just his humble opinion, eh?

Yeah right.

Remarkable. Just...wow. The good ship Delusion is out on the high seas of DU, I guess.

yeh, makes sense . . . so if his plane was shot down, Bush could appear again and go "ha ha, wasn't me"?

Imagine the fieldday DU would have with that: (1) blasting him for cowardice and (2) alleging then that the "new" Bush was the imposter.

yeh, sending a body double . . . that makes sense.

PS I heard that Hillary isn't really in Afghanistan. It's a body double.

Saddam Husseins Dr. gathers all his doubles and he says "I have some good news and I have some bad news.

"The good news is Saddam is still alive. The bad news is he's lost an arm".

Deathberg isn't actually typing this. This is Deathberg Body Double No. DBD993020.

When we DBD's get together, we are a force to be reckoned with. We're, like, Agent Smith, except with a mullet.

If the Resident had any use for vets aside from photo ops, he wouldn't have cut their pay.

And I suppose those werent real tears either... he must have had the Jews supply him with some tears stolen from Palestinian children.

#3 Jim

You heard that wrong...It was "she has a double wide body"

Oh, goody. More whining by pathetic cowardly little cretins who are too frightened to protest against really bad guys.

This guy is expressing what he would feel if he landed in Baghdad. Classic projection..

Thank you Charles. That is the best laugh I've had all week.

Damn these people are funny.

OT, but thats alot of explosives:

[Link: cnn.netscape.cnn.com...]

how much was used in Oklahoma city?

Pity the DU---people unhinged by hatred and rage; lots of spittle on the keyboard and monitor.

#6, Jimbo

If the Resident had any use for vets aside from photo ops, he wouldn't have cut their pay.

Um, he just gave them a 4% pay increase, you twit.

#6 Jimbo

If the Resident had any use for vets aside from photo ops, he wouldn't have cut their pay.

Is that why the(P)Resident just signed our pay increase?

Or are you just stupid?

Saddam has over 100 doubles according to the press and we have all seen the fat and thin Osama tapes...did W really fly into Iraq?

Ooh, good point. Two weeks ago in shul on Friday night some guy had a guest with him that looked uncannily like George W. Bush, which we all remarked on. Maybe he's a Doubleyou Double!

Now, now, people. Don't confuse poor Jimbo with pesky things like facts. That will ruin his day.

#12 Tupsox

how much was used in Oklahoma city?

Off the top of my head, OKC was around 4-5 times larger.

Well, at least the poster realizes that going did take guts. As it does for all our men and women over there, all of whom are there by choice (volunteer forces and all that).

And was that a Hillary impersonator in Afghanistan?

Here is the original DU Bush in Baghdad thread:

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

It has everything. Bush is on a soundstage in California. Bush used a body-double. Bush is a coward. The soldiers hate Bush. I hate the soldiers because they don't hate Bush. And on and on and on. It's hilarious and the seething is seting off seethe-detectors in the Himalayas.

Here are a few more threads for your post-Turkey Day enjoyment:

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...] (Asking the question that we surely can't answer: "Are most Americans Cowards?")

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there's more (lots more), but this should give you a sense of what it's like over there today. Many said that Bush's visit to Iraq ruined their Thanksgiving. Somehow, when I considered their loss, a tear failed to run down my cheek.

it, has been done before...

President Bush calls in the head of the CIA and asks, "How come the Jews know everything before we do?

The CIA chief says, "It's simple. The Jews have an expression, Nu, Vus Tutzuch (English translation: What's Happening). They just ask each other and that's how they find out everything."

Impressed, George W. Bush says he personally wants to go undercover to see how this system works.

So the president gets disguised (the hat, beard, long sideburns etc.) as an Orthodox Jew, and is secretly flown in an unmarked plane to New York where he is secretly picked up in an unmarked car and secretly dropped off in Crown Heights, one of Brooklyn's most Jewish neighborhoods.

As the president stands quietly on a busy street corner, a little old Jewish man comes shuffling along. Bush approaches him and whispers "Nu,Vus Tutzuch?"

The old guy whispers back, "Shh, Bush is in Brooklyn?"

Too bad the DU is fast becoming the mainstream of the Democratic party.

Pity the poor DUmmies, their keyboards are saturated with saliva and mine is all dry.

OT (kind-of) Little Timmy is whining again.

#23 dgd:

That's what is really frightening. There are elements in the Democratic party desparately trying to beat back the far left/socialist/marxist/green assault but they're fighting a retreating action. Kennedy, Johnson, FDR, etc. would not be welcome in the emerging Democratic party. I sincerely want the Democratic party to get well and get well soon. I think it's important for the health of the nation.

Unfortunately, what may have to happen for that to occur is for somebody truly frightening to get nominated and then get thoroughly trounced in the general election. This may yet happen.

Evidence indicates Jimbo is just another Bushiephobe.

