I'd be interested to hear from our British friends here theories as to why, despite open BBC bias and hostility, recent polls of the British public still show majority support for the War on Terror and, at least, respect for Pres. Bush and the United States.

Given such a 24/7 propaganda machine, how does British common sense survive?

Tell us, oh ye of the Home Counties!

Isn't this the same nutbag that had a family portrait with the woman of the house dressed as a barely visible shadow in the background?
Must have been thinking to himself, "If I just show the people of the world that I am a normal human with a normal family life, they will come to my defence."

It's not THAT sly, if you grade their reading audience on the curve.

A reasonably intelligent person I know pointed to an article (on Veteran's Day, no less) that had the headline Jessica Lynch 'raped' in Iraq.

This led to an email argument where BBC news recieved a thorough lynching from me (no pun intended) on their "reporting" of the Lynch incident / rescue, but in the meantime I was informed by my friend that the quotation marks were there to indicate the long-running and well-known dishonesty regarding the rape charge and the Lynch incident in general. (The persons making the charge that Lynch and the US were liars happened to be Iraqi doctors, an impeccable source for sure... or not).

But the bottom line is, even reasonably intelligent people buy into the sneer lenguage and think nothing of it. These same people are also incapable of differentiating between editorial commentary and factual reporting.

How can we expect your average layman to interpret what's being sold to him as news? We don't stand a chance.

We should all get used to wearing red...

THE HOLY HAND GRENADE (but not the funny kind from Monty Python)

"Toy hand grenades sit at a street vendor as people shop in preparation for the Muslim holiday of Eid al-Fitr in the main market in Gaza City, Monday, Nov. 24, 2003. The holiday comes at the end of the the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. (AP Photo/Kevin Frayer) "

#4

Go to the LGF mainpage and scroll down a bit...

I'm so freaking tired of the Beeb. When I was in Hong Kong last year, they really toted the PRC party line in regards to the Taiwan situation.

Also, I bet his Italian wife is having a screaming hissy fit about having to live in Senegal. I suspect she liked having it both ways in Italy.

I wish, though, he was sent to GitMo instead.

Another monster gets the BBC kid-glove treatment. I especially love the "No Terrorist" caption.

Oh, and this just in:

Sean Penn wants to become a correspondent for the SF Chronicle. Yeah, unbiased and accurate reporting at its finest, don'tcha think?

Sean Penn writing news dispatches from Iraq for the San Francisco Chronicle? It could happen -- but don't hold your breath.

Chronicle Editor Phil Bronstein confirmed for E&P Online a report in this week's Entertainment Weekly cover story that the paper had discussed this Penn Mightier Than the Sword scenario. The actor, of course, made a controversial trip to Baghdad last winter just before the war broke out and later wrote about it at length -- but only in the form of a full-page ad in The New York Times.

[Link: www.editorandpublisher.com...]

[Link: www.jewishworldreview.com...]

Well the BBC is anti-American and anti-Semitic (no sneer quotes needed).

He doesn't have the guts to kill a rat so how could he kill a human? Easy to figure out. My girlfriend doesn't have the guts to kill a mouse but I do so I'm the designated
killer. His killer is in the second row, fourth mat from the left. Almost had me fooled with that one. Asshat!

OT: But not so OT:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"Critics have condemned the Bush administration’s proposal to close down the U.N. Information Center (search) in Washington, D.C., as yet another example of American “unilateralism.”
"

Found this article on Fox's website this morning. Good move!

Someone dared to point out double standards at the Beeb (blessed among jihadis, beloved of the Kremlin)?! I'm sure our departed Red from the Emerald Isle is shrieking at her monitor as we speak.

OT: Check out this amazingly frank article on European anti-Semitism in the (gasp) Guardian! [Link: www.guardian.co.uk...] However, this is headed "Special report, Europe's far Right."

Oh, the staggering hypocrisy, when lefties like the Guardian and its grazers have been mercilessly demonizing the Yahoodis for years. It also begs the question of if the Europress will actually start characterizing the Muslim populations on the continent as the far Right that they actually are. Still, thought this was interesting.

(Tried to submit this, but the mail feature on the front page isn't working for me for some reason. Could be this computer though)

I'm becoming sick and fed up with these pro-hate, jihadist imams who preach for our destruction and then exploit our freedom and tolerance to complain about "racism" and "intolerance".

Sometimes I think it should be a Secret Service matter: the imam just disappears at once, and nobody will ever know what exactly happened...

#8

The Chronicle is only outpaced in its irrelevance by the LA Times and New York Times

Quark 2

Great link.

U.S. officials have every right to question the way the United Nations is run. This nation has been its biggest contributor since its creation in 1945 and currently contributes 22 percent of the U.N.’s regular budget. In contrast, France contributes 6.4 percent, Britain 5.54 percent, China 1.53 percent and Russia 1.2 percent.

If the UNCHR isn’t fundamentally reformed, the United States should threaten to withdraw from it and refuse to provide long-term funding until it can prove that it stands for the advancement of human rights.

"A tolerant society is so reluctant to appear intolerant, it would rather tolerate intolerance." (Mark Steyn)

#8 lahawk

Sean Penn and the SFC are like Cinderella and the glass slipper--a perfect fit.

#9 mal

Pipes is a truth-teller in a world of lies and obfuscation.

___

The deported iman's definition of a racist: Anyone who prevents or imedes me from freely preaching my scripturally-endorsed hatred.

The biased reporting of editorial opinion is rampant in the world of slanted yellow 'journalism'. The layman reader isn't being presented with factual reporting, they are being bomblasted with someone's biased opinion.
I think the reason the printed media is finding itself on the decline is because of their own duplicity and falseness. You can lie only so much, before it catches up with you.
Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

#9   mal

Good catch. Pipes is the man, and the bullet-points virtually sum up this entire conflict. He's got a fantastic grasp on The Big Picture.

@16 RIP Ford

'Morning! :)

I was pleasantly surprised when I read that article. Thought it would be a little cheer up for us 'mericn' taxpayers.
Are you cold over in the S.A. way? We had hard frost this morning.
ALL of the dogs stayed in front of my wood burning stove last night. *lol

Right now the front page of BBC.com news features "Attacks Against Iraqis 'Increase'" Well, are they or aren't they? Its like saying, weather today 'rainy.' Stock market 'gains.'

These facts need to be qaulified in BBC land, but not Italy's racism is seems.

Here's another interesting tidbit from Gitmo.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"WASHINGTON — The United States is fighting a "raging intelligence war" with suspected terrorists held at a high-security prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, a senior Pentagon official says."

The photo of the iman and family is a telling illustration of how women are viewed in Islamist society--as a black hole, an absence, a negation: Encase her in an opaque black baggie and she'll cease to exist.

#14 FabioC 11/25/2003 08:17AM PST

or get dropped from a few thousand yards out by a magic bullet let em know we know who you are and where you are

Radical Islamic nutbag...

Wow, double redundancy! Good one, Charles!

That picture is hilarious. Actually, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Nice family photo...

His wife's name, "Aisha(h)" was also the name of the little girl raped by Muhammad aged 9.

