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Dean's Howlers

Tue, Dec 2, 2003 at 3:50:54 pm PST

Here’s the transcript of Howard Dean’s appearance on the “Hardball” show last night, bursting at the seams with so much idiocy that it must be read to be believed: Hardball with Chris Matthews for Dec. 1. I’ll just pick out two real howlers to illustrate this man’s incredible superficiality and schtoopidity.

Howler #1, on what should happen with Osama bin Laden if he’s ever caught (which won’t happen, by the way, because he’s deader ’n a doornail):

MATTHEWS: Who should try Osama bin Laden if we catch him? We or the World Court?

DEAN: I don’t think it makes a lot of difference. I’m happy...

MATTHEWS: But who would you like to, if you were president of the United States, would you insist on us trying him, since he was involved in blowing up the World Trade Center, or would you let The Hague do it?

DEAN: You know, the truth is it doesn’t make a lot of difference to me as long as he is brought to justice. I think that’s the critical part of that.

MATTHEWS: How about Saddam Hussein? Should we try him in criminal and execute him...

DEAN: Again, we are allowing the Bosnian war criminals to be tried at The International Court in The Hague. That suits me fine. As long as they’re brought to justice and tried, and so far we haven’t had to have that discussion because the president has not been able to find either one of them.

It makes no difference to Howard Dean who tries Bin Laden? The International Court is specifically enjoined against sentencing criminals to the death penalty. Does Howard Dean honestly believe that the relatives of the 9/11 victims would be fine with letting a European court deal with Osama bin Laden? Does he honestly believe the American people would be fine with it? Was he dropped on his head as a child?

Howler #2, on what should be done about Iran’s Manhattan Project:

DEAN: Iran is a more complex problem because the problem support as clearly verifiable as it is in North Korea. Also, we have less-fewer levers much the key, I believe, to Iran is pressure through the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union is supplying much of the equipment that Iran, I believe, most likely is using to set itself along the path of developing nuclear weapons. We need to use that leverage with the Soviet Union and it may require us to buying the equipment the Soviet Union was ultimately going to sell to Iran to prevent Iran from them developing nuclear weapons.

Excuse me while I yell.

THE SOVIET UNION??!

This is a man who wants to be the President of the United States, and his idea of how to deal with Iran’s nuclear ambitions is to apply pressure to a country that does not even exist.

And notice that Chris Matthews lets him completely get away with this gaffe.

There’s much more jaw-dropping stuff in this transcript; his account of how he got out of the draft during the Vietnam War is also real howler material. Read it, and pray that Dean does get the Democratic nomination—because he does not stand a chance of being elected, spewing nonsense and equivocation like this.

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1 evariste Adam Selene  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 1:53:55pm

Foot in mouth disease, he's got.

2 j-damn  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 1:54:23pm

I can't wait for the Dean candidacy because I was too young to really enjoy Mondale.

I was also too young to really enjoy teasing Mondale supporters.

Excuse me for now, I must make the afternoon autogiro to the Prussian consulate in the Soviet Union where I have an important meeting with the Ambassador of Siam.

3 j-damn  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 1:55:26pm

Obviously, fellow lizards, I meant Mondale '84, not Mondale (slight return) '02.

4 Thom  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 1:55:29pm

I am soooo glad you put this on the front page.

Now how do we get the Deaniacs to see it? I know - post links in the comments section of "his" blog!

5 John Gibbon  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 1:57:21pm

The "Soviet Union" ......and this 'intelligent' man is the democratic frontrunner.....

But he does have a little foreign policy experience since Vermont does share a border with Canada.

Frankly I'm surprised he did not blame the USA first for transferring nuclear materiel to Iran.

6 ethos  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 1:58:24pm
7 scaramouche  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 1:58:32pm

Notice how quick the LLL is to dismiss a "dumb" Republican like Reagan or George W., but is oddly silent when someone on their side says something outrageously stupid? Must be because Republicans are dumb, but, as Democrats, people like Jhimmi and Hownerd are well-meaning and morally superior.

Or maybe not.

8 Kevin P.  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 1:58:33pm

I saw Dean's "spokesperson" on crossfire yesterday, I also didn't hear ONE straight answer from this person either except......Bush is wrong.

Well doctor Dean, what ARE your platform planks?!

9 steve miller abu ron ron ron abu ron ron  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 1:59:11pm

Don't laugh. Howard Dean is VERY LIKELY to be the Dem nominee in '04. And he will be PUSHED very hard by the global media as the safe alternative to Bush. I'm not saying this as some raving tin-foil--hatted lunatic. It's just that both are very, very likely.

Slightly OT: Heard George Soros' free ad on NPR last night where he said, in essence, that the Republicans in their money-raising were violating campaign finance laws, but HIS giving of money to the liberals was NOT violating either the letter or the spirit of the laws. So he gets a FREE chance to state his political beliefs on NPR AND donate money to the liberals, WITHOUT a peep that this is an unexcusable breach of non-partisanship by NPR.

10 andthenblammo!  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:00:07pm

I noted that "Softball" was shot at the JFK Government School at Harvard; that's Al Franken territory. That explains all the applause.

11 WestTexasJew  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:02:12pm

A drooling little chinless freak..
If the newspimps weren't so incapable of reporting these things, the country (not the psychopathic "Democratic base") would be laughing at that silly little man.

2004 will crush the Democrats.

12 Emery Calame  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:02:39pm

In our house every time Chris Mathews lets a dem, liberal or anti-globalist skate on a dumb or meaning less reply or when he asks a particularly brown nosed question we all chant "Hardball! Hardball! Hardball!"

We chant that quite a bit as you can probably guess.

13 Damian P.  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:04:15pm

Hey, I'm willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt on the "Soviet Union" thing. At his age, I'd say he's just so used to saying it that anything else doesn't seem right. (In the same way, Nissans will always be "Datsuns" to my father.)

The thing is, can you imagine the outcry if Bush made a speech in which he referred to the "Soviet Union"?

14 Ger  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:05:41pm

What do you expect from a candidate with supporters like this nitwit?

(I'd simply post the pic here, but I gots no hosting)

15 ethos  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:07:17pm

bwaaahaaahaaaa!

love this pic of Dean: you know what they say: a picture is worth a thousand angry slobs:

[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]

16 Dave J.  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:07:20pm

The "Soviet Union" thing doesn't really bother me--I mean, of course he knows that it is Russia we are talking about, not the USSR. No biggie--he made a gaffe, and that's about it. (Of course if Bush said it, we'd never hear the end of it.) The "hey, let's try bin Laden in the Hague," though, is way off, and for him to suggest that shows that his hubris has gotten the better of him, and further reveals he's got no shot. If he lacks the political sense to see how a comment like that is going to play, then he's got even less of a chance than I thought.

