One of the few times I agree with bigel.

well............the only conclusion I can come up with

is to give them all visas to the USA....

feh

Are these guys roving correspondents for Paris Match magazine?

I take what the AP reports with a sea of salt.

"I wouldn't tell on a Muslim," Salman added.

Sure this guy doesn't work for the FBI?

I wonder how this ties in with the recent reports that most western press now covering Iraq are using as interpreters their former Ministry of Information minders (loyal Baathists all) and how that might slightly color responses to questions posed by reporters?

OT Bacteriological warfare against moonbats?

There has apparently been an outbreak of bacterial meningitis among the Miami FTAA protestors:
URGENT MEDICAL ALERT

Jordan of New Jersey Anti-Racist Action, who served on the medical team at the FTAA protests in Miami, died this morning of bacterial meningitis.
This disease is highly contagious. If you served on a medic team in Miami, or were treated by a medic, you should see a doctor immediately.
All others should visit the Medical Activists of New York website to learn about possible early symptoms of this highly deadly disease.

What was that quote from the Vietnam graffiti? I'll paraphrase it: "...an army of the untried, led by the incompetent on behalf of the ungrateful!"

Let's hope the Iraqis can take over their own mess in a few months and the US and allies can stand and watch on the sidelines. The best that can be hoped for is that during their time in Iraq something has rubbed off on maybe the very youngest generation and ten years down the road those influences will be felt. [I can dream, can't I?]

They're never going to be grateful--I can see that now. But the US and Britain and their allies did the right thing! Truly!

It had to be done and maintaining an eye on Iraq and Afghanistan and the other hotbeds of festering evil will have to be part of the new future until they subside again for another few decades.

We are like Prometheus chained to the rock of Islamofascism, doomed to keep suppressing eruptions every fifty or a hundred years.

@8...whoa. Gives new meaning to "dirty hippies" doesn't it. A moonbat medic probably carries as many diseases as the average NYC pigeon, and probably less brains.

.cant we just bomb them?

pleeeze,pleeeeeeeeeze???

#6 Robert Crawford

:-)

#6 Robert Crawford

Here's a knee-slapper - right after 9/11 a woman called her local FBI office concerned about a party that her Iraqi neighbors through that week, as though celebrating it. Instead of any hint of concern - or professionalism - as we in law enforcement are trained to exhibit - the agent she spoke with gave her a lecture on political correctness and the evils of racial profiling.

The FBI to my knowledge never checked out this lead. Never mind that a few houses down from the Iraqis, lived a federal law enforcement officer, who was applying to the FAM.

As for the Iraqi "police" - that would be like me not wanting to arrest a mobster because he was a fellow Catholic. What a bunch of amateurs. I'm embarassed for them.


#8 Shiplord Kirel

They don't call them filthy hippies for nothing. Imagine all of the herpes and genital warts that spreads at those events. That's why I wear nitrile exam gloves when I have to lay hands on them.

So the AP is wrong when it generally reports in Iraq, but is right when it reports something that fits the LGF worldview?

If you think so, you've flunked Logic 101.

And I vote for bombing (figuratively) Ploome if she's going to advocate genocide as the solution (see #11). Unless instead of "the Iraqi nation," she means just bomb the relevant Iraqi police station, and if so, then she must believe the AP.

BTW, I will acknowledge that Charles at least as shown a bit of skepticism as to the accuracy of this report.

Hunt down Hussein, kill him, and leave.

Leave the Iraqis to their own devices.

Their WMD don't exist.

Their militiary is shattered.

Let them choose between a new dicatorship or enlightenment.

It's ultimately their choice.

We can't do more than that.

Gordon
Do you ever get tired of being the village idiot? Look, this is simple, everyone here laughs at you. You're the "pet" troll. Only the new people give any value to your posts, then they read your second post and add you to their own list of idiots.

So the AP is wrong when it generally reports in Iraq, but is right when it reports something that fits the LGF worldview?

