its getting harder to claim with a straight face that islam is a religion of peace, isnt it?

There was the Passover seder bombing in Israel. There were the Christmas Eve bombings in Jakarta. How many more attacks must religious innocents bear before this madness ends?

gee you'd think there was a war going on?

This puts the Archbishops Bombadon greetings in a whole new perspective.

Don't worry, I'm sure the radical Muslims will show as much respect and restraint during the Christmas holidays as they did during their own Bombadon.

#1: bull

lol! And you're putting such an effort into it ;)

If I were in charge there I'd be watching security czar Susilo 'Bambang' Yudhoyono.

But that's just me.

1 bull 11/24/2003 05:33PM PST

its getting harder to claim with a straight face that islam is a religion of peace, isnt it?

One word:

Botox.

;^D

Cowboy wisdom from Charlie Daniels:

An open letter to The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Los Angeles Times and all the rest of you Bush hating, socialistic, blame all the ills of the world on America publications who are willing to give a distorted account of what’s happening in Iraq for your own selfish political purposes.

I challenge you, defy you, in fact, I double dog dare you to print some letters from the troops who are serving over in Iraq.

I dare you to print a first hand account of what’s actually happening there which has been written by the people with the guns and the body armor who volunteer to put themselves in harm’s way so that you have the freedom to belittle everything they do and make it look as if their hard fought efforts are not working...

[Link: www.charliedaniels.com...]

Considering all the US gubment financing that went into the Internet, should we have to have Christianity rammed down our throats like this? Edit this to read "Winter Non-Denomenational Celebratory Period" instead of "Christmas" while you still can. I have the ACLU on speed-dial.
/open-minded, tolerant, caring liberal

"Jihad bells,
My camel smells
Death to USA!
Oh what fun it is to die
For Allah ever day!

Jihad bells,
My camel smells
Death to USA!
Oh what fun it is to die
For Allah ever day!

Sneaking thru the sand
With a grenade in my hand
To Baghdad we go
To blow infidels all away
Night scope on Humvee paints
Achmed and Abdul bright
.50 caliber sings its' song
Two Tangos dead tonight!"

Oh c'mon folks... don't you see? This is what the LLL's find so appealing about the ROP. They have enough multi-culti "courtesy" not to limit their attacks to only Islamic holidays. All holidays are recognized as equal opportunity times to murder.

Clutch: LOL!!!

"Peace on earth, Good Will to Men (but not to women, or infidels, or Jews, or collaborators, or Americans, or Turks, or ,...,)

Let me get this straight. They bomb us for Ramadan, they bomb us for Christmas, they bomb us for Passover. Just what do they NOT bomb us for? Doesn't the Religion of Peace take any holidays off killing? Am I asking stupid rhetorical questions?

13 Judith Gordon

That's funny. Sadly pathetic --but funny. It's true, they do not just observe their own religious holidays as a "good time for some killing" they use everyone else's too.

Throw in all the patriotic and symbolic holidays and why --gee --there isn't a month that goes by where they don't have a good excuse to kill.

Not to mention when there is a full moon, a crescent moon, an eclipse, any sort of favorable numbers,

Judith Gordon,

Doesn't the Religion of Peace take any holidays off killing?

Au contrair, mon ami! Don't you see, holidays are the BEST days for blowing up the infidel. Much more attention that way, and it makes us dread our own holy days. Clumsy though it may be, the terrorists understand "psy-ops".

Ain't goin' to be no Jihad bells in Islam. ~ You should look up what Mr. (Mo' Ham) Ed said about bells. Purdy nutz! :-/

O.K., this is cowardly, but I wouldn't go near a church that wasn't heavily guarded in a majority Muslim country, especially on Christmas. Remember that church shooting in Pakistan?

Need I add that simply throwing anti-Muslim pamphlets around a mosque in Hawaii caused major belly aching and seething?

#17 Donna V.

O.K., this is cowardly, but I wouldn't go near a church that wasn't heavily guarded in a majority Muslim country, especially on Christmas.

I'm in the military, I don't go anywhere in a majority Muslim country without a gun. Not cowardly, prudent.

F*cking pussies. We Christians TRY our hardest to understand you, even LIKE you, and this is how you repay us.

BTW - to America hating, I-SLAM types reading this - why do you guys take over the strip clubs, pick up the nastiest three dollar whores, get drunk as skunks, and curse like long-shoremen when you come to America - and then pretend to be all Charlie Church, (or Mickey Mosque) when you get back to your home turf.

As a cop, working with a population including many well-off foreign Muslim youth, I deal with your fellas all of the time. Your women folk are mostly still wearing the veils or whatever they are, but other than getting laid on weekends, and maybe tossing back a few wine coolers, they're at least pretending to be religious and keeping it down to a low roar.

Anyway, instead of blowing up churches full of nice people, maybe you could light up some fireworks like the rednecks do on every holiday. It's cheaper, and you can chill out with a few cases of brew, and have fun for a change.

So, what do you say? Can you stop being assholes at least until after the holidays?

Avi, was that serious or did you forget the Sarcasm tag?

Bloody awful if you meant that rubbish!!!

Devonator

Devon Hill (#21)

"Avi" (the psychotic Jew-haters always use Jewish names -- like that'll fool us) is a troll.

