this is news???

You know what? I am glad that Hamas has dispensed with that charade. I notice that Israel never said that it would abide by a new "hudna." Good for them. War to the knife, knife to the hilt!

I thought this was particularly amusing:

"Those behind this document should be brought to trial because no one authorized them to talk on behalf of the Palestinian people and to betray us with this document," Nizar Riayan, a Hamas leader, told the crowd.

Does he mean a take-them-out-back-and-shoot-them-type trial?

Also the "Right of Return" should be a non starter for any ISreali leadership unless they want to undo the Jewishness of the State. I so hope one day that Gaza is wiped off the face of the earth.

Just so y'all know, that Jihadi group from Yahoo was shut down, and have now re-opened under a similar name. They are no longer the Jihadis who say "Ni!"

In The Service Of The Lizardoid Masters

#3 zulubaby

Palestininan justice is to justice what Hanan Ashrawi and Yasser Arafat are to phsyical beauty - an oxymoron.

Abu Bin Drinking (#5)

The text is hidden. Weird and creepy.

The PLO leadership is authorized to speak for the Palestinian people. And furthermore, they are the group that is recognized by Israel and the international community to do so. That's why Oslo was a big deal-it made this recognition official.
So Hamas can suck a fat one.

One day, Israel will be free, from the security fence to the sea! (plus parts of the Jordan River Valley for security reasons). And the rest of the West Bank and Gaza will still be a craphole.

we have our own " not talking on our national behalf" in the form of yossi beilin and the Geneva accord pishy, which was in our mailboxes this week.
the fact the fact that he bypassed the democratically elected govt and put forth this stuff, and even had it printed at the cost of 7 million shekels is infuriating.
i lined our cockatiels cage with our copy.. felt good!

Did you ever think the AP would admit the truth of the things below? Perhaps they hope this new peace plan will lead to the total destruction of israel.

Hamas, which along with other militant groups has killed hundreds of Israelis in suicide bombings and other attacks, rejects the existence of a Jewish state in the Middle East and is opposed to any Palestinian efforts to make peace with Israel.

The Jerusalem site is also holy to Jews as the place where the two biblical Temples stood before they were destroyed by invading armies. For Muslims, tradition says the site marks the place where Muhammad ascended to heaven.

#3 zulubaby,

beat me to the punch: "..should be brought to trial..."

LOL

You are hearby sentenced to two AK-47 rounds to the back of the head. How do you plead?

#7 Zulubaby,

Not so much hidden as it's black on a dark grey background. I'm more inclined to credit dumb-fuckeryon the part of the folks who put the site together, rather than them being clever. A hidden message that can be read by clicking & dragging isn't so well hidden...

#9 lizzy

and even had it printed at the cost of 7 million shekels is infuriating.

If it makes you feel better, the EU and Switzerland picked up the bill. Europe just paid for your cocktail's furniture :-)

And just who gave Hamas the "right" to speak on behalf of the Palestinian people - well, Hamas of course. Silly me.

As far as right of return, who'd want these people back anyway? They've certainly proven themselves to be bad neighbours all around.

That new jihadi website needs changing already. Don't they know that Osama is now bald, dark close shaven beard and is impersonating a cleric in Iran somewhere!

And why doesn't someone, say FoxNews, do a report on the jihadi's favorite internet host, Yahoo! I'll bet Yahoo! might be more discriminating in who they allow to develop websites, especially if it begins to affect their bottom line.

Is there no parity at all between this call and the fact that many LGFers called Beilin a traitor for negotiating and drafting the Geneva Accords?

I'm not apologizing for Hamas here, but if it's right for people here to label Beilin a traitor, surely any Palestinian who rejects the authority of the PA (as many do) is well within their rights to call Abd-Rabbo a traitor.

Cybrludite (#12)

I didn't realize that's what it was. There's often a glare on my screen and it just looked black to me. You're right, not so clever after all.

#10 piglet

That's the most detailed account of Hamas objectives and the Jewish connection to Jerusalem I've ever seen from AP. And written by IBRAHIM BARZAK, no less.