What a shrouded sack of shit that wife is. How stupid do you, and all muslim women for that matter, have to be to embrace a religion that enslaves you? What message does it send to the little boy, that mommy, and all women, are to be shrouded in a sack of shame? Covering women like this is not only mental gendercide, it is child abuse. Although, reading that caption, I'm not sure that she is that little boy's mommy. According to the caption that is HIS son, not THEIR son. But seeing how this pig fucker makes his wife dress, I can't bring myself to believe that he has a fully developed penis, capable of reproducing. What a disgusting religion of pieces of shit.

Photo caption contest, entry no. 1:

"Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of Islam? The Shadow knows..."

(I agree with Smitty, though, on the laugh/cry thing. By the rules of this culture, in order to photograph this person, she's required to be visually obliterated.)

There could be anyone in that black sack! Has any local missing persons reports been filed?

YeeHaww!!

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Under pressure from voters and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (search), state senators voted to repeal a law allowing undocumented immigrants (search) the chance to get a driver's license"

Compare these two headlines from the same page --

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Iraq Security Nightmare

(the 'nightmare' is inherently subjective. When is it a 'nightmare.' Does this occur only at night? Was there a nightmare line crossed with x number of deaths? Was it not a nightmare under Saddam.)

and,

Israel Expels Three 'Militants'

Sneer quotes used, of course.

#30 Occasional

(I agree with Smitty, though, on the laugh/cry thing. By the rules of this culture, in order to photograph this person, she's required to be visually obliterated.)

It's like looking at a photo, where the person took scissors and removed that person that used to be in their life. This is Islam? You can have it. I'll pass.

anyone see the thirteenth warrior i used to love that movie before i learned about islam wonder how many lll think it truly represents muslims

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Under pressure from voters and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, state senators voted to repeal a law allowing undocumented immigrants the chance to get a driver's license.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Oh brother, "undocumented immigrants".

The Associated Press is in full propaganda mode.

This is the terminology of extreme leftists who believe foreigners have an absolute right to come to the United States.

They are illegal aliens not "undocumented immigrants".

Just more "mainstream" media (certainly not liberal media). Note that Associated Press reports are transmitted to thousands of news outlets across the globe, including Fox News.
 

#35 jimmytheclaw: If You thing the Thirteenth Warrior was bad, check out Morgan Freeman's enlightened moosleem in Robin Hood. About as realistic as Costner's accent.

Whatever you do, do NOT ... look under that cover. Trust me, you do NOT want to see under there ... wheeewww!!!

/end Jim Carey rip-off

Evil MF'er...and that woman too, she makes me even more sick than him...she should know better, she was a free Italian woman, and she did this...she deserves what she gets.Which will be a life of misery for sure, with that evil MF'er as a husband.
When she hits 30, hope she likes his new teenage wife and enjoys listening to him banging her every night.
He will then tell the 'old' wife to wear her sack all the time in his presence because her ageing body and face disgust him now that he has a fresh wife.
Of course she will take it out on the children, and the cycle will continue.

Damn, I didn't even see a third person the first time I looked at the picture.

A few months ago I very primitively PhotoShopped a picture of two guys with the same girl. I blacked the girl out, I didn't try to match the background, etc. etc. This woman looks EXACTLY like the girl in my picture.

(On a happier note, the two guys in my picture now looked like they had their arms around each other, and of course they still had big smiles. Oh, the seething and whining when that was published.)

HEY! What's that BLOB beside him?!?!

Somebody has GOT to send this to FARK. I don't think I've ever seen a better candidate.

Looks like an opportunity for a reverse-photoshop.

Aw, c'mon honey, smile for the camera. Don't be such a sad sack!

Just putting a smiley face on "The Blob" would be funny.

It would be funny to see a group picture of the Ladies' Auxilliary of his local mosque.

Wow. She's really black.

#44 Frank IBC

That's a good idea. Paging PDM!

Hmmm...a black version of The Blancmange?

Noirmange, perhaps?

They mean to win at Wimbledon!!

#31 Frank J:

That was my thought EXACTLY! Heck, I suppose for still photos that you wouldn't even have to HAVE a human being to pose for "family" photos--simply drape a burka over a mannequin and you're ready to go! Who would know the difference?

Fall's got Nazgul fever!

Is that a gun under the burka, or is "she" just happy to see him?

Hmmm...

"flanked by his Italian wife Aisha"

WHERE?!?

No, seriously, where is she?

C'mon don't yank my chain...

I have zero sympathy for any woman who chooses that religion/culture. The covering of the entire female body in Islam is Moslem male projection at it's finest. The religion teaches that there is no good in the earthly woman, only incessant temptation of the flesh. Cover her, for she/it will only tempt other men and bring shame. She's only good for spitting out kids, and they'd better be boys. And the only women really worth having are those seventy-two big -breasted, big-eyed women you'll enjoy after you blow yourself and some other kaffir away.

Compare that with, " Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; KJV

Big difference I'd say.

That's not his wife Aisha, that's a sack filled with dirty laundry!

Maybe the woman was just really ugly, and the husband wasn't a PhotoShop expert.

That nutbag's wife is recieving the payoff she bought into. Where ever he goes she'll spend the rest of her life in a dark hell hole. She's given up a life of sunshine,
freedom and liberty. For what? That picture gives me the creeps.

OT again: Notice how this page [Link: www.guardian.co.uk...] exists. This one [Link: www.guardian.co.uk...] does not. I guess that Commies, National Socialists and anarchists are pretty mainstream in the Guardian's eyes. Shocking, to be sure.

Hobgoblin:

OT, but did you see the news about Robert Scamardo?

More inspiration for PDM:

It would be really funny if there was a lizard tail poking out from the bottom of the burqa.

Or "This Space For Rent"...

I had to post that response (#52) again (posted it a while ago), b/c I got thee exact same feeling looking at this morbid 21st Centurty Italian Gothic.

To utterly obliterate one's own existence (and to obey the demand the negation by the one who putatively "loves" her), this heinous bag of fart of a woman perpetuates a great evil in the world.

I'm an anti-feminist, traditionalist man, but putting your wife in a jet black sack is just about as hateful as you can get.

Man just seeing this pic makes by blood boil.

Oh, that must be Allah, boiling the blood in my veins, now where's the ground shaking under my feet?

His Italian wife is one of those types Oriana Falacci screams about. She came from a privileged European background and succumbed to the tiresome leftist mantra, "..those poor little ones..." And now she tolerates the intolerant, praises UBL and the Taliban and villanizes the Jews.

They are the perfect symbol of the sick marriage between the LLL and Islamofascism.

Frank,

I can't access the NYT, b/c of their asinine registration.

The summary?

What was the point of her even being in the photo?

#63 hobgoblin
Have you tried:
freenyt
freenyt
?

Frank,

Found it on Google News

Wow.

Damn.

andrew (65),

thanks for the pointer. I hadn't heard of that.

#21 quark2

Mornin'
We had a pretty good frost for so early in the winter. 28 degrees last night. It usually does not get that cold until February, and at that, only once or twice the whole winter.

#67 hobgoblin
You are most welcome, sir :-)

Hobgoblin:

the one who putatively "loves" her

To someone, like myself, who is semi-fluent in Spanish, that phrase sounds even more on-target than its literal meaning in English. I guess it's similar in Italian.

