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Tapes of the Portland Seven

Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 9:01:13 am PST

Prosecuters in the trial of the Portland Seven, an Islamic jihad group that included software engineer Maher “Mike” Hawash, have released some of the hundreds of recorded conversations between members of the group—and it’s a glimpse into a horrifying Dark Ages mentality, right here in the United States: Recordings reveal Portland Seven's brutal mindset. (Hat tip: Morgan.)

The conversations ranged from inquiries about bomb making, to talk of cutting the heads off nonbelievers, to a desire to have "real" Muslim wives who would be willing to carry AK-47 assault rifles and be "ready to run and blow something up."

All six of the suspects in custody have pleaded guilty and are awaiting formal sentencing, which judge Robert E. Jones has said will not deviate from the number of years specified in plea agreements.

Prosecutors filed the 23-page memorandum Wednesday that reveals new details about the group that traveled to China in the fall of 2001 in a failed attempt to enter Afghanistan to fight against U.S. troops.

The filing comes ahead of Monday's scheduled sentencings of Jeffrey Leon Battle and Patrice Lumumba Ford, where both men may make public statements for the first time explaining why they attempted to join the Taliban.

Their attorneys have said that their trip was motivated by their religious beliefs that they would have been coming to the aid of fellow Muslims.

Yet, according to the prosecutor's filing, Battle asked about making a bomb in September 2002, after a series of conversations in which he spoke of his consideration and ultimate rejection of committing a terrorist act in the United States.

He had said he wanted to kill hundreds of Jews at a Portland-area synagogue or Jewish school.

In other details revealed in the filing, the group that has come to be known as the Portland Seven - for the seven people indicted in the case - called itself "Katibat Al-Mawt," which federal prosecutors say loosely translates to "Squad of Death."

One Portland Seven member, Ahmed Ibrahim Bilal, had such disdain for Jews that he referred to them as "lampshades," the document states.

Battle told the informant that he wanted a "blade" to cut off the heads of "kaffirs," or unbelievers.

On an Aug. 14, 2002, wiretap recording, Ford and Muhammad Ibrahim Bilal, Ahmed's brother, spoke about wanting to marry Muslim women.

Ford said he wanted to marry a "real" Muslim - not a "fake" American one - who carries an AK-47 assault rifle and is "ready to run and blow something up."

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1 George W  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:05:21am

One point in this article really shows the difference between our cultures.

They want a woman who would carry an AK-47 and "run and blow something up," and us American guys just want a woman who likes NFL football.

2 mal  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:07:01am

[Link: www.melaniephillips.com...]


makes perfect sense

3 Ron  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:08:04am

"Patrice Lumumba" Ford? That's gotta be a joke.

4 dead horse beater  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:08:10am

All Your Portland Are Belong To Us

5 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:13:22am

All the things we come to know about these peaceful and religious and humane persons tell me that this war will last for generations.
It would last much less if they were not protected by the international left and by its branch of US subversives.

6 TargetPractice (Abu Boom Boom)  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:13:42am

A lot of good they'll do. After all, remember that in the Malvo case, his own taped confessions apparently mean nothing, as he was "brainwashed" at the time and not in his "right mind."

But, that point being made, it's good to get a glimpse into the minds of the savages who we're fighting. And I always thought that "Muslim women" were expected to not be seen and not heard. Wouldn't carrying an AK and blowing things up violate shar'a law?

7 Crusade now  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:14:39am

I switched all my money to Swiss francs from pounds on monday as I could feel attack was coming this week. Now the muslims have crissed the rubicon. They have attacked britush target son the suicide bombing fahion - first time - now. The dickheds over at al muhajiorpun said that tthe "covenant of treaty" (some &^%&^ idea in their poisoined minds) didn't apply to muslims from outside the UK - therefore after these istanbul bombings how much easier will it be for Allahbots to detonate themselves in oxford circus??coz that day ios coming...

8 FreakyBoy (Abu Ebber Bin Mello)  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:15:26am
not a "fake" American one -

That reminds me - did anyone see the Victoria Secret TV special?