17 Deathberg  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:07:56pm

Who's Dean's speechwriter? Yakov Smirnoff?

18 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:09:19pm

I am suprised at Chris Matthews. He didn't even touch on the really pressing issues of the day, such as the conflicts surrounding the regions of Bactria and Pashtunistan. And what would Mr. Dean do about the missiles currently being developed by Persia.

19 Kevin P.  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:10:30pm

I'm sorry, but I'm going to do it; LMAO

A thread from DUh-og shiite central; [Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

I think this of the DUmbiecrats;

5. Nader's shot his wad- He's done; stick a fork in him.
File him in the 'fool me once...' category. All that's left is smoke and mirrors.
He will be a non-issue next November; bank on it.

Sounds just LIKE the demonrat party.......smoke and mirrors!

(Subliminal message? "All that's left is smoke and mirrors." Fruedian slip?)

20 Reginleif the Valkyrie  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:10:35pm

#14, Ger: Kathy Flake, who organizes house parties for presidential candidate Howard Dean... (my emphasis)

Nuff sed.

21 ak (who's certainly not at the  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:11:44pm

Personally I can't stomach Dean. I shutter to think the s.o.b. "could" become president.

22 ak (,,, "W" hatefest!)  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:13:28pm

:0

23 One of These Days...  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:14:52pm

Bush's Gubanatorial Records

Can someone find me Dean's records? Why the secrecy doc? I HOPE Dean gets the nomination. I would love to watch this asshole go up in smoke in 04' right in front of our eyes.

24 tomcat  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:15:59pm

The Republicans are just itching for him to run against Bush with Wide Happy Faces.

25 Glen Wishard  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:16:41pm
We need to use that leverage with the Soviet Union ...

!!!!!!???

Acid flashback! Acid flashback on national TV!

Don't be hard on poor old Howard Dean, though. He doesn't know he's running for president. He thinks he's Eugene McCarthy's campaign manager.

26 The Real Travis!  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:17:01pm

#19 Kevin P.

Can you or anyone else tell me what "freepers" that the DUhs always call us means?

27 iowahawk  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:17:04pm

Then there was this howler, as the Lil' Feisty Granolafuhrer outlined his plan to crush media dissent...


"The essence of capitalism, which the right-wing never understands -- it always baffles me -- is, you got to have some rules," Dean explained to Matthews and students at Harvard.
MATTHEWS: Well, would you break up GE?
(APPLAUSE)
DEAN: I can`t -- you...
MATTHEWS: GE just buys Universal. Would you do something there about that? Would you stop that from happening?
DEAN: You can`t say -- you can`t ask me right now and get an answer, would I break up X corp...
MATTHEWS: We`ve got to do it now, because now is the only chance we can ask you, because, once you are in, we have got to live with you.
(LAUGHTER)
DEAN: No.
MATTHEWS: So, if you are going to do it, you have got to tell us now.
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: Are you going to break up the giant media enterprises in this country?
DEAN: Yes, we`re going to break up giant media enterprises. That doesn`t mean we`re going to break up all of GE.
What we`re going to do is say that media enterprises can`t be as big as they are today. I don`t think we actually have to break them up, which Teddy Roosevelt had to do with the leftovers from the McKinley administration.
Dean explained how "11 companies in this country control 90 percent of what ordinary people are able to read and watch on their television. That`s wrong. We need to have a wide variety of opinions in every community. We don`t have that because of Michael Powell and what George Bush has tried to do to the FCC."
Matthews continued:
"Would you break up Fox?"
(LAUGHTER)
MATTHEWS: I`m serious.
DEAN: I`m keeping a...
MATTHEWS: Would you break it up? Rupert Murdoch has "The Weekly Standard." It has got a lot of other interests. It has got "The New York Post." Would you break it up?
DEAN: On ideological grounds, absolutely yes, but...
(LAUGHTER)
MATTHEWS: No, seriously. As a public policy, would you bring industrial policy to bear and break up these conglomerations of power?
DEAN: I don`t want to answer whether I would break up Fox or not, because, obviously
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: Well, how about large media enterprises?
DEAN: Let me -- yes, let me get...
(LAUGHTER)
DEAN: The answer to that is yes.
I would say that there is too much penetration by single corporations in media markets all over this country. We need locally-owned radio stations. There are only two or three radio stations left in the state of Vermont where you can get local news anymore. The rest of it is read and ripped from the AP.
MATTHEWS: So what are you going to do about it? You`re going to be president of the United States, what are you going to do?
DEAN: What I`m going to do is appoint people to the FCC that believe democracy depends on getting information from all portions of the political spectrum, not just one.
28 RIP Ford  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:19:51pm

#2 j-damn

Excuse me for now, I must make the afternoon autogiro to the Prussian consulate in the Soviet Union where I have an important meeting with the Ambassador of Siam.

LMAO!

29 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:20:02pm

Guys and gals, why the hostility towards. He just wants to take our country back from the oppressive regime, all with an upbeat tempo.
I know it makes me want to smoke a bowl and do some lines or X and then hit the club.

Oh hell man. Wake up. We supposed to do that thing today man, you know, vote man.

30 Model4  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:20:09pm

Much bigger gaff on a morning show. Dean said that he would unseal his Vermont records once Bush unseals his from his stint as governor of Texas. Went on to explain how Bush's records are under seal at his father's library for the next 50 years. The problem? Bush's records are not sealed and are available to the public. So now Dean's opponents in both parties can call him out in public to live up to his explicit promise, which I don't think he will.

------------
Awesomeness from Matthews:

DEAN: You can`t say -- you can`t ask me right now and get an answer, would I break up X corp...

MATTHEWS: We`ve got to do it now, because now is the only chance we can ask you, because, once you are in, we have got to live with you.


-----------------
I'm not bothered by the Soviet thing, probably just a reflex. But as mentioned, tuck it away for future gaffs from pols you support that get played up endlessly by the lib press. Bill Crystal tonight said he worked for Quayle, and said he'd have liked it if people were bending over to excuse things Dan had said.

#9 steve miller abu ron ron ron abu ron ron: Can you elaborate what you mean by "free ad." I know that's pretty self-explanatory, but do you mean an interview? Or did he make a donation for a spot? Not sure how this worked itself out.

