The moon shone down on the new-fallen snow
And lit up the valley with an ominous glow,

When, what to my one good eye should appear,
But a dozen Apaches, and tanks in the rear,
And their leader, so fearless, his troops he did push,
I knew in an instant it must be George Bush.

More rapid than eagles his forces they came,
And they whistled, and shouted, and called out our names;
"Now Omar! Osama! Muhammad! Abdul! We come for you now; we've taken Kabul! To the top of the cliffs! To the back of their caves! When you chose this war, you dug your own graves!"

As the dry leaves that before the assault choppers fly,
When they meet with an obstacle, light up the sky,
So up to the ledge his forces they flew
With full magazines, and flamethrowers too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard with a thud
The explosions of Tomahawks; not one was a dud.
As I chambered my rifle, and was turning around,
Osama was there, disguised in a gown.

He was dressed all in drag, from his head to his toes,
And he said he would flee while I held off his foes;
A bundle of money he had stuffed in his pack,
He said "I'm going to Baghdad and I'm not looking back!"

His eyes were all glassy; he trembled with fear;
The American bombs, they rang in his ears.
He saddled his goat, then turned tail and fled,
But a Marine Corps sniper got him in the head.

I watched with cold fear as his body did slump;
The goat threw him off; he fell with a thump.
And so, there I stood, my plans all destroyed,
About to suffer a fate I could not avoid;
I dropped to my knees; asked Allah for help,
His voice boomed in my ears, "You ignorant whelp!
I gave you the Bible, the Torah and Koran,
But you were too arrogant to understand,
I told you to honor your neighbors and wives;
Not to enslave them, or degrade their lives!

You invoke My name to sanction your deeds,
But you are the last thing that this world needs.
And so, I'll send you and bin Laden to Hell."
The last words I heard, as the bombs fell,
Were from George Bush himself as he mounted the wall,
"One nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all!"

OT:

Picture of the Michael Jackson police chase a la OJ!

Coming to Court T.V. soon!

#133 Tasty Beverage 11/20/2003 01:23PM PST

Seriously. What's on the news Over There? Sky? The *spit* Beeb? Help us.

Go to

#125 NTropy

The real test: Does Islam have an equivalent of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you?"

Seems to me their "equivalent" is "kill the infidel if he won't convert."

GOOD..compare and contrast NTrophy. Seriously, in word and DEED this last of the "Abrahamic" religions is )(**()())+) ...dont have the right words. Maybe..a polite word is Islam is: LACKING...something.

#136 kayawanee

Go to Drudge Report, then scroll down to the bottom. On the bottom left are all the UK news sources on line such as Telegraph, Al-Guardian, Independent. If you want Al-Reuters, you can find all of the Reuters news sources on the far right.

LOL I guess I sounded ignorant. No, trust me, I go to many news websites every day. What I meant was, to the British minions, What's on the TELLY? Real news or all-Jacko insanity?

It isnt our most important Holiday..BUT ..I ask myself--SELF...what am I gonna do for Channukah? Will I...kill others? Is that how Im going to "celebrate" my Holiday? Nope Im gonna remember the attack on ancient Israel and how a very few stood off the many and Im gonna fry some potatoes (I cant get those lakas right for some reason) and Im gonna eat some Choclate Gelt...and Im gonna twirl a dradyl if I get one...And thats gonna be that for MY HOLIDAY.

Then Im gonna go out and get some HOLIDAY Cards..and mail some of them to both my Jewish and Christian Friends...And then Im gonna go onto Christmas and enjoy the part of another Holiday that I can.

Interesting: Kaus on Will
[Link: slate.msn.com...]

Really OT - Moon landing hoax - heres proof

Sorry, not trying to derail the thread but it was the first time I laughed at something from idjitmedia. (not counting laughing at them)

Okay, I guess it's cool to do this in England as a sign of protest, but has anyone in that picture ever wondered about the sacrifice that these Americans have made for their Commonwealth.

I know that most Britons are very supportive. But these people burning the Flag need a lesson in history.

I have to hand it to Karl Rove. Getting Michael Jackson arrested less than a year before the presidential election is a stroke of genius for the re-election of George W. Bush.

When it comes to news coverage, the 24-hour news networks, major newspapers, local stations--everyone--will be focused on that. Who's going to pay attention to the whiny Democrats and their complaints about Iraq (especially since the economy is improving)--when the Michael Jackson trial is going on? Talk about a feeding frenzy!