9 Thom  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:16:10am

#2 mal

Good ol' Elkajim is stinking up the comments over there. For some reason, I don't think he understood her post.

10 Mike G  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:16:16am

One of the things that helps kill off movements like this is showing what a bunch of loser fuckheads they are when they sit around talking big to each other. Nothing has been as effective in minimizing the whole militia movement/Aryan Nations thing as any two seconds of one of them operating his mouth with his mid-two-digit IQ (or better yet, his trailer trash girlfriend doing same). I'd love to see the Daily Show run some of this circle jerk with ongoing commentary from Jon Stewart, nothing would be as effective at destroying their romantic image as heroic fighters for Allah.

11 Judith Gordon  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:17:09am
They want a woman who would carry an AK-47 and "run and blow something up," and us American guys just want a woman who likes NFL football.

*Sigh* Just when I think I have men figured out I read something like this. And here I thought it was all about having both a life companion and sex.

12 David Simon  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:17:23am

#6 Target Practice - I think you're confusing carrying an assault rifle and blowing things up with showing an ankle.

13 ördög  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:17:53am

Tap, tap, tap... yup, my surprise meter indicator does not move a bit.

RoPMA.

14 frag  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:18:35am
Six of the seven have pleaded guilty, and one, Habis Abdulla al Saoub, was killed last month by Pakistani troops in a raid on an al-Qaida encampment

That's better news that I would have expected from Pakistan...give Musharrif some credit for earning (a small fraction of) his billions.

15 sharona  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:20:39am

Right. And where the hell does understanding the root cause behind Hawash, Ford, Bilal ad idiotum help us prevent or avoid another terrorist attack?

That's what I've wanted to ask the Moonbat Minions for quite some time. And yet so many seemingly intelligent people believe that if only we did this, if only we met for diversity seminars and the like, New York, Washington, Bali, Riyadh, Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, and Istanbul need never have happened.

I read the other day that scientists (*wink*wink*) found that banging your head against the wall burns 150 calories per hour. If the media keeps up as it has, I may not gain any wait this holiday season!

16 Josh  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:20:52am

I'll take my hot shows-her-hair-and-legs-in-public girlfriend with a snubby 357 over their ugly overweight barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen hoes with AKs.

I love America.

17 JWarrior  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:20:53am

Called Jews 'lampshades', huh?

I reckon you're going to make a nice arse bitch for some big KKK dude when you get put inside.

18 ploome  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:22:25am

OT, but not really...I recieved this email from a friend

I think the author has taken his case to an extreme, but it is
interesting to see that a Muslim (albeit a non-Arab/Iranian Muslim) is
opposed to more Muslim immigration and his reasoning.


If you would like to send a comment to the author, you may do so c/o the
editorial department (kimberlymills@seattle.pi.com) of the newspaper (
[Link: www.Seattletimes.com...]


Jack

'I am the Muslim to ban more Muslims'


I am the immigrant to end all immigration. While I came from a different
country myself (I am originally from a Muslim minority in Russia), 9/11
had turned me into a staunch foe of any continued immigration. All the
worst Arab terrorists, including the 9/11 hijackers, came from so-called
"friendly" Arab countries, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Many others came by
way of two ostensibly friendly Anglo countries, Britain and Canada,
prompting some in the FBI to nickname them "Londonistan" and
"Canadistan."


I am the Muslim to ban any more Muslims from coming to this country.


Our media's mantra that "the vast majority of Muslims are peace-loving,
law-abiding people" is nothing but politically correct blah, blah, blah.
As a Muslim, I wish it were true, but it is not. Islam has been hijacked
by the Arab and Iranian terrorists and turned into a
suicidal-homicidal-genocidal hate cult which is now spreading like a
plague throughout the Muslim world. The sad truth is that hundreds of
millions have been now infected with this spiritual disease, and at
least half of Muslims arriving to this country are actual or potential
terrorists, terrorist supporters or sympathizers.


Unless and until all Muslim countries are liberated from terrorism as
Afghanistan was, and are transformed into tolerant, civilized,
enlightened societies, not one Muslim should be allowed to our country
on a tourist, student, or any other visa. And if this deprives the
centers of anti-American activism known as college campuses of their
Arab cash cows who pay the whole tuition up front, tough.