True tales of heroism piss of the left because it exposes their lie that all men are craven cowards -- that no risk of loss is ever acceptable, no matter what the potential for gain.

Bush proves himself over and over again to be remarkable in his strong leadership and his energetic pursuit of difficult goals, and instead of a conservative president weakened by a close election they ended up with a leader with broad appeal and the will to execute -- nothing could make them froth at the mouth more.

#12 Tupsox

Ok City was estimated at 4,000 - 5,000 lbs.

The standard formula for a surface crater is

d=0.8 * (W^0.333)

with "d" being the surface diameter of the crater in meters and "W" being the weight of explosives in kg. Ok City was a 30 foot crater and there was an adjustment for the asphalt surface and the fact that the barrels were up in the bed of the truck.

#25 reaganite

Money quote: "It is not propoganda. It is the voice of dissent, which is different than propoganda."

In other words, what comes from the Left is dissent; what comes from the Right is propoganda.

And if you buy that, I'd like to direct your attention to the the world's tallest free-standing structure, which I have just decided to sell.

#25 reaganite

I saw this report on FoxNews earlier, thanks for finding the written article.

Notice all the whining from those doing the play, not those criticizing it. This was especially rich

Robbins had declined to discuss "Embedded" with Fox News until after someone from the channel saw the play. But even after the viewing, Robbins declined interviews.

Yesirreebob. Can't get Robbins away from a microphone when he thinks it'll be a chance to slam "imperialist" America, but defend himself? Answer the tough questions from people who were actually in Iraq?

shmok

#29 fred from AL
Sorry, you're wrong, OKC BOMBING WAS VIA EM BEAM WEAPON!!!

#30 scaramouche

I'm sorry the article didn't contain that brain challenged female's full comment I saw on TV.

(best as I can recall)

"It is not propaganda. It is a voice of dissent, which is different than propaganda. I think Fox News puts out propaganda."

#30 scaramouche
#31 Darleen

Little Timmy is going to start his whining big time when more people hear of his BS.

Ooops...repeat of report on "Embedded" on Fox News right now.

#32 reaganite

ssshhhuuussshhh.

Don't let the you know who's in on the you know what.

Hmmm... William LaJeunesse just mentioned something I hadn't heard before ... that when he and Marine Maj. Rich Doherty attended the play, an audience member called the Marine a "Nazi" and said he knew the truth because he listened to Pacifica Radio.

Someone cue the twilight zone theme!

In my opinion the really shameful thing about the entire Bush trip to Baghdad is how it pushed Hillary off the front pages with her trip to Afghanistan. I went through the entire paper this morning and could not find a single mention of her trip.

Shameful manipulation of the press and white male oppression.

/seeth /whine

So Little Timmy refused to let Fox tape the performance of his "play"? Doesn't he believe in the free exchange of information?

#25, Reganite

I especially liked it when they called the Solider a "Nazi" less than three minutes after he got there. The left sure supports our troops.

They are having the same forthing at the mouth problem over at CBC radio. It took them 24 hours to come up with a way to put a negative spin on Bush's trip and I'll bet they were up all night sweating over it. They finally found a way to do it by comparing Bush's trip to Iraq with Johnson's trip to Vietnam and playing Johnson's "We will never let you down or back out" speech for three times longer than they talked about Bush's visit.

Pathetic.

It is just as shameless over at Atrios's Eschaton. Most of the comments were in effect saying the troops that gave Bush a thunderous, standing ovation as he walked in were mindless robots, brainwashed or were so stupid all they could do was be in the military. The hate from the hard left seems to have no bounds. Truly sad and pathetic the opposition has become.

Prior to 9/11, when I was still asleep, I used to think that CBC Radio One was just about the best, most intelligent, most authoritative news source around. Not long after, I began to notice that its take on things had become rather skewed, and I couldn't figure out at what point it had changed.

It took me a while to realize that it hadn't changed; I had.

Need I say anymore?

#12 Tupsox

Check out this paragraph from the article:
"Shebanat was shot and killed as he fired at security forces from the boot of a car while Subaie blew himself up with a hand grenade, it said. Shebanat's corpse and Subaie's mangled remains were also shown on television."
I seem to recall US got a shit storm from the Arab media after displaying Uday and Qusay's corpses, since its supposedly "un-Islamic".
I am just SO shocked to find double-standards in the Arab media.
?sarcasm

You can't really blame the folks at DU.

Having never seen geniune leadership before, they don't know what to make of it.

i tried a single post at DU asking what hillary wore to her photo op and was immediately banned.

#43 scaramouche,

I had something of the same feelings towards NPR. It took one "All Things Considered" to make me realize how amazingly slanted their "reporting" was. It was just after the terrorist bombing in Israel (the infamous Passover bombing) that laid 90% of the blame at the hands of the Israelis, not those who actually paid for the explosives, organized the attack, detonated, killed, maimed, hated, etc. I knew I was listening to something that was objectively--and I am loathe to overstate--evil in its morally twisted view of the world.