A year from now as people are getting ready for Thanksgiving and Christmas, they're going to pause and say, "Wasn't there supposed to be an election or something this year? Oh, well."

Don't know how Rove pulled it off, but it's brilliant.

Charles Matthews via [Link: www.opinionjournal.com...]

...My first link should go to the lunatics burning the American Flag at Trafalger Square. If you follow the original link and go through the slide show you should find the right picture. Sorry 'bout that

#142 Right Wing Conspirator

You are absolutly correct it is really funny.

Who put the bomb in the
Bomb-shu-wom-shu-wom?
Who put the Ram in the
Ram-a-dan-a-ding-dong?
Who the "P"
In the R-O-P-M-A?
Who put the in
In the in-in-in-fidel?
Who was that Jew?
They'll blame it all on you.
Cuz Islam never takes the blame at all.

#145 John Gibbon

Thanks a lot for that second link. I have never seen this picture before.
Truly moving. G*d bless those that defend freedom.

@126 Rayra et al those links you've got in favourites :)

Oh yes, they will change their minds at the very last fatalistic nano second as they are staring death in the face.

Ed Moran, Abu Voice of Iceland's Love Child (#89)

You wrote:

"Tis a shame Bombadon is only 28 days long.

Must be a Mossad plot. Like making February "Black History Month".

I think it was the Mossad's fault I couldn't get any in high school.

Man, sometimes (often!) you are very funny!

;-)

Jamie Irons

OT

More problems in the Jackson family. Who knew?

#142 Right Wing Conspirator

You may laugh (as do I) but last Sunday night, the CBC aired a documentary purporting to cast doubt on the moon landing. According to this British-made doc, NASA, using the assistance of Dr. Strangelove director Stanley Kubrick, connived to bamboozle the world by fabricating the moon landing. The only reason I can think of for why this urban (actually, space) legend is re-emerging now is to cast doubt on of the U.S.'s foremost achievments. Because everyone knows we can't trust those Americans, especially that bastard, George W. Bush.
/sarcasm last sentence

OT (Well, maybe not)

Grim Details From Turkey's Bloody Day

"We knew it was a bomb when an arm came flying through the window," said a doctor at a clinic near HSBC, the world's second largest bank, which is based in London.

"Then I looked for my friends, I saw four of the other cleaners dead; two of them were husband and wife."

Is the "Allah" referred to by this radical Islamist magazine the same Allah referred to in the Koran?

The Creator. In the Name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful. Praise be to Allah, the Creator of heaven and earth! He sends forth the angels as His messengers, with two, three or four pairs of wings. He multiplies His creatures according to His will. Allah has power over all things.

-- The Koran, 35:1

Bearing arms and Jihad for the sake of Allah during the month of Ramadan is empowering Allah

--Sawt Al-Jihad, a biweekly magazine affiliated with Al-Qa'ida

The Allah in the Koran "has power over all things", and is "the Compassionate, the Merciful". The allah-pretender worshipped by the Sawt Al-Jihad author needs empowering by humans, and deals mainly in humans bearing arms and carrying out warfare during the month of Ramadan.

The radical Islamists may be worshippers of hiraba-allah, the god of terrorism, a mixture of the devil and mars, and some others, who, by the way, also is a wimpy pimp who operates a Great Whorehouse in the Sky ( to give splodeydopes their reward). I don't see how any self-respecting Muslim can pretend that hiraba-allah is the same as the Allah of the Koran.

So these radical Islamists are polytheists after all, and according to Wahhabi doctrine they should be executed. Or else, they are making fun of Allah, ridiculing Allah, and are therefore apostates, and should be executed.

The allah

#152 scaramouche

Obviously, Prescott Bush had something to do with it. Or the Skull and Bones. Question I always ask them is, that, if we were in a race with our sworn enemies to be the first one to land, how come the Soviets have never brought forth any evidence. Usually stumps them long enough for me to get away from the nut.

#145 RWC

Funny you should pick out that picture of all:

1) on the left side, on the walkway along the beach is where they filmed the opening and closing scenes of 'Saving Private Ryan'

2) My good buddy and I were at that cemetery on the 50th Anniversery of D-Day. We watched the sun set in the west from the main colonnade. Unfortunately, we had to endure a speech from our Commander in Chief that day. We thought it a minor sacrifice on our part so that we could honor the others buried there...

...And the Commander in Chief on that day,...william jefferson clinton...