Can we be sure the Jooos haven't acquired AP?

If you'd like to see the video that shocked the U.S. Senate concerning
the death indoctrination of Palestinian children please go to the following
url. It makes recent events more understandable:

http://www.isratv.com/video/filmpmwadsl.asx

You have to see this to believe it.

But julien,

According to Amnesty International and Kofi Annan:

There is no task more important than protecting the rights of children

(particularly the right to kill Jews)

Bugg (17),

Hear, hear. Strange bedfellows, these treason mongers.

bugg (#17)

I linked to the Ha'aretz version of events over here.

"We will continue to condemn it (Geneva) and collect people's signatures and take to the streets until we bring it down just like Oslo."

Speakers criticised Geneva's call for Palestinian-Israel security coordination to curb militant groups, a key requirement of the U.S.-backed road map plan to Middle East peace.

"The Geneva Agreement is a betrayal," chanted the crowd.

We all know how Oslo was "brought down". Another thing, the PA does speak for the Palestinian people, Beilin does not, he is not PM of Israel. Be that as it may, I can assure you that Beilin will not be lynched in the streets or taken out back and shot because of this. I cannot assure you of the same concerning the Palestinians.

This from the Yahoo! link:

In Gaza's Jebaliya refugee camp, about 4,000 Hamas and Islamic Jihad supporters, some wearing black hoods and holding up hand grenades, protested the agreement Friday.

You won't see Israelis behaving like that, no matter what they think of the Geneva Accords.

#18 Rayra

Spot on!

#24 Rayra, I disagree.

Considering the Geneva Accords is essentially nothing more than a raft, Beilin didn't *give up* or *concede* anything. All they did was draft up what they felt could be a potential peace agreement. They're not claiming that it's a ratified treaty or endorsed by the State of Israel. With all that in mind, I don't see how you can call Beilin a traitor and then denounce Hamas for calling Abd Rabbo a traitor.

Finally, on the rare occassion I post here, I use the name bugg. Always.

#25 zulubaby, many Palestinians will argue that the PA is not a legitimate representative of the Palestinian people. Indeed, to an outsider such as myself, it seems that the Palestinians lack any legitimate representation.

bugg (#27)

zulubaby, many Palestinians will argue that the PA is not a legitimate representative of the Palestinian people.

I've never heard that before. I'm not saying that makes it untrue necessarily, I would just like to know your sources for that.

Indeed, to an outsider such as myself, it seems that the Palestinians lack any legitimate representation.

That has no bearing on how the Palestinians view the PA though.

Didn't Sharon say the same thing (i.e. "traitors") about the Israli negotators? I guess that anything Likud and Hamas both dislike can't be all bad. For my take on this, see this

bugg (27),

You're right, of course. Beilin and the Israeli team that worked out the Geneva agreement made absolutely no pretense of official government action. But it's much easier to dismiss any disagreement as "trolling," so don't hold your breath waiting for any support for contrary arguments.

"Finally, on the rare occassion I post here, I use the name bugg. Always."

LOL... I'm still waiting for Charles to back up Rayra's typical baseless accusation. (Or Rayra to admit that it's WRONG).

Rayra - encore - just for more laughs (24): "closing, in anticipation of Charles' divulging that ONCE AGAIN an INdymediot has posted its drivel and pretended to be someone else agreeing - #23, zionista, not the first time posting equating nonsense, but that's ALL it posts"

Beilin is a traitor, as are all those involved in the Geneva Accords.

Yes, yes... I know, I know. And everyone else who knows we can't shoot our way out of every problem is a traitor. And everyone willing to fight the war on terror to the last Israeli are the true patriots. It's getting late and it's getting old, folks.

[Link: www.haaretzdaily.com...]

Pollsters read a summary of the agreement to Israelis and Palestinians, and found that 53 percent of the Israelis and almost 56 percent of the Palestinians support it. Almost 44 percent of Israelis and 39 percent of Palestinians said they would oppose such a deal.

The solution to Israeli unemployment. Half the Israeli public can guard the other half convicted of treason.