That picture really rubs me the wrong way. Not just that he sees fit to cloak his wife in "clothing" that renders her neutral, blank; as Charles has written, "invisible." I have come to grudgingly accept that there are men in the world who view women as merely means by which more male children can be produced and patriarchy (in its' most bizarre and irredeemable form) can be preserved.

No. What gets the flames of my indignity stoked is her complicity in this process. An Italian woman who gives up her personhood, willingly, and accepts subjugation for herself and, by extension any female children she may bear.

This unbearble picture shows that even her son does not belong to her. She is an outsider in her own family, and to this she has consented of her own volition. This is the legacy not only of self-hatred, but of the unexamined cultural diversity demanded of us by The Left.

I won't hold my breath waiting for feminism to speak out on this. Because this picture represents something other than Western cultural values, it is somehow inherently preferable to us and should be "celebrated." It makes me ill to my soul, and makes me wonder if Islam is inherently incompatible with basic human dignity.

#35 jimmytheclaw

The 13th warrior was loosly based on Beowulf, a 10th century manuscrpit. Beowulf is the oldest surviving epic in British literature. A good read. That reminds me, I need to pick up that book again.

Maybe its a MALE under that sack!

(Yeah, it was tacky of me to say so, but something about this picture just makes me want to scream!)

Sharona:

This unbearable picture shows that even her son does not belong to her. She is an outsider in her own family, and to this she has consented of her own volition.

Excellent observation. I hadn't picked up on that the first time. So sickening on so many levels.

I just love that portrait photography. If the wife can't make it to the studio, just grap a Kufr off the street and throw a tent over them and there you go.

Someone should photoshop a tart's face over the veil - how about Paris Hilton. Wouldn't that piss him off.

The funny thing is, just a few weeks ago, I actually wore almost this exact same costume - I dressed as the Grim Reaper for Halloween.

'Honey, I got you a new dress. Guess what colour?"

"I hope it's light black. I've been hoping for light black dress for months. I'm getting tired of medium black, and dark black . . ."

How come in The Caliphate black is always this years black??

Or even better, PhotoShop some Hooters.

Just over the weekend, I encountered a picture of a Muslim African tribe in which the woman cover their heads, but not their breasts.

What gets the flames of my indignity stoked is her complicity in this process.

I am sure this is a form of maschocism, when a woman, brought up in the west, submits to this type of thing.

In islam, a woman is fitna, sexual chaos.

she is primarily there to satisfy her husband, even at the expense of her children.

she is disposable, and always insecure. Her husband has total control of her.

It is extremely disturbing dehuminization

"I hope it's light black. I've been hoping for light black dress for months. I'm getting tired of medium black, and dark black . . ."

Colors between which the late VFI would be incapable of distinguishing.

please please please PDM photoshop this one!

its a reallly boring day at the gov'ment office today

Are those real books on the shelves?

The photo of the "wife" is bad enough, but I shudder to think about the bed time stories that little boy is subjected to...

#84 Funky Cold Medina

Great nic. Stories like this perhaps?

#83 Maine's Michael

Yes they're real, but they're only one book. The books are all reprints of the koran, since that's the only book truly devout muslims are allowed to read.

Frank, on the O/T, I'm still stunned by that story. We don't have any cases in Houston (just Boston, Portland/Bend, and Seattle... oh yeah, and LA), but I can just imagine if the lead attorney we go up against came out with similar revalations. The guy must have been tormented so badly, having to sit through depos and relive that crap over and over. Man, I think I'd be pretty suicidal, too. Probably a tough negotiator in his own settlement conference, though. He's the Church's worst nightmare in these types of cases.

As for the spanish connection in my comments, LOL

A question to all...

Is there a website that one can post images I could link to here for free? I love photoshopping, but unfortunately, do not have a web page.

Muslim chaplain Captain Yee wants to be on the Midnight Train to Syria.

Hey all, writing here from Texas. Just visiting family for Thanksgiving, but I wanted to make one comment about the photo.

Does the "wife" unit remind anyone else of the Imperial Guard from Star Wars? That was the first thing I thought of upon seeing the photo.

Have a good Thanksgiving to all in the USA.

#86 hobgoblin

Yes they're real, but they're only one book. The books are all reprints of the koran, since that's the only book truly devout muslims are allowed to read.

Not exactly true. Muslims are allowed to read compilations of the hadiths and other kinds of Islamic commentaries, instruction and laws.

Speaking of how Islam views woman, as some one pointed out about a month ago, the Islamic Masjid of Irving only lists the fathers of newborns, as as last month they only listed the birth of sons, and this month they are still only listing the birth of sons, don't seem to feel a need to congratulate the proud fathers for the birth of daughters. Note also only men appear to get married.

Irving Masjid

May be just a coincidence, but the Irving Masjid is located in a "strategic" location by the DFW airport.

With Allah's blessings and will, we were able to buy a piece of undeveloped land with an area of 11 acres. The land is located in a very strategic area, it is only few miles away from one of the busiest airports in the world, DFW Airport.

#90 cont.

In fact, as per my theory that Islam is a virtual photo negative of Judaism, here is a picture of a seforim shrank, a book shelf with Jewish religous books.

[Link: www.tenyad.com...]

91 Ed Moran: Abu Celebrating the Eid al Fitr

May be just a coincidence, but the Irving Masjid is located in a "strategic" location by the DFW airport.

Meaning within Stinger range?

They're a step ahead, Galliano. OT Chirac in Britain. CHIRAC GO HOME - YOU'RE NOT WELCOME!

93

Thats what I was thinking.

#90 James

You're absolutely right of course. Good catch. Please take my comment as the simple sarcastic remark it was intended to be.

Take heed, people.

These "family portraits" will be the rule, rather than the exception in Western civilization if radical Islam is not stopped.

Ed, Papijoe,

3 miles from the end of the runway.

[Link: maps.yahoo.com...]

Yeah, that's a problem. This kind of thing is the reason (the only reason actually) that I'm glad about the PATRIOT act

Ooh... baby, baby! I'm throwing my Victoria Secret catalog in the trash. There's no way that VC can compete with this sexy sarong. And hey...steeped in such a black fashion statement, I can put on forty pounds and NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW! What a wonderful "religion".

I'm converting...right after Christmas eggnog.

From the article:

The imam however confirmed having met Osama bin Laden between '93 and '96 in Sudan and described him as a very good man. He has not seen him since.

Good Man = Good Muslim = Good Murderer of Innocents and Jews

Now you know why, Mr. Asshat Imam from Sudan, we don't need your kind around here bolloxing up civilization. Hint: A disqualifyer from living among civilized peoples is calling Binnie Boy 'a very good man'. Only in Islam do 'good men' murder and still retain the 'good men' appellation.

Also, I think the last line above would make the start of a nice epitaph for Binnie: Not Seen Since Late 2001.

Italian fashion's not what it used to be.

#99 Lucile

Mail the catalog to Iman Fall, and maybe he'll convert.

A few months ago I very primitively PhotoShopped a picture of two guys with the same girl. I blacked the girl out, I didn't try to match the background, etc. etc.
[...]
(On a happier note, the two guys in my picture now looked like they had their arms around each other, and of course they still had big smiles.