Can someone shut him up? Please?

#13, Hillbilly:

"They don't call them filthy hippies for nothing. Imagine all of the herpes and genital warts that spreads at those events."

My Mom used to tell me: "What's the difference between herpes and love?"

"Herpes lasts forever."

That saying of Mom's made me think twice about who I slept with.

Masturbation was a better choice than dirty hippie girls.

#17 reaganite:

Do you think this AP story is correct?
Do you think this AP story is correct but that most other AP stories from Iraq are incorrect?
Do you agree with Ploome if she has advocated that this particular Iraqi police station should be bombed?
Do you agree with Ploome if she has advocated that Iraq in general should be bombed?

#20 Gordon Village Idiot
Do I think you're an idiot?
Do I think you're a fool?
Do I think you're clueless?
Do I think you should be ridiculed?
Do I think you are truly, the most blind tool I have ever seen?

Well, I give that a big "yes".

Gordon also likes to discuss ploome with other posters the same way he tries to discuss Caton with me. ploome is here Gordon, why discuss her as though she isn't? You didn't confront Caton either and now expect me to pick up that argument for you. Slither away dear, like you usually do.

#20 Gordon

I say bomb Iraq, ONLY after YOU get there....

@17 reaganite

Does Gordon have the 'hots' for ploome? He's sure focused on her postings.

AP is a not-for-profit cooperative organization run by a board of directors elected by US newspapers (members):

[Link: www.ap.org...]

so its biases are not economically driven as much as ideologically driven.

Here is its code of ethics (for member newspapers):

[Link: www.apme.com...]

"The good newspaper is fair, accurate, honest, responsible, independent and decent. Truth is its guiding principle....The newspaper should guard against inaccuracies, carelessness, bias or distortion through emphasis, omission or technological manipulation."

hmm

On the whole, its not as bad as al-reuters, but then that's not saying very much. I give them a D- for their Iraqi coverage.

The Iraqi's are trying to organise big anti-terrorism demonstrtions on Dec 10th across Iraq. Let's wait and see how many turn out.

I heard someone knew an AP reporter who heard of an Iraqi plot to bomb Gordon.

Should I tell anyone?

#24 quark2

Does Gordon have the 'hots' for ploome? He's sure focused on her postings.

I think Gordo has the Oedipus thingy going, Strong women scare him and excite him at the same time.

#21 reaganite: Like your namesake, you refuse to answer uncomfortable questions. Unlike your namesake, you have the manners (in writing at least) of a viper.

24 quark2

yeah, he gets into a sweat, whenever I post....

LOL

(feh)

@23 ploome

*LMAO!

it must have been my pink semi .45

#23 Ploome

Your reply ducks the question. Are the logical consequences of your viewpoints too difficult for you to handle?

27 Rev. Churchmouse

Gordo IS a bomb!!

Gordon....

sit down

shut up

when does your attendant arrive?

ploome

I like the way he's always showing both faces at the same time in his postings.
He comes off so low key and laid back, and then he turns and shows the Mr.Hyde side.
Reaganite: I didn't know you had the capabilities of a viper. *lol

#29 Gordon

uncomfortable ? innane is the word.

Hey, how come nobody ever sees Gordon and the Iraqi Information Minister in the same place at the same time?

#36 quark2

I didn't know you had the capabilities of a viper. *lol

Usually, I'm just called a$$hole! :-Þ

39 reaganite

LOL.i dont think so.

@39 reaganite

Awwwww..that's much too common! You really should raise the bar on your goals. *lol

"I wouldn't tell," said another policemen.

"I wouldn't tell on a Muslim," Salman added.

Those comments, especially the last one, sounds VERY American/English language.

I have never heard anyone but American children refer to REPORTING someone as "tell on".

Am I off base here? Sounds fishy.