I now avoid NPR as though avoiding a plague.

#47

i tried a single post at DU asking what hillary wore to her photo op and was immediately banned.

Heh. And people have the unmitigated gall to call sites like LGF an "echo chamber".

ahhh posts from Dhimmini Union can be so enlightening, they'll be in an uproar for weeks about this, you can almost smell the roasting of a new conspiracy.

#47

I feel your pain. (hee hee)

I jumped through hoops to get registered there, posted one comment in a particularly nasty anti-Israel thread reminding them that Israel had given back Sinai to Egypt upon a signed treaty, and asking if anyone of them had read the Hamas charter and I was immediately banned.

Nothing but a Leftist circle jerk occuring there.

At the moment, there is a significant internal conflict at DU between the site's old guard of hard-core leftists and a relatively recent influx of moderates.

Many of the moonbats have commented unfavorably on the growing number of Clark and Kerry supporters there.

To a serious lefty, Dean is not acceptable as a "progressive" either, particularly since he has the ultimate political Mark of Cain, a high rating from the NRA.
Moderate Democrats are asserting themselves in preparation for the Presidential election, and the red-diaper/pop-culture anarchist mob doesn't like it at all.

Keep in mind that there is a vast difference between the mainstream of the Democratic Party, or even certain fringe elements, and the Left of Chomsky, Zinn, and Indymedia.
The Chomskyites, for example, assert that Bill Clinton was a war criminal and naturally this would make Clark guilty as well.
With the right candidate and the right issues ("SA") the Dems can win next year, but they need to get the lid on the authoritarian weirdo element.
Many in the Democratic Party recognize that "inclusiveness" cannot continue as holy dogma to the exclusion of common sense, sanity, or (perhaps most importantly) any chance of actually winning.

The extremist authoritarian element maintains its grip by threatening to bolt to various minor parties, especially the Greens.
This kind of defection is widely blamed for Gore's defeat in 2000.
Ralph Nader denies this and I, for once, agree with him though for rather different reasons. It is becoming obvious that pandering to noisy extremists will alienate far more voters than it can bring in.
Incidentally, one Dem activist I know, an office-holder no less, refers to the radicals as "fruitbats" for their destructive and parasitic qualities, and recommends that alienating them should become a deliberate strategy.

It's called LEADERSHIP, demoncats! Course you aint never seen it before! It can't be done while you get serviced by the help in the oval office or turncoat on the gays in the military after coaxing 'em out of the closet!

The ballsiest move though, was by Mr. Hillary going to Afganistan. To go somewhere where you KNOW you are almost universally depsised (military) takes a bit of cahones! Where'd she get 'em? You know they didn't come from Bubba.

Euro-nazis on The Garbagian's talkboard defend suicide attacks on synagogues in Turkey and elsewhere:

[Link: talk.guardian.co.uk...]

LOLLL,DU morons

Just you wait until Howard Dean upstages Bush by DHL'ing himself to the troops on Christmas eve!

In the old days, politicians would pay loonies to support their foes with the kind of pants-wetting blither that fills the threads over at DU. Hiring dirty drug addicts to show up at campaign headquarters with signs supporting their opponent.

The left points at sheetwearing, abortion clinic bombing skinheads, and says "there is the TRUE face of the rightwing!"

But we all know, that's BS.

Sadly, many of the Dems - gainfuly employed, educated (and many in law enforcement or the armed forces) I know, take to heart at least some of the wackiest POV of the far-left. They all believe that Bush is formenting tax cuts for the rich, fighting a war for oil, deeply embroiled in the ENRON scandal, and STOLE THE ELECTION.

At the very least, the mainstream Dems are still just this side of the ol' iron curtain. The DUers might be blowing their wad in the wind, but they don't get those crazy ideas out of thin air...(mixed metaphor alert - sorry) they trickle down from the top...

...need more beer...next post should make more sense...

#49 addison

I still listen to the CBC, maybe because I'm a masochist, maybe because I want to be aware of the outrageous way they distort things so I'll know how to rebut it. And believe me, I've complained to them many times, to the point where I'm sure they dismiss me as an irate, right-wing nut.

On the other hand, maybe it's like watching a car accident. The view is grim, but fascinating in a perverse sort of way. Last night for instance, a host was interviewing the Israeli ambassador to the UN, and the disdain in her voice was palpable. He was talking about how the UN deals with Israel, and how it was impossible to get them to condemn terror against Israeli children when they had just past an identical measure about Palestinian children. The host kept saying things like, "but what about the occupation?" while the Ambassador patiently explained the UN's modus operendi when it comes to Israel.

On a show last Sunday morning, the host was interviewing someone who had examined every suicide killing in something like the past three years. His conclusion: Since almost half the killers were Tamil Tigers--secular Marxists--suicide killers by and large are not motivated by religion.