We are in a fight for survival, so we better start acting like it.


Ruslan Tokhchukov, Redmond, Washington

19 sharona  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:22:29am

Obviously, I meant "weight".

Aargh. Le prevue est mon ami.

20 dhimmi smits  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:27:35am

it matters not to "Mike's" kufr defenders that he really want to cut off their heads! perfect...

21 Pierre  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:30:16am

While we are joking about the ridiculousness of those stupid silly fuckers lets not forget that many of their MODERATE fans are only adverse to the actual killings of infidels not the results. I have become less and less convinced that Islam is anything other than a good excuse to run over everyone elses territory. If Robert Spencer is correct and I am being convinced of it more and more each passing day the job ahead of us is astounding.

And the most terrible portion of it is its only a matter of time before one of these silly fuckers gets a Nuke and then they will be a whole lot less funny.

My question has always been what happens on the day after a nuke goes off in a Large City...??? Say St. Louis...?? Or New Orleans after arriving in a container ship? Are we prepared for the panic that will ensue? Anyone thinking this through? Anyone???

We are in a war of which many of us dont realize the complete utter possibilty of massive horror.

Have a nice day and remember the Nazis were pretty funny after the war. Not so funny during the war. Lets not laugh at these clowns too hard yet.

Pierre

22 Lumiere  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:30:55am

# 17 JWarrior wrote: "I reckon you're going to make a nice arse bitch for some big KKK dude when you get put inside. "

You're gonna have to revise your thinking a little bit. You're still thinking a Left/ Right dictomy. It isn't. There is almost no difference in thinking about Jews from the Muslim fundmentalist angle or the KKK angle. It's basically the same.

23 frag  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:32:12am

#19

Nous sommes tout votre ami, prévision ou pas !

;)

24 sharona  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:37:10am

Merci beaucoup, frag, lol!

25 Ed Moran: Abu Wore Shorts to Work  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:40:33am

I wish I could get my wife to watch football. I'd be happy if she watched "The History Channel" with me.


I do my share, I watch "Queer Eye" with her occasionally. That is such the one joke show ( gay men have better fashion/design sense than the straight slobs with lumberjack shirts for fashion, beer and dried fruit in the fridge, and year round Christmas lights as interior decorations), that it really only needs to be seen once.

Although, the episode with the Italian American cop, with the black girlfriend. She was quite attractive, and well developed, and dressed to show off her developments. I could watch that episode again.

I try to watch cooking shows on Food TV ( I actually like "Iron Chef", but only if the theme ingredient is something truly awful like angler fish).


Does anybody know if al Q has had any success recruiting American blacks who were converted in prison by Wahhabi chaplains? That is what makes me nervous.

Way OT, I had to go to sleep, but there was a movie on last night with an actor I think was Charlie Chaplain, but he spoke English. There were people who were obviously supposed to be Nazis, except they spoke American English, and had "X" armbands. They saluted each other with the Nazi salute, but said "Heil Henkel".
There was slapstick with Chaplin? splashing paint on them/people being hit with pans because the Nazi-sort of's were painting the "J" word ( but in English ) on windows.

Anybody know what this movie is? And did it predate WW2 ( Such that it would be safe to assume that at some portion of the American public knew about the Nazis and their treatment of the Jews?). If that was Chaplain, was he Jewish?

26 GoatGuy  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:42:51am

I feel so sorry for them. NOT

What do you think about this? I had something of a revelation last evening that goes along this line:

[1] Without the Jews to pillory, the Arab Muslims would have no central jihad meme.

[2] Arab Muslims, regardless of country, do not wish to see a 2 state Palestine. Doing so acknowledges Israel, which violates [1]

[3] Condemmed-other persecution memes dominate human history, so this is neither anything new, nor something that can be addressed rationally.

[4] The only path to reverse or unseat the persecution-is-our-right meme is to amass in a true, large-scale war of philosophical soveriegnty. All of the Arab world needs to arm, train, mobilize, threaten and attack their straw condemmed scapegoat. Then they need to get the poont squashed out of them.