Melanie fisks Kaufman

re #154, strike the last two words, "the Allah". Sorry.

SoCalJustice (#151)

I'm speechless! Seriously, who knew?

Re the Istanbul bombings- A co worker is fromTurkey- Muslim but has been in the States for 25 years, completely westernized, secular beer drinking suburban soccer dad. We discussed the bombings briefly. He immediately and strenously said it was the Kurds. No mention of Al Qaeda. It sounded just like the Saudi reaction to Riyadh bombing- "it was the Jooos."

#156 John Gibbon

...And the Commander in Chief on that day,...william jefferson clinton...

:-(

But I am sure it was just a miniscule annoyance easily set aside for the fact that you were there on the 50th. Been looking at the rest of the pictures, like I said earlier, truly moving. Thanks again.

Way OT - (which way will she go, joe?)

The IDF has dismantled many of its largest army bases in the Jordan Valley over the past months. As a result, neighboring Arab residents have begun to move in, use the land for farming and steal the equipment remaining at the sites.

Defense Minister Sha’ul Mofaz has called a special meeting to discuss the matter after receiving a request from Jewish residents of towns in the Jordan Valley to remedy the situation. The residents are concerned about the reduction in IDF presence in the region.

Arutz-7’s Haggai Huberman reports that the most serious dismantling took place in the southern Jordan Valley, near the Jewish communities of Yitav and Niran. It took place in recent weeks and had been one of the largest IDF bases in the region. Another large base was dismantled a number of months ago.

Following the evacuations, Arabs began to plant on the sites and surrounding training areas located around Wadi Oudja. The entire Oudja region, from Wadi Yitav until the border of PA-controlled Jericho, has now been transformed into a large Palestinian settlement, slowly filling with buildings, tin huts and tents.

IDF’s ‘Gadi’ base has already been dismantled, the last remaining structured destroyed this past month.

The Jordan Valley residents are very suspicious that the continued dismantling of IDF bases in the northern and central Jordan Valley as well, will lead to complete Arab authority over all of the vacant areas and training facilities.

The decision to remove the army bases was made during the Barak administration, but implemented by the IDF only recently. Only after the evacuations had begun were Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz notified. Mofaz has called a meeting to discuss the matter, scheduled to take place today (Thursday). Mofaz may also cancel the destruction of unauthorized outposts throughout Yesha (Judea, Samaria and Gaza).

John Gibbon (#145)

My first link should go to the lunatics burning the American Flag at Trafalger Square.

I think this is it, yes?

OT Here's an eyewitness report w/pictures on the march in London:

Excerpt

By the time they snaked their way onto Waterloo Bridge, they had almost become engulfed in silence. It was beginning to resemble a long forced march to a labour camp and the audible attempt at rousing another chant succumbed to the collective necrosis ("Bush...Blair...Lousy Hair"). I decided to take my leave at that point. Gone was all the snarling nihlism and revolutionary bravura I had witnessed back in February. All the remained now was a long trail of the incoherent, the incomprehensible, the dysfunctional and the faintly repulsive. This was not so much a demonstration as a wave of human spam.
[Link: www.samizdata.net...]

Re: - #162 Tiburon

For locating Niran and Yativ one can search this map, - (look generally east of Jerusalem, and albeit though this map is a deceptive, inflamatory and exaggerated Israeli Leftist creation, it's partially accurate...after all, I challenge anyone to give me data on the Settler Community of "Lucifer" (see down towards Arad) (but hey, if it exists, I'm a-willin' to stake claim! Kewl! - , as would be Iron Fist - I suspect! - Heck, shades of "High Plains Drifter"! Who could resist!)) nice slide and data show on Gaza, too...do the whole thing if you haven't...

#163 ZuluBaBy

Yes, that be the photo of the offenders! Thanks for hunting down the proper link.

Not to make fun, but you write like you talk I'm sure. The many SA I've met will frequently end their sentences with a pause then a 'YES' in a questioning tone. More than anything its just plain cute, especially when the SA is a woman.

take care...

#85: Oskar der Krautsch

Hmmm. I wonder how you say "Oh, I looove trash!" in German?

Ich liebe Müll.

I hear they want to program the trash bins to utter that sentence in case a skinhead passes, too ;)

OT

clever band names...