Oh yeah...

reaganite

Gordon
"Do you ever get tired of being the village idiot? Look, this is simple, everyone here laughs at you. You're the "pet" troll. Only the new people give any value to your posts, then they read your second post and add you to their own list of idiots. "

Good call! Took me 2 posts, exactly. ;)

By SCHEHEREZADE FARAMARZI, Associated Press Writer

Sche·her·e·zade ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sh-hr-zäd)

A skilled woman storyteller.

'nuff said

#40 ploome
#41 quark2
I'm very good at my job!

#16 Craig,

I agree with much of that except the "WMD don't exist". We don't reliably know that until the Iraq Survey group led by David Kay completes its work in 6 to 9 months, hopefully a little less: [Link: edition.cnn.com...]

The goals should be to eliminate the sadam regime (check) and eliminate wmd capability. The form of gov't for Iraq has to be up to Iraqis. if they want to live in a theocratic hellhole, or under a totalitarian despot, that's their business. If they want a democracy, they need to build it. Democracy imposed from outside is not really Democracy.

Adding on the goal of rebuilding Iraq as a Democracy has been a case of mission-creep.

#42 Unsalted Cracker

Good call! Took me 2 posts, exactly

Welcome to our world! Enjoy the ride, free of the PC BS!

R. Robot comments on genocide Gordon.

Hiya Hansy, :-)

Happy Thanksgiviing to you, and all the great people on LGF

I really love you all.(well most of you, anyway)

I, too, am pretty skeptical of this report. It is a quandary when we have known fifth columnists reporting on alleged fifth columnists.

The police may have been afraid to say anything different to an AP reporter, especially to a woman with what seems to be a Persian name.

It may be deliberate misdirection by the police, the good half of a giant "good cop_bad cop" ploy targeted on the jihadis (with the unwitting help of their press agents).

We don't know how long and how hard the reporter looked to find the police who would say what she wanted to hear, or what kind of inducements or threats were offered.

It may be a complete fabrication.

Even Joseph Goebbels didn't lie literally all the time, so it might even be true.
I wouldn't bet the ranch on it, though.

#48: ploome

Hi! ;)

Thank you, HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO YOU TOO, and to all LGFers!

#26 Anti-terrorism demos, eh? Like the ones in Turkey?

This is not Ms. Faramarzi's first appearance at LGF:
May 31, 2003

Also found these:
Iraqi doctors dismiss claims that Jessica Lynch was raped in hospital
By Scheherezade Faramarzi
(linked from American War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity)

Scholarship Fund for Palestinian Refugee Women (According to this 2001 article, "Scheherezade Faramarzi is a freelance journalist based in Beirut, Lebanon.)

Reaganite

Now be careful here. If you chase Gordon off we will have to find a new tame troll to show the newcomers what they look like. And you know how hard they are to housebreak.

We know that the Iraqi police are targeted by the bombers - targeted because they are seen as collaborators.
They are probably trying some self-preservation. Who could blame them.
OR maybe the reporter is also a Muslim and they want to show their credentials.
Who knows?
I take this report with a grain of salt.

I take this with a grain of salt, however, as we do have FBI agents who won't wear a wire when meeting with possible Muslim terrorists ( and therefore proving that worthless sack puts his pedophile god above protecting America from these terrorists) there probably are some policemen in Iraq that feel that way.

The only thing about finding whatever WMD and then leaving, you give either the Iranian terrorist supporters or the Syrian terrorist supporters a chance to help install leaders sympathetic to either Shia terrorists (Hezb'allah)or Sunni terrorists ( al Qaeda) in a country that won't be under an embargo on oil sales.

Can you imagine what Baby Assad could do with a few billion dollars a year in petrodollars?

I think Shiplord Kirel just gave us a glimpse at this reporters creds with her previous writings, I'd toss this one down as well as propaganda piece.

ploome (#35)

LOL!!

Actually #32 is even funnier than #35.