31 Skookumchuk  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:20:36pm
And what would Mr. Dean do about the missiles currently being developed by Persia.

Well, if the Dukes of Muscovy want to sell plutonium to the Persians, we simply offer them double the price and buy it ourselves instead. According to Chris Matthews and Howie, problem solved.

32 LightTower  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:20:52pm

I already commented on the "ties" that "bind" the "new" Russia to the "old" union. (Huh - lookee there, I wore out my " key....)

Speaking of ridiculous language, I searched but found nothing in lgf on PETA's edgy comparison of chickens to Holocaust victims last February. (Sorry if you've seen it before. Maybe sorrier if it is news - but it *is* a sterling example of dumb that Mr. Dean has yet to plummet into....)

FooLLLish LLLanguage happens.

Foolish ideas and nonplans for important possible events, those are harder to swallow. If my place unexpectedly catches fire, I know exactly how to exit various ways. If the armed forces captures alleged felons that they are *actively looking for even as I type,* Mr. Dean has less than one clue to rub together.

"DEAN: I don’t think it makes a lot of difference. I’m happy..."

Scary.

(#17 Deathberg - LOL - but Mr. Smirnov is funnier - and on purpose, too....)

33 Kevin P.  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:21:10pm

#26 The Real Travis!

Anyone, right

34 Goldenwebb  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:21:23pm

OT

Apologies to anyone who's already posted this, but this is just nuttier than . . . well, just about anything I've ever heard of:

Palestinian Baby Born in Bethlehem Draws Crowds

I was born with a birthmark down the center of my forehead. It's mostly faded away, but whenever my face flushes with blood, you can see it. It happens to be shaped like the state of Israel circa 1968.

No kidding.

35 scaramouche  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:24:29pm

#30 Model4

Excuse my ignorance but what's supposed to be in Dean's sealed Vermont documents?

36 One of These Days...  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:24:36pm

#27 iowahawk


"The essence of Communi... I mean uhhh Capitalism, which the right-wing never understands -- it always baffles me -- is, you got to have some rules,"...........

I don't see how this spineless little bitch could even manage to reign in the lawless territory of Vermont.

37 soy_yanqui  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:24:47pm

Funny how Bush's being governor of Texas still constituted "inexprience" to hold the office of the Presidency in the eyes of the left, yet the carpetbagging governor of Vermont is supposedly more thanqualified to be the leader of the free world....

38 Model4  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:25:15pm

#27 iowahawk: LMAO! He shoots, he scores! Another devastating parody of how screwed up and unprincipled Dean probably is.

What?! That's an actual verbatim exchange?!
(Tears of mirth rolling down my cheeks)Good one on Granolafuhrer though. Heh.

Oh man will we see some paint-huffing trolls in this thread (sigh).

39 iowahawk  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:25:59pm

#34 Goldenwebb:

That Palestinian baby's birthmark? Sorta looks like the Virgin Mary dancing with Elvis. I saw that same shape in a Tortilla in El Paso once.

40 up-Abu's Wahzoo  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:26:46pm

Dean:

Here is the interesting thing about this foreign policy stuff

.... i guess that pretty well sums it up. LOL

41 Gary of Carlsbad  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:27:16pm

Dean sounds more like Kucinich every day.

"...democracy depends on getting information from all portions of the political spectrum..."?

I wonder if he reads LGF. His view on media monopoly dates from the same period as the Soviet Union: it pre-dates the internet.

42 Kevin P.  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:29:28pm

#34 Goldenwebb


MY birthmark looks like a little foot, right in the center of my back. Damn if I don't feel like I have been stepped on my whole life! NO Kidding! LMFAO

43 Stop Hillary  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:30:23pm

I was surprised by Dean's unqualified praise for Colin Powell and I appreciate having read it. If I harbored any doubts about the poor service rendered to the interests of this nation by Colin Powell, Dean's endorsement of him removed those doubts.

Dean pretty much said that if Bush had listened to Powell, we'd not be in Iraq right now. Dean is right and that's why Powell worries me. That's why Powell will become a Democrat shortly after Bush gives him the heave ho in 2005.

44 Rashomon  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:30:26pm

Dean's major gaffe was that he doesn't want to try bin-Laden in an American court. Clearly, the Hague would be softer than most people in America.

His Soviet quip was boneheaded from a semantic / historical/ geocraphic point of view yes but his overall point was not. The area known as the former Soviet Union could pose a problem if their nuclear weapons get into the hands of Iran or any terrorists in the region.
Time will tell if Dean gets the nomination. Goodness knows Bush made a few gaffes and he still became President.

I thought it humorous when Matthews said:

MATTHEWS: Is the president as commander in chief responsible for [the] failure to catch bin Laden? I mean, he is six foot eight. He’s on dialysis and he’s riding a mule. Why can’t we catch this guy?

45 Model4  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:31:39pm

Wonder if someone will ask Dean about the prospect of al Qaeda using WMDs like greek fire or trebuchets against us or our allies.

#35 scaramouche: I don't know, no one really does (that's spoken about it). But he's taken measures out of the norm for such situations extending the length expressly for the purpose of future political runs. Now he's claiming that it's to protect the privacy of people he's had dealings with, but in such releases, the other parties names would usually be blanked out.

And he's flat out said to the nation today that he'd release his records if Bush released his. Bush's are available to the public. We'll see what Howie does.

46 Targetpractice, King of the Britons  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:31:55pm

Alright, let me see if I got this right. During his entire campaign and the early years of his presidency, the media wouldn't stop laughing everytime Dubya said the wrong word or said "nu-cu-lar."

Then they had a fun time making fun of Ahnold's speech patterns. They grilled him over his comments about Hitler and then had a field day whenever another woman claimed to have been harrassed by him.

But their response to Dean mistakenly saying "the Soviet Union"? Or to his belief that Osama and Saddam should be "brought to justice" before the International Court? None, because they're too busy cooking up the latest "Bush = Hitler" story and/or fighting over the latest corpse outta Iraq. And don't forget praising the "Geneva Accords."

47 Dennis  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:32:26pm

Is this the interview where he says that Bush was tipped off by the Saudis about 9-11?

48 ethos  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:34:02pm

Funny (okay not really funny - more like, sickening) how democrats (hypocrats) like to say they are for "diversity", when it is obvious they want to STOP any and all ideological diversity in the media.
According to these arrogant uber-libs, mainstream liberal media control and bias is fine and dandy.
(We all know liberals control the media- ABC, CBS,NBC, CNN, Newsweek, Time, NY times, LA Times, et al.) with theri constant editorials masquerading as news... YET one little right-of-center media outlet (which provides some diversity) FOX News - needs to be stopped.