Today, while getting dressed, I heard another genius asserting that poverty was at the root of most terrorism.

Utterly clueless, comically so, but dangerous nonetheless.

Checked out DU a couple days ago- they were seething at Biden, Bayh, Breaux, Feinstein, a half dozen other Democrats who'd abandond the True Religion on Medicare bill- wanted to get rid of them all and replace them with" true Democrats." Pathetic.

And again, from nutella central:

Go ahead and click; it's pretty funny:

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

Excerpts:

I bet Bushie just flew to Alaska or Germany They never left the airport right?? Just landed the planed rolled into a hanger from there they went to the mess hall and back? The plane windows were blacked out the whole time so how can the reporters be sure they went to Iraq no other media that were already in Iraq were in the “Mess Hall” I say Bush was never in Iraq

Reply:

A DUer recgonized her nephew whom she knew to be in Iraq so you can take off the tinfoil hat. Unless you want to say that the DUer is really a Bush operative.

Reply to reply:

That doesn't mean they couldn't have moved the unit for a day. the relatives would have no way of knowing exactly where the troops were at any given time.

Really, I kinda love that place. It's cheaper than cable and occasionally funnier than Monty Python.

Keep an eye out also for a new influx of Military re-ups and new recruit enlistments from a direct result of Bush's Iraq visit. Big Stones has he.

I tuned in to CNN just as Nic-saddam-Robertson showed interviews with about 20 of CNN's Baathist drones bad mouthing Hero Bushes trip to your troops. I thought CNN stopped sponsoring terrorism when their big cahoona confessed to being a Saddam stooge?

Canada Calling...Fred Oliver

I still listen to the CBC, maybe because I'm a masochist,

Oh is that why? I thought it was because I've got this complicated alarm clock with a weird 'mode' thingie I haven't bothered to figure out yet so I could change the station. "Masochist" sounds so much better than technologically challenged. Maybe I should invest in a nice black leather pad to sit it on or something.

Of course if I really was a masochist I'd have my home page set in Indymedia.

Bush visits troops in Baghdad on Thanksgiving day.
Paul is dead.
Kennedy is alive.
Jim Morrison is alive and living on a commune in Montana.
The U.S. Lunar landing was staged on a Hollywood soundstage.

Can someone please remind me whether the shiny side goes in or out on my tin foil hat?

#52 (Kirel):

With the right candidate and the right issues ("SA")

Help the undereducated. What did you mean by "('SA')"?

Oh my, this is choice:

The godamm troops are CHEERING the warmonger Bush for christ's sake!... How much leeway are we going to give these cheering troops in the face of this evidence and be willing to take being called traitors because we cannot "support the cheering troops"?

I don't know whether to laugh or puke.

Comrades,
I confess.

It was me.
Yes, you have seen me in all today's newspapers' pics.
Of course GW could not go.
He's too afraid of us, the commie-islamo-fascist-people's movement.
It was me.
The poor, old, Poitiers-Lepanto.
I flew to Iraq in disguise (I cleaned the make war not love tattoo from my forehead).
But you are too smart, comrades.

Punish me, send me to Siberia...ooops...to a school in Cuba or NK. I deserve it.

I don't know why I did it.
Maybe to be noticed by Hitlery, who was flying around there...

Taliban are not becoming Democrats, Democrats are becoming Taliban. I don't intend for this to make sense, it just seems that the hate Bush Democrats are losing their minds.

#59 Jim in Virginia

Just what the Repubs are praying for, a bunch of left wing nutcases running for the Senate in place of the moderate Dems you named

Presto, a filibuster proof Senate.

#67 brianstien:

I don't know whether to laugh or puke.

Whatever you do, don't do both simultaneously. I won't go into how I know but believe me when I tell you, it is a very, very bad idea.

#70 dgd:

It's the same delusional people who still insist that the Jews and the Republicans (and the Hindus) got Cynthia McKinney booted out of office and absolutely refuse to acknowledge that regular, mostly Christian Democrats voted against her (and for Denise Majette) overwhelmingly. Hopefully, the self-delusion will continue (i.e. Hillary-Kucinich '04!! We'll be unbeatable!!).

Nice to see Bush picked up 7 electoral votes for 2004 through redistricting.

Here is a completely expected headline from Reuters:

Aides Prodded Reluctant Bush on Iraq Trip

The fact that the headline is completely unsupported by the story and the fact that the "reporting" in the story is about as informed and unbiased as the "reporting" of events for the Reagan movie doesn't seem to bother Reuters (which doesn't draw a distinction between caution/skeptical and "reluctant") one bit.

Perhaps it's time that Reuters is treated the same way that we'd treat Al-Jazeera; a conduit for enemy propoganda.

To those Republidummies who babbled silliness in answer to my first post, read this link and get back to me.