John Gibbon, LOL. My best friend always tells me that in my e-mails she can "hear" me :-)

OT:

Anyone in the UK watching the BBC's Question Time right now? They've really cleaned up their act since the post-9/11 travesty. It's gone totally right-wing. With the exception of Vanessa Redgrave, who is blatantly mixed-up (drunk?) and is making a fool of herself.

Correction to the correction: - #162, #165

That's of course "Yitav", not Yativ...anyway, it's all the same. Give it away, quickly as possible, under cover of night.

Later, we'll work on giving away Rehov Dizengoff. Maybe we can persuade Israelis to 'drink' and be 'blotto', then we can do it! ...(which despite near a million Russians, they still can't quite manage...)

Damn those Jews! They drink and then get even MORE insufferable (and hyperalert!)! must be that Purim Thing, (y'know, the bloody hamentachen)

Tomorrow is Friday Ramadan. Think they're finished, yet? Gotta wonder, eh?

OT:

To continue, watch the show live here.

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Mansoor Ijaz on Fox's Brit Hume reported that Bin Laden and Zwahiri (sp?) have been spotted in Iran. Apparently in some disguise, like weekend at Bernie's, since he's probably still dead.

Charles, you got to post a before and after of this. Please :-) almost forgot my manners

The dreaded pink panzer is no more :-(

Slightly OT - MAJOR BARF ALERT - an article penned by that self hating Jewish anti Semite Gerald kaufman of the Labour Party of the U.K. in The Spectator Why not Invade Israel?

May Kaufman burn forever in eternity!

Ijaz claims his sources are both unimpeachable or unempecable. He also claims that AQ plans to reinfiltrate Afganistan during the winter. Both the current location and the future plans aare supposed to be supported by Iran in an attempt to kill the democracy movement. Ijaz claims that he has his info from 'security' insider. He's been pretty spot on in the past.

Correction - Kaufman got me so angry I meant to say may he burn forever in Hell!

I thought the pink tank was supposed to be cute... Those anarchists have no compassion.

#179 veebee

I think it was probably the little girl in the tank finally got fed up with her folks using her as a tool in their idiotic march and pushed it in. :-)

#174,

Are those morons really burning British passports? Why? WTF is that supposed to prove? Do these idiots even have a clue what they think they're protesting or do they just make it up as they go along? Dig the bottom of the page where somebody is whining about how mean it was to burn the "love" tank.

Right Wing Conspirator

Now, that's what I call feminism!

Whereas things look pretty artsy in the London protests, they are getting bloody violent down in Miami:

Free Trade protests

#181 Honorary Jewish Atomic Redneck

I know if I was a constable over there I would hang out for a while and remember who pitched their passport into the fire.
Constable - Passport and ID please
DA1 - Hey pig, you bloody seen me toss it into the fire
Constable - So what you are saying is that you don't have it. :-)
Sheer joy emanating from the face of the constable.

Did you see the comment there that compared a tank to a "dark-side appropriation of the womb." LOL.

The depravity of Islam seems to know no bounds. Atleast the Germans did not deliberately target children and again German attacks had some strategic purpose. With Islam there is no such, except to intimidate the non-muslim world to convert to Islam. Their increasingly violent attacks seem to indicate a desperation that the end may be near for Islam.

On e thing good though, large numbers of muslims are beginning to leave Islam. The only reason that many are in it is that they are deadly afraid to leave.

Apropos of this why are there no support mechanisms in the West for ex-muslims. There should be, just as there are for battered women etc. But we are unable to do so as we have designated islam as the RoP. And so it is, that what seemed to be a harmless political expedient, actually affects policy and the safety of possibly thousands of muslims in the West, who would like nothing better then to get the hell out.

#185 DP

One thing good though, large numbers of muslims are beginning to leave Islam.

I've read other posters here say the same thing. Have you got any links to solid evidence of that? I would imagine it is hard to come by as apostasy is punishable by death in Islam so I don't think many ex-Muslims would be advertising their conversion for surveys.

So when exactly does this blood-soaked "holy" month of Ramadan end?

#175: Iron Fist

What pisses me off is that they keep calling these moonbats "anti-war". Show me where they have said word one against the terrorists in Iraq or Israel. Did the moonbat march in Britain take a moment of silence for the dead in Istanbul?

Show me their criticism (and mass demonstrations) of Russia's brutal warfare in Chechnya. Show me the vilification and demonization of Putin.

Show me their criticism (and mass demonstrations) of China's Human rights abuse, and of China's threats to Taiwan. Show me the vilification and demonization of Hu.