Scary stuff.

The left likes to call Bush Hitler. This is a severe case of projection as the uber-libs are the real Nazis.

49 iowahawk  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:34:28pm

Model 4 -

Dean deserves one of those political nicknames like "Tippecanoe" or "The Happy Warrior", but I'm not sure "Granolafuhrer" really cuts it. Some other possibilities...

Dr. MetroKleagular
Old Ironspleen
Scary Garcia
Phish Phucker
Imam WavyGravy
Gravity's Raingutter

50 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:35:01pm

#31 Skookumchuck

Well, if the Dukes of Muscovy want to sell plutonium to the Persians, we simply offer them double the price and buy it ourselves instead. According to Chris Matthews and Howie, problem solved.

But wouldn't that jeapordize the fragile balance of power between Muscovy and Transcarpathia. Not to mention our continuing financial support of Serendib. It may also wreak havoc within the Abkhazia region.

51 steve miller abu ron ron ron abu ron ron  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:37:27pm

re: Soros - he was explaining his donation to liberal causes against George W. Bush. He felt that NPR had unfairly slammed him by mentioning the inconvenient facts that (a) George S. was donating to liberal causes and (b) George S. didn't like Bush. So George S. got a free reply to say whatever he wanted, and he used it as a campaign ad against Bush and the Republicans. "They get money from people who want influence - that's BAD! I gave money to people because I want influence - that's GOOD!"

52 mbruce  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:37:34pm

D'ya think the Dems are so sure that they can steal the next election ,or at least gum it up,that they don't care who they put up?Or do they just not care anymore?

53 Rayra Garcia O'Kelly Davis  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:38:09pm
#3 j-damn 12/2/2003 03:55PM PST
Obviously, fellow lizards, I meant Mondale '84, not Mondale (slight return) '02.

Heck, I thought you meant McGovern '72.

Better keep a Good Long List of Dean-isms, we'll need them after the Dem Primary, to ensure his crushing defeat (he's losing anyway, but the Dem party as it is now constituted needs a stake through its foul Leftist heart.

54 Thom  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:39:10pm

#35 scaramouche

See here. The comments at around #56 get into Bush's records and what are in Dean's sealed records.

55 bigel[deleted]  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:39:13pm
56 Rayra Garcia O'Kelly Davis  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:39:26pm
#26 The Real Travis! 12/2/2003 04:17PM PST
Can you or anyone else tell me what "freepers" that the DUhs always call us means?

As they generally overuse it, pretty much anyone to the Right of Karl Marx.

57 MonkeyPants  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:40:35pm

The Democrats are doomed.

58 Model4  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:41:12pm

Interesting thought, but I'd like to see what Bush's popularity/re-elect numbers are one week before the Dems settle on a candidate, and one week after. Once the polls are no longer asking about "your fictitious ideal Democrat candidate," things should get fun.

59 Rayra Garcia O'Kelly Davis  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:42:50pm
#31 Skookumchuk 12/2/2003 04:20PM PST
And what would Mr. Dean do about the missiles currently being developed by Persia.

Well, if the Dukes of Muscovy want to sell plutonium to the Persians, we simply offer them double the price and buy it ourselves instead. According to Chris Matthews and Howie, problem solved.

bu..bu but what if the State Dept's internet connection is down and the eBay auction closes before they can bid??
/LLLoon

60 RIP Ford  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:43:17pm

#58 Model4

things should get fun.

The internet will be a messy place for the next year.

61 Nony Mouse  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:43:36pm

#26/#56

You did notice the links in the main part of the DU post that went to a certain [Link: www.freerepublic.com?...]
Thus Freepers, but obviously a touch overused.

62 The Real Travis!  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:48:06pm

#56 Rayra

I understand the context it's used in. I just want to know what it's a contraction of or an abreviation for.

We all know what LLL means but a DUher perusing LGF wouldn't necessarily know.

Freepers? Freeps? Proud to be one.

63 The Real Travis!  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:48:58pm

#61 Thanks!

64 IceCold  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:52:33pm

Iowahawk, thanks for posting the bit on the media ownership comments made by Dean. He's right -- there's an appalling lack of diversity in the reporting on major national/international issues to be found in newspapers and radio around the country -- the irony is, the uniformity stems from reliance on what are surely Dean's favorite news operations. Try finding a report on, say, a glorious and brave Palestinian martyrdom strike on an Israeli toddler in his playpen that isn't just a feed from the NYT, WP, AP, or Reuters -- with all the usual dizzying distortion. Dean's right -- the media suffers from group-speak -- but it's the group-speak of the alternative-universe liberal "elite".

One can stipulate the "Soviet Union" gaffe is just a slip of the tongue (OK, a quadruple slip of the tongue, on national TV), but the silly comments on re-regulation, the brilliant tactic of out-bidding Iran for Russian nuclear gear, the state records thing, and the sleazy innuendo on radio today concerning Bush and 9/11 start to add up. The guy comes off as a lightweight, or reckless, or both. No guarantee that will cost him -- though I think it will. His record as governor is arguably centrist, but it's hard to imagine his personality (including these verbal wildings, if they continue) appealing much beyond the base if this keeps up.

Best ticket for the media and voters' entertainment would be Dean-Clark. Between them, there wouldn't be a day without a howler, or two.

65 scaramouche  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:54:26pm

Take that, Dr. Dean:

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

66 Glen Wishard  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:54:40pm
MATTHEWS: Is there any way to reduce the hostility between East and West, the hatred that’s growing toward us from the East?
DEAN: Yes, treat people with respect and they will treat you with respect. And that’s in short commodity.
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

Wow, what a great idea. Anybody have any ideas on how we can treat al-Qaeda with respect?

67 Big L  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:55:38pm

#49-Iowahawk---Heck Dean's brain been fighting gravity for years--now itis a sombrero-shape and has globular clusters. Gravity's raingutter...
Off to the land of Liliput, or Brobdignag to see Gulliver returneth from St Petersburg....

68 Rayra Garcia O'Kelly Davis  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:57:44pm

#61 hit it, Travis. Free Republic and Democratic Underground are two sides of the same Ideological coin. More often than not, both are overflowing with irrational children spouting hateful gibberish. One LLL, the other RRR.
The DUllards exhibit their usual Projection psychosis when shouting 'Freeper!' while denouncing each other or anyone else they disagree with.
It is also an Action Verb, 'To Freep', usually implying the LLLemming-LLLike digital version of a Pali Car Swarm, whenever there is an Internet poll that touches an issue they want to blare about. Polls in neutral geographic regions, which usually only garner a couple thousand responses at best suddenly get inundated and show a gross disparity in voting results, and 5x their usual tally.
Rightist Freepers do it. the DU dipshits do it at least as often.