When I was in Southeast Asia (1968-9), had the then CIC visited on Thanksgiving Day I may not have cheered so loudly when he announced he wouldn't stand for re-election. (I think my timing might be off - chicken and egg sort of thing. I think the announcement was made before Thanksgiving - so far in the distant past...)

The point is - had LBJ come to Chu Lai, Da Nang, or where ever for Thanksgiving, the outcome of the election might have been very different (and I shudder). A visit to a combat zone by the CIC has a profound effect beyond 'in-country'.

I may have been luke warm on GWB last week, but he jumped several orders of magnitude on Thursday!

#75 Jimbo
You had Reaganite tell you that he just received a 4% increase and he's active military. Pay attention or get lost.

#76 Terry
Thank you for your service. I hope you had a great Thanksgiving!

#77 andrew
Jimbo's Dumbo's linking to SFgate from Thursday, August 14, 2003. That old lie has been debunked over and over.

He's just another troll.

#77 andrew
BTW, the pay raise is set for 1 Jan. And some folks will get up to 9%. I was at the base finance office on Wednesday and read the flier.

reaganite
Cool. Hope you're having a good holiday :-)

Jimbo Dumbo
Suck on this.

#81 andrew

Cool. Hope you're having a good holiday :-)

Not too bad, I'm on call so I can't really go anywhere, but it is a four day weekend! I hope you're enjoying it as well.

reaganite
After W's appearance in Iraq, my holiday has been nothing but smiles!

Let us pray that the views expressed on DU are the very far left of the demographic tail (> 2 standard deviations). I have never seen anything like that in my life.

Bush ain't perfect (nor his administration) but he has principles that he stands for unlike much of the world where anyone who stands for something is attacked.

When a civilization is driven more by being liked than doing right, it will surely fall.

I left Canada to move to the US because it is a beacon of hope in the world in this regard. It made me sick to watch the news coverage where every attempt to downplay the positive impact of Bush's trip was made.

I can only ask to those on DU, do you even have the tiniest sense of appreciation for the USA and the principles it was founded on?

My son called while I was on the road to tell me about Bush going to Iraq and I couldn't wait to get there to see it.
And honestly, as I was watching, it crossed my mind that at least one someone on Democrats Unstrung would claim it was faked.

They're so boring and predictable.

And to think they once called US conspiracy theorists!

Hey Jimbo, some of the boys have something to say to you...

Screaming Eagles

Jimbo, did you serve? If so when and where, lets talk. Do you back pulling out of Iraq? I am a Vietnam veteran and we will never abandon any military brother again. If you support a presidential canidate who plans to pulls out of Iraq or turn it over to the UN then you are a traitor to all of our brothers. If you are not a veteran or active duty then shut up, veterans don't need liberals help. In all my years I seldom find liberal Vietnam veterans. Most I did find were disillusioned union members belonging to the democratic party. They were easy to find, I was once them.

#60 Rayra

Kinda bizarre hearing you criticise the DU'ers for being full of hate and yet putting up your hand to drive the D-9 over the Pit.

You can't have it both ways.

I check out one of those threads last night, and it was amazing.

"Bush is a horrible bastard for going there, but it's great the Hillary's going."

"Bush only went because Hillary was, even though congressmen knew about this trip in advance and it had been tenatively planned for months."

"Bush is a worthless coward for not going to see the troops. What, he went?! He's a coward for going to see the troops, but not actually personally doing more and staying longer."

"He's a coward for coming in under secrecy and stealth. But it was wrong for him to expose the presidency to so much danger."

"We support our troops. Oh wait, no one here but us? OK, fuck those racist ignorant unemployable murderers! How could they cheer him?!"

"Damn the media for actually covering the event!"

"Bush never even went anyhow. It was all done with special effects and mind control rays."

Those freaks topped off what was already a wonderful holiday. Hell, even Hillary was shrewd/big enough to say nothing but good things about the visit. As mentioned, I've seen too that saying anything not hostile to the president can get your post deleted, your ass banned, and/or labeled "extremist right-winger" "Nazi" and or "Jew."

Then there was the DU'er that derided his elderly relative at the Thanksgiving dinner because she dared to mention this! LMAO, but that's pretty freaking scary. And all those who said they couldn't even eat or enjoy the holiday. I swear, Bush should egg these people on at every opportunity, saying things such as "I like puppies" "I think we need to keep fighting against cancer and AIDS" and "I love my country" just to get them staggering into the streets spewing hatred to anyone passing by.

Actually got to see the footage of Bush's entrance last night, and it really was electrifying. Even though I knew what was coming, it was really pretty special, and you could hear it in the crowd and see it as they were lifted to their feet. Speaking with the parents on the phone last night, they brought it up to me and just thought it was wonderful and something for the troops to smile about and remember. They keep up with the news, but I wouldn't characterize them as particularly political people.