Show me their criticism (and mass demonstrations) of Columbia's terror gangs. Show me the vilification and demonization of FARC.

Show me their criticism (and mass demonstrations) of Pakistan's terror gangs in India. Show me the vilification and demonization of Musharaf.

etc. etc.

-> These people are neither anti-war nor pacifist. These people are anti-America and anti-Israel, because they represent freedom, which these "pacifists" see as the greatest threats. One day, their double standards would be rammed down their throat in combination with the Koran, if the defenders of freedom were not there. That is the biggest irony: that the West defends even people who hate it. Just like children.

#187 Neo_Con

Bombadan is slated to end Nov. 25. Four more days of fasting and bombs.

#189 Tasty Beverage

Bombadan is slated to end Nov. 25. Four more days of fasting and bombs.

That's right. And then comes another 30 days of bombs, the month of Shawwal.

It didn't begin with Ramadan, and it won't end with Ramadan.

Hallo,

we have a great website in Germany against Islam.

But in Germany is it not allowed to tell anything aganinst other religion. So we have the problem with the law.

Have anyone an idea what we can do?
---
Nice link:
[Link: www.algathafi.org...]

Why tells Bush the german, that Turkey is part of europa ???

#190 James

That's right. And then comes another 30 days of bombs, the month of Shawwal.

And then 45 more weeks of bombings and violence in honor of Mosucsass.

#192 triple X, if you used an American web host (like liquit2k.net), you are infinitely more difficult to prosecute.

Good luck, and welcome to the LGF group.

#192 Herr xxx

Have anyone an idea what we can do?

Just quote the Koran without comment. Or the comment should be: "Isn't this interesting"!

Why tells Bush the german, that Turkey is part of europa ???

Turkey has been a member of NATO for 40 years. They are a part of Europe.

Come on you International lawyers out there..Tell xxx how to parse the sit. How to talk about being against Terrorists without making it specific to Islam as such. It isn't really..Its just that most of the Terrorists happen to be Islamic. I dont see many Eskimos out there blowing up Synagoges...Certainly Zoroastrian and Bahi Clerics aren't making THEIR sermons or talks just an excuse to exhort their followers to kill Americans and other Westerners and the ever popular Jooosss. VET it for him. Tell him how to say how much he hates VIOLENCE without ending up in a German Klink.

XXX..Just in case you ought to know that people here dont want ANY targeting of Turks in Germany. That isnt nice either...If they arent doing anything but just makin a living there, not at all connected in ANY way to bad stuff..they arent responsible and need to left alone to live their lives.

I couldnt call my self a Jew IF I didnt say this.

#192: xxx

Hi, I'm from Germany too. If you want, you can visit my homepage and write me an email (adress can be found on the site), I may have some interesting info for you.

#192 xxx

From the same web site: Isratine?

Gimme a break!

#198 Henry S.

I think xxx wants us to read that particular article about Turkey being the gateway to Europe for little bin Laden clones. Although the website in question is the Official Site of Muammar Gadafi, so the "Isratine" article didn't surprise me. In fact, that site is comedy gold! Read a few more of the leader's "pronouncements". The one about 9/11 and terrorism is truly bizarre, and not just because the person who wrote it is NOT fluent. It's like reading a continuous Babelfish translation.

Someone should do a graph of terrorist attacks indicating which Muslim month each of them occurred in.

We've got a feeling that attacks have increased during Ramadan, but having a nice-looking graph does wonders. Remember the graph dissident Frenchman (I think) did of who armed Saddam?

#187 Neo_Con 11/20/2003 04:10PM PST
So when exactly does this blood-soaked "holy" month of Ramadan end?

~30mins after the Western Nookleer Powers decide 'Enough' and push The Button
/channeling bigel (and a little teeny tiny but growing portion of my own id)

A couple of questions related to the Istanbul bombings:
Since 9-11 a lot of folks have believed more attacks in the continental US were inevitable if not imminent. Al Qaeda (either a coherent organized group, or just a bunch of crazies who kill Muslims and infidels indiscriminately) has been active overseas (Bali, Israel, Riyadh, Iraq, Turkey) but not in the US or UK. Are they frightened by the US/UK response to 9-11 (Afghanistan, Iraq, next?) Have they refocused their prime targets to apostate Muslim regimes? Is it too hard to organize attacks in the US, or have we caught too many domestic Islamofascists (that darn repressive Bushitler/ Cheney/ Halliburton/ Ashcroft regime!) Or have they just not gotten around to us?
I know it’s futile to try to get in the head of Islamofascists but it just seems curious.
Second point- there have been lots of warnings on the net the last week about another big attack here; UK is on high alert (I wonder if there is more reason than just the Bush visit.) Were there similar warnings about the Istanbul bombs?
Thoughts or comments, anyone?