Er, were you unaware that you can get "all male" porno ready-made nowadays? Plus, there are Internet companies that will email it to you for free, several times a day, and you don't even have to ask!

(Contrariwise, if you're really into the DIY approach, there are more fun ways to go about it than mucking around with PhotoShop.)

Just my 0.02¢...

His wife is awesome! I think I need to go upstairs and have a wank.

#85 Papijoe

No, I was thinking more along the lines of this

Honestly, that image does not need photoshopping. It's hilarious as it is.

However...

I have to admit that I was curious to see her face because she reminded me of someone familiar.

"Objective" Associated Press "journalists" Lara Sukhtian and Ibrahim Barzak collaborate on an effort to tell us how the Palestinians Prepare To Celebrate Holiday (or how the "Jews stole Eid el-Fitr").

The celebrations offered a rare break from violence, poverty and travel bans, but the conflict with Israel is never far away.

In some places, the Israeli presence was unavoidable.

With salted fish and chicken in one hand and a new jacket for his son in the other, Abdel Kader Barghouti climbed over a mound of earth.

"I guess things are a little better," he said. "The tanks are gone for now, but the checkpoints are still here."

Traditional Judaism and Islam both come out of old middle eastern culture. Judaism, with its emphasis on going against prevailing cultural norms, if those norms are evil or counterproductive, has tended to moderate middle eastern culture. Islam, in my view, tends to harden that culture.

I'll use the covering of women as an example. Both Muslim and Jewish law require women (and men) to cover parts of their bodies. The picture above is the most extreme Muslim view. The most moderate Muslim view would have everything covered but the face, hands and feet. You'll see Muslim teenagers wearing slacks and a long sleeve shirt, with a head scarf that covers the head and neck, leaving only the face exposed. I don't even think you can see their ears. This appears to be obligatory on all Muslim women, young and old.

It seems to me that the most extreme Jewish view of covering women is far more moderate than the most moderate muslim view. Jewish law, halacha, is pretty specific about the amount of skin a woman can expose. Skirts and dresses have to cover the knee (thighs are considered erotic), sleeves have to cover the elbow, and necklines can't show any cleavage and must cover the collarbone. Married women also cover their hair with a scarf, hat, snood, wig etc. Though some wear clothing more modest than required (long skirts, long sleeves & high collars) the halachic standard is clear: no knees, no elbows, no collarbones, no hair (in the case of married women). Though tight clothing is discouraged, halacha certainly allows a woman to wear clothes that are flattering, attractive and show that she has a woman's shape.

You should read the interview on today's NRO with Phyllis Chessler, a feminist who just wrote a book about the left's anti-semitism. She says how feminists in the west excoriate Israel and ignore the misogyny (sp?) of the Arab and Muslim world. I've long thought that it was ironic that Jewish feminists have decried traditional Judaism as patriarchal and demeaning to women when Judaism has generally had a fairly enlightened attitude towards women when compared to the surrounding cultures. I doubt that you'll find anything in Islam that compares to Proverbs 31:10-31.

#73 Flaming Sword - Sick minds think alike. The first thing I thought of when I saw that picture was David Henry Hwang's M. Butterfly.

Via Cose Turche on November 14:

hehehehehehe

..."Reportedly, the police chief who searched Mamour's house replied to the objections of Mamour's wife (an Italian convert to Islam) by saying: "your husband wanted holy war, no? well, we're here precisely to give him holy war, don't worry, we'll satisfy all your demands" - which sent the woman even more berserk, protesting the "invasion" of her home and asking to see her husband and where had they taken him and he'd done nothing wrong and how dared they. At which stage, the police chief replied: "you keep quiet, madam, or there's handcuffs waiting for you too"...

Throbert -

Uh, they all had their clothes on - it was rated no worse than PG-13, before and after, and that's the way it's going to stay. :)

In the West the main purpose of portrait photography is to record identity. The character in black has no identity. So why even bother to put her in the picture? To exhibit obedient property?

#106 PDM -

She reminded me of someone familiar

Whew, you scared me! I was sure it was going to be St. Pancake!

{LOL accompanied by palpitations}

Another suggestion - take the original, and take your enhancement, have it show the original image, then have the enhancement flash for a few milliseconds; repeat every 5 seconds.

Uh, they all had their clothes on - it was rated no worse than PG-13, before and after, and that's the way it's going to stay.

Killjoy!

The musloid in the black bag used to be a human being. Now she has been reduced to pleasuring her owner sexually and providing him a brood. Those are her sole functions on this earth.

How tragic.

The character in black has no identity

So chilling to look at all the books on the shelf behind her, all with more "identity" than what she is allowed to have.

The Frat-boy aphorism "p***y has no face" has become chillingly literal in this case.

"flanked by his Italian wife..."

Funny, she doesn't look Italian! (bud-um bump)

This man is a misogynist. It should go without saying, but I will repeat it, the misogyny is even worse than racism. It affects one half the human race.

The worst thing of all is that the media will spend days talking about some fringe freak in some wackjob back-in-the-hills church in Mississippi who thinks that men should be allowed to rule their wives, but will not utter a peep about something institutionalized like we see in this photo.

And, as an aside, can someone spell out what is meant by "LLL?" I see it used frequently, but never explained. I assume, from context, something like Loony Liberal Leftists, but dunno if that's correct. Thanks.

#120 Dave J.
Bingo on the LLL.

I emailed this photo the leadership of N.O.W., Texas chapter. I look forward to their response.

On a second thought, the black sack is not signaling an absence. If you don't mind a little Freud, the figure, supposedly female, has a decidedly phallic shape. So the husband transferred her from a woman into a male symbol. I don't know much about Muslim society to add anything to this observation... Interesting that it was done a white European woman.

Anybody else catch this from last weekend's revolution in Georgia...

The crowds brimmed with a festive energy, singing national folk songs, dancing to pop music and chanting "For a Free Georgia!" Cars along Tbilisi's main boulevard blared their horns as Georgians hung out the windows waving flags adopted by Saakashvili's National Movement. Some people displayed U.S. flags and grabbed visiting journalists to shout, "Thank you, America!"

Whether the protestors also chanted slogans in praise of the EU or the UN is not reported.

Rev Jay #89

Does the "wife" unit remind anyone else of the Imperial Guard from Star Wars? That was the first thing I thought of upon seeing the photo.

Nope. COUSIN IT.

#117 Frank IBC

Creepy redefinition of getting a woman in the sack too.

It is not modesty, it is humiliation.

#120 Dave J.

I assume, from context, something like Loony Liberal Leftists, but dunno if that's correct. Thanks.

You got it.
It is various forms of those 3 words in any order.

#108 Ronnie Schreiber:

thighs are considered erotic

Well...DUUHHH... ;)

Ed Moran: Abu Celebrating the Eid al Fitr

Ed al-Fatter?

Thought you were on a diet. ;)

Are "binkies" permissible in Islam? With their bright colors and suspicious, modern, materials they seem a Western perversion of the bond between a devout matron of The Prophet (pbuh) and her child, another manifestiation of the sly work of the Jew in his constant effort to undermine the faith.

It is incomprehensible to me how can this woman could chose to live her life subjugated and covered by a tarp. She was not born into this insanity, she actually chose it. I keep scrolling back to the top to look at the image because I can barely believe it. Call me a self-centered American, but why?? What's in it for her??