My understanding is that there's a lot of things that go on in a soldier's mind when deployed. Feeling unappreciated at times, stress, exhaustion, boredom, and home-sickness. Not all of them, and not all the time, but it's there. All the little nicities and comforts of home that most of us take for granted really mean the world to them. I'm willing to bet that troops in Kirkuk and Mosul or wherever else got a real lift out of this, because when you do something good that shows appreciation for a serviceman, it's something that they all take to heart.

#86 Alan: I don't think you're going to be so lucky. Ever heard of Dennis Kucinich, Ted Kennedy, Robert Scheer, Molly Ivins, Maureen Dowd, Paul Krugman, Ted Turner, Michael Moore, Jesse Jackson, and on and on an on? It's trivial to name hateful hard-core leftists who are among the highest levels of leadership in the party, or are highly powerful and prominent supporters of it.

Another huge chunk of the party's voters is like one of those movies where the character's dead, but he just doesn't know it yet. Older folks, blue-collar workers and Southern/Mid-Western conservatives who are wandering around saying "Something doesn't feel right. I'm still a Democrat, right?" If these folks wake up, the party's toast or must reform.

#65 Steve

Can someone please remind me whether the shiny side goes in or out on my tin foil hat?

Per #4 here:
Again, make sure that the outside of the cone has a shiny side of the foil; this is VERY important.

!

;-)

It absolutely amazes me how people who break out in hives at the thought of BDUs or DCUs touching their skin or would hang themselves at the specter of a new draft seem to know everything about the military: how GIs are paid; the difference between base pay, combat pay, FHA, etc.; the difference between Active Duty and Guard/Reserve service; the particulars of the UCMJ; how GIs think; how GIs feel about President Bush.

/sarcasm

Try expounding on something you know about, Jimbo, and read and learn about the things you are woefully ignorant about.

#90 TomMoon

Heck no he didn't serve. Else he'd know the diff between the different types of pay I mentioned.

Jersery Girl: Thank you so very much! And in pdf too!

Anything that gets the DUmmies whining just brings a smile to my face. As someone who is getting ready to be deployed to the big sandbox, I can tell you that I can appreciate Bush showing up like that.

However, what the hell is Hillary thinking? She knows the military can't stand her. We know she has a low opinion of the military. And yet she still comes. Why? Because it's all about her, not the people she is there to see. Does she think this will boost morale? Hardly. Imagine being told that you have to show up at this twat's press conference and pretend to put on a happy face. Boy! We sure are glad you came to visit us, Senator! Because, as everybody knows, we love you!

And you're fooling who?

#71 Jheka

LOL! I'll take your word for it. We'll have to do beers someday and tell some stories.

What a sick bunch of barking moonbats.

Pitiful, just pitiful.

I spent a few minutes reading the rules over at DU. They are very up front about deleting posts or banning anyone who doesn't support thier agenda. I suppose they can do whatever they want, it is a private site.

That being said, they are nasty about it. I have even seen a few "moderate dems" posts that seem to be overwhelmed by viciousness and contempt by the majority of posters.

One thing for sure is it's going to be a fun election year!

Oh, the Bush trip was wonderful. He showed the flag, made the troops happy, the nation proud (except the DUers, of course) and stuck his thumb in the eyeballs of our enemies everywhere. I hope Sadam and Osama got to watch him from whatever sewer they are hiding in.

There was a time we could discuse the issues without the hate. It has changed and it is sad. It is my opinion that 9-11 changed everything in two ways. First, until that time President Bush was expected to be a complete failure. He came thru in flying colors and certain liberals hated him for making them look bad. Second, the enemy was defined as the muslim extremist who are the enemy of Isreal. The liberal elite cannot accept that Bush is seeking justice for 9-11 and also accept the war against the muslim terrorist is in Americas interest. One has to be hated, it is simple politics, the one to be hated is Bush. Power is the extreme motivator, the way to power is to destroy Bush. They use the extreme left to galvinize their hate. Blacks and gays are their center to direct ant-semitic hate to anyone who would venture into their domain to voice a descenting view. Disagree with them and you are a rascist. It breaks my heart to try and reason with unreasonable people.

Will this hate end after this next Presidential election, I doubt it. Like the Saudis, we are breeding hate of God and Country in our own colleges and universities and these students will always live among us. Their teachers will guide them onto a direction that someday may imprision all of us. Hate was never apart of American politics, now it is. I fear for our survival. When does hate stop and the bloodshed start. Time will tell and it is near.

Apparently the DUmmies haved pros working for them who moonlight as al-Reuters stringers.

#75   Jimbo

First, check the date of the story you linked. Second, why do insist on arguing with people who are IN THE MILITARY THEMSELVES??? Don't you think they know if they got a pay raise or not you idiot?

More DU comedy...