No amount of word-play will arrest the behavior, and no amount of international 'persuasion' will affect the fanatics-on-the-street who are becoming poorer in real terms each day, more overpopulated, less employed, more dispossessed by their own constabulatory.

I foresee a great war coming, as inevitable as the rising of the tides themselves. What endpoint can there be to an impoverished people whose population is growing at 100% per 15 years, whose one international export-of-note is in many countries drying up, and whose radically interpreted religious tenents decry vituperous bigotry, and declare paradise on earth lost due to the infidel? What course of history will prove an alternative to the greatest war yet to come?

And, interestingly, this is not something which is limited (as would be convenient - for it could be countered with investment, handouts, focussed assistance and development) to the poor. The middle-class, the Softare Engineers At Large (not specifically, but as an example) are just as hot-to-trot, ready to persecute, ready to put on the tinsel and checkered scarves, and "be the warrior", just to prove their manhood.

We have a problem, my friends. What will happen as that oil runs out, and the Muslim population continues to double in single-generation periods? Its like a huge closed pot of water at boil - there's only a tiny relief valve, and the pressure cannot continue to build without release. When it explodes, I hope not to be anywhere near the conflagration.

GoatGuy

27 ORD neighbor  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:46:37am

On a more practical note, how come generally at Jewish institutions in many parts of the US security is at uncomfortably low levels at best?

Where is the worldwide conspiracy? Should someone be getting their checks cut off for this?

OT: Greater Chicagoland minions: report here to receive your standard-issue BFG and daily check from LFG regional command headquarters.

28 Seymour Paine  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 7:59:16am

Tell me again about Mike Hogwash's friends at Intel?

29 BookerMatches  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 8:02:30am

All this talk about Jihad and terrorism is getting in the way of the very important Michael Jackson story. And Kobe. And whatever happened to Robert Blake?

Dammit! Inquiring minds want to know!


/sarcasm off

30 MnJoe  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 8:07:59am

Okay, look, I apologize in advance, but...lampshades?

What the hell is that? I've never heard that. If someone called me a lampshade, I would just naturally assume they had seen me at a party one time or another, not that they mistook me for being Jewish.

Slogan: LFG - miss a day, miss a lot

31 Tamar  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 8:08:07am

What's happening to Oregon??? I would have expected this sort of thng in Calif. or Richardson Texas---but PORTLAND???

32 Thom  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 8:10:48am

#25 Ed Moran: Abu Wore Shorts to Work

That's a Charlie Chaplin classic called The Great Dictator.

33 Pierre  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 8:15:25am

Okay, look, I apologize in advance, but...lampshades?

What the hell is that? I've never heard that. If someone called me a lampshade, I would just naturally assume they had seen me at a party one time or another, not that they mistook me for being Jewish

Its what the Nazis did with Jews skin.

Pierre

34 Gary of Carlsbad  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 8:24:11am

Just for the record, I'm glad I have a "fake" American wife.

I wonder if an Islamic Barry Goldwater would have said, "Its ok if my wife is a terrorist - as long as she's home in time to cook me dinner."

35 MnJoe  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 8:33:41am

Pierre - I thought I might regret asking that question, but like I said, I've never heard that. Thanks Pierre, sort of.

36 David Simon  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 8:41:13am

#30 MnJoe - Some Jews in the concentration camps were skinned and the skin was used to make lampshades.

37 Narniaman  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 8:42:15am
What's happening to Oregon??? I would have expected this sort of thng in Calif. or Richardson Texas---but PORTLAND???

Portland is a viciously leftest city, led by Commissar (Mayor) Vera Katz. Osama Bin Ladin or Saddam Hussein would receive a warmer welcome in Portland then the President of the United States.

If I recall rightly, Katz was the first politician to attack John Ashcroft following 9/11 when Ashcroft asked for local police help to track down and interview foreign students.

Because of it's population base Portland dominates the rest of the state in politics. Hence we also have Senator Ron Wyden, probably the only US senator who both played college basketball and was unable to pass his bar exam. Fortunately, he didn't need it, since he was able to make a living as a professional politician.