Genocide Gordon, shockingly, is a formerly important loser.

hans, how did you do that? I can't stop laughing.

#59: zulubaby

R. Robot is a "self-writing warblog"! :) You can insert a name in the field on the right, choose gender, and hit return - it takes some seconds, and a nice blog post is created. I've already created posts about some more famous LGF trolls - Ranbutan, view from Ireland, Convent Babe... :)

#18 zulubaby 11/26/2003 05:06PM PST

"So the AP is wrong when it generally reports in Iraq, but is right when it reports something that fits the LGF worldview?

Can someone shut him up? Please? "

Calm yourself, ZB - breathe! (Have bread with that air!)

Think, you gorgeous example of Jewish womanhood!

How can we shut Gordon up if he is doing our thinking for us? After all, his post argues from a certain mindset. The post is useless dribble if we don't all share that *exact* mindset!

Gordon must have used his powerful, patented LeftLobeListening device. The LLL device's powerful rays *must* have detected our mental viewpoint - which is *identical* for *all* of us, because Gordon *says* so! Brilliant!

Or else Gordon could use a short list of Horrible Logic Mistakes. (First week of Philosophy 101 would take care of that detail....)

(No BBC """ """ marks were used in the preceeding post. This post may not be suitable for all emotional ages. Please check your local listing for EA rating. Noo guarantee expressed or implied beyond the enclosed warrentee. Common sense not included.)

hans, that's so bloody funny! Gordon was laughed out of the room, I see ;-)

I hate when my smileys do that.

#62: zulubaby

Indeed :)

It's nicely programmed, I think, and I'm still chuckling over this post concerning View from Ireland.

The adulterers and leftists are showing their true colors, and those colors, having flirted with cunning and political are now unmistakably close to defeatist appeasement. Instead of constructing arguments based on logic, the multiculturalists assume that whatever they want to be true must be. "What's so civil about war, anyway?" says View From Ireland. Like a man twice as wicked as Hitler, View From Ireland believes in a wildly weaseling philosophy of smear campaigning. In the mind of View From Ireland, it's always President Bush's fault.

LightTower (#61)

Calm yourself, ZB - breathe!

I was very calm when I wrote that post. LOL.

Hans, LOL!!! This is too much.

29 Gordon 11/26/2003 05:20PM PST

"#21 reaganite: Like your namesake, you refuse to answer uncomfortable questions. Unlike your namesake, you have the manners (in writing at least) of a viper. "

I've never read anything written by a viper, she mused.

I once killed a 6.5-foot (2 m) viper inside a hutch, that had just started digesting my 4.5-pound (2.5 kg) guinea pig (cavy) boar. I used a dull hoe with a short handle. I didn't stop and ask the begger to write anything, so you can clearly see I missed a perfect opportunity there.

Blighter was shedding, of all evil things - ruined any hope of tanning his hide. I could have gotten a belt *and* a hat band out of him, too. The rotter. (He was probably shedding on purpose.... Probably a pro-zionist *wall-building* *bulldozing* viper, too.... Well deserving of repeated bludgeoning and head hacking....)

Oh. What was Gordan's "trick wording" loaded question set this time? I forget....

65 zulubaby 11/26/2003 07:44PM PST

LightTower (#61)

Calm yourself, ZB - breathe!

I was very calm when I wrote that post. LOL. "

But did you eat *bread*?!?

ROTFLMHO!

LightTower, LOL, no I didn't. Do I absolutely have to!? LOL!

#43 greenmamba 11/26/2003

Ooooh! Aaaaaaah!

*Like* the *ninja research librarian* mode!