"Every single reporter that went to Baghdad with Bush should be fired by the editors of their papers. This includes Mike Allen of the Washington Post. They forgot that they worked for their editors. They seemed to think they work for George W Bush and the White House. They skirted off to Baghdad without the knowledge or approval of their editors, their actual bosses. What were they thinking? How could they have been deceived in such a way?...
It is a disgrace! This is a scandalous event. To pretend that it had to be kept secret for "security purposes" is simply rationalizing an immense mistake in judgement. How could they have been so naive to allow themselves to be deceived in such a way? Folks, this is nothing less than a scandal. If the editors of this nation's papers permit this to pass without some punishment for these guilty reporters, we are in much more dire straits than anyone has imagined."

#83 Reaganite and #102 NTropy
A question about the "raise." The Free Republic article referred to the Pentagon's attempt to roll back April raises, and Congress blocking that attempt. Logically, then, pay would remain the same as it has been since last April. Where did the "raise" come from? Legislation that didn't get any news coverage? Or is this a chocolate ration gambit?

#104   workin granny

Where did the "raise" come from?

I have no idea. I'll leave that answer to the people doing the work and earning the cash. My complaint is that at least two people (one of whom everybody on this board knows is in the military) say they got raises. Unless it's an automatic yearly COL raise I'll put my money on the folks saying they got it.

The demons of the right have been feathered & tarred, but the demons of the left are still respectable!!, Michael Moore is as fanatical, irrational & a hate spewing fiend as
the aryan brotherhood or KKK but is not seen so by the vast majority of the people. Its because the left has been controlling cultural & political discourse for many decades & do not realize that the control is rapidly slipping away to an articulate & energetic right. The more they are irrelevant the greater the hatred by the left, i wont be surprised if they resort to terrorism as one of the previous posts suggested, from gay bashing to blasting gays - you have come a long way baby,
the hate filled bigoted rednecks are in your camp sir.

OH NOES!! theys on to us!!

D.U.M.B.

If you think hate started under Bush, you must have been in a coma during the Clinton years. I had friends trying to convince me he was a rapist and murderer and that he had sold nuclear secrets to China (apparrently based on something that actually happened under Reagan).

The Rush Limbaugh's and Lucienne Goldberg's birthed the pretty hate machine. They hated a man because he held power that they desperately wanted and was a popular and pretty successful President.

Clinton was very moderate. I just watched a speech by Newt Gingrich proclaiming that if it hadn't been for the impeachment, he felt his congress would have been able to accomplish a great deal with Clinton, because Clinton was so willing to compromise.

The democrats hate Bush because they feel he is very partisan, has damaged our economy and our international clout, has gotten us mired in an expensive war which his dministration all but guaranteed would be a "cakewalk".

He is extremely secretive regarding both policy formation and White House documents, believes in an extremist neo-conservative agenda that frightens most of the free world, tries desperately to control the media by limiting access to all but a few mouthpiece organizations, cuts funding for useful programs such as college grants while massively increasing the amount of corporate welfare such as free money for the Hooters restaurant or billions of dollars in subsidies to already massively profitable drug and oil companies (which he met with behindd closed doors to help craft in shrouded secrecy what is supposed to be public policy), has rolled back environmental standards to allow cancer and asthma causing chemicals to be dumped into the water and air, promised to reduce the size of government but has created 721,000 new government jobs, and rushed through the sloppy Patriot Act which encroaches on constitutional rights.

All in all, I think dems have good reason to be unhappy with the state of affairs.

#66 ytf
SA=Our good friend, Saudi Arabia.

#104 workin granny

The Free Republic article referred to the Pentagon's attempt to roll back April raises

That just didn't happen. I used to have the DoD link that talked about it but I've since lost it since it was a non-issue.

and Congress blocking that attempt.

Congress did no such thing. There was never a "pay cut" in the works, the Pentagon asked for supplimental spending money and got it. That's the whole story.

#105 NTropy
As I stated above, it is the Jan 04 COL pay raise. The annual raise is by no means "automatic". Under Slick Willy's term we got "pay raises" which were nearly exactly offset by the cut in BAQ (now BAH) and other incentive pays. I know of at least three times that happened under Slick and when I got my "pay raise" my check was actually less.

#87 alan

I as an ex-pat canuck couldn't agree with you more

sorry #86 oops

#108 Situational_Leader

If you think hate started under Bush, you must have been in a coma during the Clinton years.

Selective memory at work. How did the Dems treat, Agnew, Nixon, Reagan, North, Bork, Quayle, Thomas, and Gingrich? Most all of these people pre-date Clinton's arrival. The dems have been playing this character assasination game for decades, but now the GOP has more means to fight back. The dems should be ashamed that they ever nominated Clinton, but they're paying for it.