38 David Simon  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 8:43:37am

#17 JWarrior - Arab supremecists have always been tight with white supremecists. Ideology trumps skin color, I guess.

39 John H  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 8:54:07am

It's too bad these soldiers for Islam didn't make it through China to mix it up with the American infidels in Afghanistan. If they had, they wouldn’t be wasting oxygen in Oregon…or anywhere.

40 lambo  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 9:15:00am

#37 Narniaman

You hit the nail right on the head. I was born and raised in Southern Oregon and moved to Portland about 8 years ago. Portland has the population, hence controls the state. With the exception of Portland, Eugene, and Ashland Oregon is a "red" state. I grew up among lumberjacks that were honest, hardworking people, until the LLL and the Spotted Owl came around.

The only bright spot is that through the LLL leadership of Katz and the current and previous governors Oregon has the highest unemployment in the Nation, and big business in continuing to leave at a steady pace. Give it ten years and Portland will be a land of bike paths, granola bars, street urchins, and unemployed LLL. However we all know it will all be the fault of the vast "right wing conspiracy".

41 eyehatehippies  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 9:20:21am

Here in the US, were tough on teen crime.

Now please pardon the idiotarian-like prose:
Who was Timothy McViegh friends with? Who?
Who told him about da bomb? Who?
Who told him it's the ZOG? Who?
Who told him to kill thousands of kaffar? Who?
Some
Barbaric
A-rabs.

42 JWarrior  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 9:47:39am

#22 Lumiere

I wasn't think from any right/left wing angle tbh. I was just thinking from a 'revenge would be sweet' angle. I chose the KKK because they are all bum bandits that enjoy hurting people of a different origin.


#38 David Simon

Yeah, you are right. The far left and the far right go so far round they smack into each other in the middle.

43 Charles  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 10:19:09am

MnJoe: the 'lampshade' thing refers to Ilsa Koch, the "Bitch of Buchenwald," who collected the skins of Jewish victims of the Nazi death camps and made lampshades and other sick trophies from them:

[Link: motlc.wiesenthal.com...]

44 AK47PUNDIT  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 10:28:34am

Wait a minute, weren't all the Leftist groups proudly proclaiming the innocence of the Portland 7 and how they were poor innocents just being profilied and victimized by Ashcroft's evil Justice department.
Where is their reaction? I'm waiting.

Oh, I get it, no apologies from the LLL, no admission that yet again they were wrong and that these people were in fact guilty as hell, just silence.

Note to all concerned - especially the media that doesn't question the leftists when they make these dumb proclamations - the Left's credibility has long past reached its nadir and it just keeps on falling.

45 Sergio  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 11:25:30am

Will the hundreds of blogs and thousands of vocal individuals who circulated emails and screeched and screamed about "Mike" Hawash now issue mea culpas? Right.
Check google/archives for the many supposedly mainstream blogs that ranted endlessly about how Hawash was being railroaded and the dark reign of John Ashcroft was upon us. Will any of those people read these transcripts, feel shame, and blog accordingly?
Of course not, that would be like asking for fairness from the BBC.

46 Elizabeth  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 11:42:59am

...lampshades, eh? I suppose it's too much to hope that these fine gentlemen get a judge with a name like Goldberg or Bronstein?

47 ytf  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 12:20:58pm
Patrice Lumumba Ford

Where Jihadis shop for the BEST DEALS ON WHEELS. Sorry, couldn't help myself. Sometimes I gotta laugh or I'll cry.

48 ytf  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 12:26:10pm

I know it's probably gauche to comment on my own comment, but I thought of another wrinkle. The Patrice Lumumba Ford Foundation. 'Nuff said.

49 Ed Moran: Abu Voice of Iceland's Love Child  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 12:47:02pm

#32

Than I guess it is safe to say that in 1940 at least some Americans knew about the concentration camps.

50 DCCLXX  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 1:31:27pm

#21 Pierre ...