69 danny  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 2:58:53pm

I think Dean spoke fairly well. Bush wouldn't have held out so well in such a setting. But I couldn't believe my ears when he started talking about the Soviet Union, saying it again and again. I think Mathews and the audience were a bit shocked, so that's why no one caught him on it. Until I read the transcript I was sure that I missed the word "former" somewhere in there. I'll probably vote for Bush in the end but Dean seems like a good guy, although foreign policy isn't his strong point.

70 veebee  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 3:07:23pm

I'm a big goofball and I shouldn't be talking (somehow two languages do not happily coexist in my brain, and I frequently say one word when I mean something else) but...

This guy is remarkable! Should we start collecting Deanisms?

71 Tatterdemalian  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 3:09:56pm

He's not stupid, he's stuck in the 60's.

If he had his way, the Soviet Union would still exist, and we would still be following the MAD doctrine. Damn that Reagan for fucking all that up, just so our kids could live without fear!

72 Model4  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 3:15:01pm

#51 steve miller abu ron ron ron abu ron ron: Dunno if I can back you up there. NPR is dispicable, especially considering their funding, but if they criticized Soros' donations (good on them), it only seems fair (and good radio) to allow him to respond. Going on just that impression, I wouldn't blast them for handing out a "free ad" to a lib. There's plenty of other openings to go around.

#52 mbruce: They (Dems) are in denial and desperation to a large degree. Their core special interest extremists have been giving out and swilling far too much koolaid, to the point that they really think that the ACLU, PETA, ELF, NEA, ANSWER, ISM, etc are mainstream. A voter barely interested in politics who just cares that the country is safe and the economy is decent is "a dangerous fringe extremist right-wing neanderthal." So there's no way to persuade them that they could conceivably lose the election.

Some of the party leaders are in this boat. But others know they're pretty close to trapped. They can't afford to alienate the multi-millionaire (and billionaire) extremist individuals and organizations that keep the dollars coming. Dirty little secret, but the GOP (party of tuxedo-clad fat cats who use $100 bills to light their cigars) actually has many more small donors, where the Dems rake in the far fewer and far larger donations.

The Dems have also seen their peak come and go with regards to racial/religious/sexual divide and conquer. Jews have been waking up, blacks are beginning to realize they've negated themselves politically, and hispanics are becoming more evenly split. North East Catholics are beginning to push back, and Southerners are getting sick and tired of being despised and lied to, yet expected to pull the lever for the candidate with the D. Meanwhile, we've had millions of people join the stock market through 401ks and mutual funds, and these folks, crazily enough, like capitalism and want to see businesses, the market and the nation prosper.

So the Dems are stuck, spread too thin to keep the swath of voters from the fringe left to the soft center solidly in their camp. But, they can't afford to alienate the big-money/few-voters fringe. And to be honest, most of their rhetoric and ideology can be traced back to catering to these groups, and abandonment would leave them issue-less. Meanwhile, they've got career politicians and operatives who don't want to lose their power and income, so it's hard for them to make the changes that need to be done.

73 soy_yanqui  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 3:16:02pm

I think Dean spoke fairly well. Bush wouldn't have held out so well in such a setting.

#69

But wasn't Hardball shot in Al Franken territory? The N.O.I.N & ANSWER lemmings wouldn't have had a difficult time packing the venue

74 Baldy  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 3:16:20pm

#2 j-damn: I worked on the Mondale campaign ('84), only a very minor player, and I was sure he was going to win. Of course, I was a pothead.

75 ethos  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 3:18:53pm

Raingutter blues...

But then, who knew Gephardt had such a large...

[Link: www.rightwingnews.com...]

76 RIP Ford  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 3:19:22pm

#74 Baldy

I worked on the Mondale campaign ('84), only a very minor player,

The first step, in our twelve step program, was admitting that you had a problem.

Good on ya.

77 Gazza  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 3:22:11pm

I think Dean can't come to grips that Russia is no longer the Soviet Union.

78 hcq  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 3:24:14pm

I don't see how this spineless little bitch could even manage to reign in the lawless territory of Vermont.

Clearly you've never lived in Vermont. During the last quarter of the last century (although it started with the Rockefellers and Woodstock), the place was overrun, first with hippies, then with gentrifying nouveau-riche LLL. to the point that third- and fourth-generation "ayuh" Vermonters are now in the minority and can barely afford to live there.


Iowahawk #49 - I vote for Imam Wavygravy. It's the most diverse.

79 Model4  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 3:26:06pm

#60 RIP Ford:

The internet will be a messy place for the next year.

Probably. Actually, I'm predicting a massive case of national political burnout following the '04 election. Phase transition of 9/11 melting the electorate from where they were frozen before, and re-freezing after this election should it be decisive (I think it will be).

Actually ought to be a mild perk for productivity and general contentedness. Once the Dems go down to humiliating defeat, it would be the perfect time for them to wander the wilderness and reform themselves as a pro-America party. Heaven help them if they follow their instincts and continue as they have been through '08. It could well get them down to 40 seats in the Senate, and put the future of the party in jeapordy.

80 ethos  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 3:29:19pm

re: #72 comment. That was beautiful.

81 TAS  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 3:30:37pm

No 69 Said :

"I think Dean spoke fairly well. Bush wouldn't have held out so well in such a setting."

Bush would do fine in a comparable setting. A comparable setting for Bush would be VMI, The Citadel, West Point, etc.

..............

Not mentioned yet on this thread were Deans comments re: unions and "right to work" states

DEAN: I hate right-to-work laws.
And let me tell you why it’s OK to be forced to join a union. The union is out there negotiating for your wage increases. Why should you get a free ride? Why should you should be able to go to work for that company, get the same benefits as everybody else who paid their union dues and you paid nothing? That’s why I’m against right-to-work laws.
MATTHEWS: OK.
DEAN: But I do believe it’s important for states to be able to make their own laws.
MATTHEWS: You understand why a libertarian would disagree with you, right? A libertarian would think they had a right, he or she, to work where they can do the job.
DEAN: Yes, but why should they-but why should they get the benefits of everybody else who is paying dues and get a free ride?

MATTHEWS: Because it’s a free country.

