As soon as one fights back, one is accused of aggression.

Just ask Israel.

BTW: Our "friend" Elkahim is getting his arse handed to him by many of Melanie's posters, LGF'ers or not!

Behold the power of reason!

Even if an attack on Britain / British targets were justified in any way -
It still wouldn't justify the means used.

How many Brits were killed and how many muslims?
Who were the victims of the terror attacks?

If they were to want to kill Brits,
all they had to use is a sniper.

And don't tell me they couldn't. Obviously they collected a lot of intelligence prior to the attack and smuggled truck-loads of explosives. Neither money nor manpower & skill would be a problem in that case.

Read your history folks, and then pass it on. I'm thoroughly amazed at how little our infidel brethren (and sistren?) know about islam's methods over the last millenium plus.

"To be forewarned is to be forearmed."

Remember, Czechoslovakia and Poland caused their takeovers by Nazi Germany by having the audacity to field armies of their own. Then, just as now, they had it coming.

#2 my sharona

Holy trolly elkahim is just repeating the same BS he was using over here. You have to wonder who these people are.

Lets all remember that the LLL supporters are spending millions right now, and I still contend that a lot of the "protestors" and trolls are paid.

May I ask a question?

Is this photo real or a fake:

Photo

Does anyone know this photo?

Please assume the position, curled up on the floor in the fetal position and recite after me.

THANK YOU SIR MAY I HAVE ANOTHER

When we all learn how to do that also adopting the proper attitude of humble abject apology for breathing then maybe the war on us will slow up.

Pierre

The continuing saga of Leftist self-loathing: root causes, it's all our fault, Bush=Hitler, let's all do the Dhimmi Shuffle.

#7 - xxx

Please don't post such photos without an explicit warning. Thank you.

And no, I don't know whether that is real or not.

James LILEKS says it best (and I hope he doesn't mind my quoting him):

It’s going to take another attack to convince the fence-sitters: I hear this all the time. I don’t think that’s the case. I think the next attack on American soil will jolt whose who’ve moved on, who’ve forgotten the aching, clammy dread we all felt after 9/11. But others will believe that we brought it on ourselves. You already read it around the web – the bombings in Turkey were a response to Britain’s assistance for toppling Saddam; what did we expect? In other words: if we fight back, we get what we deserve. If we do not fight back, and we are attacked again, you can blame it on the crimes for which we have not yet sufficiently atoned. The only proper posture for the West is supine. Curl up and let them kick until they’re spent. Give them Israel and New York and perhaps they’ll go away.

This is either going to end on their terms, or ours. Which would you prefer?

Read the whole thing
here

Andrew Sullivan's take on it:

AL QAEDA LOSES IT: What exactly is the strategy behind going after Turkey and Saudi Arabia? We know the motivation - they despise Turkey's secular form of government and they loathe Saudi Arabia's connections to the West. But doesn't this strike you as spectacularly dumb from a strategic point of view? They have only helped make the West's case to the Saudis - that they cannot ignore this threat and certainly cannot buy it off. They may well alienate Turkey's Muslim population. And by murdering Brits, they have hopelessly undercut the anti-Western demonstrations in London. Your average Brit, after all, may be a little queasy about American military power. But when al Qaeda starts murdering British subjects abroad, the sympathy for Arab terrorists (which is a clear under-current of the far left in Britain) begins to look to waverers as sickening as it genuinely is. We may have made errors in Iraq - disbanding the army in May seems in retrospect an obvious screw-up. But the enemy is not without flaws itself. Perhaps al Qaeda is now so disorganized that it is practically incapable of any intelligent strategy. Either way, these terrible murders are indicators of something worth noting: the enemy may be falling apart. This may make it more dangerous in the short term. But it bodes well for eventual victory.

Amazon.de (Germany) ban anti-jihad site.

Mr.Markus Girke from from amazon.de ban an anti-jihad site, because Islam is a religion of freedom an peace.

Fuck off amazon.

amazon is an american company, isn`t it?

All the criminals presume that if you defend yourself you are an aggressive and bad bad bad person.
These well funded organizations of terrorists and subversives are, at the level of militants, composed of people with a criminal mind and a criminal attitude towards society. They really think that the victim of an aggression should not defend herself.
That's why they scream when they aggress the Police and the Police answers. For them, the Police is supposed to run away when attacked.
Their hero is the cop-killer mumia...his death penalty has been fought as a real injustice...gee, he has just killed a cop...

#3 Outsider

A sbiper wouldn't make the evening news. This is show biz after all. Sickening as it is.

Anyone who has read the history of the dhimmies living under Islam will recognize this behavior. According to dhimmitude expert Bat Ye'Or, the belief that you can forestall Islamic terror by not fighting back is one of the main characteristics of dhimmitude.

A comment by Susan post to the article above.

I couldn't agree more.