Here, have some Reuters sneer quotes:

Saudi Arabia said it foiled a car bombing in the capital Riyadh Tuesday when security forces shot dead two "terrorists" on the verge of launching an attack.

"a possible person" - such a perfect definition...

Thanks for the mention, Charles. I had to just laugh when I saw the BBC headline in the newsfeed this morning. Could they be a bit more transparent?

#11

He doesn't have the guts to kill a rat so how could he kill a human? Easy to figure out. My girlfriend doesn't have the guts to kill a mouse but I do so I'm the designated
killer. His killer is in the second row, fourth mat from the left.

No kidding. This same guy, Mamour or Abdul Qadir or whatever his name is, gave a full interview to Magdi Allam (a pro-secular Muslim Italian journalist, and a brilliant one too) in his book about Al Qaeda in Italy, where he interviewed many such imams and extremists (including Omar Bakri in London since they're connected). Well, Mamour was telling Allam about the different ranks (from soldier to propagandiser) for the mujahedeens - the "brothers", as he always says - and how he personally never took part in any fighting but instructed, raised funds, organised, coordinated, financed, etc. many Jihadis in Bosnia, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Chechenia, you name it.

The question is whether he is bullshitting about all that or not.

Because he's come out so overtly in praising the mujahedeens, many people thought he was simply a provocateur, but the "provocations" surely became a little too much recently. With the prediction/incitement (blurry line there in this case) of more attacks against the Italians in Iraq, and against Italian cities. "I am not a terrorist, I am saying this as a friend of Italy, if the government is wise, they must withdraw or much worse will happen". "Not a threat but a friendly warning". Then he went on to talk about how the shaheeds have already rehearsed attacks over Rome (involving airplanes) and other cities and are only waiting.

Not exactly what the BBC page tries to portray as "prediction" related to the mere fact the Italian troops are in Iraq too.

Mamour said he "knew" there'd be attacks because he was in contact with the "brothers".

On tv the week before he was expelled, he was showing a reporter a bin Laden video he was trying to pass off as new, video on his laptop computer in his home - he talked about how the network of mujahedeens is very active online, Islamic forums, etc. that's where he gets his "news" about upcoming attacks and plans - and suddenly he told the reporter "excuse me a moment" and went out the room looking all shaken and moved and then came back and said "I am overwhelmed each time I see bin Laden, there is no other religious man of his caliber in this world". It sounds like a farce ...

Mamour also said (in the book interview) that many "brothers" - those actively enrolled in his Jihad plan - criticised him for his speaking so much to the media, could not understand why he'd go and tell the media such things openly about their activities. And he said, "I always tell them, let me manage this, I know the media here, I know how things work here..."

He also boasted about managing huge funds for bin Laden and Al Qaeda and from Islamic charities across the world. Bank accounts in Switzerland and all. So he says, at least. Who knows how much of that is true. He's been under investigation for that. I read today that he's still being monitored even while in Senegal.

And of all this (and loads more), no trace whatsoever in the BBC News page article.

- As for "I wouldn't kill a rat", a few months ago Mamour was on tv defending the Rome imam who was removed after the sermon in which he preached Jihad and killing of all Jews and infidels and praised the "Palestinian martyrs" and called for the "annihilaton of all enemies of Islam" - he defended the imam and called on the hypocrisy of his removal because, he said, that incitement to kill the enemies is the ritual closing prayer evey friday in mosques, because it's essential part of the Islamic tradition. So he said.

I think she's Catholic. Traditional Catholic women wear a small headcovering in church. This just happens to be a slightly bigger version.

/

# 133 zaza:

[A] few months ago Mamour was on tv defending the Rome imam who was removed after the sermon in which he preached Jihad and killing of all Jews and infidels and praised the "Palestinian martyrs" and called for the "annihilaton of all enemies of Islam" - he defended the imam and called on the hypocrisy of his removal because, he said, that incitement to kill the enemies is the ritual closing prayer evey friday in mosques, because it's essential part of the Islamic tradition. So he said.

Unfortunately, based upon the empirical evidence at hand, I believe Mamour.

...with Italian wife.
??? Somebody must've cut her out of the picture with a scissors.

#87 RIP Ford

I hope this is what you were looking for...

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And I also found a list of places that host images for free:

Free image hosting :)

Mrs Imam Fall Mamour no doubt realizes that she is three "talaks" away from being completely out of the picture.

#131 Angela

You ask "What's in it for her?" Why, the chance to be married to a maniac who probably doesn't bathe too often and who likely whispers endearments such as, "Do as you are told, oh property of mine, or I shall bring younger, more nubile wives to our home where you shall be relegated to toilet cleaning duty and be beaten by me on a regular basis for your impudence."

It's really no different than women who constantly pick abusers...

From the Sanity in Germany Dept.

Researchers blast EU for 'burying' anti-Semitism study

In this case, 'burying' is quoted from the sociologist who led the study :>

#137 Siren (awake-ish)

Thank you, thank you thank you.
I was beginnig to think I was being ignored. I appreciate the help immensely.

Another suggestion - take the original, and take your enhancement, have it show the original image, then have the enhancement flash for a few milliseconds; repeat every 5 seconds.

Didn't William Friedkin use exactly that gimmick -- i.e., a single-frame "subliminal" flash -- in both The Exorcist and Cruising? (If you haven't seen them, one is as horror flick about a character who undergoes frightening personality changes as though possessed, and the other is about a girl who starts puking up soup and talking like a sixty-year-old smoker.)

Anyway, in The Exorcist, the flash-frame was supposedly the face of Satan, while in Cruising, it's a 1/24-second glimpse of (pantomimed) anal fisting.

The next time I'm in the mood for a double feature of unintentionally hilarious high-camp trash, I may rent them both on DVD and find out for sure.

From Josh's link

"I think that the European Union buried the European Union buried the research out of fear of civil war, and from excessive political correctness," Professor Werner Bergman, one of the co-leaders of the study, told Haaretz.

I wonder how often they talk about a civil war there.

I was thinking more of Cousin It.

Thanks for clearing up Halachic law. I meant to go to bed early last night, my wife was watching "Average Joe", I told her I needed to get to bed, could she watch it in the living room. Doing my normal 15 minutes of surfing before lights out, and "Fiddler on the Roof" is on TCM. I tell you, no straight man under 60 loves musicals the way I do.

I was wondering, "Do these woman dress like that because of Jewish law, or is it because it is Russia in the winter?". Now I guess it was sort of both.

Still can't decide if it has a happy ending or not, yes, the Jews were all expelled from their homes with what they could carry on their backs, but the family is going to New York, and Poppa makes peace with the daughter who ran off with the Russian guy.

I rented "West Side Story" a few years back, when we still lived in the apartment and had no children, I figured a good, semi-modern musical, wine in a bag in a box, and a fire in the place would be the way to go. My wife hated the movie. That one does have a sad ending (trust me). I couldn't talk her into "Chicago".

I remember the old days, before we left for Texas, when we used to go into NYC on Wednesday's for the reduced price afternoon matinees. "Sweeney Todd, The Demon Barber of Fleet Street" with Len Cariou and Angela Lansbury was the first musical I ever saw ( well, I did see "The King and I" with Yul Brenner and Constance Towers at the Jones Beach Theatre, but that wasn't Broadway).