82 Ed Moran:Abu Dr. Gordo  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 3:36:21pm

Did Dean get his doctorate from the same fine institution of higher learning that the curator of the Alexandria library did?

83 gb  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 3:50:16pm

"We need to use that leverage with the Soviet Union and it may require us to buying the equipment the Soviet Union was ultimately going to sell to Iran to prevent Iran from them developing nuclear weapons."

We need to use that leverage with the crack dealers and it may require us to buying the crack the crack dealers was ultimately going to sell to the junkies to prevent the junkies from them stealing to support their habbit.

Yep, that'll work. You bet.

84 reaganite  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 4:13:48pm

My Bush hating brothers (who claim Bush is stupid and a liar) say this, the Soviet Union part, was just a slip of the tongue... Funny how my youngest brother was on the Berlin wall when it came down, he at least should know better. (I have a picture of him drinking champaign with an East German border guard) Neither of them, of course, liked it when I pointed out Dean is a moonbat.

85 steve miller abu ron ron ron abu ron ron  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 4:24:09pm

#72 I *do not* disagree with NPR's allowing Soros to respond. I ***DO*** disagree that they let him give a campaign ad. They appeared not to have exercised editorial control over this.

I might just misunderstand the purpose of a reply. But perhaps NPR should have said, "Sorry, George S., but when we said 'reply,' we didn't mean 'say the same thing again you said before.'"

86 Birdgunner  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 4:32:37pm

Once is a slip of the tongue; I'll even cut him slack for twice. After all, the Sovs were around for 70 years. But four times in one sentence?

What is he, some kind of...(reverent pause)...

...MORON?

87 Julio Jurenito  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 4:33:02pm

I looked at this Yahoo slide show and discovered that "Six months after Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites) signed on to the U.S.-backed 'road map' peace plan, which calls on Israel to dismantle scores of the hilltop outposts, little action has been taken to fulfill the plan, according to many estimates" - so that's what led to road maps demise.

Also, "renewed military operations in which several Palestinians were killed Monday could torpedo attempts by the Palestinian Authority (news - web sites) to persuade militants to halt attacks on Israelis".

Those Jews, they just don't know what's good for them...

88 Julio Jurenito  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 4:34:52pm

re # 87 = belongs in a different thread.

89 PB  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 4:35:58pm

[Link: dean2004.blogspot.com...]

Hey, Dean-downed supporters think he did GREAT.

90 PB  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 4:43:08pm

19

THe smoke and mirrors are the POT smoke and the COKE mirrors.

Had to correct you AND explain the Dean support.

91 Sergio  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 4:45:22pm

Chris Matthews let it go because Chris Matthews thinks the Soviet Union is still around too.

That is beacuse both Dean and Matthews are still LIVING IN 1972.


Vote Eugene McDean.

92 steve miller  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 5:02:30pm

"Eugene McDean" -- I **LIKE** it!

93 andthenblammo!  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 5:20:16pm

91 Sergio:

"Eugene McDean"! That's a keeper!

94 Korora  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 5:29:21pm

Is this the interview where Dean says he plans to dissolve FOX news?

95 Joanne Jacobs  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 5:40:25pm

Dr. Strangedove.

96 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 5:55:00pm

#95 - now that's funny. Scary but true.

Dean wants to get Presidential records that Bush is keeping secret out of national security concerns over 9/11. At least that's how the Deanoids have been spinning Dean's comments.

Of course, this too is easily refuted as the President agreed to a framework so that the records could be reviewed by the 9/11 Commission to go over how to improve the intel community and figure out what people knew and when they knew it.

As for why Dean has secret records as Vermont Governor, could it be that Ben and Jerry hid their secret recipes in Dean's files figuring that he'd never get elected and that no one would notice?

Matthews could have let the SU comment ride simply because he repeated it quite often and was digging his own grave on that - no further assistance necessary. Elsewhere Matthews did add lighter fluid on the media questions and on Iraq (although I think it was Nye who posed/came back to the questions).

#47 - yes, this interview does include Dean commenting on one of the loony toons theories that are frequented by DU and others - that Bush knew 9/11 was coming, that he was in cahoots with the Saudis, etc.

What Dean should have said is that there is absolutely no reason to further such conspiracies - there were breakdowns in national security that are fundamental in nature, that go beyond any one particular administration, and that must be fixed. DHS isn't the solution, it's now part of the problem and was since its inception.

Of course, that's what a rational Democrat who actually cares about national security would have said. So, instead, Dean repeated canards and loony toons and got applause for restating them.

97 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 6:13:38pm

It's easy to see why Dean is the Dem front-runner: Republicans are backing him.

As a die-hard yellow-dog Truman/Rayburn/Scoop Jackson Democrat of the Zell Miller school, I am not sure whether to laugh or cry at the spectacle that is now unfolding.
One part of me wants to wrest control of the Party from the LLL fruitbats in time to put up a winning ticket next year.
Unfortunately, I have no idea who that might be.
Wes Clark has good credentials but he is soft on Saudi Arabia, too close to the Clintons, and has some serious skeletons in his closet.
The rest are varying shades of McGovernism, some worse than others.
The other part of me wants the LLL to go down in flames so hot and so bright that only Greens and Socialists will want to pick through the charred bones.
If I had a couple of hundred million lying around, I would run myself or try to persuade John McCain to switch parties, one about as likely as the other.

98 ethos  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 6:24:48pm

McCain ***cough* that wonderful guy who brought us "campaign finance reform" AKA the legislation that helped billionaire uber-libs filter money to uber-lib causes (Soros style) and also chip away just a little more at free speech?

McCain should switch parties. and change panties...cuz he stinks.

99 Golden Boy  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 6:27:52pm

It scares me when people say the Democrats dont stand a chance in 2004. Think about it, is Dean really any more of a nutjob than Gore, the dude who actually received more votes than Bush?
I dunno about you guys but Ill be working overtime for Bush in '04. The fate of civilization may literally be hanging in the balance.

100 David B.  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 6:28:12pm

Give the man a little leeway. Ok, so the media isn't yelling at the top of their lungs. That's not his fault, we know what he meant, and he gives the same speech 100 times a day. 1/100 isn't that bad for messups, and he was under pressure. Yes, the fact that he didn't really have an opinion on the obscure issue of the World Court and bin Laden really means that mainstream America will reject him...right.