#7 xxx

That's f*cked up. I suppose I should have known better with a handle like that. Get some help.

XXX - I agree - Give a freakin' warning before posting such stuff! Geez

I carefully enhanced and enlarged a lot of parts of the photo. I can't say for certain, but I think it a fake. There's an unusual amount of missing detail where there should be some - in the hairline, in the stuff hanging from the neck of the right head. Also, the faces should be quite drained of color, very 'grey' due to beheading. I think its a fake. A sick fake, but a fake.

KURILOVO JOURNAL
From Village Boy to Soldier, Martyr and, Many Say, Saint
By SETH MYDANS

Published: November 21, 2003

URILOVO, Russia — Shoulders back, chest out, the young soldier stands as if on parade in his camouflage fatigues — his boots polished, his rifle at his shoulder, a halo around his head.

His face is the blank mask of a man for whom duty is life. It is not easy being a soldier, or a saint

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

It's difficult to find a country as publicly non-supportive of the U.S. as the Turks were, both before the fighting began in Iraq and after it had subsided.

1) The Turks viewed the entire campaign as an attempt to enrich themselves by demanding billions for overflight and basing rights. The Turkish government eventually reversed itself but by then the alternate invasion plans were set and it was too late.

2) Blocking the deployment of the 4th Infantry Division to invade Iraq from the north allowed Saddam's Republican Guard to dissolve largely intact and certainly contributed to the guerilla campaign we are currently facing.

3) For months the Turks were obstinately non-committal on the question of peacekeepers being sent into Iraq's Syrian border regions. Eventually the Turks rejected the deployment of peacekeepers altogether.

If non-cooperation (and indeed outright opposition) to the Iraq war and subsequent occupation guaranteed security from terrorism, clearly the Turks should have had little to fear. But the Turkish synagogues and stock exchanges got blown up anyway. These latest attacks raise interesting questions about the al-Qaeda organization. Has al-Qaeda become so irrational and so impulsively homicidal that it is simply impossible to predict where they will strike next? Or has al-Qaeda become merely an instrument in a regional power play? Recent attacks in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Turkey clearly are aimed at shaking America's nominal allies in the region, perhaps even forestalling a Turkish-Israeli alliance. As I said, the attacks raise interesting questions.

#7 xxx

Sick shite pal.

Is this a warning or threat? Notice the guy in white is accomplished in head holding. Like a fisherman he knows in order to make his head look bigger in the photo you extend your head forward towards the lens. The head holder in gray is a rank amateur as he holds his head aloft to Allan but loses the claim to having a bigger kufr's head due to his devotion. Now parden me while I puke.

And in the most recent edition of Germany's "Nationalzeitung," a fascist and antisemitic rag, we have an interview with Daniel Ellsberg, in which he suggests that Americans and Brits should have been put on trial for crimes against humanity during World War II.
There have always been those who voiced absurdities. The awful thing today is just how many are willing to believe them. Thought has become an enemy to many in the West.

Outsider (3)

How many Brits were killed and how many muslims?

Moderate or Westernised Muslims are as much a target of these 'militants' as Westerners. Turkey has the most Westernised or non-fanatical Muslims of any Muslim country.

Plus, of course, these 'militants' don't actually care about human lives, any more than the 'mothers' of suicide bombers.

Bill Hobbs has a nice mention of LGF on his blog.

Surfing on the West Bank
The AP reports on how Palestinians living in the West Bank are going online in increasing numbers - and why.
Internet use has risen sharply, putting the Palestinians ahead of much of the Arab world. Business people use the web to place orders with suppliers, university students keep up with lessons and relatives separated by Israeli closures stay in touch through chat rooms.
Maan Bseiso, owner of Palnet, the leading Palestinian Internet service provider, tells the AP that Palestinains "are using the Internet a lot more for practical reasons than their counterparts in other regions" and "the political issue, as well as security issues in Palestinian areas, make people use the Internet for business and information and news."

It's probably too much to hope for that most of them would be visiting - and getting the truth - from news blogs like Little Green Footballs .

Off topic a bit, anyone who thinks Britain is Dhimmi should check out this public statement that British Muslims have to choose between the British way of life or the terrorists.

Curious (#25)

Read this instead :-)

#20 Dirk Diggler

I think we are witnessing is a decentralization of AQ. Over 20,000 ROPer's attending training facilities in Afghansitan before we made it a parking lot. These happy-go-lucky individuals took the training courses offered and went back home to spread the word of ROPMA.

We will have a difficult time hunting down these people and allowing them to get their prize of 72 raisins. We should also be looking into shutting down some of the other boys camps that are functioning in Syria, Iran, Egypt, Somalia, Yeman, Libya...

We have a lot of work ahead of us. So little time, so many to extinguish.

Zulubaby 26:

The point I'm making is that, whatever Muslims in Britain say, they're being told what's what by government ministers etc rather than being pandered to.