I never did see "Cats" ( except for snippets on TV), but I don't know if I ever could, I travelled with my brother and my now ex-sister in law one year from Dallas to MCI, and danged if she didn't play the soundtrack album the whole way.

#77 Maine's Michael - Waiting on the WZC cheque

I hope you won't be too disappinted when you finally receive your Zionist cheque. Some recipients grumble about them.

Isn't that a nun in the picture, with her back to the camera? She's kneeling down, praying for his conversion.

I was wondering, "Do these woman dress like that because of Jewish law, or is it because it is Russia in the winter?". Now I guess it was sort of both.

When I was growing up in the Soviet Union sheltered from much of my Jewish heritage, I associated Hasidic/FOR-style costumes with C19 rural ethnic Russians. At some point I asked a cousin what Jewish national costumes look like, and she said: "Like Biblical paintings". I don't think she knew what to say. Anyhow, I was very surprised to discover what Americans consider to be Jewish dress for both men and women. So yes, the FOR dress had something to do with the location.

Having said that, the custom of covering women's hair a fairly widespread in traditional societies because hair is generally considered sinful. Modern emancipated women, of course, scoff at things like that. We like pleasure, we like to shop, and we like to keep our sartorial options open. But not too open, I guess. No emancipated modern woman will ever erase her identity like that bagged creature.

"Aisha, this is your last chance. I said smile for the picture. Don't make me get out the cane..."

One night (around Halloween) on the job, I drove my Crown Vic up to a coffee shop, and this car was creeping up slowly behind me. I almost wet my polyester blues when I looked and saw nobody driving the car.

As the vehicle got closer I saw illuminated in the faint glow of a broken street light, four black phantoms. I didn't know if it was a ghost car, a ninja team about to rob the coffee shop, or what - so my right hand dropped quickly to unsnap my Safariland holster.

Then my cultural sensitivity training kicked in and I realised, "Oh, it's just some fucking Muslim chicks."

I didn't put the Glock back until they were 100 yards away. I just can't shoot that far with a handgun.

Damn that religion is spooky. Especially around Halloween...or September, or Ramadan, or Christmas...

I tell you, no straight man under 60 loves musicals the way I do.

Ed Moran, you make me laugh.

Still, when I see photos like this, I can't help but wish that Hanan Ahsrawi were a devout Muslim, rather than a Christian attack/hack sell-out dhimmi.

In further cover 'em up news:

Star journalist embraces the hijab

Testing to see if this works. Sorry about the roughness of the image, it was done very hastily...

Aisha exposed.

#91 Ed Morgan

I posted that link to the Irving Masjid. I have found that you can upset American women by sending them there and pointing out the birth and marriage lists. In fact, some of the comments have been very un-lady like

SoCalJustice:

Re Salmon colored hijabs:

Did you ever see the second "Planet of the Apes" movie, with the people that communicate by telepathy and worship the atomic bomb?

how do we know that's a "she". i just can't respect anyone that treats women as non-persons.

Getting back on a different target

The Stinger missile has a 3 kg fragmenting warhead and a range of 8km ( fact check this, sucker! ), so the Masjid in Irving would be in range, but would a 7 pound warhead down a commercial jet?

The missiles are heat seekers, so it would hit the engine. I'm not an aeronautical engineer, but I'd guess that as long as the hydraulic lines in the wing didn't rupture, an aircraft with engines slung under the wings would be able to safely land. I'm not sure about MD-80/727 type aircraft.

Any aircraft and/or ordinance type people want to elaborate.

#154 see #151

RIP Ford: LOL! You should email the image to him (which him? both!)

#139 Funky Cold Medina -

Of course, it's Battered Spouse Syndrome! Why else would a free Italian woman trade her clitoris for a burqa?

But it's a MAGIC burqa.

/Jack and the Beanstalk

#151 RIP Ford,

EEEK! You need a warning if you're going to post a picture THAT obscene. I just ate lunch. I'll never eat again.

/kidding

no straight man under 60 loves musicals the way I do.

Hmmm. I see. {cocking eyebrow like librarian reacting to an inquiry regarding "I Told You So" by Rush Limbaugh}

#155 Ed Moran:

Any aircraft and/or ordinance type people want to elaborate.

No.

#153

Yup. Freaky.

I'm guessing the interviewer from the Beeb didn't get around to asking how Mr. Fall-Mamour felt about the Gay Marriage controversy in America.

#154

A wise man once said:

If you treat women like objects, then you will end up treating objects like women

...apparently it's time to export blow-up dolls to dar-al-misogynists

Maybe she's a goth? You kufrs ever think of that?

RIP Ford- I laughed until I cried. Thanks!

kalb
NO!!!

Frank IBC, Abu Wiyar al-Buzus an-Dhisbus #163
That would be a very loaded question.

David Simon #157
Not knowing much about battered women, is that what it is?

Channeling Austin Powers:

Come on Aisha, yeah baby, (click) give it to me baby, (click) yeah baby... the camera loves you baby (click)...you're electric (click)...groovy (click)...yeah baby...make love to me...

...and...I'm spent

#158 Frank IBC - Whoa shit, is that funny.

#151 RIP Ford

Your welcome! And glad to see you found something that works! The picture is hilarious! ;D

*You're*

Guess I'm not as awake as I thought ;)

"and a possible person clad in a black sack, identified as his “wife..."

sack?
more racist comments from lgf

Take my sack...please...

-Al-Hini Al-Yungman

Where's Annie Leibovitz when we need her?

Now the word "sack" is considered racist? Who knew?

#173 Frank IBC - Drowned. Face first in Susan Sontag.

#171 gijoe

more racist comments from lgf

Oh, the horrors!

You don't get it, the sack is black.

#171 GIJoe - Piss off troll.

#171 gijoe

sack?

more racist comments from lgf

Racist? No, this is what is called cultural bias. Perfectly appropriate cultural bias IMO.

GI Joe-

Please enlighten us as to the non-judgemental, culturally sensitive way to describe the large, dark bag the woman in the photo is wearing.

Let me guess, you haven't served in the military, have you?

I see bats.

/Haley Osment

Can I be batting 0.000? I'm thinking that was sarcasm. Am I wrong Joe?

On the subject of racism and the like, there is a good article at aish.com called The Brownsirts of Our Time.

IMHO it could be subtitled "The Education of a Radical".

Interesting reading, but I doubt there's any great news to LGFers.

"Racist"??? Hell, I can't even tell the species of whatever it is that might be underneath that sack.

ssh,

I kinda envy the guy right now! I feel like Al Bundy here.

I got in about an hour ago (8:50) after a 100mile drive in the dark and pouring rain. Dog tired. Girlfriend is on the phone. I find I can't cook any tea until I've done washing up. Do washing up. Stick steamer and oven on. Do more washing up. Currently eating dinner. Girlfriend is still yakking on phone.

Thinks - now if only I could get a slave! Although I'd dress her like Rachel Welch in 1million years BC rather than in a bin bag.