I'm sure there are contingencies (re: large scale Bio/Chem/Nuke) attack from Islamic source. In the event a large American city is taken out with casualties in excess of 100,000 then expect this. A probable scenario goes realistically something like this:

1) Marshall Law declared in North America, quickly followed by the shutdown of Air traffic worldwide.

2) World economy starts to spin out of control.

3) Within 10 days 500,000 Americans will gather in front of the White House and demand War on Islam.

3) Western Gov'ts worldwide forced to plan emergency food and basic goods distribution to their own citizens.

4) Arab and Muslim countries run out of food. Food riots start.

5) Within 2 weeks , US leadership announces plan to
raise an army of 20 Million soldiers from USA and coalition of willing. This Army to occupy all Islamic states with express purpose of de-nazification and de-militarization and occupation of Oil reserves. NOTE: The kid gloves will come off. Draconian measures will rule.

5) The better part of the next 3 decades of 21st century history will be remembered as the period of Islamic decline and possibly elimination from the annals of Human endeavour.

51 oregonian  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 2:22:54pm

This is about the as good of an admission that Hawash supporters are ever likely to give. It is pitiful but it shows that they realize the truth at least partially. From the Free Mike Hawash website.

Aug 6: Mike pled guilty today to one count of his three-count indictment. He admitted attempting to enter Afghanistan with members of the "Portland 6". We hope that justice has been served, and our focus now shifts to support for Mike's family in this difficult time.

It is interesting that Mike was a born in Palestine. From his biography:

Born Maher Hawash in Nablus, Palestine in 1964, he is known as Mike in the United States. He has been a resident of the United States for 20 years, and a U.S. citizen for more than 15 years. Hawash has lived in or around Hillsboro, OR since 1992.

Mike is the third child in a family of six children. Mike’s family was exiled from the Palestinian Territory by the Israeli government in the early 1970s. Like many Palestinians, Hawash carried a Jordanian passport before he acquired U.S. citizenship. Hawash was raised in Kuwait. Members of Hawash’s family currently live in Nablus as well as Kuwait.

It is interesting that he was exiled, I assume along with his family since he would have been a kid at the time, and yet his family currently lives in Nablus. I guess it is his Palestinian origin that makes him so popular with the LLL. They love that. And lastly, here is a picture of him in his natural state.

52 A. van Hilten  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 2:37:52pm

Now we know the reason for polygamy:

The conversations ranged from inquiries about bomb making, to talk of cutting the heads off nonbelievers, to a desire to have "real" Muslim wives who would be willing to carry AK-47 assault rifles and be "ready to run and blow something up."

53 Elizabeth  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 3:50:19pm

#51 oregonian:

You can take the kid out of Nablus but you can't take Nablus out of the kid.

54 zulubaby  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 3:51:54pm

oregonian (#51)

And lastly, here is a picture of him in his natural state.

Besides Arafat, that's the most hideous thing I've ever seen. Thanks for the info and links (except that last one ... sheesh!)

55 Josh  Fri, Nov 21, 2003 9:28:10pm

The folks that Israel kicked out of the territories in the 1970's were the folks that were helping the PLO blow things up and shoot school children.

I wouldn't be surprised if we come to find that this sort of thing does indeed run in the family.

56 Engineer  Sat, Nov 22, 2003 2:17:21am

#50 DCCLXX

1) Marshall Law declared in North America, quickly followed by the shutdown of Air traffic worldwide.

There is no such thing as "Marshall Law" It is "Martial Law"

martial law n. 1. Temporary rule by military authorities, imposed on a civilian population especially in time of war or when civil authority has broken down. 2. The law imposed on an occupied territory by occupying military forces.

You have to do better if you want people to listen to you.

57 Dick Cravat  Sat, Nov 22, 2003 6:25:07am

#13 ördög

ROTFL!

#25 Ed Moran: Abu Wore Shorts to Work

There were a lot of comedies that made fun of him before the war. He was a goldmine for hollywood since he just sort of had a "kick me" sign painted on him.

OT:
What's happened to the Faithfreedom website? It get's an "internal server error" message.

58 DCCLXX  Sun, Nov 23, 2003 12:11:42pm

#56 Engineer

Thanks for the correction.


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