This marks a bit of a change, and of course Muslims will seethe/whine about it.

Dhimmi behaviour would be if government ministers didn't speak they're mind for fear of the seethe-whining.

28 sorry - their mind not they're mind.

#15 - Kalb caD-di-nee
#23 - Curious

My point was that contrary to the "logic" of the LLL:
1) The "political motive" of the terrorists was not Iraq,
as Turkey was not a part of the coalition and yet it was intentionally the target.
2) The cruelty of the attacks suggests this is not an act of violent political 'protest', this is an act of psychopathic murder.

as for

A sniper wouldn't make the evening news. This is show biz after all. Sickening as it is.

They have the ability to send snipers wherever there are muslim communities. Imagine the noise the quagmire media would do if Brit diplomats were shot all over the world.

Curious, oh I'm as pleased as you are about Denis MacShane's remarks, I just didn't want you to miss out on the Muslim seething fun.

In the seventies people used to have 'Wine and Cheese' parties. Now the ROPMAs have 'whine and seethe' parties.

"This is truly insane. The logic of this insane way of thinking is that the west must not ever seek to defend itself from attack by the jihad by waging a just war of self-defence, because to do so will merely invite yet more terror. This mad logic means that if we are murdered and fight back, the fact that this may provoke more Islamists to sign up to murder because of their truly crazy way of looking at the world means we shouldn't fight back at all. This is tantamount to a call to surrender to fascism."

It does however play well in the Arab press.

Patrick Seale: Sharon has ignited the fire of anti-Semitism

I think we are witnessing is a decentralization of AQ. Over 20,000 ROPer's attending training facilities in Afghansitan before we made it a parking lot.

But remember many of those al-Qaeda types (and their senior leadership) fled to Iran following the Afghan campaign. Iran admits it has al-Qaeda figures in "custody", yet refuses to turn them over to the United States or anyone else for that matter. My question stands: Are these actions the work of a desperate, despirited organization thrashing out at targets of convenience? Or is al-Qaeda merely being utilized by regional players, so as to provide the state sponsors of terror a certain plausible deniability? In short, is there a method to this madness or is it simply madness?

#7

they're Indonesian playing petanque (ahhh, ze french style) . But they are sooo poor, so humiliated...

#30 (Outsider)

My point was that contrary to the "logic" of the LLL:
1) The "political motive" of the terrorists was not Iraq, as Turkey was not a part of the coalition and yet it was intentionally the target.

This is what is interesting about it. Obviously, the British Consulate attack could be construed by people who were "looking for it" as retribution by...someone...for Britain's participation in Iraq - but the Hongkong-Shanghai Banking Company (HSBC) office? Huh? Okay, so HSBC is headquartered in London, but they aren't exactly a government entity...

In this AP wire story, there's an interesing quote:

"Turkey is a crucial ideological threat to al-Qaida," said Soner Cagaptay, an analyst at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. "It is a pivotal showcase of the other side of the Muslim world that they hate."

In fact, none of the individuals quoted mention the participation of the UK, or the lack of participation of Turkey, in deposing Saddam Hussein as "justification" for the attack - and if there were any suspicion of that about, I doubt that AP's reporters would withhold that information from us...

The terrorists in Turkey thought that the anti Bush protests in London would actually have a positive effect for their side. Why wouldn't they ? They read the Guardians 75% of Brits believe the USA is the biggest threat to world peace bullshit.
Thats why there wasn't an American embassy attack when Blair came to America, or a British embassy attack when Bush, Blair, and Aznar met in the Azores.
Thats why there is always an attack when Sharon comes to Washington. They think of bombs as the language of politics.
The terrorists perceived a chink and wanted to add fuel to the fire.
The only thing those protestors wanted was to get their pics in the Beeb, but what they really did was aid and abet the murder in Turkey. 27 dead people for the sake of vanity.

from cars of death to donkey carts of death in 24 hours--verry impressive!!--trade in your palm pilot achmed, mahmoud just bought us an abacus.

I suppose this point has already been made, (but what the heck...)

In the mainstream media, we learned that:

Iraq, odious as it was under Sadam Hussein, had nothing to do with al Queda-style terrorism. Thus, if we wanted to fight terrorism, the war in Iraq was a diversion, a mistake.

and:

The recent al Queda-style terrorism in Turkey is meant to punish Great Britain for supporting our war in Iraq. Suggesting there is indeed a strong link between the Baathists and al Queda.

Which is it, guys?

# 36 Nextcube

Could the radical dislike of HSBC be due to the bank's un islamic practice of charging interest for loans?

HSBC seems to be one of the largest banks in Turkey
with 157 branches and a very large credit card operation.

Nice.

Someone who speaks exactly what I was thinking.

Thank you, Charles. Didn't know of her before, but now I do.

Shall check her daily.