(No AP """ """ marks were used in this post.)

sometimes i think--instead of putting a wall between the paleos and the israelis--we put a fence around the entire arab middle east and let them have a deathmatch wwf style with belts and chairs and drop kicks for allah--and be done with it--you keep thinking they're kinda sorta gonna get it and realize where their best human interests are--and then reality bites you in the ass and you have no hope with this imbeded social pathology that is islam and tribalism and shame/honor bullshit--and they really live in a parallel universe and we should be done with it--but they are as dangerous to the rest of humanity as ebola and we are the doctors of defense and the soldiers of enlightenment and we have to prevail over these dysfunctioal cocksuckers or we are finished--ever have thoughts like that?

Obvious questions:

1. What sort of screening is done on those applying to be police officers? Al Qaeda need not apply.
2. How can any police officer be effective if he doesn’t have proper equipment and training? This includes serviceable squad cars and firearms.

Some sort of phase out of US military and phase in of an Iraqi police force is a necessary part of suppressing insurgency. Also acceptance of these new policemen by the general populous is critical.

Clearly good police officers will be needed if Iraq is to have ANY hope of rebuilding and becoming a decent place to live. If Iraq is to be an example to the rest of the middle east of a successful democracy, then it behooves us to help create a credible Iraqi police force.

#69 zulubaby 11/26/2003 07:53PM PST

"LightTower, LOL, no I didn't. Do I absolutely have to!? LOL! "

Oy, such tzuris she gives, that zulubaby! (lol) Any Yiddishe mama can tell you that with everything you eat, you eat bread. With bread, you eat bread. Look here:

A Jewish young man was seeing a psychiatrist for an eating and sleeping disorder.
"I am so obsessed with my mother. As soon as I go to sleep and start dreaming, everyone in my dream turns into my mother. I wake up in such a state, all I can do is go downstairs and eat a piece of toast."
The psychiatrist replies: "What, just one piece of toast, for a big boy like you?"

See? And to veer back in the general direction of a generic lgf topic:

The President turned to one of his advisors, who happened to be Jewish, and asked, "How come Jews are always so well informed?"
Advisor: "What do you mean, sir?"
The President: "It just seems that Jews are always up on the latest news. How do they do it?"
Advisor: "An interesting observation. It could be because when Jews go to the synagogue to daven (pray), they always turn to the person sitting next to them and say "Nu?" (What's up?).
The President: "What? Is it that simple?"
Advisor: "I think so sir."
President: "Well, let's put it to the test. Take me to the nearest Synagogue."
The two board a limousine and are driven to the nearest Synagogue. Once inside, the President sits down among the congregation next to an elderly Jewish man. He looks around, then turns to the man and says softly, "Nu?"
The elderly man leans toward him and replies, "You know, I hear the President is going to daven with us today."
________

To be fair, I got these versions from a fine jewish humor site established by a fellow who calls himself Allan, but who probably doesn't call his own mother nearly often enough, and who should be studying for a degree in law or medicine, and who definitely should be eating more bread.

This report has the ring of truth to it IMO.

On the one hand, the Iraqis know that the Coalition forces are the only thing preventing chaos, so they want the Coalition to stay.

On the other hand, the Coalition forces are occupiers, so they hate them.

Like the Palestinians who sign agreements to engage in security cooperation with Israel and then openly state that they are not going to serve as Israel's protectors.

Or the Muslims in the American armed forces who worry about being attacked by Muslim colleagues whose allegiance to Islam outweighs their allegiance to the US, but who react even more negatively when heightened scrutiny of Muslim soldiers is proposed.

Is there some deep-seated cultural trait at work here? Arab, or Islamic, or both?

#52: All hands give a big Bravo Zulu to Shiplord Kirel!

I have to admit - even with the AP provenance, this article was making me nervous, until the "reporter's" previous little brown lawn grenades were linked for our edification.

IIRC, it was Ken Layne who coined the First Law of the Blogosphere:

"This is the Internet. We can fact-check your ass".