In regard to all the disbelieving comments about a free Italian woman voluntarily embracing life as, so to speak, a "bag lady," I will just point out that ex-Muslim websites have numerous testimonies from unhappy female converts who relate how their husbands skillfully did the "we Muslim men put our wives on pedestals" thing during the courtship, all the while giving Islam the soft-sell with positive messages about how Muhammad had recognized all sorts of rights for Muslim women, and patiently urging his new wife to embrace Islam.

Of course, once the wife had converted -- in some cases several years into the marriage, and after they'd had a few kids -- the husband's sweetness-and-light tone changed dramatically.

So it's quite possible that Mrs. Fall has spent most of their marriage regretting that she ever met the guy, and that she prays for the day when her husband will slip up and leave her unsupervised with the kid for five minutes.

#184 Flaming Sword

Please! give a drink warning before you do that.

ROTFLOL!

But it is the truth and that is sad. How can someone treat a woman like that?

#185 Mark Holland

Thinks - now if only I could get a slave! Although I'd dress her like Rachel Welch in 1million years BC rather than in a bin bag.

I have that poster - very nice indeed.

So now that this smarmy, whiny prick is back in Senegal (and free from Italy's "oppressive" bigamy laws), what do you think the odds are that he adds another "black sack" to his family pack?

#186 Throbert McGee - Plausible explanation if that photo were taken in Senegal. They're still in Italy; she can grab the kid, pitch the sack and run before her prick husband pulls the Alfred Molina Not Without My Daughter shit. She knows exactly what she's gotten herself into and, for whatever reason, she's going along with it.

I'm sorry if my posts keeps popping up in this thread, but that picture just continues to claw at me. Why would any "reasonable" person think that "constructive dialogue" can be had with one who believes it normal to treat a woman in that fashion???

Its almost like the straw that broke the camels back--I had accepted that they hated the Jews (I don't mean I had APPROVED of it, I just mean that I had mentally checked that one off the list). Similarly, I had accepted that they hated the West. Then the US. Then Europe. But good God, they hate THEMSELVES, they hate "their" women, they just hate and hate and hate and hate. And at the end of the day, we're supposed to "understand" their differences as merely "cultural"???

Engineer, you still have posters on your bedroom wall? :-)

Hobgoblin:

If GI Joe is being sarcastic, he/she/it is so droll and dry he/she/it is dust. ( See Moderate Muslim Pipes thread)

#130 gijoe 11/25/2003 01:23PM PST

wow how racist!
keep feeding the fire of muslim anger LGF...

how about graph chart showing how mean and tight jews are?
or maybe nose size?

if you are better than your enemy you must not mimic the tatics they use..
otherwise you become your enemy.

Ed,

Yep, I'm still batting 0.000 on the troll-DAR. First "Proud German," now, the Greatest American Hero. Man, I'm just going to give up.

Please enlighten us as to the non-judgemental, culturally sensitive way to describe the large, dark bag the woman in the photo is wearing.

Let me take a stab at it:

'Voluminous, container-like vestment of dark colour serving as a cultural marker and alternative stylistic statement."

Am I ready to write for NPR yet?

#194 hobgoblin

Don't give up trying man...

What?! Over? Did you say over? NOTHING is over until WE decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

-Bluto

hobgoblin (#194)

LOL, you still hung over maybe?

183 fred from AL 11/25/2003 01:49PM PST

The article you linked was an incredible read. I recommend everybody read it. It's an inside look at sugar-coated stalinism that is political correctness.

Scary.

RIP Ford, thanks for the encouragement

zulubaby, LOL no, today I am well rested, well fed, and refreshed. But I still give these idjits the benefit of the doubt. I just remember what it's like to miscommunicate in the threads, and figure these people are more inept than me at written conversation.

I also have some suspicion that a forceful response immediately backs the inept person into a corner of sputtering incoherence, and then they become adversaries. I figure going slow on the flames at first might win some fence-sitters to the good side. Funny, I know, a lawyer who thinks like a diplomat.

#191 Flaming Sword

While I doubt your post was aimed at my response to gijoe, regarding "culture", I would still differ in that I do not think the word "merely" can reasonably be used to describe "cultural".

Culture is HUGE. As more and more is learned about the way the brain and personality are shaped by upbringing, even into the teen years, it is becoming apparent that cultural imprinting is permanent and life-shaping at an organic level.

It also operates as a selection device for the types of brains and attributes that are passed on.

FWIW

From the linked article at #183:

"...there was room for common ground and for civilized discourse. But not once the word "Palestine" was uttered, not when "Palestine" is seen as a symbol for every downtrodden group of color who are "resisting" the racist-imperialist American and Zionist Empires. Once the "Palestine" litmus test of political respectability was raised, everyone responded on cue, as if programmed and brainwashed. It immediately became a "white" versus "brown" thing, an "oppressed" versus an "oppressor" thing. The fact that they are women of color, womanists/feminists is all the more chilling and tragic. And unbelievable. And to me: Practically unbearable."

chilling.

The library of " learned books" behind the holy imam is drop down poster. I'm sure I have seen that particular drop down screen at Sears.

(Sears, a fine Zionist-Jewish institution, if there ever was one.)

Regarding the woman being in the picture - what's the point?

Fred from AL #200

Believe me, Sir, my post was a flame-out at trying to wrap my mind around any hint of "reason" to be found in the occupant of that picture (the Imam)--it was NOT at all connected to anything you had posted.

I share your sentiments about culture--I should have put the word "merely" in quotes as well as "cultural".

Thanks for your patience.

zulubaby

Engineer, you still have posters on your bedroom wall? :-)

Would like to come over and check?:-)

Funny, but true story. I have a rather expensive oil painting of a Chinese nude. Nothing actually shows, but there is no doubt that she is nude. A close female friend made me move it from the bedroom.

Would YOU like...

preview preview

arab street expression when contemplating sexual relations with an ugly female cousin fix-up marriage--"put her in a black sack and fuck her for allah" [no feminist comments please/its a joke]

This picture symbolises all that is rotten in Islam. Islam has no idea that a woman has identity. That is half the human race. Islam denies the existence of a woman as a sentient being. Truly despicable.

Then ofcourse all Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and Jews, are dhimmis or worse. Then in the animal kingdom, dogs and pigs are haram. I wonder why Muslims never ask themselves the question why their god created all such creatures and then declared them haram. Did he make a mistake?

I just hope we wake up and deport the whole lot out of the West before a real civil war starts.

#207 HULUGU

There are a number of hard core right wing women posting here. That kind of woman may very well be armed. In fact, somebody posted pictures of their automatic with pink handgrips the other day. Maybe you better start running.

moi?

Engineer (#205)

Would like to come over and check?:-)

Is that a variation of "would you like to come upstairs and see my etchings?"

#211 zulubady

Of course. What did you expect after that crack about posters?

Engineer (#212)

Well I just thought you should have outgrown the posters on the bedroom wall thing by now! LOL.

FYI
Part VI: The Rights of Women

Rights of a Husband over his Wives

Qur'anic verses and Hadiths are used by the IAD to explain the rights a husband has over his wives: [57] "The husband's rights on his wife are greater than hers over him." Another source states, "Men have a supervisory authority on account of the physical advantage they possess…" [58] It is also stated, "When the husband calls his wife to his bed and she disobeys, and he spends the night in anger against her, the angels keep cursing her till the morning." [59] In addition, "If a woman dies while her husband was pleased with her," it is explained that "she will enter into Paradise." [60]

[Link: www.memri.org...]