George Santayana: "Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim."

Ah, the Grinch that stole Christmas Winter Holiday.

I finally got around looking up just WTH the lyrics are to the Whoville Christmas Carol - trying to figure out the first two lines drove me crazy for decades...

Fah who for-aze!
Dah who dor-aze!

My best guess had been "Abu Doris..."

Islamists Planning Christmas Terror

What a departure from prior Christmas holidays...

Christmas masacre in Cotabato, Philippines:

Associated Press
Dec 24, 2002

Philippines Bomb Kills 13, Wounds 12

COTABATO, Philippines -- A Christmas Eve bomb attack on the home of the mayor of a southern Philippine town killed at least 13 people and wounded 12 others, the military said.

[Note: The death toll was later revised up to 17.]

The military said Tuesday's bombing appeared to be the work of the Moro Islamic Liberation rebels.

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]
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Christmas massacre in Pakistan:

CNN
December 26, 2002

Pakistani police are questioning a radical Muslim cleric and his son in connection with a Christmas Day church attack that killed three girls and injured at least 14 others.

The church was holding a special service for women and children when a grenade was hurled through an open front door by two attackers.

The detained cleric, Mohammed Afzal, reportedly said "it is the duty of every good Muslim to kill Christians," during a sermon at a mosque three days prior to the attack... "You should attack Christians and not even have food until you have seen their dead bodies"

Three girls -- aged 6, 11 and 15 -- were killed in the blast. Of the 14 injured, two were in serious condition at a Lahore hospital.

[Link: robots.cnn.com...]
 

Christmas masacre in Baliguian, Philippines:

Associated Press
December 26, 2002

In a second deadly attack in four days, suspected Muslim rebels in the southern Philippines on Thursday ambushed a vehicle transporting Filipino workers of a Canadian mining company, killing 12 and injuring 10, the military said.

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]
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And who can forget this bit of Muslim holiday cheer:

The Toronto Star
December 28, 2002

Mosque warns against saying Merry Christmas
Salutation like congratulating murderer: E-mail

The notice went out on the Khalid Bin Al-Walid mosque's Internet message service on Christmas day, stating that congratulating non-Muslims on their festivals "is like congratulating someone for drinking wine, or murdering someone or having illicit sexual relations and so on."

Whoever wishes someone a Merry Christmas, it goes on to say, "exposes himself to the wrath and anger of Allaah."

[Link: www.thestar.com...]
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More than 15,000 personnel are to be deployed on the major Muslim holiday that marks the end of Ramadan, to avert the expected crime peak.

[Link: www.thejakartapost.com...]

Common crime is local, but terrorism has international significance.
I hope that Prime Minister Megawati Sukarnoputri understands that the world will be watching Indonesia during the coming Christmas holiday, to verify that Indonesia is successfully fighting the war on terror.

If 15,000 are deployed against common crime on Idul Fitra, shouldn't many more be deployed against terrorism on Christmas? It would surely be a black mark against Indonesia, and against Megawati's regime, if they did little to guard against the obvious threat of terrorists.

"[The Jemaah Islamiah's] new leader, Islamic cleric Zulkarnaen, is also focusing his efforts on a suicide bombing unit, the Laskhar Khos." -- Derwin Pereira, reporter for The Straits Times.
[Link: www.thejakartapost.com...]

I have to wonder: if The Straits Times is aware of what is going on, aren't the Indonesian authorities? Don't they care? Is the terrorist leader Zulkarnaen beyond the rule of law?

A terrorist success anywhere breeds encouragement of terrorists everywhere.

The war on terror, if it is serious, needs dismantlement of terrorist infrastructure. What are they waiting for, concerning Zulkarnaen? A new massacre that will give them political cover to do what they should have done already? How much blood will their lack of courage cost?

#25 William 11/25

"Whoever wishes someone a Merry Christmas, it goes on to say, "exposes himself to the wrath and anger of Allaah."

This is certainly the "party stance." But it gets very much worse (of course). This ruling is only a small part of the forbidden whole in public non-relations to kuffaar (group term for kaafir). Liking one is much higher on the list!

I quote the ruling you cited as to why muslims "can't say" phrases like "Happy Thanksgiving."

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{ blows smoke off barrel of "scare quotes"}

"Taking part in their holidays and festivals, helping them to celebrate them, congratulating them on these occasions or attending places where such celebrations are held. The phrase al-zoor [falsehood] in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning) “And those who do not witness falsehood…” [al-Furqaan 25:72] was interpreted as meaning the festivals of the kuffaar."

You know, its okay for us highly intelligent and informed persons to sit here and debate these things, but who is actually educating the masses on this stuff?

What does it take to get the word out?

I guess I could send something to the op-ed page of the Bedford Bulletin, the once a week rag in our town of 6,500, and pray that at least 3 people understand it.

That is, if they can print it in its entirety correctly, which is doubtful. We all are too busy with the debate over whether there should be a traffic light at the intersection of Rt. 24 and Rt. 122.

Myopia --- more people in the world suffer from it than one would realize.

Regarding Indonesia just remember that the Balinese aren't mean little Islamic assholes like the Javanese. If not ruled by Javanese crooks, Bali would be already a very rich and peaceful country.