#1 Bigel- AP = Arab Propaganda

I don't understand how it would necessarily be Arab propaganda, what "Arab"agenda is it serving?What Iraqi policeman,already targetted as a collaborator,would freely admit to passing information of any kind to coalition forces, anonymously or otherwise?The policemen protects their lives and the lives of his comrades by telling any western media outlet that they are committing lies of ommission(or even commission) towards the "infidel".The terrorist targetting of local gendarmes is thwarted by this type of story.It may lend the appearance that Arab unity as prevailing over the democratization efforts of the "occupier" it at least takes law enforcement on the ground out of the crosshairs of lurking terrorists.There is also the age old issue of turf battles amongst law enforcement entities,nothing to see here.I saw a story about an irate Iraqi police precinct being prevailed upon by coalition forces to release 2 terror suspects in their custody without even a basic explanation.Turns out the "terrorist"surveillance team caught behaving suspiciously by Iraqi police were actually a coalition intelligence surveillance team.The published statements of the Iraqi policemen may be either interservice rivalry,SOP or a police infiltration tactic and not necessarily a betrayal.This article does appear to provide succor for the enemy on the surfaace but may be a better piece of tactical propaganda for the coalition in the final analysis.

Iraqi guerillas are disguising IEDs (Improvised Explosive Devices) to look like curb stones which obviously makes detection rather difficult. They are also using cell phones and pagers as triggering mechanisms which allows them to command detonate from a long distance.

Iraqi police walk most perilous beat

The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea. -- Mao Tse-Tung

Folks I don't mean to gloat but this is exactly the kind of stuff emanating from Iraq on which I am not surprised and we must be careful where we hang our hat!!

America did the right thing by eliminating Saddam and a potential threat....even if we have too stay there in some sort of permnanent fashion in the North amongst the Kurds that love us........

BUT, bringing democracy and its attendant freedoms is almost impossible to any Islamic country unless Islam is destroyed first............Islam warps the minds.....it makes people think the most delusional ideas and see conspiracies by Jews and Crusaders everywhere.....and I am talking about the Masses here........not a few people...........

And Sunni Arabs are the worse Muslims on earth save for perhaps Pakistani Sunnis.........

Folks........we can lead a Islamically challenged hate filled moron to water..........but we cannot make them drink from its fount of freedom...

We need to keep this in mind.........

In Islam, if she is not winning by the sword the muslim sees this as humiliation........but when the Great Satan...aka America, comes into 2 Islamic countries and essentially in a matter of a few weeks smokes them both with hardly any losses, well this is just too much for the Islamic pschotic mind to take....

We have done our job.......perhaps we can build some kind of limited democracy there but regardless, we still did the right thing........it isn't our fault that the Islamically challenged of the world are too blind with Islamic hatred that they cannot appreciate what we did for them.............here they have a golden opportunity.......and I personally believe that they will screw it up........but that is there fault......and Islam...........

This is why Democracy will be easy to establish in Persia........the Iranians in the millions hate Islam and even that ones that hold onto it, hold onto it lightly..........with that in mind, these are a people that will gladly by into equal rights for women, for religious freedom and freedom of press...

Thanks

Devonator

LightTower, I know those jokes, very cute :-)

One of my favourites ...

A man calls his mother in Florida. "Mom, how are you?" "Not too good," says the mother. "I've been very weak." The son says, "Why are you so weak?" She says, "Because I haven't eaten in 5 days." The man says, "That's terrible! Why haven't you eaten in 5 days? The mother answers, "Because I didn't want my mouth to be filled with food if you should call."

Similarly,

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Gordon #20:

Do you agree with Ploome if she has advocated that Iraq in general should be bombed?

Let's see:

Japan was torched to the ground. Occupation was a piece of cake.

Germany was flattened. Occupation was a piece of cake.

In Iraq, we bent over backwards to avoid hurting the enemy too much. The [bigoted word]s are now showing their gratitude by killing their liberators.

That's all the reason you need to bomb the place flat.

Even if you think that occupying the country in the first place and attempting to bring freedom to those... "people"... is worth the life of a single American serviceman. Which I don't.