101 lafontaine  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 6:28:38pm

A couple of years ago four Rwandan Huttus were tried in Belgium. Each was responsible for the slaughter of more than 5.000 Tutsis. All were found guilty and each was given a 12 year prison sentence. Let's say Osama or Al Zawahiri or anyone else if captured or gives himself up in Europe, is tried and given 12 years. Besides, in most cases it would be a difficult trial because the Europeans wouldn't, for instance, allow evidence "illegally" collected (say, by the CIA or FBI) to be used in court. What if the US asks for their deportation and the Europeans either refuse it or ask from the US guarantees that "illegal evidence" won't be used in the trials nor, if any of them's found guilty, will he face capital punishment? Would, in such a case, any American administration agree with this? If not, how far would it go to get and punish the guys?

102 Julesk  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 6:29:36pm

Now, if Zell Miller were to run for President, I'd feel more comfortable with the idea of a Democrat win in '04. He would have to run as himself, however--not the sort of travesty Gore's team forced Lieberman to go through last time.

103 William  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 6:50:26pm

Howard Dean literally imploded on Meet The Press last June:


NBC News - Meet The Press
June 22, 2003

GUEST: Former Governor HOWARD DEAN, (D-Vt.) Presidential Contender
MODERATOR/PANELIST: Tim Russert - NBC News

Russert: Let's turn to the campaign. This is what you said last month about the Bush tax cut and I'll show you and our viewers. "It has become clear what this president is attempting to do and why we must repeal the entire package of tax cuts." The Department of Treasury, we consulted and asked them: What effect would that have across America? And this is what they said. A married couple with two children making $40,000 a year, under the Bush plan, would pay $45 in taxes. Repealing them, under the Dean plan, if you will, would pay $1,978, a tax increase of over 4,000 percent. A married couple over 65 making $40,000 and claiming their Social Security, under Bush would pay $675 in taxes. You're suggesting close to $1,400, a 107 percent tax increase. Can you honestly go across the country and say, "I'm going to raise your taxes 4,000 percent or 107 percent," and be elected?

Dean: Well, first of all, were those figures from the Treasury Department, did you say, or CBO?

Russert: Treasury Department.

Dean: I don't believe them.

...

Russert: Let's talk about the military budget. How many men and women would you have on active duty?

Dean: I can't answer that question. And I don't know what the answer is.

Russert: But how many troops -- how many men and women do we now have on active duty?

Dean: I can't tell you the answer to that either. It's...

Russert: But as commander in chief, you should now that.

...

Russert: Let me turn to a Boston Globe article about the military service during the Vietnam War as it applies to you and I'll put it on the screen. "Dean did not serve in the military during the Vietnam War because he received a medical deferment for an unfused vertebra in his back. Several articles in the last year have noted that after his deferment, Dean spent 80 days skiing in Aspen, Colorado." And then The Aspen Times wrote this profile. "In Howard Dean, we could have a president who spent the winter of 1971-72...pounding bumps on Aspen Mountain. 'I paid $250 for a ski pass and skied 80 days on Ajax. It was the greatest mountain. ... I went to work pouring concrete for a small company.' " Why were you able to ski on Ajax Mountain, pounding your back, and pouring concrete, and not serve in the military?

...

Russert: Let me turn to Iraq, and this is what you said in April. "We've gotten rid of [Saddam Hussein], and I suppose that's a good thing." "Suppose"?

Dean: Here's the problem. We don't know whether in the long run the Iraqi people are better off, and the most important thing is we don't know whether we're better off. This president told us that we were going to go into Iraq because they might have-they had atomic weapons. That turned out not to be so. The secretary of Defense told us that he knew where there were weapons of mass destruction around Tikrit and around Baghdad. We've been in control of Iraq for 50 days. We haven't been able to find any such thing.

Russert: But you also said...

Dean: So...

Russert: ...and I'll show it to you. You said in January, Governor, "I would be surprised if [Saddam Hussein] didn't have chemicals and biological weapons."

Dean: Oh, well, I tend to believe the president. I think most Americans tends to believe the president.

[Link: www.msnbc.com...]
(link now expired)

104 Model4  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 7:02:35pm

#99 Golden Boy: Good points, I don't think the election can be sloughed off. Never know what the future holds, but things look promising. And remember, Gore was far better known than Dean is, and was in a superficially successful administration in times of relative peace and prosperity. And though a nutjob, he didn't come across like one as obviously as Dean does.

#100 David B. : It's not that he didn't have an opinion, it's that he didn't have a preference. But if you really believe that the electorate would be happy with him saying he doesn't care if OBL is tried outside of US jurisdiction and guaranteed not to face the death penalty, let me know.

That's about as precious as Kerry's "I'm opposed to the death penalty, because life in prison is a harsher punishment. Except that I do favor the death penalty for terrorists."

105 Skookumchuk  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 8:29:53pm
106 Yehudit  Tue, Dec 2, 2003 10:00:55pm
107 V the K  Wed, Dec 3, 2003 2:26:38am

Usually, the Deanbots turn out in force to defend the Mad Doctor whenever he is criticized in this forum. Alas, only one turned out for this thread... and not until after 99 other posts... and with a pretty faint defense at that.

108 V the K  Wed, Dec 3, 2003 2:39:18am

Having said that, let me ask the Deanbot a question. Is Dean proposing that we simply "buy off" those who threaten our interests? Is that really a good idea? Suppose we did buy nuclear material from Russia or North Korea, what's to stop them from selling to Iran as well?

Even if you correct for the gaffe, Dean's remarks show a real naivete about the threats to our security and an ignorance about basic economics. If you pay people to be a threat to America, you encourage more people to be a threat to America. Also, buying off nuclear materials doesn't discourage anyone from selling it to rogue states, it only gives them an opportunity to double their sales.

Naive. Ignorant. Dean.

109 steve miller  Wed, Dec 3, 2003 3:24:16am

Let's see - George W. Bush pronounces 'nuclear' the same way as the Blessed Saint Jimmah of the Consistatory of the Splodeydopes, and George is a "hick" and an "idiot."

Eugene McDean forgets that the Soviet Union was dismembered by Ronnie and George H.W. Bush, and it's a slight mistake.

I imagine Eugene McDean is pretty upset every January when all those Christmas cards he writes are returned stamped as "Moved-no forwarding address" or "Deceased-return to sender."

Must be nice to be Eugene McDean - every day, he meets new friends...

110 J.D.  Wed, Dec 3, 2003 3:30:37am

#100 DavidB

Yes, the fact that he didn't really have an opinion on the obscure issue of the World Court and bin Laden really means that mainstream America will reject him...right.

Only to a LLL would that be an 'obscure issue'.