I see Arabs have a lot in common with the French, orgasm being "little death" and all. Except that as far as I understand, in France it applies to both sexes.

Why do so many black people always fall back on this "racism" crap? This is almost just like Jermaine Jackson and his modern day lynching farce and also this comment: "You got a bunch of racist, I'm sorry, racist rednecks out there who don't care about people." Grow up. Take some responsibility for yourselves.

Mr. Imam here should have realized that you don't call for your "own" countrymen to be killed. The comment kind of borders of racism itself.

And they can't all be that racist if he somehow wound up with an Italian wife.

...that Aisha, she's quite a looker...

#216 Kalokagathian

Why do so many black people always fall back on this "racism" crap?

Why do trolls who post "Why do so many black people" When their entire post is racist actually think they get away with such a blatantly racist remark?

Maui Girl?

Whats the point?

Imagine the warm nostalgia that boy will feel decades from now when he looks back at his mother in the family portrait.

"They are the
Nazgul...Neither living nor dead..."

When the husband calls his wife to his bed and she disobeys, and he spends the night in anger against her, the angels keep cursing her till the morning.

Must a tough job being a Muslim angel, huh?

Oh, wonderful. Now I'm thinking of the angel/devil scene in "Animal House".

This makes about as much sense as the Mexican cooking superstition which says it's not good to cook beans when you're angry, because it will make the beans angry too and they won't boil.

And they can't all be that racist if he somehow wound up with an Italian wife.

Love sucks. There is plenty of racist men and women who marry the very people they claim they hate. Relationships are more interesting this way.

to poster # 72 RIP FORD
Actually, the "Lay Of Sigurd" predates Beowulf in English lit. a couple of hundred years or so...

I can't stand that burqa s***. The scary thing is, the Islamonutsacks want covering of women to be mandatory.

I have long hair and could swear that I have been glared at by Muslim women and men for showing it.

Angry Frijole Frank IBC:

My wife's family as a superstition that if they look at a cute baby without touching the baby, they will make the baby sick. So you see a lot of Mexican-Americans touching babies.

What about Anglos looking at Mexican babies without knowing the tradition? The relatives have given my wife el ojo de venado which will protect untouched but looked at babies. My wife has even put it on our son "just to be safe".

My wife also has family that believes if a pregnant woman goes out during an eclipse ( without protection) the baby will be born with a deformity ( they gave my wife something one night during an eclipse, and she wore it ( it was a safety pin with something on it) "just in case".

I haven't seen it yet, but the inlaws also believe in the therapeutic effects of rubbing eggs on people. ( Unbroken, I hope).

I think that converts are known for taking things to an extreme. I am sure that the Italian wife could have shown her face, but she has to prove her ultra-Islamic credentials.
Isn't it Daniel Pipes who writes about how the confluence of Islam and Christianity has affected Islamic practice for the worse?
An example that he gave is the current demand by Muslims that non-Muslims obey Islamic law. Traditionally, the law attaches to the person in Islam, says Pipes, not to the territory as in the Christian countries - witness the historic phenomenon of the "Catholic country", or the"Protestant country", so non-Muslims were not expected to obey it. In modern times, Muslims are demanding that non-Muslims in their countries be expected to obey Islamic law.
This woman's more-Islamic-than-I have-to-be outfit is just more evidence of the folly of the uninstructed adopting weird interpretations of the law.
She thinks it's cool to adopt the most extreme form of hijab. Weird, no?

The first thing that popped into my mind was a line from a song;
"My left foot's bigger then my right one is,
It's a regular zombie hoof."

I guess Frank was way ahead of his time.
919

So can she use that photo for her Florida drivers
license?

[Link: www.exmuslim.com...]

"Women and Hijab (Veil):

There were two types of people who live in the tribe: the free and the slaves. There were a lot of problems in identifying a free woman from a slave woman.

Tradition tells us the story of Hijab: during this time of not being able to tell who was free and who was a slave, women would go at night to certain areas and use it as a restroom (there were no restrooms in houses at this time). Bad Muslim men waited and looked for the women, wanting to have sex with them. Mostly they were looking for slave women, because they do not want to have trouble with a free woman’s family.

Since that was really annoying for Mohamed, he decided not to solve the problem with those wicked men by tracking them down or punishing them or something. He instead chose to mark his women so the men know who they are and do not hurt them. So, he told his wives to wear a veil.

Later, almost every free woman voluntarily did that so they could avoid these bad men. Some slave women wanted also to avoid that type of rape, so they decided to do the same. The tradition tells us that Omar, the second ruler after Mohamed, beat any slave women who wear the veil because they are trying to show that they are free women. The outlaw men were not able to distinguish between free and slave women, so they started to attack anyone, even those who wear the veil!

Later, the veil evolved and became a type of Islamic duty for women to wear. It became a burden Muslim women never had before, to prevent men from seeing her beauty and cause them to sin because they desire her."

#213-zb--i have original art on my walls--and its not painted on velvet--sooo a big may west to you

the Droll Troll wonders about the skin color of the devoted mother hiding under that black rag.

To #186 Throbert Mc Gee and others who wonder about the imam's wife (the one in the picture under the burka) -

She had converted before marrying him. She is one of the earliest female converts to Islam in Italy.

The picture was taken in their house in Carmagnola, Italy, near Turin. Now they are both in Senegal - she decided to join him with the kids.

There is a bit about her story in this page from L'Espresso (in Italian) reprinting some older articles and interviews.

She is the second wife - the first was also Italian, and also a convert to Islam obviously, they all lived in three for a while then the first wife left and sued the imam for abuse and failure to pay alimony, he was condemned to a few months jail and a fine. The second wife is - at least from what she says - very happy with her role, she embraced it herself, she is not being forced by anyone. She works (worked?) for this "al-Mujahidah" magazine they set up. She considers herself a proud "mujàhidat Allah", ie. one who strives on the path to Allah (self-promotional definition, of course). She wrote essays on Islamic law and morals and women for the benefit of other Italian Muslim "sisters". She defends polygamy. And defends it as legal with the artifice that a man getting married once in civil law and then contracting more marriages in a mosque is not bigamous or polygamous, but only "adulterous", which is not illegal.

So this is not a case of "what Muslim men do to their women". This is a case of what ideologisation does to a woman who voluntarily and consciously and enthusiastically embraces it.

And both Mamour and her are very well-educated people. I don't know if they read all the books they have in that library, but they both speak from an impressive knowledge of Islam as well as of the laws in Italy and in other countries.

#233

there are plenty of well-educated psychopaths...

it's still completely sick what these people are doing...just because it's consensual doesn't make it safe or sane.

Ed al-Fattr:

In my previous post please replace "that makes about as much sense as", with "that makes much less sense than". I hope I didn't come across as deprecating Mexican culture in any way, just Qur'anic idiocy.

Como Agua Para Chocolate fan!

#175 David Simon (belatedly):

EWWW!!!

I haven't seen it yet, but the inlaws also believe in the therapeutic effects of rubbing eggs on people. ( Unbroken, I hope).

Sounds like something Dogbert would dream up. ;)