>Turkey has been a member of NATO for 40 years.
>They are a part of Europe.

Sorry, but you don't live in Germany. Why do you open your borders to mexico, they are a part of Amerika?

#174 Right Wing Conspirator

From the comments section of your link:

That pink love tank took several weeks of work by that woman who designed it. What sort of stupid, vandalistic, idiots, in a moment of Bush-stylee hysteria put a match to it and destroyed it in a matter of minutes

Stupid, vandalistic idiots? What? I did not see any stupid, vandalistic idiots at these protests. Did any of you? This idiot was disturbed by the very nature of these trolls.

It was a wonderful turning inside out of the death cult icon of the Tank (which is itself a kind of Dark-side appropriation of the womb).

LOL!!!

Respect to the woman who made it

Idioten

Perhaps next time you should not make a tank out of paper and wood. It's less likely to burn.

#204 RIP Ford

"Perhaps next time you should not make a tank out of paper and wood. It's less likely to burn."

Do you reckon thats why they make the real ones out of metal?

/moonbat emulation

Hansy: Reading your page. This is not something that you can read in a sec. Need to study it.

Hans..its simple to me. Probably not so simple BUT.. this is how I see it..Everyone knows the quality of the German mind and work ethic. Isnt anything you all cant do if you put your mind to it. Almost always been that way. To get rid of the so called guilt..all Germans have to do is admit what happened and NOT DO IT AGAIN and go on with their excellent business. That would be the END of it. Period.

Lots other things to DO and accomplish for Germany in the World other than finding yet another way to trash Jews. Germany can use its considerable talents to be a force for GOOD..if they want to. The world would CHEER if Germany itself put a stop to what might be growing in their midst. Time is limited in everyones existance..Why waste time and effort on hating Jooosss again. Geeze.

***Im just starting to hear stuff I dont like once again. Muted..but its there.

Thanks for people like YOU. Heres hoping more and more come to your understanding.

France? Shoot..I dont get them at all...Another excellent achieveing group that wastes their energy on Hating Jooosss. Boy youd think they would have learned by now how COUNTERPRODUCTIVE excessive Jew Hate can be.

Check out Islam's powerful message of love and tolerance:

[Link: www.faithfreedom.org...]

# 170 james

Yes i saw Qustion Time.

Redgrave was on something.

Drunk or sober Red always talks shit.

Red was on another show with her good buddie Michael Moore.

What meeting of great minds.

BUSH AKBAR

#209 Gazza

Succinct and to the point! :-)

Why you should read the Washington Times:

Today's front page article.

Islamists mark holy month with bombings

Think you'll ever see the NYTimes print this?

This year's Ramadan has left a bloody trail of death in Islamic countries worldwide.

#211 Geepers

When I see the header read "Muslims mark holy month with bombings", I'll know we're making progress on the WoT (misnomer).

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You gotta love this header from Haaretz:

18:24Ex-Iranian president Rafsanjani says America mistaken for backing Israel instead of supporting Middle Eastern states (AP)

Yeah, now that we've got the UK, France, and Germany in our pockets, why don't you guys get smart and get with the program?

Reminds me of an interview Mike Wallace did a few years ago with Hamas and one of the killers said to Wallace: America should side with Muslims; the Jews have a black future. It was chilling.

"...among them the anniversary of the crossing of [the Suez Canal] on the 10th of the month of Ramadan [in 1973]. This [was] the Jihad battle and victory"

...and led directly to the ASS KICKING administered by the People of the Book, who could have held the Canal to this day if they had had a mind to. *Shakes head*. This is the essence of true romance. A laserlike focus avoiding the obvious/truly true.

Harold Pinter recently wrote an open letter to President Bush inviting him to drink a cup of blood presumably as a toast to the war in Iraq. I must have missed the open letter he surely must have written to Sadam Hussein after he used poison gas on his own people. Did he also write an open letter regarding the thousands who were tortured and subsequently murdered in the killing fields of Iraq?

Or is castigation only used by the left in reference to those trying to better the world?

Talk about hypocrisy