#108,
If you had a geo political neuron in your importunate, perpetually whining head you would have had a glimpse at the kind of the transcedentally inspired killers you are up against, a terrifying reality, but no its still gay rights for endangered whales, abortion rights for heterosexual trees or whatever special interest panhandling fantasy you can cook up in your strategically illiterate head.
Does the phrase "extraordinary situations require extraordinary responses" mean anything to you..
"Cakewalk wars were the speciality of Blow job Bill" the war equivalent of "I smoked but did not inhale".
Listen Moonbat u are up against religiously inspired killers of a 1.3 Billion strong faith so if the reality is too much for you smoke one and dream about sept 10th

Tom Alday (#107),

From your link:

whirlygigspin says:

What a strange sad little website that is, seems to be a Jewish right wing,CBC listening ?!? group of Bush enabling Likudnicks.

Oh No! We've been pigeon holed.

OT:

Here's a story I can't find a better source for. It's on UK indymedia at:
[Link: www.indymedia.org.uk...]

It's title is: "Unemployed banned from Rotterdam", but it seems to involve various changes that affect immigrants.

Note the conclusion that the Fortuyn assassination was justified.

What, no mention of the Free Republic's reaction to Hillary Clinton's visit to Afghanistan? Where the moderator tells the posters, "I know it's going to be tough, but please watch the calls for violence against this creature."

[Link: tinyurl.com...]

#117 Scott C Smith

Clinton said she told the troops, "Americans are wholeheartedly proud of what you are doing but there are many questions at home about the (Bush) administration's policies."

She also suggested that the U.S. could eventually loose the war in Iraq, contending, "We have to exert all of our efforts militarily, but the outcome is not assured."

Despite her sour pronouncements, the former first lady insisted that the soldiers were just as glad to see her as they were President Bush, whose surprise visit less than 24-hours earlier was greeted with standing ovations.

"It's a positive for the commander-in-chief to visit troops in the field," Clinton told reporters, adding, "the troops [also] seemed to appreciate seeing myself."

Talk about out of touch. But hey, she had to say that - because nobody else did.

Scott C. Smith
What did DU say about the Guardian string calling for the assassination of President Bush, in which there were no moderator admonitions against calls for violence?

BTW, Scott, fuck you too.

117 Scott C. Smith 11/29/2003

I read that whole thread, and I didn't see any threats of violence against Ol' Hillary. You whouldn't happen to have any comments about what 'she' claimed that she told the troops? Seemed a tad inappropriate to me.

Once more with feeling:

http://www.house.gov/mthompson/press_release_Penta gon_Cut_Letter.htm

THOMPSON OUTRAGED OVER PENTAGON PAY CUT FOR COMBAT TROOPS

California Congressman Calls on President to Reverse Plan

Washington, D.C. - Congressman Mike Thompson (D-CA) is lashing out at a Pentagon plan to cut the pay of US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan by $225 per month.

In a sharply worded letter sent to President Bush today, the local lawmaker called on the Commander in Chief to reverse what he called an outrageous and hypocritical insult to our soldiers and their families.

End of fucking discussion. Y'all have been slam dunked and that's the begining, the middle and the end of it.

Charles, you need to make a basic choice about what you want this site to be: 1) A fearless beacon of truth; or 2) a RepubicHair Party hack site.

Jimbo, Jimbo, Jimbo.

Another article from August?

You're really starting to look pathetic.

Didn't you notice what several active duty military folks have already told you: rather than getting a pay cut, they're getting a raise? Or don't you even care about the truth?

Pathetic.

Besides, just as DU has no obligation to rebuke every gang of raving lefty psychopaths on the planet (assuming they are not in full agreement with these), we have no obligation to address the goings-on at Flea Republic. We sometimes do so; at our own discretion, of course; and for our own purposes.

(I was tossed from FR, btw, for reacting ratherly badly to a redneck buffoon who called me "jihad dude." He apparently applied this epithet because I was in favor of killing only some of the Muslims rather than all of them.)

What goes on at DU is reactionary even by Stormfront or the National Alliance's standards. Posters are not only banned for being openly Jewish, but slandered behind their backs in hooknose caricatures on alexa and lgf. As closet neo-Nazis, they're extremely sensitive to portrayal as such (unlike the aforementioned skinhead boards, where Jew-bashing isn't some forbidden fruit). I think the draconian censorship is what really eggs on these horrific displays; if they were free to just say "gas the Jews" they'd get tired of saying it eventually. Most dogs are quicker studies than these poor souls.

The only thing you've proven Jimbo is that you're a foolish tit with no sense of time.

Pay Cut for Combat Troops

Unless you've got something that's more recent than August, I suggest you quit making a fool of yourself...not that it takes much effort to do so in the first place. Wanker.

#108 Situational_Leader:

The democrats hate Bush because they feel he is very partisan, has damaged our economy and our international clout ... an extremist neo-conservative agenda that frightens most of the free world ...

So they believe there was more than mere storefronts of international reputation left to damage. Does this mean that, if Bush says one thing an the free world says exactly the opposite, the Democrats give the benefit of the doubt to the latter? Or is Europe considered even worse in their eyes?