111 V the K  Wed, Dec 3, 2003 4:29:50am

J.D. He may be right about that point. The average democrat voter is either a senile social security recipient who thinks she's voting for FDR, a welfare recipient who thinks the World Court is the show that comes on between 'Judge Joe Brown' and 'Divorce Court,' or a stoned-out hippie-dippie activist who thinks all OBL needs is to get laid/stoned/hugged and he'd be all right.

Issues ... and even the correct spelling ... of national sovereignty are well beyond the grasp of 80-90% of the democrat voting bloc.

112 V the K  Wed, Dec 3, 2003 4:36:41am
113 johnCV  Wed, Dec 3, 2003 4:59:42am

Angry and Stupid ......That's no way to go through life.

114 Geepers  Wed, Dec 3, 2003 5:02:07am

V the K (#112),

From your link:

"Those of us who seek the Democratic presidential nomination owe the American people more than just criticism of the Bush foreign policy or anger or piecemeal solutions," Kerry said in excerpts of his address released by the campaign. "We need to convince them that Democrats are responsible stewards of our national security and America's role in the world."

That's telling. Kerry is recognizing that there is a belief that Democrats are not responsible stewards of our national security.

And the same article explains why:

Kerry's campaign manager, Mary Beth Cahill, touted his foreign policy pitch in a fund-raising letter to supporters. She said he would "immediately declare the Bush policy of unilateralism over"

Now just exactly how am I to believe that you are looking out for our national security, when you say that you will "immediately" turn decisions about said security over to other nations?

Kerry is all hat and no cattle.

115 Geepers  Wed, Dec 3, 2003 5:08:09am

V the K,

About your son, how do we know he's only 12? Maybe you're like those Little League parent who forge their kids birth certificates. ;-)

He said some pretty funny things. Let him post more often.


johnCV (#113),

LOL.

116 V the K  Wed, Dec 3, 2003 5:16:55am
About your son, how do we know he's only 12? Maybe you're like those Little League parent who forge their kids birth certificates. ;-)

Due to the vagaries of single parent adoption law, my other son's birth certificate is blank where the mother's name should be. We have discussed filling it in with "Pamela Anderson."


Angry and Stupid ......That's no way to go through life.

Imagine "Angry and Stupid" as a way to govern.

117 Tim  Wed, Dec 3, 2003 5:34:21am

Remember how the press beat up on Bush when he couldn't name the leaders of, like, Buttcrackistan, and East Boogerglob?

Can you imagine the hay that would have been made had a REPUBLICAN started throwing around "Soviet Union."

118 V the K  Wed, Dec 3, 2003 5:37:24am

Geepers, Check It, MSNBC seems to out-captioned me. (Scroll to the end of the article.)

119 Geepers  Wed, Dec 3, 2003 5:49:04am

V the K (#116),

Imagine "Angry and Stupid" as a way to govern.

Sure. Get pissed off and do something stupid? No problems. Seal the documents away so nobody knows about it.

I'm curious to see how he'll react to his boast of unsealing his records if Bush does.

Stupid doesn't begin to describe him.

120 Mary  Wed, Dec 3, 2003 5:49:34am

If the Dems keep Terry McAuliffe as head of DNC and nominate Howard Dean - 'tis Bush/Cheney for four more.

Howard Dean is on the verge of a nervous breakdown. The anger in his body has no limit. Imagine the presidential debate between Bush and Dean - remember the look W shot Al Gore for physically getting in his debate space...I say fasten your seatbelt, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

121 ethos  Wed, Dec 3, 2003 5:54:02am

a word on campaign finance.

[Link: www.rockymountainnews.com...]

122 Geepers  Wed, Dec 3, 2003 5:55:03am

V the K (#118),

That' hysterical.

123 Thom  Wed, Dec 3, 2003 6:00:06am

#119 Geepers

I was watching MSNBC and they were talking about exactly that: now that he knows that Bush's records were never sealed in the first place, will Dean honor his pledge and unseal his records?

This story ain't going away, thank goodness.

(And Terry McAuliffe is one of the best things to happen to the Republican party ever.)

124 V the K  Wed, Dec 3, 2003 6:24:17am
Howard Dean is on the verge of a nervous breakdown. The anger in his body has no limit.


I don't call him 'The Mad Doctor' for nuthin'

Here's a scenario. After clinching the nomination, Dean has a complete meltdown (say mid-September). Say, for example, in the middle of a facial and makeover on the Today Show he suddenly rips off Katie Couric's bouse and screams "Underneath all this cucumber and mud skin clarifier, I'm still a New Soviet Man, dammit!"

And then, after two weeks of desperately trying to spin his way out, even NPR has to break down and issue its most severe criticism of Dean ever. Daniel Schorr will gravely intone, "Some have suggested that Dean's outburst may weaken his chances in the upcoming election." The DNC will arrange for Dean to resign, and his running mate... perhaps a certain junior senator from New York... will take his place.

125 papertiger  Wed, Dec 3, 2003 7:15:09am

Dean's records are sealed to cover up that embarassing Metrosexual orgy he had while in office.

126 J.D.  Wed, Dec 3, 2003 8:31:17am

#111 V the K

He may be right about that point. The average democrat voter...

But there are those who understand the International Criminal Court (like my mother who is a SS recipient BUT also has a son who left the military during the Clinton years AND is now full-time National Guard). She is a Republican at heart but is stuck in the Democratic party only because it's where she was when my (late) father was designing water treatment systems for eastern Kentucky during the Kennedy/Johnson years. You had to be a Democrat at that time when that was your occupation. Older Democratic voters CAN BE swayed when national security is at stake. Here in my state, the majority is registered Democrat BUT they vote Republican particularly in Federal elections. All but one of our Senators and Representatives is Republican and we just elected a Republican governor.

And Dean's not going to hold up well in a debate, IMO.

127 J.D.  Wed, Dec 3, 2003 9:30:50am

Another factor is that you must vote for a candidate within your party in the primary and, in order to have a voice in state elections (which were historically won by Democrats), you had to be a registered Democrat. Though it may well be that few seniors will change their party affiliation, they tend to vote for Republicans in Federal elections more and more as time goes on.

128 Jack Frost  Thu, Dec 4, 2003 6:46:49pm

I thought the soviet union thing was pretty alarming. And Chris Matthews!? Why didn't he interject?? And I was surprised that Fox news pundits let him slide on it as well. Its a major mistake- it shows loose knowledge on history-recent history.

About the Hague trying osama- I dont really care either. I mean the death penalty is an american phenomena and in any other countries that support it are usually dictorships.


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